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:00:00. > :00:07.The Assembly election was all about RHI and Arlene Foster

:00:08. > :00:09.according to Sinn Fein - but what about this time?

:00:10. > :00:11.On The View tonight, I'll be asking Michelle O'Neill

:00:12. > :00:15.if a vote for her party is a poke in the eye for Brexit -

:00:16. > :00:41.and a warm embrace for an Irish Language Act?

:00:42. > :00:43.It's four weeks today until the election and we now know

:00:44. > :00:45.109 candidates will fight it out for our 18

:00:46. > :00:48.Westminster seats - even if some of those candidates

:00:49. > :00:50.have no intention of taking their places on the House

:00:51. > :00:58.Tonight I'll be asking Michelle O'Neill how she intends

:00:59. > :01:00.to fight London's Brexit plans - and what a mandate for

:01:01. > :01:04.The EU's chief negotiator, Michel Barnier, tells TDs

:01:05. > :01:07.and Senators in Dublin that he wants to avoid a hard border -

:01:08. > :01:11.but offers no guarantees on customs controls.

:01:12. > :01:14.I'll be asking the Fine Gael MEP, Brian Hayes, if what he heard today

:01:15. > :01:23.Mr Hayes joins me from county Wicklow.

:01:24. > :01:26.And with me in the studio, the DUP MEP, Diane Dodds,

:01:27. > :01:30.And ten years on from the historic Paisley-McGuinness devolution day,

:01:31. > :01:36.do recent events demonstrate a failure of leadership?

:01:37. > :01:41.There was an imperative for everybody to get this to work, to

:01:42. > :01:44.ensure peace. I do not think that same imperative is there.

:01:45. > :01:51.Newton Emerson and Deirdre Heenan...

:01:52. > :01:57.Tonight - Michelle O'Neill says she has no problem with legislation

:01:58. > :01:58.to protect Ulster-Scots or British culture, but insists

:01:59. > :02:01.there will have to be an Irish Language Act.

:02:02. > :02:03.Sinn Fein's Stormont leader also says MPs from Northern Ireland

:02:04. > :02:07.who took their seats at Westminster in the past had no influence.

:02:08. > :02:09.When she joined me in the studio earlier this evening,

:02:10. > :02:20.I asked her what this election is about for Sinn Fein...

:02:21. > :02:26.They are taking their lobbying directly to Brussels. The crucial

:02:27. > :02:32.issue of Brexit will be dealt with the kingmakers, it will be the EU

:02:33. > :02:35.member states, 27 member states, we cannot go over and wait for Theresa

:02:36. > :02:39.May to bend down and listen to the issues we have expressed here. She

:02:40. > :02:43.called the election because she wanted a bigger mandate to deal with

:02:44. > :02:46.the Brexit issue as she was concerned people on the opposite

:02:47. > :02:50.benches could derail the process from her point of view. She is

:02:51. > :02:54.concerned about people sitting opposite on the green benches. If

:02:55. > :02:56.you win seats you have the opportunity to be there influencing

:02:57. > :03:01.the debate and knocking her back because that is what you want. But

:03:02. > :03:05.you are not taking that opportunity. You are missing the point, all MPs

:03:06. > :03:08.who are out there have not made a difference. The Tory mandate is

:03:09. > :03:12.large and will be after the mandate. I believe the most effective way of

:03:13. > :03:18.dealing with this is to be in Europe. When attempting to put

:03:19. > :03:23.together an anti-Brexit pact failed here, Sinn Fein asked the LP to

:03:24. > :03:29.stand aside and two consistencies, was attractive about the proposal

:03:30. > :03:33.you made? I was the first leader to ask for an anti-Brexit pact, I

:03:34. > :03:38.believe in this election. We need to maximise the number of anti-Brexit

:03:39. > :03:44.MPs returning. The Alliance party, Green party and SDLP field to come

:03:45. > :03:50.up and be part of the negotiations around that. In the last week I

:03:51. > :03:54.asked the SDLP to stand aside in two constituencies, in South Tyrone and

:03:55. > :03:57.North Belfast where I believe, voters will speak for themselves and

:03:58. > :04:01.numbers speak for themselves. The only real possibility of returning

:04:02. > :04:07.an anti-bracts that candidate and pro-Brexit candidates are the Sinn

:04:08. > :04:11.Fein candidates. It does not matter if any of those pro-Brexit MPs

:04:12. > :04:14.return to Westminster because you say the debate over there does not

:04:15. > :04:19.matter, it does not really matter if Nigel Dodds returns to North Belfast

:04:20. > :04:25.or Tom Elliott returns. Tyrone, that's the logic of what you told

:04:26. > :04:30.me. I believe it is important we return, MPs getting to the bench as

:04:31. > :04:35.Westminster. I gave you a number of examples of how ineffective our MPs

:04:36. > :04:39.are, but... You think your MPs will be more affected by not turning up?

:04:40. > :04:44.They can be effective in many ways, been part of an all Ireland team but

:04:45. > :04:48.I was out in London along with an MP and we met with the Danish

:04:49. > :04:51.Ambassador, the French and Spanish. We are influencing people who will

:04:52. > :04:55.be decision-makers in relation to Brexit. That is why decisions will

:04:56. > :05:01.be taken. Not Westminster. To follow your own logic in another way, you

:05:02. > :05:04.said what you wanted to do in places like Fermanagh South and North

:05:05. > :05:08.Belfast, when you make that offer, you wanted to keep out pro-Brexit

:05:09. > :05:12.MPs, to that logic it means you should have stood aside a candidate

:05:13. > :05:18.in south Belfast which is much more wearable as a seed for the SDLP then

:05:19. > :05:22.North Belfast for Sinn Fein. If you look at the recent assembly

:05:23. > :05:27.elections, it changed the political landscapes. I don't agree it is a

:05:28. > :05:31.foregone conclusion, I believe Mairtin O'Muilleoiur is a unifying

:05:32. > :05:35.candidate. And looking at how he topped the polls in March 2017, his

:05:36. > :05:40.vote was up and that's why you think he will win the seat, the combined

:05:41. > :05:44.vote of the two DUP candidates who stood was 1400 more than Sinn Fein.

:05:45. > :05:49.Rogic is not on your side again? And again I do not agree with you --

:05:50. > :05:53.logic. It is a good thing that politics are changing here. More

:05:54. > :05:57.people are participating in democracy which is a good thing. I

:05:58. > :06:02.believe the South Belfast seat is open for grabs, and I do believe the

:06:03. > :06:05.people of south Belfast have a great candidate in Mairtin O'Muilleoiur...

:06:06. > :06:09.You are happy to run the risk and come back after the election, if

:06:10. > :06:13.Mairtin O'Muilleoiur takes votes from Alasdair McDonnell, an

:06:14. > :06:18.anti-Brexit candidate. You are happy to stand with your decision to run a

:06:19. > :06:21.candidate in Belfast if it means a pro-Brexit candidate is returned

:06:22. > :06:26.instead? You split the nationalist anti-Brexit vote, you are happy with

:06:27. > :06:30.that? Let's be clear. We are going to South Belfast to win that seat...

:06:31. > :06:35.But you might not? We may not win a number of seats be cannot go into an

:06:36. > :06:38.election on that basis. In South Belfast, with Mairtin O'Muilleoiur,

:06:39. > :06:41.I believe he is a unifying candidate... Your logic is Mairtin

:06:42. > :06:50.O'Muilleoiur is a good candidate and should run that risk in South

:06:51. > :06:54.Belfast. And you should have a free run in two of the constituencies? It

:06:55. > :07:01.is clear and the voters know it, that in Fermanagh South and North

:07:02. > :07:04.Belfast, banded Brexit candidate. And we spoke in February, you are

:07:05. > :07:14.clear, you told me, Sinn does that remain your position

:07:15. > :07:19.today? You remember at the time I told you what we were dealing with.

:07:20. > :07:21.An RHI scandal, the potential loss of millions of pounds at the heart

:07:22. > :07:25.of government. Martin McGuinness asked Arlene Foster to stand aside

:07:26. > :07:33.for an investigation and she did not do that. Is your position the same?

:07:34. > :07:37.Martin asked her to stand aside. She refused. The only way to make sure

:07:38. > :07:42.she would was for Martin to place his resignation and he did so. The

:07:43. > :07:46.investigation is ongoing. Our position remains the same. We will

:07:47. > :07:49.never get to the issue of Arlene Foster and her position to any

:07:50. > :07:53.potential executive if we do not do with these issues. If we do not work

:07:54. > :07:57.our way through and into and what is reasonable and implement what has

:07:58. > :08:01.been previously agreed. What we are asking for is people to be given

:08:02. > :08:05.their rights. It is as simple as that. We need that to form the

:08:06. > :08:09.executive. We know that in quarry looks like it could take at least

:08:10. > :08:18.one year. Some think it will take two. -- the enquiry. That could mean

:08:19. > :08:21.no Stormont institutions. They could take a long time, we do not know how

:08:22. > :08:24.long it would take that it is important to get to the bottom of

:08:25. > :08:28.these issues... However long it takes Arlene Foster will not be in

:08:29. > :08:31.the executive. Our position remains the same but we will not get to the

:08:32. > :08:35.position of foreign executive if we don't deal with those outstanding

:08:36. > :08:39.issues. Then we can look at the issue of Arlene Foster. As I speak

:08:40. > :08:43.to you... We can forget the executive? We should not talk about

:08:44. > :08:49.it as if it is a possibility let alone a probability. That is what

:08:50. > :08:52.you are telling us? I believe that politics is about hope and people in

:08:53. > :08:55.the last election ten weeks ago went and voted for their rights. They

:08:56. > :09:01.voted for respect and integrity in government. It's the rise of Arlene

:09:02. > :09:05.Foster to decide whether or not she should be First Minister of stuff

:09:06. > :09:13.onto is up and running again? I will work with Arlene Foster everyday as

:09:14. > :09:17.leader of the DUP -- Stormont. But I believe, I told you this last time I

:09:18. > :09:21.was on the programme, there are ways for the DUP, if they want to power

:09:22. > :09:24.shower and establish an executive, based on the principles of the Good

:09:25. > :09:27.Friday Agreement and deliver for the citizens as intended, we need to do

:09:28. > :09:31.that. You spoke about rights, which are

:09:32. > :09:35.very important to you and you say to your voters. The Irish language

:09:36. > :09:40.clearly is an issue that Sinn Fein and the DUP see different look. Two

:09:41. > :09:48.weeks ago, you will have seen Arlene Foster visiting an Irish language

:09:49. > :09:50.class and she met Irish language activists from Pobal and Conradh na

:09:51. > :09:54.Gaelige as well. She says she is reaching out to that

:09:55. > :09:58.community. What do you think? I welcome those visits, it should not

:09:59. > :10:03.be newsworthy she is doing it but it is important, it shows that she is

:10:04. > :10:06.reaching out. But unfortunately I think we have conflicting messages.

:10:07. > :10:10.On one hand she is meeting groups and on the other hand, we have

:10:11. > :10:17.Gregory Campbell and councillors in Belfast... She is the leader of the

:10:18. > :10:21.DUP? Yes, but she is engaging and you want to understand, that's all

:10:22. > :10:24.very positive and I welcome that... With respect to Gregory Campbell,

:10:25. > :10:31.you said there would be no Irish Language Act be said there

:10:32. > :10:37.-- he did not close the door down entirely. That strikes a chord with

:10:38. > :10:42.what Arlene Foster has said? If you look at Gregory Campbell's track

:10:43. > :10:46.record, the insoles that he continually throws at Irish language

:10:47. > :10:51.and culture... He is one person in the DUP... Not saying the same thing

:10:52. > :10:55.as Arlene Foster? It's important that you distance yourself from

:10:56. > :10:59.unhelpful comments. If Arlene Foster is genuine and serious, we need more

:11:00. > :11:04.than fluffy words. We need action. If Arlene Foster agree to an Irish

:11:05. > :11:08.Language Act, would you agree to protect Ulster Scots and Orange

:11:09. > :11:11.culture? That would respect the rights of a different part of the

:11:12. > :11:15.community? I'm all about equality and affording people their rights.

:11:16. > :11:24.That's what a good government should be about. I'm very open... You are

:11:25. > :11:27.happy to tie this things together? It belongs to everybody, let's

:11:28. > :11:30.respect everyone's right. We cannot have ministers taking bigoted and

:11:31. > :11:34.sectarian decisions against one section and the next.

:11:35. > :11:37.I am quite open and for doing something in relation to Ulster

:11:38. > :11:47.Scots if there is the demand. I've said from day one. But appearing as

:11:48. > :11:50.you did recently in Loughgall to commemorate what happened there 30

:11:51. > :11:53.years ago when members of the IRA went to kill police officers and

:11:54. > :11:56.they themselves were killed on that occasion, when you stand on a

:11:57. > :12:00.platform and say you are proud of those people and what they set out

:12:01. > :12:03.to do, that does not help people believe you when you say that you

:12:04. > :12:07.are interested in the rights of everyone, can you see that?

:12:08. > :12:11.Everybody has the right to remember the dead. I think it is important to

:12:12. > :12:16.respect that. Do you have to remember the dead in such a public

:12:17. > :12:19.wake and a provocative way, as the victims of IRA violence? Everybody

:12:20. > :12:24.has a right to remember their dead. Nobody is dispute it is how you do

:12:25. > :12:30.it... We respect each other's right to remember you're dead.

:12:31. > :12:35.That is through proper reconciliation, people died in the

:12:36. > :12:42.conflict. One mother 's grief and pain is no more or less than others.

:12:43. > :12:45.It's not something new I have taken up, or something that Martin

:12:46. > :12:50.McGuinness shied away from. It's part of who we are. What is your

:12:51. > :12:56.message to those women sitting there who lost husbands, sons and brothers

:12:57. > :13:03.over the last 40 years... I regret every loss of life, I regret that

:13:04. > :13:06.mothers have lost their son and daughter, mother and father, it is

:13:07. > :13:10.important we respect people have a right remember the dead. It does not

:13:11. > :13:15.matter who you are. If we respect that difference, that is how we can

:13:16. > :13:17.reconcile as a society... You are in a position of leadership and

:13:18. > :13:25.influence where you to take on board how it is viewed across society. And

:13:26. > :13:29.perhaps alter the way in which you commemorate those people, not stop

:13:30. > :13:33.commemorating them but changing the way in which you do that? I think it

:13:34. > :13:38.is important we respect that we all do things differently and remember

:13:39. > :13:42.different. If I go to a commemoration it is respectful and

:13:43. > :13:47.dignified. As a political leader, I will not be shy averaging out and I

:13:48. > :13:53.will make sure I understand that everybody has had and pain. I'm

:13:54. > :13:57.happy to do that but as I said, it's my job to make sure it never happens

:13:58. > :14:02.again. Now, Brexit, a key part of the election. You were in Dublin

:14:03. > :14:05.today and met the EU's chief negotiator Michel Barnier, did you

:14:06. > :14:09.hear anything from him that gave you cause for optimism as to what lies

:14:10. > :14:13.ahead for those in Northern Ireland? Yes, it was great to see him in

:14:14. > :14:19.Dublin today, I could speak to him after. It was really important,

:14:20. > :14:22.important that we impress on other EU leaders, they will be the

:14:23. > :14:27.kingmakers in relation to Brexit and the terms of Brexit. It's important

:14:28. > :14:34.we influence those people. He is a clear understanding of a bus needing

:14:35. > :14:38.special recognition -- he has a clear understanding of us. If you

:14:39. > :14:46.look to other examples, like Denmark and Greenland, you can appoint where

:14:47. > :14:51.we have been flexible, and we've been able to see other examples...

:14:52. > :14:53.You said that you do not want a boarder at all on the island of

:14:54. > :14:59.Ireland, he said that there would have to be some sort of customs

:15:00. > :15:04.control set up by the EU rather than the UK but they will be there.

:15:05. > :15:07.Whether you like it or not there will be a boarder? I'm absolutely

:15:08. > :15:12.opposed to any sort of border on the island, that is a retrograde step...

:15:13. > :15:16.But I do believe that the reason that we are in this scenario is

:15:17. > :15:18.because the British public are only interest in themselves. The Tory

:15:19. > :15:24.governor do not care what happens here. -- government. I think the

:15:25. > :15:28.factories and they called this election at a moment in time where

:15:29. > :15:34.we were building up some steam in the talks process shows blatant

:15:35. > :15:38.disregard. The influence we need to bring to bear is in Europe, Brussels

:15:39. > :15:41.and where other EU member states are.

:15:42. > :15:51.We know that after the election, we have been told by the Secretary of

:15:52. > :15:53.State, renewed talks to try to get the devolved institutions again,

:15:54. > :16:01.what are people going to the voting for? Then mandate to go back into

:16:02. > :16:07.government that Stormont, or not? Always to go back into government.

:16:08. > :16:14.This, it marks ten years since Martin McGuinness and Ian Paisley

:16:15. > :16:21.had been power sharing again. It has to work as intended. I want to get

:16:22. > :16:23.back to the executive. We are contending with conservative cuts,

:16:24. > :16:29.people robbing the health service. It is important. I believe that

:16:30. > :16:35.people want the executive to work, but we have got to deliver rights.

:16:36. > :16:44.It has got to work on an equal basis. What is the seat target? You

:16:45. > :16:49.had four. How many would you regard as a success on June nine? I am not

:16:50. > :16:57.going to get you a number, but we are looking to maintain the four,

:16:58. > :17:05.and we have targeted constituencies. I want to maximise the anti Brexit

:17:06. > :17:10.candidates. You have got to come back with more than four. People

:17:11. > :17:15.should come out in the selection, and make voices heard, against

:17:16. > :17:22.conservative austerity, and the position, ignoring the will of the

:17:23. > :17:27.people. And next week, I am going to be talking to the DUP leader Arlene

:17:28. > :17:28.Foster. Now as Ms O'Neill mentioned,

:17:29. > :17:31.the EU's chief Brexit negotiator, Michel Barnier, was in Dublin

:17:32. > :17:33.where he addressed both houses While Monsieur Barnier

:17:34. > :17:37.said he wanted to work to prevent a hard border here,

:17:38. > :17:39.he acknowledged that customs controls are part

:17:40. > :17:41.of EU border management. Tomorrow he'll visit

:17:42. > :17:43.a food processing business Joining me now from Wicklow

:17:44. > :17:47.is the Fine Gael MEP Brian Hayes and in the studio,

:17:48. > :17:59.the DUP MEP Diane Dodds... Welcome. Republic economy,

:18:00. > :18:05.particularly vulnerable to any new regulatory barriers with the native

:18:06. > :18:11.kingdom that could arise as a result of Brexit. Have you gotten off from

:18:12. > :18:16.Michel Barnier to calm nerves? I think it was positive speech,

:18:17. > :18:22.reflecting the work of the Irish government across all of the EU

:18:23. > :18:24.institutions, making sure that going into these negotiations the

:18:25. > :18:31.guidelines are going to be clearer, in terms of highlighting the

:18:32. > :18:35.problems for Ireland. North and south, the importance of the Good

:18:36. > :18:41.Friday agreement, and the importance of the free movement of people and

:18:42. > :18:48.goods across the border. He has been aware of that. The former budget

:18:49. > :18:51.commissioner, responsible for peace funding in Northern Ireland, and he

:18:52. > :18:57.knows Ireland, north and south, and once we get through this collection

:18:58. > :19:05.we want to see if we can get the Stormont executive running again and

:19:06. > :19:09.get some great possessions. The north in the south, east west.

:19:10. > :19:12.Across the sea. Making sure that we have got an agreed approach. If that

:19:13. > :19:18.came from the island of Ireland, north south, the European

:19:19. > :19:21.institutions and Michel Barnier especially would be looking at that

:19:22. > :19:28.differently. It is an important responsibility to get this working

:19:29. > :19:35.again, after the British elections so that the parties can come to some

:19:36. > :19:41.agreement, going forward. So much to lose, north south, but I was

:19:42. > :19:48.delighted to see Arlene Foster said that she wants to have the softest

:19:49. > :19:51.possible Brexit. She is from the border community and knows the

:19:52. > :19:57.importance of the free movement of people. We can work together to make

:19:58. > :20:00.sure that at the end of this process, Brexit does not cause the

:20:01. > :20:09.difficulties some people have suggested. And we have heard

:20:10. > :20:21.Michelle making the point, that she does not want any sort of Brexit,

:20:22. > :20:25.border? Cuckoo land? We were walking across the border north south, south

:20:26. > :20:30.north, since the Good Friday agreement and the peace process,

:20:31. > :20:34.that region has flourished, in terms of the number of people employed and

:20:35. > :20:37.the private sector economy. It is really important from all

:20:38. > :20:44.perspectives that we do not have customs posts, revenue officials,

:20:45. > :20:49.that we actually have this freestanding border. Soul that

:20:50. > :20:55.people can move on both sides. That is important south of the border,

:20:56. > :20:59.and north. I think we can achieve that but the crucial thing, the

:21:00. > :21:04.absolute responsibility on the parties in Northern Ireland to work

:21:05. > :21:09.with the government and colleagues in London to get solutions. The

:21:10. > :21:14.Europeans are looking for solutions. Michel Barnier emphasised, going to

:21:15. > :21:23.have to be some form of customs controls, between Northern Ireland

:21:24. > :21:28.and Europe, after Brexit. It well have consequences. What do you make

:21:29. > :21:35.of that? I thought the speech from Michel Barnier was very typical of

:21:36. > :21:41.the man, he has spent his life promoting Federalist, European Union

:21:42. > :21:45.integration. I am not surprised that he stole the virtues of the EU in

:21:46. > :21:55.Dublin. But it was a very pragmatic speech. In Brussels, London, Dublin,

:21:56. > :22:03.and from the DUP, nobody wants a hard border. We want cooperation,

:22:04. > :22:12.treat, we want the effective use of where we are now. You have said you

:22:13. > :22:19.do not want the hard border. He said there will be consequences. Do you

:22:20. > :22:23.accept that? Yes. And he also said that he had desires to negotiate an

:22:24. > :22:34.ambitious trade agreement. Remember, it is in the EU's interests,

:22:35. > :22:41.Brian's, beef farmers, dairy, two actually have that free trade with

:22:42. > :22:48.the Great Britain market. 60% of Irish beef goes to market in GB.

:22:49. > :22:54.Northern Ireland, and the importance of the British market, I have been

:22:55. > :22:59.at Balmoral this week, spending my last few days there. Many food

:23:00. > :23:06.processors have said we have to concentrate on the market, grow

:23:07. > :23:11.markets, and have a free trade agreement, axis. You think you can

:23:12. > :23:16.have the best of both worlds. Many people have said we can manage the

:23:17. > :23:24.challenges, maximise opportunities that Brexit brings. You do not want

:23:25. > :23:29.to have your cake and eat it? You do not want to talk about potential

:23:30. > :23:32.difficulties? I think that we are starting from a good position. I

:23:33. > :23:38.have met Michel Barnier on many occasions. And in Brussels, the

:23:39. > :23:43.special considerations, the need geography, the history, it is well

:23:44. > :23:49.known. I think we can work together with those in Dublin. We will be

:23:50. > :23:55.with London, to actually do that. And the one thing that I absolutely

:23:56. > :23:59.agree with Brian about, the fundamental that is more sing in

:24:00. > :24:06.love this, it is devolved government in Ireland that would actually

:24:07. > :24:09.advocate for Northern Ireland. Today, at Balmoral, we're talking

:24:10. > :24:19.about the potential agricultural bill. We need a northern Ireland

:24:20. > :24:21.agricultural Minister, working. I cannot find many people who would

:24:22. > :24:28.disagree with that. And Michelle said that she wants to get back into

:24:29. > :24:41.government. You all want that, but not necessarily on how to achieve

:24:42. > :24:46.this. Do you agree, there is a way to square the circle. The special

:24:47. > :24:50.status for Northern Ireland, something that suits the European

:24:51. > :24:55.Union, Northern Ireland, and people living and working in Northern

:24:56. > :25:02.Ireland. It is the job of politicians north and south, east to

:25:03. > :25:09.west, to solve problems. We represent ordinary people in all

:25:10. > :25:13.constituencies, and the reality of Brexit was brought upon us, not by

:25:14. > :25:17.the people of Northern Ireland but British people by and large have

:25:18. > :25:22.been spot on the question. We have got to do with this. And actually

:25:23. > :25:26.solve the problem. I think we can solve those problems in a more

:25:27. > :25:34.comprehensive way, working together. North south, east west, coming up

:25:35. > :25:39.with solutions. Should we be talking about that, examining that? People

:25:40. > :25:43.have said that is the way forward? Other people, dismissive, but

:25:44. > :25:51.frankly the ball do not even agree what it is? Words on a page mean

:25:52. > :25:57.different things to different people. I am more concerned with the

:25:58. > :26:03.problems, regarding the border, hard Brexit. In terms of the divorce

:26:04. > :26:09.settlement, over the course of the next 18 months, we have a short time

:26:10. > :26:13.to do this, in terms of the European Union budget, and the liabilities

:26:14. > :26:17.themselves. It has got to be resolved. And what we need is an

:26:18. > :26:22.absolute priority, the longest possible transitional phase, so that

:26:23. > :26:29.we can say to people, virtually no change, that would help businesses,

:26:30. > :26:34.agriculture, supply, to get the best possible deal that we can. We have

:26:35. > :26:38.got to be pragmatic and realistic. I want to go back to you for one final

:26:39. > :26:43.thought. One of your colleagues is on record that he supports the

:26:44. > :26:51.special status for the island of Ireland. Agree or a lone voice?

:26:52. > :26:57.Nobody in Brussels, London, actually talking about the idea of special

:26:58. > :27:02.status, whatever that means. What we are talking about, some special

:27:03. > :27:04.considerations for the unique problems, challenges, and

:27:05. > :27:10.circumstances that Northern Ireland finds itself having. Northern

:27:11. > :27:15.Ireland will leave the European Union, with the rest of the United

:27:16. > :27:17.Kingdom and we need to go forward, getting the best deal that we can.

:27:18. > :27:20.Interesting. Thank you. This week saw the tenth

:27:21. > :27:22.anniversary of the restoration The return of the Assembly in 2007

:27:23. > :27:26.was seen by many as a high point in the Northern Ireland political

:27:27. > :27:28.process. But now we're in a halfway

:27:29. > :27:57.house between devolution Wonderful memories. The stable,

:27:58. > :28:01.shared community. Everybody was working together for the benefit of

:28:02. > :28:08.everyone in Northern Ireland. I was so happy I could play a part. We had

:28:09. > :28:18.hard work there, alongside the St Andrews talks. The images, powerful.

:28:19. > :28:24.But it was a feeling, that day, that the future was bright. All that.

:28:25. > :28:31.About time! Because all of those trips to great houses in in England,

:28:32. > :28:38.trying to agreement, the elections, people thoroughly fed up with

:28:39. > :28:46.politics by that stage. I think it was a tremendous amount of hope.

:28:47. > :28:53.People had become despondent. But to say these things resolved, and it

:28:54. > :28:58.was clear to staff the DUP and Sinn Fein had come to some agreement, the

:28:59. > :29:17.process was about getting the correct financial package.

:29:18. > :29:25.The difference between now and then, then a process was in place. But for

:29:26. > :29:34.a period of months it was obvious that we had a process, this time it

:29:35. > :29:42.is not so clear. I think that if we had even, the people I knew,

:29:43. > :29:49.including Dr Paisley and Martin McGuinness, I knew them both well...

:29:50. > :29:55.If we had people of that experience, stature, and with that tolerance, we

:29:56. > :30:02.could have got further. These two, warriors. Seen it all. And they

:30:03. > :30:06.wanted to stop seeing that. An imperative for everybody, to get

:30:07. > :30:12.this to work, to ensure peace. I do not think that seem imperative is

:30:13. > :30:13.there. The parties do not have the same means as the people who started

:30:14. > :30:16.this. Dennis Murray ending that

:30:17. > :30:18.look at how things have Right back up to date now

:30:19. > :30:30.with Professor Deirdre Heenan Just going back to that, that

:30:31. > :30:34.interview with Michelle, one thing that struck me that was potentially

:30:35. > :30:40.interesting, she said that she would back legislative protection for

:30:41. > :30:43.Ulster Scots but you had to have a language act? thought it was

:30:44. > :30:48.interesting she had no problem with that. No issues around legislative

:30:49. > :30:54.detection. Although later on, she was quite dismissive of Arlene

:30:55. > :30:58.Foster's attempts at reconciliation, I thought she was paradoxical in the

:30:59. > :31:01.sense that she said on one hand it was important to vote for Sinn Fein

:31:02. > :31:05.to ensure product that candidates did not get their seats. And on the

:31:06. > :31:13.other hand saying it does not matter as they have no power anyway.

:31:14. > :31:18.Reaching out to consolidate comments and then withdrawing it. It was all

:31:19. > :31:23.over the place. There has clearly been movement on the language, no

:31:24. > :31:28.pun intended, by the DUP and Sinn Fein, the Irish Language Act,

:31:29. > :31:34.cultural, does it stand alone? Can you combine the two? Of course, Sinn

:31:35. > :31:38.Fein said it was not a red line, they refused to say the Irish

:31:39. > :31:42.Language Act as a red line. There is plenty of scope for movement. That

:31:43. > :31:45.does not mean it will happen. If you are optimistic you would say that

:31:46. > :31:50.that may mean that devolution is more attainable than perhaps we

:31:51. > :31:54.previously thought. Then, there is the red line about Arlene Foster.

:31:55. > :32:01.That has not changed more than three months ago? I agree, there appears

:32:02. > :32:08.to be more wiggle room. But when you listen to the whole thing it was

:32:09. > :32:11.pessimistic. They were not moving around their insistence that Arlene

:32:12. > :32:15.Foster would not lead the party and government. With the election, we

:32:16. > :32:19.took the eye off the ball and it was a serviceable performance by

:32:20. > :32:25.Michelle O'Neill, juggling this and keeping it going. After all of these

:32:26. > :32:29.talks, we are in this vacuum with no original government because of

:32:30. > :32:32.respect and pride issues that really should not be blocking important

:32:33. > :32:35.decisions. I do not think it is sustainable to keep the deadlock

:32:36. > :32:39.going for much longer without it causing really serious problems. I

:32:40. > :32:43.do not think we can stay in no man's land. We are either indirect rule

:32:44. > :32:49.all we are not. We are in the process of getting more direct rule

:32:50. > :32:56.and at the same time, we need to get more executive back. The interview

:32:57. > :32:59.said we are not as this could take up to two years but there is no

:33:00. > :33:15.movement saying we will push forward with devolution. Let's talk about

:33:16. > :33:18.Michel Barnier. A mention of customs and realism perhaps with all

:33:19. > :33:23.concerned from the EU's chief negotiators. Is that how you see it?

:33:24. > :33:34.Let's not get hung up on that term special status. Europe uses the term

:33:35. > :33:37.to cover what it has to make. But whatever happens here, they will be

:33:38. > :33:42.called special status... People here do not agree on what special status

:33:43. > :33:47.means. You saw that with Diane Dodds? They disagree on whether they

:33:48. > :33:50.can use that term special status. It's a stupid argument, we have to

:33:51. > :33:54.use it. It is the content which is the issue. It was interesting that

:33:55. > :33:59.Diane referred to special status and said that there would not be special

:34:00. > :34:03.status. What is the difference? Only semantics. There needs to be a

:34:04. > :34:07.creative solution. A stand-alone act or a culture act. I thought what was

:34:08. > :34:11.interesting was that he was saying that they do not have a solution.

:34:12. > :34:16.They do not have one. Asking people to be creative and flexible, I do

:34:17. > :34:20.not agree with Brian Hayes all, they have not been adapted in the past at

:34:21. > :34:25.all. It's up to society in the broader sense to say that they are

:34:26. > :34:29.removing Brexit, how can we make it work? And Charlie Flanagan, the

:34:30. > :34:34.Republic's Foreign Minister saying to the BBC on HardTalk an open

:34:35. > :34:40.border is a must in all circumstances? Customs can mean many

:34:41. > :34:45.different things, the idea that the peace process would disrupt that is

:34:46. > :34:47.observed. Thank you to both of you. -- absurd.

:34:48. > :34:49.That's it from The View for this week.

:34:50. > :34:51.Join me for Sunday Politics at 11.35 here on BBC1.

:34:52. > :34:54.One of the stories of the week was the photograph of the former

:34:55. > :34:56.Ulster Unionist leader, Mike Nesbitt, lying prone

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