:00:28. > :00:31.edition of The View live from the UK Foyle flowing behind me, the Peace
:00:31. > :00:34.Bridge opening up new parts of the city and the refurbished Guildhall
:00:34. > :00:37.recently reopened. Londonderry has never looked better. And with the
:00:37. > :00:44.city half-way through its year as UK City of Culture, we'll hear from the
:00:44. > :00:47.Deputy First Minister who was born and bred here. We'll also be asking
:00:47. > :00:55.if Derry's year in the spotlight is making a difference right down to
:00:55. > :01:01.community level? A good buzz, a good sense of occasion and things
:01:01. > :01:04.happening. Celebratory. And I think that impacts across the city,
:01:04. > :01:08.including the waterside. I'll be getting an assessment of the first
:01:08. > :01:10.six months and asking what the legacy of the project is likely to
:01:10. > :01:14.be. Plus, the reflections of our commentators, Bogside boy Paul
:01:14. > :01:24.McFadden and Banbridge blow-in, Deirdre Heenan. And you can, of
:01:24. > :01:26.
:01:26. > :01:30.course, follow the programme on Twitter. That's @BBCtheview.
:01:30. > :01:36.Welcome to the heart of the city of Derry, a place that's very much in
:01:36. > :01:39.the spotlight this year as the first UK City of Culture. As the project
:01:39. > :01:43.reaches its half-way point, we thought we would take The View out
:01:43. > :01:47.on the road to get a sense of the mood in the city. Later we'll hear a
:01:47. > :01:51.range of views on the impact City of Culture has had so far, but first
:01:51. > :01:53.let's hear from one man who knows this city as well as anybody. The
:01:54. > :01:57.Deputy First Minister, Martin McGuinness, was brought up less than
:01:57. > :02:07.a mile from where we are tonight and he's with me now. Good evening to
:02:07. > :02:10.you. Welcome home, Mark.The place is looking very well. What are your
:02:11. > :02:13.thoughts on the City of Culture so far? I think it has been a
:02:14. > :02:17.spectacular six months. My thoughts go back to being part of the
:02:17. > :02:19.delegation that went to Liverpool to make the case for this and try to
:02:20. > :02:25.seize this wonderful opportunity which really came about because this
:02:25. > :02:27.city united in a way like we have never seen before. All of the
:02:27. > :02:30.political parties, the churches, the community and voluntary sector,
:02:30. > :02:33.everybody recognised this was a golden opportunity to move this city
:02:33. > :02:43.forward and I think that we have been vindicated in the efficient
:02:43. > :02:48.that we have made. Do you have a personal highlight so far? There are
:02:48. > :02:51.so many highlights. I think that the Clipper Race last year was a real
:02:51. > :02:55.highlight. It wasn't part of the City of Culture, but it was a taste
:02:55. > :02:58.of what was to come. We have seen this year with the Sons and
:02:58. > :03:08.Daughters Concert which was a huge success, the BBC Radio 1 Big
:03:08. > :03:18.Weekend. I have talked about that a couple of times over the last couple
:03:18. > :03:21.
:03:21. > :03:23.of weeks. We had a situation where 40,000 and 50,000 of our young
:03:23. > :03:27.people of all religions came together and had a spectacular
:03:27. > :03:30.weekend together and when I think of that and I think of Hannah Nelson
:03:30. > :03:33.standing up in the Waterfront Hall making it clear to the world that
:03:33. > :03:36.they wanted not to be part of a divisive society, but a united
:03:36. > :03:44.society moving forward. challenge, I think, for the
:03:44. > :03:47.organisers in this has been two-fold, hasn't it? One to make the
:03:47. > :03:50.people of this city feel good about themselves and to enjoy a
:03:50. > :03:53.celebration, but also to try to reflect some of that positive life
:03:53. > :03:57.in the city to people from outside it and that's not always been an
:03:57. > :04:02.easy thing to pull off. I know we're only half-way through, but is that
:04:02. > :04:04.challenge being met? Well, I think it is being met. People in the city
:04:04. > :04:11.do feel good about themselves. People loved the return although
:04:11. > :04:21.Colmkil. The marathon was run in the city. We had the Down Chorus and we
:04:21. > :04:28.
:04:28. > :04:30.had a full day of music throughout the city. There is real
:04:31. > :04:34.participation and a real feeling of inclusiveness that this City of
:04:34. > :04:44.Culture reached out into parts of the community who were never part of
:04:44. > :04:47.
:04:47. > :04:50.anything in the past. There are some voices we've heard, but they are
:04:50. > :04:58.there and they need to be addressed. Those people who feel their part of
:04:58. > :05:02.the City of Culture has been airbrushed out. For them, they don't
:05:02. > :05:04.see "UK" perhaps as prominently as it should be from their point of
:05:04. > :05:07.view do you understand that concern? Well, I can understand that
:05:07. > :05:13.sometimes people pick on points they want to highlight and the balance
:05:13. > :05:18.that has been struck has been the correct balance. Because I think
:05:18. > :05:22.there has been a real effort made by the Culture Company, by everybody.
:05:22. > :05:25.In August, we will see for the first time an event come to this city.
:05:25. > :05:34.Between 300,000 and 400,000 people will come here. There will be
:05:34. > :05:41.unionists participating in that. There are efforts to ensure there is
:05:42. > :05:45.pipe bands from the Unionist tradition participating. In the
:05:45. > :05:48.context of where we have come from, the fact that we have joined
:05:48. > :05:51.together in a very positive way, there is a strong view that it has
:05:51. > :05:56.been very, very inclusive, but there will always be a certain tiny
:05:56. > :05:59.unrepresentative minority who will try to make out that it isn't.
:05:59. > :06:07.do you say to those people who are concerned about whether or not it
:06:07. > :06:10.represents good value for money? There is a lot of public money going
:06:10. > :06:14.into the past six months and the next six months. Are you satisfied
:06:14. > :06:17.that the decision to put so much public money into the event will be
:06:17. > :06:27.vindicated? Absolutely. We have put about �30 million into it. It is a
:06:27. > :06:28.
:06:28. > :06:31.lot of money. But it is money well spent. Over �12 million was into the
:06:31. > :06:34.City of Culture directly and the rest goes into ensuring that the
:06:35. > :06:37.infrastructure was there. I mean, if you were to ask me what was one of
:06:37. > :06:41.the most important things that happened, it is this Peace Bridge.
:06:42. > :06:48.The river is seen not as a divisive thing in the city, it is seen as a
:06:48. > :06:57.resource that we can use and we saw that with the Clipper boats. We saw
:06:57. > :07:00.that with the return of Colmkil. This is the new iconic image of a
:07:00. > :07:03.city and of people looking to the future, but it brought a massive
:07:03. > :07:06.psychological change to the people of this city who recognise that our
:07:06. > :07:16.futures are so intertwined that divided we are weak, but united we
:07:16. > :07:26.
:07:26. > :07:29.are very strong. Just to move on specifically from the City of
:07:29. > :07:33.Culture debate, you have said that you think this city should be a
:07:33. > :07:36.model for a way forward in the number of different ways, but not
:07:36. > :07:40.least on the marching issue and we are in the teeth of the marching
:07:40. > :07:42.season and this city has been seen as a model for dealing with the
:07:42. > :07:46.controversial issues in the past with accommodations made with the
:07:46. > :07:49.apprentice Boys. Do you think it is still a model for the future?
:07:49. > :07:54.ten years I was part of a group of people in the city that was
:07:54. > :07:57.encouraging local residents groups. The Apprentice Boys, the community
:07:57. > :08:01.and voluntary sector recognised the importance of trying to resolve the
:08:01. > :08:08.contentious issue of marching in the city and it took a couple of years
:08:08. > :08:15.to do it, but for the last eight years, we have been trouble free.
:08:15. > :08:18.What was the secret? It was the willingness of the local residents
:08:18. > :08:21.group and the Apprentice Boys to sit down together, respecting each other
:08:21. > :08:26.and working out solutions. If that can happen here, it can happen
:08:26. > :08:29.anywhere. The last time you appeared on this programme talking to me
:08:29. > :08:32.which was before Christmas time and you said you had private meetings
:08:32. > :08:37.with senior members of the Orange Order. Have you met those
:08:37. > :08:41.individuals again? Well, I have sent out feelers for more discussions. I
:08:41. > :08:50.would like to talk to the Grand Lodge of Ireland. I wrote to them a
:08:50. > :08:53.number of months. I haven't even received a reply, but we need to
:08:53. > :08:56.encourage people to recognise that the solutions that can be found are
:08:56. > :09:01.mutely beneficial for everybody, for the marching orders, for the local
:09:01. > :09:05.communities. What people need to do is sit down in a room together and
:09:05. > :09:14.work out solutions. Once people get into a room, all sorts of things can
:09:14. > :09:17.happen. You said you made real progress, it wasn't a formal meeting
:09:17. > :09:24.with the Orange Order, it wasn't an official meeting, but the
:09:24. > :09:32.individuals in the room were significant individuals. You must be
:09:33. > :09:35.disappointed they haven't met you since then? We have had from the
:09:36. > :09:38.Orange Order a statement making it clear that they don't have any
:09:38. > :09:41.difficulty with local lodges engaging with local communities.
:09:41. > :09:44.What we need to see are the local lodges recognising the importance of
:09:44. > :09:51.doing that and I welcome very much the statement made by Jonathan Bell
:09:51. > :10:01.representing the DUP. He said he believed that the Orange Order
:10:01. > :10:04.
:10:04. > :10:07.should be speaking to local residents groups. It is interesting
:10:07. > :10:10.that you should say that because here is another thing that the
:10:10. > :10:20.Orange Order aren't happy about and that's the development on the
:10:20. > :10:23.
:10:23. > :10:32.Maze/Long Kesh site. They are not willing to support it. How big a
:10:32. > :10:40.knock back is that? The peace conflict and resolution centre will
:10:40. > :10:42.be built and the work will start on it in the autumn of this year. Peter
:10:42. > :10:46.Robinson and I had an interesting conversation with the architect who
:10:46. > :10:49.designed the new World Trade Center in New York. And he is part of this
:10:49. > :10:59.project for the Peace Building Centre. He said something I thought
:10:59. > :11:02.
:11:02. > :11:12.very, very powerful. And that was this week? A few days ago. He was in
:11:12. > :11:18.
:11:18. > :11:21.Belfast and we met with him him. He told us about the time he designed
:11:21. > :11:25.the new Jewish museum in Berlin and there was massive opposition to that
:11:25. > :11:28.project, but it went ahead and once people saw the building, and this
:11:28. > :11:31.was a building that after it was constructed had nothing in it for
:11:31. > :11:34.months, they came in their millions to see it. And I think the same
:11:34. > :11:39.thing will happen here. What do I take encouragement from? I pay
:11:39. > :11:42.tribute to the Royal Ulster Agricultural Society. Their show
:11:42. > :11:49.this year, the Balmoral Show was a huge success with a 20% increase
:11:49. > :11:55.with the numbers attending and that was from the farming community.
:11:55. > :11:59.RUAS isn't controversial... People came because they recognised this
:11:59. > :12:06.was very, very important and this is a site which if utilised will
:12:06. > :12:15.provide employment for over 5,000 people. So that will happen and it
:12:15. > :12:18.will be a success? It will happen and it will be a success. Let me ask
:12:18. > :12:25.you one thing before we move on and move back to the debate about the
:12:25. > :12:28.City of Culture with my other guests. Gerry Kelly's actions. Some
:12:28. > :12:31.people suggested that his involvement in that incident with a
:12:31. > :12:34.PSNI Land Rover didn't help calm the mood ahead of this year's marching
:12:34. > :12:38.season. Was he not ill-advised to stand in front of the police Land
:12:38. > :12:40.Rover in the way he did? For years Gerry Kelly has stood in north
:12:40. > :12:43.Belfast very courageously and taken a lot of abuse from dissident
:12:43. > :12:48.elements and Gerry Kelly has done everything to keep north Belfast
:12:48. > :12:58.calm and he was doing the same on that occasion. It is easy for people
:12:58. > :13:00.
:13:00. > :13:03.to criticise when they are not there. When they are not there at
:13:03. > :13:10.the heat of the moment when something happens and there is a
:13:10. > :13:14.real prospect that things are going to get out of control. Well, Peter
:13:14. > :13:17.Robinson said he was reckless. people are entitled to have their
:13:17. > :13:20.opinions, but I admire the work Gerry Kelly has done in the past.
:13:20. > :13:23.Gerry Kelly understands what is required to resolve the situation in
:13:23. > :13:26.regard to parades in Belfast. wonder if you were there standing
:13:26. > :13:32.there would you have said "Gerry, stand out of the way and let the
:13:32. > :13:36.Land Rover past." I don't think we can say sitting in a studio and not
:13:36. > :13:46.being there that we have done things differently from how Gerry Kelly did
:13:46. > :13:51.
:13:51. > :13:54.it. Everybody has to reflect on how they handled different situations,
:13:54. > :13:57.but during the course of that situation and I heard and it was
:13:57. > :14:02.broadcast a senior policeman saying to Gerry Kelly and we heard it, "I
:14:02. > :14:05.know you are trying to calm the situation." That's what counts.
:14:05. > :14:07.is good to have you on the programme. Thank you very much
:14:07. > :14:11.indeed for joining us. The Deputy First Minister, Martin McGuinness.
:14:11. > :14:14.Let's return to the City of Culture debate. We know it's been billed as
:14:14. > :14:16.one long party, but does everyone feel invited? Has the celebration
:14:16. > :14:26.been enjoyed equally by Derry's poorer, more marginalised
:14:26. > :14:51.
:14:51. > :15:01.communities? We sent Gareth Gordon In the home of the Undertones,
:15:01. > :15:01.
:15:01. > :15:05.teenagers have been getting their kicks all year. It is the biggest
:15:05. > :15:15.party the city has ever seen. been very good. Very entertaining.
:15:15. > :15:18.What has it done for the city? is a lot of people about.
:15:18. > :15:21.looking forward to walking and seeing the events. But the City of
:15:21. > :15:24.Culture is not all about big show case events and pageantry, through
:15:24. > :15:34.this door behind me is a project which brings the City of Culture
:15:34. > :15:36.
:15:36. > :15:39.right down to community level. For the past three weeks in the hall on
:15:39. > :15:46.Derry's walls there has been the Big Weave. More than 4,000 people have
:15:46. > :15:49.been to watch and take part. idea of it is we are make making
:15:49. > :15:52.tapestries, but tourists so we have had thousands of people up really
:15:52. > :15:59.weaving tapestries together and leaving a legacy behind for the
:15:59. > :16:09.city. So we're doing seven tapestries, we're keeping one and
:16:09. > :16:09.
:16:09. > :16:14.giving six away. It is cross community. It is inclusive and
:16:14. > :16:20.everybody is able to participate. One of those who has been to see the
:16:21. > :16:23.Big Weave is the editor of the Derry Journal. There was an effort to
:16:23. > :16:27.involve people from both sides of the community and maybe marginal
:16:27. > :16:30.areas and you see that in efforts like the music where kids across the
:16:30. > :16:40.city are getting a chance to dip their toes in the musical water and
:16:40. > :16:43.
:16:43. > :16:48.this is known as musical city. You see it in initiatives like Music
:16:48. > :16:51.City where you had musicians young and old. And all free so you are not
:16:51. > :17:01.having a barrier in terms of financial payment and the bigger
:17:01. > :17:09.
:17:09. > :17:12.events, prices were reasonable. is the Cregan. Reminders of the
:17:12. > :17:14.city's troubled past aren't hard to find. It has been a base for
:17:14. > :17:17.dissident republicans, but this teenager believes the City of
:17:17. > :17:20.Culture helped bring about change. It happened at the right time well
:17:20. > :17:23.all the Republican stuff like that happening in the city. So it brings
:17:23. > :17:26.everybody together and it takes everybody away from the terrorism
:17:26. > :17:29.and stuff that's happening in the city. The project director has no
:17:29. > :17:32.doubt that areas like this have reaped the rewards. There has been a
:17:32. > :17:35.really good feel about it. A good buzz. A good sense of things
:17:35. > :17:45.happening and it was celebratory and it impacts across the city including
:17:45. > :17:48.areas like this. So people do feel included in that. Has it brought the
:17:48. > :17:57.city closer together, do you think? Well, it is hard to make a
:17:57. > :18:00.judgement. I don't know if that's the intention, to be some kind of
:18:00. > :18:03.reconciliation device, but there is a very good feel-good factor within
:18:03. > :18:13.the city. In this nationalist city, not everyone appreciates the title
:18:13. > :18:27.
:18:27. > :18:30.UK City of culture. In the mainly Protestant village of Newbuildings
:18:30. > :18:34.on the outskirts of Londonderry, that caused problems. People saw it
:18:34. > :18:37.as depressing because it is the brand name and it was like here is a
:18:37. > :18:40.section of the community who claim to be from the UK like ourselves in
:18:40. > :18:44.New Buildings and we are getting like that taking a off the actual
:18:44. > :18:47.brand name title. It seemed like skullduggery to a lot of people.
:18:47. > :18:53.hasn't stopped people taking part? It hasn't because there is so many
:18:53. > :18:55.different events. This Protestant community worker agrees the City of
:18:55. > :18:58.Culture helped bring communities together, but says that was
:18:58. > :19:01.happening already. If the City of Culture had been something that had
:19:01. > :19:04.come out maybe five, seven, ten years ago I think there are good
:19:04. > :19:08.reasons why maybe the unionist community may not have engaged as
:19:08. > :19:12.powerful or as strong as they are now, but a lot happened in the city
:19:12. > :19:14.in the last five years, a lot of good work and there is a lot of
:19:14. > :19:17.confidence that has been created within the unionist community by
:19:17. > :19:27.good quality community development work that's gone on. A big test will
:19:27. > :19:36.
:19:36. > :19:39.come in August, a month which once saw tension in the Derry air.
:19:39. > :19:42.year, the annual Apprentice Boys Festival will be followed by the All
:19:42. > :19:52.Ireland flaeh, unthinkable in the past, but that was before the City
:19:52. > :19:57.
:19:57. > :20:00.of Culture came to town. Gareth Gordon reporting. So six
:20:00. > :20:03.months in, has winning the City of Culture title transformed Derry in
:20:03. > :20:06.the way the bid document predicted, "creating a catalytic impact for the
:20:06. > :20:09.people of the city and the economy"? Lots to discuss with our panel:
:20:09. > :20:12.Community worker, Jeanette Warke. Denis Bradley, the former vice-chair
:20:12. > :20:15.of the Policing Board. Philip Gilliland from the Chamber of
:20:15. > :20:21.Commerce and the Chief Executive of the Culture Company, Shona McCarthy.
:20:21. > :20:27.You heard what the Deputy First Minister had to say. He is a big
:20:27. > :20:31.supporter. There has been criticism, do you think you turned a corner in
:20:31. > :20:35.the past month maybe? I think we're six months in, we have still six
:20:35. > :20:45.months to go, Mark, but for me, it is surpassing all expectation, but I
:20:45. > :20:47.
:20:47. > :20:50.would say that, wouldn't I? would. I think we're doing well. I
:20:50. > :20:53.think we're doing very well and we have another six months to address
:20:53. > :20:56.any of the things that aren't quite working out, but in business terms,
:20:56. > :20:59.the business community have risen to the challenge and are reporting back
:20:59. > :21:03.success stories and in terms of visitor numbers, we are even the
:21:03. > :21:06.month of May and the month of June has the biggest hotel occupancy ever
:21:06. > :21:10.in the history of the city. But more important for me is the social
:21:10. > :21:13.impact. It is not perfect yet, but the level of participation in the
:21:13. > :21:23.city is particularly over the last couple of months has increased
:21:23. > :21:26.
:21:26. > :21:31.phenomenally. Is there much you would disagree within what Shona
:21:31. > :21:34.says? No, I'm retired and I get a good bit of it and I'm like the cat
:21:34. > :21:37.who got the cream. This is a wonderful place to be. I'm delighted
:21:37. > :21:43.with everything that happened. I think the community has engaged with
:21:43. > :21:47.this in a way I didn't think would be as good. Last Friday, for
:21:47. > :21:51.example, the whole music thing was one of the most joyful days I lived
:21:51. > :21:56.in this city and I have been here a long time. I haven't lost my
:21:56. > :22:06.critique, my objectivity... I was worried for a moment. Some things
:22:06. > :22:09.
:22:09. > :22:11.don't just work. But that's true of all art and true of all creative
:22:11. > :22:16.enterprises and there are some things I liked better than other
:22:16. > :22:26.things. I'm hoping yet, I haven't given up, but the bid was won or two
:22:26. > :22:26.
:22:26. > :22:30.things, the artistic side and the other thing was purposeful inquiry.
:22:30. > :22:33.A horrible phrase but it was in the book. And the debate about whom we
:22:33. > :22:36.are and what culture is and about the big issues like economy, about
:22:36. > :22:39.education, about university or lack of, about all those massive issues
:22:39. > :22:42.about how we live as a society, where we live, haven't been engaged
:22:42. > :22:46.with and I think that's been a little bit disappointing because I
:22:46. > :22:49.do think that we're talkative people. We have a lot to say and
:22:49. > :22:51.culture gives us a place where we can have difficult debates. Even the
:22:51. > :22:56.issue that you talked about with Martin McGuinness about parading.
:22:56. > :22:59.How did we get to the place that we got to? All those things, a
:22:59. > :23:04.purposeful inquiry and that should be concentrated on more in the next
:23:04. > :23:13.six months. OK, we will get Shona's reaction to that in a moment. Maybe
:23:13. > :23:16.not enough purposeful inquiry, do you agree? Yes, I feel it would be
:23:17. > :23:20.very negative if we didn't agree the way the city is looking and so
:23:21. > :23:30.forth, but obviously, there is a lot of work to be done to be done within
:23:31. > :23:37.
:23:37. > :23:40.the working class community I work in. Which is The Fountain? Yes.Some
:23:40. > :23:45.would feel the venues aren't neutral, but the concert venue has
:23:45. > :23:55.proved a success and the Peace Bridge. The bridge has proved to be
:23:55. > :24:00.
:24:00. > :24:05.fantastic. That is open the city offer us. -- opened the city offer
:24:05. > :24:08.us. So at the minute, you would be more of a thumbs-up than a thumbs
:24:08. > :24:12.down? Of course, yes.You have some reservations? Yes, but thumbs-up at
:24:12. > :24:15.the moment. Speaking on behalf of the business community, Shona said
:24:15. > :24:18.the business community has risen to the challenge. You are keen on the
:24:18. > :24:22.connection with young people? need to think about generation gap
:24:22. > :24:28.and positively so because one of the things we're seeing is there is a
:24:28. > :24:33.great flip for businesses. We have counted about, you know, 40 new
:24:33. > :24:42.businesses in the city centre in retail and hospitality. So business
:24:42. > :24:44.start-ups? Business start-ups. More importantly, we see a big growth in
:24:44. > :24:53.new digital companies which are typically founded by people under
:24:53. > :24:56.the age of 35 who see Derry as a go to destination. They are mobile
:24:57. > :24:59.people and they see Derry as a go to destination because it is
:24:59. > :25:03.interesting and they want to start their businesses here and that's
:25:03. > :25:07.really interesting. It is no coincidence that people under the
:25:07. > :25:10.age of 35 aren't as badly prolgd ly programmed as when we grew upment
:25:10. > :25:14.There is a danger we are feeling good and it has been wonderful, but
:25:14. > :25:16.when this goes away, we are left with the same economy and sometimes
:25:16. > :25:19.people in Belfast accuse us of being really, really always complaining.
:25:19. > :25:21.-- badly programmed. There is a danger that we are feeling so good
:25:21. > :25:25.around this, and it really is wonderful, but when this goes away
:25:25. > :25:30.we are left with the same economy. Some of the people in Belfast
:25:31. > :25:33.accused of horse -- accuse us of always complaining. It is not true.
:25:34. > :25:37.The economy in Derry is really, really poor. You would be concerned
:25:37. > :25:39.if this hadn't happened, where with would you be? We have raised our
:25:39. > :25:42.expectations. We've raised our well-being and our confidence, but
:25:42. > :25:52.there is a danger that unless we follow this through and really work
:25:52. > :25:56.
:25:56. > :26:00.at this... I couldn't agree more. I mean, the City of Culture, if it is
:26:00. > :26:04.just one big party and it stops, that's not a success, but I can tell
:26:04. > :26:07.already that it is not that because what we have seen is that we have
:26:07. > :26:10.seen the numbers of younger people who are choosing to live here
:26:10. > :26:13.instead of going o away or choosing to come here who have never been
:26:13. > :26:17.here before to start their businesses and to study and live and
:26:17. > :26:20.that's a fantastic beginning of a legacy. The City of Culture is not a
:26:20. > :26:30.thing in itself, it is a catalyst along the way. It is one step along
:26:30. > :26:32.
:26:32. > :26:38.the way. Shona? I couldn't agree more. The idea that this was going
:26:39. > :26:42.to be the and to society's bills would have been a crazy notion. If
:26:42. > :26:44.you look at the team we put together to deliver this, the level of
:26:45. > :26:47.cultural leadership, the development of capacity within the city cannot
:26:47. > :26:52.be overestimated. It is a platform and a possiblity for what comes
:26:52. > :26:55.next, but we have got a lot of work to do and the focus for all of us
:26:55. > :27:00.now is on the legacy. Derry did an amazing thing during the Troubles.
:27:00. > :27:08.It dissipated because we didn't follow through. It was more
:27:08. > :27:12.difficult. Politically, we weren't in the same place a and if we don't
:27:12. > :27:16.follow this one through, we have only ourselves to blame. I'm curious
:27:16. > :27:23.to know what you think, Jeanette. How do you think they could benefit
:27:23. > :27:27.economically from this? The young people in your community. If they
:27:27. > :27:31.were sitting here in 12 months time. What would you be saying, do you
:27:31. > :27:34.think? Well, we talk about the shared city and we talked about the
:27:34. > :27:37.shared future document and I would be concerned that young people from
:27:37. > :27:41.my community, there is a lack of employment for them, but as well as
:27:41. > :27:45.that, the city centre is not safe for them and here we are in a small
:27:45. > :27:50.community on the West Bank of the city and they are not safe to go
:27:50. > :27:53.into their local shopping centre. Are they really not safe, or do they
:27:53. > :28:02.think they are not safe? No, no, last week we had two attacks. They
:28:02. > :28:06.have to go out in groups of six. I don't see that. I know it is City of
:28:06. > :28:13.Culture and all that, but that worries me and here we have young
:28:13. > :28:17.people who don't feel safe in their city centre. City of Culture is not
:28:17. > :28:24.a panacea and it is not up to you to be make making the streets a safer
:28:24. > :28:32.place, but what do you say in response to that? That's not the
:28:32. > :28:35.message you want coming out? course, not, what I would say, one
:28:35. > :28:38.of the things I'm proud of is when we put the programme together, we
:28:38. > :28:41.tested it across the political spectrum and the view that came back
:28:41. > :28:45.this is one of the most inclusive documents produced from the city and
:28:45. > :28:48.I was proud of that. The work that maybe some people aren't seeing and
:28:48. > :28:52.it is less told about is the work going on in schools and community
:28:52. > :28:55.groups. I was at a launch last week and it was led by Mary Kerrigan.
:28:55. > :29:05.Computers have gone into the Fountain and Long Tower primary
:29:05. > :29:07.
:29:07. > :29:10.schools. It may not all happen tomorrow, but there is work that's
:29:10. > :29:17.being done that is bedding in new approaches to learning to the
:29:17. > :29:21.creative industries that are going to stand this city in great stead.
:29:21. > :29:25.think it is wonderful what's happening in the schools too.
:29:25. > :29:28.proud of the young people that I work with and I really want that to
:29:28. > :29:36.get out there. They are not a wingeing society because we have
:29:36. > :29:40.been so involved. Our young people have taken part in the music in the
:29:40. > :29:45.Long Tower Youth Club and we have our own samba band and our African
:29:45. > :29:48.drummers who are out there at every opportunity. I'm really proud
:29:48. > :29:58.because here they are and they are saying, " Right, we want to be part
:29:58. > :29:59.
:29:59. > :30:02.of this. We want to be part of our city." How do we broaden the debate
:30:02. > :30:12.to involve people from outside the city? We talked about people in the
:30:12. > :30:15.city feeling better about themselves and understanding each other better.
:30:15. > :30:18.I'm surprised at the number of people who are interested in arts
:30:18. > :30:21.and culture and interested in purposeful inquiry who haven't been
:30:21. > :30:29.here in the past six months, does that surprise you too? See those
:30:29. > :30:32.Belfast ones! I agree with that! People always joke that the distance
:30:33. > :30:39.between Derry and Belfast is a lot shorter and there is a serious point
:30:39. > :30:42.in that! I would encourage them, get up for the next six months of the
:30:42. > :30:52.year, not because of City of Culture, look at this city, it is
:30:52. > :31:03.
:31:03. > :31:06.transformed. People should come and witness a city that is in transition
:31:06. > :31:09.and in a much more tangible and physical way than you would see in
:31:09. > :31:12.Belfast. We are almost leap frog frogging. You only have to look at
:31:12. > :31:16.what this evening was published in the Economist about Derry and about
:31:16. > :31:23.what The Observer is saying and the New York Times is saying. We almost
:31:23. > :31:26.have to go for external validation first. I was walking across the
:31:26. > :31:31.Peace Bridge and there were people from Germany, America and Dublin,
:31:31. > :31:35.not enough Belfast accents. We need to get more of them here. What do
:31:35. > :31:45.you do about that? It is astonishing the number of people from Belfast
:31:45. > :31:48.who have not been here before. When they come, they will come again.
:31:48. > :31:56.is a big challenge. It will be less of a challenge in the next six
:31:56. > :32:02.months. I think doing anything for the first time is always a difficult
:32:02. > :32:05.thing. And getting the message out and even a new brand like that that
:32:05. > :32:09.hasn't existed before, it is not easy. Tell them all they will get
:32:09. > :32:15.�100 when they come to Derry so they will all come then! I'm not sure she
:32:15. > :32:19.would be allowed to do that! Denis, what do you hope the legacy will be?
:32:19. > :32:22.The beauty of this city being shown to the world which I think is really
:32:22. > :32:25.happening and the fact that when you are a marginalised, on the margin
:32:25. > :32:33.city that you can be something that's very important in its
:32:33. > :32:39.contribution, and that's beginning to happen in the city. We need to
:32:40. > :32:45.leave this part of the conversation. You have made yourself a hostage to
:32:45. > :32:53.fortune on that. Thanks to Shona McCarthy, Denis Bradley, Jeanette
:32:53. > :32:56.Warke and Philip Gilliland thanks very much indeed. From what we've
:32:56. > :33:00.been hearing tonight so far, and judging by the reaction on Twitter,
:33:00. > :33:03.it's pretty clear that everyone in Derry is fully aware that it's the
:33:03. > :33:06.first ever UK City of Culture. But beyond the city walls, do people
:33:06. > :33:16.know? Have they been to visit? Are they planning to come? We've been in
:33:16. > :33:18.
:33:18. > :33:23.Dublin and Ballymena to find out. heard about it when I was in London
:33:23. > :33:30.and it is in Derry/Londonderry this year. I wouldn't go over the top to
:33:30. > :33:34.go to Derry. I'm happy that the natives up there enjoy themselves.
:33:34. > :33:41.will go up for the music and the street festival and Derry is a
:33:41. > :33:47.fabulous city as well. It is really, really nice. There is great people
:33:47. > :33:50.up there. There is something in my mind that tells me, yes, I think it
:33:50. > :33:55.was Derry or Londonderry, but I wouldn't be sure of that. But I did
:33:55. > :34:05.see something on television? I was there last week. Very interesting. I
:34:05. > :34:09.
:34:09. > :34:12.haven't been up north for a long time. You know the way, we get
:34:12. > :34:22.isolated down here because of what went on up there, but now is the
:34:22. > :34:23.
:34:23. > :34:27.time to go back. Well, I would like to go, but we have a wee dog and we
:34:27. > :34:30.don't like taking him on the train. I would love to go. My wife and
:34:31. > :34:39.myself would love to go. My wife and myself would love to go. I wouldn't
:34:39. > :34:42.be interested in the culture. heard they had some events, but I
:34:42. > :34:46.didn't know it was the City of Culture, no. I didn't know that at
:34:46. > :34:50.all. I haven't had time to read newspapers or watch TV, but if I got
:34:50. > :34:53.a flyer through the door I would say, " That's on and maybe go to
:34:53. > :34:59.it." There is no reason why I wouldn't go, I just don't know
:34:59. > :35:03.enough about it. I missed out on a ticket for the Big Weekend. I missed
:35:03. > :35:08.out on the trains. We have always had other stuff on whether there has
:35:08. > :35:15.been events in Derry. For once, tonight's commentators didn't have
:35:15. > :35:19.to far to come. -- too far. It's home turf for two of The View
:35:19. > :35:25.regulars, Deirdre Heenan and Paul McFadden. I can you hear, because
:35:25. > :35:28.you live here. -- I can't welcome you here. It is nice to have you on
:35:28. > :35:31.the programme. Paul, thoughts first of all on what the Deputy First
:35:31. > :35:40.Minister had to say about City of Culture and about the marching
:35:40. > :35:43.season? About the City of Culture, you'd expect him to be positive. He
:35:43. > :35:46.is in his home city and it is important to people here in terms of
:35:46. > :35:54.economic development and in terms of the feel-good factor which exists
:35:54. > :35:57.among so many people on these streets. No surprise either to hear
:35:57. > :36:00.him, imploring may be strong, but urge urging Grand Lodge of the
:36:01. > :36:04.Orange Order to get involved. No surprise in that and clearly, he and
:36:04. > :36:07.I'm sure Peter Robinson will feel that's part of the answer to the
:36:07. > :36:11.tensions we have seen on the streets of Belfast recently and other
:36:11. > :36:15.communities too. Deirdre, what stood out for you? Well, I suppose
:36:15. > :36:18.basically what we are saying this is a city that found itself belief and
:36:18. > :36:23.optimism and those things are difficult to pleasure and I know a
:36:23. > :36:27.lot of people are saying how are we going to measure the success of it?
:36:27. > :36:30.Those are the things we should be focusing on. Of course there is an
:36:30. > :36:37.economic imperative, at the city has found its Mojo and we have to keep
:36:37. > :36:47.that. -- but the city. Let's talk about stories of the week. Paul,
:36:47. > :36:51.
:36:51. > :36:54.what struck you? If you asked me on Monday whether I could have foreseen
:36:54. > :36:57.anything topping the spectacle of an MLA being carried out in police Land
:36:57. > :36:59.Rover with an out of date tax disk, but the revelations in the
:36:59. > :37:03.Independent about the disclosure of conversations conversations in the
:37:03. > :37:12.Anglo-Irish Bank. It is hard to rage against a bank or an institution.
:37:12. > :37:16.This thing became personal. We saw names and heard the recordings. It
:37:16. > :37:20.is no longer a business, it is person l a. -- personal. People are
:37:20. > :37:25.talking about treason and things. As huge story and a great scoop for the
:37:25. > :37:28.Irish Independent. What was your story of the week? It was the
:37:29. > :37:38.diplomatic row over Edward Snowden who has been in the news for a
:37:39. > :37:39.
:37:39. > :37:49.number of weeks. He is America's most wanted fugitive and the
:37:49. > :37:50.
:37:50. > :37:53.question is, where is Edward. He was last seen in Moscow Airport and it
:37:53. > :38:03.is like Where's Wally in real life! The national security in America
:38:03. > :38:06.
:38:06. > :38:09.listen to our phone calls and read our e-mails. Is anyone shocked? I
:38:10. > :38:13.liked Putin's comment when he was asked to discuss it as to whether or
:38:13. > :38:16.not he was harbouring a fugitive, he said, " I prefer not to deal with
:38:17. > :38:24.this issue as it's like shearing a pig. Too much squealing and not
:38:24. > :38:34.enough wool." What is your tweet?It is from Tony Galbraith: What is
:38:34. > :38:43.is from Tony Galbraith: What is yours? Justin Welby, he tweeted from
:38:43. > :38:46.Egypt: The only fitting response to that is Amen. Wise and appropriate
:38:46. > :38:49.that is Amen. Wise and appropriate for our community as We have a
:38:49. > :38:59.couple of minutes. We can look ahead. Paul, what are you going to
:38:59. > :39:05.
:39:05. > :39:08.be looking out for? I will be interested to see how the SDLP, Alex
:39:08. > :39:14.Atwood specifically, and minor parties, react to what happened to
:39:14. > :39:17.Alex Attwood. His attempt to introduce this Planning Bill.
:39:17. > :39:22.been a bruising couple of weeks for Alex Attwood? You need sharp elbows
:39:22. > :39:25.as well. That's the nature of the political game. It will fire a shot
:39:26. > :39:28.across the bows of the other parties and people in the SDLP must know
:39:28. > :39:36.whether the time has come to consider moving into opposition.
:39:37. > :39:46.Deirdre? Our graduations start on Monday. It is a great time for our
:39:47. > :39:47.
:39:48. > :39:52.students and their families. Do you have strawberries and cream? We do
:39:53. > :39:56.indeed. Your good friend will be there presiding. Glastonbury is on
:39:56. > :40:06.at the weekend and the line-up. We have got Professor Green and Kenny
:40:06. > :40:07.
:40:07. > :40:13.Rogers. The Stones, yes. I am not sure about Kenny Rogers. You really
:40:13. > :40:22.like him. I'm up all night for Dolly Parton! The city looks fantastic
:40:22. > :40:25.behind us. The Guild Hall is lit up. How would you persuade hem who don't
:40:25. > :40:28.know this city and the City of Culture, to come here, Paul? If you
:40:28. > :40:32.come from Belfast, those people that aren't coming from Belfast, it will
:40:32. > :40:35.be one of the finest train journeys. You will come across one of the most
:40:35. > :40:38.beautiful rivers. You will have great craic, great people and you