:00:05. > :00:08.This week on The Wales Report: After the damage and distress
:00:08. > :00:11.caused by the floods in North Wales, have the lessons really been
:00:11. > :00:15.learned? We'll be talking to the minister in charge.
:00:15. > :00:19.In the week of the Leveson Report, did the press get away with it once
:00:19. > :00:23.again? We'll be exploring the balance between free speech and
:00:23. > :00:27.freedom from press abuse. And amid new warnings that the rate
:00:27. > :00:29.of HIV infection in Wales in escalating, we have a report on one
:00:29. > :00:39.man's fight to keep an AIDS care centre open.
:00:39. > :00:45.
:00:45. > :00:48.Good evening once again, it's time for The Wales Report. It's our
:00:48. > :00:52.chance to examine some of the important issues for Wales, to talk
:00:52. > :00:55.to some of those affected and to the decision-makers. The week has
:00:55. > :00:58.been dominated by the scenes of extensive damage in North Wales,
:00:58. > :01:01.with having to cope with floods and severe weather, hundreds of
:01:01. > :01:09.families forced from their homes as the Elwy and Clwyd burst their
:01:09. > :01:13.banks. One elderly woman lost her life. And questions are being asked
:01:13. > :01:16.already about the circumstances. How sensible is it to build new
:01:16. > :01:19.homes on flood plains? I'll be discussing this with the
:01:19. > :01:23.Environment Minister, but first Tim Rogers, who investigated the floods
:01:23. > :01:33.for the BBC's Week In Week Out, gives us his assessment of what
:01:33. > :01:44.
:01:44. > :01:50.Images of destruction and anguish are becoming all too painfully
:01:50. > :01:57.familiar across Wales. Homes destroyed and lives wrecked by a
:01:57. > :02:04.force of nature. Every where. It is in my tumble-drier, my washing
:02:04. > :02:07.machine. Everywhere. Visiting the scene of destruction this week,
:02:07. > :02:12.First Minister Carwyn Jones had a warning for us all. It does show
:02:13. > :02:16.what we have to do, or what we have to think about, in order to deal
:02:16. > :02:19.with the effects of climate change in the future.
:02:19. > :02:23.But there have been voices raised for some time that the Welsh
:02:23. > :02:27.government needs to radically reconsider the whole policy of
:02:27. > :02:30.flood defence. And there has been growing disquiet about the
:02:30. > :02:35.regulations concerning the policy of building on flood plains,
:02:35. > :02:40.brought into even starker contrast this week in Ruthin. The Whitley
:02:40. > :02:44.Bay was only built in 2009, more than 100 houses and the estate were
:02:44. > :02:49.flooded. Families rescuing their belongings from the devastation had
:02:49. > :02:53.many questions. We got the house and the promise
:02:53. > :02:57.that it was not a flood plain any more, things had been done to
:02:57. > :03:02.guarantee they should not happen. By something went wrong and
:03:02. > :03:06.questions are being asked about why planning permission was granted.
:03:06. > :03:12.asked the head of planning to look at the planning application way
:03:12. > :03:20.back in 2000 and 4/5, they are getting hold of that, looking at it.
:03:20. > :03:22.-- way back in 2004/5. They're trying to find out the reasons.
:03:22. > :03:27.councils and Environment Agency work to Welsh assembly guidelines.
:03:27. > :03:30.But since it was introduced more than five years ago, 700 new
:03:30. > :03:37.developments have been allowed on flood plains. All of this is
:03:37. > :03:41.happening at a time of an impending perfect storm. Global warming is,
:03:41. > :03:44.it is argued, producing extreme weather conditions across Wales,
:03:44. > :03:48.while government financial restrictions are making spending on
:03:48. > :03:52.flood defences ever more difficult. On top of this, the government
:03:52. > :03:57.agreement with the insurance industry to underwrite cover for
:03:57. > :04:00.properties in flood risk areas ends next spring, and talks to renew it
:04:00. > :04:05.have stalled. The Environment Minister visited families this week
:04:05. > :04:10.to see what the Government is doing and can do to help. In the next few
:04:10. > :04:15.months he will have to come up with some answers.
:04:15. > :04:20.With me is the Environment Minister, John Griffiths, who has kindly
:04:20. > :04:25.cumin. The system is not working? think it is in many respects, in
:04:25. > :04:30.terms of controls in place through the planning system, for example,
:04:31. > :04:35.the advice note is very restrictive in terms of new developments in
:04:35. > :04:40.flood risk areas. Despite the fact there are 700 or so developments we
:04:40. > :04:45.have seen since the note was given out? But developments were town 15
:04:45. > :04:48.are batting 2004 it was put in place in terms of its current form,
:04:48. > :04:51.but there is a bit of a time lag with developments because
:04:51. > :04:55.developers have five years to start developing from the granting of
:04:55. > :04:59.planning permission and often they would build the first phase and
:04:59. > :05:03.later phases will, over a period of years. There were evidence is that
:05:03. > :05:08.it has been quite restrictive in terms of its effect. I'll be
:05:08. > :05:14.looking to see far fewer developments in flood areas? -- are
:05:14. > :05:18.we are looking to? We have much more restricted development.
:05:18. > :05:25.that was the case when be badly hit estate was built, would it have
:05:25. > :05:29.been subject to different rules? is never wise to talk too much
:05:29. > :05:34.about a particular development in terms of planning matters as
:05:34. > :05:37.planning minister, I have to be very careful because of the legal
:05:37. > :05:41.considerations. But we can say there is a much more hands-on
:05:41. > :05:47.approach from Welsh government. This summer, after the flooding the
:05:47. > :05:50.experienced, we have a system in place now where housing is proposed
:05:51. > :05:54.in a flood risk area, it must be referred to Welsh government to
:05:54. > :05:59.consider whether it needs to be called in. We take a much more
:05:59. > :06:05.strong line as the Welsh government to make sure that only appropriate
:06:05. > :06:08.development takes place. OK, I understand the legal
:06:08. > :06:12.sensitivities. Let's talk hypothetically and say there was a
:06:12. > :06:17.case very similar to this estate in an area where you know there is a
:06:17. > :06:22.risk, which you expected to be referred to you? It would be under
:06:22. > :06:27.the new direction brought in this summer. Hypothetically, what kind
:06:27. > :06:31.of the would you take? A highly precautionary view. Flood risk is
:06:31. > :06:36.very serious to communities, as we saw last week and over the summer.
:06:36. > :06:42.It is a very robust precautionary code, that must be right. But there
:06:42. > :06:45.are wider issues. We know what an awful lot of Wales has already been
:06:45. > :06:51.built on a in terms of the coast and the rivers, that development is
:06:51. > :06:55.there. We are spending something like �150 million of flood defences.
:06:55. > :07:00.Is that enough? It is a lot, but we are trying to find extra money by
:07:00. > :07:04.bringing together the key partners, the Welsh government, Environment
:07:04. > :07:08.Agency, local authorities and those whose infrastructure is protected.
:07:08. > :07:13.We want to clearly prioritise when you defences need to be put in
:07:13. > :07:16.place and find a resource for that. Crucially, people will be watching
:07:16. > :07:23.him in future years will be presented with the opportunity of
:07:23. > :07:27.buying a home in area traditionally associated with risk. They will
:07:27. > :07:30.need to have confidence that the Welsh government has a really
:07:30. > :07:35.detailed overview of this and you have called in the schemes, can you
:07:35. > :07:40.assure people? I think so. Our planning system and our technical
:07:40. > :07:42.advice is robust and highly precautionary. But we will look at
:07:42. > :07:47.all these matters again and constantly keep them under review,
:07:47. > :07:50.because when we have serious incidents are flooding we need to
:07:50. > :07:54.look at the particular circumstances, any lessons and go
:07:54. > :07:59.through that exercise. There are lots of pressures - the
:07:59. > :08:03.local authority, developers, it is quite complex. Ultimately some
:08:03. > :08:08.people think that the wrong pressures have won and those people
:08:08. > :08:12.who wanted to be cautious have been overruled or outvoted. Will that
:08:12. > :08:16.happen in future or not? We have this highly precautionary and
:08:16. > :08:22.robust approach to recognising flood risk and guarding against it,
:08:22. > :08:25.but it is a balance. If I look at my own area of Newport, on the east
:08:25. > :08:30.banks of the river a new development has taken place
:08:30. > :08:34.recently. As part of that development flood precautions have
:08:34. > :08:38.been greatly increased and strengthened. The level of the land
:08:38. > :08:42.has been substantially raised. That has provided much better protection
:08:42. > :08:47.not just for the new development but thousands of existing homes. It
:08:47. > :08:52.is always a balance end-June need to have a new generation -- and
:08:52. > :08:55.Unita have regeneration. It was World Aids Day yesterday.
:08:55. > :08:58.The Prime Minister says there is still too much ignorance about HIV
:08:58. > :09:02.and AIDS. The latest figures suggest that 25,000 people in the
:09:02. > :09:05.UK are HIV positive but aren't aware of it. In Wales, there were
:09:05. > :09:09.169 new infections last year, and chief medical officer Ruth Hussey
:09:09. > :09:11.warns that the risk of HIV infection is very real. The only
:09:11. > :09:15.HIV/AIDS respite centre in Wales was opened in Penmaenmawr nine
:09:15. > :09:18.years ago by Phillip Kearton-Smith. But the charity's funding has dried
:09:19. > :09:22.up, and earlier this year it had to close its doors. As David Williams
:09:22. > :09:32.reports, it's now a final appeal to the Welsh government for urgent
:09:32. > :09:43.
:09:43. > :09:49.This was once the only HIV/AIDS respite centre in Wales. It stands
:09:49. > :09:53.empty, stripped of its holistic furnishings. A shell of a place
:09:53. > :09:58.rather than the sanctuary it once was, and now in the hands of the
:09:58. > :10:04.liquidators. The former manager of the charity
:10:04. > :10:09.runs centre at Penmaenmawr in North Wales spent more than �100,000 of
:10:09. > :10:14.his own money to try and keep it open. But he is now destitute and
:10:14. > :10:20.forced to live in two rooms in the empty property.
:10:20. > :10:24.We tried every avenue. We tried to get help from the Welsh government,
:10:24. > :10:28.in a business sense, been possible funding, just somebody to come and
:10:28. > :10:34.talk about what we could and could not do.
:10:34. > :10:39.The Welsh government gave a grant of �130,000 to help buy the
:10:39. > :10:45.property nine years ago. But it now wants the money back, and a share
:10:45. > :10:49.of the sale price. So this was your room?
:10:49. > :10:55.When the centre closed its doors earlier this year, it closed them
:10:55. > :11:02.to people like Tommy. He came here from Manchester in need of rest and
:11:02. > :11:06.recuperation. I was in a wheelchair... Medication used to
:11:06. > :11:10.reduce the effect of the HIV disease left him unable to walk.
:11:10. > :11:15.You believe what you consultants say, that she will never walk again,
:11:16. > :11:20.that is what I believed. -- that you will never walk again. But it
:11:21. > :11:30.is no exaggeration to say that if you had not have come here...?
:11:31. > :11:31.
:11:31. > :11:35.would have put me into care. I believe that. Surrey, are you OK?
:11:35. > :11:39.Yeah, I'll be all right. I wouldn't have been alive. You wouldn't have
:11:39. > :11:44.been alive? This was the only place of its kind
:11:44. > :11:49.in Wales, and many who came here were referred to the home by the
:11:49. > :11:51.Terrence Higgins Trust, a charity which aims to reduce the effects of
:11:51. > :11:55.HIV/AIDS and one which actively promoted the North Wales respite
:11:55. > :12:00.centre. It is a huge loss, and people are
:12:00. > :12:04.now wondering where my going to go to get that additional support? --
:12:04. > :12:09.where am I going to go? Organisations can provide day-to-
:12:09. > :12:14.day support, but have the capacity to go away somewhere and spend some
:12:14. > :12:18.complete time where you can be yourself is just lost.
:12:18. > :12:23.The closure of the centre coincides with a dramatic rise in the number
:12:23. > :12:27.of gay and bisexual men being diagnosed with HIV in the United
:12:27. > :12:33.Kingdom. It is at an all-time high, and the number of cases in Wales
:12:33. > :12:38.has reached 1400. Even more worrying is the
:12:38. > :12:42.calculation that one in four people with HIV are completely unaware of
:12:42. > :12:48.the infection. They may still be spreading the virus.
:12:48. > :12:52.Wales has the highest trajectory of new cases of all the four UK
:12:52. > :12:57.nations. This charity is unique, as I think we were quite clear. They
:12:57. > :13:01.provided a vital service, as the evidence shows. They should be
:13:01. > :13:05.supported. They cost the Welsh government virtually nothing. The
:13:05. > :13:09.implications of not supporting them would end up with far greater cost
:13:09. > :13:13.to the Welsh government than would otherwise be the case.
:13:14. > :13:19.Philip is not without his supporters. A number of trustees of
:13:19. > :13:22.the centre, including the Bishop of St Asaph, have written to the
:13:22. > :13:27.Health Minister Leslie Griffiths, reminding her of the Trust's failed
:13:27. > :13:31.attempts to interest the last government in helping assented to
:13:31. > :13:36.diversified and pleading with her to be considerate of its manager --
:13:36. > :13:40.in helping the centre to diversify. Philip has given outstanding
:13:40. > :13:46.service to the charity for nine years. Now it seems it is almost as
:13:46. > :13:50.if he can go on the rubbish heap. In response to the Bishop's pleas,
:13:50. > :13:59.the Health Minister said, was found sympathetic towards his situation,
:13:59. > :14:03.any claims being made must follow the appropriate legal procedure.
:14:03. > :14:07.A very careful, politically correct, this is in their hands of the
:14:08. > :14:14.lawyer's response. What do you make of that? I can understand you have
:14:14. > :14:17.to be careful and government, you can't upset people or be seen to be
:14:17. > :14:27.profligate with public money, but still we want our politicians to
:14:27. > :14:30.
:14:30. > :14:38.show compassion and to care about The company's secretary isn't
:14:38. > :14:44.impressed by the decision that she regards lacking in compassion.
:14:44. > :14:51.is always the little man who suffers. I do not know how I would
:14:52. > :14:55.cope. When we contacted the Department for at their help
:14:55. > :15:01.Minister we were told that the Welsh Government is still
:15:01. > :15:05.considering reclaiming the original grant and a share of the sale price.
:15:05. > :15:12.In order that the money can be used to help a large number of people,
:15:12. > :15:17.BC. But that is exactly what this place was doing. And the man who
:15:17. > :15:22.did more than anyone to keep it open is now waiting to see if the
:15:22. > :15:27.health minister goes ahead and reclaims the grant money and a
:15:27. > :15:33.share of the prophet of the sale of the property. It is a decision that
:15:33. > :15:40.could deprive him of there �100,000 owing him and it could leave him
:15:40. > :15:48.homeless. It has affected me over the past will bought 18 months
:15:48. > :15:53.trying to keep this place going. We had little funds. I was trying to
:15:53. > :15:59.keep on supporting the people that I genuinely want to support, and
:15:59. > :16:04.then I found that I did not know what my future was going to be and
:16:04. > :16:07.it was very stressful. After months of anticipation, Lord
:16:07. > :16:10.Justice Leveson finally unveiled his findings this week on the
:16:10. > :16:13.British press, how it behaves, and how it should be regulated. David
:16:13. > :16:15.Cameron said he accepted all the principles, but not the central
:16:15. > :16:18.recommendation, which called for a new independent regulator backed by
:16:18. > :16:20.new legislation. Charlotte Church was a prominent Welsh voice among
:16:20. > :16:30.the victims of phone-hacking and press abuse, she said the Prime
:16:30. > :16:34.
:16:35. > :16:39.Minister's response amounted to a betrayal. If you meet the statutory
:16:39. > :16:43.underpinning because after three or five years of self regulation or
:16:44. > :16:49.what ever it would be, when those standards slip which the inevitably
:16:49. > :16:54.well, it is the way of the world, then as a backstop there to let it
:16:54. > :16:57.not happen. With me is Professor Ian Hargreaves of Cardiff
:16:57. > :17:05.University who knows both sides of the media divide extremely well as
:17:06. > :17:12.a former editor of the Independent and a former director of BBC News.
:17:12. > :17:17.That the press get away with it? I do not think so. Lord Leveson has
:17:17. > :17:21.come up with a solution. The detail needs to be argued and thought
:17:21. > :17:26.through. I do not believe that the press will get away with this in
:17:26. > :17:29.the end but some of them will certainly try. They have done that
:17:29. > :17:35.were the last century. The Prime Minister is extremely cautious
:17:35. > :17:39.about this notion of the legislation. Is he right to be
:17:39. > :17:45.sensitive? He is right to be sensitive but he would be wrong to
:17:45. > :17:51.block it. The problem is, there has been a proposal for new forms of
:17:51. > :17:55.self regulation at decade after decade and none of them have worked.
:17:55. > :18:00.It is very important to get something that works whilst
:18:00. > :18:06.safeguarding the freedom of the press, it is possible to do both.
:18:06. > :18:10.There is that you in some close to the inquiry that what is being
:18:10. > :18:17.proposed is in breach of the Convention of Human Rights, is that
:18:18. > :18:24.right? I think that is a mistake in judgment. Human rights Terence in
:18:24. > :18:29.principle, the freedom of the press, and the areas in which governments
:18:29. > :18:34.have a legitimate reason for qualifying that, it is a
:18:34. > :18:38.conditional freedom not an absolute freedom. Where will the argument go
:18:38. > :18:47.now because the press thinks it can buy a bit of time or thin up to a
:18:47. > :18:52.new structure? Will that be -- will that be enough? It's the press is
:18:52. > :18:58.very smart about this and comes up with a set of proposals that looks
:18:58. > :19:02.right that they all agree to do and it is implemented within the next
:19:02. > :19:08.six months, I think that they have a strong chance of putting the
:19:08. > :19:12.politicians into a position we the legislation is not ready anyway,
:19:12. > :19:17.even amongst those who favour it, therefore there will be an
:19:17. > :19:22.opportunity to back away what the new system working and declared to
:19:22. > :19:27.be effective. That is the smart course for a bit press, that could
:19:27. > :19:31.work, but the history tells you that that will not be what happens.
:19:31. > :19:38.They were split before it Lord Leveson announced his report and
:19:38. > :19:43.they will no doubt split afterwards. The case for a moderate -- a
:19:43. > :19:48.moderate statutory underpinning will continue. What is the
:19:48. > :19:54.importance of that underpinning? what the reason that Charlotte
:19:54. > :19:58.Church expressed very well. If you do not have that then why would the
:19:58. > :20:03.new arrangements not fall apart like every previous generation of
:20:03. > :20:09.self regulation? Are we not in a position where the press might be
:20:09. > :20:15.more serious about regulating themselves? We might be, and I hope
:20:15. > :20:20.that we are. I regret that we need a High Court judge to tell us how
:20:20. > :20:25.we need to legally frame press regulation. The press should have
:20:25. > :20:31.done this for themselves previously. The public wants a disagreeable and
:20:31. > :20:41.vibrant press, but they do not want a press that her wrasses families
:20:41. > :20:41.
:20:41. > :20:46.and children were no evident reason of public interest. -- wrasses.
:20:46. > :20:50.the process of regulating the press we look at political involvement,
:20:50. > :20:56.people at a sensitive about that, how do we get the insurance but it
:20:56. > :21:01.does not involve political meddling? You have to put a
:21:01. > :21:06.political dimension of this... There is always a political
:21:06. > :21:10.dimension, you have to put up one wall and then another wall between
:21:10. > :21:14.the politicians and the way that the system works. There are ways
:21:14. > :21:20.that that can be done. Lord let us and suggested a couple of writs and
:21:20. > :21:24.there are probably others. -- Lord Leveson. Now we need to focus on
:21:25. > :21:30.how we get it right so it is not a charter for politicians to
:21:31. > :21:34.interfere, nobody wants that. But it has to be something that insures
:21:34. > :21:43.that we have a robust way of regulating the press and we
:21:43. > :21:46.established that and in that it right.
:21:46. > :21:48.In a week of strong, striking headlines, one stood out for its
:21:48. > :21:51.unusual nature. Four members of the National Assembly bravely decided
:21:51. > :21:55.to go public about their personal experience of mental health issues,
:21:55. > :21:58.notably depression. It is a condition which some people
:21:58. > :22:00.consider a kind of hidden epidemic in Wales, some 4 million
:22:00. > :22:06.prescriptions for anti-depressants were dispensed in Wales last year,
:22:06. > :22:09.that is easily the highest rate in the UK. But drugs may not be the
:22:09. > :22:15.best answer according to the writer and actor Boyd Clack, the man
:22:15. > :22:18.behind television comedy hits Satellite City and High Hopes. He
:22:18. > :22:28.has suffered from depression for most of his adult life and he
:22:28. > :22:32.
:22:32. > :22:40.agreed to give us this personal Happy to pull chill autumn day.
:22:40. > :22:46.What could possibly be bad about it? -- Abu to Pope. I supper for a
:22:46. > :22:55.clinic -- from clinical depression and for me it can all be seen
:22:55. > :23:00.through a green filter. It is a profound awareness, an illness that
:23:00. > :23:07.affects you to the very core. You get feelings of alienation, feeling
:23:07. > :23:12.terribly isolated, terrible feelings of fear, intense fear. You
:23:12. > :23:22.have fear of other people and the world around you, Ian of nature,
:23:22. > :23:24.
:23:24. > :23:29.theme of yourself. -- view of nature. Society's attitude to is
:23:29. > :23:36.not always good. People used to think that they were possessed by
:23:36. > :23:45.demons or witches and were persecuted. The whisky courted by
:23:45. > :23:54.communities. Unfortunately, not much has changed. It is that little
:23:54. > :24:00.thing, -- it is a brutal thing to marginalise people were already at
:24:00. > :24:05.a very low ebb. Recent statistics have shown an increase in the
:24:05. > :24:12.amount of anti-depressants used in Wales. It is hardly surprising as
:24:12. > :24:18.we go through difficult times. The question that then arises, is
:24:18. > :24:25.whether medication is the right way to go about treating it. The answer
:24:25. > :24:30.is in the short term, yes, but not may be in the long term. I have
:24:30. > :24:36.taken them from a long period of time. But there are about
:24:36. > :24:41.treatments involved including a change of lifestyle and getting a
:24:41. > :24:46.decent repeat job, didn't you have your family, these are things that
:24:46. > :24:55.might not happen. Medication will be wet this for quite a long time
:24:55. > :24:59.to come, I think. There are things you can do. When you see someone in
:24:59. > :25:06.work have been holding their hit in the hands, or do not walk by, go
:25:06. > :25:11.and sit with them and buy him a cup of tea. Join in a conversation.
:25:11. > :25:18.Indeed to them as human beings. If the do not want to talk then just
:25:18. > :25:23.sit there in benevolent silence. Show them that we're on a civilised
:25:23. > :25:31.and good society. Don't because I am asking you to, do it because it
:25:31. > :25:34.is the right thing to do. A powerful message.
:25:34. > :25:44.Joining me now is Assembly Member Eluned Parrott, and from North
:25:44. > :25:44.
:25:44. > :25:49.Wales, we are joined by mental heath expert Keith Fearns.
:25:49. > :25:56.Eluned Parrott, you went public today but your own health issues,
:25:56. > :25:59.why did you do that? I think it is important that all people see that
:25:59. > :26:04.anybody can have mental health problems and come back from the
:26:04. > :26:08.most Dark places and lead a perfectly the failing light. I
:26:08. > :26:16.wanted to show people that there were positive messages to be told
:26:16. > :26:19.about mental health. Tell us briefly what you experience was.
:26:19. > :26:25.suffered from post-natal depression after the birth of both of my
:26:25. > :26:30.children, most see easily after the second one. I found it
:26:30. > :26:35.disorientating, you lose your sense of self and lose contact with the
:26:35. > :26:43.person that you thought you were. I had to rebuild my life and rethink
:26:43. > :26:47.my priorities. I had to start again from scratch. Keith Fearns, what is
:26:47. > :26:53.your experience of people coming out of these sorts of mental health
:26:53. > :27:00.problems? Do people depend on therapy or can they do a
:27:00. > :27:09.combination of drugs and therapy? Medication alone is not as good as
:27:09. > :27:17.C D T alone but the mixture as the best outcome. What is cognitive
:27:17. > :27:24.behavioural therapy? It is concern about people's actions and how
:27:24. > :27:28.rework. Is it practical advice? Everybody has a way of thinking and
:27:28. > :27:35.a style of thinking, sometimes as time is used: once been of their
:27:35. > :27:40.life but not in others. We are able to help people think about that and
:27:40. > :27:50.act differently. It is a combination. There is a great
:27:50. > :27:53.
:27:53. > :27:58.concern at the moment in Wales that we need are more therapists. We
:27:58. > :28:03.only have 55 in coal of Wales. We also have a problem in Wales with a
:28:03. > :28:08.dependency on drugs and anti- depressants. What is your spot on
:28:08. > :28:14.turning the situation around? concerned that people do not have
:28:14. > :28:19.access to talking therapies. In my own case it was a very positive
:28:19. > :28:24.process and helped me to be built. In terms of drug therapies, it is
:28:24. > :28:29.important not to be frightened to take them and certainly not to stop
:28:29. > :28:36.taking them because the drugs in and of themselves can help you find
:28:36. > :28:40.a stability. On that basis you were more able, I found, to tackle
:28:40. > :28:44.challenging thoughts through a period of therapy. When I first
:28:44. > :28:51.went to the doctor with my problem talking therapy would have been
:28:51. > :28:59.successful, but I was not strong enough to do it. Is it a matter of
:28:59. > :29:03.investment? How can we meet someone like you available to many people
:29:03. > :29:09.where they can access your kind of service more easily? Why is that
:29:09. > :29:12.not happening? But people not entering the profession in Wales?
:29:12. > :29:18.We need the guidance of the Government and the at National
:29:18. > :29:25.Assembly. There needs to be more than 55. There is not enough
:29:25. > :29:32.regular training in Wales. There at 28 training centres in England and
:29:32. > :29:37.none in Wales. England has spent �180 million want training new
:29:37. > :29:44.therapists and that isn't there in Wales. As the Welsh Government get
:29:44. > :29:48.it? I think they have made an effort to get it. I don't think it
:29:48. > :29:52.is fair to say they do not recognise the problem. We have just
:29:52. > :29:55.produced a new strategy. But all the strategy is all not help if
:29:55. > :30:03.there are not implemented with funding to make a change actually
:30:03. > :30:07.happen. It is good of you both to join us. I am sure we will return
:30:07. > :30:10.to this in the months to come. I am sure you have your views on
:30:10. > :30:12.that and a number of other of the issues raised tonight so please get