:00:00. > :00:09.Tonight on the Wales Report. Are the natural resources of Wales being
:00:10. > :00:12.properly protected? There are new concerns about the independence of
:00:13. > :00:16.the body responsible. The latest twist in the debate about more
:00:17. > :00:20.powers for the Welsh Government. We'll be talking to the Secretary of
:00:21. > :00:24.State, David Jones. And why is Wales so slow to promote the interests of
:00:25. > :00:35.women in public life? Stay with us for the Wales Report.
:00:36. > :00:39.Good evening and welcome to The Wales Report. Tonight: A special
:00:40. > :00:45.investigation into the work of Natural Resources Wales. It is a
:00:46. > :00:48.major new body set up last year with a budget of ?180 million, looking
:00:49. > :00:52.after some of the most valuable assets of the Welsh economy. Those
:00:53. > :00:56.resources are worth around ?8 billion. It's meant to be an
:00:57. > :00:59.independent body making crucial decision about the landscape,
:01:00. > :01:03.environment and wildlife of Wales. But how independent is it? And is
:01:04. > :01:08.the Welsh Government exerting an unhealthy influence on the work of
:01:09. > :01:10.the NRW? The Wales Report has seen evidence which raises questions
:01:11. > :01:13.about the relationship, reflecting the concerns of some of those who
:01:14. > :01:26.work inside NRW. Helen Callaghan reports.
:01:27. > :01:32.In Wales, our natural environment is perhaps our greatest asset. Our
:01:33. > :01:36.mountains, rivers and wildlife, the business they attract are worth more
:01:37. > :01:44.than ?8 billion to the Welsh economy each year. The natural environment
:01:45. > :01:51.is crucial to Wales. It is one of our few US peas, unique selling
:01:52. > :01:55.points. For the last 12 months the important task of looking after our
:01:56. > :01:59.environment has been the job of one body, Natural Resources Wales, which
:02:00. > :02:05.is funded by the Welsh Government to operate independently. It has a wide
:02:06. > :02:11.remit with responsibilities for planning, forestry and flood
:02:12. > :02:18.defences to name just a few. With a budget of 177 million and more than
:02:19. > :02:22.2000 staff it is our large -- largest Welsh government-sponsored
:02:23. > :02:25.body. But now, there are serious concerns that the Welsh Government
:02:26. > :02:32.wields too much influence over the bodies decisions. They are meant to
:02:33. > :02:35.be made independently. One of the first big test for Natural Resources
:02:36. > :02:40.Wales was how it dealt with proposals to develop this site into
:02:41. > :02:42.the circuit of Wales racetrack. There are claims it ended up
:02:43. > :02:49.backtracking on decisions already made by his predecessor, the
:02:50. > :02:54.countryside Council for Wales. It objected to the plan in March last
:02:55. > :02:56.year and recommended it be refused as Israelis significant
:02:57. > :03:07.environmental concerns. It would have an adverse effect. -- it would
:03:08. > :03:13.raise significant environmental concerns. It listed everything from
:03:14. > :03:19.noise and light pollution to the impact on biodiversity. Just months
:03:20. > :03:23.later, it actually alter its recommendation that the application
:03:24. > :03:29.be refused saying all the concerns could be dealt with and the plan
:03:30. > :03:33.could now go ahead. The Wales report has been shown e-mails written by
:03:34. > :03:40.the late Morgan Parry, a former NRW board member. The e-mails show
:03:41. > :03:43.frustration that staff are being asked to change the recommendations
:03:44. > :03:47.despite no new evidence coming to light. I don't know who wrote our
:03:48. > :04:15.submission. It painted a picture of an
:04:16. > :04:22.organisation where environmental governance seem to have been totally
:04:23. > :04:26.bypassed. When decisions were made by an individual of a small number
:04:27. > :04:31.of individuals, ignoring scientific evidence, ignoring advice from its
:04:32. > :04:36.own officials. It argued the case of circuit of Wales may not be an
:04:37. > :04:40.isolated example. The Wales reporter spoken to a senior staff member who
:04:41. > :04:44.claims that advice and decisions have been changed as a result of
:04:45. > :04:49.pressure from the Welsh Government. The staff member wants to remain
:04:50. > :04:52.anonymous but believes the organisation is failing to provide
:04:53. > :04:58.the independent expertise needed to protect the environment. From day
:04:59. > :05:01.one of the new organisation it is Cleo the Welsh Government ministers
:05:02. > :05:05.and officials expected to have a strong day-to-day influence on the
:05:06. > :05:06.decisions and advice of Natural Resources Wales.
:05:07. > :05:30.Helen Callaghan reporting their statement goes on to say that
:05:31. > :05:33.NRW's executive team haven't challenged the pressure being
:05:34. > :05:37.applied by the Welsh Government, they themselves have put substantial
:05:38. > :05:40.pressure on staff to come with the right answer for Welsh Government
:05:41. > :05:48.even when that is though evidence to support it. I does recognise that at
:05:49. > :05:52.all. We much depend on the advice coming forward from our staff and we
:05:53. > :05:57.support that advice. They are not given a steel on any kind of answer
:05:58. > :06:01.we expect all we want. We look at the evidence in front of us, we hear
:06:02. > :06:07.the advice of the staff and we implement on that. Does it surprise
:06:08. > :06:12.you that there are certain people who feel that way? Any organisation
:06:13. > :06:17.which is new, which is undergoing a period of change, yes, there will be
:06:18. > :06:25.people who are uncertain about their position. We are trying to take an
:06:26. > :06:28.overall holistic approach. Ringing together the various disciplines
:06:29. > :06:34.from the predecessor bodies to arrive at a similar conclusion.
:06:35. > :06:38.Criticisms of NRW don't centre on its independence from Welsh
:06:39. > :06:45.Government influence. The concern is the body's focus is spread too
:06:46. > :06:52.thinly over too wide a remote which includes the 280,000 hectares of
:06:53. > :06:57.woodland. When it was first put forward, we were quite concerned
:06:58. > :07:02.that we were losing an organisation which had a forestry focus. What we
:07:03. > :07:07.are seeing at the moment is a certain amount of disorganisation.
:07:08. > :07:13.Do you feel you are managing to fulfil that wide remit? We are
:07:14. > :07:17.unique organisation but we are managing all that work very well in
:07:18. > :07:24.my opinion. I am pleased with things. We're looking at things from
:07:25. > :07:31.an overall perspective which did not exist before. They have had nearly
:07:32. > :07:37.12 months. They have got the next year to sort themselves out. We have
:07:38. > :07:47.to see results. Joining me now is the Minister for Natural Resources,
:07:48. > :07:54.Alun Davies. Is this an independent body or not?
:07:55. > :08:00.It certainly is. The big story is there is no story at all. When I
:08:01. > :08:03.wrote the order, when I sighed the order bringing Natural Resources
:08:04. > :08:08.Wales into existence a year ago, I remember this duty was full of these
:08:09. > :08:13.Jeremiahs wringing hands and telling is nothing was going to work. The
:08:14. > :08:18.whole place would collapse. Since then, the BBC has not run a
:08:19. > :08:24.single-storey in the last year on all of those scare stories and all
:08:25. > :08:32.of those scare tactics we had a year ago. NRW is in a smooth and
:08:33. > :08:38.controlled fashion. They have had to deal with the biggest challenge.
:08:39. > :08:44.That was from floods, to storms, to forestry and three disease. It is
:08:45. > :08:47.succeeding in your view because it is carrying out its work
:08:48. > :08:53.independently or because you are telling it what to do? It is
:08:54. > :08:59.listening to advice from its own specialists and giving us advice.
:09:00. > :09:05.For example, you have spent the last two or three months reporting on the
:09:06. > :09:10.chaos in England about the floods. You haven't been reporting about
:09:11. > :09:16.that in Wales. We haven't seen the same chaos in Wales. You have got
:09:17. > :09:22.somebody like NRW investing in flood defences and the management of them.
:09:23. > :09:27.We have already ensured that all the funding required to rebuild the
:09:28. > :09:33.flood defences in places like Aberystwyth has been delivered. That
:09:34. > :09:37.is done as a consequence of the work of NRW, both managing and leading
:09:38. > :09:43.the response to the storms. But also understanding the impact on that.
:09:44. > :09:47.NRW didn't just respond to what happened in those storms are both
:09:48. > :09:52.planned how we should respond in future. I have listened to them.
:09:53. > :09:59.What is your relationship with them? Do you intervene and meddle in
:10:00. > :10:03.what they do? I have just provided a remote letter for the next year.
:10:04. > :10:09.That'll outlined the main areas and want them to focus on and the areas
:10:10. > :10:14.I want them to lead on in the next 12 months. That is about dealing
:10:15. > :10:18.with green growth, investing in sustainable management of our
:10:19. > :10:22.natural resources and to ensure largely unable to provide the advice
:10:23. > :10:27.we need in government. I understand the sensitivity around the circuit
:10:28. > :10:33.of Wales but that is the kind of case people have brought up. They
:10:34. > :10:39.have said that is why the are concerned about the independence of
:10:40. > :10:47.this new body. What can you say to reassure them? A single anonymous
:10:48. > :10:56.source, that is a generalised... What about Morgan Parry? The person
:10:57. > :11:00.you quoted was anonymous. Look at the practice of the work that NRW is
:11:01. > :11:08.doing daily in, day out, throughout its first year. It has delivered on
:11:09. > :11:12.its expectations and I expectations. We are building on a firm
:11:13. > :11:16.foundation. When you look at the organisation, the number of staff,
:11:17. > :11:22.the focus will be slightly changed from where it was before. You
:11:23. > :11:26.mentioned forestry and timber work, concerned about how efficiently that
:11:27. > :11:37.is being run. You happy with that? Certainly. Does criticisms I have
:11:38. > :11:43.heard in the last 365 days. The real challenge facing NRW in the next
:11:44. > :11:48.year isn't what was in the film but is in working as a part of the
:11:49. > :11:55.country of Wales in protecting and managing our naturally is. And doing
:11:56. > :12:02.that independently? Yes, but also changing how we do governance in
:12:03. > :12:07.Wales. We want to say this is how we can manage developments. This is how
:12:08. > :12:21.we can manage sustainability. This is how we can deliver. We want to
:12:22. > :12:25.see economic growth. We want our natural resources contributed to it.
:12:26. > :12:31.That is a fantastic challenge for NRW, it is a fantastic opportunity
:12:32. > :12:40.for Wales. I want to work with NRW to see that vision. You dismiss most
:12:41. > :12:45.of the film but it is to do with the culture of this new body. Whether
:12:46. > :12:48.you as a minister are ready to give it a bit of space to make its
:12:49. > :12:54.decision without looking over his shoulder all the time, worrying
:12:55. > :13:00.about what you might be thinking. It is hard the space to take those
:13:01. > :13:10.decisions. That it has had. The point that you are making are
:13:11. > :13:16.correct. It -- that there is need to be a culture change. It can't be a
:13:17. > :13:23.body that says no to everybody. That must not be how NRW operates. It
:13:24. > :13:28.must recognise its role is to manage the natural resources of Wales in a
:13:29. > :13:33.sustainable way. It is not for me to say how that is achieved. That is up
:13:34. > :13:37.for the senior management team and all the staff of NRW to deliver on
:13:38. > :13:41.the ambitions that all of us shared across Wales. Minister, thank you
:13:42. > :13:44.very much. It was pensions and bingo that
:13:45. > :13:47.dominated the headlines following last week's Budget so maybe only the
:13:48. > :13:50.very observant would have noticed the Chancellor's reference to The
:13:51. > :13:54.Wales Bill which sets out plans for the further devolution of tax and
:13:55. > :13:58.borrowing powers. The bill was published the day after the Budget.
:13:59. > :14:01.If it becomes law, it would give the Welsh Government the power to borrow
:14:02. > :14:05.more money to fund major projects, and subject to a Yes vote in a
:14:06. > :14:10.referendum there would be scope to adjust income tax. There are some
:14:11. > :14:12.who see this as a positive development, others accuse the
:14:13. > :14:24.coalition government of having less than honourable intentions. We will
:14:25. > :14:27.not be seeking income tax varying powers in future. We fear there is a
:14:28. > :14:37.trap being laid for the Welsh people by the Conservative party. Labour is
:14:38. > :14:40.used to the regular attacks by David Cameron, who accuses the Labour
:14:41. > :14:43.government in Wales of a disastrous record, especially on education and
:14:44. > :14:47.health. There are people on NHS waiting lists dying in Wales because
:14:48. > :14:52.the waiting lists are too long because the NHS is not being
:14:53. > :14:56.properly managed and Wales. They need to get their act together. In
:14:57. > :14:59.just 14 months, people will vote in the General Election. To what extent
:15:00. > :15:02.will Mr Cameron's campaign feature Wales as a weapon to attack Labour?
:15:03. > :15:08.Joining me now from our Westminster studio is the Secretary of State for
:15:09. > :15:16.Wales, David Jones. Is that a concern? I think people will have to
:15:17. > :15:22.examine what Labour do in power than the closest example that we have at
:15:23. > :15:26.the moment is Wales. The only part of the country in which they are
:15:27. > :15:31.actually in power, and it is right people should examine it very
:15:32. > :15:34.closely. If people get the impression that David Cameron is
:15:35. > :15:40.brandishing Wales as a basket case, how does that leave us? I do not
:15:41. > :15:44.think that is the case but it cannot be ignored that Wales has the worst
:15:45. > :15:52.health outcomes and education is on the decline and economic development
:15:53. > :15:55.has not doing too well. I think it is an parallel right to examine what
:15:56. > :16:02.has happened in Wales and compare it with the UK. When you look at
:16:03. > :16:07.coverage in our newspapers, should Wales be getting this coverage and
:16:08. > :16:13.what does that say to investors? I would say it is a challenge to the
:16:14. > :16:17.Welsh government to get the house in order and stuff like the remarks by
:16:18. > :16:24.Mark Draper about bagging Wales from the mud is not the right answer.
:16:25. > :16:29.They should be ensuring Wales gets the same standard of care as the
:16:30. > :16:34.rest of Britain and they are entitled to it. To pretend there is
:16:35. > :16:40.no problem is not really good enough. How will the Wales Bill will
:16:41. > :16:48.change things? What it will do in terms of fiscal accountability is
:16:49. > :16:54.the Volvo two small taxes, but what it'll do addition is the Volvo to
:16:55. > :17:03.the assembly the power to hold a referendum. -- devolve. 10p of each
:17:04. > :17:09.band of tax will be given to the assembly if there is our yes vote.
:17:10. > :17:12.We think the assembly government should be grasping the opportunity
:17:13. > :17:17.for going for a referendum as early as possible, and that would have to
:17:18. > :17:22.be predicated on the pledge to reduce the Welsh rate of tax, and I
:17:23. > :17:27.think that is a massive opportunity for the Welsh government. Do you
:17:28. > :17:32.recognise the claim by Labour and others that this is a trap you are
:17:33. > :17:36.setting? Not at all. If the Welsh government want to be treated as a
:17:37. > :17:41.McEwan institution and be held accountable, they need to be in a
:17:42. > :17:45.position where they can see we are responsible for this element of tax
:17:46. > :17:51.and will treat it with respect and deliver a lower rate of tax. I think
:17:52. > :17:54.that is a massive opportunity to grow the Welsh economy and it also
:17:55. > :17:59.gives them access to a larger borrowings dream which is what the
:18:00. > :18:03.Labour Party say they want. Why would it make sense to embrace these
:18:04. > :18:11.powers of the fundamental settlement is not in place? Carwyn Jones may
:18:12. > :18:16.see that but his administration agreed with us in 2012, a formula by
:18:17. > :18:23.which the issue of convergence would be examined at this stage. This has
:18:24. > :18:29.happened and what expenditure at a national level declining, there is
:18:30. > :18:34.less likely to be convergence. I think it looks awfully like the
:18:35. > :18:38.Welsh government making excuses for not taking on the accountability
:18:39. > :18:45.that I think people want to see. Are they also when your view making
:18:46. > :18:51.excuses about rail electrification? Rail electrification is important to
:18:52. > :18:55.South Wales. We made the commitment and entered agreement with the Welsh
:18:56. > :18:59.government and that was evidenced in correspondence between Justin
:19:00. > :19:06.Greening and Carl Sargeant, the Welsh Minister. There is also a long
:19:07. > :19:09.audit Trail of correspondence following that which makes it
:19:10. > :19:13.absolutely clear what we have the United Kingdom government are doing
:19:14. > :19:18.and what they as the Welsh government had expected to do,
:19:19. > :19:23.including most importantly an e-mail from the office of rail regulation
:19:24. > :19:28.that says the Welsh government would pay for the relevant work. I think
:19:29. > :19:31.that really what people want to see is the lion lecture five and rather
:19:32. > :19:40.than engaging in megaphone diplomacy, I would prefer if he ask
:19:41. > :19:44.Edwina Hart to have an early meeting with Patrick McLoughlin, the
:19:45. > :19:51.transport secretary, and resolve whatever difficulties they seem to
:19:52. > :19:54.have. If you cannot afford, talk to the transport secretary, but to
:19:55. > :20:01.engage in this sort of grandstanding does not help matters much. When the
:20:02. > :20:04.Prime Minister said, I know we need these infrastructure investments in
:20:05. > :20:07.Wales and it is this government that is putting money into
:20:08. > :20:12.electrification, and of course the Valley lines. When he said that was
:20:13. > :20:18.he wrong to include the Valley lines? The Prime Minister indicated
:20:19. > :20:22.we are supporting directly and indirectly the upgrading of the
:20:23. > :20:25.infrastructure, but really, one has to look at the correspondence that
:20:26. > :20:31.has continued between ministers and between officials in the Department
:20:32. > :20:35.of Transport and the Welsh government. It is absolutely crystal
:20:36. > :20:40.clear of the Welsh government weren't going to be paying for the
:20:41. > :20:43.portion of the work, and if they are now saying they are having
:20:44. > :20:52.difficulty affording that, they should be speaking to the transport
:20:53. > :20:59.secretary. Thank you for joining us. It seems big business is becoming
:21:00. > :21:05.less of a man's world. Women now account for 20% of board members in
:21:06. > :21:09.FTSE 100 companies, but it is not reflected in Wales. New research
:21:10. > :21:12.shows little progress has been made in getting more women into positions
:21:13. > :21:15.of power and influence. The Wales Report has surveyed 61 of Wales's
:21:16. > :21:19.key public sector organisations and just one in five is led by a woman.
:21:20. > :21:22.In the private sector, the latest figures from the Equality and Human
:21:23. > :21:25.Rights Commission Wales found that among the 100 top companies
:21:26. > :21:28.operating in Wales, just two had female chief executives.
:21:29. > :21:34.In the world of politics, just seven of 40 Welsh MPs are women. There are
:21:35. > :21:38.three members of the Welsh cabinet and just over a quarter of
:21:39. > :21:41.councillors in Wales are women. In a moment I'll be talking with one of
:21:42. > :21:43.Wales's most prominent business women, Laura Tenison, about the
:21:44. > :21:46.challenges. But first, Professor Laura McAllister, chair of Sport
:21:47. > :21:47.Wales, offers her thoughts on getting more women into boardrooms
:21:48. > :22:10.and businesses. When I was playing football, when I
:22:11. > :22:15.got selected to play for Wales I believe that was because I was the
:22:16. > :22:21.best player in that position. I don't think that happens in other
:22:22. > :22:25.areas of professional life, because there are whole layer of more
:22:26. > :22:34.complex factors that determine how women get selected to do things.
:22:35. > :22:39.In lots of environments, it becomes apparent that the setup, whether the
:22:40. > :22:43.meeting or conference or dialogue, has been designed by men for men so
:22:44. > :22:49.often it is the loudest voice that gains most credibility. The
:22:50. > :22:53.traditional setup for the lot of leadership situations has been very
:22:54. > :22:59.old-fashioned and I think it is important that by having more
:23:00. > :23:04.diverse leaders we push the boundaries and debunk them as valid
:23:05. > :23:09.ways of operating a business. I do not tolerate lack of diversity
:23:10. > :23:18.at any stage in our organisation, so we would put up -- never put up a
:23:19. > :23:22.panel of all-male Laurel female voices to speak to an audience
:23:23. > :23:30.because I think it is important to have different views and life
:23:31. > :23:35.experiences. There are lots of men and women who
:23:36. > :23:42.would say, I want to be chosen on merit, not simply because I'm a
:23:43. > :23:48.woman only black person. I understand that but let's examine
:23:49. > :23:52.that meritocracy concepts. If you really believe that we
:23:53. > :23:58.operate according to a meritocracy, you need to ask yourself, why 80% of
:23:59. > :24:03.the powerful jobs in Wales held by men? What I always say when I talk
:24:04. > :24:08.to audiences about this is especially fathers with daughters,
:24:09. > :24:11.are you comfortable with the fact your eight-year-old daughter will
:24:12. > :24:18.not have the opportunities as you have eight-year-old son? The answers
:24:19. > :24:22.is one of complete horror. We have two really accelerate the changes
:24:23. > :24:26.that are happening and unless we are prepared to sacrifice our daughters
:24:27. > :24:31.and their daughters until we get proper equality.
:24:32. > :24:35.That was Laura McAllister, chair of Sport Wales. Joining me now is Laura
:24:36. > :24:48.Tenison who founded JoJoMamanBebe, the high street clothing chain for
:24:49. > :24:55.babies and mothers. Good to have you back. It was a bit depressing in
:24:56. > :25:01.those terms because she laid it on the line. What is your analysis of
:25:02. > :25:05.what is still going wrong and 2014 in trying to correct this balance?
:25:06. > :25:13.We have to remember how far we've come. When I was growing up, gender
:25:14. > :25:18.stereotyping from childhood was rife. Today's parents want their
:25:19. > :25:23.children to succeed regardless of their gender and I think things are
:25:24. > :25:31.improving, have improved hugely in the last 20 years, and if we put
:25:32. > :25:41.quarters in place, it could set us back at least ten years. -- quotas.
:25:42. > :25:45.Her point is if we have an open meritocracy it is not getting as the
:25:46. > :25:51.results so maybe it is time to look at more rigorous ways of forcing the
:25:52. > :25:59.balance? Yes, but they do not give the right impression. If we become
:26:00. > :26:05.talk ends on board we will get more discrimination. Where men can prove
:26:06. > :26:10.they are good at their job. It is like the here and tortoise. Women
:26:11. > :26:15.can run businesses for longevity without too many mistakes and men
:26:16. > :26:20.rush ahead looking for an exit strategy. When a look at building
:26:21. > :26:25.communities. It is well proven that women reinvest their local
:26:26. > :26:32.businesses and run businesses with a safe mantra. Ambition is something I
:26:33. > :26:36.want to talk about because Laura mentioned the eight-year-old girl in
:26:37. > :26:40.comparison with her brother. Is there a problem with levels of
:26:41. > :26:45.ambition in particular in Wales and those that become more acute
:26:46. > :26:51.relating to young girls and teenage girls looking at career prospects? I
:26:52. > :26:59.get slightly depressed when I see how obsessed with fat US seems some
:27:00. > :27:04.of the generals in this country are, because the reality is we should be
:27:05. > :27:11.aspiring to be brain surgeons or at least managers in the workplace. The
:27:12. > :27:16.other statistic that stood out was 80% of top jobs in Wales are held by
:27:17. > :27:22.men. Is that simply a traditional cultural thing? Is that really
:27:23. > :27:27.telling us that in 2014 we still have attitudes which are frankly
:27:28. > :27:31.old-fashioned and I am wondering is Wales lagging behind the rest of the
:27:32. > :27:39.UK? We absolutely are lagging behind. We are something like three
:27:40. > :27:46.percentage points behind the UK and it is something that needs to be
:27:47. > :27:50.done but not with a quota. We need to accept that where men are good at
:27:51. > :27:53.things and promote them. We hold ourselves back and lack the
:27:54. > :27:59.confidence. When you need a job done, ask a busy woman. She will fit
:28:00. > :28:07.it somehow rant juggle everything else. Where men are very good at
:28:08. > :28:13.multitasking in a way men are not always. We need to be careful not to
:28:14. > :28:18.gender stereotype ourselves but the reality is where men are great at
:28:19. > :28:23.adding diversity to the workplace and adding qualities men do not
:28:24. > :28:27.always have. In Wales, we have a lot of dinosaurs and that comes from the
:28:28. > :28:32.fact we had male dominated industries in the past but things
:28:33. > :28:36.are changing, so let's just be patient and let the dinosaurs
:28:37. > :28:40.retired and there is a new breed of ambitious girls coming through. I
:28:41. > :28:43.think we will have a different story in about ten years.
:28:44. > :28:47.That's all we have time for tonight. We'll be taking a break for a few
:28:48. > :28:50.weeks, but will return to your screens after Easter. In the
:28:51. > :28:53.meantime you can get in touch with us about the issues discussed
:28:54. > :28:54.tonight, or indeed anything else. Email us at
:28:55. > :28:57.thewalesreport@bbc.co.uk, and we are Twitter: @thewalesreport.
:28:58. > :29:02.Thanks for watching. Good night. Nos da.