:00:00. > :00:08.In three days time, the people of Scotland head to the
:00:09. > :00:12.polls and decide whether or not to break away from the United Kingdom.
:00:13. > :00:15.Whether it's a Yes or a No, the status quo is not an option.
:00:16. > :00:22.So what will the result mean for Wales?
:00:23. > :00:38.Sit tight for a lively half hour here on the Wales Report.
:00:39. > :00:43.Good evening, welcome to a special edition of the Wales Report,
:00:44. > :00:46.live from the Senedd on BBC One Wales and BBC Radio Wales.
:00:47. > :00:50.On Thursday, the people of Scotland will head to the polls to cast one
:00:51. > :00:53.of the most important votes in the democratic history of the
:00:54. > :00:59.United Kingdom and the polls suggest it's going to be very close indeed.
:01:00. > :01:01.Tonight we'll be asking representatives from the four main
:01:02. > :01:05.parties here for their take on how the result of the referendum could
:01:06. > :01:09.shape our future here in Wales; will it mean further devolution?
:01:10. > :01:11.Speaking for Welsh Labour we have Leighton Andrews,
:01:12. > :01:14.just re-appointed to the cabinet as the minister for Public Services.
:01:15. > :01:19.We have the leaders of all three oppostion parties
:01:20. > :01:21.in the Aassembly, Andrew RT Davies of the Conservatives, Kirsty
:01:22. > :01:24.Williams of the Liberal Democrats and Leanne Wood of Plaid Cymru.
:01:25. > :01:27.Our audience tonight is split between those who support Scottish
:01:28. > :01:30.Independence and think it's a good thing for Wales, those who oppose,
:01:31. > :01:35.You too can join the debate on social media using
:01:36. > :01:39.And straight after this programme the debate
:01:40. > :01:44.continues at nine on BBC Radio Wales when we'll be taking your calls.
:01:45. > :01:47.So to kick us off, let's get straight to
:01:48. > :01:51.the first big question, and it comes this evening from Alex Bird.What
:01:52. > :02:10.will be the impact of Thursday's vote on the UK as a whole?
:02:11. > :02:17.Leighton Andrews. It is an exciting time and we will see change across
:02:18. > :02:22.the UK whether Scotland votes yes or no. I hope Scotland will vote no. I
:02:23. > :02:26.think we're better together. There will be more powers for Scotland,
:02:27. > :02:31.more powers for Wales. People will look at the situation in England as
:02:32. > :02:35.well and will have to be a reform of the second chamber in the House of
:02:36. > :02:41.Lords so represents the nations and regions of the UK. There is a big
:02:42. > :02:46.offer available from all the Westminster -based parties. Leanne
:02:47. > :02:58.Wood for what Cymru. Things have changed already. What we have seen
:02:59. > :03:04.in Scotland is that people have become engaged and well-informed. I
:03:05. > :03:07.would say that democracy has been reborn. If we could emulate a
:03:08. > :03:12.similar national conversation in Wales to which they have had in
:03:13. > :03:15.Scotland, not only would this be good for Welsh society that I think
:03:16. > :03:21.it would be good for Welsh democracy. Andrew RT Davies, where
:03:22. > :03:32.do you stand on this? You used the word impact. It has had made an
:03:33. > :03:36.awareness through the UK. There will be changes, there is no doubt about
:03:37. > :03:42.that. The offer on the table should the people of Scotland vote no is
:03:43. > :03:46.for a dramatic transfer of responsibility north of the border.
:03:47. > :03:51.You can't take Scotland in isolation but you shouldn't read Scotland for
:03:52. > :03:56.Wales. I think we have a whole host of different arguments and debates.
:03:57. > :04:02.We will come onto those. Kirsty Williams, on this point. I think
:04:03. > :04:07.whatever the results, and I hope Scotland decide to stay with us, I
:04:08. > :04:11.think they will be a new union, they will be new politics taking power
:04:12. > :04:16.out of Westminster and bringing it closer to people whether that be in
:04:17. > :04:21.Scotland, Northern Ireland, in the regions of England and from my
:04:22. > :04:27.perspective, more importantly, we need home rule for Wales. We have
:04:28. > :04:32.three parties against independence and we have one in favour. What has
:04:33. > :04:38.gone wrong with your campaign? Who is to blame for the fact you were 20
:04:39. > :04:40.gone wrong with your campaign? Who with you. It is easy to sell a
:04:41. > :04:45.positive. I don't think with you. It is easy to sell a
:04:46. > :04:47.gone wrong. Those people have had put before them by the no campaign
:04:48. > :04:52.is the stark reality of what will put before them by the no campaign
:04:53. > :04:54.happen if you vote yes on Thursday. Have you got that message across? I
:04:55. > :04:58.have always thought that is Have you got that message across? I
:04:59. > :05:04.get closer as we got Have you got that message across? I
:05:05. > :05:09.vote. That was inevitable. That has always been the emphasis. I expected
:05:10. > :05:16.to see those polls close. I think it'll be just enough. Leanne Wood.
:05:17. > :05:21.Has the momentum shifted? Is shifting to know? This has been
:05:22. > :05:24.Has the momentum shifted? Is David and Goliath battle. Nobody
:05:25. > :05:27.expected the yes campaign to be neck and neck as the out
:05:28. > :05:29.expected the yes campaign to be neck campaign. What we have had is the
:05:30. > :05:33.established, Westminster parties campaign. What we have had is the
:05:34. > :05:36.against the meetings in the Townhall. We have had the corporate
:05:37. > :05:39.media against social media. It has been a David and Goliath battle and
:05:40. > :05:44.the Yes been a David and Goliath battle and
:05:45. > :05:47.possession they are, but they are. I been a David and Goliath battle and
:05:48. > :05:52.think the time to dissect what went right and wrong will come
:05:53. > :05:57.afterwards. What is absolutely clear is we have two, those who believe in
:05:58. > :05:59.a union, have to make a positive case of fight the union should be
:06:00. > :06:07.reformed, yes, case of fight the union should be
:06:08. > :06:11.question. For balance, your pro independence. I am definitely
:06:12. > :06:15.pro-independence and independence. I am definitely
:06:16. > :06:16.goes, Wales should follow. I feel that we will still be
:06:17. > :06:26.goes, Wales should follow. I feel The European Union. Independence in
:06:27. > :06:32.a union? It works in the same way the UK's independence within the
:06:33. > :06:35.European Union. We're not going completely alone. We are working in
:06:36. > :06:37.partnership with all the other countries of Europe. Let's move on.
:06:38. > :06:40.Now let's move away from Scotland and the rest of the UK,
:06:41. > :06:45.Our next question is from Charlotte Walmsley.
:06:46. > :06:49.Whatever the result on Thursday, should Wales get more devolved
:06:50. > :07:03.What do you think, Charlotte? I believe this is a great opportunity
:07:04. > :07:09.for us to re-examine our position in the UK and I think whether Scotland
:07:10. > :07:14.stays or goes, it is important we take this opportunity to look at the
:07:15. > :07:21.situation. The gentleman in the back row. More powers? Who is speaking
:07:22. > :07:22.situation. The gentleman in the back Carwyn Jones, says he
:07:23. > :07:27.situation. The gentleman in the back pound that he has no power. He said
:07:28. > :07:32.he wanted the lockstep, he didn't want it. The Welsh Labour MPs voted
:07:33. > :07:36.against it. He wanted a want it. The Welsh Labour MPs voted
:07:37. > :07:41.constitutional convention, Ed want it. The Welsh Labour MPs voted
:07:42. > :07:45.for the people of Wales? We will take that as a point. In the back
:07:46. > :07:55.there, the lady in the back. More powers for Wales? No, I would
:07:56. > :07:57.definitely say no. I would also ask the politicians of keeping the union
:07:58. > :08:06.together whether the parties the politicians of keeping the union
:08:07. > :08:10.the verge of break-up perhaps. All respects to Leanne Wood, I don't
:08:11. > :08:12.support your views. The Nationalists have been putting forward arguments
:08:13. > :08:18.support your views. The Nationalists of 15 years in favour of separation.
:08:19. > :08:24.Unionists have not done the same. I think, really, there is lot of work
:08:25. > :08:30.to be done to bring the UK back together. Let's kick this one off,
:08:31. > :08:36.Andrew RT Davies. That is constant debate about the responsibilities of
:08:37. > :08:40.this institution and whatever government should come out of it
:08:41. > :08:44.should use as an executive. I don't think responsibility should be
:08:45. > :08:48.transferred just for the sake of responsibility only if it improves
:08:49. > :08:55.peoples lives. What powers through July as a Westminster government? We
:08:56. > :08:59.have The Wales Bill going through the House of Commons at the moment
:09:00. > :09:05.which is dealing with the recommendations in the Silk
:09:06. > :09:09.Commission. The bill of that for those who aren't familiar, it was a
:09:10. > :09:13.commission that was set up to look into the financial responsibility
:09:14. > :09:16.that should be transferred. Number two is currently in discussion. That
:09:17. > :09:21.would be manifesto commitment territory. We talking about
:09:22. > :09:29.policing, justice, Assembly Members? Leighton Andrews, they are
:09:30. > :09:33.offering and David Cameron is saying take these powers and Carwyn Jones
:09:34. > :09:38.doesn't want to take them. We want the reserve powers model of
:09:39. > :09:44.devolution rather than the system we currently have. Is that going to get
:09:45. > :09:49.people going? We want the borrowing powers that are coming, there are
:09:50. > :09:57.changes underway. What has been good about the debate since the 2011
:09:58. > :10:04.referendum where we campaigned where laws affecting only Wales should be
:10:05. > :10:08.made in Wales. I think the people of Wales like devolution and wants to
:10:09. > :10:12.see it grow. What is now on offer is a debate that we have to have an
:10:13. > :10:18.it'll be resolved through parties in the next general election. It is in
:10:19. > :10:27.the long grass in a way. The next general election is six months away.
:10:28. > :10:32.We have got The Wales Bill. Which powers would relate to see here
:10:33. > :10:37.now? This is a wonderful opportunity to advance the cause of gaining
:10:38. > :10:42.extra powers for Wales. What is really important is we are sending a
:10:43. > :10:45.clear message to the people in Whitehall, who are not going to hand
:10:46. > :10:56.this stuff over. The conservative with a small c. We have two speak
:10:57. > :10:59.with one voice. We have to establish a consensus on how we want Wales to
:11:00. > :11:03.look in the future. For my perspective that is implementing the
:11:04. > :11:09.Silk Commission and using the opportunity The Wales Bill has to
:11:10. > :11:14.bring forward the second part. We need to go into the general election
:11:15. > :11:20.with a very clear look on the second part. Let's avoid the jargon tonight
:11:21. > :11:24.if we can. Ian Ward, do you acknowledge if more powers come here
:11:25. > :11:33.less money comes in from the Treasury. -- Leanne Wood. Can I
:11:34. > :11:37.first of all stay in the -- if that is a no vote, team Westminster have
:11:38. > :11:42.come up with promises full Scotland to have additional powers. I am not
:11:43. > :11:47.convinced that will happen. If we go back to 1979 where there was a
:11:48. > :11:50.referendum in Wales and Scotland, Margaret Thatcher said if Scotland
:11:51. > :11:54.voted no they would be additional powers on the table and they didn't
:11:55. > :11:59.happen. The timetable for Westminster is very tight. Also, a
:12:00. > :12:03.letter I received from the Chief Secretary to the Treasury outlined
:12:04. > :12:10.why it wasn't possible for Wales or indeed any other part of the UK to
:12:11. > :12:19.have a different tax regime to place any part on an advantage to another
:12:20. > :12:24.part. If it is a yes on Thursday, what does that do for independence
:12:25. > :12:28.for Wales? It opens up the question throughout the whole of the UK. We
:12:29. > :12:34.have got a concentration of power and wealth in London. It is acting
:12:35. > :12:38.mainly upper half of the south-east of England. We have the opportunity
:12:39. > :12:41.the power to be transferred out of London and if that happens there is
:12:42. > :12:46.an opportunity for us in Wales to have some of that power. A quick
:12:47. > :12:56.word from the man in the back. What happens to Wales if Scotland votes
:12:57. > :12:59.Yes in the referendum? Scotland produces about as much renewable
:13:00. > :13:03.effigy city as the whole of England despite having a small population.
:13:04. > :13:14.That will leave those with a mountain to climb. -- renewable
:13:15. > :13:21.energy. We will take another one. The lady in red. I wanted to pick up
:13:22. > :13:23.on the point that Leanne Wood made. She doesn't believe the Westminster
:13:24. > :13:29.government will follow through on the promises. I think recent events
:13:30. > :13:32.in politics will show what happens to politicians who don't keep their
:13:33. > :13:36.promises especially when they are made as publicly as that. I think
:13:37. > :13:42.they will do their best to implement what they say they are going to do.
:13:43. > :13:47.On that, Leighton Andrews, there is a promise to Scotland in a way. If
:13:48. > :13:52.you vote no matter, you can have the Barnett formula, this many formula.
:13:53. > :13:57.But you can have more powers to. How does that add up? Let's be clear
:13:58. > :14:03.about something, Leanne Wood tries to claim that only London benefits
:14:04. > :14:08.from the UK. Billions comes to Wales through welfare support, through a
:14:09. > :14:13.whole series of other transfers. We'll know the benefits that brings
:14:14. > :14:18.us. The gentleman there talked about renewable energy. Scotland is well
:14:19. > :14:22.in renewable energy through subsidies from London. What we have
:14:23. > :14:27.got to do now is to ensure we get a fairer funding formula for Wales,
:14:28. > :14:31.that is critical. On that point let's bring in another point about
:14:32. > :14:35.the so-called banners for Miller. You are worried about the way it
:14:36. > :14:47.translates to the many we have. -- the so-called Barnett formula is. In
:14:48. > :14:55.a yes or no vote, how will that affect our health and education?
:14:56. > :15:05.I wonder about what it means for our hospitals and services. We have to
:15:06. > :15:10.look at the financial arrangements. We have already in the government
:15:11. > :15:14.established the principle of Barnett formula so that all sorts of things
:15:15. > :15:18.can't get worse but I think we can go further. We can have Wales on
:15:19. > :15:22.fairer funding because we have not so far had the resources from
:15:23. > :15:26.Westminster because of an outdated way of looking at that funding. We
:15:27. > :15:33.have made a commitment to address that so that we can look after
:15:34. > :15:36.schools and hospitals. Andrew RT Davies, could that lead to more
:15:37. > :15:40.privatisation of the health service here if the money coming London
:15:41. > :15:46.means we don't have it to spend on public services. Ultimately, we are
:15:47. > :15:50.in a union and our transfers resources around the union. Wales
:15:51. > :15:53.benefits, we are beneficiaries of it. We would not have the health
:15:54. > :15:58.service or the education system that we have today if we did not have
:15:59. > :16:03.those resources coming in from the union to support Wales. But what I
:16:04. > :16:07.want to see is a more economic early active Wales which can generate more
:16:08. > :16:13.of its own well. So it is working in parallel with the support the union
:16:14. > :16:17.has given us and with support -- and with ideas coming out of this
:16:18. > :16:20.building and government ideas coming out of this building and government
:16:21. > :16:24.idea is that create its own perspective. Can I bring you in on
:16:25. > :16:34.public services, how could they improve? I agree with the Tories on
:16:35. > :16:38.this question that we need to create more of R.N. Wealth and reduce
:16:39. > :16:43.dependence on London. But the way we are funded at the moment is not
:16:44. > :16:48.fair. There is consensus on that. I think the best chance of getting the
:16:49. > :16:51.Barnett formula reformed is if the Scots vote yes because then it would
:16:52. > :16:57.exist as far as Scotland is concerned. Leighton Andrews, you are
:16:58. > :17:06.the minister for public services, why you making contingency plans?
:17:07. > :17:19.The SUV gentleman up and the -- the issue that the gentleman brought up
:17:20. > :17:24.is... We need to ensure that at the next general election we get a
:17:25. > :17:29.Labour government elected. We had a Labour government before, why did
:17:30. > :17:32.you not sorted out? We did sorted out, spending increased massively
:17:33. > :17:39.and has been cut by the Conservatives. But there is this
:17:40. > :17:43.constant dependence on government giving us the money. If we have
:17:44. > :17:47.fiscal devolution syllabic of create some of R.N. Wealth and having the
:17:48. > :17:51.right policy options, we kept some of that wealth here, there would be
:17:52. > :17:54.an incentive for Leighton Andrews and the worst government to get
:17:55. > :17:57.things right. And the moment, they can make terrible mistakes with the
:17:58. > :18:06.economy because it has no consequences. We are getting
:18:07. > :18:08.devolution for some taxes already. If we have financial devolution
:18:09. > :18:13.there would be an incentive to get things right and keep the money
:18:14. > :18:17.here. You as a party would love to get rid of the Barnett formula,
:18:18. > :18:23.wouldn't you? Lots of other parties would too. But one way of getting
:18:24. > :18:28.rid of it is by Scottish devolution. -- Scottish
:18:29. > :18:33.independence. Barnett would die. Some would argue that is the best
:18:34. > :18:38.thing. I think there is intrinsic value in this union and I think that
:18:39. > :18:44.there are other Aleutians to the Barnett formula. Hiding of Scotland
:18:45. > :18:51.-- there are other solutions. Hiding of Scotland is a drastic solution.
:18:52. > :18:59.We have other ideas. Let's go to the audience. I am supportive of
:19:00. > :19:04.devolution but there is confusion as to who is accountable. Are you going
:19:05. > :19:08.to your MP or your AM if there is a problem. There is a problem. Any
:19:09. > :19:17.Stiggy clarity for the everyday person to know -- there needs to be
:19:18. > :19:21.clarity. And independence, does that make you think let's have the one
:19:22. > :19:29.lot of politicians? No, not necessarily. The gentleman down
:19:30. > :19:32.here. I think if Joel Barnett were alive today he would be one of the
:19:33. > :19:36.campaigners against the formula. alive today he would be one of the
:19:37. > :19:41.Talk about it has been going on for decades, it is a clear indication
:19:42. > :19:43.that we have no real power here in Wales
:19:44. > :19:47.that we have no real power here in Parliament in the UK
:19:48. > :19:51.why should they change the Barnett formula? Is Scotland does well to
:19:52. > :19:56.leave the union and does so, the fact is that Westminster and
:19:57. > :19:59.Whitehall will do everything they can to keep
:20:00. > :20:01.Whitehall will do everything they Ireland part of the UK's leading
:20:02. > :20:07.think Welsh independence would happen. But I
:20:08. > :20:13.think Welsh independence would would have any and -- an even
:20:14. > :20:17.greater presence. There would be Tory MPs and we would never have a
:20:18. > :20:20.Labour government. So what really happens to public services in Wales
:20:21. > :20:24.is that they would get happens to public services in Wales
:20:25. > :20:30.that is what the English and the Tories like to do. I think that is a
:20:31. > :20:35.bizarre thing to say. When you were faced with the financial cliff that
:20:36. > :20:39.we were faced with in 2010, what you do? You have to rein in spending to
:20:40. > :20:43.retain confidence of the markets. But going back to the point of the
:20:44. > :20:50.union and English MPs wishing to take resources away, if you look at
:20:51. > :20:52.the Barnett formula, England does pretty poorly. So that does not show
:20:53. > :20:56.that English MPs pretty poorly. So that does not show
:20:57. > :21:01.in the House of Commons. They appreciate the strength of the
:21:02. > :21:07.union. -- and MPs do not vote selfishly. I hope that everyone will
:21:08. > :21:12.appreciate it as they do in Northern Ireland. Scotland voted Labour in
:21:13. > :21:16.the general election Ireland. Scotland voted Labour in
:21:17. > :21:21.got a government that they did not vote for. That is what people are
:21:22. > :21:23.voting for in Scotland. If they vote yes, it
:21:24. > :21:26.voting for in Scotland. If they vote government they bid for an Scotland,
:21:27. > :21:28.that is what they will get. They will not get a government imposing
:21:29. > :21:33.policies like the bedroom tax, will not get a government imposing
:21:34. > :21:39.mandate that they did not have in their own country. If David Cameron
:21:40. > :21:43.will to ring you, Leighton Andrews and Andrew RT Davies, and ask you
:21:44. > :21:49.what Wales wanted, what does Wales want? Want more power, a fairer
:21:50. > :21:57.funding formula? Which power is exactly? We have made it clear in
:21:58. > :21:59.our response to silk that we want powers to be made
:22:00. > :22:03.our response to silk that we want reality is that we are in this
:22:04. > :22:07.situation because David Cameron did a deal with Alex Salmond to have a
:22:08. > :22:12.referendum in Scotland without consulting any other part of the UK.
:22:13. > :22:15.referendum in Scotland without A big mistake. The
:22:16. > :22:20.referendum in Scotland without put the union in jeopardy. A
:22:21. > :22:25.majority SNP party won the election. So what are you saying, that they
:22:26. > :22:30.should not have respect for the devolved settlement? It is not just
:22:31. > :22:32.about Scotland. Leighton Andrews said that what we want is more
:22:33. > :22:36.powers, I would be said that what we want is more
:22:37. > :22:40.whether that is the Labour position or the Welsh governments position?
:22:41. > :22:42.Because there is a chasm between the Labour Party and the worst
:22:43. > :22:48.government plasma position especially on criminal justice and
:22:49. > :22:53.policing. What worries me is if we don't get our act together in Wales,
:22:54. > :23:00.Wales will be left out of the debate. There is a responsibility on
:23:01. > :23:03.all of us to come together and speak with one voice to make it clear to
:23:04. > :23:08.the Westminster government about what we want for Wales. This kind of
:23:09. > :23:13.arguing will end up with Wales being left on the sidelines and we will be
:23:14. > :23:17.losers. We need clear consensus moving forward with a clear message
:23:18. > :23:22.to Westminster about the aspirations of people here in Wales to have more
:23:23. > :23:29.say over their government. Comments from the audience, the gentleman
:23:30. > :23:34.here? I had 15 years of what you are saying. You
:23:35. > :23:36.here? I had 15 years of what you are powerful Wales, you can't have
:23:37. > :23:42.response military unless you have the power. Unless you can raise the
:23:43. > :23:46.money. I believe Scotland should vote yes, but now I've changed my
:23:47. > :23:51.mind because now I believe that if Scotland goes, Wales will be
:23:52. > :24:01.sidelined altogether. Now I'm for a configuration of states within the
:24:02. > :24:10.UK. A friend -- federal UK. Let's move on to our final question.
:24:11. > :24:14.It is from Sahar Faifi. My question is, whatever the result on Friday,
:24:15. > :24:23.will it be the end of the British identity as we know it? Let's go to
:24:24. > :24:26.Kirsty Williams first. I think how people perceive their identity is a
:24:27. > :24:32.complex thing and I don't dig it has a great deal with lines on maps. --
:24:33. > :24:37.I don't think it has a great deal to do with lines on maps. I am a Welsh
:24:38. > :24:41.person but I'm comfortable with describing myself as British or
:24:42. > :24:47.European. That has nothing to do with the lines on maps or even where
:24:48. > :24:52.power lies. That is how I feel. I am not sure that the vote on Thursday
:24:53. > :24:56.will change that for many people. I'm frightened that the tone of the
:24:57. > :25:00.debate has made people choose and that is an uncomfortable place to
:25:01. > :25:08.be. In terms of Welsh identity, what will it mean? I don't figure for
:25:09. > :25:11.mean anything at all? The refreshing thing about the debate in Scotland
:25:12. > :25:15.is that it has been a civic projects and people have been told that
:25:16. > :25:20.whether they live in Scotland, or regardless of where they live --
:25:21. > :25:26.where they are from originally, they have a stake. From Plaid Cymru's
:25:27. > :25:33.position, that is the same. Could Wales become independent if Scotland
:25:34. > :25:38.goes? It would be a matter for us to assert ourselves and say what powers
:25:39. > :25:42.we want. For me, it is about holding power in the hands of the people.
:25:43. > :25:46.There has been commissioned after commission and politicians have
:25:47. > :25:50.caused more problems than they have helped. Now it should be fully
:25:51. > :25:58.people to decide what we want to hold and what powers we to share. In
:25:59. > :26:01.2016, we should have our own referendum and our own written
:26:02. > :26:06.constitution to be held in the hands of the people. I am proud to be
:26:07. > :26:11.British and to be Welsh. Most people in Wales do not have problems with
:26:12. > :26:17.those dual identities. Others have dual -- al identities they are happy
:26:18. > :26:22.to talk about as well. I worry that if Scotland were to vote yes, that
:26:23. > :26:27.would be the end of what we know as the British identity. And the final
:26:28. > :26:33.words to Andrew RT Davies. Being British has always been an evolving
:26:34. > :26:38.concept throughout the ages. And I believe that we will continue to do
:26:39. > :26:45.so throughout the 21st century. Very proud to be, Cornish, London... That
:26:46. > :26:50.is the beauty of these islands, you can travel the length and breadth of
:26:51. > :26:53.them and you can pick out where you are from the accident that people
:26:54. > :26:58.speak and the culture in that part of the union and above all the
:26:59. > :27:04.freedoms that people enjoy. That is something we give up at our peril.
:27:05. > :27:09.Can I ask everybody, if Scotland says yes, will Wales be because
:27:10. > :27:12.stronger? I think Wales would be weaker in Scotland voted yes. We
:27:13. > :27:17.work well with our Scottish colleagues and with Northern Ireland
:27:18. > :27:21.and England. I hope very much that Scotland won't do that, but whatever
:27:22. > :27:28.does, Wales needs to step -- step up to the plate to make it clear about
:27:29. > :27:31.what our destiny is. I want Scotland to be with us around that
:27:32. > :27:39.negotiation table to shape a union for the 21st-century. I very much
:27:40. > :27:43.think that we will be stronger and what the representatives of the
:27:44. > :27:49.Unionist parties have failed to answer, if we would be better
:27:50. > :27:53.together, why will -- why are we not better already together? Thank you
:27:54. > :27:57.to our panellists and our audience. I don't know of any review has
:27:58. > :27:57.changed their mind in the middle of the undecided voters.
:27:58. > :28:05.Unfortunately that?s all we have time for tonight,
:28:06. > :28:10.On social media, use the hashtag The Wales Report to have your say.
:28:11. > :28:13.We?ll be continuing this discussion over on BBC Radio Wales for
:28:14. > :28:19.the next hour, so you can call me with your thoughts on 03700 100110.
:28:20. > :28:22.And we'll be back with another debate next Sunday to discuss
:28:23. > :28:28.the result of the referendum, whatever that might be,
:28:29. > :28:38.but for now, thanks for joining us. Nos Da i chi - good night.