:00:00. > :00:00.Major changes on the way to the curriculum
:00:07. > :00:09.in Wales, but are teachers getting enough support to implement them?
:00:10. > :00:11.As Paris mourns those killed in the attacks on
:00:12. > :00:16.the city last weekend, we ask what can be done to tackle terrorism?
:00:17. > :00:22.Should there be more female statues in our towns and cities?
:00:23. > :00:36.Good evening and welcome to The Wales Report.
:00:37. > :00:39.On tonight's programme - the world's attention this week has been
:00:40. > :00:44.on Paris, following the attacks on the French capital on Friday night.
:00:45. > :00:47.We'll be discussing what can politicians do to prevent more
:00:48. > :00:50.massacres, with Lord Carlile, a former independent reviewer
:00:51. > :00:56.You too can join the conversation tonight on social
:00:57. > :01:03.But first, major changes are on the way to Welsh classrooms.
:01:04. > :01:07.After the Donaldson Review into the curriculum, the Welsh Government
:01:08. > :01:11.has decided to ditch the current system and give teachers far greater
:01:12. > :01:18.The profession is broadly supportive of the reforms,
:01:19. > :01:21.but unions are warning the Education Minister will have to invest
:01:22. > :01:26.in better training and support if these changes are to be a success.
:01:27. > :01:43.Welsh schools are on the cusp of great change. Teachers are being
:01:44. > :01:49.given more freedom in the classroom. They will be deciding not just how
:01:50. > :01:55.to teach, but also what to teach. For the past 15 years Welsh schools
:01:56. > :02:00.have spun around in a whirlpool of reform. First league tables were
:02:01. > :02:07.abolished, then a dismal performance in league tables -- in exams led to
:02:08. > :02:10.government intervention and the publishing of school performance
:02:11. > :02:15.data. The Donaldson reforms look like they will give teachers more
:02:16. > :02:20.autonomy. Teachers say the Welsh government needs to stick to these
:02:21. > :02:24.reforms for the long-term. I think most headteachers in most
:02:25. > :02:29.establishments would tell you that we are bombarded with reform and
:02:30. > :02:32.changes, and it can be quite baffling at times to know where the
:02:33. > :02:39.emphasis should be. With the Donaldson Review, it is clearly
:02:40. > :02:44.something that has direct impact on the quality of children's lives and
:02:45. > :02:49.learning, and to a great extent, I welcome that clarity. What we cannot
:02:50. > :02:53.have is, in five or six years' time, someone saying we will change
:02:54. > :03:01.direction again and go back. That would knock the stuffing out of the
:03:02. > :03:04.education community. In February, Professor Graham Donaldson came to
:03:05. > :03:10.this school to launches curriculum review. It was radical. He proposed
:03:11. > :03:15.abandoning the National Curriculum in favour of a more proactive
:03:16. > :03:21.approach. There will be more creative in lesson content, while
:03:22. > :03:26.focusing on the key areas of literacy, numerous ceasefires and
:03:27. > :03:31.technology, the arts, and health and well-being. Although the profession
:03:32. > :03:37.is positive about the new approach, teachers unions warned there are
:03:38. > :03:40.challenges. One of which is the need to introduce sufficient support to
:03:41. > :03:45.teachers to adjust to a very different way of teaching. This is a
:03:46. > :03:50.huge change. What teachers will need to deliver this is time for
:03:51. > :03:53.training, investment in the sufficiency of teachers to deliver
:03:54. > :04:03.it, they will need professional develop into, and timetabled time
:04:04. > :04:07.for that training, in order to make it successful. It could think
:04:08. > :04:11.teachers to perform well under the new system is important, but there
:04:12. > :04:16.is a big question over the ability of Welsh teacher training to do this
:04:17. > :04:19.for new entrants. Shortly after the curriculum review was published, a
:04:20. > :04:25.different report said the quality of teacher training in Wales was
:04:26. > :04:29.falling short of test practice around the UK and internationally.
:04:30. > :04:34.The report said the system had deteriorated, and it was at a
:04:35. > :04:39.critical turning point. Everyone has concerns about teacher training in
:04:40. > :04:43.Wales, and that came out clearly in the furlong report. One thing there
:04:44. > :04:47.was it said there was a decline in the quality of teacher training in
:04:48. > :04:51.the last few years, and I think the Welsh government took their eye off
:04:52. > :04:56.the ball. The minister has said we will have an in-depth shake-up of
:04:57. > :05:01.the whole system. We now need to see some concrete detail about how we
:05:02. > :05:06.will go forward, because there are many concerns that need to be
:05:07. > :05:11.addressed. Poor teacher morale is also flagged up by the unions as a
:05:12. > :05:16.potential problem. Funding is another sore point. Teaching unions
:05:17. > :05:21.have long complained about Welsh pupils receiving less per head than
:05:22. > :05:25.their English counterparts. They feel the government spending squeeze
:05:26. > :05:32.could undermine the Donaldson reforms. For too long, we have been
:05:33. > :05:36.doing education on the cheap. When England was spending loads of money
:05:37. > :05:40.on education, we were not. We have fallen behind, and the next
:05:41. > :05:45.government needs to prioritise education, and we need to spend more
:05:46. > :05:50.money on our children, as they are the future. The new curriculum is
:05:51. > :05:56.already being designed, and the plan is it will be piloted by a group of
:05:57. > :05:59.pioneer schools from 2018. In 2021, it will be rolled out to schools
:06:00. > :06:01.across Wales. Felicity Evans reporting. Earlier, I
:06:02. > :06:03.spoke to the Education Minister, Huw Lewis, in
:06:04. > :06:12.the Senedd. The Welsh government has admitted
:06:13. > :06:19.taking its eye off the ball when it comes to education, but all of these
:06:20. > :06:23.changes coming in now, doesn't that suggest that you didn't just take
:06:24. > :06:27.your eye off the ball, you got it completely wrong? No. This is a
:06:28. > :06:32.recognition that the world doesn't stand still. What we need is a
:06:33. > :06:36.curriculum for our schools, and professional development for our
:06:37. > :06:40.teachers, that addresses the needs of the 21st-century. We need to
:06:41. > :06:46.equip our young people with the skills they need for a New World. So
:06:47. > :06:50.they haven't had those skills? We need to look at a new curriculum
:06:51. > :06:55.that addresses things like digital competence, up there with literacy
:06:56. > :06:59.and numerous seats in terms of the priority we will place on it. That
:07:00. > :07:03.is the world they operate in and those are the skills they need. Have
:07:04. > :07:10.you got all of the changes in the right order? The GCSE changes are
:07:11. > :07:14.happening before the curriculum? I think it has. In terms of the
:07:15. > :07:19.curriculum and the new skills that teachers will need to deliver it,
:07:20. > :07:25.everything comes together now in the magical year of 2018, when we have
:07:26. > :07:29.teachers that will be skilled up with the new curriculum, and clarity
:07:30. > :07:33.about what is to be delivered in the classroom. Will teachers be ready?
:07:34. > :07:39.They want to know if they will be ready to deliver this. They say they
:07:40. > :07:45.are bombarded with change. Are they? We will have the new system of
:07:46. > :07:51.support for teachers being designed and, in part, delivered by teachers.
:07:52. > :07:56.This is the new aspect of the way we are operating here in Wales. It will
:07:57. > :08:00.be those pioneer schools that look at the new Deal for teachers that
:08:01. > :08:06.will design the support packages. So they have not been designed yet? No.
:08:07. > :08:11.We are not dictating the way they should be. That is a big difference
:08:12. > :08:16.with how it has been done in the past. Teachers will take the lead.
:08:17. > :08:22.So if they demand six months off to prepare for the curriculum, will you
:08:23. > :08:27.agree? I am sure we will all take a common-sense approach to what ever
:08:28. > :08:30.demands that are made. But there are boundaries, aren't there? There are
:08:31. > :08:39.always boundaries on time, resources and finance. What is realistic? A
:08:40. > :08:42.reliance and a common-sense approach on our professionals to do the very
:08:43. > :08:47.best for us and for our young people. It is that extension of
:08:48. > :08:52.trust from me to them that marks this out as a different type of
:08:53. > :08:59.reform. What is the deadline for this? 2018. I will be tasking those
:09:00. > :09:04.new Deal schools, which have just been identified, those pioneer
:09:05. > :09:09.schools, with working with schools right across the system between now
:09:10. > :09:15.and next July, to scope out exactly what teachers need, in terms of new
:09:16. > :09:21.training, time and so on. We start to deliver from the middle of 2016.
:09:22. > :09:26.You are very familiar with the curriculum. What you think teachers
:09:27. > :09:32.need? We have taken advice internationally on this. The advice
:09:33. > :09:39.points to us being in a position to have the curriculum up and running
:09:40. > :09:43.in autumn 2018. We know that. What do teachers need, though? Do they
:09:44. > :09:50.need time or different skills? They need our trust. They also need to
:09:51. > :09:56.operate a wholly new level. What we are looking to is a system where
:09:57. > :10:02.initial teacher training takes teachers to a much higher level of
:10:03. > :10:07.competence than at the present time. Will they need a four-year degree?
:10:08. > :10:15.It is conceivable. We will be looking at a new course in terms of
:10:16. > :10:19.initial teacher training. By 2018? Yes. We will be looking for first
:10:20. > :10:24.delivery of that new teacher training by 2018. What about the
:10:25. > :10:28.teachers already imposed? That will be led by the high end near schools
:10:29. > :10:34.in terms of relating back to us what is required. This all needs to
:10:35. > :10:39.happen at a postgraduate level. That is the level of training we are
:10:40. > :10:43.talking about here, consistently across the board. Teachers are
:10:44. > :10:48.already graduates, and their training should be pitched at that
:10:49. > :10:55.postgraduate level. As a minister, you say, you have to deliver this by
:10:56. > :11:00.2018. Up to you how you do it? We have advice networks for teachers to
:11:01. > :11:05.call on expert advice when they need it, and ourselves as government
:11:06. > :11:10.setting a framework around it. What about money. You have said 3 million
:11:11. > :11:16.for the initial stage to deliver in the first year. Is that guaranteed?
:11:17. > :11:21.I want to see that continue, and I will be working towards that in the
:11:22. > :11:27.election campaign, and hopefully in a new Welsh government in May next
:11:28. > :11:31.year. Nothing is guaranteed. It all depends on the People's choice. I
:11:32. > :11:36.will be campaigning to sustain that support around our teachers, and
:11:37. > :11:40.Welsh Labour will be that. To deliver these broad changes,
:11:41. > :11:44.presumably you are expecting a big bill from teachers in terms of what
:11:45. > :11:49.they want for training. Can you deliver, whatever the cost? I will
:11:50. > :11:54.deliver what our system needs in order to get to those goals, that
:11:55. > :11:57.new curriculum, a new level of operation in terms of teacher
:11:58. > :12:06.professionalism. What is the vision here? The new curriculum, the new
:12:07. > :12:12.GCSEs... What is the vision for education in Wales? A self improving
:12:13. > :12:16.system. A system that has within itself the means and professionalism
:12:17. > :12:22.to drive towards continual improvement. A system that is proud
:12:23. > :12:27.of our educational attainment in Wales, but never satisfied with it,
:12:28. > :12:32.and a system that doesn't need politicians like me to come in from
:12:33. > :12:37.the outside and drive change. That goes up the rankings, with teachers
:12:38. > :12:43.attaining better grades? Is there a benchmark kit? What we see across
:12:44. > :12:49.high achievers is a communality in terms of the systems we have looked
:12:50. > :12:54.to for advice and guidance. A teaching profession, critically,
:12:55. > :12:58.that shifts for its self in terms of up-to-date research, operating at a
:12:59. > :13:02.very high level of teaching and learning, in terms of knowing and
:13:03. > :13:07.understanding what the best looks like, and committing to deliver
:13:08. > :13:12.that. As a minister and as a father, can you look every parent and every
:13:13. > :13:21.child in the eye and say, I am doing my utmost to deliver the best?
:13:22. > :13:28.Everyday. This commitment we have made is the biggest package of
:13:29. > :13:32.reforms since 1944. It will set the trend for our children's prospects
:13:33. > :13:37.for a generation at least, and a great deal hangs upon it. We have to
:13:38. > :13:43.work as a team across the educational workforce in Wales in
:13:44. > :13:45.order to make it work. Thank you very much.
:13:46. > :13:48.It's been five days since Friday night's deadly attacks in Paris
:13:49. > :13:52.A concert hall, a major stadium, restaurants and bars,
:13:53. > :13:54.were attacked almost simultaneously, leaving at least 129 people dead
:13:55. > :13:57.The attacks have been described by President Francois Hollande
:13:58. > :13:59.as an "act of war" organised by the so-called Islamic State
:14:00. > :14:03.militant group, and have prompted condemnation the world over.
:14:04. > :14:05.But what can be done to tackle terrorism?
:14:06. > :14:06.And can we expect similar events here?
:14:07. > :14:09.I'm joined now from our Milbank studio by Lord Alex Carlile,
:14:10. > :14:18.a former independent reviewer of terrorism laws.
:14:19. > :14:27.What can be done immediately here to make us feel safer? The first thing
:14:28. > :14:32.is that we must have proper borders for Europe and the Schengen
:14:33. > :14:35.agreement is now finished. France has closed its borders, the bridge
:14:36. > :14:39.between Sweden and Denmark has been closed. Nobody can go through those
:14:40. > :14:46.borders without going through proper security checks. And that will cause
:14:47. > :14:49.some difficulty for innocent travellers, but it is a safe
:14:50. > :14:54.precaution to take. The second thing we should do is ensure the Security
:14:55. > :15:00.Services in the United Kingdom and elsewhere have the tools they need
:15:01. > :15:04.and that means expediting the Investigatory Powers Bill, for at
:15:05. > :15:08.least that part of it that requires internet service providers and
:15:09. > :15:14.mobile phone companies to retain data for at least 12 months. The
:15:15. > :15:19.third thing is ensure that there is top quality co-operation between the
:15:20. > :15:24.best intelligence agencies and some of the other intelligence agencies
:15:25. > :15:31.and I think we can do a lot to help the Belgian intelligence services in
:15:32. > :15:35.particular become more efficient and effective in preventing terrorism.
:15:36. > :15:39.So you would scrap Schengen and on the Investigatory Powers Bill, David
:15:40. > :15:44.Cameron and Theresa May don't want to rush this, they want proper
:15:45. > :15:51.scrutiny, because of civil liberties concerns, you know that rushed
:15:52. > :15:58.legislation isn't always the best. We saw that with control orders that
:15:59. > :16:03.had to be scrapped. Well they were scrapped wrongly, they worked well
:16:04. > :16:07.and some of the scrapped parts have been reintroduced, particularly
:16:08. > :16:11.forcing people to relocate to live away from those they planned
:16:12. > :16:15.terrorist attacks. To the suggestion the Investigatory Powers Bill is
:16:16. > :16:19.being rushed that is not correct. We have been talking about the
:16:20. > :16:23.Investigatory Powers Bill for the last two years, a parliamentary
:16:24. > :16:30.programme lasting over a year was introduced before the Paris events.
:16:31. > :16:33.I am and across party group including former Defence Secretary
:16:34. > :16:38.Tom King are of the view that at least the parts of Investigatory
:16:39. > :16:43.Powers Bill that the Security Services need quickly should be
:16:44. > :16:48.enacted. Possibly with a sun set clause. Otherwise we are not going
:16:49. > :16:56.to have this piece of legislation on the statute back until the end of
:16:57. > :16:59.next year. What about the concern of civil liberties campaigners, Shami
:17:00. > :17:03.Chakrabarti said it would be an attack on the security of every man,
:17:04. > :17:09.woman and child in our count are. They would monitor everything we do
:17:10. > :17:15.and keep it for a year. That is Twaddle I'm afraid. Shami
:17:16. > :17:18.Chakrabarti has offered absolutely no alternative, if she believes that
:17:19. > :17:25.there is an alternative to the Investigatory Powers Bill, let her
:17:26. > :17:30.show us her alternative. The notion that Security Services agencies are
:17:31. > :17:35.idly going to look at your Amazon account or my credit card
:17:36. > :17:41.transactions is simply an absurdity. They only look at those about whom
:17:42. > :17:46.some suspicion has been raised. And it is time that Shami Chakrabarti
:17:47. > :17:50.and liberty simply stopped telling the untruths about what the Security
:17:51. > :17:57.Services are doing. She is not here to defend herself, but I was quoting
:17:58. > :18:00.her. She often says things without giving people the opportunity to
:18:01. > :18:04.defend themselves, so I don't think you should defend her. Let's look at
:18:05. > :18:10.the source of the trouble, Syria. David Cameron seems to be foep
:18:11. > :18:16.Cussing on -- focussing on expediting attacks on Syria, do you
:18:17. > :18:24.want us to bomb Syria? I don't want us to bomb Syria, but I believe
:18:25. > :18:31.until we destroy Isil we will not resolve the situation. So wherever
:18:32. > :18:38.Isil is, we must deal with Isil and deal with them decisively. Does that
:18:39. > :18:41.mean attacking? Yes. Would you join in the offensive led by the French
:18:42. > :18:46.and the Americans? Yes and the Russians. It is a sensible offensive
:18:47. > :18:52.and we have involved. The issue is the extents to which we are
:18:53. > :19:01.involved. Are we really going to say Britain is going to put less efforts
:19:02. > :19:10.into this than France? Is your party leader wrong, Tim Farron. Iej I'm
:19:11. > :19:14.not the leader of the Liberal Democrat and not held back by the
:19:15. > :19:19.view of Liberal Democratsches I believe I want is absurd to suggest
:19:20. > :19:25.we can deal with this without destroying Isil. We're not going to
:19:26. > :19:31.do it by the use of notelets. Are we safe as we can be in Wales? Wales is
:19:32. > :19:37.as staf as any part of -- safe as any part of Europe for a few
:19:38. > :19:46.reasons. One reason is because this for the whole of Wales the Wales
:19:47. > :19:50.extremism unit which is as good as any antiterrorism police unit in
:19:51. > :19:53.Europe. The second thing is it is very difficult to obtain
:19:54. > :19:59.Kalashnikovs and other firearms in the United Kingdom. Because we have
:20:00. > :20:04.such strict laws against them. And because we have a border force which
:20:05. > :20:07.is pretty rigorous at the moment in ensuring that people who might be
:20:08. > :20:13.terrorists do not enter the United Kingdom. So we live in a reasonably
:20:14. > :20:19.safe country. But in a perilous world. I want it to remain a
:20:20. > :20:26.reasonably safe country with Security Services is only giving the
:20:27. > :20:31.proportionate tools they need, don't damage civil liberties. Is an attack
:20:32. > :20:39.on the UK inevitable? The threat level is severe so, an attack is
:20:40. > :20:44.highly likely and we have to bear in mind that terrorists tend to go for
:20:45. > :20:52.soft targets. So I fear that the possibility of an attack in Wales is
:20:53. > :21:00.maybe less likely than an attack in London, but you can't say it won't
:21:01. > :21:04.happen. It remains likely. Lord Carlile thank you.
:21:05. > :21:06.Should the achievements of Welsh women get more public recognition?
:21:07. > :21:09.Over the years, men who have contributed to Welsh life
:21:10. > :21:11.and culture have been immortalised with statues - Aneurin Bevan, Owain
:21:12. > :21:15.But there's a considerable lack of women statues in Wales.
:21:16. > :21:22.Guardian Journalist Elena Cresci returned to her home city of Cardiff
:21:23. > :21:33.to hunt for female statues in the capital.
:21:34. > :21:42.If statues could talk they would tell great stories. After all, that
:21:43. > :21:47.is why they're there, to remind us of wonderful Welsh people. Walking
:21:48. > :21:58.around the city I see plenty of stone men and animals. But where are
:21:59. > :22:05.all the women? Aneurin Bevan deserves to stand here. Without him
:22:06. > :22:10.there wouldn't be an NHS. But there were other marvels of medicine.
:22:11. > :22:15.There was our own Florence Nightingale who could stand here too
:22:16. > :22:20.rather than making headlines for being in special measures. But we
:22:21. > :22:25.have some statues of women. Only they're not real. They're anonymous
:22:26. > :22:31.figures with no real identity and little to say. Is that really the
:22:32. > :22:37.message we want to send out? It is almost as if we are short of
:22:38. > :22:46.inspiration. If it is a modern counter part to Gareth Edwards we
:22:47. > :22:55.are after, what about Dame Shirley Bassey or Tanni Grey-Thompson. Here
:22:56. > :23:03.you will David Lloyd George. His daughter Megan, became Wales's first
:23:04. > :23:08.female MP in 1929 at just 27. Tell me she doesn't deserve a statue.
:23:09. > :23:16.City Hall is guarded by stone figures. Inside there are more. The
:23:17. > :23:33.marble home is home to the heroes of Wales. And you will find Boudica. It
:23:34. > :23:37.gives the impression the women's stories are not worth telling. It is
:23:38. > :23:42.so important we don't forget Nair stories. There are plenty of women
:23:43. > :23:46.in Welsh public life making a difference. It is up to them and us
:23:47. > :23:48.to commemorate real women of achievement and put them on a
:23:49. > :23:55.pedestal. I'm joined now by Deidre Beddoe
:23:56. > :23:57.and Emeritus Professor of women's history and Dr Jasmine
:23:58. > :24:06.Donahaye from Swansea University. Why so few women? It is not at all
:24:07. > :24:18.surprising. There is a one word answer to this. That word is
:24:19. > :24:27.patriarchy. It is changing, but all power has been in the hands of men
:24:28. > :24:37.and men commission the statues and they only saw the value of male
:24:38. > :24:43.contribution to society. And I mean why more women in public life, maybe
:24:44. > :24:45.there will be a lead time and in time they will influence decision
:24:46. > :24:51.and more will be commissioned. In the past there hasn't been a woman
:24:52. > :24:56.there championing the cause for female statues. Yes that I true. I
:24:57. > :25:02.hope more women in public life would mean it would result in more public
:25:03. > :25:14.Scottish Conservative sculpture of women. But we are not in the great
:25:15. > :25:19.age of commissioning sculpture. There is diminishing public art. We
:25:20. > :25:26.have seen that with passports and the stamp and back notes. To get
:25:27. > :25:32.women recognised is such a battle. Why do you think that is? I was
:25:33. > :25:41.taken aback by the opposition to women being on the noepts. It seemed
:25:42. > :25:48.-- notes, it seemed an overreaction. We have been so underrepresented and
:25:49. > :25:54.we have owned less of banknotes. It seems churlish to oppose that. #i9d
:25:55. > :26:01.is important to link the two things. The lack of female statues and the
:26:02. > :26:13.lack of female representatives in Parliament. Yet Wales seems to be OK
:26:14. > :26:17.with female representation in politics with 26FMs. Is Wales
:26:18. > :26:22.getting there slowly? We seem to have fallen back a lilt. Initially
:26:23. > :26:26.we had more than 50% in the Assembly. So we have gone back. I
:26:27. > :26:34.think there is a great improvement and obviously there is a lag before
:26:35. > :26:40.that is depicted. But even where women are perhaps in a position to
:26:41. > :26:48.do the commissioning, whether it is visual culture or literature or
:26:49. > :26:54.other domain. It is still challenges F you don't know who the women are
:26:55. > :26:59.you can't depict them. It's easy to blame men. Are we not forceful
:27:00. > :27:06.enough. I don't think it is up to women only to make that change. It
:27:07. > :27:10.is for men too. It is for the entire population to see the breadth of
:27:11. > :27:16.human experience depibgtd. You're right. Wales has a very poor record
:27:17. > :27:28.of having women in Parliament. It starts with Megan Lloyd George in
:27:29. > :27:37.1929. She is on her own until 1950 and then huge spans of time without
:27:38. > :27:45.women. Not a single MP until Ann Clwyd. You mentioned time, this is
:27:46. > :27:54.not the time for commissioning public art. Maybe statues are out of
:27:55. > :28:02.date. Is a blue plaque the future? I hope not. We navigate by sculpture
:28:03. > :28:07.and even if it is sub conscious we take in this woman is on a pedestal,
:28:08. > :28:13.although in this case it is the men. It becomes part of our every day
:28:14. > :28:18.consciousness. If women are in prominent positions and recognised,
:28:19. > :28:23.it filters down and you have to then acknowledge that contribution. Let's
:28:24. > :28:29.give you some cash now and you can have one statue immediately. Who
:28:30. > :28:42.would it be? That is a terrible thing to do to me. Let me take...
:28:43. > :28:52.I'm torn between two. Crongwin the scholar. She was a qualified sea
:28:53. > :29:02.captain and a brilliant lecturer. But maybe more controversial, I
:29:03. > :29:14.admire that larger than life woman Betsy Cadwallader. I hate her name
:29:15. > :29:18.has been tarnished. Wrote a biography of Lily Tobias. I would
:29:19. > :29:21.love to see her recognised. That's it for tonight,
:29:22. > :29:23.we'll be back next week. And if you'd like to be
:29:24. > :29:26.in the audience of a special programme on December 2nd and get
:29:27. > :29:29.the chance to put your questions to The e-mail address is
:29:30. > :29:32.thewalesreport@bbc.co.uk or we're on social media
:29:33. > :29:34.the hashtag is thewalesreport. The first illustration
:29:35. > :30:09.shows Hitler and Himmler It became clear that this porcelain
:30:10. > :30:13.was actually made