02/12/2015

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:00:00. > :00:16.With five months to go until the Assembly elections in May,

:00:17. > :00:18.a studio audience put their questions on the service, the

:00:19. > :00:21.economy and much more to the First Minister, Labour's Carwyn Jones.

:00:22. > :00:31.Good evening and welcome to The Wales Report.

:00:32. > :00:33.You join us tonight for a special programme.

:00:34. > :00:36.It's been an eventful year in politics and next year is shaping

:00:37. > :00:39.up to be just as busy with the Assembly elections on the horizon

:00:40. > :00:42.and a possible in-out referendum on Britain's membership of the EU.

:00:43. > :00:44.So what are the burning issues that you want to discuss?

:00:45. > :00:48.Are you happy with the way the way your health service is being run?

:00:49. > :00:50.Are schools in Wales getting top marks from you?

:00:51. > :00:52.Is the Welsh economy a source for optimism or concern?

:00:53. > :00:54.Tonight, we have a studio audience who have

:00:55. > :00:57.plenty of questions for the man at the helm here in Wales, the First

:00:58. > :01:01.Remember, you too can have your say on social media.

:01:02. > :01:10.But first tonight, MPs are currently debating.

:01:11. > :01:14.That was on whether the UK should join on the bombing of so-called

:01:15. > :01:27.Islamic State targets in Syria. I would have voted against. I think

:01:28. > :01:32.the Prime Minister has not made the case for air strikes on their own.

:01:33. > :01:37.But if you want to bring peace to Syria, you have got to have a plan.

:01:38. > :01:42.Which ground forces do you support in order to do that? If you do that,

:01:43. > :01:47.what air strikes do you need? None of that has been done. At the end of

:01:48. > :01:51.the day, my greatest fear is we will end up with air strikes and the

:01:52. > :01:55.whole thing will be forgotten about. Nobody will do the work that is

:01:56. > :02:00.needed for peace and security in Syria. Then needed to be a

:02:01. > :02:06.statesman-like attitude from the Prime Minister and what did we see?

:02:07. > :02:10.He said anyone against him was a terrorist sympathiser. Regardless of

:02:11. > :02:16.how MPs vote tonight, their views should be respected, but I did in

:02:17. > :02:20.the case has been made. What about your party? You have a leader in you

:02:21. > :02:27.against military action and yet a man who would like to be Foreign

:02:28. > :02:33.Secretary for military action. We are in government in Wales. But

:02:34. > :02:37.there are different views within the Labour Party and the Conservative

:02:38. > :02:48.Party. Every Conservative MP will back -- will not back military

:02:49. > :02:58.action. I have not seen anything that will lead to peace and security

:02:59. > :03:01.in Syria. The debates on military action can carry on.

:03:02. > :03:05.Now, let's move on to our first topic - the Welsh NHS.

:03:06. > :03:06.Our first question tonight comes from Chris O'Callghan,

:03:07. > :03:10.With ever increasing demand on the NHS but only limited resources and

:03:11. > :03:20.It's a real challenge for governments around the world. Our

:03:21. > :03:24.health budgeted 46% of our total budget. We spend more on health than

:03:25. > :03:33.ever before. We have had new bills going up and Aberystwyth, Swansea,

:03:34. > :03:39.but we know that there is ever demand. We see it in orthopaedics

:03:40. > :03:43.and A But we are determined to keep the current situation, which is

:03:44. > :03:46.we spend more than England per head on health and continue to spend what

:03:47. > :03:50.we need in the health service the people want. Of course there are

:03:51. > :03:56.pressures and of course there are challenges. But if you look at what

:03:57. > :04:00.we have done in terms of increasing funding and the numbers of doctors

:04:01. > :04:06.and nurses, we're in the best position ever in that regard. You

:04:07. > :04:12.work in health service? I have worked in the NHS for 12 years now.

:04:13. > :04:19.I have concerns about the cancer care provisions in Wales. When you

:04:20. > :04:24.look at scanning, we provide very limited services for referral

:04:25. > :04:30.criteria is wearers NHS England have up to 18 reasons why having a scam.

:04:31. > :04:33.How do we move ourselves up to parity the NHS England? Any other

:04:34. > :04:40.points on comparing the health service in Wales and England? Any

:04:41. > :04:44.other experiences? The gentlemen of the vendor back. I am concerned

:04:45. > :04:49.about the amount of cancer patients have to move to England to get

:04:50. > :04:52.reasonable treatment. If you look at what is happening with cancer, you

:04:53. > :04:56.have a quicker route to treatment in Wales than England and we know that

:04:57. > :05:00.from our own figures. You get access to approved cancer drugs more

:05:01. > :05:05.quickly as well. The other point is that England had its Cancer Drugs

:05:06. > :05:09.Fund and it is disappearing. What we want to do is make sure people had

:05:10. > :05:14.access to the treatment that would work for them as quickly as

:05:15. > :05:19.possible. In terms of the issue here, in terms of scanning, we

:05:20. > :05:23.always look at ways to review the procedures we used to make them more

:05:24. > :05:27.effective. We do know that when it comes to the urgent route with

:05:28. > :05:31.cancer treatment and the nonurgent route, it's not a competition but we

:05:32. > :05:37.are ahead of England. We want to make sure it stays that way. Any

:05:38. > :05:42.other points from the audience? We be at preventative health care such

:05:43. > :05:46.as eco-therapy which has been approved around the world to help

:05:47. > :05:51.people's mental and physical well-being and also save money for

:05:52. > :05:58.the NHS? We are always looking at ways to encourage preventative

:05:59. > :06:02.health care. We know that if we can ensure that fewer people smoke, we

:06:03. > :06:05.will see fewer people with heart disease and strokes further down the

:06:06. > :06:10.line. We try and get the balance right. It's difficult because we

:06:11. > :06:14.know that demand was goes up in a deep, orthopaedics and other areas,

:06:15. > :06:19.but it is important not to lose focus of the need to ensure that

:06:20. > :06:24.people are in a position where they avoid having serious conditions as

:06:25. > :06:33.they get older. Can I ask about GP 's surgery? In your 2011 election

:06:34. > :06:39.pledge, it was to improve access to GB's surgeries but that has actually

:06:40. > :06:43.gone down and Wales now has fewer GP's surgeries. Access to GPs has

:06:44. > :06:50.gone up in terms of evening access and weekends. Statistics say they've

:06:51. > :06:55.gone down. We know more surgeries are open in the evenings than ever

:06:56. > :07:00.before. The challenge is to ensure consistency across Wales. In

:07:01. > :07:07.Bridgend, they are open some evenings, an online appointment for

:07:08. > :07:11.operations and ordering prescriptions, and we need to make

:07:12. > :07:21.sure that good practices extended to other surgeries. It was 11% in 2013

:07:22. > :07:28.but down to 7% in 2014. I can only talk from my own GP's surgery. When

:07:29. > :07:32.I first registered there, they were opened five and a half days a week

:07:33. > :07:36.and now they are open three. If you are ill on a Tuesday or Wednesday,

:07:37. > :07:41.you need to go somewhere else or wait until Thursday or Friday, and

:07:42. > :07:47.in the New Year, the surgery itself will close down. It closes at 4pm as

:07:48. > :07:52.well. There is no reason for that. They are mainly private contractors

:07:53. > :07:56.rather than employed by the NHS but there are good examples of surgeries

:07:57. > :07:58.are opening in the evenings when it is more convenient for people,

:07:59. > :08:03.people being able to make appointments online and over the

:08:04. > :08:10.phone. That is being rolled out across Wales and there's no reason

:08:11. > :08:14.why surgeries can all have that. We'll Wales's share of the extra

:08:15. > :08:18.money given to the extra health service be ring fenced like in

:08:19. > :08:23.England? We already spend more than England does and that will continue.

:08:24. > :08:27.We are absolutely in the position where we will continue to spend more

:08:28. > :08:33.on health in Wales per head than England doesn't that will continue

:08:34. > :08:38.in the future. It isn't ring fenced? Effectively, it is, because England

:08:39. > :08:43.are spending less than we are. We have had ?110 million extra. We know

:08:44. > :08:46.that prices will go a further so it is a cut in real terms but a chunk

:08:47. > :08:53.of that money will be used to make sure that we will spend the amount

:08:54. > :08:55.of money per head the people expect. People will compare us and we will

:08:56. > :09:05.stay head of England. Gentleman at the end there. On the subject of

:09:06. > :09:10.funding, it's true I think that the Welsh NHS uses an awful lot of

:09:11. > :09:15.agency workers. Why not pay your staff a little bit more, recruit

:09:16. > :09:20.more and not make millionaires out of those running the agencies? We

:09:21. > :09:26.encourage local health boards to do exactly that. Sometimes, it's not

:09:27. > :09:30.possible. More and more doctors are working as locums than ever before.

:09:31. > :09:35.But we want to make sure that the vast majority of staff permanently

:09:36. > :09:38.employed. Occasionally, agencies will be used, but that's not

:09:39. > :09:46.something we would want to see the norm. The gentleman in front there.

:09:47. > :09:51.The staff have the timings of 12 hours for nurses and doctors. How do

:09:52. > :09:56.you expect them to work the next day, 12 hours again? I work for

:09:57. > :10:03.eight hours, so the motivation and effort they do is too much and how

:10:04. > :10:09.will they cope every day? Is this to do with junior doctors? Every

:10:10. > :10:13.doctors in hospitals. Bear in mind that England is staring down the

:10:14. > :10:19.barrel of a junior doctor's strike. My point is that they're human

:10:20. > :10:30.beings. If you hire other doctors, they can facilitate to their

:10:31. > :10:35.families. There will be occasions when people have to be brought in in

:10:36. > :10:39.northern to cover perhaps surge in demand. That will be normal within

:10:40. > :10:47.the health service where that demand surges. I have seen every time in

:10:48. > :10:52.the hospital... Sometimes, they have to be hospitalised. Every time they

:10:53. > :11:00.do 12 hours, sometimes they do overnight, 36 hours. Let's go back

:11:01. > :11:03.to our question. Do you feel that the health service has improved

:11:04. > :11:09.after 15 years of a Labour government? We are on a turning

:11:10. > :11:16.point and it could go either way. We need more money for our patients to

:11:17. > :11:21.get better care. Just once that there is worth bearing in mind, our

:11:22. > :11:23.budget has gone down by more than ?1 billion in the last four years but

:11:24. > :11:29.we have managed to keep health spending up. At the end of the day,

:11:30. > :11:36.we have seen a 10% cut from our budget. Despite all that, we have

:11:37. > :11:44.managed to keep health spending ahead of England but also, four

:11:45. > :11:49.years ago, health was 41% of our spending an hour to 46%, so we have

:11:50. > :12:00.taken difficult decisions despite cuts coming from the Tories. You

:12:01. > :12:04.also have one health service in special measures and confidence is

:12:05. > :12:07.at an all-time low. You had a decision last night where you have

:12:08. > :12:14.got the bosses rolling back on reorganisation. A few years ago, you

:12:15. > :12:17.said the NHS would collapse about reorganisation. Reorganisation is

:12:18. > :12:23.not happening in your policy is collapsing. If you look at Betsy, it

:12:24. > :12:29.is common for this to happen, but it has happened in Wales. We ensured

:12:30. > :12:34.that it was put under special measures in order to see work done

:12:35. > :12:39.to get it where we were last night. Let's face it, if the Welsh

:12:40. > :12:42.government did not take action it did, we would not have seen the

:12:43. > :12:47.report produced last night and there would not been the opportunity to

:12:48. > :12:51.continue with consultant led maternity units in Betsy. That has

:12:52. > :12:55.happened because of the action taken by the Welsh Labour government.

:12:56. > :12:58.Let's move on to the economy. Our second question tonight

:12:59. > :13:00.comes from Yahya Pandor. Wales still qualifies to receive

:13:01. > :13:03.handouts from the EU, there are lots of people on benefits and

:13:04. > :13:05.empty shops on our high streets. After 15 years of Labour government,

:13:06. > :13:18.why is Wales so poor? There are some reasons that are

:13:19. > :13:25.there because of what happened in the 80s, the fact that we lost so

:13:26. > :13:29.many that time. But if you look at our economic figures, we had the

:13:30. > :13:38.best foreign direct investment figures, I got investment into

:13:39. > :13:47.Wales, from Canada, India, in the North, all because of the work we

:13:48. > :13:52.did. We have also had the most successful job placement scheme in

:13:53. > :13:56.Europe. We had 17,000 youngsters who had an opportunity of a work

:13:57. > :14:00.placement and 80% of gone on to other jobs or further and higher

:14:01. > :14:04.education. That's because we listen to businesses. Businesses were

:14:05. > :14:07.saying, we would like to take somebody on but we cannot afford the

:14:08. > :14:16.time or money to train them so we have now a bridge that gap.

:14:17. > :14:24.The one thing we won't do is what happened in the late 1980s and the

:14:25. > :14:28.1990s was the government saying to come to Wales because the wage rates

:14:29. > :14:32.are so low, the lowest in Europe. Those days are long gone. The

:14:33. > :14:36.investment now is for highly skilled and highly paid jobs. Earnings in

:14:37. > :14:41.Wales are lower than in Scotland, Northern Ireland and England, why is

:14:42. > :14:45.that? They are. Some of that is historic but the gap is closing. We

:14:46. > :14:48.know that. If you look at domestic household income which measures

:14:49. > :14:59.income according to where people live, that gap has been closing for

:15:00. > :15:02.a long time. There are challenges to make sure that investment is spread

:15:03. > :15:05.around Wales and it does not will go to the north-east and the south-east

:15:06. > :15:08.and if you look at the work that has been done in Swansea there is a

:15:09. > :15:12.fantastic new campus for college and a railway station and that is all

:15:13. > :15:18.designed to bring investment into that part of Wales. A few hands up.

:15:19. > :15:22.Historically you look at the Welsh economy and we have always merged

:15:23. > :15:26.with Liverpool and Manchester, we can just look at those areas now I

:15:27. > :15:29.just wish. If you boys were not there, we would be working a lot

:15:30. > :15:35.harder with them and benefiting from the boom in the south-west of

:15:36. > :15:38.England and Bristol. More corporation across-the-board is?

:15:39. > :15:42.That is true, economically that is right and that is why we have

:15:43. > :15:46.announced plans to work with the Northern Powerhouse in England. It

:15:47. > :15:49.is normal in other parts of Europe so why should it be different in

:15:50. > :15:53.Wales? The reality is that if we look at the south-west of England,

:15:54. > :15:57.it is a competitor for us as well and we have to make sure that people

:15:58. > :16:01.will come to Wales. We have never had a higher profile at

:16:02. > :16:06.international level which is why we are seeing the investment. Today I

:16:07. > :16:09.was opening a new office in Cardiff bringing 700 jobs into Cardiff

:16:10. > :16:14.because of the work we have done to work with businesses to get those

:16:15. > :16:20.investments in. What about North Wales? If you look at air bus and

:16:21. > :16:25.also a Japanese company that we have coming into Deeside. We have

:16:26. > :16:30.opportunities on angle side -- Anglesey and Lockheed Martin are

:16:31. > :16:34.working with the college to maximise the opportunities for local people

:16:35. > :16:39.when the power station is built and comes online. We need an UK

:16:40. > :16:42.Government to do its bit. What happened to electrification? We were

:16:43. > :16:46.told the mainline would be electrified by 2018 and now it is

:16:47. > :16:51.Twenty20 four, and the message that gives out is that Swansea is somehow

:16:52. > :16:54.the end of the line. Where is the work being done on the tidal

:16:55. > :16:58.agreement in Swansea Bay which could create thousands of jobs, nothing.

:16:59. > :17:04.We are doing our bit but we need a UK Government to do its bit as well.

:17:05. > :17:10.The man at the back. You keep coming back in regard to the economy to

:17:11. > :17:13.Swansea and Steve 's side, but what about Blaenau Gwent and areas like

:17:14. > :17:19.that that do not have major towns and cities? If you look at Ebbw

:17:20. > :17:25.Vale, the new development at the steelworks, we know that Merthyr is

:17:26. > :17:28.attracting jobs and the general dynamics, we know that they are

:17:29. > :17:33.looking at Merthyr and other jobs are there as well. Why? Because of

:17:34. > :17:36.the work that has been done at the heads of the valleys and making our

:17:37. > :17:40.communities more connected and the work that has been done with

:17:41. > :17:43.transport. One of the reason is way above is attracting investment is

:17:44. > :17:47.the fact that we opened up a railway line and made sure that it was more

:17:48. > :17:50.connected as a town, not just for bringing people into Cardiff but

:17:51. > :18:14.investment at Ebbw Vale as well. The other thing that is important is

:18:15. > :18:17.broadband. Broadband in the 21st-century is the equivalent of

:18:18. > :18:19.railway lines in the 19th century, if you are not connected then you

:18:20. > :18:22.are not connected with your market. By April 20, 1796 present premises

:18:23. > :18:24.in Wales will have access to superfast broadband, the market

:18:25. > :18:26.would never deliver that. We are paying for it to make sure that

:18:27. > :18:29.wherever you live in Wales you have access to that level of speed. A

:18:30. > :18:32.feeling the poverty gap in Wales for some people. Any comments on that?

:18:33. > :18:34.The gap is widening between the cities and the more industrial...

:18:35. > :18:36.The chap the specs. I was going to say do you think we are attracting

:18:37. > :18:39.investment and business without subsidy because it is good to be in

:18:40. > :18:42.Wales or with Welsh government subsidy? The financial support we

:18:43. > :18:46.give is important but all governments do this. Everybody puts

:18:47. > :18:49.a financial package on the table and if we did not do it we would be

:18:50. > :18:52.trumped by everyone else, but it is more than that. People are saying

:18:53. > :18:56.that they like having a government they can talk to and it is

:18:57. > :19:00.accessible, they can get decisions because they are taken very quickly.

:19:01. > :19:03.That is the advantage of our size and having a government based in

:19:04. > :19:07.Wales. They also say that we have the skills that they need. If you

:19:08. > :19:10.are a business the financial package is one thing but you have to make

:19:11. > :19:13.sure that you have the business there to keep the business going and

:19:14. > :19:16.we find people saying they are happy with the people that they have in

:19:17. > :19:22.Wales and they like their commitment and their skills and that message is

:19:23. > :19:27.getting out there. The gentleman there. You mentioned superfast

:19:28. > :19:33.broadband as a key investment but why did we not look at 4G and five

:19:34. > :19:41.June rather than putting cables through? You are right about the

:19:42. > :19:45.cell phone connections but we do not directly control or pay for those.

:19:46. > :19:49.The companies have said they will extend coverage across Wales but in

:19:50. > :19:53.other parts it is inexplicable. Anglesey is flat spotted many parts

:19:54. > :19:56.you cannot get mobile phone reception it does not seem to make

:19:57. > :20:00.sense to me so they need to invest the money and making sure we get

:20:01. > :20:05.mobile phone reception as well across Wales. What we did was look

:20:06. > :20:08.at broadband particularly, the cabling to make sure we had

:20:09. > :20:13.superfast broadband available for as many premises as possible. Some are

:20:14. > :20:16.difficult to reach but there will be other solutions for them. It means

:20:17. > :20:20.that where ever you are in Wales, which of the village of living, you

:20:21. > :20:24.will have access to the level of broadband speed that is available in

:20:25. > :20:29.Cardiff. A question from down the front here. It is great and to be

:20:30. > :20:33.commended that we are getting new jobs into Wales but new jobs means

:20:34. > :20:37.either new people coming into Wales or it means people moving around

:20:38. > :20:40.Wales and ultimately we are facing a housing crisis in Wales, so what

:20:41. > :20:45.will we do about housing these people? You are right to say that

:20:46. > :20:49.with some businesses they do bring some of their people investment in

:20:50. > :20:54.time they are replaced with people locally. I give you an example, a

:20:55. > :20:57.film -- creative industries and film production is really booming at the

:20:58. > :21:00.moment and they bring their own people in but then they create

:21:01. > :21:05.opportunities for training for local people and they create jobs locally.

:21:06. > :21:10.An example I had last week was of a scaffolding company in Merthyr that

:21:11. > :21:14.is going great guns, providing reading for the film sets. In fact

:21:15. > :21:18.it does provide jobs for people even though some people have been brought

:21:19. > :21:22.in originally. You mentioned housing. We know that we have helped

:21:23. > :21:25.to buy as a scheme that is helping people to buy their own houses and

:21:26. > :21:30.we're on target to build the houses that said we would build which is

:21:31. > :21:34.about 10,000. We know, of course, that many of those houses have to be

:21:35. > :21:38.affordable, things like shared equity schemes are important and

:21:39. > :21:45.also affordable houses to rent. Those things are important in terms

:21:46. > :21:49.of the mix. Can I bring you back to the original question which kicked

:21:50. > :21:54.off in terms of European funding. ?2 billion comes into Wales over six

:21:55. > :21:58.years or so. Your predecessor said in 2000 that it was a

:21:59. > :22:01.once-in-a-lifetime chance for Wales and we still qualify, 15 years on.

:22:02. > :22:07.Are you disappointed or ashamed that we still qualify? I do not want to

:22:08. > :22:11.qualify again. We want to be in a position where we have less money

:22:12. > :22:15.and that much is true. What we are seeing in terms of job creation and

:22:16. > :22:19.investment that is coming in is incredible. I see our young people

:22:20. > :22:24.are much more likely to setup their own businesses than my generation

:22:25. > :22:28.ever were. We never lacked the skills in terms of people having the

:22:29. > :22:31.good ideas but they often lack the confidence to set up their own

:22:32. > :22:34.businesses and now that is changing and I want to see that change

:22:35. > :22:37.because I came from a background when I was self-employed before I

:22:38. > :22:41.came into politics and that is the big change that we are seeing. It is

:22:42. > :22:44.one thing to bring jobs in but what is important is to ensure that they

:22:45. > :22:49.are jobs that are well paid and they will stay in Wales and that is what

:22:50. > :22:52.we have aimed at and that is what we have done in terms of the jobs that

:22:53. > :22:58.are coming. You paint a pretty rosy picture of the economy here in

:22:59. > :23:04.Wales. We have a straw poll now, who feels that since devolution the

:23:05. > :23:08.economy is on the up? One person. Who feels it is perhaps not on the

:23:09. > :23:13.way up, it is suffering and going down because of devolution? You

:23:14. > :23:19.would rather go back to pre-devolution anybody? Yes. Let us

:23:20. > :23:30.hear from you, the gentleman in the leather jacket. You want to go back

:23:31. > :23:34.to pre-devolution? Definitely. I am from Newport and I am a

:23:35. > :23:42.Monmouthshire man and we never supported anyway and frankly I think

:23:43. > :23:45.we got it right. Carwyn Jones is very impressive in what he just said

:23:46. > :23:48.and if he had just walked into the room and you did not know that we're

:23:49. > :23:52.in the Senate coming up for 16 years I think it would be very impressed.

:23:53. > :23:56.The main thing is that we still have an unemployment rate at 1% higher in

:23:57. > :24:00.Wales than in the rest of the country and it seems to vary from

:24:01. > :24:04.month to month. We catch up one month and then we go out to sink the

:24:05. > :24:10.following month, which is rather... It doesn't seem to be a steady ship.

:24:11. > :24:13.It is up and down, that's true but if you compare where we used to be

:24:14. > :24:17.which was always way above the UK average, that has been a major

:24:18. > :24:20.difference. We go out there and we sell Wales. One of the biggest

:24:21. > :24:26.opportunities we had was when the regional development units went in

:24:27. > :24:29.England and the competition disappeared and then it has been

:24:30. > :24:34.easier for us to attract jobs into Wales. If we do not sell Wales, no

:24:35. > :24:39.one else will do it. But we have never sold Wales, that is the

:24:40. > :24:47.problem. Where I live you have the top ten cycling, off-road cycling

:24:48. > :24:54.places in the world and we have not even got a decent hotel up there. It

:24:55. > :24:57.could employ... There are 80,000 90,000 people from all over

:24:58. > :25:00.Britain, and we're not talking about people on the breadline comedies are

:25:01. > :25:05.wealthy people who bring their mountain bikes, some of which are

:25:06. > :25:11.worth 6000 ?7,000 a time, so these people are not on the breadline, and

:25:12. > :25:15.we have an area high unemployment and where did the Olympic Miettunen

:25:16. > :25:19.biking take place? It was in Essex. I just cannot... You have a Labour

:25:20. > :25:22.government in power at the time and someone in the Wales should have

:25:23. > :25:28.been banging the table and saying we want the mountain biking, and that

:25:29. > :25:32.is just an example. You have got... I had a cruise to New York a couple

:25:33. > :25:36.of years ago and on the first night there were mostly American people on

:25:37. > :25:41.the ship and the first night had under milk Wood with all Americans.

:25:42. > :25:44.We do not push that Dylan Thomas tours. We have got Richard Burton

:25:45. > :25:51.just up the road and all of these things are tourism for Wales but

:25:52. > :25:57.they never seem to come to anything. We have seen a lot of development

:25:58. > :26:01.with ponds and the visitor centre and a lot of people have let out

:26:02. > :26:06.houses in a village for the mountain bikers because a lot of people want

:26:07. > :26:10.self-catering accommodation so there has been development in that area.

:26:11. > :26:15.We did have a big event in America for Dylan Thomas's centenary. There

:26:16. > :26:19.were events in New York with performances across America, so we

:26:20. > :26:24.did that work. The question I posed you as this, in the last 15 years we

:26:25. > :26:27.have had the Rugby World Rugby union World Cup, the Champions League

:26:28. > :26:30.coming, we have had the Ryder Cup matches test and none of those

:26:31. > :26:33.things would have come come without a Welsh government going into bat

:26:34. > :26:38.for Wales. Without us doing they would never have come in the first

:26:39. > :26:42.place. I talk to Uefa and I make sure that the Champions League came

:26:43. > :26:46.to Cardiff and they fulfil that promise. In years gone by there

:26:47. > :26:50.would have been no want to come to say they would never have come. A

:26:51. > :26:56.quick comment from the man behind two is very angry. If you are that

:26:57. > :27:02.great why did Burberry and Bosch relocate to England? If you really

:27:03. > :27:05.want to stimulate the Russian economy, are you going to seize

:27:06. > :27:15.these income tax powers and drop our income tax rates in Wales? We might

:27:16. > :27:17.come onto that. That is a clothes. There are opportunities with

:27:18. > :27:21.business rates. Now we have control of business rates, which we did not

:27:22. > :27:24.have before, one of the things we are looking at is putting together a

:27:25. > :27:28.competitive package in regards to business rates and that will make a

:27:29. > :27:32.difference. It was a shame that we did not get air passenger duty.

:27:33. > :27:35.Scotland has had it and it would make a huge difference to Cardiff

:27:36. > :27:38.airport and other airports as well and they could become real economic

:27:39. > :27:40.drivers but we have been denied that for some reason, even though it was

:27:41. > :27:43.given on a plate to Scotland. Wales' education system is

:27:44. > :27:48.underperforming in international rankings and progress

:27:49. > :27:52.on literacy and numeracy is slow. Has your government failed

:27:53. > :28:07.a generation of schoolchildren? As somebody who has kids in a

:28:08. > :28:11.comprehensive and came from a comprehensive, I have a real stake

:28:12. > :28:14.in education. Let us look at education. There needs to be

:28:15. > :28:18.improvement in the figures and we have been working the schools in

:28:19. > :28:22.regards to doing that. Education spending is higher per head than in

:28:23. > :28:26.England and we are building new schools, 150 schools have been built

:28:27. > :28:30.or refurbished and Wales in the past few years. I was in Aberdare

:28:31. > :28:34.comprehensive school which was newly built and funded by the local

:28:35. > :28:38.authority and Welsh government and I was in another high school that has

:28:39. > :28:41.been built so we are investing that in our children's futures in a way

:28:42. > :28:46.that just did not happen when I was in school in the 1980s. We have just

:28:47. > :28:50.had the best GCSE results ever in Wales, just confirmed today, and

:28:51. > :28:53.they are more recent than the other figures. I think there is a lot to

:28:54. > :28:59.celebrate and our teachers are doing a great job for us and the one area

:29:00. > :29:04.we now need to focus on is making sure we improve in the rankings. On

:29:05. > :29:08.those rankings, you have change the target and he wanted to be in the 20

:29:09. > :29:10.best performing countries in the world and you change the target

:29:11. > :29:15.because you were not heading that way.

:29:16. > :29:28.All the indications we have had, the tests that have taken place, they

:29:29. > :29:34.all point in the right direction, so I am confident we will improve. It's

:29:35. > :29:39.important that we have tests. I am a parent and to be able to have tests

:29:40. > :29:42.in terms of literacy in numerous is important to you can compare how

:29:43. > :29:46.your child is doing and how they are doing against their peer groups.

:29:47. > :29:55.That was something that in the past, we didn't get right. To go

:29:56. > :29:59.back to the question, you said you didn't get it right. You have also

:30:00. > :30:03.said in the past you have taken your eye off the ball, you posted. Or do

:30:04. > :30:12.you say to the parents and pupils who were going through the system? I

:30:13. > :30:18.didn't say we coasted. We took our eye off the ball and I think that's

:30:19. > :30:21.fair because when testing was replaced by in school assessments, I

:30:22. > :30:25.don't think those assessments were right. We couldn't work out why we

:30:26. > :30:30.were outperforming English children and then falling behind them after

:30:31. > :30:34.14. That was something to do with the fact that the methods of

:30:35. > :30:39.assessment were not consistent but that has gone now. A importance can

:30:40. > :30:42.measure where their children are. Let's take a comment from the middle

:30:43. > :30:49.here and the lady in pink on the end. I don't recognise the system. I

:30:50. > :30:55.have worked in the sector for 11 years. The last five years have been

:30:56. > :31:00.one of constant change and redundancies and pay cuts and losing

:31:01. > :31:07.colleagues in subject areas. It is constantly changing. When will

:31:08. > :31:10.settle down? And when will we be consulted? Always consulted last

:31:11. > :31:14.when things have happened not when things have happened not when things

:31:15. > :31:21.are taking place. I'm about to go into the fold changes to GCSEs and

:31:22. > :31:26.almost as many years. I am a primary school teacher in Cardiff and I have

:31:27. > :31:31.no objection to tests but I do have concerns that a lot of emphasis is

:31:32. > :31:34.put on statistics and league tables. We have got children living in

:31:35. > :31:39.terrible poverty in the capital city. They can't for breakfast or

:31:40. > :31:47.lunch. What will we do to support the families to do the parenting so

:31:48. > :31:52.that parents -- teachers can do the teaching? We have had a cut of 10%

:31:53. > :31:58.in our budget in some areas of seeing reductions in funding. We

:31:59. > :32:02.know there have been difficulties. We have a budget statement next week

:32:03. > :32:07.and we are looking at ways to make sure that F E is in a less difficult

:32:08. > :32:11.position but it has been hard on the sector. We have not been able to

:32:12. > :32:15.keep up spending on everything given the fact that our budget has been

:32:16. > :32:20.cut by a Tory government in London. We don't have league tables. There

:32:21. > :32:25.were always simplistic comparators. Much better to have a system of

:32:26. > :32:29.testing where teachers and parents know where children are in terms of

:32:30. > :32:34.measuring them against a national standard. There is huge pressure on

:32:35. > :32:39.schools to meet standards when children don't have the basic rights

:32:40. > :32:44.of being a human being. You are right to point out that emphasis has

:32:45. > :32:48.to be placed on improving the life chances of children when they

:32:49. > :32:52.arrive. That is what the foundation phase is there to do. I have

:32:53. > :32:59.examples of teachers on my part of Wales single, children arrive here

:33:00. > :33:04.and they can't speak. Had we get around that? We have doubled the

:33:05. > :33:09.numbers of families who have access to flying start to help parenting

:33:10. > :33:13.skills to make sure the children arrive school school ready. We have

:33:14. > :33:20.seen that weather has not happened. With respect, it isn't working. We

:33:21. > :33:23.are acting as social workers, caregivers, I could list a

:33:24. > :33:29.horrendous stories, just from this week. I want to be able to give

:33:30. > :33:33.those children a chance to live and thrive and live to their potential

:33:34. > :33:41.but they are not even eating. What do you think would help? There needs

:33:42. > :33:46.to be more support for parents and families that isn't coming through

:33:47. > :33:50.schools. It needs to be... There needs to be an extension of the

:33:51. > :33:56.school system so teachers are not doing those jobs as well. I work 70

:33:57. > :34:01.hours a week. I can't keep going. I appreciate that. It's not your job.

:34:02. > :34:07.We have got schemes like flying start and we need to make sure they

:34:08. > :34:12.are effective. But we still have examples of children who come in and

:34:13. > :34:16.they are already behind. The foundation phase will help them to

:34:17. > :34:26.catch up but it is still a lot of work. Lots of concerns in education.

:34:27. > :34:31.I must ask you about last night's BBC Wales investigation. This

:34:32. > :34:37.revealed a scam at a private college in Cardiff. Are you concerned about

:34:38. > :34:42.governance and regulation in this instance and specifically, the role

:34:43. > :34:46.of the government in this? It is an English College with a branch in

:34:47. > :34:52.Wales. It is a unique case. We have referred it to the police. They will

:34:53. > :34:57.conduct the investigation is now. There were regulations on the table

:34:58. > :35:04.anyway in order to further control that, so they were already prepared.

:35:05. > :35:08.But you are confident you are on it? Yes, that is why we referred it to

:35:09. > :35:13.the police. There is only one example of this in Wales, so we are

:35:14. > :35:16.fairly confident this is a unique case and there are regulations

:35:17. > :35:24.already repaired to be taken forward which was happening anyway to make

:35:25. > :35:30.sure that any loopholes closed. Let's move on to question number

:35:31. > :35:36.four. It's about devolution. We have heard a lot of discussion about

:35:37. > :35:41.existing devolved powers. What powers do you hope for in the next

:35:42. > :35:47.five years? And what you propose to do if you form the next government?

:35:48. > :35:53.I would not look to increase income tax. If you reducing contacts, there

:35:54. > :35:56.is a hidden Welsh government. The Conservatives said they would cut

:35:57. > :36:02.the higher rate by 5% but the standard rate by 1%. That statement

:36:03. > :36:06.was made within hours of the statement made by the Chancellor.

:36:07. > :36:10.You have to assess the things properly. I would like to do more

:36:11. > :36:13.with business rates. I would love to do a passenger duty. That would be

:36:14. > :36:19.an enormous boost to the Welsh economy. In terms of powers for the

:36:20. > :36:24.future, what worries me the moment is there is a bill on the table in

:36:25. > :36:29.Westminster which would have the effect of reversing the referendum

:36:30. > :36:34.in 2011. There was a referendum on whether the Assembly should have

:36:35. > :36:38.lawmaking powers and yesterday, an act came into force in Wales. We

:36:39. > :36:42.couldn't have done that without those powers. But what we are facing

:36:43. > :36:47.now is someone trying to reverse the result. That is not democracy, it

:36:48. > :36:51.can't be. We need to make sure we are treated with the same respect to

:36:52. > :36:56.Scotland and we are not. We are clear as to who does what we don't

:36:57. > :37:02.have that. We should sit down and work out what the future of the UK

:37:03. > :37:06.as a whole is as well. On income tax, there is likely to be a big

:37:07. > :37:13.issue in the election, you are going to go on as a party, saying, we will

:37:14. > :37:19.not raise income tax? How would that go down here? Anybody happy to pay

:37:20. > :37:28.more income tax? Lots of hands going up. Who thinks the First Minister is

:37:29. > :37:33.right? One. No, more. People are willing to pay more. Why not put

:37:34. > :37:39.them get more into the coffers? If you put up a high rate, there are

:37:40. > :37:46.relatively few rate taxpayers compared to the rest of the UK. In

:37:47. > :37:54.terms of increasing... Putting 1p on the standard rate, it raises about

:37:55. > :38:00.?70 million. In terms of a budget of ?50 billion, it is a huge amount

:38:01. > :38:05.more. In the future, what parties will have to look at is looking at

:38:06. > :38:12.increasing income tax to pay for a specific thing. You don't know when

:38:13. > :38:17.we will have this power, the funding situation we have still precarious.

:38:18. > :38:22.Bear in mind that 80% of our funding must all come from the Treasury and

:38:23. > :38:25.we are funded per head less than Scotland and Northern Ireland. I

:38:26. > :38:30.don't want is this to become an excuse for the Treasury to say, we

:38:31. > :38:37.will look at the fact you are underfunded, racial and money.

:38:38. > :38:43.That's not fair. The question said five years on, so 20 years into

:38:44. > :38:48.devolution, if you are still First Minister, do you want to say,

:38:49. > :38:55.devolution has delivered this, what? Confidence. We as a nation had

:38:56. > :39:01.no confidence at all. We expected to have jobs that were not well paid,

:39:02. > :39:04.we expected to have not very much, our youngsters did not expect

:39:05. > :39:08.opportunities but those days are changing. We have a government in

:39:09. > :39:14.Wales that can sell Wales, that is elected by the people of Wales, that

:39:15. > :39:17.isn't in a position have someone like John Redwood who stayed one

:39:18. > :39:22.night in Wales and was trying to govern Wales. We have a democracy

:39:23. > :39:28.now. If you don't like what I say, you have the opportunity to vote me

:39:29. > :39:29.out. You would have had no such opportunity if I was Secretary of

:39:30. > :39:30.State. If you'd like to get in touch with

:39:31. > :39:34.us about the issues discussed tonight or anything else, email us

:39:35. > :39:37.or follow us on social media. We'll be back in the New Year, but

:39:38. > :39:44.until then, thanks for watching.