:00:00. > :00:07.With just under two weeks to go until we go to the polls to decide
:00:08. > :00:10.the future of Britain's membership of the European Union,
:00:11. > :00:22.we hear from two senior members of the Welsh Conservative Party.
:00:23. > :00:23.And protecting the past for future generations,
:00:24. > :00:26.should more be done to safeguard historic buildings in Wales?
:00:27. > :00:37.Good evening, and welcome to The Wales Report.
:00:38. > :00:39.Remember, you can join in the debate on social media.
:00:40. > :00:47.Much of the focus of the referendum battle so far has been blue on blue,
:00:48. > :00:50.with Conservatives who want to remain taking on those
:00:51. > :00:59.Before we hear from two prominent members of the party in Wales
:01:00. > :01:03.with very different views, political commentator
:01:04. > :01:16.Professor Laura McAllister gives her verdict on the campaign so far.
:01:17. > :01:23.If we listen to the opinion polls, it looks as if voting patterns in
:01:24. > :01:28.Wales are similar to those in England. I don't think there has
:01:29. > :01:34.been a Welsh campaign. The whole campaign and the two voices for
:01:35. > :01:38.Remain and Leave have been dominated by a small group of men in the
:01:39. > :01:42.Conservative Party or on the fringes. We have not seen as much of
:01:43. > :01:48.Nigel Farage as we might have expected, it has been about Boris
:01:49. > :01:53.Johnson, Michael Gove, David Cameron and George Osborne. It has been very
:01:54. > :01:58.limited and elitist. We have come out of this with the public
:01:59. > :02:04.dissatisfied about the referendum as a device. It has to be divisive get
:02:05. > :02:12.people to from being not sure into yes or no. What is interesting,
:02:13. > :02:15.hardly anybody, with a cute exceptions, are rigidly guest or no,
:02:16. > :02:21.most of the population could see the arguments on both sides. If you talk
:02:22. > :02:30.to people on the ground, they may be 70% Remain and 30% Leave, or the
:02:31. > :02:32.other way around, but we have not had good quality, trustworthy
:02:33. > :02:37.information that has persuaded people in the group in the middle,
:02:38. > :02:43.sometimes as big as a quarter of the population, to feel clear they are
:02:44. > :02:47.making the choice will be right reasons.
:02:48. > :02:52.I'm joined now by the Secretary of State for Wales, Alun Cairns.
:02:53. > :03:00.Picking up on the point there, she is right that there has not been a
:03:01. > :03:05.Welsh campaign. This has been about the UK Conservative Party in the
:03:06. > :03:09.main. It is much bigger than any one political party. It is bigger than
:03:10. > :03:15.any one general election, it will set the scene for the next 20, 30,
:03:16. > :03:21.40 years. That is why it is so important, when it comes. I have
:03:22. > :03:29.stood on the same platform as Labour assembly members and Liberal
:03:30. > :03:33.Democrat politicians. I have stored on a cross-party basis. It is
:03:34. > :03:37.natural the UK media seem to dominate these issues. Looking at
:03:38. > :03:42.the campaign and the issues in Wales, Europe means something
:03:43. > :03:48.different in Wales, because you could argue we are beneficiaries,
:03:49. > :03:52.whereas the UK are net contributors. You could say it is an indictment of
:03:53. > :03:57.the state of the Welsh economy that we qualify for the EU money. This is
:03:58. > :04:02.much bigger than any EU aid that comes to Wales, although it is
:04:03. > :04:06.important, and it is the only way of reassuring that we will get that
:04:07. > :04:13.support if there is an invoked when the referendum comes. The reason it
:04:14. > :04:22.is bigger, it is about the economy. So much of our economy depends on
:04:23. > :04:27.the single European market. Tata is one example, we are looking to find
:04:28. > :04:31.a purchaser, new investment, not only at Port Talbot but across the
:04:32. > :04:40.UK. It is fundamental to the economic interest and productivity
:04:41. > :04:46.of Wales. 69% of the steel output from the UK goes to Europe. You try
:04:47. > :04:51.finding an investor if you tell them that 69% of your customers will be
:04:52. > :04:55.withdrawn at a certain date. It is far more likely that we will find an
:04:56. > :05:00.investor. That is why it demonstrates why it is so important
:05:01. > :05:04.that people think long and hard about this referendum and about how
:05:05. > :05:09.they vote. It would devastate the Port Talbot community and the whole
:05:10. > :05:17.Manufacturing base of the UK, as the Leave campaign have said. Your
:05:18. > :05:22.opponents would disagree. Note... EU exports, they are down in the past
:05:23. > :05:31.12 months, down 13%. Welsh exports to the EU. You can pick any one
:05:32. > :05:35.year, they naturally fluctuate and move. Let's go back to what the
:05:36. > :05:41.Leave campaign have said. Let's go to you on EU exports. We know how
:05:42. > :05:47.important manufacturing exports are. But the Leave campaign's chief
:05:48. > :05:51.economist has confessed and accepted that leaving the single European
:05:52. > :05:57.market would devastate our manufacturing base. I think
:05:58. > :06:01.manufacturing is too important to write it off so we can depend purely
:06:02. > :06:06.on some service sector jobs, many of which will be focused in London and
:06:07. > :06:12.the south-east. This is important to the economy in Wales, as is
:06:13. > :06:17.manufacturing being important to the communities in Wales. We will hear
:06:18. > :06:22.from the other side later. Lots of the concerns of people are about the
:06:23. > :06:26.fact that perhaps the money that we would lose if we were to leave
:06:27. > :06:32.Europe would then not come from the UK Government. You can guarantee you
:06:33. > :06:39.would not set Welsh farmers adrift or companies who depend on EU
:06:40. > :06:43.grants? You would fill that gap? Before any money can be distributed
:06:44. > :06:47.from the Treasury, from taxpayers, you have to have a successful
:06:48. > :06:52.economy that pays for it. That is why the single market is so
:06:53. > :06:58.important. I have highlighted manufacturing, it is so important to
:06:59. > :07:02.our farming base. That is why the farming bodies are supporting the in
:07:03. > :07:07.campaign and recommending that farmers vote in, simply on the basis
:07:08. > :07:13.that Welsh lamb and beef and produce get free access to the single
:07:14. > :07:19.European market. One of the most famous farmers, the leader of your
:07:20. > :07:24.party in Wales, once out. We know that the French farmers and the
:07:25. > :07:28.French Government would rightly act in their interests, we have had
:07:29. > :07:34.history of that with the beef on the bone ban. I am talking about the
:07:35. > :07:39.leader of your party in Wales, he wants out, he is a farmer. We used
:07:40. > :07:42.the European mechanisms to force the French to back down on a standpoint
:07:43. > :07:47.they took to protect their farmers. If we were outside the EU, they
:07:48. > :07:53.would raise the drawbridge to our produce. Have you told Andrew RT
:07:54. > :07:59.Davies he has got it wrong? It is bigger than any individual or party.
:08:00. > :08:05.It is cross-party. If you take 90% of economists, so many of the
:08:06. > :08:11.business people in Wales, so much of civic society, but more importantly,
:08:12. > :08:15.it is about the jobs and communities, such as Tata, the small
:08:16. > :08:25.companies that make components, the supply chains to tempt him's to
:08:26. > :08:29.Tata. The automotive sector... You are not answering the question, so I
:08:30. > :08:36.would like to move on. If Wales were to vote to remain and the UK were to
:08:37. > :08:43.vote to leave, what would you do? We recognise that it is the UK at the
:08:44. > :08:50.member state, we are all important parts of the family of the UK, but
:08:51. > :08:57.the reality is if the UK chose to leave, we know that Scotland is
:08:58. > :09:01.already perpetuating an argument they would want to look at the issue
:09:02. > :09:08.of independence again, so it could lead to constitutional pressures.
:09:09. > :09:12.And in Wales? It would lead to more economic uncertainty, that is what
:09:13. > :09:17.worries me. If we are to improve the lives of people, with prosperity,
:09:18. > :09:23.with drops, it comes down to the economy. You have made that point.
:09:24. > :09:29.Just on Wales, if Wales wants to stay in but the UK says, let's go,
:09:30. > :09:34.what power would you have, if any, to make your case at the Cabinet
:09:35. > :09:39.table? I will always make the case in Wales' interest, that it would
:09:40. > :09:44.lead to constitutional pressures, obviously, as we know that Scotland
:09:45. > :09:49.have said they would be looking at a second referendum. That would lead
:09:50. > :09:53.to further uncertainty, business and investment does not like
:09:54. > :09:56.uncertainty. The economic interests of Wales would be undermined even
:09:57. > :10:02.further, and those jobs that have been created, we had a hat-trick of
:10:03. > :10:06.good news just last month, employment is rising, and implement
:10:07. > :10:10.is falling, all of that could be undermined in one fell swoop. If it
:10:11. > :10:18.is outcome should David Cameron go? Absolutely not. He has committed to
:10:19. > :10:21.the referendum, people said he would never do so, he has lived up to his
:10:22. > :10:27.promise. But this is bigger than him. It is such an important
:10:28. > :10:31.decision, it is fundamental to our prosperity, to the public services
:10:32. > :10:35.that live off the taxes that are raised on the back of successful
:10:36. > :10:38.businesses and people going out and earning money, that is what pays for
:10:39. > :10:43.the health service, education provision. It is such an important
:10:44. > :10:50.issue. Anything that will undermine the economy is damaging. Can I just
:10:51. > :10:54.ask about the Wales Bill published yesterday? You talk about clarity
:10:55. > :10:58.and accountability. But there is a more conciliatory tone between you
:10:59. > :11:05.and the First Minister on this version. Except on policing. I want
:11:06. > :11:09.to explore why not make Welsh police accountable to the Welsh Government.
:11:10. > :11:14.Clarity and accountability have been the guiding principles through the
:11:15. > :11:19.whole of the drafting of this bill. It is about a constitutional issue.
:11:20. > :11:26.I want to free the Welsh Government to legislate to matter to real
:11:27. > :11:30.people. They can introduce laws that will help create prosperity, deliver
:11:31. > :11:33.better public services, there has been too much confusion of who is
:11:34. > :11:39.responsible. I believe we have already devolved the Police and
:11:40. > :11:44.Crime Commissioner, we had the elections for that, they should set
:11:45. > :11:50.the priority within their area. Centralising policing in Cardiff or
:11:51. > :11:55.Cardiff Bay for the whole of the UK, I don't think that is the right way
:11:56. > :12:01.forward. It is better to have Police and Crime Commissioner is in the
:12:02. > :12:05.force area is, where they can reflect the priorities in those
:12:06. > :12:08.communities. The priorities for Dyfed-Powys Police the front from
:12:09. > :12:14.the priorities for South Wales Police. Real devolution, where it is
:12:15. > :12:15.closer to communities, is more effective in delivering on that sort
:12:16. > :12:17.of policy area. We've heard the case for Britain
:12:18. > :12:20.to remain in the EU, so now let's hear from the opposite
:12:21. > :12:23.side of the debate, and from the leader
:12:24. > :12:38.of the Welsh Conservatives in Wales, Why did you think it is so important
:12:39. > :12:42.for Wales to leave? The question on the ballot paper is simple, do we
:12:43. > :12:46.continue with our relationship and go further into a political union of
:12:47. > :12:54.the superstate of Europe, or do we pull ourselves out and become a
:12:55. > :12:57.trading nation, which UK and Wales have historically always been? We
:12:58. > :13:02.can be stronger out of a political union that is the inevitable journey
:13:03. > :13:08.that has been taken by the bureaucrats in Brussels. I asked
:13:09. > :13:13.about Wales, because Wales is a net beneficiary from being in the EU.
:13:14. > :13:16.The UK is not, it is a contributor, it gets less out of it and it puts
:13:17. > :13:24.him. It is not the picture for Wales. Wales is part of the UK, I am
:13:25. > :13:30.a proud unionist, I believe that Wales and are fitted from being in
:13:31. > :13:33.the union of the UK. The UK has not benefited from being in this
:13:34. > :13:38.political project that is an ever closer union on the continent. I
:13:39. > :13:42.want to remain good neighbours with our friends and allies on the
:13:43. > :13:47.continent, but I believe Wales and the UK could be stronger by spending
:13:48. > :13:51.its own many within its own borders and holding the politicians to
:13:52. > :13:52.account by a them to the various parliaments and assemblies of the
:13:53. > :14:04.UK. But UID leader of the party in Wales
:14:05. > :14:11.and -- dear not recognise UID leader of the party in Wales, and steal not
:14:12. > :14:15.recognise that Wales benefits? That is why we have a stand-alone
:14:16. > :14:20.referendum. Everyone's boat is as important of the next man and woman.
:14:21. > :14:26.That is why the Conservative Party deserve a huge amount of credit for
:14:27. > :14:32.putting forward a referendum on this important issue. We have seen by the
:14:33. > :14:35.surge in voter registration, and enthusiasm for registration. People
:14:36. > :14:42.want to take part in this referendum. You talk about trade and
:14:43. > :14:44.business and as a Leave campaigner, small businesses... ?
:14:45. > :14:51.In support of the euro. You have a huge businessman in Wales
:14:52. > :14:55.supporting Remain. You have people wanting to stay. You are willing to
:14:56. > :15:01.jeopardise all that in order to leave the EU? At is not the case. We
:15:02. > :15:07.can unshackle many businesses the length and breadth of Wales and the
:15:08. > :15:11.United Kingdom. 100% of businesses have to be shackled by the red tape
:15:12. > :15:14.of Europe. If you have more than 50 trade
:15:15. > :15:18.agreements beyond the EU with the rest of the world and would have to
:15:19. > :15:22.renegotiate that and how long would that take?
:15:23. > :15:25.There is also a trade deficit that the European Union or the countries
:15:26. > :15:35.of the European Union, with many billions more pounds of goods into
:15:36. > :15:37.the UK bank goes out. We have traded for hundreds of years across the
:15:38. > :15:42.globe as a trading nation and I believe we would be more successful
:15:43. > :15:45.unshackle ourselves from the red tape and bureaucracy of Brussels,
:15:46. > :15:51.holding our own politicians to account. There is no such thing as
:15:52. > :15:58.European money, spending our money. The length and breadth of Wales and
:15:59. > :16:01.the United Kingdom, quality jobs and decent take-home pay.
:16:02. > :16:07.You are a businessman and benefit from EU subsidies.
:16:08. > :16:12.Yes, we have a small fraction of money coming back from Brussels.
:16:13. > :16:16.If you're willing to fork forfeit that in order to get the money
:16:17. > :16:19.direct from London... What would you say to a farmer who does not have a
:16:20. > :16:26.second salary and is not a politician? He wants to keep that
:16:27. > :16:29.money, and once Wales to stay in the EU.
:16:30. > :16:33.I offer two examples of the things that have held him back on his
:16:34. > :16:38.business. The first is the loss of health farm support payments taken
:16:39. > :16:45.out why Carwyn Jones, as he told us, because of EU regulations. And
:16:46. > :16:48.on-farm burial, a proposal brought forward across the continent of the
:16:49. > :16:55.Europe to deal with a specific issue in Holland which added a huge cost
:16:56. > :17:01.to farmers they like and breadth of the UK but in Wales importantly. It
:17:02. > :17:06.is an obligation on every national Government to have food security...
:17:07. > :17:08.You can guarantee that a UK Conservative Government would give
:17:09. > :17:13.all that money that comes to Wales by the EU, it would still come to
:17:14. > :17:17.Wales? You can guarantee that? I would suggest that if any
:17:18. > :17:20.Government turned its back on food security it would be neglecting its
:17:21. > :17:24.duty of securing the nation 's future.
:17:25. > :17:28.Can you guarantee... ? No politician can guarantee anything
:17:29. > :17:31.in the future because it is democracy that counts and who gets
:17:32. > :17:34.voted in... But that is what makes people
:17:35. > :17:39.nervous. But if you look at the way the
:17:40. > :17:43.common agricultural policy is developing and expansion in Europe,
:17:44. > :17:46.with six or seven countries coming in, the common agricultural policy
:17:47. > :17:53.is a shrieking part of the overall budget. Every seven years,
:17:54. > :17:57.renegotiation and that gets smaller. We would be fighting to make sure
:17:58. > :18:02.that the larger part of that money would be coming to Wales, not
:18:03. > :18:04.Whitehall but Wales, to be spent on the priorities of the Welsh
:18:05. > :18:09.Government. If you win, should David Cameron
:18:10. > :18:13.resign? He has a five year mandate. This is
:18:14. > :18:18.one part of our manifesto, the referendum. The Prime Minister led
:18:19. > :18:22.us to a majority Government only 14 months ago and it is important and
:18:23. > :18:25.imperative that the Government get on with the excellent job they have
:18:26. > :18:30.been doing, securing the public finances...
:18:31. > :18:32.So you do not want Boris Johnson in number ten?
:18:33. > :18:36.We know there will be a leadership challenge. The Prime Minister has
:18:37. > :18:41.said he will not fight the 2020 general election... He has a
:18:42. > :18:45.five-year mandate, the Prime Minister. The then minister along
:18:46. > :18:47.with colleagues at the top of Government have work to stabilise
:18:48. > :18:54.the finances and create a Government with creating quality jobs...
:18:55. > :18:58.Back to Boris Johnson, do you want him in number ten Downing St? You
:18:59. > :19:03.have just said he will be stepping down if they can before the next
:19:04. > :19:06.general election, is Boris Johnson the man?
:19:07. > :19:11.The first hurdle... Who do you back?
:19:12. > :19:14.That is not only to say. The parliamentary colleagues will
:19:15. > :19:17.nominate two individuals to go to the wider party membership. Party
:19:18. > :19:22.colleagues in Westminster will have that... I am clear who I want to
:19:23. > :19:27.leave but it is not for me to interject at this time. The Prime
:19:28. > :19:32.Minister has a five-year mandate and it is important he serves that...
:19:33. > :19:37.Very briefly... You acknowledge you are a divided party. Can you kiss
:19:38. > :19:41.and make up after this? We are a successful party which won
:19:42. > :19:46.a general election 14 months ago and has a growing economy that is the
:19:47. > :19:51.envy of the world. We have national defence back on a level playing
:19:52. > :19:54.field. We have improved education, and are responsible for that. We are
:19:55. > :20:02.a party that has delivered. Thank you very much.
:20:03. > :20:06.The first one annoying pound deal in the world was struck there and after
:20:07. > :20:07.years of uncertainty, the iconic coal exchange in Cardiff Bay is at
:20:08. > :20:12.eight crucial junction. forward to give the building
:20:13. > :20:16.a new lease of life as a hotel, The proposal is now awaiting
:20:17. > :20:20.planning permission and costings Campaigners warn that the building
:20:21. > :20:24.is still in danger, and the work needs to happen as
:20:25. > :20:25.quickly as possible. So how can we ensure that our most
:20:26. > :20:28.important historic buildings in Wales are protected and restored
:20:29. > :20:31.in a way that's both Before we discuss that,
:20:32. > :20:34.here's filmmaker Nick Broomfield's reaction on visiting
:20:35. > :20:35.Butetown in Cardiff for the first time since 1969
:20:36. > :20:40.for his documentary "Going Going Gone: Nick Broomfield's
:20:41. > :20:48.Disappearing Britain". The BBC documentary reveals his
:20:49. > :21:05.anger at the state of the building. Look at that. That is really screwed
:21:06. > :21:09.up. The coal exchange was my favourite building when I lived in
:21:10. > :21:16.Cardiff, and when I recently read it was faced with demolition, I came
:21:17. > :21:24.back to visit my old friend. Hello. Come on in. I am Lisa. Here is the
:21:25. > :21:28.main hall, which we are not allowed into any more. The council has put a
:21:29. > :21:33.restrictive order on it because they believe it is dangerous.
:21:34. > :21:36.So we cannot go in? Unfortunately, no. You cannot argue
:21:37. > :21:41.with council health and safety, they are the bosses.
:21:42. > :21:44.Why do you think they want to close it?
:21:45. > :21:50.That is a long story. Let's go up to the office. This is the building in
:21:51. > :22:01.occupation, and that is the floor of the exchange full of traders.
:22:02. > :22:04.What you are doing must take a lot of time and energy.
:22:05. > :22:07.It has been interesting and I have done a lot of campaigning over the
:22:08. > :22:12.years but never came across something where there is so much
:22:13. > :22:13.sentiment locally, support and emotional attachment to the idea
:22:14. > :22:22.that this place should rise again. I'm joined now by Professor
:22:23. > :22:33.Annette Pritchard and Madeline Gray is from the University
:22:34. > :22:37.of South Wales and Annette Pritchard is from the Welsh Centre for tourism
:22:38. > :22:41.research. Professor Pritchard, we saw on that old board at the
:22:42. > :22:47.beginning of the piece, seeking a future. It is so difficult to secure
:22:48. > :22:52.that future. It is difficult to arrange funding.
:22:53. > :22:56.These future icons are so important to the visitor economy of Wales, but
:22:57. > :23:01.it wills itself, the places and people we are. One of the stories we
:23:02. > :23:04.tell of each other, and what are the stories we tell to the world?
:23:05. > :23:14.Without those stories and buildings, it would become a place without a
:23:15. > :23:18.place. No history or heritage. We need to work to manage and bring
:23:19. > :23:23.these buildings to life again. Has it got into this with the coal
:23:24. > :23:27.exchange specifically? The problem is we need to see it in
:23:28. > :23:33.a bigger picture. Bigger than this one iconic building. In Cardiff dock
:23:34. > :23:37.area we have a number of beautiful buildings, a lot of which need care
:23:38. > :23:42.and attention. We have to think about how we find a proper use for
:23:43. > :23:47.them. It is not going to work if we just conserve the building as an
:23:48. > :23:53.icon. It has got to have an end use. And proposals for a Hotel, for
:23:54. > :23:58.example? Private money coming in, is that the way forward?
:23:59. > :24:02.An excellent idea. There is no use trying to preserve it as a heritage
:24:03. > :24:05.centre, which just does not work. I don't think there is any point just
:24:06. > :24:10.trying to conserve one building standing on its own.
:24:11. > :24:15.But how do you then preserve the integrity of the building? A hotel
:24:16. > :24:19.could move in and make it more or less and minimalist, and is that the
:24:20. > :24:22.future? You must respect the integrity of the building, don't
:24:23. > :24:25.you? You do, and I think most developers
:24:26. > :24:31.interested in bringing life back to an old building and developing it
:24:32. > :24:33.would respect that. It is the unique selling point for the building to
:24:34. > :24:39.talk about its history and role in the wider community and world. To be
:24:40. > :24:44.able to say, within this hotel, the first million pound cheque was
:24:45. > :24:48.signed. This building dictated coal prices around the world. Those are
:24:49. > :24:54.important stories to tell, which developers would make use of enabled
:24:55. > :24:59.way. Then it can... If you look at the marketability of
:25:00. > :25:05.Saint pancreas hotel in London, it could be... It could be a St Pancras
:25:06. > :25:08.of Cardiff. And this company have developed a
:25:09. > :25:13.hotel in Liverpool and things like that. It is about bringing those
:25:14. > :25:18.stories to life... Should it be moved brick by brick?
:25:19. > :25:22.That is a huge tourist attraction. We do heritage extremely well in
:25:23. > :25:26.some places. Is that the future of these buildings? But there is the
:25:27. > :25:32.cost. I would think this could serve as
:25:33. > :25:34.the catalyst for the regeneration of historic Butetown in general. There
:25:35. > :25:38.are wonderful buildings and I think of this can be brought back to life
:25:39. > :25:42.that is a template which could be used in other buildings. To tell the
:25:43. > :25:46.stories of the people of Butetown and in Cardiff Bay we do not get
:25:47. > :25:51.those stories just now. It is not just about Cardiff. We
:25:52. > :25:56.have all hospitals and gorgeous buildings and their future is in
:25:57. > :26:01.jeopardy. When you look at the budgets of heritage, it includes
:26:02. > :26:05.media and so forth, 0.5% of the Welsh Government. It cannot only be
:26:06. > :26:13.public money. It is our biggest growth industry,
:26:14. > :26:16.heritage tourism. It needs more public funding, it ought to, but you
:26:17. > :26:24.have got the problem of finding an end use body-building. Almost always
:26:25. > :26:29.that involves the public cell sector. -- public sector.
:26:30. > :26:34.Do we have too much emphasis on conservation?
:26:35. > :26:38.Not too much emphasis on conservation. What you need is the
:26:39. > :26:44.balance between conservation and an end use for the building. Otherwise
:26:45. > :26:47.it will not work in 20 or 30 years, and we will have the problems again
:26:48. > :26:52.down the line. To end on the coal exchange, it is
:26:53. > :26:55.crisis time. You cannot go in the main hall because it is dangerous.
:26:56. > :27:02.There is a fear it could completely fall down unless of thing is done
:27:03. > :27:07.quickly. What needs to be done? This Hotel development is anyway its
:27:08. > :27:11.best chance of survival. I think that kind of the element, harnessing
:27:12. > :27:17.the private and public sector together is the only way forward.
:27:18. > :27:22.And those who would argue against the hotel, saying it disturbs the
:27:23. > :27:25.integrity of the iconic building? The danger is what happens to it at
:27:26. > :27:29.that does not happen. They should, with a better idea.
:27:30. > :27:31.Thank you, Professors. There won't be a programme next
:27:32. > :27:36.Wednesday, but join Huw Edwards for a special debate
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