:00:00. > :00:00.Tonight on The Wales Report, is enough being done to increase
:00:00. > :00:12.With Brexit on the horizon, what next for the party in Wales?
:00:13. > :00:15.We speak to Welsh leader Neil Hamilton.
:00:16. > :00:17.And the power shift back from Brussels.
:00:18. > :00:31.Now that the UK is leaving the European Union, what happens when
:00:32. > :00:34.these powers are returned? What does it mean for Wales and is there a
:00:35. > :00:37.risk that we've bitten off more than we can chew?
:00:38. > :00:43.Good evening and welcome to the Wales Report.
:00:44. > :00:46.You can join us too on social media tonight - #thewalesreport.
:00:47. > :00:49.A secure affordable home is an essential part of life.
:00:50. > :00:53.And it seems that providing that here in Wales is proving to be
:00:54. > :00:57.While it's predicted that around T2,700 new affordable homes will be
:00:58. > :01:00.Experts say that is just about half the number
:01:01. > :01:04.In a moment, I'll be talking to the Welsh Government minister
:01:05. > :01:26.But first, a look at the range of issues he's facing.
:01:27. > :01:30.Housing in Wales has changed dramatically in the last few
:01:31. > :01:36.decades. Council housing is virtually a thing of the past. And
:01:37. > :01:40.the rental sector is now provided mainly by housing associations and
:01:41. > :01:43.private landlords. And pressure on the rented sector is increasing
:01:44. > :01:51.because more and more people are struggling to buy their own homes. A
:01:52. > :01:56.216 increase over the last 20 years, which has not been reflected in
:01:57. > :02:01.wages, means that affordable housing has become increasingly less
:02:02. > :02:08.affordable for people in Wales. The knock-on effects on that in the
:02:09. > :02:17.long-term will be one of increasing instability in the market. It will
:02:18. > :02:21.be a fact that people are less likely to invest in their own homes.
:02:22. > :02:26.If you do not own it, you are less likely to spend money back will have
:02:27. > :02:29.impact on the quality of stock. And just as in the rented sector, there
:02:30. > :02:36.has been massive change in the way we build new houses. In 1955, old
:02:37. > :02:42.with a 70% of all new homes were built by the public sector. Now 80%
:02:43. > :02:46.are built by the private sector. Developers have expressed concern
:02:47. > :02:49.that the Welsh Government have made it unviable to build in some parts
:02:50. > :02:54.of Wales through their regulations and extra red tape. Wherever the
:02:55. > :03:00.truth lies, leading figures are stressing they are growing concern.
:03:01. > :03:09.The problem and have is a simple supply and demand. The demand for
:03:10. > :03:12.housing is increasing and the suppliers of keeping up. You have a
:03:13. > :03:16.supply and demand equation that is going to get out of step and what
:03:17. > :03:23.that then does is create pressure on prices. Whether that is in the
:03:24. > :03:27.rented or buying sector, that forces pricing upwards. Which takes it
:03:28. > :03:31.further out of the reach of people who are looking to access the
:03:32. > :03:33.housing market. And there is one further phenomena which is only
:03:34. > :03:41.going to increase pressure on Wales' housing stock. We are all living
:03:42. > :03:45.longer. People are desperately keen to downsize from a family home to a
:03:46. > :03:49.smaller property but inevitably, the smaller properties that are around
:03:50. > :03:52.I'm not really designed for people in old arrays. We need to be
:03:53. > :03:57.thinking quite cleverly about the kind of properties we are creating
:03:58. > :04:02.for people that want to downsize and that creates a family property that
:04:03. > :04:06.is available for people to move at the value chain. It is that value
:04:07. > :04:11.chain of first-time buyers, families then looking to buy their second
:04:12. > :04:14.home, third home, and if those family homes are not being freed
:04:15. > :04:17.because there are not adequate properties for the elderly to think
:04:18. > :04:24.about moving into, effectively the whole chain of properties gets
:04:25. > :04:28.blocked. Housing is a convex issue driven by external market forces as
:04:29. > :04:34.well as government policy. There may be much disagreement about the way
:04:35. > :04:42.forward but most people agree this is one of the most pressing issues
:04:43. > :04:53.on the government 's agenda. It is one of their top issues. My concern
:04:54. > :04:58.is when the was given to the housing, they tended to build
:04:59. > :05:06.affordable housing and not housing overall. We will not be able to meet
:05:07. > :05:08.the Welsh Government target of 20,000 new affordable homes
:05:09. > :05:13.developed over the next five years. Earlier I spoke to the Welsh
:05:14. > :05:15.Government secretary Does he recognise that
:05:16. > :05:30.there is a shortage The Welsh Government in the
:05:31. > :05:33.manifesto commitment in launching 20,000 new units, a massive
:05:34. > :05:38.commitment from this government because we recognise there are
:05:39. > :05:41.pressures in the system. And that is your target for the next assembly
:05:42. > :05:46.term, double your previous target. Are you convinced you will deliver
:05:47. > :05:49.on that? The Welsh Government don't build homes. But it does enable
:05:50. > :06:01.other people to do so and our partners deliver last time for us.
:06:02. > :06:03.We were working with the builders and Welsh local government
:06:04. > :06:10.Association and I am convinced that we can do this. You need partners.
:06:11. > :06:18.What about some of those big builders who are saying that you're
:06:19. > :06:22.just introducing too much red tape. They do not like the legislation. I
:06:23. > :06:30.am saying there is an opportunity for all to build in Wales. I am
:06:31. > :06:36.saying that SMEs are confident they can help us develop this as well.
:06:37. > :06:41.Builders race this issue with me on many occasions. What seems to be
:06:42. > :06:47.negotiable is the profits that national builders mate. I am saying
:06:48. > :06:52.what we have to do is if we all believe there is pressure in the
:06:53. > :06:57.housing system, we all have to come to the table and give a little bit
:06:58. > :07:01.as well. You say you will enable people to build 20,000 affordable
:07:02. > :07:03.homes during disassembly gym, and you commissioned research that
:07:04. > :07:08.suggested you needed 12,000 new homes every year in Wales. That is
:07:09. > :07:15.nowhere near your target. -- this assembly term. The figures enabled
:07:16. > :07:19.in that report are the figures we recognise. We are not saying that
:07:20. > :07:23.20,000 homes are the only homes that will be built in Wales. We are
:07:24. > :07:30.expecting the market to come to the table as well. We recognise that.
:07:31. > :07:35.What's your target overall? The market will lead and the market
:07:36. > :07:37.control most of that force as well. When they build homes, they control
:07:38. > :07:44.when they build, where they go, and how they build that too. I have
:07:45. > :07:45.meetings with the National house-builders and SMEs on a regular
:07:46. > :08:02.basis. I listen to programmes, your
:08:03. > :08:07.programme saying there are pressure points but we need homes across the
:08:08. > :08:12.whole of Wales, not just on the 55 corridor. All in the Cardiff City
:08:13. > :08:18.region. You could be pretty radical and follow your leader in
:08:19. > :08:22.Westminster, Jeremy Corbyn, suggesting building Council homes
:08:23. > :08:26.again. Why not go back to that? We are and I am glad that you have
:08:27. > :08:31.raised the issue. It is a very ambitious policy. You go to... You
:08:32. > :08:34.are more than welcome to come with me to French or Cardiff well we have
:08:35. > :08:44.already started. There are Council homes being built -- French chef. --
:08:45. > :08:49.Flintshire. What are the targets for new council bills? We don't have any
:08:50. > :08:54.talismans. The issue of years but the mixing homes that we are healed
:08:55. > :09:00.to the 20,000 from Help To Buy because all the problems it is
:09:01. > :09:04.renting and then to own, terrestrial problems as we are going to do,
:09:05. > :09:10.council poverty Bill Condon is a mixture of things that we are able
:09:11. > :09:13.to do year to deliver on the 20,000. Shelter released David target
:09:14. > :09:16.recently saying that Wales has the second was poorest housing in the UK
:09:17. > :09:26.outside London. You can be proud of that at 16, 17 years. Indeed. The
:09:27. > :09:29.stock and housing supplies amenities seminar troubles. Here in Wales and
:09:30. > :09:36.we are making investments in our programme. That is something I would
:09:37. > :09:40.be a the homes schemes, how we built another create new properties from
:09:41. > :09:42.the appeals programmes, how would we built another create new properties
:09:43. > :09:46.from the appeals programmes, hardly a group of disrupted their steam and
:09:47. > :09:50.the Alves scheme which is very stressful. And long-term agenda is I
:09:51. > :09:53.don't have a finance as soon to a deliver on some of these long-term
:09:54. > :09:57.proposals here now. They through austerity control by the UK
:09:58. > :10:02.Government. Our budget has shrunk by billions of pounds and therefore we
:10:03. > :10:07.have to cut our cloth accordingly but what is important is one of our
:10:08. > :10:10.main key priorities is good in the 20,000 units for people of Wales and
:10:11. > :10:15.mask when ambitious but I'm sure we can do it that with our partners.
:10:16. > :10:18.Resignations, in-fighting, physical at times, and a second
:10:19. > :10:21.Ukip are a party at each other's throats.
:10:22. > :10:25.Wales is no different - Ukip are down an AM in the Assembly
:10:26. > :10:28.after a clash between Neil Hamilton and the former leader of the party
:10:29. > :10:33.The situation is so bad, one of the leadership candidates,
:10:34. > :10:36.MEP Paul Nutall, says the fighting in Wales must stop if the party
:10:37. > :10:40.Before we hear from the party's leader in Wales Neil Hamilton,
:10:41. > :10:56.here's a quick re-cap of Ukip's turbulent year.
:10:57. > :11:03.Not long ago, it looked like tiny 16 was going to be Ukip Cor. In Mays
:11:04. > :11:11.assembly election, you can change the face of world politics and 17
:11:12. > :11:14.seats in the Senedd. But then things started to unravel. Claims the party
:11:15. > :11:22.was riddled with factions and personal animosity. First there was
:11:23. > :11:27.Neil Hamilton versus Nathan Deal. Days after taking to their biggest
:11:28. > :11:30.electoral success in Wales, Nathan Gill was beaten by Neil Hamilton in
:11:31. > :11:36.the vote for the leadership of the assembly group. In August, he left
:11:37. > :11:43.the group to sit as an independent, citing infighting. Neil Hamilton
:11:44. > :11:45.seemed pleased. Given that he's a part-time Assembly Member and we
:11:46. > :11:49.don't see much of him, in practical terms, it is not going to make a
:11:50. > :11:54.great difference. So seven became six in the assembly. But at least
:11:55. > :12:00.they had a leader. Essentially, Diane James was elected to succeed
:12:01. > :12:06.Nigel Farage. She left after 18 days in the job. The infighting turned
:12:07. > :12:10.physical. So another week, another leadership contest, and the turmoil
:12:11. > :12:14.of Ukip continues to delight the satirists.
:12:15. > :12:15.So what exactly is the party for now?
:12:16. > :12:24.Joining me is Neil Hamilton, the leader of Ukip in Wales.
:12:25. > :12:32.Are you ashamed and embarrassed by the state of your party? Not at all.
:12:33. > :12:37.Ukip is a vibrant, red-blooded party. It's no secret that there are
:12:38. > :12:43.big personalities who've fallen out with each other, but that's no
:12:44. > :12:49.different to any other party. And it is about personality rather than
:12:50. > :12:53.political policy? This is about grown men in suits bickering? It's
:12:54. > :12:59.not bickering. There is a leadership contest going on at the moment and
:13:00. > :13:04.we have four or five candidates. If that is bickering, that is
:13:05. > :13:08.democracy. Let's look at the state of the party in Wales. The former
:13:09. > :13:14.leader, Nathan Gill - when did you last speak to him? Not for some
:13:15. > :13:26.time. That's not important. He decided to leave our group. It's all
:13:27. > :13:29.a bit childish. It is. You don't get on with Nathan Gill? I got on with
:13:30. > :13:32.him well, but he couldn't cope with the fact that the majority of the
:13:33. > :13:38.group preferred to have me as leader rather than him. He didn't like the
:13:39. > :13:44.result of a democratic ballot. He was elected as a Ukip AM, and I
:13:45. > :13:49.would like him to be back as a Ukip AM, but on the basis that he is a
:13:50. > :13:52.full-time member of this place. If he gave up Brussels, you would
:13:53. > :13:58.welcome him back, but while he remains there, he's out? It is a
:13:59. > :14:04.decision for the group, not just me. You asked me about my personal
:14:05. > :14:08.preference. I want Ukip here to be as big as possible. Everyone who is
:14:09. > :14:13.in it has to be a team player. You can't have a tantrum when you don't
:14:14. > :14:21.get what you want. Are you a team player? Very much so. You an backing
:14:22. > :14:25.Paul Nuttall for the leadership. He has said the situation in Wales is
:14:26. > :14:31.untenable and needs to be sorted out. He has said that you and Mr
:14:32. > :14:36.Gill need to kiss and make up. Will that happen? That is rather a
:14:37. > :14:43.gruesome picture! Nevertheless, I know what you mean. I have said that
:14:44. > :14:48.if Nathan is prepared to be a team player, we will consider allowing
:14:49. > :14:51.him back in the group. But if he will not accept the democratic
:14:52. > :14:58.decisions of the group, I cannot see how he can be a member of the team.
:14:59. > :15:02.Tell us about the ideological differences that are ripping Ukip
:15:03. > :15:08.apart? We know the personalities. You don't get on with Nigel Farage
:15:09. > :15:13.or Nathan Gill. But just explain to us why Ukip is divided in terms of
:15:14. > :15:18.its future direction? I don't think it is divided on policy issues at
:15:19. > :15:25.all. We are determined that Britain should leave the European Union, and
:15:26. > :15:31.we want a free trade deal to follow. In terms of domestic policy, we have
:15:32. > :15:35.a whole range of policy positions, which are radically different to any
:15:36. > :15:41.of the other major parties. The big problem is that you had a dream, to
:15:42. > :15:47.leave the EU. That is going to happen. Since that dream has now
:15:48. > :15:55.gone, and been delivered, you have imploded, and you have no purpose.
:15:56. > :15:58.Ukip has not imploded. We have had some spectacular fallings out, and
:15:59. > :16:02.that's with a small number of people at the top of the party, some of
:16:03. > :16:08.whom have now left. Nathan Gill has resigned from the group at the
:16:09. > :16:12.Senedd here in Cardiff. These individuals are not representative
:16:13. > :16:17.of the National party. Nathan Gill was one out of seven people elected
:16:18. > :16:22.in assembly here. The rest of us are getting on with our day job. What
:16:23. > :16:28.are you delivering for the people of Wales, who put you hear? What
:16:29. > :16:33.difference are you making? You said you would shake this place up. What
:16:34. > :16:38.have you done in terms of policy? After vilifying us for many years,
:16:39. > :16:42.because we have been sceptics about the craze for man-made global
:16:43. > :16:46.warming, today the Welsh government has slashed its government for
:16:47. > :16:52.climate change capital projects by a third. This is something we have
:16:53. > :16:58.been laughed at about, for saying that it is a waste of money and is
:16:59. > :17:03.increasing poverty amongst the most vulnerable people in Wales, because
:17:04. > :17:09.it is all financed out of the green taxes, which people cannot afford to
:17:10. > :17:13.pay if they are low income. What difference are you making? We are
:17:14. > :17:18.the only party who wants to democratise the NHS. If we become
:17:19. > :17:23.the government of Wales, that is the model we shall introduce. Sadly,
:17:24. > :17:29.there isn't an election for another four and a half years. Many people
:17:30. > :17:32.in Wales turned to you because you offered something different. You
:17:33. > :17:36.promised to shake things up, that you would not be establishment
:17:37. > :17:43.politicians, that you would play by different rules. But for out of six
:17:44. > :17:47.of you employ family members - does that send out a message that you are
:17:48. > :17:51.different? Of course, there is nothing wrong with that. If you look
:17:52. > :17:57.at the position in other parties, lots of them do as well. In the case
:17:58. > :18:02.of family members, it is the assembly responsible for
:18:03. > :18:06.appointments, not the AMs. They have to go through a process carried out
:18:07. > :18:12.by the HR department of the assembly. I played no part in the
:18:13. > :18:16.appointment of my wife as my PA and diary secretary. She does have 26
:18:17. > :18:22.years of experience in the House of Commons to fall back on, and works
:18:23. > :18:28.24/7, because it is part of our pillow talk as well. What about the
:18:29. > :18:36.fact that you do not live in Wales. Have you got plans to move here? I
:18:37. > :18:42.live in Cardiff for four days a week, because this is where the
:18:43. > :18:48.assembly is based. It meets for 35 weeks a year. I represent 75% of the
:18:49. > :18:55.Welsh landmass, all the way from Carmarthen to Pembroke, to Hay on
:18:56. > :19:00.Wye. I am out in my region on other days of the week. I live in my
:19:01. > :19:07.wife's house when I have some leisure moments, which happens to be
:19:08. > :19:10.an hour from Cardiff. I am just thinking of perception, because your
:19:11. > :19:17.main residence isn't in Wales. Is that sending the right message? I am
:19:18. > :19:22.100% a member of this place, and I am delivering in terms of putting
:19:23. > :19:27.Ukip on the political map of Wales. I don't think anybody will say I
:19:28. > :19:31.have not made an impact on this place, and Ukip has not made an
:19:32. > :19:34.impact on Wales politically. Thank you.
:19:35. > :19:37.What happens when powers currently held in the European Union
:19:38. > :19:41.Will some of them come straight to Wales, or will
:19:42. > :19:44.Dr Rachel Minto - a newly appointed Brexit expert
:19:45. > :19:47.at the Wales Governance Centre - thinks there are complications that
:19:48. > :19:52.She says there are serious risks that Wales could end up losing
:19:53. > :19:57.Dr Minto has paid a visit to Blaenau Gwent, the area which saw
:19:58. > :20:12.the strongest leave vote in Wales, to consider the implications.
:20:13. > :20:20.National sovereignty. The authority of the UK to govern itself. This was
:20:21. > :20:25.one of the major issues in the EU referendum, and in places that voted
:20:26. > :20:29.strongly to leave, like here in Blaenau Gwent, many people don't
:20:30. > :20:34.like the idea of European institutions taking power away from
:20:35. > :20:39.the UK, or even the idea of the UK having to comply with decisions
:20:40. > :20:43.taken at EU level. So now that the UK is leaving the EU, what happens
:20:44. > :20:49.when these powers are returned? What does it mean for Wales? Is there a
:20:50. > :20:54.risk we have bitten off more then we can chew. It is important to
:20:55. > :21:00.remember that the process of devolution in Wales has unfolded
:21:01. > :21:05.within the context of EU membership. The first successful referendum on
:21:06. > :21:12.Welsh devolution took place in 1997, two decades after the UK joined what
:21:13. > :21:17.was then the European Economic Community. Some policy areas
:21:18. > :21:25.devolved to Wales, like agriculture, and are heavily Europeanised. That
:21:26. > :21:29.means that decisions taken in Cardiff are constrained within an EU
:21:30. > :21:32.framework. When that is lifted, Wales will have greater freedom when
:21:33. > :21:40.exercising its powers in these devolved areas, or when you press --
:21:41. > :21:45.if you prefer, Inc about it as powers being returned from the EU
:21:46. > :21:49.back to Wales. What is the problem? There are three big issues to
:21:50. > :21:55.address when thinking about the return of power to Wales. Firstly,
:21:56. > :22:00.resources. It will be important to ensure there is enough scope for the
:22:01. > :22:04.institutions of Wales to absorb these new policy-making
:22:05. > :22:10.responsibilities. Does Wales have the expertise, civil servants and
:22:11. > :22:14.funding to take it on? Secondly, policy coordination. The Wales of
:22:15. > :22:20.Scotland, Northern Ireland, Wales and England have become increasingly
:22:21. > :22:25.different. The EU framework is able to smooth over these differences.
:22:26. > :22:32.When that has gone, we will need to think about new ways to coordinate
:22:33. > :22:37.policy across the four nations. Thirdly, re-centralisation. When
:22:38. > :22:42.considering how different the four nations' laws do become, it could be
:22:43. > :22:47.that we see moves from the UK Government to try to bring powers
:22:48. > :22:54.back to London. The potential for this has been strongly resisted by
:22:55. > :22:57.policy in Wales, but in the face of such uncertainty, returning powers
:22:58. > :23:03.to London rather than Wales could be seen by some as the safer option. In
:23:04. > :23:09.uncertain times, Wales will have to defend the powers it has, or face
:23:10. > :23:14.losing them. Wales will need to make sure that its institutions have the
:23:15. > :23:20.resources and expertise to take on new powers. Failure to do this could
:23:21. > :23:26.result in the country's ability to govern itself taking several steps
:23:27. > :23:29.backwards. Dr Rachel Minto from the Wales
:23:30. > :23:35.Governance Centre. I am joined now by Labour AM and format MEP Eluned
:23:36. > :23:40.Morgan. What sort of powers are we talking about here when we are
:23:41. > :23:49.talking about powers coming directly from Brussels to Wales? There are
:23:50. > :23:53.Welsh powers, that we have absolute responsibility for. In particular,
:23:54. > :23:57.agriculture, fisheries and environment. To give you some
:23:58. > :24:03.examples, the extent to which our factories are allowed to pollute is
:24:04. > :24:07.regulated by the European Union. That may stop, so we may potentially
:24:08. > :24:13.have to put our own regulation in place. The number of fish you are
:24:14. > :24:19.allowed to take out of the sea is regulated by Europe, and that will
:24:20. > :24:26.change. Tagging of sheep and cattle is the European law as well. Would
:24:27. > :24:30.those powers automatically come straight to Cardiff, to Edinburgh,
:24:31. > :24:37.or will they go via Westminster? These are our powers. There is no
:24:38. > :24:42.question about that. If the government wants to take that on as
:24:43. > :24:46.a fight on top of the chaos they have already caused and is going to
:24:47. > :24:51.happen as a result of Brexit, they will have a fight with the 27
:24:52. > :24:56.countries of the EU and the home nations as well. My guess is they
:24:57. > :25:00.will be biting off more than they can chew if they start to say they
:25:01. > :25:08.will centralise those powers as well. So we have not seen the great
:25:09. > :25:13.repeal bill yet. If the powers do not come directly to Cardiff, will
:25:14. > :25:18.you kick up a big stink? No question. These are our powers. We
:25:19. > :25:26.have effectively pooled those powers with the EU. We may say that we do
:25:27. > :25:33.need a UK system, and we may determine later that we may want to
:25:34. > :25:36.pull that Southern tray at UK level, but it is our power, and we may
:25:37. > :25:45.determine that we want to share that power. That is a lot of power coming
:25:46. > :25:48.back to Cardiff. What about the resources, the funding and the
:25:49. > :25:54.people to deal with those new powers coming in? There's a lot of issues.
:25:55. > :26:01.Firstly, resources. There is a real problem. At the moment we get over
:26:02. > :26:07.?400 million from Europe directly into Wales. We need that money to
:26:08. > :26:13.keep coming. There is I direct subsidy that goes to our farmers. We
:26:14. > :26:18.need that money to be coughed up, or we will be in serious trouble. In
:26:19. > :26:23.terms of resources, the mechanisms for paying people are already in
:26:24. > :26:28.Wales. They cannot do that at Westminster because they do not have
:26:29. > :26:35.the capacity. This is where the capacity exists. Policy-making is
:26:36. > :26:38.different, and that is an area where we may need to beef up our
:26:39. > :26:46.expertise. You want these powers directly in Wales so that you can
:26:47. > :26:52.vary them in the UK? I don't think we know yet. The first issue is the
:26:53. > :26:56.principle that they are our powers. What we do with them then... I think
:26:57. > :27:02.it will be a strange situation within the UK if we had different
:27:03. > :27:08.roles across the UK, because that might stop us from trading within
:27:09. > :27:12.the UK even, which would be a ridiculous system. So we will
:27:13. > :27:17.probably need to decide to work together across the UK. The First
:27:18. > :27:23.Minister mentioned in the Senate this week that the EU directives
:27:24. > :27:30.will be repatriated. But he said, maybe we will stick to them. For all
:27:31. > :27:35.the people in Wales who voted to leave, that is exactly why they
:27:36. > :27:40.wanted to leave. They don't want the red tape from Brussels. If you as a
:27:41. > :27:45.government decide to stick to some of the European laws because they
:27:46. > :27:50.are quite handy and suit us, isn't that showing disrespect to the
:27:51. > :27:55.people who wanted to leave the EU? No, because I don't think people who
:27:56. > :28:02.voted to leave voted for less regulation in terms of having
:28:03. > :28:09.cleaner air. That is a good law, about pollution. Most EU law is
:28:10. > :28:14.good, and people are going to find that out increasingly, that actually
:28:15. > :28:20.it was very helpful, especially in relation to buying and selling
:28:21. > :28:25.across the EU. It is no secret that you were a big remainer. The Welsh
:28:26. > :28:32.government and Carwyn Jones were very disappointed with the boat.
:28:33. > :28:40.RUSI over that yet? Are you more up beat with the result? I will never
:28:41. > :28:45.get over the disappointment of the vote, I don't think. But I think we
:28:46. > :28:50.need to accept it. We need to accept that we are going to leave the EU.
:28:51. > :28:57.What will that relationship looked like in the future? What ever the
:28:58. > :29:01.relationship will be, it cannot be one that Hamas Wales economically,
:29:02. > :29:04.and that is why I think we should stick with the single market. --
:29:05. > :29:07.that Hamas Wales economically. If you'd like to get in touch
:29:08. > :29:12.with us, you can email us at thewalesreport@bbc.co.uk,
:29:13. > :29:14.or follow us on social media, where the discussion
:29:15. > :29:16.continues, #TheWalesReport.