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:01:18. > :01:28.Warnings that some accident and emergency units will collapse

:01:28. > :01:42.

:01:42. > :01:47.without major reorganisation. are currently running some services

:01:47. > :01:53.that are fragile and in danger of falling over. We need to move

:01:54. > :02:00.towards providing those services safely on fewer sites. No change is

:02:00. > :02:05.not an option. We have seen in the last year an unprecedented demand

:02:05. > :02:14.on frontline secondary care services, that means all hospitals

:02:14. > :02:19.throughout Wales. That means we are really right at breaking point.

:02:20. > :02:24.are not the problems is recruiting into Wales. We are on a downward

:02:24. > :02:28.spiral of people seeing it as more attractive because we are stretched

:02:28. > :02:36.and clinicians are trying to provide more care, more out-of-

:02:36. > :02:40.hours care, without enough people on the rota. When -- when you come

:02:40. > :02:46.in as an emergency you need to be seen by someone who is trained

:02:46. > :02:50.appropriately to deal with your condition. We know that, there are

:02:50. > :02:55.cases where out-of-hours patients are seen by very junior doctors who

:02:55. > :03:05.do what they can but here is much better provided by senior trained

:03:05. > :03:07.

:03:07. > :03:12.doctors. The role of the ambulance service is absolutely critical. Not

:03:12. > :03:17.just in terms of access but being part of the process of care,

:03:18. > :03:23.getting people to the right here at the right time. If people are

:03:23. > :03:29.having to travel slightly further two services we want to make sure

:03:29. > :03:34.access is good and reliable and relatives can get there as well.

:03:34. > :03:38.That is a service that people can ask questions about. If you are

:03:39. > :03:43.seeking to regionalised services you have got to make sure in your

:03:43. > :03:48.plan you have got sufficient transport arrangements dictate that

:03:48. > :03:53.casualty from the point of injury to that definitive high-level

:03:53. > :03:58.centre. Any delay in that potentially puts those casualties

:03:58. > :04:03.at risk. We know that the ambulance service currently is under immense

:04:03. > :04:09.pressure. I will be seeking assurances that the ambulance

:04:09. > :04:15.service is going to have increased resources. Allied will be asking

:04:15. > :04:20.some very tough questions. What will this lead in terms of

:04:20. > :04:25.services? Will be extra travel time make a difference in terms of

:04:25. > :04:30.outcomes? You will want solid reassurances that at the outcome is

:04:30. > :04:36.going to mean better care for our patients. That is certainly

:04:36. > :04:46.something to think about. The voices of frontline NHS care in

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:04:48. > :04:53.Wales. Why are we in this mess? has come on as over a period of

:04:53. > :04:59.time. I think also recently we have begun to think there are services

:04:59. > :05:05.we are providing that are not as good as they could be. We want

:05:05. > :05:09.people in Wales to have the very best services. When you look at the

:05:09. > :05:14.accident and emergency case, lots of us might be puzzled by that

:05:14. > :05:19.figure of increased demand. Why are we suddenly seeing much more demand

:05:19. > :05:25.for that kind of accident and emergency cover? People argue about

:05:25. > :05:30.what is going on. What we know for sure is that we are in an ageing

:05:30. > :05:35.population. It is important we do a good job for them. Some of the

:05:35. > :05:39.pressure we are seeing is because older people have to come into

:05:39. > :05:44.hospital and as you get older you need more health care services. We

:05:44. > :05:48.think if we reorganise on the ground we could do a better job of

:05:49. > :05:55.looking after people. Our people been concerned about an ambulance

:05:55. > :05:58.service under pressure being asked to take people into more distant

:05:58. > :06:02.centres where they might possibly get more specialised care at the

:06:02. > :06:06.end of it but if that services are already under pressure that could

:06:06. > :06:12.threaten lives? We have worked carefully with the ambulance

:06:12. > :06:17.service. I think you will have to make changes. There are three parts

:06:17. > :06:22.to getting someone to hospital if they need care urgently. The first

:06:22. > :06:28.and more important thing that happens is what the paramedic does

:06:28. > :06:33.to you when he comes to you on the ground. Journey times are important

:06:33. > :06:38.but they are not these or Lee Bain. What is just as important is what

:06:38. > :06:42.is waiting for you when you get to the end of that journey. If you

:06:42. > :06:45.have got senior people around the clock on Dec waiting to look after

:06:45. > :06:51.you, especially hit you have the more serious injuries, you will

:06:51. > :06:55.have a better outcome. You are simply more likely to live if you

:06:55. > :07:05.have that service provided like that. That is Flybe are so keen to

:07:05. > :07:11.get so much senior cover on the ground around the clock. -- why we.

:07:11. > :07:16.What about it being difficult to convince people that working in

:07:16. > :07:20.Wales is an attractive option? is a concern. We want the very best

:07:20. > :07:26.service and we won the very best people to come here to help us

:07:26. > :07:31.deliver that service. We must have a service that is organised in such

:07:31. > :07:35.a way that people want to come and work here. They must be sure they

:07:35. > :07:40.will get good training because people have a choice now and they

:07:40. > :07:45.might choose to go somewhere else if they think they will get more

:07:45. > :07:49.and better Experience, better supervised experience. We have to

:07:50. > :07:53.think about that when planning these changes. Just to be clear,

:07:53. > :08:01.the kind of reforms we are talking about will come together and be

:08:01. > :08:06.approved by whom? By the Welsh Government. Is that on-track or

:08:06. > :08:10.not? Colleagues in the local health boards will be looking to see that

:08:10. > :08:14.we have gone through this process properly, that things have been

:08:14. > :08:22.thought through, that we have consulted with people in a

:08:22. > :08:29.meaningful way to make sure there needs are taking into account.

:08:29. > :08:33.if it does not go through? We have got a window now. I do not know how

:08:33. > :08:36.long that when the West, it may be 10 years. Unless we make

:08:36. > :08:41.significant changes to the way we deliver health care I think you

:08:41. > :08:47.will have a less good health care system for people in Wales and I

:08:47. > :08:52.think that will be a shame. Thank you for coming in. Some of the

:08:52. > :08:57.plans under consideration are strongly opposed, in particular the

:08:57. > :09:02.proposal to downgrade the accident and emergency unit here. This week

:09:02. > :09:08.some senior Labour politicians to do the streets to join the campaign

:09:08. > :09:12.to keep a specialist here at the site. That is despite the fact the

:09:12. > :09:17.planned changes result from a process that is taking place under

:09:17. > :09:21.the responsibility of the Welsh Labour Government. I am joined now

:09:21. > :09:29.by a Labour Assembly member who is also campaigning against the

:09:29. > :09:33.proposed changes. What are you all posing? What we are arguing for is

:09:33. > :09:40.the interests of the constituencies we represent. There is a

:09:40. > :09:43.consultation process which has put forward a number of options. We

:09:43. > :09:47.want to seek an emergency service maintained in this hospital and

:09:47. > :09:51.except the need for clinical change but during this process we think it

:09:51. > :09:56.is essential we look at all the facts behind the decisions and

:09:56. > :10:02.recommendations. We support the option that is best suited to dead

:10:02. > :10:07.people of this constituency. Let me put it to you provocatively. You

:10:07. > :10:12.support the need for clinical change but not if it affects you

:10:12. > :10:22.and you're constituents? It has to be what will be in the best medical

:10:22. > :10:24.

:10:24. > :10:28.interest of people. Look at the options been presented to you. I

:10:28. > :10:31.think there may be other combinations of options by

:10:31. > :10:37.hospitals working more closely together in the provision of

:10:37. > :10:42.services. One areas important. If we are to lose certain services in

:10:42. > :10:47.the hospital there are reasons that others could be moved out from

:10:47. > :10:52.Cardiff which are far more accessible to people and will also

:10:52. > :10:56.maintain the status of the hospital. Let's talk about the transparency

:10:56. > :11:01.of what is going on. This is a decision which will finally have to

:11:01. > :11:05.be approved by your colleagues in the Government. Our viewers right

:11:05. > :11:09.to be puzzled by the fact you are out protesting, campaigning

:11:09. > :11:15.publicly against the decision potentially which will be taken by

:11:15. > :11:20.your old colleagues, what are they to make of that? Ultimately it will

:11:20. > :11:28.have to be approved but the criteria for approval is the

:11:28. > :11:31.medical lead. It is important there is not a political squabble over it.

:11:31. > :11:36.I did do not make your representations quietly and

:11:36. > :11:40.privately behind the scenes rather than publicly at this stage? People

:11:40. > :11:44.contact you and engage with you. They want to know what your views

:11:44. > :11:48.are and how you are going to represent them during the

:11:48. > :11:53.consultation process. One of the things we are going to be doing is

:11:53. > :11:58.assisting people to put in consultation views. Some of those

:11:58. > :12:05.are different from different parts. Some parts of my constituency

:12:05. > :12:15.orientate more towards Cardiff already. I think the problems are

:12:15. > :12:15.

:12:15. > :12:20.even more or so further up the road. It is in your constituents interest

:12:20. > :12:27.but this hospital is no longer one of these specialised units. What

:12:27. > :12:32.are your options then, do you still say you disagree? The first stage

:12:32. > :12:37.is to make sure the basis on which the options are being considered

:12:37. > :12:45.are based on fact. The second is the maker case as strongly as we

:12:45. > :12:49.can. Thirdly, if the options come out, I think if we are satisfied

:12:49. > :12:54.they are based on clinical need them collectively we have to accept

:12:54. > :12:59.them. The one thing we cannot compromise on his medical safety

:12:59. > :13:04.and sustainability for the future. The trouble is you have already

:13:04. > :13:09.publicly stated their opposition to those options. You cannot be

:13:09. > :13:13.telling me hear you will accept them at the end of the day. What I

:13:13. > :13:16.am hoping is that some of the things I am supporting and going to

:13:16. > :13:21.be arguing for should be incorporated within the final

:13:21. > :13:27.recommendations. That is my aspiration, that the arguments I

:13:27. > :13:32.put forward are accepted. I am prepared to compromise. I think

:13:32. > :13:35.there is some merit to some of the points we have started to raise. We

:13:36. > :13:41.may well end up with a solution that does not give you everything

:13:41. > :13:47.you want but maintains the Royal Glamorgan with specialist services

:13:47. > :13:53.and accident and emergency services for the majority of people. Have

:13:53. > :13:58.you discussed this with the First Minister? I have not. I do not

:13:58. > :14:02.think it is appropriate because of the role he plays ultimately. I

:14:03. > :14:09.have discussed it with in the constituency. A lot of people are

:14:09. > :14:15.pleased I have taken the stand I have. Thank you. Now it is almost

:14:15. > :14:22.one years since severe flooding hit parts of Wales. Now there are

:14:22. > :14:26.warnings that homes in the area could soon be uninsurable. An

:14:26. > :14:31.agreement between insurance providers and the UK Government

:14:31. > :14:34.which means everyone can access household insurance is due to end

:14:34. > :14:44.in July with no alternative in sight. What will that mean for

:14:44. > :14:50.

:14:50. > :14:55.In minutes flooding can devastate lives and wreck property. No one

:14:55. > :15:02.here in Wales is in any doubt of the damage that flooding can do.

:15:02. > :15:07.Mick and Jenny found at first hand a year ago. There town look like

:15:07. > :15:11.this. The summer floods left the downstairs of their house

:15:11. > :15:15.completely submerged. On the day of the flood there was a huge pulse of

:15:15. > :15:20.rain in the early hours of the morning and it came up to the arch

:15:20. > :15:25.of the bridge and started to back up dramatically. It came up to

:15:25. > :15:34.within I would say six feet in the garden with in half-an-hour. It was

:15:34. > :15:38.a tremendous increase. The water came in through the back

:15:38. > :15:42.door. It rushed in through the back door and started to rise very

:15:42. > :15:46.quickly. It was devastation. It looked as though someone had

:15:46. > :15:50.grabbed hold of the house and shaken all our contents onto the

:15:50. > :15:55.floor. Covered in inches of mud so everything had to be thrown away.

:15:55. > :15:59.It was heartbreaking to open the door and see what had happened.

:16:00. > :16:03.Mick and his family climbed out of the window with nothing but the

:16:03. > :16:07.close they were wearing. They lost nearly all their personal

:16:07. > :16:11.possessions. It could have been worse. Thankfully they have

:16:12. > :16:17.insurance so 10 months on they have rebuilt their home and moved back

:16:17. > :16:22.in. It really does take its toll in as much as it is a real emotional

:16:22. > :16:26.drain. Physically and emotionally over those months we were at our

:16:26. > :16:29.lowest. Generally because it was so obvious there had been a major

:16:29. > :16:34.traumatic event the insurance company were actually quite good in

:16:34. > :16:37.terms of taking on responsibility once they had agreed to take on the

:16:37. > :16:43.claim. The family have already taken practical steps themselves to

:16:43. > :16:46.guard against future flooding. Predictably their insurance premium

:16:46. > :16:51.has already gone up and now they fear they will not get cover at all

:16:52. > :16:56.the next time they have to renew their policies. That is because the

:16:56. > :17:00.way flood insurance is provided could soon change. At the moment

:17:00. > :17:03.there is an agreement between governments and the insurance

:17:03. > :17:06.providers, it is called the statement of principles. The

:17:07. > :17:10.insurers have agreed to cover buildings that are actually in a

:17:10. > :17:15.high risk flooding areas and in return the government in Wales,

:17:15. > :17:19.England, Scotland and Northern Ireland have been improving their

:17:19. > :17:24.flood defences, building storm drains, culverts, sea walls, to

:17:24. > :17:29.lessen the risk. The agreement means that all property owners have

:17:29. > :17:32.access to a reasonably priced flood insurance. The deal runs out at the

:17:32. > :17:36.end of July. The Association of British Insurers say that if no new

:17:36. > :17:41.settlement is reached by the deadline, from August flood

:17:41. > :17:45.insurance will be left to the free market. Insurers will be able to

:17:45. > :17:49.charge whatever they like for higher risk properties. Many are

:17:49. > :17:56.warning that that will leave huge numbers of homes and businesses

:17:56. > :18:02.unable to afford insurance. In fact, across Wales There are 200,000

:18:02. > :18:06.properties at risk of flooding from rivers or the sea. According to one

:18:06. > :18:10.flood victim Support charity, in future, under free-market

:18:10. > :18:14.conditions, thousands of those properties may not get insurance at

:18:14. > :18:18.all. What you will probably see his insurance companies pulling out of

:18:18. > :18:22.the market where there is any significant flood risk. What would

:18:22. > :18:26.that do to communities and businesses? If you cannot get

:18:26. > :18:28.insurance you cannot buy a house, you cannot get a mortgage.

:18:29. > :18:32.Communities need to wake up and smell the coffee but Government

:18:32. > :18:36.needs to wake up and smell the coffee. This is something they

:18:36. > :18:40.cannot walk away from. If they are trying to play a game of bluff with

:18:40. > :18:45.the insurance industry to see who blinks first then it is a disgrace

:18:45. > :18:51.and I say shame on them for that. Ultimately they are playing with

:18:51. > :18:55.people's lives and the Health and well-being of whole communities.

:18:55. > :19:01.Talks are ongoing but there is one main sticking point. The insurers

:19:01. > :19:05.for the UK government to provide some sort of support to help them

:19:05. > :19:10.cover the ever-growing cost of flooding. After all, the 2007

:19:10. > :19:15.floods cost insurers across the UK more than �3 billion. Everyone

:19:15. > :19:20.accepts that floods are becoming more frequent and extreme, which

:19:20. > :19:26.may explain why the UK government how worried about getting sucked

:19:26. > :19:29.into paying a future bill that could turn out to be enormous.

:19:29. > :19:33.Jonathan Evans, the Conservative MP for Cardiff North who chairs the

:19:33. > :19:38.all-party insurance group in Westminster says negotiations are

:19:38. > :19:42.at a crucial stage. If ultimately the Government said it is OK, in

:19:42. > :19:46.the event there was a real calamity, in the early stages of the scheme

:19:46. > :19:53.we will stand behind it, then the regulators would be happy and the

:19:53. > :19:57.cost to the customer would be a manageable cost. It is a lot of our

:19:57. > :20:01.old photographs of the children. this family go through their

:20:01. > :20:07.treasured photos that they have managed to rescue, they fear that

:20:07. > :20:12.if they are flooded again they will be on their own, abandoned by both

:20:12. > :20:16.the politicians and the insurance. I would like to see a way forward

:20:16. > :20:19.that we can continue insuring our house so we can carry on living

:20:20. > :20:23.here. I know we live next to a river and it is a risky place but a

:20:23. > :20:28.lot of people living risky places to one sort or another and to my

:20:28. > :20:32.mind the idea behind assurances to share that risk. Our insurance

:20:32. > :20:35.company have already demonstrated they do not really want us because

:20:35. > :20:39.of the price of the premium and it would be an easy situation for them

:20:39. > :20:49.to say knowing agreement that exists and they will not offer any

:20:49. > :20:54.

:20:54. > :20:57.more insurance. -- and no agreement exists. Helen Callaghan reporting.

:20:57. > :21:00.I'm joined now from our London studio by Matt Cullen from the

:21:00. > :21:05.Association of British Insurers. Flooding is a very complex issue

:21:05. > :21:08.and these talks have been going on for a very long time because we are

:21:08. > :21:12.trying to solve a very difficult problem and ensure that flood

:21:12. > :21:16.insurance remains affordable to people all around the country. Some

:21:16. > :21:20.of these people, if Insurers were doing business as normal, there

:21:20. > :21:24.would be no business case for that to be possible so it is a difficult

:21:24. > :21:29.issue for art and the Government to overcome. What would you want the

:21:29. > :21:35.government to deliver as part of its contribution that they are

:21:35. > :21:38.reluctant to deliver? There is no country in the world that has a

:21:38. > :21:41.functional free market for flood insurance, which delivers

:21:41. > :21:45.affordable flood insurance without any form of government support

:21:45. > :21:49.whatsoever. We have developed a scheme that has pretty minimal

:21:49. > :21:53.government involvement but it does involve government to do two main

:21:53. > :21:56.things, firstly to legislate, to make sure that all insurers take

:21:56. > :22:01.part in the scheme, otherwise Insurers that did not take part

:22:01. > :22:04.would get an advantage. Government is fine with that part of it but

:22:04. > :22:08.the sticking point is that what we are doing is dealing with a very

:22:08. > :22:12.volatile thing in a flat day. Some years it will not cost very much at

:22:12. > :22:15.all but the years it will be extremely expensive and how you

:22:15. > :22:19.manage that volatility is a very critical issue and there is a lot

:22:19. > :22:24.of discussion about how to share at risk between government and the

:22:24. > :22:29.insurance industry. One of the options that has been canvassed is

:22:29. > :22:33.a levy on all insurance policies. Some people are mentioning a pounds

:22:34. > :22:38.per household on average. Is that figure correct and is that a

:22:38. > :22:41.principal you can justify? He yes, that figure is correct, it is from

:22:41. > :22:47.the proposal that the Association Of British Insurers as put forward

:22:47. > :22:50.and is working on closely with the Government. We think it is

:22:50. > :22:54.defensible and justifiable. We think it is justifiable for a

:22:54. > :22:57.number of reasons, firstly because actually lot of people around the

:22:58. > :23:02.country could find themselves affected by flooding, even though

:23:02. > :23:06.they might not appear to be all know that they are at a flood risk

:23:06. > :23:09.now. Lots of people flood these days for whom flood risk has never

:23:09. > :23:13.been an issue before so there are people out there who may feel that

:23:13. > :23:17.it is unfair for them to be supporting people at high risk but

:23:17. > :23:21.come next year or five years down the line it could very well be them.

:23:22. > :23:25.Yes, that is why debatable, because there will be millions of people

:23:25. > :23:29.caught in this deal if it comes about, you cannot really claim that

:23:29. > :23:33.a majority of them are potentially flood victims, can you? Know, you

:23:33. > :23:37.can't, but fundamentally that is a political decision and it is

:23:37. > :23:40.something that we have to work with government on and government need

:23:40. > :23:44.to take it the one and it is their decision whether it is right for

:23:44. > :23:47.people at row risk of flooding, some of whom may risk flooding in

:23:47. > :23:51.the future and some may not, but whether it is right for these

:23:51. > :23:57.people to subsidise or support a small collection of people, I says

:23:57. > :24:00.more, we are talking between 200,400 1,000 homes here, a lot of

:24:00. > :24:04.properties around the country, support them to make sure that they

:24:04. > :24:14.can get the support they really need when they are at their lowest

:24:14. > :24:16.

:24:16. > :24:21.ebb. -- 200,000 to 400,000. If you do not get this levy, is there no

:24:21. > :24:25.deal? Without the levy you will have a situation where everybody

:24:25. > :24:29.has to pay a price that fully reflect the flood risk that they

:24:30. > :24:33.face. In other words high risk people have no mechanism for being

:24:33. > :24:39.subsidised or paying less than what they technically should be playing

:24:39. > :24:42.-- paying. That means that around 200,000 high risk homes around the

:24:42. > :24:47.country will probably struggle to access affordable flood insurance.

:24:47. > :24:50.That will have much broader effects than just those homes. It will

:24:50. > :24:55.affect the communities in which those homes are, the people, the

:24:55. > :25:03.services, the businesses that rely on those homes and those people, so

:25:03. > :25:07.the impact will be very significant. Right now, today, what is your hand

:25:07. > :25:10.as to the probability of a deal being struck in time? The insurance

:25:10. > :25:15.industry is determined to get a deal, we are working very hard on

:25:15. > :25:18.it and we have been for two years and we are not letting up. We think

:25:18. > :25:22.government are working just as hard and we hope and believe that

:25:22. > :25:26.government understand, as we do, that moving to a free-market is not

:25:26. > :25:30.a good solution for the country and we therefore have to get a deal in

:25:30. > :25:34.the near future. Thank you very much for joining us.

:25:34. > :25:36.It's been quite a season for rugby and, indeed, for football in Wales,

:25:36. > :25:39.with unprecedented glory and silverware for Welsh clubs. But

:25:39. > :25:42.what can we do to build on this success? We caught up with the

:25:42. > :25:45.chair of the Football Association of Wales, Jonathan Ford, in Newport

:25:45. > :25:47.where future stars of tomorrow mingle with famous faces like

:25:47. > :25:57.Marcel Desailly and Didi Hamann, training to become coaches at

:25:57. > :26:07.

:26:07. > :26:12.The Welsh football has had a fantastic success this year.

:26:12. > :26:18.Cardiff finally won through to premiere Lee. Newport came back

:26:18. > :26:22.into the lead and Wrexham won the FA Trophy. Who can forget a tiny

:26:22. > :26:28.town of 1,600 people, the first time in Europe, what a fantastic

:26:28. > :26:32.success for them. They are playing in the Europa League next year.

:26:32. > :26:37.Football is big business across the world, it is a global sport. The

:26:37. > :26:42.money that comes in on a global basis, natural bases and a local

:26:42. > :26:46.basis is critically important to be spent in the right areas. --

:26:46. > :26:51.national basis. With the work we do with UEFA we can build facilities

:26:51. > :26:55.like this and continue to promote and improve football in this

:26:55. > :26:58.country and improve people's lives as a result. It has been well-

:26:58. > :27:02.documented that when clubs go through to the Premier League as

:27:02. > :27:05.Swansea did their Ahmad such benefits are we need to ensure it

:27:05. > :27:09.comes all the way through to all levels of the game, not just the

:27:09. > :27:17.top of the game. Welsh football is being much more widely recognised

:27:17. > :27:21.that. We have fantastic players at international level like Gareth

:27:21. > :27:25.Bale. What a goal! He had a fantastic season and is

:27:25. > :27:29.appropriately credited with that awards that he received. What a

:27:29. > :27:33.fantastic strike! It is important we do not end up with just a nation

:27:33. > :27:37.of spectators. We want people to be inspired to go out and play

:27:38. > :27:41.themselves. Football is a fantastic galvanise of community cohesion

:27:41. > :27:47.which is a knock-on benefit of trying to get people active and

:27:47. > :27:50.playing together. Of course There is a bigger benefit, health

:27:50. > :27:53.benefits. Football ultimately promotes an active lifestyle and if

:27:53. > :27:57.we can encourage people to lead a less sedentary lifestyle and get

:27:57. > :28:00.out there and get their boots on and kick a football around then

:28:00. > :28:05.hopefully the benefits later on as regards to Alf will improve this

:28:05. > :28:11.country no end. Welsh football is really punching above its weight. A

:28:11. > :28:15.lot of people don't recognise it as being a country leading sport but

:28:15. > :28:18.in participation terms and spectator terms it really is. We

:28:18. > :28:22.have the biggest voluntary work force of anything in Wales. Our

:28:22. > :28:26.coaching programmes are bringing a more coaches and our facility

:28:26. > :28:29.programmes are providing better facilities. Welsh football is on

:28:29. > :28:32.the up and it needs to be recognised as such. Hopefully with

:28:32. > :28:37.some of the success we will have with our national teams, it is not

:28:37. > :28:40.a matter of if but a matter of when, then people will recognise the

:28:40. > :28:43.power of the fantastic support we have and they would get on their

:28:44. > :28:47.boots and playing the pox a bit more than they are now.

:28:47. > :28:49.And hopefully that won't be the last time we see a World Cup winner

:28:50. > :28:53.wearing a Welsh shirt! That's it for this week's programme.

:28:53. > :28:56.We'll be back next week at the later time of 10:55pm. In the