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:00:12. > :00:15.Hello and welcome to the Week In Parliament.

:00:16. > :00:22.When the row over the Panama Papers tax revelations got personal.

:00:23. > :00:28.The publication of Prime Minister's tax information in this way is

:00:29. > :00:34.unprecedented but it has the right thing to do. I am not sure that the

:00:35. > :00:35.Prime Minister appreciates the anger that is out there over this

:00:36. > :00:37.injustice. corridor as the chairman

:00:38. > :00:41.of the Home Affairs Committee kicks I am going to excuse you from this

:00:42. > :00:51.committee. And is it time for a rethink about

:00:52. > :00:56.how MPs put forward their own bills? Some of the debates have been

:00:57. > :01:00.embarrassing to be part of. the Parliamentary week was dominated

:01:01. > :01:03.by the Panama Papers - leaked documents from the law

:01:04. > :01:05.firm Mossack Fonseca, which revealed how rich and powerful

:01:06. > :01:09.people hid their wealth offshore. The story landed in Downing Street

:01:10. > :01:13.when it was discovered that an investment fund set up

:01:14. > :01:16.by David Cameron's father had been There was no suggestion

:01:17. > :01:21.that he or his father had But questions about whether

:01:22. > :01:25.the Prime Minister had benefited dragged on until

:01:26. > :01:27.finally David Cameron Mr Speaker, there have been deeply

:01:28. > :01:37.hurtful, profoundly untrue allegations made against my father

:01:38. > :01:41.and I want to, if the House will let This investment fund

:01:42. > :01:44.was set up overseas in the first place because

:01:45. > :01:46.it was going to be trading predominantly

:01:47. > :01:47.in So like very many other

:01:48. > :01:50.commercial investment funds it made sense to be set up

:01:51. > :01:53.inside one of the main centres of Even a quick look shows

:01:54. > :01:57.that the BBC, the Mirror Group, Guardian newspapers,

:01:58. > :01:59.and to pick one council entirely at random, Islington,

:02:00. > :02:01.all have these sorts of Since 2010 I have not

:02:02. > :02:13.owned any shares or any The publication of a Prime

:02:14. > :02:17.Minister's tax information in this way is unprecedented but I

:02:18. > :02:20.think it is the right thing to do. May I thank the Prime Minister

:02:21. > :02:23.for the advance sight of his It is absolutely

:02:24. > :02:26.a masterclass in the art of What they have driven home,

:02:27. > :02:47.Mr Speaker, is what many people There is now one rule

:02:48. > :02:56.for the super rich and I'm honestly not sure,

:02:57. > :02:59.Mr Speaker, that the Prime Minister fully appreciates the anger

:03:00. > :03:02.that is out there over this How can it be right that

:03:03. > :03:05.street cleaners, teaching assistants and nurses work

:03:06. > :03:07.and pay their taxes yet some of at the top think the rules simply

:03:08. > :03:10.don't apply We have to ask ourselves, all of us,

:03:11. > :03:14.whether the scale of the problem has been taken seriously

:03:15. > :03:16.because quite patently it has not been thus far, either

:03:17. > :03:24.domesticically or internationally. One Conservative MP called on

:03:25. > :03:28.critics to snap out of what he called synthetic indignation.

:03:29. > :03:31.is that they hate anyone who

:03:32. > :03:33.even has a hint of wealth in their lives.

:03:34. > :03:36.May I support the Prime Minister in fending off those who

:03:37. > :03:40.are attacking him, particularly in thinking of this place, because

:03:41. > :03:44.we risk seeing the House of Commons which is stuffed full of low

:03:45. > :03:47.achievers who hate enterprise, hate people who look after their own

:03:48. > :03:57.family, and who know absolutely nothing about the outside world.

:03:58. > :04:03.The row spilled over into Prime Minister's questions on Wednesday by

:04:04. > :04:04.which time Labour leader Jeremy Corbyn had also published as tax

:04:05. > :04:09.return. This tax return was

:04:10. > :04:11.a metaphor for Labour It was late, it was chaotic,

:04:12. > :04:17.it was inaccurate, it was uncosted. Mr Speaker, I am grateful

:04:18. > :04:20.to the Prime Minister for drawing There, warts and all, the warts

:04:21. > :04:31.being my handwriting, all being my I actually paid more

:04:32. > :04:43.tax than some companies Last month the OBR

:04:44. > :04:50.reported that HMRC doesn't have the necessary resources

:04:51. > :04:52.to tackle offshore tax disclosures. The Government is committed

:04:53. > :04:54.to taking ?400 million out of

:04:55. > :04:57.HMRC's budget by 2020. Will he now commit to reversing that

:04:58. > :05:01.cut so they can collect the tax that

:05:02. > :05:05.will help to pay for the services? I'm afraid his figures rather

:05:06. > :05:07.like his tax return, his figures are not

:05:08. > :05:12.entirely accurate. In the summer budget

:05:13. > :05:15.2015 we gave an extra fund additional work

:05:16. > :05:19.to tackle tax evasion and noncompliance between

:05:20. > :05:21.now This is going to enable HMRC

:05:22. > :05:26.to recover a cumulative 7.2 billion in tax over

:05:27. > :05:29.the next five years. David Cameron on tax

:05:30. > :05:33.and tax collection. Now let's take a look at some

:05:34. > :05:35.other news from around The campaign over our EU membership

:05:36. > :05:42.is now officially under way. The Leave and Remain campaigns have

:05:43. > :05:45.come out fighting ahead But in the Commons at the start

:05:46. > :05:51.of the week there was anger over a pro EU leaflet sent out

:05:52. > :05:53.by the Government to every The idea that this leaflet

:05:54. > :06:02.simply has facts in it, when it says for example,

:06:03. > :06:04.who now believes we except the fantasists

:06:05. > :06:08.in the Foreign Office? Or that we will keep our own border

:06:09. > :06:11.patrols when we have to admit almost any person who says

:06:12. > :06:14.they are an EU citizen. not be part of further

:06:15. > :06:17.integration, and I am quoting. The absurd proposition

:06:18. > :06:21.that the Government of the day is not entitled to form an opinion

:06:22. > :06:26.on policy on the role of the Government in the modern

:06:27. > :06:28.world or is not allowed to communicate reasons

:06:29. > :06:32.for having that policy to the The Government has promised

:06:33. > :06:37.significant concessions over plans to make local authorities in England

:06:38. > :06:40.sell off their high value housing The money, paid by councils

:06:41. > :06:48.to Whitehall even before any sale is made, is to be used to compensate

:06:49. > :06:50.housing associations for allowing their tenants

:06:51. > :06:54.to buy their homes at a discount. Now ministers have agreed

:06:55. > :06:56.that properties must be The concessions came in a week

:06:57. > :07:01.when the Government suffered a series of defeats in the Lords

:07:02. > :07:09.on the Housing Bill. Veteran Labour MP Dennis

:07:10. > :07:14.Skinner was ordered out of the Commons chamber on Monday

:07:15. > :07:16.after referring to the Prime The Speaker suggested Mr Skinner

:07:17. > :07:29.rephrase his question. and when he refused

:07:30. > :07:34.the Bolsover MP was ejected. Meanwhile on the committee

:07:35. > :07:38.corridor the chair of the Home Affairs Committee,

:07:39. > :07:41.Keith Vaz, was so angered by one witness that he was dismissed

:07:42. > :07:43.from the session. Top Whitehall mandarin

:07:44. > :07:44.Oliver Robbins was threatened with being held in contempt

:07:45. > :07:46.and repeatedly criticised when he failed to answer questions

:07:47. > :07:51.over the budget of UK Border Force. We are asking you specifically

:07:52. > :07:53.on an issue that has been raised by this

:07:54. > :07:56.committee with Sir Charles Does Sir Charles Montgomery

:07:57. > :08:02.know what his budget is? It is either a yes or a no,

:08:03. > :08:05.Mr Robbins. And if you don't answer the question

:08:06. > :08:08.we might hold you in contempt. I intend to excuse you from this

:08:09. > :08:12.committee because I think the evidence so far has

:08:13. > :08:15.been unsatisfactory. ringing in his ears,

:08:16. > :08:23.Mr Robbins left the hearing. There have been calls for the BBC

:08:24. > :08:26.to speed up efforts to increase diversity among its on-air

:08:27. > :08:30.and off-air workforce. The demand came from a Labour MP

:08:31. > :08:33.who is clearly losing patience At the end of this month the BBC

:08:34. > :08:38.will publish an equality and Yet another one is coming very

:08:39. > :08:45.shortly and it's all going to be Another strategy to get

:08:46. > :08:52.our teeth sunk into. If it is genuinely a universal

:08:53. > :08:58.broadcaster we have to ask, it can no longer be

:08:59. > :09:02.about skills training. MPs have been told they'll have

:09:03. > :09:13.to wait a little longer for publication of the Chilcot

:09:14. > :09:15.report into the Iraq war. It's due to be handed

:09:16. > :09:17.to the Government for security But publication is not

:09:18. > :09:21.expected until the summer. The fact is the report has been

:09:22. > :09:28.pored over by many people for five We are not in the era

:09:29. > :09:36.of hot lead typesetting. Somebody said to me this morning

:09:37. > :09:41.that I might have summarised that rather long motion

:09:42. > :09:45.rather more crisply by saying this House instructs Sir John Chilcot

:09:46. > :09:50.simply to press send. A new high speed rail line

:09:51. > :09:55.was proposed by Labour back in 2010. The bill to construct

:09:56. > :09:57.the first phase, from London to the West Midlands,

:09:58. > :10:00.has been slowly making its way The legislation has now arrived

:10:01. > :10:05.in the Lords where a Government minister set out the now

:10:06. > :10:09.familiar case for HS2. Patchwork and sticking

:10:10. > :10:12.plasters will work for a period but are not

:10:13. > :10:13.the This will not help us create

:10:14. > :10:19.the capacity we need on the It will not improve our

:10:20. > :10:21.country's connections. It will not maximise

:10:22. > :10:24.the opportunities for our northern cities and cities

:10:25. > :10:30.in Scotland to grow and prosper. The noble Lord has said he was proud

:10:31. > :10:34.that HS2 had not demolished a single Well, ancient woodlands

:10:35. > :10:36.are the grade one We cannot doubt that those who live

:10:37. > :10:47.on or near the line face The Government has an important

:10:48. > :10:51.responsibility, this is my main point, to continue to listen

:10:52. > :10:55.to their concerns and to work with them and prove worthy

:10:56. > :11:00.of their trust. I do wonder whether the second part

:11:01. > :11:03.of this investment might be called in to say we can't complete

:11:04. > :11:08.it beyond Birmingham. I am not aware, my Lords,

:11:09. > :11:10.of a single country high-speed rail between its major

:11:11. > :11:15.cities and now thinks that this was Parliament was on its Easter recess

:11:16. > :11:22.when news broke of the crisis Tata Steel is selling

:11:23. > :11:27.off its loss-making UK plants - A buyer has been found

:11:28. > :11:32.for its Scunthorpe plant. But the future of the Port Talbot

:11:33. > :11:35.plant in south Wales Business Secretary Sajid Javid

:11:36. > :11:40.was criticised for being away In the Commons on Monday he told MPs

:11:41. > :11:51.he was fighting every hour of I have been in contact

:11:52. > :11:55.with potential buyers making clear that the government stands

:11:56. > :11:57.ready to help. This includes looking

:11:58. > :11:59.at the possibility of co-investing And we have appointed EY

:12:00. > :12:04.as financial advisers Earlier I spoke to BBC Wales'

:12:05. > :12:12.Parliamentary Correspondent David Cornock and asked if Westminster -

:12:13. > :12:15.or the Welsh Assembly - was making I think there is a sense that the UK

:12:16. > :12:22.Government was caught on the hop by the announcement by Tata Steel

:12:23. > :12:24.last month that it was Mr Javid famously had to fly back

:12:25. > :12:31.from Australia and has since been to Port Talbot,

:12:32. > :12:36.the biggest steel works twice and then this week to MPs,

:12:37. > :12:39.he talked more about what the UK He talked about co-investment,

:12:40. > :12:47.was not entirely clear what that meant, but he did under pressure

:12:48. > :12:50.from MPs suggest that perhaps it would involve taking

:12:51. > :12:53.over some of the debts, going in with a private company,

:12:54. > :12:56.helping essentially to oil It is very much top of his agenda

:12:57. > :13:05.at the moment because the clock is ticking in terms of Tata Steel

:13:06. > :13:08.being able to find a buyer for a business that is losing

:13:09. > :13:11.a million pounds a day. There was a bit of grumbling

:13:12. > :13:13.about the fact that the Westminster Parliament was not recalled

:13:14. > :13:15.when this crisis broke What was the First Minister able

:13:16. > :13:20.to do or say? Assembly members disappeared

:13:21. > :13:24.for their elections or retirement in some cases, cleared their offices

:13:25. > :13:29.only to be brought back for only the third time in the Assembly's

:13:30. > :13:33.history to debate the steel crisis because it was an iconic industry

:13:34. > :13:36.in the history of Wales and it The First Minister said

:13:37. > :13:45.that he was in favour of short-term public ownership, if that

:13:46. > :13:49.was what was involved, but of course the Welsh Government

:13:50. > :13:52.did not have the power to do that so he had to work with the UK

:13:53. > :13:55.Government and in terms of the Welsh Government's powers,

:13:56. > :14:01.they control business rates in Wales now but again,

:14:02. > :14:05.that had to be approved by the EU so Port Talbot is now

:14:06. > :14:09.in an enterprise zone but again some of the levers that are being used

:14:10. > :14:12.rely on approval from other It is quite unusual in the sense

:14:13. > :14:18.that in policy terms it is three different layers of government

:14:19. > :14:20.interacting on this to try You mentioned the Assembly elections

:14:21. > :14:26.which are coming up in a couple of weeks, how far has the steel

:14:27. > :14:28.issue overshadowed or even It has very much overshadowed

:14:29. > :14:35.the early weeks of the campaign and yes, the political parties

:14:36. > :14:39.are continuing to publish their manifestos and talk

:14:40. > :14:44.about schools and hospitals and all the day-to-day stuff,

:14:45. > :14:47.but I also think that the focus on the steel crisis,

:14:48. > :14:51.the overwhelming nature of it and the response of the government

:14:52. > :14:55.has focused people's attentions on the fact that there

:14:56. > :14:59.is a government in Wales, there are elections being fought,

:15:00. > :15:02.elections in which most people tend not to vote and in that sense it may

:15:03. > :15:05.yet increase turnout. Thank you very much

:15:06. > :15:12.indeed for coming in. Backbenchers have branded

:15:13. > :15:14.the system for Mps trying to get their own bills

:15:15. > :15:16.through Parliament a "disgrace". Every session a few Mps

:15:17. > :15:18.get the chance to bring They're debated on 13 sitting

:15:19. > :15:23.Fridays - but are often talked out by other backbenchers

:15:24. > :15:27.or government ministers. The Commons procedure

:15:28. > :15:29.committee is taking a look In a Westminster Hall

:15:30. > :15:33.debate Labour's Jeff Smith called for change -

:15:34. > :15:48.and was backed by a former deputy I absolutely agree with the

:15:49. > :15:52.honourable member about the absurdities of Fridays. It does not

:15:53. > :15:56.do any good for the image of Parliament, it is wearisome even for

:15:57. > :16:01.those who are here and I think I can make the claim for what it is worth

:16:02. > :16:06.that no other member of this house has resided over as many Friday

:16:07. > :16:08.debates as I have done. And it really is a disgrace.

:16:09. > :16:12.behind that debate - Jeff Smith .

:16:13. > :16:15.I think the public are increasingly fed up with the charade that happens

:16:16. > :16:18.on Friday when bills about quite serious issues that are talked

:16:19. > :16:20.about and we are not allowed to vote on them.

:16:21. > :16:23.Not taken seriously, some of the debates have been

:16:24. > :16:28.I think it is a view that is shared widely across the house.

:16:29. > :16:31.I think it looks as though Parliament is not taking serious

:16:32. > :16:35.issues seriously and that brings Parliament into disrepute.

:16:36. > :16:38.So what do you think can be done to change the current system?

:16:39. > :16:40.There are three things we can do very easily.

:16:41. > :16:42.We could move the debates from Friday to a Tuesday

:16:43. > :16:47.or Wednesday to make sure that lots more MPs are around.

:16:48. > :16:50.Secondly, we could impose time limits on speeches.

:16:51. > :16:54.We do it for other debates and there is no reason we cannot do

:16:55. > :16:56.it on private members bills and thirdly we can guarantee a vote

:16:57. > :17:01.so it does not come before us and not be voted on.

:17:02. > :17:03.These issues come up time and again but surely government backing

:17:04. > :17:09.We need the backing of government, but the committee last time had

:17:10. > :17:12.said the time had not come for the change.

:17:13. > :17:15.I would argue that the time has now come given what we have

:17:16. > :17:21.Now let's take a look at some of the week's

:17:22. > :17:34.# 5,4,3,2,1.# The Foreign Office unveiled a new recruit this week.

:17:35. > :17:41.Palmerston is a rescue cat, hired to catch mice.

:17:42. > :17:44.Seven candidates are vying to become the next Liberal Democrat hereditary

:17:45. > :17:48.peer in the latest House of Lords by election.

:17:49. > :17:54.It is a very select electorate, only three people can vote.

:17:55. > :17:57.An old London tube station uses a bunker by wartime PM

:17:58. > :18:01.Winston Churchill, is opening for tours next month.

:18:02. > :18:07.The station closed to passengers in 1932.

:18:08. > :18:11.There is a call to limit so-called Henry VIII clauses in bills.

:18:12. > :18:15.The former Lord Chief Justice Lord Judge wants these ancient measures

:18:16. > :18:20.to enable ministers to change laws without Parliamentary scrutiny.

:18:21. > :18:22.And campaigning in the EU referendum is officially underway.

:18:23. > :18:25.Vote Leave is leading the out campaign while the lead Remain

:18:26. > :18:41.campaign is Britain Stronger in Europe.

:18:42. > :18:43.Let's take you back fifty years to the early hours

:18:44. > :18:49.Voting in the general election ended a few hours earlier and the results

:18:50. > :18:53.It's shortly after 3am in the BBC's election night studio,

:18:54. > :19:02.I thought we could at that time take the opportunity to give

:19:03. > :19:05.you the whole long list of the 42 Labour gains that we

:19:06. > :19:11.There is an additional one, I gather on that list,

:19:12. > :19:14.that was mentioned before that Labour have gained Croydon in South

:19:15. > :19:21.That means that Sir Richard Thomas has lost a seat he has

:19:22. > :19:29.That is another gain to Labour and down in the south-east that

:19:30. > :19:37.gives us an opportunity to go across to David Holmes.

:19:38. > :19:40.I was going to give you a list of gains that we had

:19:41. > :19:50.The national gains of 42, we have had 17 with that one we just

:19:51. > :19:54.Part of the BBC's Live coverage from election night 1966..

:19:55. > :19:57.And with me is the victor of that Croydon South contest,

:19:58. > :20:03.And the only MP in the current House of Commons to have first

:20:04. > :20:08.Thank you very much for coming in to see us.

:20:09. > :20:11.I understand that is the first time you have seen that clip.

:20:12. > :20:16.Tell me what you do remember about that night, I understand

:20:17. > :20:18.there were a couple of recounts.

:20:19. > :20:23.Labour lost and perhaps it was along the lines when I could stand

:20:24. > :20:26.in the by-election not knowing that we would lose all by-elections

:20:27. > :20:36.My agent went through the piles at the end and he went

:20:37. > :20:39.through four Tory ones, just to see and lo and behold,

:20:40. > :20:48.100 votes that belonged to me as the Labour candidate.

:20:49. > :20:50.Then the Tory agent went through mine and at any moment

:20:51. > :20:58.I thought he would produce 100 Tory votes but he did not and I won.

:20:59. > :21:00.Dramatic and rather nerve-wracking for you.

:21:01. > :21:04.It was and of course, for my team and I owe a debt

:21:05. > :21:06.of gratitude to the voluntary agent who worked in the Pakistan High

:21:07. > :21:09.Commission and later opened a newsagent shop in Croydon

:21:10. > :21:18.So, you have been around politics for a long time,

:21:19. > :21:20.you have been in the House of Commons for

:21:21. > :21:30.Modern technology, we had correspondents

:21:31. > :21:35.at the time from constituents but nothing like today.

:21:36. > :21:43.Moreover, there was no secretarial support at all.

:21:44. > :21:45.If you did manage to find a part-time secretary,

:21:46. > :21:48.you could not afford a full-time one, it would come out

:21:49. > :21:54.I think you got one third off your income tax as a result.

:21:55. > :21:56.Office accommodation, what happened was I came

:21:57. > :21:59.to the Commons, as all MPs duly elected do, that is our main place

:22:00. > :22:02.of work and I had correspondents and I went up to a room

:22:03. > :22:11.which was to be occupied or had been occupied by some eight members,

:22:12. > :22:21.Labour members, and took a seat, which was vacant.

:22:22. > :22:27.Within a matter of three or four days, the Serjeant at Arms

:22:28. > :22:30.or the named Serjeant at Arms sent a note that said, would you please

:22:31. > :22:36.You have not been allocated it and I wrote back and said

:22:37. > :22:39.I would leave once you provide me with some accommodation so I can

:22:40. > :22:45.We mentioned that although you were elected in 1966 you have been

:22:46. > :22:47.in the Commons for just over 40 years.

:22:48. > :22:51.That is because you had some time out and that means you're not

:22:52. > :22:57.The father of the house is someone who has continuously been

:22:58. > :23:02.At the moment it is Gerald Kauffman because he signed

:23:03. > :23:06.If the other two had signed it first, he would not be

:23:07. > :23:14.I will not be the father, uncle or cousin of the house.

:23:15. > :23:20.I did not go there to be the father of the house.

:23:21. > :23:24.You stood in plenty of elections, do you still find them nerve-wracking?

:23:25. > :23:31.Elections, yes, because mine is a marginal.

:23:32. > :23:33.I do find it nerve-wracking, I would not wish to

:23:34. > :23:41.At least standing for re-election, even more so, one does not wish

:23:42. > :23:47.In the last two elections, they have been tied but the last

:23:48. > :23:53.election, 2015, I increased my majority over 2010 and here I am.

:23:54. > :23:55.You're one of the more senior members of the house,

:23:56. > :24:04.When I do make up my mind, I'm aware of my age and I am not

:24:05. > :24:06.a George Clooney lookalike, mind you I probably

:24:07. > :24:12.was not one in 1966, but when I do make up my mind,

:24:13. > :24:16.I think my constituency party will be the first to be told.

:24:17. > :24:18.For now, thank you very much indeed, David Winnick.

:24:19. > :24:25.Just how easy will it be to implement the sugar tax,

:24:26. > :24:28.the surprise measure unveiled in the Budget aimed at tackling

:24:29. > :24:31.obesity? The levy on sugary drinks will be imposed in two bands,

:24:32. > :24:34.a lower one for sugar content above 5 grams per 100 millilitres

:24:35. > :24:36.and a higher one for content with more than 8 grams

:24:37. > :24:45.When MPs had the chance to question a leading economist,

:24:46. > :24:49.one Conservative wondered how the tax would work in practice .....

:24:50. > :24:53.But if is going to work, I do not know if you know this

:24:54. > :24:57.If you have premixed alcoholic drinks, where the sugar

:24:58. > :25:00.in the alcohol is exempt but if it is put in a fizzy

:25:01. > :25:09.If you have a premixed glass of Pimms, which I believe

:25:10. > :25:12.you can get in little cans, where do you think the tax falls

:25:13. > :25:23.My understanding is that it will be applied to soft drinks and that

:25:24. > :25:31.Are we in the situation that if you mix your own gin and tonic,

:25:32. > :25:34.you pay tax on the tonic, but if you buy it premixed,

:25:35. > :25:40.Jacob Rees-Mogg with a glass half full kind of question!!

:25:41. > :25:42.And that's it for this edition of the programme,

:25:43. > :25:45.but do join Joanna Shinn on Monday night at 11 for another round up

:25:46. > :25:49.of the best of the day here at Westminster.