0:00:13 > 0:00:15Hello and welcome to the Week In Parliament.
0:00:15 > 0:00:16Swings, landslides, gains, losses, changes of power.
0:00:16 > 0:00:19The people have spoken, in elections across the UK.
0:00:19 > 0:00:21But in amongst the polling, Parliament continued, and the Leave
0:00:21 > 0:00:24EU campaign took the referendum battle direct to the Prime Minister.
0:00:24 > 0:00:27If this doesn't change, Prime Minister, expect a letter
0:00:27 > 0:00:30before action, and if we can raise the funds, expect a writ.
0:00:30 > 0:00:33Right, there we are, I better...
0:00:33 > 0:00:35Moving on, the Trade Union Bill...
0:00:35 > 0:00:38LAUGHTER
0:00:38 > 0:00:40Also on the programme, foreign correspondents
0:00:40 > 0:00:48describe their fears for the future of Syria and Iraq.
0:00:48 > 0:00:54Given how the fight will go, both from the defenders
0:00:54 > 0:00:58and the attackers, Mosul, I believe, will be pretty bloody awful.
0:00:58 > 0:01:00And left-wingers, right-wingers.
0:01:00 > 0:01:01No, not the politicians.
0:01:01 > 0:01:02The footballers of Leicester win the league,
0:01:02 > 0:01:05and Foxes fanaticism reaches the Commons.
0:01:05 > 0:01:07Does he accept that, rather than call it red Leicester anymore,
0:01:07 > 0:01:10it's actually blue Leicester?
0:01:10 > 0:01:13But first, the polling stations were in place,
0:01:13 > 0:01:16the electors came out,
0:01:16 > 0:01:19and voting took place at a brisk pace across the Kingdom.
0:01:19 > 0:01:21But that's not the end of it this summer.
0:01:21 > 0:01:24We'll be doing it all again in six weeks' time, when the nation decides
0:01:24 > 0:01:27whether Britain stays in or departs from the European Union.
0:01:27 > 0:01:29The lively campaigning on both sides of the referendum debate
0:01:29 > 0:01:33will soon get a great deal livelier.
0:01:33 > 0:01:37The Prime Minister is firmly part of the Remain camp,
0:01:37 > 0:01:40and on Wednesday he faced questioning
0:01:40 > 0:01:44from the combined chairs of all the Commons committees.
0:01:44 > 0:01:50First, a Conservative who's in the Leave camp
0:01:50 > 0:01:51asked David Cameron about government websites
0:01:51 > 0:01:54that are advocating Britain staying in the EU.
0:01:54 > 0:01:57I now have advice from the Speaker's counsel that it is, and I quote,
0:01:57 > 0:02:00abundantly clear that an electronic communication of the contents
0:02:00 > 0:02:04of the website amounts to publication for the purposes
0:02:04 > 0:02:07of Section 125 of the Political Parties Referendums Act.
0:02:07 > 0:02:09What is your response to this?
0:02:09 > 0:02:12It seems to me the right thing to do is to make sure
0:02:12 > 0:02:17that if there is a website, a government website,
0:02:17 > 0:02:22then it is not refreshed or updated during the period of purdah.
0:02:22 > 0:02:24But I would just ask whether it's absolutely necessary
0:02:24 > 0:02:26to take something down.
0:02:26 > 0:02:30It seems to me that it is a...sort of rather an extreme position.
0:02:30 > 0:02:32But I want to understand your concerns about that.
0:02:32 > 0:02:36Well, in the case of Burn versus Dean in 1937,
0:02:36 > 0:02:41the court ruled... That was pre-internet, I think.
0:02:41 > 0:02:45Leaving a notice on a golf club notice board is a continuing act
0:02:45 > 0:02:50of publication, and in other, more recent rulings,
0:02:50 > 0:02:52every time the server is hit by another request
0:02:52 > 0:02:55for a page, that constitutes republication of the material.
0:02:55 > 0:03:00So I think you'll find you cannot keep up that website.
0:03:00 > 0:03:06We will look at our legal advice, we will respond to your letter.
0:03:06 > 0:03:08If this doesn't change, Prime Minister, expect a letter
0:03:08 > 0:03:11before action, and if we can raise the funds, expect a writ.
0:03:11 > 0:03:12Right, there we are...
0:03:12 > 0:03:14Moving on, the Trade Union Bill...
0:03:14 > 0:03:15LAUGHTER
0:03:15 > 0:03:17Better get back to the office fast, then!
0:03:17 > 0:03:19I was hoping for a sort of reasonable...
0:03:19 > 0:03:23It seems to me, taking down a website is a bit like saying
0:03:23 > 0:03:24you have to remove publications
0:03:24 > 0:03:26that people might already have from the Government.
0:03:26 > 0:03:30That is correct. We'll move on, Prime Minister.
0:03:30 > 0:03:35In the event of Brexit, one of the concerns I would have
0:03:35 > 0:03:38is that the UK would not be able to continue to share important data
0:03:38 > 0:03:42on things like air passenger information and other data sharing
0:03:42 > 0:03:44which is really vital to the security of our citizens.
0:03:44 > 0:03:48Have you thought about what the consequences would be
0:03:48 > 0:03:51of that and how we would ameliorate that if there was a vote to leave?
0:03:51 > 0:03:55I'd say one area where I've definitely changed my opinion
0:03:55 > 0:04:00is that I think I used to believe, you know,
0:04:00 > 0:04:03Nato, partnership with America, police, intelligence services,
0:04:03 > 0:04:06that is how we deliver security, Europe has got nothing to do
0:04:06 > 0:04:08with security I think I probably would have argued
0:04:08 > 0:04:10five or ten years ago.
0:04:10 > 0:04:12There's no doubt in my mind that it has changed.
0:04:12 > 0:04:16Those things that I just mentioned, they are all still unbelievably
0:04:16 > 0:04:18important, and they are the most important things,
0:04:18 > 0:04:20but there's no doubt in my mind that passenger name records,
0:04:20 > 0:04:24criminal records data, fingerprints, DNA, terrorist
0:04:24 > 0:04:27information, border checks, board information, those things,
0:04:27 > 0:04:29taken together, are incredibly powerful and important
0:04:29 > 0:04:34at protecting our security.
0:04:34 > 0:04:36What is your answer to Michael Gove's crucial point,
0:04:36 > 0:04:40I think, the most powerful point he makes, that, slowly,
0:04:40 > 0:04:42our sense of identity is being eroded by our continuing
0:04:42 > 0:04:47membership, that it is weakening our sense of identity,
0:04:47 > 0:04:50and that our self-respect as a country
0:04:50 > 0:04:55demands that we recapture self-government?
0:04:55 > 0:04:59I don't feel any less British for being in the European Union,
0:04:59 > 0:05:04you know, we are a different country, we are special.
0:05:04 > 0:05:06We don't believe in having some ever closer political union,
0:05:06 > 0:05:09we don't want a European army, we don't even want to join
0:05:09 > 0:05:11the single currency.
0:05:11 > 0:05:13You know, we're Britain, we are proud, we are independent,
0:05:13 > 0:05:16we are strong, we can be bloody-minded, we get things done,
0:05:16 > 0:05:19we are an amazing country, but we don't give up our national
0:05:19 > 0:05:21identity by being part of this organisation, just as we don't give
0:05:21 > 0:05:24up our national identity as being part of Nato or the G7
0:05:24 > 0:05:25or the Commonwealth.
0:05:25 > 0:05:28You know, we are the most connected, most effective nation,
0:05:28 > 0:05:29I would argue, in the world.
0:05:29 > 0:05:33You are long-standing supporter
0:05:33 > 0:05:36of Turkey becoming a full member of the European Union.
0:05:36 > 0:05:39I'll be absolutely frank with you - I don't think the accession
0:05:39 > 0:05:42of Turkey to the European Union is remotely on the cards.
0:05:42 > 0:05:44I don't think it will happen for decades.
0:05:44 > 0:05:47I think, if you look at the facts,
0:05:47 > 0:05:50the fact that it requires unanimity of all European members.
0:05:50 > 0:05:54The French, for instance, they would have a referendum on it.
0:05:54 > 0:05:57And so I'd say very clearly to people, if you're vote in this
0:05:57 > 0:05:59referendum is being influenced by considerations about Turkish
0:05:59 > 0:06:01membership of the EU, don't think about it,
0:06:01 > 0:06:04it's not remotely on the cards, it's not an issue in this
0:06:04 > 0:06:13referendum, and it shouldn't be.
0:06:13 > 0:06:16Five hours before that, the Prime Minister had taken part
0:06:16 > 0:06:18in robust exchanges in the Commons with the Labour leader
0:06:18 > 0:06:20at the weekly round of PMQs.
0:06:20 > 0:06:21David Cameron sought to make maximum political capital
0:06:21 > 0:06:23out of Jeremy Corbyn's difficulties
0:06:23 > 0:06:29over the claims of anti-Semitism within his party.
0:06:29 > 0:06:33I'm going to press him on this point, because he did say this.
0:06:33 > 0:06:38He said, "It will be my pleasure and my honour to host an event
0:06:38 > 0:06:42in Parliament where our friends from Hezbollah will be speaking."
0:06:42 > 0:06:46"I've also invited friends from Hamas to come and speak as well."
0:06:46 > 0:06:49Now, Hamas and Hezbollah believe in killing Jews.
0:06:49 > 0:06:52Not just in Israel but around the world.
0:06:52 > 0:06:55So will he take this opportunity, because if he wants to clear up
0:06:55 > 0:06:58the problem of anti-Semitism in the Labour Party,
0:06:58 > 0:07:01now is a good time to start! Withdraw that they are your friends!
0:07:01 > 0:07:05Jeremy Corbyn!
0:07:05 > 0:07:12Mr Speaker, I made very clear Labour is an anti-racist party
0:07:12 > 0:07:18and there is no place for anti-Semitism within it.
0:07:18 > 0:07:21We have suspended any members that have undertaken any anti-Semitic
0:07:21 > 0:07:24activities or work or statement
0:07:24 > 0:07:29and have established an inquiry led by Shami Chakrabarti.
0:07:29 > 0:07:31The points...
0:07:31 > 0:07:33The points he was making earlier relate to a discussion
0:07:33 > 0:07:38I was hosting in order to try to promote a peace process,
0:07:38 > 0:07:42and it was not an approval of those organisations.
0:07:42 > 0:07:46I absolutely do not approve of those organisations.
0:07:46 > 0:07:50I'm going to have to do this one more time.
0:07:50 > 0:07:52He referred to Hamas and Hezbollah as his friends.
0:07:52 > 0:07:53Now, he needs to withdraw that remark.
0:07:53 > 0:07:56Let me give him another chance, are they your
0:07:56 > 0:08:01friends, or are they not?
0:08:01 > 0:08:04Because those organisations, in their constitutions,
0:08:04 > 0:08:08believe in persecuting and killing Jews.
0:08:08 > 0:08:16They are anti-Semitic organisations, they are racist organisations.
0:08:16 > 0:08:18He must stand up and say they are not his friends.
0:08:19 > 0:08:22Jeremy Corbyn!
0:08:22 > 0:08:25Mr Speaker, obviously, anyone that commits racist acts
0:08:25 > 0:08:28or is anti-Semitic is not a friend of mine,
0:08:28 > 0:08:31it's very clear about that.
0:08:31 > 0:08:34Not exactly the finest exchanges between the leaders at PMQs.
0:08:34 > 0:08:41A few minutes later, the Prime Minister signalled
0:08:41 > 0:08:43a climb-down by the Government on the question of unaccompanied
0:08:43 > 0:08:45Syrian child refugees who've reached Europe.
0:08:45 > 0:08:47The Prime Minister disclosed talks were under way
0:08:47 > 0:08:49with the Save the Children charity about what Britain
0:08:50 > 0:08:52could do more to help.
0:08:52 > 0:08:54David Cameron had been facing a serious Conservative rebellion
0:08:54 > 0:08:57over the refusal up till then of the Government to allow the child
0:08:57 > 0:09:02refugees to come to Britain.
0:09:02 > 0:09:05The SNP's leader at Westminster quoted Sir Eric Reich,
0:09:05 > 0:09:14chairman of the Kindertransport Association of Jewish Refugees.
0:09:14 > 0:09:17He wrote, "The echoes of the past haunt many of my fellow Kinder
0:09:17 > 0:09:20and I whose fate rested with members of the British Parliament."
0:09:20 > 0:09:23"I feel it is incumbent on us to once again demonstrate our
0:09:23 > 0:09:24compassion and humankind needs to provide sanctuary
0:09:24 > 0:09:27to those in need."
0:09:27 > 0:09:31Why has it taken so long, and the threat of a Parliamentary
0:09:31 > 0:09:35defeat, for the Prime Minister to begin changing his mind?
0:09:35 > 0:09:37Prime Minister!
0:09:37 > 0:09:40We are already taking child migrants in Europe with a direct family
0:09:40 > 0:09:42connection to the UK, and we'll speed that up.
0:09:42 > 0:09:47I'm also talking to Save the Children to see what we can do
0:09:47 > 0:09:49more, particularly with children
0:09:49 > 0:09:52who came here before the EU-Turkey deal was signed.
0:09:52 > 0:09:55Because as I say again, what I don't want us to do
0:09:55 > 0:09:57is to take steps that will encourage people to make
0:09:57 > 0:10:03these dangerous journey, because otherwise our actions,
0:10:03 > 0:10:06however well-meaning they will be, could result in more people dying,
0:10:06 > 0:10:09rather than more people are getting a good life.
0:10:09 > 0:10:11Last week, I accused the Prime Minister of walking
0:10:11 > 0:10:16by on the other side when he stoutly defended his then policy opposing
0:10:16 > 0:10:19further help for unaccompanied refugee children in Europe,
0:10:19 > 0:10:22so if we are hearing now the beginnings of a U-turn,
0:10:22 > 0:10:24I very much welcome it,
0:10:24 > 0:10:27as I'm sure do members on all sides of the house.
0:10:27 > 0:10:36Could I encourage him to think more about what could be done, given,
0:10:36 > 0:10:39of course, that the Kindertransport helped 10,000 children from Europe?
0:10:39 > 0:10:41I will ask the Prime Minister finally to take the opportunity
0:10:41 > 0:10:44to thank Lord Alf Dubs and all campaigners who have worked
0:10:44 > 0:10:47so hard for the UK to live up to the example and the spirit
0:10:47 > 0:10:51of the Kindertransport.
0:10:51 > 0:10:55I certainly think that all those people deserve recognition
0:10:55 > 0:11:00for the work they've done to put these issue so squarely
0:11:00 > 0:11:04on the agenda.
0:11:04 > 0:11:07But let me just say again, I do reject the comparison
0:11:07 > 0:11:08with the Kindertransport, and for this reason.
0:11:08 > 0:11:11I would argue that what we're doing, primarily, which is taking
0:11:11 > 0:11:13children from the region, taking vulnerable people
0:11:13 > 0:11:15from the camps, going to the neighbouring countries,
0:11:15 > 0:11:17and taking people into our country, housing them, clothing them,
0:11:17 > 0:11:20feeding them, making sure they can have a good life here, that, to me,
0:11:21 > 0:11:23is like the Kindertransport.
0:11:23 > 0:11:26To say that the Kindertransport is taking today children
0:11:26 > 0:11:31from France, Germany, Italy, safe countries that are democracies,
0:11:31 > 0:11:35I think that is an insult to those countries.
0:11:35 > 0:11:43But as I've said, because of the steps that we are taking,
0:11:43 > 0:11:46place, the amendment does not now mention a number of people.
0:11:46 > 0:11:49We are going to go round the local authorities and see what more we can
0:11:49 > 0:11:52do, but let's stick to the principle that we should not be taking
0:11:52 > 0:11:54new arrivals to Europe.
0:11:54 > 0:11:55Later, outside the chamber, Downing Street explained that
0:11:55 > 0:11:58children registered in Greece, Italy or France before the EU-Turkey
0:11:58 > 0:12:09deal was signed last month would be eligible for resettlement.
0:12:09 > 0:12:12Well, as fighting in the Syrian city of Aleppo continued unabated
0:12:12 > 0:12:16despite the ceasefire agreed in February, experienced foreign
0:12:16 > 0:12:19correspondents have been talking about Britain's military involvement
0:12:19 > 0:12:20in both Syria and Iraq.
0:12:20 > 0:12:26The journalists faced the questions of the Commons Defence Committee.
0:12:26 > 0:12:30Their answers gave little room for optimism.
0:12:30 > 0:12:33The last time I went, I went to a school, a girls' school
0:12:33 > 0:12:36that had been bombed on sports day in Aleppo.
0:12:36 > 0:12:45And one bomb had hurled a girl against
0:12:45 > 0:12:47the wall and blasted in black her outline.
0:12:47 > 0:12:51So at the end of the school corridor there was the outline of a girl of
0:12:51 > 0:12:52about 9-10 years old.
0:12:52 > 0:12:54Just blasted her silhouette into the wall of the
0:12:54 > 0:12:56school corridor.
0:12:56 > 0:12:57That sort of stuff happens the whole time.
0:12:57 > 0:13:00It is a terrible vision, It's really difficult to explain
0:13:00 > 0:13:02to people here, because it's so extreme.
0:13:02 > 0:13:04And there was a warning that worse was to come if Mosul,
0:13:04 > 0:13:14the stronghold of so-called Islamic State, fell.
0:13:14 > 0:13:16I think you should also prepare yourself for how bad
0:13:16 > 0:13:18Mosul will probably be.
0:13:18 > 0:13:20The word Stalingrad is bounded around far too
0:13:20 > 0:13:21much by the media and elsewhere, but Mosul
0:13:21 > 0:13:24really has the potential to
0:13:24 > 0:13:34be really quite catastrophic, given how the fight will go both for the
0:13:36 > 0:13:38defenders and the attackers, Mosul will mostly be
0:13:38 > 0:13:39I reckon, pretty bloody
0:13:39 > 0:13:41awful.
0:13:41 > 0:13:44To you think Russia's action has assured that Assad will remain
0:13:44 > 0:13:45in power?
0:13:45 > 0:13:48And should we accept that it's the new norm, accept him as
0:13:48 > 0:13:49being in power?
0:13:49 > 0:13:51Putin has ensured Assad cannot lose.
0:13:51 > 0:13:52Once Assad cannot lose, eventually, the other
0:13:52 > 0:13:55side, I believe, it will filter down, that means we can't win.
0:13:55 > 0:13:58There was also criticism that the politicians had approached
0:13:58 > 0:14:01the conflict in the wrong way.
0:14:01 > 0:14:03We had had Egypt, we had had Libya.
0:14:03 > 0:14:06Two leaders had gone and the political class looked
0:14:06 > 0:14:09about, grandstanded, left right and centre,
0:14:09 > 0:14:11demanded Assad should go, and that put his back
0:14:11 > 0:14:14against the wall and gave him nowhere to go whatsoever.
0:14:14 > 0:14:15I
0:14:15 > 0:14:18think it was a mistake for us to shout go, go,
0:14:18 > 0:14:21go and it is a mistake we have been repeating for five or
0:14:21 > 0:14:26six years and we have now got ourselves into a position where we
0:14:26 > 0:14:29say, he could go, yes, sort of, but not necessarily right now.
0:14:29 > 0:14:30As if it's a policy.
0:14:30 > 0:14:35Forgive me for the extended rant, but it was a
0:14:35 > 0:14:39political mistake and the political class needs to think much harder
0:14:39 > 0:14:42about when this happens again, do what you really want to push this
0:14:43 > 0:14:44person into a corner?
0:14:44 > 0:14:46Be sure before you push.
0:14:46 > 0:14:49And now a look at some of the other stories in Parliament
0:14:49 > 0:14:50in the last few days.
0:14:50 > 0:14:53The Health Minister Alistair Burt has told MPs he's not ruled out
0:14:53 > 0:14:56holding a public inquiry into deaths at units run by the Southern Health
0:14:56 > 0:14:57NHS Foundation Trust.
0:14:57 > 0:15:00An inquiry last year found it had failed to investigate hundreds
0:15:00 > 0:15:03of deaths since 2011.
0:15:03 > 0:15:05The chairman of the Trust has now resigned.
0:15:05 > 0:15:10Labour said the anger of patients and families was fully justified.
0:15:14 > 0:15:16We should be angry that Connor Sparrowhawk was left
0:15:16 > 0:15:19to drown in a bath.
0:15:19 > 0:15:22We should be angry that Angela Smith took her own life.
0:15:22 > 0:15:24We should be angry that David West died in the
0:15:24 > 0:15:29care of his NHS Trust.
0:15:29 > 0:15:30His father was repeatedly ignored when he raised
0:15:30 > 0:15:32his concerns.
0:15:32 > 0:15:35All of them were denied the care they so desperately needed.
0:15:35 > 0:15:38Will he listen to all the pleas of the victims' families,
0:15:38 > 0:15:40campaigners and all of us who are demanding
0:15:40 > 0:15:41a full public inquiry
0:15:41 > 0:15:43into Southern health.
0:15:43 > 0:15:46I'm not ruling out some form of further inquiry,
0:15:46 > 0:15:51but remember, the inquiry is physically being done now.
0:15:51 > 0:15:54What needs to follow is urgent action to
0:15:54 > 0:16:00respond to what is said, not a long drawn-out
0:16:00 > 0:16:02public inquiry, which is
0:16:02 > 0:16:03not necessarily the right answer.
0:16:03 > 0:16:05It was called a kids' strike.
0:16:05 > 0:16:08Protest against tests for 7-11-year-olds, tests containing
0:16:08 > 0:16:11questions about English grammatical terms that some say have only
0:16:11 > 0:16:12limited long-term use.
0:16:12 > 0:16:14Was it a preposition too far?
0:16:14 > 0:16:17The Prime Minister got tested on his grammar.
0:16:17 > 0:16:22For the benefit of the House, and for 10-11-year-olds up down the
0:16:22 > 0:16:24country, will the Prime Minister explain what the past progressive
0:16:24 > 0:16:26tense is?
0:16:26 > 0:16:28Will he differentiate between a subordinating conjunctive
0:16:28 > 0:16:30and a coordinating conjunctive?
0:16:30 > 0:16:32And finally, will he set out his definition,
0:16:32 > 0:16:35please, of a modal verb?
0:16:35 > 0:16:38I could say to the honourable lady, the whole point of these changes is
0:16:38 > 0:16:41to make sure that our children are better educated than we are.
0:16:41 > 0:16:43And that's why am delighted that
0:16:43 > 0:16:51children at state schools are going off to do these tests, I'm
0:16:51 > 0:16:52absolutely delighted they're going to be.
0:16:52 > 0:16:54A possible breakthrough in
0:16:54 > 0:16:57the junior doctors dispute over new working contracts.
0:16:57 > 0:16:59The Government said it would pause the introduction
0:16:59 > 0:17:06of the contract in England for five days to allow talks.
0:17:06 > 0:17:09News that was well received in the House of Lords.
0:17:09 > 0:17:12My Lords, I am surprised but the delighted after the initial news
0:17:12 > 0:17:16this morning that the Department of Health has agreed to undertake
0:17:16 > 0:17:22discussions with the junior doctors.
0:17:22 > 0:17:24Is my noble friend aware that the public
0:17:24 > 0:17:26will greatly welcome the
0:17:26 > 0:17:30magnanimity of Her Majesty's Government in a willingly going
0:17:30 > 0:17:40forward to have further discussions over a short period.
0:17:42 > 0:17:44What he said this morning, welcome though it may
0:17:44 > 0:17:46be, it's really rather too late.
0:17:46 > 0:17:47Trust is the most important element when
0:17:47 > 0:17:50it comes to provision of medical services and they've lost the trust
0:17:50 > 0:17:53already, not only of the junior doctors, but a very large percentage
0:17:53 > 0:17:55of the general public.
0:17:55 > 0:17:57What I will say today is that we have an
0:17:57 > 0:18:00opportunity over the next five days for the BMA and the Government to
0:18:00 > 0:18:03find a resolution to this.
0:18:03 > 0:18:05Meanwhile, another source of friction in the health service.
0:18:05 > 0:18:08Nurses and midwives will no longer be funded with bursaries, but
0:18:08 > 0:18:11instead, by a system of loans, the same as student loans.
0:18:11 > 0:18:18Labour says it is not right.
0:18:18 > 0:18:20My concern about these proposals is that we ultimately end
0:18:20 > 0:18:23up with those who are best placed to
0:18:23 > 0:18:26pay becoming nurses and midwives and not those best placed to care.
0:18:26 > 0:18:36The evidence base for these proposals is at best uncertain
0:18:36 > 0:18:39and at worst...
0:18:39 > 0:18:41And the great benefit of bringing in
0:18:41 > 0:18:43apprenticeship routes and nursing associate roles, of
0:18:43 > 0:18:45diversifying the skill mix, of creating quicker
0:18:45 > 0:18:49and more numerous routes into a
0:18:49 > 0:18:52nursing profession is that we can create a more diverse more flexible
0:18:52 > 0:18:57and more agile, trained workforce.
0:18:57 > 0:19:00All of that will be possible as a result of
0:19:00 > 0:19:03the reforms of which this bursary reform is part.
0:19:03 > 0:19:05And the minister's cup runneth over, or at least her
0:19:05 > 0:19:06cereal bowl does.
0:19:06 > 0:19:11The Environment Secretary was given food for thought
0:19:11 > 0:19:14when she was asked a question by the MEP for the town where they make
0:19:14 > 0:19:17Weetabix.
0:19:17 > 0:19:19Will she ensure that at all the Defra breakfast meetings and
0:19:19 > 0:19:21international trade symposiums that her department organises around
0:19:21 > 0:19:29the world, that Weetabix is always served at these breakfast meetings?
0:19:29 > 0:19:31And not only is it exported around the world,
0:19:31 > 0:19:34all of the wheat grown is
0:19:34 > 0:19:37from 50 miles of the Weetabix factory, so it is a real example of
0:19:37 > 0:19:40linking farm through to fork.
0:19:40 > 0:19:45And I proudly display my own box of Elizabeth Truss Weetabix
0:19:45 > 0:19:47on my desk at Defra for all visitors to see
0:19:47 > 0:19:51when they arrive at my office.
0:19:51 > 0:19:53Liz Truss, the Minister for promoting Weetabix.
0:19:53 > 0:19:57Other cereals are available, of course.
0:19:57 > 0:20:00"Britain is levitating on a flow of dirty money."
0:20:00 > 0:20:03That was a claim made at a committee session on Tuesday
0:20:03 > 0:20:05by the American-born financial mogul Bill Browder.
0:20:05 > 0:20:09Mr Browder's firms used to invest in Russia,
0:20:09 > 0:20:13but he then became an outspoken critic of Vladimir Putin.
0:20:13 > 0:20:16The Home Affairs Committee is investigating how the UK deals
0:20:16 > 0:20:20with the proceeds of crime.
0:20:22 > 0:20:24It seems likely that in terms of money
0:20:24 > 0:20:25laundering going through the
0:20:25 > 0:20:28UK system every year, it is at least ?100 billion
0:20:28 > 0:20:29of which a portion is
0:20:29 > 0:20:32corrupt.
0:20:32 > 0:20:35In terms of way goes, some of it uses the
0:20:35 > 0:20:38UK as a destination, some of it flows to other destinations and
0:20:38 > 0:20:41clearly one of the things that makes the UK attractive as a centre for
0:20:41 > 0:20:43money laundering is historic links with overseas territories and
0:20:43 > 0:20:44Crown Dependencies.
0:20:44 > 0:20:47Because you can move the money very quickly to
0:20:47 > 0:20:51jurisdictions that are very well linked and your
0:20:51 > 0:20:54bank of lawyers and accountants will have very close connections and
0:20:54 > 0:20:56can easily set up companies and so on.
0:20:56 > 0:20:59The system that we have at the moment is just shot full
0:20:59 > 0:21:00of holes, it is very patchy.
0:21:00 > 0:21:03One of the other big supervisors that has quite a
0:21:03 > 0:21:05lots of different bodies and is meant to be
0:21:05 > 0:21:06supervising is HMRC and
0:21:06 > 0:21:09as far as we can see, they're not doing a very good job.
0:21:09 > 0:21:11For example, they supervise the estate agents and
0:21:11 > 0:21:15if you take the thought that a lot of corrupt money goes into London
0:21:15 > 0:21:18property, there is the question of why aren't the estate agents
0:21:18 > 0:21:22reporting this to anybody?
0:21:22 > 0:21:23We have filed over the course of five
0:21:23 > 0:21:27years, and we have now filed six complaints.
0:21:27 > 0:21:36We filed a complaint with the Metropolitan Police, 2010,
0:21:36 > 0:21:39to investigate the organised crime group and their response was that
0:21:39 > 0:21:43the responsibility to investigate fraud does not lie within the
0:21:43 > 0:21:47Metropolitan Police Service.
0:21:47 > 0:21:50We filed a complaint in 2012 with SOCA,
0:21:50 > 0:21:53and they wrote back to us saying they are not the appropriate body
0:21:54 > 0:21:55for the job.
0:21:55 > 0:21:57We filed a complaint with the Serious Fraud Office in
0:21:58 > 0:22:002012 to investigate this crime.
0:22:00 > 0:22:02They said the matter did not fall within
0:22:02 > 0:22:06the remit of the Serious Fraud Office.
0:22:06 > 0:22:08So what you are saying is
0:22:08 > 0:22:10that when you approached the Government agency about a serious
0:22:10 > 0:22:12crime you say has been committed, each one
0:22:12 > 0:22:14of them said it was not in
0:22:14 > 0:22:15their remit?
0:22:15 > 0:22:18I think this country is levitating on the flow of dirty
0:22:18 > 0:22:23money and I think that if there was a...
0:22:23 > 0:22:24If that money was stopped, then
0:22:24 > 0:22:27certain people would find themselves without businesses and I think those
0:22:27 > 0:22:32people have some political...
0:22:32 > 0:22:36It's a very serious charge.
0:22:36 > 0:22:38Well, I can't explain it any other way, because
0:22:38 > 0:22:42I've been to France, and I've spoke very intimately with the French
0:22:42 > 0:22:45police and the Department of Justice, I'm working with the
0:22:45 > 0:22:46Luxembourg police.
0:22:46 > 0:22:49Why is it so hard?
0:22:49 > 0:22:52You think it's a fair judgment that quite an amount of dirty money
0:22:52 > 0:22:57is going into property, and particularly in London?
0:22:57 > 0:23:02Correct.
0:23:02 > 0:23:04So clearly, it is not working, the situation at the moment?
0:23:04 > 0:23:09I would merely wish to repeat that I don't
0:23:09 > 0:23:14think there's any problem with the rules
0:23:14 > 0:23:16and regulations, it's just that
0:23:16 > 0:23:17nobody is interested in enforcing them or
0:23:17 > 0:23:20appears to be interested in
0:23:20 > 0:23:24enforcing them.
0:23:24 > 0:23:27Yes.
0:23:27 > 0:23:29If you look at most estate agents in London,
0:23:29 > 0:23:31certainly a year ago, still probably today,
0:23:31 > 0:23:32the majority think they are
0:23:32 > 0:23:33responsible only for their clients, the seller.
0:23:33 > 0:23:35The investigation into money laundering.
0:23:35 > 0:23:36Leicester City's unlikely achievement in winning football's
0:23:36 > 0:23:38Premiership has been recognised in Parliament.
0:23:38 > 0:23:40Celebrations in the East Midlands city began on Monday
0:23:40 > 0:23:42night when the challenge of Spurs fizzled out.
0:23:42 > 0:23:45One of the Leicester MPs, Keith Vaz, appeared in the Commons on Tuesday
0:23:45 > 0:23:47draped in the official scarf of the Foxes.
0:23:47 > 0:23:50And on Wednesday he was still wearing it.
0:23:50 > 0:23:53Keith Vaz.
0:23:53 > 0:24:01Can I thank the Prime Minister for joining Leicestershire
0:24:01 > 0:24:07MPs and the rest of the planet in congratulating Leicester City
0:24:07 > 0:24:10football club on their brilliant and historic success in the Premier
0:24:10 > 0:24:13League.
0:24:13 > 0:24:15During this amazing season, the local Leicester hero, Gary
0:24:15 > 0:24:18Lineker, thought the idea of Leicester winning was so
0:24:18 > 0:24:23far-fetched, that he said if it did win,
0:24:23 > 0:24:25he would present Match Of The
0:24:25 > 0:24:27Day in his underwear.
0:24:27 > 0:24:31Don't join him!
0:24:31 > 0:24:34As an Aston Villa supporter, and my commiserations to the Prime
0:24:34 > 0:24:36Minister on their season, does he agree that
0:24:36 > 0:24:42in politics, as well as
0:24:42 > 0:24:47in football, when you make a promise, you should keep it?
0:24:47 > 0:24:51I absolutely agree.
0:24:51 > 0:24:55I've been watching everything Gary Lineker has said
0:24:55 > 0:24:57since.
0:24:57 > 0:24:59He's not quite answering the question, something no one
0:24:59 > 0:25:01quite gets away with in this House.
0:25:01 > 0:25:03And so I welcome what he said.
0:25:03 > 0:25:05Obviously, I hope it's just the start of him
0:25:05 > 0:25:07joining the Blue team.
0:25:07 > 0:25:10David Cameron keeping the terraces happy in the Commons.
0:25:10 > 0:25:11But has he moved the goalposts?
0:25:11 > 0:25:13It'll be full-time for Parliament in a few days' time.
0:25:13 > 0:25:16MPs and peers will, in the language, prorogue
0:25:16 > 0:25:19ahead of the State Opening of Parliament a week on Wednesday.
0:25:19 > 0:25:21Alicia McCarthy will be here with our daily round-up
0:25:21 > 0:25:25at 11pm on Monday night.
0:25:25 > 0:25:31Until then, from me, Keith Macdougall, goodbye.