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:00:30. > :00:30.Hello and welcome to the Week In Parliament,

:00:31. > :00:33.where this session comes to a close with a final battle over

:00:34. > :00:50.As the Education Secretary faces questions about the Government's

:00:51. > :00:54.This is now under scrutiny. Anna is enough.

:00:55. > :00:56.As the Education Secretary faces questions about the Government's

:00:57. > :00:59.latest U-turn, we hear from two Westminster watchers on what makes

:01:00. > :01:09.When you see announcing things as doing things you are in real

:01:10. > :01:10.trouble. And the Culture Secretary

:01:11. > :01:21.unveils his blueprint Commissioning editors should ask

:01:22. > :01:25.consistently if you are programming is this idea sufficiently innovative

:01:26. > :01:28.and high quality, rather than simply how will it do in the ratings?

:01:29. > :01:31.But first, at the end of every session of parliament there's a bit

:01:32. > :01:34.of political horse trading between the Commons and the Lords

:01:35. > :01:36.as the last few bits of government legislation are argued over.

:01:37. > :01:40.This time round, there was a gritty determination by some peers to force

:01:41. > :01:41.change to the Housing and Planning Bill.

:01:42. > :01:44.There'd been concessions on starter homes and on plans to increase rents

:01:45. > :01:46.for those in social housing on higher incomes.

:01:47. > :01:49.But there was one part of the Bill on which peers wouldn't budge,

:01:50. > :01:52.guarantees that one new affordable home would be built for each high

:01:53. > :02:08.I understand the reluctance that some in This House will have other

:02:09. > :02:12.pressing this issue again. I have thought long and hard about these

:02:13. > :02:18.issues and I would not put this forward unless I thought it was of

:02:19. > :02:23.such vital importance. Unless we get this replacement policy right now,

:02:24. > :02:26.funding and discretion, we will inevitably see fewer genuinely

:02:27. > :02:29.affordable homes available. The Lords backed Lord Kerslake's

:02:30. > :02:31.amendment on Tuesday night, sending the bill back

:02:32. > :02:33.to the Commons, where a Labour MP took up the cause

:02:34. > :02:44.at Prime Minister's Questions. Last April he launched his manifesto

:02:45. > :02:49.promising to replace its own council houses with affordable homes in the

:02:50. > :02:52.same area. Wipe them is he proposing amendments to the Bill this

:02:53. > :02:59.afternoon which effectively implement the manifesto commitment?

:03:00. > :03:03.I would put the question back, our housing Bill meant every high value

:03:04. > :03:08.property sold will mean to new affordable homes in London. Why is

:03:09. > :03:15.it that the Labour Party and the other place are opposing what will

:03:16. > :03:19.mean more houses, more affordable housing, more home ownership. That

:03:20. > :03:20.is the truth. They talk a good game but they are the enemies of

:03:21. > :03:22.aspiration. And when MPs came to discuss

:03:23. > :03:25.the bill later in the day, the Housing Minister made it clear

:03:26. > :03:36.it was time for the It would have scrutinised this Bill

:03:37. > :03:40.adequately but this is now under scrutiny and this is a wrecking

:03:41. > :03:41.amendment. Enough is enough. It is time to stop.

:03:42. > :03:44.Lord Kerslake did have support in the Commons from Labour

:03:45. > :03:54.Council housing assets should not fund the right to buy for housing

:03:55. > :03:58.association tenants and in the housing crisis we should not adopt

:03:59. > :03:59.this top-down policy of forcing the sell-off of assets.

:04:00. > :04:02.But in the end, when the Commons sent the bill back to the Lords

:04:03. > :04:07.again, Lord Kerslake reluctantly climbed down.

:04:08. > :04:13.In the end, any contest between This House and the other place will be an

:04:14. > :04:23.unequal one. That is as it should be. They are elected and we are not.

:04:24. > :04:26.However, that should not dissuade us from making our case clearly and

:04:27. > :04:36.forcibly on issues that really matter. In this case, the matters

:04:37. > :04:41.involved matter a great deal. The underlying concerns about this Bill

:04:42. > :04:46.have been about its fairness, its commitment to localism and its

:04:47. > :04:50.delivery ability. Most of all, they have been about whether it will

:04:51. > :04:54.deliver the additional houses of all types, all types and ten years that

:04:55. > :04:57.this country so desperately needs. And with that the Lords

:04:58. > :04:59.withdrew their opposition - clearing the way for the Housing

:05:00. > :05:01.and Planning Bill to While there was much wrangling over

:05:02. > :05:05.the Housing Bill and many concessions along the way,

:05:06. > :05:07.there was a straight forward U-turn On the day the election

:05:08. > :05:11.results were coming in, the Education Secretary Nicky Morgan

:05:12. > :05:14.announced that the Government was abandoning plans to force

:05:15. > :05:18.all schools in England The proposal had many critics -

:05:19. > :05:25.including some Conservatives. On Monday Ms Morgan appeared

:05:26. > :05:28.in the Commons for the first time since that change of heart

:05:29. > :05:31.and insisted that although there will be no blanket requirement

:05:32. > :05:34.to become an academy - the change will be

:05:35. > :05:46.forced on some schools. We always intended this to be a six

:05:47. > :05:50.year process in which good schools should take their own decisions

:05:51. > :05:54.about their future as academies. We understand the concerns raised about

:05:55. > :05:58.a hard deadline and legislating for a blanket powers to issue Academy

:05:59. > :06:02.orders. That is why I announced on Friday that we have decided it is

:06:03. > :06:05.not necessary to take back the powers to convert good skills in

:06:06. > :06:12.strong authorities to academies at this time. Despite her best effort,

:06:13. > :06:16.this U-turn is getting the error in it deserves. Watch announced on

:06:17. > :06:20.Friday was a significant and welcome climb-down. However she wants to

:06:21. > :06:24.dress it up, dropping her desire to force all schools to become

:06:25. > :06:29.academies quite arbitrary deadline of 2022 he is a key concession.

:06:30. > :06:33.School leaders should take it as a clear signal that the food is often

:06:34. > :06:38.the throat and they should not be the need to jump before being

:06:39. > :06:43.pushed. Those of us concerned with this issue have expressed concerns

:06:44. > :06:48.about compulsion, of course, but also about planning for school

:06:49. > :06:52.places, transport across changing catchment areas and what happens

:06:53. > :06:57.when there is a failing school with no suitable Academy to take it over.

:06:58. > :07:01.Can I just say aye think the House is grateful to the Secretary of

:07:02. > :07:07.State for having listened and we would urge to listen to these vinyl

:07:08. > :07:09.pieces in the academisation jigsaw. We appreciate the tone and

:07:10. > :07:16.constructive nature of statement afternoon. Will the Minister

:07:17. > :07:19.acknowledge that the teachers, the Labour Party, the students and

:07:20. > :07:27.parents were right and she was wrong? I think she let herself down

:07:28. > :07:30.like that patronising question. The truth is that if any government

:07:31. > :07:33.minister that any proposals forward then we add comment but that doesn't

:07:34. > :07:39.mean we should not put proposals forward. When I said I was not going

:07:40. > :07:41.to leave the job have done, I will not leave the job half done.

:07:42. > :07:43.Nicky Morgan, performing a U-turn on her academisation policy.

:07:44. > :07:47.In recent weeks we've had handbrake turns on tax credits,

:07:48. > :07:51.So, political pragmatism or political feebleness?

:07:52. > :07:54.Earlier I spoke to two Westminster watchers, journalist and author

:07:55. > :07:58.John Rentoul and deputy director of the Institute for Government

:07:59. > :08:01.and former deputy director of the Prime Minister's Strategy

:08:02. > :08:06.I began by asking Julian McCrae when pragmatism started

:08:07. > :08:19.I think it always matters what the consequences are of what you have

:08:20. > :08:24.done and how quickly you readjust. Some of the things we have seen,

:08:25. > :08:27.customisation of skins, it was clear fairly early on they did not have

:08:28. > :08:33.the support among their own backbenchers. Once you are in that

:08:34. > :08:37.situation, dropping that policy is important. Other things like tax

:08:38. > :08:41.credits, that mattered because there was a lot of money to achieve the

:08:42. > :08:45.mission of getting to a surplus by the end of the tournament and they

:08:46. > :08:50.are expecting conveys a lot of money from that. They hung on to that for

:08:51. > :08:53.four months and had to give it up and in that circumstance, the

:08:54. > :08:59.question became what else do you now need to do to make that gap. It is

:09:00. > :09:05.pragmatism, it is just being shifted of your agent and have to figure out

:09:06. > :09:09.what the next thing to do is. He mentioned the Academy programme. The

:09:10. > :09:13.government had an idea to force schools to be academies, it is you

:09:14. > :09:17.turned, but it is still the direction of travel. Most schools

:09:18. > :09:26.with the academies. The government is kind of getting what it wants. It

:09:27. > :09:29.probably will. We have changed the government of schools and a lot of

:09:30. > :09:32.times in the UK. We did it by providing financial incentives,

:09:33. > :09:36.people volunteer to follow those incentives. We do not have to do it

:09:37. > :09:42.by legislation that forces them to do it on the floor of the House.

:09:43. > :09:46.There was an interesting calculation that they wanted to legislate and we

:09:47. > :09:52.want to say it will be forced, that is no choice. For schools, it wasn't

:09:53. > :09:58.clear that would be something they needed to do to achieve their ends.

:09:59. > :10:03.The government would hate to admit this but are they missing the

:10:04. > :10:05.liberal Democrats? We had a lot of negotiations behind the scene and we

:10:06. > :10:12.didn't see where there were compromises. That is one of the big

:10:13. > :10:15.problems David Cameron and George Osborne have had in adjusting to

:10:16. > :10:18.single party government because they had assumed that once things were

:10:19. > :10:22.negotiated with the Liberal Democrats would happen because the

:10:23. > :10:29.coalition, together, had a huge majority where is now David Cameron

:10:30. > :10:33.only has a majority of 16. You only need to lose eight Conservative MPs

:10:34. > :10:39.from a policy and he cannot get it through the Commons. This is what

:10:40. > :10:45.majority for me to be pragmatic? It should force you to the more

:10:46. > :10:50.thoughtful before you put bright shiny policies in your budget like

:10:51. > :10:53.forced academies. Whether you can actually get the numbers in the

:10:54. > :10:58.House of Commons and beyond that in the House of Lords which will always

:10:59. > :11:05.be a problem until it is reformed. Is the biggest point that policies

:11:06. > :11:09.are not thought about properly? The big issue is that the government has

:11:10. > :11:14.a huge agenda. It wants a surplus by the end of the tournament, it want

:11:15. > :11:18.to contain and improve the quality of public services. The premise was

:11:19. > :11:23.focused on the things he needed to do early on, his devolution plans,

:11:24. > :11:27.some of the stuff about digital technology and how you can use it.

:11:28. > :11:32.That has disappeared and it is still not permitted. They have a make that

:11:33. > :11:37.work and yet we have a tendency to do a new announcement because we

:11:38. > :11:41.have a budget for a speech,. That tendency is dangerous to government.

:11:42. > :11:48.It is part of politics, it likes the new and shiny, but delivering as a

:11:49. > :11:52.government focusing is critical. All governments like to be seen to be

:11:53. > :11:57.doing things. Mr Ashworth Mrs Thatcher, Tony Blair, were they

:11:58. > :12:06.pragmatic? They had large majorities. David Cameron doesn't.

:12:07. > :12:10.He keeps forgetting that. When the issue of unaccompanied children

:12:11. > :12:14.refugees came up for example, he thought the sensible thing to do was

:12:15. > :12:17.to deal with the problem at source and if you took them from Calais

:12:18. > :12:22.that would create an incentive for people to send their children ahead

:12:23. > :12:27.of them. That is a sensible argument but it is not one you could persuade

:12:28. > :12:30.his own party in the House of Commons to abide by and he certainly

:12:31. > :12:37.could not persuade the House of Lords.

:12:38. > :12:48.Do you think the Government will carry on and will the be forced into

:12:49. > :12:52.this? It is a small majority. You have to pick your battles very

:12:53. > :12:56.carefully and you have to prepare for them. When you think about the

:12:57. > :13:00.prison reform that Michael Gove is talking about, can they build on

:13:01. > :13:05.that, can they consult their backbench and make sure they have

:13:06. > :13:09.the votes to get that through and be pragmatic that is central to the

:13:10. > :13:14.current agenda? They settle on those things that is great for government

:13:15. > :13:17.but when you see and mounting things as doing things, you're in real

:13:18. > :13:21.trouble. If they start announcing lots of new things and not focusing

:13:22. > :13:25.on delivering things they have already announced that will be

:13:26. > :13:28.problem. That seems a good note on which to leave it so thank you for

:13:29. > :13:30.coming into the programme. Now let's take a look at some

:13:31. > :13:34.other news from around On Tuesday, the Prime Minister

:13:35. > :13:38.was caught on camera telling the Queen that Nigeria

:13:39. > :13:41.and Afghanistan were "possibly the two most corrupt countries

:13:42. > :13:45.in the world." Both states were about to attend

:13:46. > :13:47.an anti-corruption summit in London. No surprise then that

:13:48. > :13:49.David Cameron's indiscretion was raised the next day

:13:50. > :14:01.at Prime Minister's Questions. Has the Prime Minister read the

:14:02. > :14:05.appeals from Nigerian campaigners who say our efforts are sadly

:14:06. > :14:12.undermined if countries such as your own are welcoming our corrupt to

:14:13. > :14:15.hide their ill gotten gains in your luxury homes, department stores, car

:14:16. > :14:19.dealerships, private schools and anywhere else that will accept the

:14:20. > :14:24.cash with no questions asked? The whole point of holding the summit in

:14:25. > :14:25.London is to save the action is necessary by developed country as

:14:26. > :14:26.well as developing countries. The Labour leader meanwhile

:14:27. > :14:36.wanted to know what the PM UK administered tax havens which

:14:37. > :14:43.received large sums of money from dodgy sources which should and must

:14:44. > :14:48.be closed down, as should any tax evasion in the City of London. This

:14:49. > :14:52.government has done more than any previous government to deal with

:14:53. > :14:55.this issue of making sure that our overseas territories and Crown

:14:56. > :14:57.dependencies are not tax havens but behave in a responsible way.

:14:58. > :14:59.A spelling, punctuation and grammar test taken by 600,000 primary school

:15:00. > :15:02.children in England on Tuesday was nearly jeopardised

:15:03. > :15:10.MPs were told that the Key Stage Two test had been "mistakenly uploaded"

:15:11. > :15:12.onto a secure website, and someone with access to the site

:15:13. > :15:17.It was the second time in three weeks a primary school exam

:15:18. > :15:29.This was clearly a mistake which should not have been possible. I

:15:30. > :15:35.have asked that all records are examined and all information

:15:36. > :15:36.interrogators that the cob but -- culprit who leaked this information

:15:37. > :15:38.can be identified. Researchers at Oxford University say

:15:39. > :15:40.findings backing the Government's push for a seven-day NHS in England

:15:41. > :15:43.are based on flawed data. The study disputed that there

:15:44. > :15:55.was a "weekend effect" when death If we expand, if we say we can have

:15:56. > :15:59.everything every day, if they're not the danger that in actual fact we

:16:00. > :16:04.will admit what people saw the ratio will look better but in actual fact

:16:05. > :16:07.exactly same number of people will have died? They won't have prevented

:16:08. > :16:13.any debts, we will have just made the mortality rate look better. --

:16:14. > :16:17.deaths. We can get into discussions about the different studies are they

:16:18. > :16:20.thinking is comprehensive study of the study that was published last

:16:21. > :16:25.September but was a huge international... More comprehensive?

:16:26. > :16:31.It is the same dataset only they included all of the eight Andy

:16:32. > :16:37.attendances and the guilt that into the paper. And it included in that

:16:38. > :16:40.paper there is a weekend effect, and that the standard of care we give at

:16:41. > :16:46.weekends is different because she had to be more ill to get a decision

:16:47. > :16:50.to admit you, that is a big reason why we believe we should have a

:16:51. > :16:53.seven-day NHS because we don't believe there should be a difference

:16:54. > :16:58.in the criteria for admission at the weekend is in the week.

:16:59. > :17:04.Two new MPs arrived in the Commons on Monday.

:17:05. > :17:08.Border. Order. Will members wishing to take their seats please come to

:17:09. > :17:09.the table? Gill Furniss is now the Labour MP

:17:10. > :17:11.for Sheffield Brightside She won the seat in a by-election

:17:12. > :17:15.caused by the death of her And Chris Elmore is the new Labour

:17:16. > :17:20.MP for Ogmore - he took over from Huw Irranca Davies,

:17:21. > :17:22.who stood down from Westminster to stand for election

:17:23. > :17:24.to the Welsh Assembly. And while we're on the subject,

:17:25. > :17:27.the election of Sadiq Khan as mayor of London means there's to be

:17:28. > :17:30.a by-election in the South West Mr Khan comfortably defeated

:17:31. > :17:34.the Conservative Zac Labour's chief whip moved the writ

:17:35. > :17:39.initiating the by-election The party says it expects

:17:40. > :17:43.the contest to take place The Culture Secretary has unveiled

:17:44. > :17:49.the Government's blueprint for the future of the BBC,

:17:50. > :17:51.saying the broadcaster needs to focus on distinctiveness

:17:52. > :17:56.and diversity. John Whittingdale dismissed earlier

:17:57. > :17:59.reports of plans to reduce the BBC's independence and funding

:18:00. > :18:02.as the "hysterical speculation of left-wing luvvies." Under

:18:03. > :18:06.the plans, the licence fee will continue at least

:18:07. > :18:11.for the next 11 years. People watching BBC programmes

:18:12. > :18:13.online will have to The BBC will be overseen

:18:14. > :18:17.by a new "unitary board" and regulated by the

:18:18. > :18:31.broadcasting watchdog Ofcom. Commissioning editors should ask

:18:32. > :18:33.consistently if new programming, is this idea sufficiently innovative

:18:34. > :18:39.and high quality rather than simply how will it two in the ratings? So

:18:40. > :18:42.we will place a requirement to provide distinctive content and

:18:43. > :18:48.services at the heart of the BBC's overall core mission of informing,

:18:49. > :18:52.educating and entertaining in the public interest. For the last few

:18:53. > :18:57.weeks Mr Speaker we have had to read and increasing avalanche of briefing

:18:58. > :19:00.to Conservative supporting newspapers. Especially those

:19:01. > :19:05.newspapers hostile to the BBC which appears to have been emanating from

:19:06. > :19:09.his department. The fact that most of his wilder proposals appear to

:19:10. > :19:13.have been watered down or dumped or delayed by the Government is a

:19:14. > :19:17.reflection of his diminishing influence and lack of clout. He has

:19:18. > :19:18.not got his way in most things and I welcome that.

:19:19. > :19:25.A Conservative welcomed the commitment to increasing diversity.

:19:26. > :19:33.The BBC has struggled with diversity on screen and off screen for far too

:19:34. > :19:37.long. I absolutely welcome the enjoyment of diversity into the new

:19:38. > :19:40.charter. It is the right and wise thing to do. Does the Secretary of

:19:41. > :19:44.State agree with me that attracting the brightest and most diverse

:19:45. > :19:47.talent will actually improve the content of the BBC's offering and

:19:48. > :19:58.also ultimately the ratings? Many of us are very concerned that

:19:59. > :20:02.this is the thin edge of the wedge that will prevent the BBC from

:20:03. > :20:05.competing in prime time with commercial broadcasters and is

:20:06. > :20:09.deliberately designed to do so. What assurance can the Minister give to

:20:10. > :20:15.this House that that is not the intention and that that will not be

:20:16. > :20:21.the case? I think I can assure him that that is not the intention. It

:20:22. > :20:25.is something the BBC has fully recognised and embraced. The BBC's

:20:26. > :20:30.director-general has been a driving force here. He has highlighted that

:20:31. > :20:34.he wants to see a system that firmly holds our feed to the fire on

:20:35. > :20:45.distinctiveness and that to my mind is what the white paper proposals

:20:46. > :20:50.will deliver. The register declares major interests I was going to say

:20:51. > :20:55.is a nightmare of an endangered species but now a condemned species,

:20:56. > :21:02.namely the BBC Trust. -- is a member of an endangered species. Knowing

:21:03. > :21:05.the great interest that is in this House, I welcome the Government

:21:06. > :21:09.commitment in the white paper to ring fencing of the BBC World

:21:10. > :21:13.Service. I think that is very important indeed. That presents a

:21:14. > :21:19.solid guarantee for the years ahead as well as a certainty provided by

:21:20. > :21:24.an 11 year charter. My concern is however are that the proposals to

:21:25. > :21:27.protect the BBC's independence do not cover enough. Will the Minister

:21:28. > :21:33.assure the House that the Government will provide sufficient guarantees

:21:34. > :21:39.that its future decisions about the BBC and in particular about funding

:21:40. > :21:41.appointments to the board are made clearly and transparently and

:21:42. > :21:47.without compromising the BBC's independence? That statement about

:21:48. > :21:51.the BBC came on the last day of this session of Parliament which ended

:21:52. > :21:54.with the traditional ceremony of prorogation.

:21:55. > :22:01.Here's Duncan Smith with five things you need to know.

:22:02. > :22:05.The Royal Commission - five peers - acts on behalf of the Queen,

:22:06. > :22:15.and instruct Black Rod to summons the Commons.

:22:16. > :22:19.Since it last banged on the door is on the House of Commons...

:22:20. > :22:21.During this session, Parliament has sat for 151 days in total,

:22:22. > :22:25.The Speaker, The Clerk and the Serjant at Arms officially

:22:26. > :22:27.greet The Royal Commission with a ceremonial doff

:22:28. > :22:31.of the hat on one side, and a bow in return on the other.

:22:32. > :22:38.The last monarch to do so in person was Queen Victoria in 1854.

:22:39. > :22:42.Royal Assent is formally announced to all legislation not already

:22:43. > :22:47.With the Norman French words La Reyne le vault -

:22:48. > :22:55.MPs return to the Commons and file out past the Speaker,

:22:56. > :23:08.Duncan Smith, with fun facts on prorogation marking the end

:23:09. > :23:11.of this session of the Westminster Parliament.

:23:12. > :23:14.MPs and peers will return on Wednesday for the state

:23:15. > :23:17.opening and Queen's Speech, setting out the bills

:23:18. > :23:20.the Government wants to introduce in the next 12 months.

:23:21. > :23:23.But while we're saying goodbye, it's hello from the new look

:23:24. > :23:29.First to Northern Ireland, where the Democratic Unionist Party

:23:30. > :23:31.remains the largest in Northern Ireland

:23:32. > :23:37.Its leader, Arlene Foster, will continue as First Minister.

:23:38. > :23:41.Of the 108 assembly seats, the DUP has 38 -

:23:42. > :23:44.while the second largest party, Sinn Fein, has 28.

:23:45. > :23:47.The result means the DUP holds the same number of seats

:23:48. > :23:53.Meanwhile, in Scotland, MSPs have been sworn

:23:54. > :23:57.in for the fifth session of the Scottish Parliament.

:23:58. > :24:00.All 129 members took either an oath or an affirmation in the well

:24:01. > :24:07.The leaders of Holyrood's five political parties

:24:08. > :24:11.were sworn in first - starting with SNP leader

:24:12. > :24:13.and First Minister Nicola Sturgeon and the new Leader Of

:24:14. > :24:15.The Opposition, the Conservative Ruth Davidson.

:24:16. > :24:18.The Parliament also elected a new presiding officer,

:24:19. > :24:25.The Labour MSP for West Scotland paid tribute to his predecessor

:24:26. > :24:29.Tricia Marwick and reminded fellow Parliamentarians of the "promise

:24:30. > :24:31.offered by devolution." But the big surprise of the week

:24:32. > :24:35.On Wednesday, newly elected Ukip, Conservative and Plaid Assembly

:24:36. > :24:38.Members flexed their collective muscles and blocked

:24:39. > :24:43.the re-election of Labour's leader Carwyn Jones as First Minister.

:24:44. > :24:45.Our Political Editor for Wales, Nick Servini, explains what's been

:24:46. > :24:57.There have been extraordinary developments here at the Senate.

:24:58. > :25:00.What happened after the election is that Labour emerged as by far the

:25:01. > :25:04.biggest party but they don't have an overall majority and they need the

:25:05. > :25:08.support of Plaid Cymru in particular. But we have had is a

:25:09. > :25:11.vote to nominate the next First Minister. We thought it would be

:25:12. > :25:16.something of a formality with the Labour leader Carwyn Jones becoming

:25:17. > :25:22.the next First Minister. What happened was that Plaid Cymru is

:25:23. > :25:27.Labour from wartime to discuss potential deals and they refused. As

:25:28. > :25:31.a result they nominated their own leader Leanne Wood and with the

:25:32. > :25:36.support of UKIP and the Tories they manage to get 29 votes, exactly the

:25:37. > :25:42.same as Labour did. So we have a dead heat. There would have to be

:25:43. > :25:45.another vote in the future. As a result all sorts of talks are taking

:25:46. > :25:48.place. The main focus of discussions to try and break the deadlock is

:25:49. > :25:50.between Labour and Plaid Cymru. Nick Servini, on dramatic times

:25:51. > :25:52.at the Welsh Assembly. And that's it from us for now,

:25:53. > :25:56.but do join me on Wednesday when MPs and peers return to Westminster

:25:57. > :25:59.for the pomp and ceremony