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:00:18. > :00:19.Hello and welcome to the Week In Parliament.

:00:20. > :00:23.After the resignation of Dame Justice Lowell Godd`rd,

:00:24. > :00:25.there are questions for the Prime Minister

:00:26. > :00:28.about the running of the child sex abuse inquiry.

:00:29. > :00:31.Can she now finally tell us when she personally learned

:00:32. > :00:36.of the serious problems devdloping in this inquiry, and why it was

:00:37. > :00:51.The Home Secretary cannot intervene on this basis of suspicion, rumour

:00:52. > :00:53.or hearsay. As a new committee is set up

:00:54. > :00:57.to keep an eye on Brexit - one veteran chairwoman tells us

:00:58. > :00:59.what its biggest challenge will be. Getting the information

:01:00. > :01:01.which will enable them to ask the tough questions on behalf

:01:02. > :01:04.of Parliament and the public, to ensure the Government

:01:05. > :01:06.is getting the best deal. And a withering verdict

:01:07. > :01:09.on Sir Philip Green, as MPs demand the former owner

:01:10. > :01:14.of BHS is stripped of his knighhood. He took the rings from BHS' fingers,

:01:15. > :01:19.he beat it black and blue, he starved it of food and w`ter

:01:20. > :01:23.he put it on life support and then he wanted credit

:01:24. > :01:27.for keeping it alive. But first, to the child

:01:28. > :01:30.sexual abuse inquiry, where the question that wouldn't go

:01:31. > :01:34.away this week was who knew what - and when - about the resign`tion

:01:35. > :01:38.of Dame Justice Lowell Godd`rd. The third appointee to head

:01:39. > :01:40.the inquiry stepped down in August But newspapers suggested thdre'd

:01:41. > :01:46.been concerns about her competence and professionalism -

:01:47. > :01:48.though she strenuously denidd The Home Secretary said her

:01:49. > :01:54.department had only been told about concerns over Dame Lowell

:01:55. > :01:57.a few days before she quit, and explained why she'd madd no

:01:58. > :02:01.mention of any complaints when she was questioned

:02:02. > :02:04.about the resignation by MPs I was asked why

:02:05. > :02:09.Dame Lowell had gone. Dame Lowell had not spoken to me

:02:10. > :02:13.about her reasons, so I relhed on the letter she had

:02:14. > :02:16.sent to the committee. In her letter, she said

:02:17. > :02:20.she was lonely and felt that she could not deliver,

:02:21. > :02:23.and that was why she stepped down. Dame Lowell has strongly refuted

:02:24. > :02:29.the allegations about her, and the only way we could understand

:02:30. > :02:34.properly why she resigned would be To echo any further allegathons

:02:35. > :02:40.which are now likely to be subject to legal dispute would have been

:02:41. > :02:51.entirely inappropriate. And she says that she was rdliant

:02:52. > :02:54.on Justice Goddard's letter. Why didn't she get a full rdsponse

:02:55. > :02:59.from her as to why she was going? The next day, MPs heard dirdctly

:03:00. > :03:01.from members of the panel. What was your relationship

:03:02. > :03:03.like and your working conditions and working relationship

:03:04. > :03:06.like with Dame Lowell in her 16 months there that coincided

:03:07. > :03:10.with your tenures? I'll start, yes, then the others can

:03:11. > :03:14.make their own contributions. It was clear from the beginning that

:03:15. > :03:18.Lowell Goddard really would have preferred to sit

:03:19. > :03:22.on her own without the That's very all-encompassing word,

:03:23. > :03:29.challenges, usually. Indeed, there were some fairly

:03:30. > :03:32.all-encompassing challenges too What I will say is that the chair

:03:33. > :03:37.wasn't always present in the United Kingdom

:03:38. > :03:43.through the entire six-month period. And so we were able to conthnue

:03:44. > :03:46.with our work for extensive periods without very much contact

:03:47. > :03:50.with the chair. There were times when things were

:03:51. > :03:54.perfectly amicable and profdssional. There were other times

:03:55. > :03:57.when it was less the case. So was she a nightmare to work with,

:03:58. > :04:00.as some papers have suggestdd? I would prefer to say

:04:01. > :04:06.that there were challenges. She appointed the chair.

:04:07. > :04:17.Theresa May what she knew. She was the individual responsible

:04:18. > :04:21.for the inquiry's success. She was the Home Secretary hn April,

:04:22. > :04:25.and she was the only person So can she now finally tell us

:04:26. > :04:30.when she personally learned of the serious problems devdloping

:04:31. > :04:35.in this inquiry, and why it was that Can I say, I recognise

:04:36. > :04:43.that the honourable lady has taken I'm sure that she will recognise,

:04:44. > :04:48.as I hope other members of this House do, why it was that I set

:04:49. > :04:52.up the inquiry. For too long, people

:04:53. > :04:54.who had been subjected... For too long,

:04:55. > :05:00.people who had been subjectdd to child sexual abuse

:05:01. > :05:05.had their voices, their voices went unheard and they felt

:05:06. > :05:08.they weren't getting justicd. That's why it's very import`nt

:05:09. > :05:12.that the inquiry is able to continue There were stories around

:05:13. > :05:17.about the inquiry and about But the Home Secretary cannot

:05:18. > :05:23.intervene on the basis On Wednesday afternoon,

:05:24. > :05:34.John Bercow stood up and announced He was telling MPs who had been

:05:35. > :05:40.chosen to chair a handful Among the winners,

:05:41. > :05:44.Labour's Hilary Benn, who's to head a new committde,

:05:45. > :05:46.shadowing the It's a big job and it's

:05:47. > :05:51.going to be a big committee, So where do you start,

:05:52. > :05:56.and what should a good I'm delighted to say I'm johned

:05:57. > :06:01.by Dame Margaret Hodge, who frequently made the headlines

:06:02. > :06:13.when she chaired the Thank you very much for comhng in.

:06:14. > :06:18.Let's start by talking about what you think a good committee should

:06:19. > :06:24.do, what should be the point of it? The point is to hold the exdcutive

:06:25. > :06:29.to account. That's our job, on behalf of the public. So how do you

:06:30. > :06:35.do it? You do it best by buhlding consensus. These are cross-party

:06:36. > :06:39.committees, they reflect Parliament. But the strongest committees, with

:06:40. > :06:44.the best impact, are the onds where you can build consensus across the

:06:45. > :06:48.political spectrum with what you're looking at. The questions you need

:06:49. > :06:52.to ask other questions the public want you to ask.

:06:53. > :06:54.This brings us neatly to looking at this committee that Hilary Benn is

:06:55. > :06:59.going to chair. It's a tough job, going to chair. It's a tough job,

:07:00. > :07:04.looking at the Department for Exiting the EU. But it's but had 21

:07:05. > :07:08.members, is that when to make his job difficult?

:07:09. > :07:13.I think Hilary is a great choice of chair, he's very experienced, good

:07:14. > :07:20.at building consensus and h`s a long history of knowledge, and expertise

:07:21. > :07:24.in the subject. But I must say, I recoiled in a bit of horror when I

:07:25. > :07:30.saw the he'd had 21 people on his committee. Because, my experience

:07:31. > :07:35.from when I ran the committde, was that often, our most effecthve

:07:36. > :07:41.sessions were ones where we didn't have all our members turn up to

:07:42. > :07:47.Zero down to perhaps five or six members, and that meant we could

:07:48. > :07:50.really work as a team. Again, across political parties, but we could

:07:51. > :07:59.focus effectively in oche hdre and focus. 21 is pretty hard work. And

:08:00. > :08:04.on Brexit, views are so different and people are so divided on the

:08:05. > :08:09.subject, building consensus is going to be really tough ask.

:08:10. > :08:14.One of the reasons it has bden set up the way it has is to reflect the

:08:15. > :08:17.breadth of opinion and to rdpresent the United Kingdom geographhcally.

:08:18. > :08:21.But view think 21 is to manx, how would you have done it?

:08:22. > :08:25.I would have had fewer in ntmber. I think it can reflect the diversity

:08:26. > :08:32.of views and the different due graphical locations in a much better

:08:33. > :08:37.way. -- geographical locations. I cannot understand why you would put

:08:38. > :08:40.up 21 members. That is what Hilary has got, it was agreed by

:08:41. > :08:44.parliaments, is that is what he has to work with. So I hope he finds a

:08:45. > :08:49.way of working which will not mean you get these very stilted sessions

:08:50. > :08:53.where everybody feels they've got to have the two pennies worth. And

:08:54. > :08:57.actually, you can never follow issues through logically.

:08:58. > :09:01.Because its role is good to be scrutiny, not the remit of producing

:09:02. > :09:05.reports, it's going to be scrutinising. So if you havd a lot

:09:06. > :09:08.of members, it is going to be tickled to file an attack, work

:09:09. > :09:15.together? I hope they can collectivelx agree

:09:16. > :09:19.we are working together that makes them an effective committee. That's

:09:20. > :09:24.the most important thing, to be an effective committee. I'm thhnking of

:09:25. > :09:27.the sessions we have when wd hold the Prime Minister to accounts, or

:09:28. > :09:30.the chairs of the Select Colmittee together. If we were all in the same

:09:31. > :09:37.room together, holding the premise of Dirk Kuyt - I can remembdr, there

:09:38. > :09:42.would be 25 or 30 of us in the room? So what he had to do was lilit the

:09:43. > :09:44.amount of members for the sdssion. If your in one session, you don t

:09:45. > :09:48.necessarily come to the next. That necessarily come to the next. That

:09:49. > :09:51.might be a technique that the committee collectively decide would

:09:52. > :09:56.make them more effective. How is going to make the Government

:09:57. > :10:02.take any notice of anything it says. That is going to be the next tough

:10:03. > :10:05.Government to pay attention. Government to pay attention.

:10:06. > :10:08.I think the most important part of this committee will be getthng the

:10:09. > :10:13.information which allows thdm to ask the tough questions which are

:10:14. > :10:17.centred ask Parliament and public to make sure the Government is getting

:10:18. > :10:22.the best deal as we exit Europe I suppose my only bit of advice to

:10:23. > :10:26.Hilary - he would need much as he is more experience than I am - would be

:10:27. > :10:32.not to just rely on the traditional mechanisms for doing that. Whether

:10:33. > :10:36.it's Government departments that may be reluctant to get them

:10:37. > :10:39.information, whether it's indeed the advisers. What I found really

:10:40. > :10:44.helpful when we were doing the work of holding the Government to account

:10:45. > :10:47.for expenditure was material we got from journalists, television

:10:48. > :10:53.programme makers and whistle-blowers. So I think looking

:10:54. > :10:57.beyond our limits, beyond the civil service, beyond Government `t how

:10:58. > :11:01.you can get the information, that will be his challenge to thdn

:11:02. > :11:05.interrogate the Government `nd help them to accounts, will be one of the

:11:06. > :11:09.ways he can get a more effective committee.

:11:10. > :11:11.Will be looking closely to see how he does. Thank you very much coming

:11:12. > :11:12.into the programme. Now let's take a look at sole

:11:13. > :11:15.of the other news from around The Defence Secretary has told MPs

:11:16. > :11:19.the so-called Islamic State group is "failing" in Iraq,

:11:20. > :11:21.but warned the fight to regain the country's

:11:22. > :11:23.second largest city, Mosul, "will not be

:11:24. > :11:24.a quick operation". The city in Northern Iraq

:11:25. > :11:29.was overrun by IS militants in 014. The Daesh extremists now hold only

:11:30. > :11:34.10% of Iraqi territory. Ridding Iraq of Daesh was ndver

:11:35. > :11:38.going to be quick or easy. As we enter the third year

:11:39. > :11:41.of the campaign, real progress is being made,

:11:42. > :11:46.and defeating Daesh in the long term will help make the streets

:11:47. > :11:52.of Britain and Europe safer. On Wednesday, Prime Minister's

:11:53. > :11:54.Questions began with both Theresa May and Jeremy Corbxn

:11:55. > :11:57.remembering the tragedy at @berfan. On October 21st 1966,

:11:58. > :12:01.an avalanche of coal waste crashed into a school and 18 houses

:12:02. > :12:05.in the south Wales village , The disaster made headlines

:12:06. > :12:13.around the world. Jeremy Corbyn reckoned it

:12:14. > :12:16.would never be forgotten. Many in that community are still

:12:17. > :12:19.living with that tragedy and they will live with that tragedy

:12:20. > :12:21.for the rest of their days. I remember it very well,

:12:22. > :12:24.as a young person growing up at that time, and watching

:12:25. > :12:27.collections for the disaster fund. I think the BBC

:12:28. > :12:30.documentary presented by Huw Edwards last night

:12:31. > :12:32.was absolutely brilliant and poignant and serves to remind us

:12:33. > :12:35.all what the I'm off an age where I can

:12:36. > :12:38.remember those terrible scenes on television

:12:39. > :12:41.of what happened in Aberfan. I didn't see the whole

:12:42. > :12:44.of Huw Edwards' documentary but the bits th`t I did

:12:45. > :12:48.see last night I thought were very poignant, as the right

:12:49. > :12:50.honourable gentleman said. And, interestingly, actuallx,

:12:51. > :12:54.what it showed, a game, is that issue of those in power not

:12:55. > :13:00.being willing to step up to the plate, initially, and accept

:13:01. > :13:03.what had actually happened. Jeremy Corbyn moved on to hhs main

:13:04. > :13:06.topic, mental health One in four of us will

:13:07. > :13:12.suffer mental problem. An analysis by the Kings Fund

:13:13. > :13:14.suggest that 40% of our mental health trusts

:13:15. > :13:18.have their budget cut last xear Six trusts have seen

:13:19. > :13:21.their budgets cut three years Is the Prime Minister reallx

:13:22. > :13:26.confident that we are delivering parity of esteem

:13:27. > :13:29.in the mental health? The right honourable gentlelan

:13:30. > :13:32.is right that we are introdtcing mental health in our

:13:33. > :13:36.National Health Service. We have been waiting too

:13:37. > :13:38.long for this. It is important that

:13:39. > :13:41.it is being done. But we are actually investing more

:13:42. > :13:43.in mental health services. An estimated record 11.7 billion,

:13:44. > :13:45.and in particularly, we are increasing the number

:13:46. > :13:49.of children's beds to the hhghest number of children's beds rdlated

:13:50. > :13:54.to mental health problems. Downing Street said that

:13:55. > :13:56.Theresa May had full confidence in her Chancellor,

:13:57. > :13:59.Philip Hammond, after reports he was trying to slow progrdss

:14:00. > :14:01.towards the UK leaving the DU. Some newspapers said colleagues

:14:02. > :14:05.believed that Mr Hammond was attempting to "undermind"

:14:06. > :14:07.the process by delaying The man himself was asked

:14:08. > :14:14.about the newspaper stories and the Government's line that it

:14:15. > :14:17.wouldn't give a running comlentary The Government can't keep

:14:18. > :14:21.this stuff secret for Once it gets into the hands

:14:22. > :14:25.of our counterparts, 27 countries plus the EU,

:14:26. > :14:28.it might as well be I think it would be far mord helpful

:14:29. > :14:34.to this debate if we were able to conduct these internal

:14:35. > :14:37.discussions privately We need space to explore different

:14:38. > :14:46.options, to discuss among otrselves. It's no secret that there

:14:47. > :14:49.are different views about how And we are exploring togethdr how

:14:50. > :14:54.to give the Prime Minister I think your first sentence gives

:14:55. > :15:00.a clear view of your Staying with Brexit,

:15:01. > :15:11.the Romanian Ambassador to the UK has told peers why freedom

:15:12. > :15:14.of movement is so important He said Romanians treasured the idea

:15:15. > :15:18.because of the years Romani` spent When I was a child I couldn't

:15:19. > :15:25.travel in the West The only permission

:15:26. > :15:34.I and my parents had I could travel to Poland,

:15:35. > :15:41.for instance, So we feel much more,

:15:42. > :15:49.this freedom of movement. But the sense of

:15:50. > :15:57.moving freely around the world, working,

:15:58. > :16:02.changing your workplace, evdrywhere. Now to Friday in the Commons,

:16:03. > :16:04.where ministers were accused of trying to hijack plans

:16:05. > :16:06.to introduce a so-called Turing's Law to pardon gay

:16:07. > :16:09.men convicted of now On Thursday, the Government

:16:10. > :16:14.announced plans for thousands of gay and bisexual men convicted of crimes

:16:15. > :16:18.which are no longer on the statute But the next day, the SNP's

:16:19. > :16:24.John Nicolson pressed ahead with his own Private Member's Bill,

:16:25. > :16:26.proposing an automatic pardon How odd would it look

:16:27. > :16:36.for the elderly to be told that they must wait until they die

:16:37. > :16:39.for the automatic pardon which the government now

:16:40. > :16:41.seems to be proposing. Let us finish, Mr Deputy Spdaker,

:16:42. > :16:46.the law reform that we have started, by recognising that the victims

:16:47. > :16:51.of society's prejudices are still They deserve the piece that this

:16:52. > :17:00.bill would bring. Staying with Friday private members

:17:01. > :17:10.bills, a Conservative Meanwhile down the corridor

:17:11. > :17:12.in the House of Lords, peers too were bringing

:17:13. > :17:14.in their own bills. First up the Conservative Lord Elton

:17:15. > :17:17.with his proposals for cutthng He proposed reducing the ovdrall

:17:18. > :17:21.number, but with each group keeping The bill will now go forward to be

:17:22. > :17:25.considered in detail. Staying with Friday's

:17:26. > :17:27.business back in the Commons a Conservative Philip Davies asked

:17:28. > :17:29.an urgent question. He wanted to know what checks

:17:30. > :17:32.were being carried out to m`ke sure child refugees coming

:17:33. > :17:39.from Calais were children. People only have to see the pictures

:17:40. > :17:42.of the so-called child refugees to see that

:17:43. > :17:44.many of them are not childrdn. A large number of my constituents,

:17:45. > :17:46.Mr Speaker, have contacted me to say how angry

:17:47. > :17:50.they are that we are being taken for fools, taken for a ride,

:17:51. > :17:53.and our generosity is being abused. Does the minister not understand

:17:54. > :17:54.that unless action is taken over this,

:17:55. > :17:57.it will do irreparable damage to public confidence

:17:58. > :17:58.in the asylum system? But the minister

:17:59. > :18:00.dismissed the idea of The British Dental Associathon

:18:01. > :18:04.has described it as inaccurate, inappropriate

:18:05. > :18:06.and unethical. The Royal College of

:18:07. > :18:10.Paediatricians said the margin of error can sometimes be as mtch

:18:11. > :18:13.as five years either side of medical And Doctors of the World UK have

:18:14. > :18:17.called the idea unethical and On Thursday, MPs backed

:18:18. > :18:30.a call for the former to be stripped of the knighthood he

:18:31. > :18:35.was awarded for services to retail. The firm collapsed with 11,000

:18:36. > :18:37.jobs lost and a more A damning MPs' report on thd high

:18:38. > :18:42.street chain's failure, published in July, concluded

:18:43. > :18:46.Sir Philip had extracted large sums and left the business

:18:47. > :18:49.on life support. When Sir Philip acquired BHS,

:18:50. > :18:52.it was a relatively prosperous business and it had

:18:53. > :18:56.a pension scheme in surplus. He risk his workers' pensions

:18:57. > :18:59.while he made You can amass a great

:19:00. > :19:06.fortune but in such turbulent market times,

:19:07. > :19:09.you can lose it in a day. And all you are left

:19:10. > :19:13.with is your honour. He took the rings from BHS'

:19:14. > :19:18.fingers, he beat it black and blue, he's starved it

:19:19. > :19:22.of food and water, he put it on my support, and then he wanted credit

:19:23. > :19:33.for keeping it alive. Now, let's take a look

:19:34. > :19:35.at some of the other news from around Westminster,

:19:36. > :19:37.here's Duncan Smith You know you're getting

:19:38. > :19:41.old when peers of the realm Or are they actually

:19:42. > :19:44.getting younger? The youngest -

:19:45. > :19:46.Baroness Bertin - took her seat taking the total number of peers

:19:47. > :19:52.to 814 on our ermine-o-meter. And now it turns out the issue

:19:53. > :20:00.hasn't escaped the interest of the creators of the hit computer

:20:01. > :20:04.game - Football Manager. Players of the 2017 edition

:20:05. > :20:08.will have to grapple with dhfferent Brexit scenarios as part

:20:09. > :20:10.of the game. There could be another

:20:11. > :20:13.referendunm on the horizon as the Scottish Government

:20:14. > :20:16.published its draft bill on a second The potential new runway at

:20:17. > :20:22.Heathrow Airport is a conundrum that could hardly be called

:20:23. > :20:25.a piece of cake. But that's exactly what Amsterdam

:20:26. > :20:30.Airport Schiphol send in every time a decision

:20:31. > :20:33.on Heathrow is delayed. And that wasn't the only

:20:34. > :20:38.cake on offer this week, as no doubt Conservative backbencher

:20:39. > :20:41.Peter Bone found time for a slice with some candlds

:20:42. > :20:44.on for his special day, which even the Prime

:20:45. > :20:47.Minister couldn't ignore I'm very happy to wish him ` very

:20:48. > :20:53.happy birthday today. I hope that Mrs Bone

:20:54. > :20:58.is going to treat the occasion in the appropriate

:20:59. > :21:00.manner and... The number of MPs in Westminster

:21:01. > :21:15.is set to drop from 650 to 600 ahead of the 2020 general election -

:21:16. > :21:17.if the results of Boundary Commission

:21:18. > :21:19.recommendations are accepted. Labour leader Jeremy Corbyn

:21:20. > :21:21.and ex-Chancellor George Osborne are among those whose seats

:21:22. > :21:24.would be abolished. Labour - which is expected

:21:25. > :21:27.to be hardest hit - called the proposals undemocratic,

:21:28. > :21:30.but the Government says thex Plans to slash the number

:21:31. > :21:35.of seats in England, Wales and Northern Ireland have

:21:36. > :21:39.already been outlined - and recommendations for Scotland

:21:40. > :21:43.were published on Thursday, cutting Scottish seats

:21:44. > :21:47.at Westminster from 59 to 53. Political analyst David Cowling

:21:48. > :21:50.gave evidence on Tuesday I asked him how significant

:21:51. > :21:59.the changes were for Scotland. Scotland loses six out of the 5 ,

:22:00. > :22:02.which is reasonably significant of But the big change for them

:22:03. > :22:06.was in the 2005 general election when they went down from about 2

:22:07. > :22:10.MPs to 59 because of the introduction of the

:22:11. > :22:13.Scottish Parliament. So, this is significant but not

:22:14. > :22:15.quite as traumatic as the Now, if we would have

:22:16. > :22:22.had these seats in the 2015 general collection,

:22:23. > :22:26.how different would this parliament Well, again, this has to be based

:22:27. > :22:30.on guesswork but it is generally thought that

:22:31. > :22:32.Labour would be down about 36, for example,

:22:33. > :22:33.as a consequence of these

:22:34. > :22:35.changes, politically. On the basis of the tentative

:22:36. > :22:37.boundaries that we had So, it would have been a case

:22:38. > :22:48.of consolidating the Conservative victory,

:22:49. > :22:49.and the Conservative victorx would have been more signifhcant

:22:50. > :22:51.on these boundaries, compared

:22:52. > :22:53.with what it was in 2015. Labour is unhappy about

:22:54. > :22:55.the proposed changes. Is the Labour Party

:22:56. > :22:59.just being grumpy? I suppose most parties most

:23:00. > :23:04.times have grievances, but I think the issue

:23:05. > :23:06.that is not just limited perennially difficult

:23:07. > :23:10.one is that of course freeze a moment in time when they

:23:11. > :23:14.take the electorate, and thdy say this is the electorate,

:23:15. > :23:17.and this is on what we will base our calculations for sizes

:23:18. > :23:19.of constituency quotas. But of course, they have millions

:23:20. > :23:21.of people who have been added on the register

:23:22. > :23:23.in 2015, and of course more people came on for

:23:24. > :23:34.the European referendum. And the complaint of

:23:35. > :23:36.Labour and some of the other parties is that these people

:23:37. > :23:39.will be missed off those registers and therefore, if they had been

:23:40. > :23:42.on the register, maybe the landscape Now, the Boundary Commission

:23:43. > :23:44.in the past has always tried to stick

:23:45. > :23:46.to traditional boundaries. Is that going to be less

:23:47. > :23:49.the case this time around? Are they going to have

:23:50. > :23:51.to cross more borders? In the past, they were allowed

:23:52. > :23:54.to vary the electorate That gave them a chance to take

:23:55. > :23:59.in rivers and mountains and But now, maths rules everything

:24:00. > :24:04.in this round, and they And, so, there, you've got some

:24:05. > :24:09.real squeals of pain. For example, in Cornwall,

:24:10. > :24:11.of course you have a oppose all to cross a Cornish

:24:12. > :24:14.constituency with a Devon one. The biggest noise since

:24:15. > :24:15.the Monmouth Rebellion The maths is what is

:24:16. > :24:27.motoring most of this, and that is what is c`using

:24:28. > :24:30.a lot of the difficulty bec`use it doesn't allow the

:24:31. > :24:32.commissioners to do much. the point of this was David

:24:33. > :24:36.Cameron's promise to reduce the cost of politics, we are going to lose 50

:24:37. > :24:40.MPs but it was always going to be a slightly hard one to get

:24:41. > :24:42.through whilst we've got a House of Lords which is at

:24:43. > :24:45.800 members and growing. We've got this controlled sxstem,

:24:46. > :24:49.so to speak, in one chamber and no And that has obviously

:24:50. > :24:52.given rise to problems. But also, I think, there

:24:53. > :24:55.was a lot of support given to the reduction of the number of MPs

:24:56. > :24:58.from 615 to 600, generally because But anybody who knows MPs

:24:59. > :25:03.these days, with the complexity of what is happening

:25:04. > :25:05.in their constituencies and the rest of it, they are certainly not

:25:06. > :25:09.the laziest of individuals, in terms It will be interesting

:25:10. > :25:13.to see, as we go forward, the people who rejoiced

:25:14. > :25:16.in the reduction in the number of MPs, whether they are thd same

:25:17. > :25:19.people who start knocking on the doors saying,

:25:20. > :25:22."Why isn't my MP giving me time " Because they've got so much more

:25:23. > :25:25.else to do these days, and now there David Cowling, thank you very much

:25:26. > :25:31.for coming on to the progralme. But do join Joanna Shinn on Monday

:25:32. > :25:38.night at 11pm for a full rotndup of the best of the day

:25:39. > :25:40.here at Westminster. But for now, from me,

:25:41. > :25:45.Alicia McCarthy, goodbye.