:00:19. > :00:23.Tonight This Week goes to the races, as the Queen gets all dressed up
:00:23. > :00:30.for the sport of Kings, the Prime Minister and the coalition dump
:00:30. > :00:35.another pledge in the knackers' yard, nick Ferrari swaps Ascot for
:00:35. > :00:37.a top tip. The Government's U-turn on bins shows us that the political
:00:38. > :00:42.class really don't care about things that matter to us real
:00:42. > :00:48.people. The going's been tough at
:00:48. > :00:56.Westminster for Ed Miliband. How can he avoid being an also ran?
:00:56. > :01:06.Assessing his form, Andrew rapbsly. I have been tapping my contacts to
:01:06. > :01:07.
:01:08. > :01:14.find out whether there's a contract. And when the competition's fierce,
:01:14. > :01:19.how do you keep your nose in front? Superstar rapper Tinchy Stryder
:01:20. > :01:25.rides to our rescue. Only Only one way to reach the top. Think big and
:01:25. > :01:35.be ambitious, that's why I am on This Week.
:01:35. > :01:40.
:01:40. > :01:44.Saddle up, we are under starters Evening all. Welcome to This Week.
:01:44. > :01:48.A thoroughbred stallion among the horses of the Westminster stables.
:01:49. > :01:52.What a week for those of us bubbling with rage about the
:01:52. > :01:58.Olympic ticketing shambles. After the sad news that a certain Mr
:01:58. > :02:01.Michael Portillo had failed to secure tickets to the Greco-Roman
:02:01. > :02:06.wrestling we thought things couldn't get any worse, then it was
:02:06. > :02:15.reported that the Gaddafi regime, currently down in an underground
:02:15. > :02:18.bunker dodging NATO bombs, is in line for hundreds of tickets to all
:02:18. > :02:22.of'Mad Dog''s favourite events. The Government Strang into action, well,
:02:22. > :02:32.sort of squeezed into action, denying we would be seeing the
:02:32. > :02:36.
:02:36. > :02:46.dictators sat in the stands, with a Pepsi, hotdog and foam finger to
:02:46. > :02:50.
:02:50. > :02:55.wave at Dave. According to Downing Street a travel ban would prevent
:02:55. > :02:59.him from attending. Hang on, that implies they expect
:02:59. > :03:03.him to still be in power come next summer. Looks like we won't be in
:03:03. > :03:10.Tripoli next Christmas and Prince Harry will be flying his helicopter
:03:10. > :03:18.over north Africa. No doubt Boujiis will be opening a nightclub in
:03:18. > :03:23.Benghazi. Speaking of those who can't be trusted to get their story
:03:23. > :03:27.straight. Michael, your moment? Labour leader, Ed Miliband, came
:03:27. > :03:32.under a certain amount of pressure over last weekend, criticism and so
:03:32. > :03:36.on and there weren't that many Labour people on television to
:03:36. > :03:41.defend him. But I did notice there was one, and that was Diane Abbott.
:03:41. > :03:45.This was striking to me because over the eight years she was object
:03:45. > :03:48.on this programme you will remember how robustly she used to defend the
:03:48. > :03:52.leadership of the Labour Party week after week, but she was defending.
:03:52. > :03:58.I saw her on television. Apparently the reason is that the thing is a
:03:58. > :04:03.put up job by the Blairites. reason is she's got a job. But it
:04:03. > :04:08.also struck me that we had Alastair Campbell here last week and he is
:04:08. > :04:11.now the biggest donor to the Labour Party. So the alumni of this
:04:11. > :04:14.programme form the backbone of the Ed Miliband campaign. I hadn't
:04:14. > :04:22.thought about it like that, but you could be right. Your moment of the
:04:22. > :04:28.week? My moment was seeing in The Sun, not that I bought it, but
:04:28. > :04:31.seeing what - honest! Seeing what Tony Blair came out and said to Ed
:04:31. > :04:35.Miliband. He said two things, one of which was straightforward, which
:04:35. > :04:39.is that if you are going to have electoral success you have to
:04:39. > :04:43.dominate the centre ground, absolutely. The second was that he
:04:43. > :04:47.was supporting David Cameron's reforms on health and education
:04:47. > :04:52.that the parliamentary Labour Party are battling tooth and nail in the
:04:52. > :04:57.Commons, in the Lords, against so I just thought, it actually made my
:04:57. > :05:01.jaw drop a bit. Tony Blair has been so good at not being a back seat
:05:01. > :05:07.driver and it struck me to choose this particular week and this
:05:07. > :05:13.moment of all moments to come out. Smelling weakness, I suppose.
:05:13. > :05:17.he has a book to sell. If you don't buy The Sun, how did you see it?
:05:17. > :05:23.It's called the internet and it's caught on. It won't last, you know.
:05:23. > :05:29.We will see. Now, some basic rights are worth
:05:29. > :05:33.fighting for. The right to life, the right to liberty, the right to
:05:33. > :05:37.freedom of expression, and, of course, the right to put a curry in
:05:37. > :05:44.the bin and have it collected within seven days.
:05:44. > :05:47.Excuse me? Yeah, that's according to Eric Pickles, the cuddly
:05:47. > :05:53.Communities Secretary briefly said, it's a basic right for every
:05:53. > :05:57.Englishman and woman to put the remanents of their chicken masala
:05:57. > :06:00.in the bin without having to wait a fortnight for it to be collect. I
:06:00. > :06:10.thought there will be many remanents in Mr Pickles household
:06:10. > :06:13.
:06:13. > :06:16.in the bin. This week the Government rode over that plan.
:06:16. > :06:25.Nick Ferrari thinks the political class just doesn't get what really
:06:25. > :06:34.matters to the people who who elected them.
:06:34. > :06:38.# Whistle while you work... This week the Government trashed
:06:38. > :06:44.its pledge to bring back weekly bin collections because they say they
:06:44. > :06:49.didn't have the money. But in the same week they found �280 million a
:06:49. > :06:56.year to recommit to spending on aid to India. Whereas, stopping our
:06:56. > :07:00.bins overflowing with rubbish will cost �100 million.
:07:00. > :07:02.So, that's aid to a country that has its own space programme, its
:07:02. > :07:07.own aid programme to Africa and three times more billionaires than
:07:07. > :07:13.we have here in the UK. Look, I am not against helping out
:07:13. > :07:23.the world's poor, but David Cameron is throwing away tonnes of our
:07:23. > :07:26.
:07:26. > :07:31.money on policies people don't care about and scrapping things they do.
:07:31. > :07:34.When politicians come on my radio show I love it. My listeners, their
:07:34. > :07:38.voters phone in, and the politicians end up talking about
:07:38. > :07:41.scrapped bus routes and unfilled pot holes. That's because these are
:07:41. > :07:51.the things people really care about. They want their bins emptied. They
:07:51. > :07:57.
:07:57. > :08:01.want their children seen in under Politicians don't really get what
:08:01. > :08:06.people want because they don't live in the real world. Hardly any
:08:06. > :08:10.modern day politician has ever done a real job.
:08:10. > :08:15.They come straight out of university, get a job as a
:08:15. > :08:20.researcher for an MP, then a special advisor, and end up as MPs
:08:20. > :08:24.themselves. They become consumed and subsumed by all that's
:08:24. > :08:30.political and politics and they forget the wishes of the people who
:08:30. > :08:34.actually elected them. Politicians turn their noses up at
:08:34. > :08:37.populist policies but what's so wrong with following simple popular
:08:37. > :08:42.policies? Our elected leaders seem to think it's somehow beneath them
:08:42. > :08:48.but we, the pop louse, put them there in the first place. They
:08:48. > :08:54.should remember we could chuck them on the scrap heap. Nick looking
:08:54. > :08:58.rather fetching in his yellow vest picking his way through the pins --
:08:58. > :09:03.bins. Welcome to the programme. Good evening. Michael, do you think
:09:03. > :09:08.that was a load of rubbish? didn't think the first half was
:09:08. > :09:11.rubbish. I think Nick is absolutely right about collections. We
:09:11. > :09:18.absolutely have the right to expect this of our councils. Luckily, I
:09:18. > :09:21.live in a place, Westminster, where stparz -- as far as I know our rich
:09:21. > :09:25.is collected -- our rubbish is collected frequently. That's
:09:25. > :09:29.because you have a lot of rubbish. It's a middle-class district and
:09:29. > :09:32.they produce a lot of rubbish. The idea you have to go two weeks with
:09:32. > :09:37.rubbish is dreadful. I wasn't so much in agreement with Nick about
:09:37. > :09:42.the overseas aid. I mean, a lot of the aid is misdirected, there are
:09:42. > :09:46.problems with it, but it has been a noble ambition to take our country
:09:46. > :09:51.up to a level of generosity and commitment to the rest of humankind.
:09:51. > :09:53.There is something quite important in that and it's a big change for a
:09:53. > :10:03.Conservative-dominated Government, as well. Do you think in general it
:10:03. > :10:05.
:10:05. > :10:12.was a lot of rubbish. programme... Not the programme, his
:10:12. > :10:17.film. I agree with David Cameron on this issue of aid, he said we
:10:17. > :10:22.shouldn't actually make the poorest people in the world suffer as terms
:10:22. > :10:27.of our deficit reduction programme. I don't see why you can't collect
:10:27. > :10:31.your rubbish once a week. Move to Tower Hamlets, we are not a rich
:10:31. > :10:35.borough. Once a week our rubbish is collected. We probably get the
:10:35. > :10:40.plague if it wasn't, but it is done once a week. Maybe the problem with
:10:40. > :10:43.the Government when it comes - it had promised to take the bin
:10:43. > :10:46.collection, people want it, they promised we would get it, but it
:10:46. > :10:49.was going to cost money and this Government ain't got the money.
:10:49. > :10:54.hasn't got the money but that's one of the points in the film, it has
:10:54. > :11:01.the money for vaccination programme. I hear what the two say. I think if
:11:01. > :11:07.you were to get on the Clapham Omnibus or go to that Wandsworth
:11:07. > :11:11.recycling centre, and ask where do you want money spent, on this aid
:11:11. > :11:15.programme - they would say please look after us and that's my central
:11:16. > :11:21.point. It's far more exciting to be on the world stage talking about
:11:21. > :11:25.Obama and Bill Gates than clearing used curry cartons and that's what
:11:25. > :11:28.I believe senior politicians fall for. You would think as a rich
:11:28. > :11:35.nation - put aside the issue of a lot of foreign aid which Michael
:11:35. > :11:39.says many people think is wasted, the specific aid of vaccination for
:11:39. > :11:44.the poorest kids in the world surely shouldn't be in conflict
:11:44. > :11:48.with us getting a rubbish collected once a week? They should not be...
:11:48. > :11:51.One of the richest nations in the world. They're now saying the sums
:11:51. > :11:56.can't add up. One of the great benefits or the way Mr Cameron sold
:11:56. > :11:59.the aid programme is that it's cheaper than wars. Yet, we seem to
:11:59. > :12:03.be in two wars anyway, which seems to be expensive. So he's almost
:12:03. > :12:07.arguing against himself there. I would say perhaps come home and
:12:07. > :12:11.worry about the domestic side. There is a populism that works and
:12:11. > :12:16.one that doesn't. Think of Mrs Thatcher's sale of council houses,
:12:16. > :12:20.that was a popular measure, it worked, Labour adopted the policy.
:12:20. > :12:26.Fox hunting for Mr Blair's Government, which seemed to be
:12:26. > :12:30.popular with some people, and in the end just maybe wasn't worth a
:12:30. > :12:36.candle? Indeed. If you look at the overseas aid thing, it isn't the
:12:36. > :12:42.case that nobody was asking for it. MPs were under a lot of pressure
:12:42. > :12:45.from religious groups, and these people were active in campaigns, so
:12:45. > :12:48.actually I would say a lot of this is due to politicians having
:12:48. > :12:52.listened. In the case of the Conservative Party it was a bid to
:12:52. > :12:58.change the image of the Conservative Party to make people
:12:59. > :13:03.believe the party was no longer long self -- no longer selfish.
:13:03. > :13:06.It's a mute point as to what the cost has been of buying that
:13:06. > :13:09.limited change of image. The other thing is that when we talk about
:13:09. > :13:13.helping the very poorest people, people in the Labour Party that's
:13:13. > :13:16.what we believe, and we believe you should help the poorest people. It
:13:16. > :13:20.becomes complicated in this modern world where the poorest people
:13:20. > :13:25.don't live in the very poorest states. And that's the point.
:13:25. > :13:29.come back to how Andrew introduced it, it's a broken promise. I am
:13:29. > :13:33.sure you remember it and you know when you are out on the stump, the
:13:33. > :13:39.thing you are accused of you don't honour your promises and it's
:13:39. > :13:42.happened again. Eric Pickles, he is like the Daily Mail talisman and he
:13:43. > :13:47.promised that and all the time attacking Labour for broken
:13:47. > :13:50.promises and has just done... think nearly everybody expected the
:13:50. > :13:56.Government to break its promise on overseas aid which is a big promise
:13:56. > :14:00.and to our amaizement through thick and thin they're sticking with it.
:14:00. > :14:04.Politicians like political programmes, we spend most of our
:14:04. > :14:14.time talking about the economy, about debt, the deficit, wars and
:14:14. > :14:15.
:14:15. > :14:20.so on. Don't all politicians need a few populist arrows in their
:14:20. > :14:24.quiver? Absolutely. I remember in the 2005 campaign my office kept
:14:24. > :14:28.saying you have got to say cross rail is rubbish. Nobody wants it
:14:28. > :14:33.here because they're going to build in the area I was like, but it's
:14:33. > :14:38.not rubbish and they were like do you want to get elected or not.
:14:38. > :14:42.Every politician has to be populist to a degree or they will not win a
:14:42. > :14:47.election. The state the country is in at the moment is an accumulation
:14:47. > :14:53.of these populist gestures. The reason we spend more money than we
:14:53. > :15:03.take in in in taxes is we have bowed to pressures. It amuses me
:15:03. > :15:04.
:15:04. > :15:09.when people like the Archbishop of Canterbury attacks. You have to be
:15:09. > :15:12.careful if you want to be populist. Look at the Lib Dems and tuition
:15:12. > :15:15.fees. They thought that was populist going around every
:15:15. > :15:25.university, getting their photograph taken, signing it. That
:15:25. > :15:27.
:15:27. > :15:36.was classic populism and then they What were the odds of that? Most of
:15:36. > :15:39.the polls said there would abhung Parliament. Whoever had that idea?
:15:39. > :15:45.They must have been barking mad to allow that.
:15:45. > :15:48.There is a wider point on populist issues, issues that are genuinely
:15:48. > :15:54.popular with the public, the political elite on the left and the
:15:54. > :15:59.right can't afford to get too far away, be seen to be entirely out of
:15:59. > :16:04.sympathy with certain things that are populist? No. What Nick said in
:16:04. > :16:09.his film does reflect a genuine feeling in the country. Take the
:16:09. > :16:13.old chestnut of capital punishment. We know that the majority of the
:16:13. > :16:20.public wants capital punishment, but Parliament will never give them
:16:20. > :16:23.that, but capital punishment is the obvious thing. I'm not saying give
:16:24. > :16:28.them everything, but you can't afford to deny them everything?
:16:28. > :16:32.There is a gap between what the MPs are prepared to legislate and what
:16:32. > :16:38.the public would like them to legislate.
:16:38. > :16:43.So, is there a populist bone in Ed Miliband's body? I think there is.
:16:43. > :16:49.Look at what he said on Monday about council housing allocation.
:16:49. > :16:54.Not as populist as Ed Balls cutting VAT? That is more populist?
:16:54. > :16:58.Absolutely it is tax cuts coming from the Labour Shadow Chancellor.
:16:58. > :17:04.The populist Ed? That is not a bad thing.
:17:04. > :17:10.Give me a populist policy you would like to introduce Michael? I can't
:17:10. > :17:16.think of one at the moment. You see, you are so far removed!
:17:16. > :17:20.am in the clouds! It would be a council allocation, but actually
:17:20. > :17:23.saying that council housing is available to 20,000 people on the
:17:23. > :17:28.Tower Hamlets waiting list. That would be populist.
:17:28. > :17:33.That would be popular. What about you, Nick? David Cameron
:17:33. > :17:37.to deliver on his pledge of a British Bill of Rights.
:17:37. > :17:44.That would be fantastic. I love it when the politicians meet the
:17:44. > :17:50.public and he got shouted at by a hospital consultant. It always
:17:50. > :17:54.happens. They either have eggs happen -- thrown at them. I quite
:17:55. > :18:02.welcome that. Thank you very much, Nick Ferrari.
:18:02. > :18:07.Now, do you suffer from Fear Of Missing Out? FOMO? Do you wish you
:18:07. > :18:11.didn't, do you even know what the hell I'm talking about? I hope so,
:18:11. > :18:18.I don't. For those of you who decided enough to care it is the
:18:18. > :18:22.latest in idiot speak. Basically, it is Fear Of Missing Out.
:18:22. > :18:29.The looming dread that everyone is everywhere, having the time of
:18:29. > :18:37.their lives and you are not! But worry not, coming up, putting all
:18:37. > :18:40.of your FOMO at rest, starring in the This Week Hood, the one and
:18:41. > :18:48.only Tinchy Stryder. If you really want to talk fear, loathing and
:18:48. > :18:53.bitterness and bile as well, you will feel at home on the viewers'
:18:53. > :19:00.comments on the internet. Which Oona says will be the view of the
:19:00. > :19:02.future. And there is always the stream of
:19:02. > :19:06.conscious drivel, otherwise known as Twitter.
:19:06. > :19:09.After all, you have a lot of time on your hands. Earlier we had a
:19:09. > :19:15.request from the Labour Party. It was more of a plea. Ed Miliband
:19:15. > :19:21.asked us to please, please, please, please, please stop treating his
:19:21. > :19:28.life like some kind of soap opera. To end the creaseless tittle-tattle
:19:28. > :19:33.surrounding him and brother Dave. So, title tat al? That's all we do
:19:33. > :19:37.on this programme! Any way, we can be serious. Here at the BBC we take
:19:37. > :19:42.these complaints seriously. So instead of Ed Miliband, the soap
:19:42. > :19:52.opera, tonight, Andrew Rawnsley presents, Ed Miliband The Mobile
:19:52. > :19:58.
:19:58. > :20:02.phoney Part Deux! -- Ed Miliband The Movie Part Deux! Are you
:20:02. > :20:12.tempted to think, it would have been easier if my brother had won?
:20:12. > :20:33.
:20:33. > :20:38.I never thing that. Being the head of a political
:20:38. > :20:44.family, Ed Miliband is discovering just what a lonely job that is.
:20:44. > :20:50.He was ruthless enough to whack his older brother to become Labour boss
:20:50. > :20:56.of all of the bosses, but as some of us warned at the time, that was
:20:56. > :20:59.actually, the easy bit. His personal poll ratings are poor.
:20:59. > :21:02.Labour's recent election performances have been
:21:02. > :21:08.disappointing in southern England and disastrous in Scotland. Many of
:21:08. > :21:13.the Shadow Cabinet appear to have sworn the code of silence, at any
:21:13. > :21:19.rate, they never have anything interesting to say. So lately the
:21:19. > :21:24.foot soldiers have begun to rumble, as Don Ed Miliband got the stones
:21:24. > :21:28.to take down the coalition, would Labour be letter led with the
:21:28. > :21:32.brother that he sent to sleep with the fishes.
:21:32. > :21:36.David supports my leadership. He made a decision, when I was elected
:21:36. > :21:42.last year, to say he was not to serve for the moment in the Shadow
:21:42. > :21:46.Cabinet. Well, of course, the troubled Don
:21:46. > :21:52.wants to ice all of this beefing about his leadership and he is not
:21:52. > :21:57.wrong to say that voters will ultimately judge him by whether he
:21:57. > :22:02.has inspirational vision and plausible policies, but part of
:22:02. > :22:08.Labour's problem is that they have neither. That leaves the vacuum for
:22:09. > :22:13.thewise guys of the media to bring up the brothers fractured past.
:22:13. > :22:18.Actually, I exaggerate a bit, David is not dead.
:22:18. > :22:22.I am making my position clear. I am taking my kids to school.
:22:22. > :22:28.That speech was about respect. He said that Labour had lost it by
:22:28. > :22:34.being seen as the friend of benefit cheats and wreck last bankers.
:22:34. > :22:38.Don Eduardo was trying to convince us he has what it takes to confront
:22:38. > :22:48.hard trus. Respect, you got to give me more
:22:48. > :22:52.respect! Labour a party founded by hard-working people, for hard-
:22:52. > :22:56.working people was seen, however unfairly as the party of those
:22:56. > :23:01.ripping off our society. So my party must change.
:23:01. > :23:05.He wasn't the only one trying to seize a piece of the bank action.
:23:05. > :23:09.The money man of a rival outfit was also trying to get some juice.
:23:09. > :23:16.I can announce tonight on behalf of you, the British taxpayer, I have
:23:16. > :23:21.decided to put Northern Rock up for sale. Images of the queues outside
:23:21. > :23:26.of Northern Rock branches were a symbol of all that went wrong. Its
:23:26. > :23:31.collapse did great damage to Great Britain's international reputation.
:23:31. > :23:36.We will see if the Chancellor has the mus toll do a proper bank job.
:23:36. > :23:43.So far, the banks have been more successful as squeezing the rest of
:23:43. > :23:51.us. Back to Don Eduardo, who did win back some respect with an
:23:52. > :23:55.improved performance at Prime Minister's Questions.
:23:55. > :24:00.I'm amazed that the Prime Minister does not know about the arguments?
:24:00. > :24:05.Why not. The House of Commons is voting on the bill tonight. He
:24:06. > :24:13.should know about the arguments. Will he now admit that 7,000 cancer
:24:13. > :24:21.patients are losing up to ds -- losing up to �94 are a week. There
:24:21. > :24:27.are proper med kaing tests. -- medical tests. We ensure that those
:24:27. > :24:31.who can work have to go out to work so that we don't award bad
:24:31. > :24:41.behaviour. What a disgrace. To describe
:24:41. > :24:42.
:24:42. > :24:51.talking about cancer patients in this country as a smoke screen.
:24:51. > :24:55.Health has caused months of grief for the boss of the Blue Mob. Turf
:24:55. > :25:04.warfare with the yellow mob. Tory MPs feeling they have been ratted
:25:04. > :25:09.out. Worst of all for Cappo Cameron it
:25:09. > :25:13.added suspicion that the Tories want to shake down the NHS to the
:25:13. > :25:16.benefit of their cronies in the private sector. So he rushed to
:25:16. > :25:21.hospital and claimed that the revised plan had the professionals
:25:21. > :25:27.back on side. You wanted us to make clear that competition is not there
:25:27. > :25:32.for its own sake, but to make life better for patients. Done. You
:25:32. > :25:42.wanted us to get specialists and nurses, not just GPs, on to the
:25:42. > :25:46.
:25:46. > :25:52.commissioning groups. Done. Excuse me I'm the senior consult
:25:52. > :25:57.ant in this department. Why are you here like this? I agree. We have
:25:57. > :26:03.taken our ties off. I'm not having Didn't you just love the look of
:26:03. > :26:12.shock and fear on their faces when that surgeon ruined their photo
:26:12. > :26:20.opportunity. That's what it's like at the top,
:26:20. > :26:30.you just never know who's going to whack you next.
:26:30. > :26:37.
:26:38. > :26:44.Let's go. Oh, scary! But not as scary as that
:26:44. > :26:48.consultant, he was clearly anxious to have his 15 minutes of fame. Any
:26:48. > :26:58.way, Ed Miliband's owe bit wares have been written last week and
:26:58. > :26:58.
:26:58. > :27:02.over the weekend, but then he had a comeback at Prime Minister's
:27:02. > :27:08.Questions? He did do. This is not the first Prime Minister not to
:27:08. > :27:12.know a detail and to have to filibuster, but Ed Miliband's
:27:12. > :27:18.fundamental problem is the split in the Labour Party. It is the age-old
:27:18. > :27:22.war between the brownites and the Blairites. There are -- the
:27:22. > :27:25.Brownites and the Blairites. There are too many people in the Labour
:27:25. > :27:34.Party, who don't want him to succeed.
:27:34. > :27:39.Now, Oona, you voted for him, but you must say that he has to up his
:27:39. > :27:44.game? Over the lifetime of a Parliament, five years, you can
:27:44. > :27:46.have consistent victories at PMQs and it means nothing at all at the
:27:46. > :27:51.general election. As William Hague found to his cost.
:27:51. > :28:00.But William Hague was never to win the next election. He was up
:28:00. > :28:03.against 165 -seat labour majority. But Labour is in striking distance
:28:03. > :28:07.of winning the next election. Absolutely.
:28:07. > :28:15.That is why we think we shall win it, but what Ed showed today is
:28:15. > :28:19.that he used PMQs to do what he needed to do. Heather to dig a hole,
:28:19. > :28:24.which is what he did last week, or to do what he did today and draw a
:28:24. > :28:29.line. They love that. It keeps the sharks at bay. It was like a scene
:28:29. > :28:35.out of Jaws. What he did yesterday was to get back in the boat. His
:28:35. > :28:40.feet are out of the water and he is aif, absolutely safe for now for --
:28:40. > :28:46.and he is safe, absolutely safe for now for seven days.
:28:47. > :28:52.He did get back in the boat, but he looks lonely. Does he have solid
:28:52. > :28:58.support in the Shadow Cabinet? Does he have a strong kitchen Cabinet
:28:58. > :29:03.around him? Well, I know various people that work in his office. I
:29:03. > :29:08.know that many of the Shadow Cabinet team that are there feel
:29:08. > :29:12.that we are in a good position because we feel we could have been
:29:12. > :29:16.in such, in a much worse position. That's the feeling that we have. We
:29:16. > :29:22.think that we can, we are going to be in a position to inflict damage,
:29:22. > :29:27.but you are right, there should be consistency there. It was a really,
:29:27. > :29:31.really huge warning shock last week as it was followed up by a series
:29:31. > :29:34.of events. When you get that flow of events going against you, it was
:29:34. > :29:38.that. But has he got the right people
:29:39. > :29:44.around you? You are asking me if I have confidence in the Shadow
:29:44. > :29:49.Cabinet. Are they rubbish or pretty good. I think that they are pretty
:29:49. > :29:54.good. People like Douglas Alexander. Ed Balls.
:29:54. > :29:57.In a sense, he can't choose that in the Labour Party, the way that a
:29:57. > :30:02.Tory opposition would. I was thinking of having the right people
:30:02. > :30:07.around him. The pret otherian guard that's around him. Some of whom may
:30:07. > :30:14.be the Shadow Cabinet, but others, the Alistair Campbells and the
:30:14. > :30:22.Peter Mandelson's of the Blair era has he that kind of quality around
:30:22. > :30:26.him? Some of them, Around him. But they are there in the mental
:30:26. > :30:30.capacity? He has excellent people working for him, who I have worked
:30:30. > :30:37.for before, who I have ever confidence in. The stuff he did.
:30:37. > :30:41.The speech he did on Monday, the people that helped him that was a
:30:41. > :30:47.skilfully crafted, political... should get the credit for that?
:30:47. > :30:50.not starting to name names here. Why not? I wouldn't, why? Also,
:30:50. > :30:55.there are three people in particular that I know were
:30:55. > :31:02.involved, I have no idea who else was in was involved but what is
:31:02. > :31:07.important is the substance of it, not who wrote which bits. Ed had
:31:08. > :31:10.his hallmark firmly over it. It is about balance. What he is saying
:31:10. > :31:14.about New Labour it got out of balance. We were seen as caring
:31:14. > :31:19.about the people on the bottom, not taking notice of what was happening
:31:19. > :31:29.to the people, the wages at the top end. This speech is about putting
:31:29. > :31:33.
:31:33. > :31:36.How should he deal with the David Miliband problem? Very, very
:31:36. > :31:39.difficult, because as I said a moment ago, I think he's got a lot
:31:39. > :31:43.of people in the Labour Party who don't really want him to succeed
:31:44. > :31:47.and even if David... You really think there's still so embittered
:31:47. > :31:50.by David not getting it they don't want Labour to succeed? I think
:31:50. > :31:55.it's not just about David not getting it, it's also that he is
:31:55. > :31:59.leading the Labour Party to the left, whereas the Blairites believe
:31:59. > :32:04.their fundamental achievement was to move to the Labour Party to the
:32:04. > :32:07.centre ground where it could win elections and as Oona said earlier
:32:07. > :32:11.on the criticism that's coming actually out of Blair's mouth
:32:11. > :32:15.himself, is that what Ed Miliband is now embarked upon is a losing
:32:15. > :32:18.strategy and a losing strategy that destroys, that tears up the
:32:18. > :32:22.achievements of the previous 20 years. The reason I think it's
:32:22. > :32:25.interesting what he is doing is he is trying to move the centre ground
:32:25. > :32:29.to what he was talking about on Monday and that's what a leader has
:32:29. > :32:33.to do. He's got to lead people to change where the centre ground is
:32:33. > :32:39.and that's what Tony Blair did after Margaret Thatcher. Would it
:32:39. > :32:44.be better for Ed and for the Labour Party, in general, if David was
:32:44. > :32:48.back in the shadow cabinet or just get out of politics altogether?
:32:48. > :32:53.definitely don't want to see David get out of politics. I think he is
:32:53. > :32:57.an extraordinary talent. Should he be back in the shadow cabinet?
:32:57. > :33:03.Being completely honest... That would be useful on this sofa!
:33:03. > :33:06.Doesn't happen very often. It will be incredibly difficult for David
:33:06. > :33:11.to be sitting around the table because every time he sneezes
:33:11. > :33:17.there'll be saying Ed has flu. can see that. I would like to see
:33:18. > :33:22.him come back as Prime Minister after, you know. This new biography
:33:22. > :33:27.of Ed Miliband by the two Labour supporting journalists, one of the
:33:27. > :33:31.things they seem to concentrate on, he - it would have been better if
:33:31. > :33:37.he had a more colourful youth, more like the rest of us had. You were
:33:37. > :33:40.at school with him, I mean, he probably be a more vibrant leader
:33:40. > :33:44.if you just led him astray at school. We didn't hang out that
:33:44. > :33:47.much. You were the cool kids. look, he is the one that's going to
:33:47. > :33:50.end up running the country. I say to all kids out there, don't be
:33:50. > :33:53.cool. Be clever. Become Prime Minister. You don't feel some
:33:53. > :33:57.responsibility for this image he has? Not yet, no. You could have
:33:57. > :34:01.saved the day early on. Early intervention. Last time you were on
:34:02. > :34:10.this programme you believed in early intervention. I do believe in
:34:10. > :34:17.early intervention and... I am only teasing you. Monumental climbdown?
:34:17. > :34:22.Yeah, I read the article this morning about Alan Milburn. Former
:34:22. > :34:28.Health Secretary. It wasn't the car crash bit that struck me, it was
:34:28. > :34:32.where he said that the group called Monday store, -- Monitor which is
:34:32. > :34:35.going to drive the direction of the health service now is being told
:34:35. > :34:39.not to look for competition but look for integration and he makes
:34:39. > :34:42.the point, he says in the health service words really matter and
:34:42. > :34:46.what this means now is all the vested interest, all the public
:34:47. > :34:52.sector organisations are going to be defended tooth and nail against
:34:52. > :34:56.incursions by the private sector. I fear that's a correct analysis and,
:34:56. > :34:58.of course, the Government hasn't avoided the National Health Service
:34:58. > :35:01.problem, it's created a different one. The Government is looking to
:35:01. > :35:04.save, as the previous Government was, �20 billion from the health
:35:05. > :35:07.service, you are not going to save it without reform and if you don't
:35:07. > :35:10.save it because you haven't reformed, then you are going to
:35:10. > :35:15.have to find it somewhere else. Thank you.
:35:15. > :35:25.We need to move on. We lack many things here on This Week, as you
:35:25. > :35:26.
:35:26. > :35:30.probably realised, a Blue Nun sew tka syphon, soft loo paper in the
:35:30. > :35:35.men's room, the list is scarrily endless. The one thing we do not
:35:35. > :35:39.lack is a sense of ambition. After all, who else unless they were a
:35:39. > :35:44.few fries short of a happy meal, would allow Michael Portillo to
:35:44. > :35:48.parade his dubious taste in politics and satin shirts live on
:35:49. > :35:53.BBC1 every week? Not many, I would would wager. With this act of
:35:53. > :36:03.charity and indulgence in mind, and with the aid of superstar rapper
:36:03. > :36:06.
:36:07. > :36:10.Tinchy Stryder, we decided to put ambition in This Week's Spotlight.
:36:10. > :36:15.This is Tinchy Stryder, a man who made it big by following his
:36:15. > :36:18.ambition to be a rap star. While some reach for the stars, others
:36:18. > :36:22.fail even to reach for their books. Michael Gove thinks pupils need to
:36:22. > :36:27.have ambitions to achieve academically, as not everyone can
:36:27. > :36:33.be famous. Some people become well known for all the wrong reasons.
:36:33. > :36:37.This Congressman had to resign after revelations in his personal
:36:37. > :36:40.life thawarted his ambitions. For others, aspirations doesn't stop
:36:40. > :36:47.when you achieve success in your chosen field. Bill Gates has turned
:36:47. > :36:57.his attention from computers to saving the world. Sadly, some
:36:57. > :36:58.
:36:58. > :37:04.people's dreams stretch no further than going on This Week.
:37:05. > :37:13.These graphics, I bet Dreamworks is eating its heart out, or Pixar!
:37:13. > :37:16.Welcome to the show, Tinchy Stryder. Are you ambitious. Yeah, I'd say.
:37:16. > :37:20.Was it in you from the start or were you taught to have it? It was
:37:20. > :37:24.in me, at the same time I was taught in a way but when I started
:37:24. > :37:28.I felt I want to do this, I need this. Those different things to
:37:28. > :37:32.drive me but I think ambition comes from the heart and me personally it
:37:32. > :37:36.came from the heart. And did you inherit it? Do you think it came
:37:36. > :37:41.from your parents or was it just in you? I think partly from my parents
:37:41. > :37:44.and people around me, family, friends. But I say it really came
:37:44. > :37:51.from within me. I felt there's things I wanted to achieve and do
:37:51. > :37:54.in life and day by day I always see things that keep me driven. I guess
:37:54. > :37:59.coming up from a good family, a good home there's always people
:37:59. > :38:05.around me feel like you can do this, man so that was driving me. There
:38:05. > :38:11.weren't family or friends or people in the neighbourhood or the
:38:11. > :38:15.teachers saying, no, you can't do that? You are too ambition. In a
:38:15. > :38:18.way say things I wanted to do, people were like maybe that ain't
:38:18. > :38:23.for you, do this or that. I was like this is what I want to do. I
:38:23. > :38:28.guess like you are saying in my area, where I grew up that was like
:38:28. > :38:32.a drive in itself, we didn't have nothing good around us and I wanted
:38:32. > :38:37.to turn it into a positive. The neighbour helped me grow. And it
:38:37. > :38:42.worked. It definitely worked. you ambitious? Sort of, but I would
:38:42. > :38:45.give a different answer. In my case, I think most of my ambition was
:38:45. > :38:49.external. It was really important when I got to school and people
:38:49. > :38:54.were saying you are clever, you can get into a grammar school, you can
:38:54. > :38:57.get into Cambridge University. I don't think I would have - I don't
:38:57. > :39:01.think I would have necessarily assumed those things for myself. I
:39:01. > :39:06.feel sorry for kids who are discouraged from attainment, who
:39:06. > :39:11.are led to believe - who reduced expectations. Are you ambitious?
:39:11. > :39:16.used to be incredibly ambitious as a teenager. But it just got beaten
:39:16. > :39:21.out of me. A decade in parliament definitely did for that. I love
:39:21. > :39:27.where you come from, mainly because I live there now. It's easier now,
:39:27. > :39:31.it's a bit easier but there's... What do you mean? It's become a
:39:31. > :39:36.more prosperous area? In some areas the standard of education -
:39:37. > :39:43.education is a route out for a lot of people, sport is, music is.
:39:43. > :39:47.everybody can be a rap star or a football player or whatever. How do
:39:47. > :39:50.you instill ambition in young people, from the area you were
:39:51. > :39:55.brought up, to think they could be a school teacher, they could be a
:39:55. > :39:57.doctor, they could be a lawyer, they could be in the media? I think
:39:57. > :40:05.personally, from where I have come from, when there's people around
:40:05. > :40:09.you, for example, if you look at me and I grew up and he was doing the
:40:09. > :40:13.same thing we are doing and he is making it. That is a drive to be
:40:13. > :40:18.ambitious. You might want to be a a teacher, a footballer, whatever it
:40:18. > :40:22.is there's always someone you look up to and I guess if you can relate
:40:22. > :40:26.to them more. My example, people think yeah he used to be around
:40:26. > :40:32.here and he is doing this. When you were growing up were the other kids
:40:32. > :40:36.in your area ambitious or were you different in being ambitious?
:40:36. > :40:40.group of friends was all ambitious and we are still tight now. We were
:40:40. > :40:45.friends before music. It feels like that's where the drive is from,
:40:45. > :40:49.everyone is positive around me. They're like you can do this, don't
:40:49. > :40:54.be narrow-minded. Open up and from young I have always had that.
:40:54. > :40:58.you know how ambitious he is, he got a single and named his single
:40:58. > :41:02.Number One before it even entered the charts and it went in as Number
:41:02. > :41:06.One, that's ambitious. He is the first UK artist... New York, New
:41:06. > :41:12.York, that was how it worked. That's a good point about a group
:41:12. > :41:16.of friends. That's played a big part in my life. I have just read
:41:16. > :41:21.Keith Richards autobiography and it's clear that group of Jagger and
:41:21. > :41:25.he and the others together, it's that group dynamic. Peer pressure
:41:25. > :41:28.the other way, especially in Bow, you know, it can be really bad and
:41:28. > :41:32.even today it can be really bad. I speak to young kids, they're in
:41:32. > :41:35.gangs, they're dealing with drugs problems. There are huge issues.
:41:35. > :41:39.They need support and role models and if you can bring that together
:41:39. > :41:43.with a good education system they can get out. You said you used -
:41:44. > :41:48.unlike Tinchy Stryder and myself you two are getting on a bit, does
:41:48. > :41:53.it change with age? I think it depends what you do with your
:41:53. > :41:56.career. For me personally I think I failed in some areas. I think I did
:41:57. > :42:00.OK in others. I realised that I wanted kids, like a lot of women,
:42:00. > :42:04.that was more important to me at the end of the day than spending
:42:04. > :42:09.every hour with someone like you. I am not sure if that's good or
:42:09. > :42:14.bad! It does change with age, doesn't it? You lose an ambitious
:42:14. > :42:21.edge in most things. Yes. entirely. You are so different. You
:42:21. > :42:26.are not the man that I grew up with. That's character. He was ambitious
:42:26. > :42:34.before, he was going to be Prime Minister. Can I have a word on this
:42:34. > :42:40.subject! I don't think so. We are bored with you already.
:42:40. > :42:45.Right, - we will take it that it does change with age. What's your
:42:45. > :42:51.ambition now? Right now I have loads of things. A new album out.
:42:51. > :42:57.have a new album out, my single is out. If I like to think wider now,
:42:57. > :43:00.I like to sell out a world tour. I have had a tour in the UK but to
:43:00. > :43:05.have a world tour that's massive success. Jeremy Paxman asked me to
:43:05. > :43:10.ask you how is your friend Mr Ras kal. He is cool. He is someone
:43:10. > :43:16.growing up, someone that used to inspire me. We were in the same
:43:16. > :43:21.area, he done so much and he is focused. He is cool. Tell
:43:21. > :43:28.everyone... Stop this. What's your ambition now? To sleep through the
:43:28. > :43:32.night without being woken up by my kids and to get Britain to really
:43:32. > :43:37.adopt early intervention, seriously. That's for the country, not for
:43:38. > :43:42.yourself. What's your ambition? go on working and enjoying myself
:43:42. > :43:46.for as far as I can see into the future. You might achieve that. Now,
:43:46. > :43:51.the world is politics is no different from the world of rap
:43:51. > :43:57.music. There are - there are players, see we are soul mates, and
:43:57. > :44:01.there are haters and there are player-haters, I think. Old school
:44:01. > :44:06.rockers such as myself we have always been fans of political rap
:44:06. > :44:09.music and Tinchy Stryder is with us, so don't hate the player, hate the
:44:09. > :44:18.game. With a This Week rap quiz, hit it.
:44:18. > :44:23.OK. Are these rap lyrics genuine or not?
:44:23. > :44:31.Got a bum education, I can't take the train to the station, there's a
:44:31. > :44:35.trick at the station. Not. It's true. Grandmaster Flash. See what I
:44:35. > :44:43.have to live with. He used to be an MP, now he is chilling on This Week,
:44:43. > :44:49.he loves wearing speedoes, along with his libido? Not genuine.
:44:49. > :44:56.That's false. It's definitely false. I wrote these words. OK, what about
:44:56. > :45:02.this? Andrew Lansley tosser, the NHS is not for sale... That's true,
:45:02. > :45:12.I have seen that on YouTube. It's the internet again, that thing.
:45:12. > :45:15.
:45:15. > :45:20.think if that's true, there's a problem. You are right. It's true.
:45:20. > :45:30.He is the man. That's your lot for tonight. But not for us, we have
:45:30. > :45:40.