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:00:00. > :00:12.Tonight, This Week is bewitched by Westminster.

:00:13. > :00:19.Not an enchanting tale, as Culture Secretary Maria Miller is dunked by

:00:20. > :00:21.the press and then forced to resign. The Spectator's Isabel Hardman

:00:22. > :00:30.assesses whether there was any kind of witchhunt.

:00:31. > :00:36.Culture secretary Maria Miller whizzes she could wriggle her nose

:00:37. > :00:39.and cast a spell to make her expenses problems go away. In the

:00:40. > :00:43.end, she disappeared in a puff of smoke. With improving economic news,

:00:44. > :00:46.Chancellor George Osborne wants to conjure up a boom before the next

:00:47. > :00:49.general election. Former Dragon and Businessman with money-making powers

:00:50. > :00:55.Theo Papthetis is a supernatural-confident. Shopkeepers

:00:56. > :00:58.have magic powers. We see things before anyone else. And the Irish

:00:59. > :01:02.President certainly put a spell on us, with a first ever state visit to

:01:03. > :01:04.the United Kingdom. So, what's the magic ingredient that attracts so

:01:05. > :01:12.many people to Britain? Irish comedian Aisling Bea reveals all.

:01:13. > :01:23.Dignity, always dignity. When shall we three meet again? On

:01:24. > :01:27.This Week, of course Evening, all. Welcome to This Week. An historic

:01:28. > :01:31.week, with the first ever official visit of the Irish head of state. At

:01:32. > :01:34.the state banquet, the Queen naturally wore her Crown, while

:01:35. > :01:39.Martin McGuinness looked fetching in his favourite balaclava. It was the

:01:40. > :01:42.week in which a largely unknown cabinet minister's 15 minutes of

:01:43. > :01:45.fame and fortune, let's not forget, ended with her return to obscurity,

:01:46. > :01:51.from which she's unlikely ever to return. I've forgotten her name

:01:52. > :01:54.already. And it was the week in which the divine David Cameron

:01:55. > :01:58.claimed to a Christian group that, by promoting the Big Society, he was

:01:59. > :02:03.merely following in the footsteps of our Lord Jesus Christ and doing

:02:04. > :02:08.God's work here on earth. The fact that he did this to the strains of a

:02:09. > :02:11.soprano singing the hymm Ave Maria only goes to show that religion and

:02:12. > :02:16.irony are not incompatible after all. If there are things that are

:02:17. > :02:25.stopping you from doing more, he told his congregation, think of me

:02:26. > :02:29.as a giant Dyno-Rod. I guess that's the sort of thing you learn in the

:02:30. > :02:32.dormitories of Eton of a night. And for those of you who've forgotten

:02:33. > :02:38.what the Big Society is, it's just like the Big Issue - except nobody

:02:39. > :02:41.buys it. Speaking of those things nobody would buy even at a massive

:02:42. > :02:45.discount, and even if they came with a Miller-sized expense account. I'm

:02:46. > :02:48.joined on the sofa tonight by two men who are celebrating the 20 year

:02:49. > :02:54.anniversary of Britpop and were both big in the 90s. Think of them as the

:02:55. > :02:58.Liam and Noel of late night political chat. I speak, of course,

:02:59. > :03:08.of #manontheleft Alan "AJ" Johnson. And #sadmanonatrain Michael "All

:03:09. > :03:14.Aboard" Portillo. Your moment of the week. I was very pleased that Nigel

:03:15. > :03:21.Evans, the former deputy speaker, long serving of Parliament was

:03:22. > :03:25.cleared of all charges laid against him. His reputation has taken a

:03:26. > :03:29.terrible kicking. He looked like a half broken man. I believe there is

:03:30. > :03:32.more kicking of his reputation to come. I want to put it on the record

:03:33. > :03:38.how much Parliamentary colleagues that I knew, I thought he was one of

:03:39. > :03:42.the most straightforward, loyal, decent, reliable people I ever came

:03:43. > :03:46.across. For that reason, I'm pleased, at least, that he has not

:03:47. > :03:52.suffered the horror of being found guilty of these charges. Not one of

:03:53. > :03:55.the nine, was he found guilty. As a former Home Secretary, I want to

:03:56. > :03:58.talk to you later about what this means for the Crown Prosecution

:03:59. > :04:07.Service. Before we get there, what is yours? The public disclosure act,

:04:08. > :04:12.which introduced protection back in the late 90s, it was not perfect. It

:04:13. > :04:15.was very difficult to know who a whistle-blower would go to to blow

:04:16. > :04:18.their whistle too. There was a number of prescribed people. They

:04:19. > :04:22.could go to the National Audit Office or the ombudsman, but that's

:04:23. > :04:28.a pretty daunting task. From this week they can go to any member of

:04:29. > :04:32.Parliament. Why? Because a member of Parliament, not one of mine, a

:04:33. > :04:36.conservative, David Davies, he slogged through a ten minute Bill,

:04:37. > :04:41.went to the progress of getting Government support, went to talk to

:04:42. > :04:45.the opposition and now it has become a statutory instrument. Practically

:04:46. > :04:49.nobody knows about it. In a week when perhaps the worst side of

:04:50. > :04:52.Parliament has been shown, I think it's a good example of the hard slog

:04:53. > :04:55.of politics that gets you no particular praise, but will have

:04:56. > :05:01.been very beneficial for a lot of people. If you are a whistle-blower,

:05:02. > :05:05.you might be careful which member of Parliament you go to, some are more

:05:06. > :05:09.executive minded than the executive. Everyone else is delighted, Andrew.

:05:10. > :05:14.I'm just putting that warning out there, you can't trust them all.

:05:15. > :05:22.According to the ever humble Maria Miller, in the end she had to go

:05:23. > :05:28.because she'd become a distraction. The Chancellor was miffed that we

:05:29. > :05:34.work to preoccupied with her to notice that the International

:05:35. > :05:38.Monetary Fund. Forecasts had been too pessimistic and they now think

:05:39. > :05:41.they will be the fastest-growing economy in the G7 this year. But

:05:42. > :05:44.given their atrocious record of predictions, is it really time to

:05:45. > :05:50.unscrew a bottle of the blue stuff? But the IMF is not alone in saying

:05:51. > :05:55.this is a more robust recovery than expect it. We turned to the nation's

:05:56. > :05:57.favourite shopkeeper, former Dragon Theo Paphitis. This is his take of

:05:58. > :06:18.the week. As a shopkeeper, icon of all people,

:06:19. > :06:22.recognise the importance of consumer spending. I've been saying it for a

:06:23. > :06:29.while and now, if consumers are spending it shows they have still

:06:30. > :06:33.got confidence the economy. Now, I have been positive all of the way

:06:34. > :06:36.through this recession. Why? Because it is my third one. My only concern

:06:37. > :06:46.is if we can keep interest rates down, preserve employment. The

:06:47. > :06:51.answer, yes, we did. All this talk of the squeezed middle, what a load

:06:52. > :06:53.of political claptrap. You are electioneering. As far as I'm

:06:54. > :07:04.concerned, it doesn't actually exist.

:07:05. > :07:09.The so-called squeezed middle, as far as I am concerned, have not done

:07:10. > :07:12.too bad out of this recession. Mortgage rates have gone down to

:07:13. > :07:16.unprecedented levels, leaving a bigger disposable income. The worst

:07:17. > :07:20.they have had to do is tighten their belts a little bit, miss out on

:07:21. > :07:29.their ski holiday and maybe change the car a little less frequently.

:07:30. > :07:36.So, if the so-called squeezed middle have not paid the price for this

:07:37. > :07:40.recession, who has? Those at the bottom, the poor. They have seen

:07:41. > :07:42.rent go up, their fuel costs go up and, in some cases, their benefits

:07:43. > :07:54.go down. Quite rightly, the Government has

:07:55. > :07:58.tried to bring down our welfare bill. That has come at a cost. The

:07:59. > :08:03.cancer on our society, payday lenders and the rise of food banks.

:08:04. > :08:10.Whilst brilliant, there's no reason they should exist. In my opinion,

:08:11. > :08:11.politicians have stopped focusing on people in the middle, they should

:08:12. > :08:18.focus on people at the bottom. And from the Centre Court Shopping

:08:19. > :08:21.Centre in Wimbledon to our own little shopping centre here in the

:08:22. > :08:29.heart of Westminster. Theo Paphitis, welcome to the show. Now, after the

:08:30. > :08:33.crash, we lost 7% of our GDP, more than we did in the great

:08:34. > :08:38.depression. The economy is still smaller than it was in 2007. Wages

:08:39. > :08:47.have been trailing prices for years. Are you really sure this recession

:08:48. > :08:53.hasn't hurt badly? It certainly has, you probably remember the last two

:08:54. > :08:57.recessions as well. The first two were really painful, unemployment,

:08:58. > :09:00.queues at the dole office, it didn't happen this time. Employment and

:09:01. > :09:06.interest rates were the keys, that made a massive difference. As we

:09:07. > :09:11.have seen, some of the poorest in society have, unfortunately, paid

:09:12. > :09:16.the price. What do you say to that? I would say the middle-income group,

:09:17. > :09:21.the squeezed middle, probably their quality of life has not eroded as

:09:22. > :09:25.much. They have tightened their belts a little bit. So I agree with

:09:26. > :09:31.that. But you can't get away from the fact that wages on average down

:09:32. > :09:35.?1600. The red book on the budget just a few weeks ago said that by

:09:36. > :09:41.the next election wages would be down by 5.6%, real wages. Gas

:09:42. > :09:45.fires, rail fares etc, it has had an effect on everyone. It had an effect

:09:46. > :09:51.on a group of people that are not in the category where you probably

:09:52. > :09:57.wouldn't go to food banks, but they are also not getting the benefit of

:09:58. > :10:06.the decrease in high rate of income tax. In that sense, there is a real

:10:07. > :10:09.problem. Theo? The squeezed middle, what a load of nonsense. It's more

:10:10. > :10:15.like the squeezed bottom! I think I've heard you say that a couple of

:10:16. > :10:19.times. We had food in times when there was excessive everywhere. All

:10:20. > :10:27.they had to do was get rid of some of those excesses. They have

:10:28. > :10:30.relatively remained unscathed. The bottom end have suffered, but the

:10:31. > :10:34.middle have suffered. It's very difficult for the group of people in

:10:35. > :10:38.the middle who have seen an effect on their income, that didn't happen

:10:39. > :10:42.in the previous two recessions, actually. There was not that

:10:43. > :10:47.reduction in real take-home pay. Come on, you are old enough to

:10:48. > :10:55.remember the facts, you don't have too make it up. Let me bring Michael

:10:56. > :11:01.in here, well you recover. I suppose a more modest way of saying what

:11:02. > :11:06.Theo is arguing is that the last six years have hardly been great, but

:11:07. > :11:11.there has not been, for most people, abject misery. Most folk

:11:12. > :11:17.have, with a bit of belt tightening, managed to make ends meet? I think

:11:18. > :11:24.it's very solitary if you go abroad and see what people in Spain and

:11:25. > :11:30.Greece say, Italy, Ireland, where there have been massive adjustments

:11:31. > :11:34.in property prices. I think property prices is at the heart of what Theo

:11:35. > :11:37.is arguing. If you are a property owner, the fact that interest rates

:11:38. > :11:42.have remained so low, for so long, it has been of extraordinary

:11:43. > :11:46.benefit. You would have expected to pay much more for your mortgage. All

:11:47. > :11:51.of this has come at a price, in economic terms. We have not made the

:11:52. > :11:55.adjustment that other countries like Ireland and Spain have made in

:11:56. > :11:58.property prices. We left them very high. This is because the Government

:11:59. > :12:02.didn't want anyone to be repossessed. There have been very

:12:03. > :12:06.few repossessions. But it means we have a credit fuelled recovery, not

:12:07. > :12:12.an exporter fuelled recovery. It means we are in danger of going back

:12:13. > :12:16.into the cycle. Except there is no rise in negative equity, none at

:12:17. > :12:20.all. In fact, negative equity is in decline. Unsecured debt, largely

:12:21. > :12:25.credit card debt, has risen only modestly. I think when you look at

:12:26. > :12:32.the debt figures, there is little evidence to say this is a recovery

:12:33. > :12:37.fuelled by debt. First of all, people in properties feel much

:12:38. > :12:41.richer. I understand that. And their mortgages have gone down, the point

:12:42. > :12:47.you have been making. If you keep interest rates at 1% for six or

:12:48. > :12:51.seven years, you can bet that people, sooner or later, are going

:12:52. > :12:56.to start borrowing again. It's too good a deal. Overall, households are

:12:57. > :13:00.still paying down their debt. It follows from what you said, if you

:13:01. > :13:04.are right. Ed Miliband constantly banging on about the squeezed

:13:05. > :13:06.middle, if you are right, he is saying something that is not

:13:07. > :13:12.resonating? The middle is not squeezed, it won't resonate? They

:13:13. > :13:18.have to concentrate on the realities. It seems like a great

:13:19. > :13:22.thing, if you want to appeal to a wider electorate. That is what we

:13:23. > :13:29.do. The reality is, as far as the middle is concerned, they have had a

:13:30. > :13:32.pretty soft landing. Let's talk about the bottom as well. I

:13:33. > :13:36.understand the point you make about them being squeezed. You also make

:13:37. > :13:41.the point that employment has remained high. That is of immense

:13:42. > :13:44.benefit to people in the bottom. A lot of people that might expect to

:13:45. > :13:57.be unemployed or not. Maybe the squeezed middle, if it has been

:13:58. > :14:01.resonating, will run out of steam? There is a poll in the standard

:14:02. > :14:06.tonight that shows 80% of the public that shows there is an issue, so it

:14:07. > :14:14.does not look like it is running out of steam. Now, a cost of living

:14:15. > :14:20.problem, Labour saying there is a crisis. If you take tax and benefits

:14:21. > :14:29.alone, that average group in the middle has lost around ?980. That

:14:30. > :14:37.figure only works when you include the top 10%. Make the top 10% to

:14:38. > :14:45.come out and then do the average it comes to ?400. Still a squeeze. So

:14:46. > :14:52.Theo, this is all wonderful Abbas Khan I did not say it is all

:14:53. > :14:59.wonderful, I am a realist. You have to accept there is a problem, Theo?

:15:00. > :15:07.The problem came when we went into the deepest recession. You lot went

:15:08. > :15:10.off, the other lot came in and then it is the public who have got to put

:15:11. > :15:18.up with it. Now you're saying oh my God, it was so terrible. Now we were

:15:19. > :15:28.out of the recession by five successive quarters of growth. We

:15:29. > :15:36.were supposed to continue that level of growth. If you look at the state

:15:37. > :15:45.of the French or Italian economies, the Spanish, all of them have shown

:15:46. > :15:53.some growth. The eurozone, the US is growing. Not as fast as the UK

:15:54. > :16:01.economy. That is because it has already grown. Slowest recovery from

:16:02. > :16:11.any American recession in history. And the same in Britain, also.

:16:12. > :16:18.Things seem to have changed. I think anybody accepts there is a recovery

:16:19. > :16:21.underway. Labour is slightly ahead in the polls, inflation is falling,

:16:22. > :16:26.unemployment is falling, living standards are starting to rise

:16:27. > :16:33.again. This is not the economic backdrop Labour thought it would he

:16:34. > :16:37.fighting the election on? I think anyone who is analysing this would

:16:38. > :16:46.have expected us to make a recovery by the 2015 election. Probably not

:16:47. > :16:56.as strong as it has turned out to be? Michael's point, that it is

:16:57. > :17:07.based on easy credit. It is not. Once those interest rates go up, as

:17:08. > :17:15.they inevitably will. The man in Weston-super-Mare will start feeling

:17:16. > :17:20.things are getting better. A year ago, Labour said there was no

:17:21. > :17:28.recovery and the government have two change its strategy. But the IMF has

:17:29. > :17:38.admitted it was wrong. I don't think anybody could count on this recovery

:17:39. > :17:43.a year ago. Just over a year ago, a feeling had set in that the recovery

:17:44. > :17:50.was so slow, we wondered if it was going to come back. We now

:17:51. > :17:53.absolutely take for granted the recovery, but we also forget that

:17:54. > :18:02.until recently we did not count on it at all. Surely the point that

:18:03. > :18:09.still resonates, when it comes to 2015, for most people, they will

:18:10. > :18:13.still not be as well off. They will be less well off in 2015 than they

:18:14. > :18:20.were when this coalition come to power? A lot of people expected a

:18:21. > :18:27.lot, a lot worse with the recession than it turned out. In some ways

:18:28. > :18:31.they will feel very relieved. CEO won't be the only person in the

:18:32. > :18:37.world to remember who was in power when the recession began. It is too

:18:38. > :18:43.difficult question for this time of night.

:18:44. > :18:46.Now it's late. "Chief Whip, Sir George Young, knocking on Maria

:18:47. > :18:50.Miller's door with a pearl-handled revolver" late. But unlike Maria,

:18:51. > :18:54.Blue Nun passes the smell test... Sort of. So hold your nose and pour

:18:55. > :18:57.yourself another. Because waiting in the wings is Irish actor and

:18:58. > :19:09.comedian, Aisling Bea, to talk about the visit of the Irish President and

:19:10. > :19:12.the attraction of coming to Britain. And if you have any moral

:19:13. > :19:16.superiority left in you after the sorry saga of Ms Miller, feel free

:19:17. > :19:19.to vent your synthetic outrage at us on The Twitter, The Fleecebook and

:19:20. > :19:24.the Interweb. It's not as if we actually bother reading any of your

:19:25. > :19:31.comments - so fill your boots. Now. MPs head off on their Easter

:19:32. > :19:34.holidays next week and so do we! For me, it's a two-week

:19:35. > :19:36.all-expenses-paid holiday at an exclusive resort Down Under with

:19:37. > :19:38.Wills and Kate! For Michael and Alan, it's an

:19:39. > :19:41.all-paid-for-by-expenses stay in a pokey flat in Basingstoke

:19:42. > :19:47.masquerading as a family home with Maria Miller! Sorry guys, she's

:19:48. > :19:51.really not suffered enough. So to get us all in the mood for Easter,

:19:52. > :19:54.we sent the Spectator's Isabel Hardman to learn from one of

:19:55. > :19:58.London's top chocolatiers William Curley. Here's her EGG-cellent

:19:59. > :20:16.round-up of the week. See what I did there? Who writes this stuff?!

:20:17. > :20:20.Hello. I am busy preparing Easter treats for the This Week team.

:20:21. > :20:27.Making chocolate takes a long time, longer than 32 seconds. If you are

:20:28. > :20:31.not careful you could end up like our politicians with a bit of a

:20:32. > :20:47.sticky mess. Sorry, Chef! On Monday, the Prime Minister

:20:48. > :20:54.started with a trip to the supermarket. Not his favourite one,

:20:55. > :21:01.he is a Waitrose kind of guy. But as they had an Easter off on, get

:21:02. > :21:07.thousand of jobs for free. But the journalists had something else on

:21:08. > :21:11.their minds. Maria Miller is in her job because she is doing a good job

:21:12. > :21:14.as Culture Secretary. She went through this process and the

:21:15. > :21:20.committee found she had made a mistake in her mortgage claim so she

:21:21. > :21:28.repaid money, made an apology. I think that is the right thing to do.

:21:29. > :21:34.Come on Isabel, let's move it. But Downing Street melted faster than a

:21:35. > :21:39.chocolate teapot and failed to sell the tie any support the Maria

:21:40. > :21:44.Miller. And Esther McVey were given free rein to criticise Maria Miller.

:21:45. > :21:47.It is at times like this is a minister needs his or her bag

:21:48. > :21:52.carrier to step up to the plate for them. I'd do think this is a

:21:53. > :21:58.witchhunt by the media, who are angry about the leather some

:21:59. > :22:05.reports, equal marriage and they are taking it out on Maria. Many in the

:22:06. > :22:14.Conservative Party thought it was her clumsy text messages that did

:22:15. > :22:16.the Maria Miller. She tried to sweeten her constituents by penning

:22:17. > :22:21.an emotional piece for her Basingstoke local newspaper. Perhaps

:22:22. > :22:24.if she had written this on the day she spoke in the Commons, she could

:22:25. > :22:32.have support -- survived. Support was like gold dust. It is a question

:22:33. > :22:37.of honour. She should quietly have gone to the Prime Minister and said,

:22:38. > :22:42.I think I should go. And the Prime Minister should have said, yes,

:22:43. > :22:48.thank you for doing a good job, you can come back at some time later.

:22:49. > :22:53.Honour is saved at all that, I am out raged about it. Even so, most of

:22:54. > :22:58.us thought she would try to stick it out until Wednesday when

:22:59. > :23:03.Conservative backbenchers meet at the committee. As journalists were

:23:04. > :23:08.sharpening pencils in anticipation when Mrs Miller decided to take an

:23:09. > :23:13.early Easter break. I hoped that I could stay but it has become clear

:23:14. > :23:17.to me over the last few days this has become an enormous destruction

:23:18. > :23:25.and it is not right I am distracting from the incredible achievements of

:23:26. > :23:30.this government. -- enormous destruction. Was she pushed, Ord did

:23:31. > :23:37.she jump? Number ten has shut down all

:23:38. > :23:41.discussion repeatedly saying it was Maria Miller's decision to go. It

:23:42. > :23:50.sounds like she did get a visit from someone and it probably wasn't the

:23:51. > :23:55.Easter Bunny. What really did for Maria Miller was a mix of backbench

:23:56. > :23:59.fear of the public backlash, a lack of warmth from senior colleagues and

:24:00. > :24:02.the Chancellor's allies were furious that this news about the economy was

:24:03. > :24:13.lost in the mix about the ongoing Maria Miller model.

:24:14. > :24:23.What have we got here? Oh dear. It's not up to standard. The Minister has

:24:24. > :24:27.dominated the agenda. Labour's pledge to give English councils ?20

:24:28. > :24:36.billion disappear faster than 32 second apology. So a PMQs, Ed seized

:24:37. > :24:39.his opportunity. He said six days ago she had done the right thing and

:24:40. > :24:45.should leave it up that. Does he realise it is a terrible error of

:24:46. > :24:54.judgement? Why didn't he call on her to resign? He seems to be the first

:24:55. > :24:57.leader of the opposition in history to come to this house and make the

:24:58. > :25:02.first suggestion someone should resign, after they have already

:25:03. > :25:07.resigned. I have heard everything! It is my job to fire members of his

:25:08. > :25:12.cabinet. In opposition, David Cameron prided himself on his

:25:13. > :25:17.finesse in judging the public opinion. But he has misjudged the

:25:18. > :25:22.public mood now and many Tory MPs are worried it has left them looking

:25:23. > :25:29.vulnerable before the European elections. Still, there is one bit

:25:30. > :25:39.of politics guaranteed to leave you with the sweet taste, and a sugar

:25:40. > :25:48.high. Andrew, this is for you. Michael, what did you make of the

:25:49. > :25:52.shambles? One of the biggest shambles I have ever witnessed in

:25:53. > :25:58.British politics? Because? Unnecessary? David Cameron had

:25:59. > :26:03.decided his government was going to be whiter than white. Maria Miller

:26:04. > :26:09.had been forced to make an apology to the House of Commons for being

:26:10. > :26:14.uncooperative with the investigating authority. Any Secretary of State

:26:15. > :26:17.who found people were being uncooperative with her or with him

:26:18. > :26:21.would be outraged. I don't see how you can have a member of the cabinet

:26:22. > :26:26.apologising to the house who had been uncooperative with the

:26:27. > :26:31.authorities. That was a sack of all offence in itself. I think David

:26:32. > :26:36.Cameron should have said, I told you things were going to be different

:26:37. > :26:43.under me, I don't think she has done anything wrong, but she did not

:26:44. > :26:46.cooperate, so she has gone. He would have saved himself a week of

:26:47. > :26:53.terrible publicity. And he was worried that she must not be hounded

:26:54. > :26:59.out by the newspapers. But what he achieved is that she has been

:27:00. > :27:04.hounded out. If she had gone before the first began, that implication

:27:05. > :27:09.would not have been carried. I suppose what happened was, he got

:27:10. > :27:13.distracted by the thought she was going to be bullied and Harry ride

:27:14. > :27:18.the Daily Mail, the Daily Telegraph and the other unhappy newspapers.

:27:19. > :27:26.But that should not have clouded his judgement. The point to focus on is

:27:27. > :27:31.she had done something not come -- compatible with her position as

:27:32. > :27:36.Cabinet minister. David Cameron is not the first to do this, spend so

:27:37. > :27:38.much political capital on a relatively obscure politician, that

:27:39. > :27:45.no one had really heard of in the country. Was regarded by many people

:27:46. > :27:53.as not very good at her job in the first place. Yet he is out on a

:27:54. > :27:58.limb. Why does that happen? Not exactly a household name before This

:27:59. > :28:04.Week. She sure is now! David Cameron does seem to have a little bit of a

:28:05. > :28:12.fetish of this idea of personal loyalty. We saw this also with Andy

:28:13. > :28:17.Coulson. It is as if he sees it as his own code of honour. Which in

:28:18. > :28:20.theory is not a bad thing? In the right circumstances it can be an

:28:21. > :28:29.admirable quality. But as Michael said, if you know what you might end

:28:30. > :28:33.up having to do, do it quickly because a week of these front pages

:28:34. > :28:39.has been bad for the Prime Minister. Do you think the political class in

:28:40. > :28:46.general forgot how bad this is? No, Betty Boothroyd had it right. Nobody

:28:47. > :28:52.was expect a Maria Miller to get away with this. When David Cameron

:28:53. > :28:58.was in opposition, a lot of decent Tories went, he sacked them in

:28:59. > :29:07.opposition. He said it was wrong. There was no way her house in

:29:08. > :29:11.Wimbledon, in which her husband, her children and parents lived was her

:29:12. > :29:14.second home. It starts from that ASIC points and builds from there.

:29:15. > :29:18.The frustration for politicians on all sides who were tearing their

:29:19. > :29:22.hair out last week because she was still there, people seem to think

:29:23. > :29:29.that is still the system. This system has changed completely. If it

:29:30. > :29:33.happened now it would be an independent person dealing with it.

:29:34. > :29:40.Maria Millie was only dealt with under that process because it was a

:29:41. > :29:43.legacy before 2010. I read articles from a usually very informed

:29:44. > :29:52.journalist that seem to have missed that point. David Cameron back to an

:29:53. > :29:58.events and nobody to defend her until it was too late? It was the

:29:59. > :30:03.wrong wicket to be batting on. Just to dwell on hard strawberry this has

:30:04. > :30:10.all been, as you pointed out, we had this fantastic economic news,

:30:11. > :30:15.completely lost. The beginning of the European elections, completely

:30:16. > :30:18.drowned out. In one year's time, we will be in a general election

:30:19. > :30:21.campaign. To have a Government associated with the sleaze of MP

:30:22. > :30:27.expenses, one year before the election, it is a calamitous

:30:28. > :30:34.outcome. So easily avoided. Do you think there was an element of a

:30:35. > :30:41.witchhunt in this by the papers? Many people are saying it. I don't

:30:42. > :30:45.know anybody in the newspapers who thought that Maria Miller was a

:30:46. > :30:55.formative figure in the Leveson process. She just happen to have the

:30:56. > :30:58.portfolio. It was Oliver Letwin, the Prime Minister. Nobody thinks she

:30:59. > :31:05.was important, so I doubt see why the papers would have created a

:31:06. > :31:08.witchhunt. Your point of David Cameron expending so much political

:31:09. > :31:17.capital, it would be odd for the papers to blend -- rent their spleen

:31:18. > :31:24.on this. On gay marriage as well, she wasn't the influence. It was the

:31:25. > :31:28.Prime Minister will who forced this. Are you not surprised, as I was

:31:29. > :31:35.surprised, that the Prime Minister did not replace Miss Miller with one

:31:36. > :31:39.of the number of rather, just as there are on the Labour side, the

:31:40. > :31:44.number of rather bright young Tory women? I was surprised, but I do

:31:45. > :31:52.think that the new Secretary of State for culture is very

:31:53. > :31:58.interesting. He is of Pakistani origin, working class background,

:31:59. > :32:03.completely self-made. So he's a really interesting appointment.

:32:04. > :32:06.Esther McVey would have been interesting. Pretty Patel, who

:32:07. > :32:13.happens to be a woman and an ethnic minority. Absolutely. What he has

:32:14. > :32:17.ended up with is a cabinet with the proportion of women in it going down

:32:18. > :32:22.all of the time. When he came into Government he promised to have 40%

:32:23. > :32:27.of his ministerial team female. We have half the percentage of women in

:32:28. > :32:34.our cabinet that Rwanda has, less than half. Rwanda! If you were

:32:35. > :32:43.inventing a parliament, as they did in Rwanda, you presumably were...

:32:44. > :32:52.That is what they are dealing with. Francois Hollande has 52%.

:32:53. > :32:57.Absolutely. This point of giving the women's Minister position to

:32:58. > :33:02.somebody who is not a full member of cabinet and reporting to a man,

:33:03. > :33:08.extremely unhealthy. There is not a mother, does that matter? I think it

:33:09. > :33:11.does, being one myself, I know that women's lives change radically when

:33:12. > :33:16.they become mothers. You look at things slightly differently. You

:33:17. > :33:20.care about things differently as well? Your economic circumstances

:33:21. > :33:22.change completely, if you don't have people who understand that

:33:23. > :33:30.experience, you will have lined spot on policy. On gay marriage, he has

:33:31. > :33:35.managed to appoint a woman responsible for women's issues who

:33:36. > :33:39.voted against gay marriage, so people are now saying she is

:33:40. > :33:43.Minister for heterosexual women. Final thought, Michael? I think

:33:44. > :33:47.there has to be a reshuffle because I think we do need to have more

:33:48. > :33:52.women and more ethnic minorities. The real issue is who is in the

:33:53. > :33:56.inner circle. The cabinet is in public display, but the people

:33:57. > :33:59.really calling the shots are a small group close to the Prime Minister,

:34:00. > :34:05.some of whom are in parliament and some of whom are not. I'm very few

:34:06. > :34:22.of whom are women. They don't let girls into Eton! Dick Whittington

:34:23. > :34:25.found that the streets of London were not paved with gold. Whilst

:34:26. > :34:28.Maria Miller found that the streets of Wimbledon most certainly were -

:34:29. > :34:32.to the tune of over ?1 million, minus capital gains tax - if she

:34:33. > :34:36.ever gets round to paying it. So, with such riches to be made from so

:34:37. > :34:40.little effort, is it any wonder people from around the world want to

:34:41. > :34:43.come, and live, and claim expenses in Perfidious Albion? And so, on the

:34:44. > :34:45.day when those annoying fact-checkers at the Office for

:34:46. > :34:48.National Statistics revealed we've underestimated the number of recent

:34:49. > :34:51.migrants by at least 350,000, we've decided to ponder why people bother

:34:52. > :35:03.and put "Coming to Britain" in this week's Spotlight.

:35:04. > :35:11.Once upon a time, the headliner Martin McGuinness toasts the Queen

:35:12. > :35:13.would have shocking connotations. But the former IRA man showed times

:35:14. > :35:19.have changed for the better at Windsor Castle this week. The

:35:20. > :35:23.banquet was in honour of Michael D Higgins, the first-ever state visit

:35:24. > :35:30.by an Irish President, who spoke of friendship, shared history, but not

:35:31. > :35:34.forgetting our troubled past. The intertwined histories of Ireland and

:35:35. > :35:37.Britain have indeed no great turbulence. But we meet at a time

:35:38. > :35:45.when the relationship between hers has never been more friendly or

:35:46. > :35:49.respectful. So, what have his charm and stature done for Anglo-Irish

:35:50. > :35:53.relations? For a start, it shows Irish visitors no longer labour

:35:54. > :35:58.under the impression they are not welcome at the top table. Foreigners

:35:59. > :36:02.come to Britain for lots of reasons. One MP is determined to find out

:36:03. > :36:09.why, living undercover as a migrant, trying to understand why so many

:36:10. > :36:14.young Poles want to move to Britain. If only he had asked the

:36:15. > :36:18.Education Secretary. He told cabinet that people come here for a variety

:36:19. > :36:24.of attractions, one of them being, and I quote, loads of hot sex.

:36:25. > :36:29.# It's getting hot in here, to take off all your clothes... #

:36:30. > :36:35.So, what makes our fair isle so attractive? In a week when Ireland

:36:36. > :36:39.and Britain moved closer together, are people more ready to put the

:36:40. > :36:43.past behind them in search of a brighter future?

:36:44. > :36:58.How about that? How important was it to see the head of state of Ireland

:36:59. > :37:06.sitting down at a state banquet? Hugely important. Odd balaclava

:37:07. > :37:09.jokes aside, it was an amazing thing to see. I moved to win in seven

:37:10. > :37:17.years ago. If you had told me then they would be hanging tricolours

:37:18. > :37:20.alongside union Jacks on the road to Buckingham Palace, you would have

:37:21. > :37:26.laughed your head off. To see them now, as someone who lives here, it

:37:27. > :37:31.is sort of a beautiful thing. Going back to the balaclava, even more

:37:32. > :37:37.remarkable was Martin McGuinness? It really was. There was a lot of

:37:38. > :37:40.controversy about it, obviously. But it is sort of a testament to

:37:41. > :37:44.humanity that can happen. It is sort of one of those things where you go,

:37:45. > :37:48.God, we are not robots, we are humans and we get over things. If

:37:49. > :37:53.you put anger aside, the amount that can be achieved in such a short

:37:54. > :37:59.amount of time is remarkable and a testament to human people. To

:38:00. > :38:05.humans, rather. The lead up to what happened, the huge success of this

:38:06. > :38:09.week, it can go back to the Queen's visit to Ireland three years ago,

:38:10. > :38:15.which laid the groundwork for this? Absolutely. Even in the week in the

:38:16. > :38:20.lead up to that, people were still naysaying. Report of a bomb on a bus

:38:21. > :38:27.from Dublin, quite serious threats. As soon as she stepped off the

:38:28. > :38:33.plane, in a green outfit, spoke a bit of Gaelic, everybody went, oh,

:38:34. > :38:40.she's lovely, just like your old mother, just like your mother. How

:38:41. > :38:51.popular William and Kate are as well, that has filtered into

:38:52. > :38:54.everybody's psyche. The Queen's magnanimity in this is exceptional.

:38:55. > :38:57.I think she has played more of a political role on Ireland than she

:38:58. > :39:02.has ever played on any other subject. Her willingness to go to

:39:03. > :39:08.Ireland, lay a wreath, her willingness to have Martin

:39:09. > :39:11.McGuinness in Buckingham Palace, remembering the assassination of

:39:12. > :39:17.Lord Mountbatten by the IRA, this is an extraordinarily personal mission

:39:18. > :39:20.the Queen has undertaken, without parallel and without precedent. One

:39:21. > :39:24.of the consequences has been, as the Prime Minister claimed this week,

:39:25. > :39:27.and I think he was right too, that Anglo-Irish relations have been good

:39:28. > :39:34.for some time now. But they have never been better? No. I think in

:39:35. > :39:39.terms of what Her Majesty did, what Martin McGuinness did was hugely

:39:40. > :39:45.brave. It's no good celebrating what has happened in Northern Ireland. I

:39:46. > :39:49.used to represent members killed on duty, 16 of them assassinated during

:39:50. > :39:52.the troubles, I was always over there as a union official. You can't

:39:53. > :39:59.celebrate that and failed to recognise the courage it took from

:40:00. > :40:02.people on all sides. I think that is an aspect of it. It would have been

:40:03. > :40:06.easy for him to play to the gallery and say, I'm not going to go. It

:40:07. > :40:10.doesn't make him any less of a Republican that he's gone to the

:40:11. > :40:20.Palace. He has taken his responsibilities seriously and that

:40:21. > :40:23.is remarkably brave. I think in politics you really respect people

:40:24. > :40:27.that aren't looking for glory or the vote, genuinely looking for change.

:40:28. > :40:31.I think that is what all of this is. What was really appreciated, the

:40:32. > :40:34.symbolism was so huge, especially with the tensions. When the Queen

:40:35. > :40:38.came over three years ago, and she doesn't normally speak the language

:40:39. > :40:43.of the place she visits, she arrived and spoke a little line of Gaelic,

:40:44. > :40:47.of Irish, at the start of a meal that they were having. It was so

:40:48. > :40:52.huge to hear the Queen of England speak a line. A tiny bit of

:40:53. > :40:57.symbolism that makes a huge difference. Martin McGuinness, he is

:40:58. > :41:01.bowing his head, but he's not... There was a slight gesture there.

:41:02. > :41:07.For her, to welcome him, when her family had been affected. What we

:41:08. > :41:11.had on Spotlight is why people want to come to Britain. I wonder why,

:41:12. > :41:16.for most people, it is not so much Britain they want to come to, it is

:41:17. > :41:20.London? London is a beautiful city, I have been living here for seven

:41:21. > :41:25.years and I love it. Why did you come here? To steal your jobs. I

:41:26. > :41:30.moved over here to go to drama school. I moved over here seven

:41:31. > :41:35.years ago, before the crash in the economy. I sort of moved over here

:41:36. > :41:38.out of choice and opportunity rather than necessity, which is a nicer

:41:39. > :41:43.reason to move anywhere. When I moved here, I was immediately

:41:44. > :41:47.involved in the community, the artistic community. I have always

:41:48. > :41:57.felt a familiar tie to London. I feel part of it. There are very few

:41:58. > :42:03.Cockney geezers left in London. Where you come here, you sort of

:42:04. > :42:07.become a Londoner. If you move to Dublin, you will never become a

:42:08. > :42:14.Dubliner. Have the natives been friendly? I haven't talked to many

:42:15. > :42:23.of them, I haven't been able to go out in these tropical climes. Some

:42:24. > :42:27.of my best friends are you people! These aren't Londoners, these

:42:28. > :42:32.Scotsmen and... I can't tell difference. There is a huge Irish

:42:33. > :42:37.community in London. It does amazingly well. There is the Irish

:42:38. > :42:42.Centre in Camden, which doesn't just look after... We run the London

:42:43. > :42:46.Irish comedy Festival, it doesn't just look after the elderly people,

:42:47. > :42:51.it also looks after the vulnerable young people that come over on

:42:52. > :42:59.Ryanair, expecting everything to be amazing. To quit hint? There is a

:43:00. > :43:07.support system? You are happy to be here? -- Dick Whittington. The And

:43:08. > :43:15.there is also loads of hot sex. That is the real reason you came? I can

:43:16. > :43:22.confirm the reports. That is your lot for tonight, but not for us. It

:43:23. > :43:26.is the smell test, and Michael is wearing his Teen Spirit, just for

:43:27. > :43:30.the occasion. We leave you tonight with the increasingly gorgeous

:43:31. > :43:33.George. Windsor, that is, not Galloway. He already looks like he

:43:34. > :43:38.has a way with the girls. Good night, don't let the return of cool

:43:39. > :43:41.Royal Britannia bite.