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:00:14. > :00:19.Tonight on This Week, as Jack Bauer and 24 returns to our screens, and

:00:20. > :00:29.hits the streets of London, this may be the longest night of your life.

:00:30. > :00:36.The political clock is ticking. It's only 363 days until the general

:00:37. > :00:40.election. Can Agent Ed Miliband follow protocol and secure victory

:00:41. > :00:43.at the polls? Blairite journalist and and former trade union official

:00:44. > :00:55.Dan Hodges thinks time is running out fast for the Labour leader. Ed

:00:56. > :00:57.Miliband is no action hero. And to be honest, I can't see him being

:00:58. > :01:00.Prime Minister either. When it comes to the proposed

:01:01. > :01:04.takeover of AstraZeneca by US rival Pfizer, the Prime Minister and Ed

:01:05. > :01:07.Miliband clash over whether the ends justify the means. BBC political

:01:08. > :01:15.operative James Landale is on the mean streets of Westminster. This

:01:16. > :01:20.issue goes to the heart of the debate that is dominating politics.

:01:21. > :01:24.Ed Miliband wants to be the man who is taking on the predators for the

:01:25. > :01:26.people. David Cameron wants to be the man who is bringing business and

:01:27. > :01:29.jobs to Britain. And a terror plot that's far from

:01:30. > :01:32.fictional, almost 300 girls kidnapped in Nigeria by Islamist

:01:33. > :01:36.militants scared of girls being educated. Comic, writer and

:01:37. > :01:49.campaigner Ruby Wax talks intellectual confidence. And some

:01:50. > :01:54.people have more confidence than intellect. I'm not naming names,

:01:55. > :01:58.Andrew. Copy that. I'm Federal Agent Andrew Neil. You

:01:59. > :02:00.are gonna tell me what I wanna know. It's just a matter of how much you

:02:01. > :02:15.want it to hurt. Evenin' all. Welcome to a special

:02:16. > :02:18.halal edition of This Week, where being ritually slaughtered on Blue

:02:19. > :02:22.Nun is always clearly stated on the menu. Differentiation is the name of

:02:23. > :02:26.the game this week, with self-styled Deputy PM Nick Clegg deciding to

:02:27. > :02:32.oppose a Tory plan to jail automatically anyone convicted twice

:02:33. > :02:35.for carrying a knife. Cleggover dismisses the two-stabs-and-your-out

:02:36. > :02:43.policy as a headline-grabbing stunt, which makes it a first in British

:02:44. > :02:46.politics. Not! But it raises an intriguing philosophical question.

:02:47. > :02:49.Given David Cameron fought the last election promising to "send a

:02:50. > :02:51.serious, unambiguous message" by automatically jailing anyone

:02:52. > :02:55.convicted only once for carrying a knife, can the Lib Dems really be

:02:56. > :03:03.criticised for opposing a policy Call-Me-Dave deemed inadequate at

:03:04. > :03:07.the last election? Can they? I'll leave you to ponder and get back to

:03:08. > :03:10.me. Speaking of existential conundrums that make your head

:03:11. > :03:13.explode, I'm joined on the sofa tonight by two strategic assets the

:03:14. > :03:16.Americans would love to get their hands on. Think of them as the

:03:17. > :03:20.AstraZenica and Louisiana Purchase of late night political chat. I

:03:21. > :03:32.speak, of course, of #sadmanonatrain Michael Portillo and #baffled Diane

:03:33. > :03:38.Abbott. Welcome, both. Your moment, Michael. Very sadly the ill-health

:03:39. > :03:42.of Chris Patten means there has been a new chairman of the BBC Trust. I

:03:43. > :03:46.have always supported the licence fee but have recently come to the

:03:47. > :03:50.conclusion that it can no longer be justified in terms of competition,

:03:51. > :03:54.apart from anything else. You now have so many outlets and platforms

:03:55. > :03:58.in the media that have one, the BBC, with all of its programming and its

:03:59. > :04:02.website funded by taxpayers in competition with everybody else

:04:03. > :04:06.seems unjustifiable. I think the BBC needs to get on with thinking about

:04:07. > :04:11.that. I don't think being chairman of chief executive of the BBC can

:04:12. > :04:14.any more be about defending the licence fee and trying to squeeze

:04:15. > :04:18.the most out of the government, and hoping it will keep pace with

:04:19. > :04:22.inflation. Somebody has to be doing the intellectual exercise of

:04:23. > :04:25.thinking about a BBC beyond the licence fee. I fear that the last

:04:26. > :04:32.three years have been lost in that respect. Enjoy your final programme

:04:33. > :04:38.tonight! I am sure it will be a happy retirement. I assume you have

:04:39. > :04:44.ruled yourself out. That wasn't your application for the job, was it? I

:04:45. > :04:50.think that was not a job application! Your moment of the week

:04:51. > :04:54.is to mark it is a sad story but it was President Goodluck Jonathan's

:04:55. > :04:59.statement about the abduction of hundreds of Nigerian girls, three

:05:00. > :05:04.weeks after it occurred. It is a very difficult task. The terrorists

:05:05. > :05:06.may have melted over the border, but I think the completely inadequate

:05:07. > :05:11.response of the Nigerian government, I don't think they realised how it

:05:12. > :05:18.looks to the rest of the world. It looked like he was forced. Exactly.

:05:19. > :05:22.I also read that some of the mothers went to see his wife and she had one

:05:23. > :05:28.of them arrested. If ever there was a leader out of touch with his

:05:29. > :05:32.country, it is him. When you see headlines saying that the SAS are on

:05:33. > :05:35.the way, you can be sure the SAS will be nowhere near. Yes.

:05:36. > :05:39.Now, it may have passed you by, but yesterday marked a year to go till

:05:40. > :05:41.the next general election. Wow! 12 whole months of electioneering,

:05:42. > :05:45.slogans and junk through your letterbox to look forward to. But

:05:46. > :05:48.how are the parties shaping up for the fight? Labour, who have led the

:05:49. > :05:52.opinion polls for most of the Parliament, are now at risk of

:05:53. > :05:55.losing their lead. This week they've floated a raft of policies and

:05:56. > :05:58.positions which some call a lurch to the left, and produced a party

:05:59. > :06:02.political broadcast with a strong class war appeal. Is that a winning

:06:03. > :06:05.formula? We turned to former Labour man and Daily Telegraph journalist

:06:06. > :06:22.Dan Hodges. This is his take of the week.

:06:23. > :06:32.# Insects. # We have crickets, bug salad, and we

:06:33. > :06:38.have Give me five minutes. Three years

:06:39. > :06:43.ago, when Ed Miliband was first selected, the Labour Party convinced

:06:44. > :06:49.itself it could go into the next election with an appetising offer

:06:50. > :06:53.for the electorate. Miliband was a fresh political face, his party was

:06:54. > :06:57.united behind him and the nation was tired of the austerities diet being

:06:58. > :07:06.offered by David Cameron and the Tory coalition. Your crickets. Thank

:07:07. > :07:12.you. But now the election is one year away and the early optimism is

:07:13. > :07:16.fading. Labour has three main problems. The first is the Ed

:07:17. > :07:19.Miliband issue. For years, his supporters have been saying, wait

:07:20. > :07:23.until the voters get to know him. Welcome and they have got to know

:07:24. > :07:27.him and the more they have got to know him, the less they have liked

:07:28. > :07:34.him. Too many, he is strange, otherworldly and out of touch. Worm

:07:35. > :07:39.caviar! And then there is the economy. Not long ago Labour was

:07:40. > :07:41.telling us we were on the edge of a triple dip recession. Now they are

:07:42. > :07:45.trying to tell us we are experiencing the wrong kind of

:07:46. > :07:56.recovery. The reality is, the voters are not swallowing it. And then

:07:57. > :08:00.there is Labour's policy offer. There is very little on the menu. As

:08:01. > :08:05.we have seen this week, what there is has pulled Labour from the centre

:08:06. > :08:11.and lurched Labour to the left. That is not going to whet the appetite of

:08:12. > :08:15.the average swing voter. Some commentators still think Labour is

:08:16. > :08:19.on course for victory, but I just don't see. Their lead is too small

:08:20. > :08:24.and big gap on issues such as leadership and economic competence

:08:25. > :08:28.is too wide. I think Labour is heading for defeat in 2015, a defeat

:08:29. > :08:33.Ed Miliband and his party will find tough to swallow.

:08:34. > :08:36.And from the creepy crawlies at the Archipelago Restaurant in Fitzrovia

:08:37. > :08:46.to our own little creepy crawlies here in the heart of Westminster,

:08:47. > :08:51.Dan joins us now. Welcome. Diane, is Labour heading for defeat in the

:08:52. > :08:55.next election? You are talking about this as if it is a US presidential

:08:56. > :08:58.election. People vote for a political party and all of the

:08:59. > :09:04.pollsters, if you talk to them, say that we are going to win. But the

:09:05. > :09:10.Tories will try to make it a presidential election. They will

:09:11. > :09:13.try. But Dan is talking about this great economic recovery. It might

:09:14. > :09:16.look great in Blackheath, but in the rest of the country people know that

:09:17. > :09:22.the numbers are better, but their lives aren't any better. Have you

:09:23. > :09:28.been touring the rest of the country? I was in Croydon today. Not

:09:29. > :09:34.quite the rest of the country. I believe this will be a recovery

:09:35. > :09:41.without votes, because living standards and confident in the

:09:42. > :09:45.future is no better. So why are the polls narrowing? We have had a

:09:46. > :09:51.consistent but small lead and Ike Spector is to keep that. The lead

:09:52. > :09:58.has been narrowing. Why do you so dislike Ed Miliband? It is not that

:09:59. > :10:01.I dislike him on a personal level. Obviously he is quite clearly

:10:02. > :10:05.pursuing the wrong political strategy. I just don't think he is

:10:06. > :10:10.going to be Prime Minister. Surprisingly, I think he has had an

:10:11. > :10:14.opportunity to be Prime Minister but the strategy he has pursued and the

:10:15. > :10:18.strategy Labour is pursuing, if you thought of a worse strategy for

:10:19. > :10:26.Labour to pursue, you could not come up with much worse. Is the problem

:10:27. > :10:32.strategy, or personal? Strategy. It is not him? His poll ratings are not

:10:33. > :10:35.good. In terms of the polling, the problems are that both in terms of

:10:36. > :10:37.his personal ratings on the leadership issue and on economic

:10:38. > :10:43.competence, Labour is 20 points behind. That is a huge albatross.

:10:44. > :10:47.But the big reason Labour is not going to win next year is because

:10:48. > :10:51.Labour is not trying to win in the classical sense of getting more

:10:52. > :10:55.votes than the opposition. They are pursuing this 35% strategy and

:10:56. > :10:57.hoping they will get 35% and the vagaries of the electoral system

:10:58. > :11:04.will help them stagger over the line. Ed Miliband's personal poll

:11:05. > :11:10.ratings are not great, but neither were Mrs Thatcher's in 1979. She did

:11:11. > :11:13.still win and Mr Miliband needs, because of what Dan calls the

:11:14. > :11:20.vagaries of our electoral system, he only needs 35% of the vote. It will

:11:21. > :11:26.not be like 1979, because Margaret Thatcher got over 40%, a big number.

:11:27. > :11:32.What is happening at the moment, it is a vote less election. All the

:11:33. > :11:38.parties are doing badly apart from UKIP. The polls are showing figures

:11:39. > :11:41.of 30% Conservatives and 30% for Labour. Both of those figures are

:11:42. > :11:45.terribly low in case of -- in the case of each party. In each case,

:11:46. > :11:49.they would normally mean defeat, if it were not for the fact that the

:11:50. > :11:54.other party is doing just as badly. This is not an election about

:11:55. > :11:57.whether Ed Miliband can win. It is precisely the last point that Dan

:11:58. > :12:03.made, whether Labour gets tried over the line in an extraordinary

:12:04. > :12:08.situation. 30% is the sort of number that for the Conservatives produced

:12:09. > :12:13.160 seats in 1997, 2001. Not only not a winning position, but

:12:14. > :12:17.desperately short. What we know is that if Labour and the Conservatives

:12:18. > :12:22.score the same number, whatever the number, Labour wins. You are all

:12:23. > :12:28.forgetting that ordinary people, not those like us, they don't start to

:12:29. > :12:33.focus on general elections until much later on in the cycle. I

:12:34. > :12:38.believe when they come to focus on this general election, the Tories

:12:39. > :12:43.are going to be even more unpopular than in 2010 when they lost, and

:12:44. > :12:46.they will lose again. It is also possible that the opposite will

:12:47. > :12:52.happen, and if the focus goes on Ed Miliband it will go badly. On what

:12:53. > :12:57.basis will the Tories be popular next summer? You must be happy that

:12:58. > :13:03.Ed Miliband seems to be shifting Labour to the left. Chance would be

:13:04. > :13:11.a fine thing. He is talking about taking the Labour finances Ashgrove

:13:12. > :13:18.fractures taking the railway franchises back into some form

:13:19. > :13:25.public ownership. It actually constitutes policies which are

:13:26. > :13:29.actually very popular. As a practising politician, all things

:13:30. > :13:35.being equal, I like popular policies and these are popular policies. And

:13:36. > :13:41.they are popular. But the poll rating is not bearing that out, is

:13:42. > :13:45.it? I think the big problem for Labour is that the parties are

:13:46. > :13:50.currently neck and neck, but that is with UKIP currently polling at 12%.

:13:51. > :13:53.UKIP is not going to get 12% in the general election and the majority of

:13:54. > :13:58.voters that switch back will go to the Tories. The Lib Dems are polling

:13:59. > :14:02.at 8% and they are not going to get that in the general election. They

:14:03. > :14:07.will be up 13 or 14 points, I expect. And that is coming straight

:14:08. > :14:12.off Labour. At the moment they are at level pegging when Labour should

:14:13. > :14:16.be at least ten points ahead. By the time of the election next year, the

:14:17. > :14:20.only way that the polls can go is that the Tories will go up and

:14:21. > :14:24.Labour will go down. Those figures about the Lib Dems are misleading.

:14:25. > :14:33.They will hold seats you might not expect. But overall they are going

:14:34. > :14:37.to lose seats. Isn't Mr Miliband's biggest asset that for the first

:14:38. > :14:43.time in living memory, the right is divided? Mrs Thatcher benefited from

:14:44. > :14:53.the left being divided. The right has been divided for 20 years.

:14:54. > :15:00.Between different political parties. 1997, 2001, 2005, 2010 for that

:15:01. > :15:04.matter, it has been about the Conservatives being terrified of

:15:05. > :15:07.losing votes to the right. Despite intellectually understanding they

:15:08. > :15:14.had to fight on the centre ground, in the end they decided to assuage

:15:15. > :15:17.the Daily Mail and try to shore up their 35%. This is the first

:15:18. > :15:21.election in which the Tories will face a credible party to their

:15:22. > :15:29.right. I don't think that is the case. What was there before? It was

:15:30. > :15:32.UKIP last time. It has become more credible but the Conservatives have

:15:33. > :15:36.faced the same problem of shifting themselves to the right in order to

:15:37. > :15:43.avoid being headed off by a right-wing party and losing votes in

:15:44. > :15:49.the centre. Certainly not after... You are going Lib Dem? Especially

:15:50. > :15:55.after that preposterous disgraceful political broadcast... It was not

:15:56. > :16:01.intended for YOU, Dan. Just as well. It is intended for people that voted

:16:02. > :16:07.Lib Dem because we all love Nick and now they regret it! It would be

:16:08. > :16:11.wrong to pose as Labour's critical friend because you have moved beyond

:16:12. > :16:16.that? I don't think anyone is in any doubt about what I think about Ed

:16:17. > :16:20.Miliband or the Labour Party. Right. Dan thinks that Mr Cameron will be

:16:21. > :16:26.Prime Minister with an overall majority, am I right? Yes. Diane? Ed

:16:27. > :16:33.Miliband will be Prime Minister with a small but sufficient overall

:16:34. > :16:35.majority. An Ed Miliband Prime Ministership is the most likely

:16:36. > :16:39.outcome. That is not the same as saying that is my prediction. I

:16:40. > :16:43.agree with what Dan said about the way things can shift and might

:16:44. > :16:47.shift. What is your prediction? Well, if I were forced to predict

:16:48. > :16:50.now, I would say Ed Miliband would be Prime Minister. But that is not

:16:51. > :16:55.my prediction because I think there is a lot that will happen. OK. You

:16:56. > :16:59.have lost me! I think it is perfectly simple. The viewers will

:17:00. > :17:04.understand that and that is all that matters to me! We will see if the

:17:05. > :17:11.viewers understand. Let me know now. Dan, thank you.

:17:12. > :17:14.Now it's late, Reverend Flowers late, so you're probably wide awake

:17:15. > :17:17.and feeling rather guilty, so prepare to serve your paltry

:17:18. > :17:20.sentence. Because waiting in the wings, comic, writer, campaigner,

:17:21. > :17:24.Ruby Wax is here, to discuss "intellectual confidence". We have

:17:25. > :17:27.just seen a bit of that. With a certain Diane Abbott. And Michael

:17:28. > :17:30.Denzil Xavier Portillo. Thank god we're not discussing intellectual

:17:31. > :17:35.humility or they'd have nothing to say! And remember, if you're too

:17:36. > :17:37.smart or too stupid for all this, we'd rather not hear from you.

:17:38. > :17:42.Unfortunately, the BBC insist we inform you about The Twitter, The

:17:43. > :17:46.Fleecebook and The Interweb. Now, how do you get an MP to run a

:17:47. > :17:50.four-minute mile? Question them about their expenses. Boom boom! But

:17:51. > :17:54.it was 60 years ago this week that Sir Roger Bannister broke the then

:17:55. > :17:56.one-mile record. Always happy to celebrate a great British triumph,

:17:57. > :18:00.we challenged BBC Deputy Political Editor, James Landale, to get his

:18:01. > :18:04.spikes on, run round a track like a mad man, and at the same time give

:18:05. > :18:12.us his in-depth take on the week in Westminster. Will he succeed? I

:18:13. > :18:15.doubt it. Please look away now if you're of a nervous disposition -

:18:16. > :18:24.naked wet legs were involved in the making of this film!

:18:25. > :18:32.Hello and welcome to the highlight of this summer's sporting fixtures -

:18:33. > :18:36.the one-mile This Week Chase. 60 years ago Mr Roger Bannister did it

:18:37. > :18:41.under four minutes. I can tell you, four minutes is a long time in

:18:42. > :18:46.politics! Today's race is sponsored by Pfizer, that's why Mr Landale is

:18:47. > :18:50.determined not to get too stiff! That is why he is doing all those

:18:51. > :18:57.physical jerks. Don't try this at home, children! There's one year to

:18:58. > :19:02.go until the general election race begins, so today all the runners are

:19:03. > :19:07.limbering up for the early heats for a place in the local council and the

:19:08. > :19:13.ambition of every athlete - the chance to go to Europe! And they are

:19:14. > :19:17.off! For years, the Lib Dems have told us every election is a

:19:18. > :19:22.two-horse race. Not anymore. The political track is looking crowded

:19:23. > :19:28.for the euro elections and Nick Clegg's team could come fifth behind

:19:29. > :19:39.the Greens. We are the only party that have the courage to stand up to

:19:40. > :19:44.UKIP. The only party relied on to rein in the Conservatives, the only

:19:45. > :19:54.party to undo the damage done by Labour to our economy. I say - poor

:19:55. > :19:59.show! A bit of jiggery-pokery going on, just the argy-bargy the

:20:00. > :20:08.Institute of Government says is going on in coalition. Coalition, my

:20:09. > :20:13.bottom! The main pushing and shoving this week was over the news that the

:20:14. > :20:20.Yanks want to join the race - that's right, Pfizer, the American drugs

:20:21. > :20:24.firm, wants to get its leg over - sorry, takeover of that plucky

:20:25. > :20:28.British enterprise, AstraZeneca. I and my colleagues across Government

:20:29. > :20:33.engaged early with both companies to ensure the outcome is positive for

:20:34. > :20:38.the UK, precisely to avoid previous Government's failures in this type

:20:39. > :20:42.of situation. The fact is, over the last week, the Government has

:20:43. > :20:44.compromised the Astra board leading the chairman to urge the Prime

:20:45. > :20:49.Minister to adopt a neutral position. Finally, Mr Speaker, the

:20:50. > :20:52.bottom line is this: The assurances the Government has extracted from

:20:53. > :21:00.Pfizer are simply not worth the paper they are written on. That was

:21:01. > :21:05.the club junior starting the relay. Then it was time for the senior boys

:21:06. > :21:09.to pick up the baton, for Ed Miliband it was another chance to

:21:10. > :21:13.bash a beastly foreign company. For David Cameron, a very real test of

:21:14. > :21:19.his claim that Britain is winning the global race. Better go! I agree

:21:20. > :21:23.with what the Business Secretary said yesterday. Let me be clear. The

:21:24. > :21:26.most important intervention we can make is to back British jobs,

:21:27. > :21:29.British science, British R, make is to back British jobs,

:21:30. > :21:35.British medicines and British technology. Is he ruling out or

:21:36. > :21:39.ruling in using the public interest test on this takeover? If he does

:21:40. > :21:43.not take action now, and the bid goes through without a proper

:21:44. > :21:47.assessment, everyone will know he was cheerleading for this bid, not

:21:48. > :21:51.championing British science and British industry. One team that is

:21:52. > :21:59.making the running is the UKIPers, they have chosen a new candidate for

:22:00. > :22:04.the Newark by-election hurdle. As for their leader, Nigel Farage, he's

:22:05. > :22:09.keen to show us that he has lots of black friends, apparently. Let this

:22:10. > :22:14.picture of me on the stage with these wonderful men and women from

:22:15. > :22:18.all their different backgrounds and their united belief in being British

:22:19. > :22:24.and being part of this country and in wanting this country to be free

:22:25. > :22:31.and independent and proud. Let this be UKIP's clause for moment. --

:22:32. > :22:35.Clause IV moment. Black and ethnic minority voters are going to get

:22:36. > :22:39.more important. A report by a think-tank said they are going to

:22:40. > :22:43.make up a third of the country by 2050 and, at the moment, not many of

:22:44. > :22:47.them are voting for David Cameron, which is a bit of a problem if he

:22:48. > :22:51.wants to run again. Right now Mr David Cameron is well behind the

:22:52. > :22:56.leaders. He is hoping the growing economy will give him a late surge

:22:57. > :23:00.in the final straight, but those Tory legs, they are looking pretty

:23:01. > :23:04.tired. What we have got to have in our country is the politics of the

:23:05. > :23:09.answer rather than the politics of anger. What we have got to do is fix

:23:10. > :23:12.these problems. Fix our welfare system so it rewards the

:23:13. > :23:18.hard-working, fix our immigration system so it benefits the whole of

:23:19. > :23:21.our country, get our taxes down. So, the election finishing line is

:23:22. > :23:26.almost in sight, all the politicians desperate to be first past the post.

:23:27. > :23:30.Except, of course, it is not like that, these are European elections

:23:31. > :23:43.so it is proportional representation and it is decided by somebody...

:23:44. > :23:49.Sadly, he tripped over his shoelaces at the last minute and never made

:23:50. > :23:54.it! AstraZeneca and Pfizer, where are you on this - welcome to

:23:55. > :24:01.Miranda. Well, pharmaceuticals is one of our few indigenous and highly

:24:02. > :24:06.successful industries and so I would be pretty nervous of the Pfizer bid.

:24:07. > :24:09.I'm quite struck by the interventions that have been made,

:24:10. > :24:15.particularly by a former Chief Executive of AstraZeneca, who

:24:16. > :24:19.believes that we should be very suspicious of the bid. That would be

:24:20. > :24:24.my frame of mind. This is a problem for the Prime Minister? It is.

:24:25. > :24:28.Conservatives, particularly, in recent years - the last 20 or 30

:24:29. > :24:33.years - have been associated with the free market. Sometimes get a bit

:24:34. > :24:36.bamboozled by the idea that the free market is the only thing they should

:24:37. > :24:39.be thinking of. It is one of the things they should be thinking of,

:24:40. > :24:43.but it is not the only thing. The last Labour Government watered-down

:24:44. > :24:47.the public interest test? Was it? I take your word for that. And you

:24:48. > :24:51.should, because it's true. Miranda, do the Lib Dems have a view on this?

:24:52. > :24:57.Vince Cable is the Business Secretary, so they have to. Well,

:24:58. > :25:05.hold on. There can be a Lib Dem view and a Vince the Cable view? That is

:25:06. > :25:09.true. I think it is about striking a balance because it's been very

:25:10. > :25:13.striking, I think, that The Financial Times has said hold on a

:25:14. > :25:17.minute our science base is so important that we should look at

:25:18. > :25:20.this very carefully, it has been very striking, the intervention from

:25:21. > :25:23.the Swedish Finance Minister saying you can't believe the pledges from

:25:24. > :25:29.Pfizer and we have suffered in Sweden. So, you know, it is a moment

:25:30. > :25:34.where you, as Michael says, it can't just be about principles of openness

:25:35. > :25:44.to foreign investment, it has also got to be about if you choose to

:25:45. > :25:48.have industrial strategies on certain industries and if a

:25:49. > :25:52.challenge comes along to undermine your strategy, you do have to think

:25:53. > :25:56.twice about whether you let it go through. You don't have to look in

:25:57. > :26:00.the crystal ball, you can read the record. Pfizer has a history. First

:26:01. > :26:04.of all, everyone believes they want to come here because of the tax

:26:05. > :26:08.arrangements. OK. They have a history of asset-stripping companies

:26:09. > :26:11.they have taken over and selling off the constituent parts. That is what

:26:12. > :26:15.people... Why didn't Ed Miliband want to meet the Chief Executive

:26:16. > :26:21.when the Chief Executive of Pfizer offered to come and see him?

:26:22. > :26:24.Miliband could have said... No... We know you are an asset-stripper and

:26:25. > :26:28.he would have got a lot of kudos. But he turned down the meeting. What

:26:29. > :26:33.was the reason for that? The reality - that is a distraction. He said he

:26:34. > :26:38.was too busy campaigning to meet him. Ed Miliband doesn't know

:26:39. > :26:42.whether to trust him or not because he didn't meet him! It's given the

:26:43. > :26:48.Government certain assurances, Pfizer, it would continue with the

:26:49. > :26:50.R in Cambridge, which is the existing AstraZeneca plant. The

:26:51. > :26:55.European headquarters would be placed here and there are other

:26:56. > :26:59.things. What do you do if they break them? Exactly. You wouldn't be able

:27:00. > :27:04.to hold them to those pledges. I think the Government, you know, has

:27:05. > :27:10.to make a political gut decision. On the one hand, it is also plausible

:27:11. > :27:15.that if AstraZeneca is joined to Pfizer so that people in Britain are

:27:16. > :27:18.working for the largest pharmaceutical conglomerate in the

:27:19. > :27:21.world with some of the best pharmaceutical properties, that

:27:22. > :27:26.could be very advantageous. It is also possible to argue that it would

:27:27. > :27:31.be stripped out of Britain and taken somewhere else. We have some amazing

:27:32. > :27:35.pharmaceutical patents in AstraZeneca and you can see why

:27:36. > :27:40.Pfizer would want to get hold of them. They are falling off the

:27:41. > :27:45.patent cliff, most of the drugs which they have made a lot of money

:27:46. > :27:50.now are going out of patent and will become generic, which is why their

:27:51. > :27:56.pipeline... You talking about AstraZeneca or Pfizer? AstraZeneca.

:27:57. > :28:01.The recent drugs that AstraZeneca have done well with were developed

:28:02. > :28:06.in Maryland. I wonder if AstraZeneca is the big British Champion that

:28:07. > :28:10.British politicians seem to think it is. It employed 50,000 people

:28:11. > :28:15.worldwide. Most of it - a lot of its research is done in Maryland. It has

:28:16. > :28:20.closed research facilities in Britain as well. It is interesting -

:28:21. > :28:28.7,000 jobs on a day when 19,000 jobs are being lost in bhaR clays. --

:28:29. > :28:34.Barclays. Pfizer's promises remind me of Krafts's promises in relation

:28:35. > :28:38.to Cadbury's. It is not just about the tax come pe division, though. --

:28:39. > :28:42.competition, though. There is this question of the NHS has a testing

:28:43. > :28:45.ground for pharmaceutical discoveries. Gordon Brown, as Prime

:28:46. > :28:49.Minister, was very hot on this. He was hot on the fact that we have got

:28:50. > :28:53.a good research base. We have the ideal place to test it. The NHS is

:28:54. > :28:57.not the ideal place anymore. It is not being used by most of the big

:28:58. > :29:01.pharmaceuticals, it takes too long and it is too slow, so much of

:29:02. > :29:05.AstraZeneca's testing is done in Europe. It is probably the

:29:06. > :29:10.explanation of why we have had a very successful pharmaceutical

:29:11. > :29:15.industry that they had a tame NHS to fund their research. Should - at the

:29:16. > :29:22.moment, as I understand it, the Government has very little power to

:29:23. > :29:27.stop this in the end. I think at the end, the power lies with Brussels to

:29:28. > :29:30.stop this, or let it go ahead. Should the British Government have

:29:31. > :29:35.the power to stop this? I think Pfizer said that if they - if the

:29:36. > :29:38.British Government indicates it doesn't support this bid, it will

:29:39. > :29:42.withdraw. I think it should indicate it doesn't support the bid. That

:29:43. > :29:47.would stop it? That is what Pfizer are saying. Let me move on to ethnic

:29:48. > :29:52.minority voters. There is a report out this week, it showed that the

:29:53. > :29:55.Tories have a real problem with ethnic minority voters in that they

:29:56. > :30:00.don't get them. Why? It is a huge problem. Partly because the Tories

:30:01. > :30:08.have ceased to articulate some messages that were attractive in the

:30:09. > :30:12.Thatcher days - we were the party of aspiration. And for Asian voters,

:30:13. > :30:16.particularly Indian and Pakistani voters, that seemed to go down

:30:17. > :30:22.extremely well. Margaret Thatcher took enormous care to appear at

:30:23. > :30:29.Asian social events and to socialise with prominent British Asians.

:30:30. > :30:36.I think the second thing is that if you decide as a party that you want

:30:37. > :30:41.to go on saying immigration needs to be reined in, it is quite difficult,

:30:42. > :30:45.in the year of those who are first-generation immigrants, or

:30:46. > :30:49.immigrate -- immigrants themselves, it is difficult to distinguish

:30:50. > :30:55.between a party saying, we don't want many immigrants, and something

:30:56. > :30:58.different, saying we don't like people who are immigrants or

:30:59. > :31:02.descended from immigrants. It sounds the same. So I think what the

:31:03. > :31:06.Conservatives are doing is that in the very short term they are hoping

:31:07. > :31:12.they can shore up their dwindling, ageing traditional vote, by heading

:31:13. > :31:15.off UKIP, by talking about immigration. What they are doing

:31:16. > :31:19.strategically is driving away the voters of the future. So the

:31:20. > :31:23.discussion we just had about what will happen at the next election is,

:31:24. > :31:26.in my view, of secondary importance. It is what will happen

:31:27. > :31:31.to the Conservative Party in the longer term that is of primary

:31:32. > :31:34.importance. The Prime Minister is focused on the near-term, shoring up

:31:35. > :31:38.the vote for the next election, without a thought to the strategic

:31:39. > :31:43.question of how the Tory party will survive. Were you in Crest --

:31:44. > :31:53.impressed with UKIP's diversity display? The polling shows that I

:31:54. > :31:58.think one third of people think that UKIP is anti-immigrant, in the worst

:31:59. > :32:02.sense. He was trying to send a message saying that is a media myth

:32:03. > :32:08.and here are the pictures to prove it. It will have no impact, because

:32:09. > :32:13.the thing about anti-immigrant rhetoric, the Republicans have this

:32:14. > :32:16.problem. They went on and on about illegal immigrants, but then legal

:32:17. > :32:20.immigrants fled from the Republicans. It is what Michael was

:32:21. > :32:25.saying, you hear this anti-immigrant rhetoric, and even though you are

:32:26. > :32:33.here legally, you believe that party doesn't like you. Between us we have

:32:34. > :32:40.three immigrant parents. That's right. Is Nick Clegg right to oppose

:32:41. > :32:43.tougher sentences for knife crime? I think he probably is but I'm not

:32:44. > :32:50.sure whether the motives are entirely pure. I know, what an awful

:32:51. > :32:53.slur! But I think he is right because I don't think you should

:32:54. > :32:58.make sentencing policy on the basis of what makes good headlines. You

:32:59. > :33:02.should think about the evidence. There are many young people who

:33:03. > :33:08.carry knives, unfortunately, and that is the reality. If you say the

:33:09. > :33:11.second time a young person for whatever reason feels they need to

:33:12. > :33:15.carry a knife, if you put them into a criminal class, lock them up where

:33:16. > :33:20.they will probably become someone who is more likely to have a career

:33:21. > :33:25.of crime ahead of them than not, it is a bad idea. Are you dismayed that

:33:26. > :33:27.Mr Miliband has joined the government in this policy and is

:33:28. > :33:32.Nick Clegg is the one taking the liberal line against it? And can

:33:33. > :33:38.boast about that in the pages of the Guardian? I am dismayed. What is the

:33:39. > :33:41.point of taking kids who happen to be carrying knives, putting them in

:33:42. > :33:47.prison where they can become highly skilled career criminals? It is a

:33:48. > :33:51.trend of governments try to stop the courts using their discretion, but

:33:52. > :33:54.that is what courts are there for. Miranda, thank you very much.

:33:55. > :33:57.Now, political parties have always contained deep thinkers, big-brained

:33:58. > :33:59.people who wrestle with the big philosophical questions of the day

:34:00. > :34:02.providing intellectual foundations for a party's programme for

:34:03. > :34:05.government. One only has to think of Keith Joseph in the Conservative

:34:06. > :34:08.Party, Gordon Brown in the Labour Party, Sarah Teather in the Liberal

:34:09. > :34:14.Democrats. Great minds that didn't think alike, to which we can now

:34:15. > :34:17.apparently add Ed Miliband. And that's why we've decided to stroke

:34:18. > :34:29.our chin and put intellectual confidence in this week's spotlight.

:34:30. > :34:35.Ed Miliband chose a strange tactic in shedding his nerdy reputation

:34:36. > :34:40.this week, bragging about how big his brain is. He claimed he had more

:34:41. > :34:46.intellectual self-confidence than David Cameron, something the Prime

:34:47. > :34:51.Minister took exception to. Let me make this point because I worry it

:34:52. > :34:54.may be lost in this debate. And I know, of course, he thinks he is

:34:55. > :35:00.extremely clever, and we all know that, but he may have missed this

:35:01. > :35:04.point. UKIP also seized on the potency of mocking his bold claim.

:35:05. > :35:10.They showed that they are anti-IQ, two, with their by-election

:35:11. > :35:12.candidate appealing to the common-sense voter, by dismissing

:35:13. > :35:17.the Labour leader as to intellectual. One exam board wants

:35:18. > :35:23.to make the intellectual more accessible by proposing a more

:35:24. > :35:29.accessible English A-level, studying Russell Brand's views on drugs, and

:35:30. > :35:34.tweets. The Department for Education called the idea rubbish, but is it

:35:35. > :35:38.intellectual snobbery? And while we are arguing over how best to teach,

:35:39. > :35:44.in Nigeria, Boko Haram do not want Western teaching at all. The

:35:45. > :35:49.Islamist terror group has abducted almost 300 schoolgirls, kidnapped

:35:50. > :35:54.just for being educated. They are extremists and do not really

:35:55. > :35:59.understand Islam. Is lan says it is your duty to get an education. So

:36:00. > :36:06.how do you instil intellectual confidence, and why is showing off

:36:07. > :36:12.your big brain such a big deal? We are joined by Ruby wax. Welcome.

:36:13. > :36:19.What is intellectual confidence? That is what you use when you want

:36:20. > :36:24.to lose an election. It is not streetsmart? It certainly isn't. If

:36:25. > :36:28.you are unconscious enough to use something that arrogant, I would say

:36:29. > :36:33.it flips you to the downside of intelligent. Dare I say stupid? We

:36:34. > :36:40.should learn from Sarah Pailin. He should have said he is a hockey mum.

:36:41. > :36:47.That is the new Vogue, to say, I am the people. Clearly, he didn't learn

:36:48. > :36:50.from that woman. You are looking at me disapprovingly. I am depressed by

:36:51. > :36:58.what you say, although I think it might be true. Does British society

:36:59. > :37:05.value intellectual abilities? When I first got to this country, I'm not

:37:06. > :37:11.sure. People would say, I have been to Eton. It was like turkeys finding

:37:12. > :37:18.their own. It was a club you could not crash, and it was smug. To an

:37:19. > :37:22.American, may the best guy who ripped you off win. In this country,

:37:23. > :37:27.it was like a club and I wanted to crash it, but I never felt I could.

:37:28. > :37:32.And in these days, going to Eton is a sign that your mum and dad had a

:37:33. > :37:36.tonne of money. In those days, it was still something that was

:37:37. > :37:41.considered, for an American, a superior intellect. Now, I know they

:37:42. > :37:48.all liked to wear nappies, but back then I thought it measured a higher

:37:49. > :37:54.IQ. It is possible that the emerging markets, India, China, they seem to

:37:55. > :37:59.put more value on education and intellect for their kids. To call it

:38:00. > :38:03.intellect is offensive. Does that mean you had a good IQ, or you did

:38:04. > :38:09.well on a test? Intellect is not that. That is just memorising. If

:38:10. > :38:13.you are creative... If you don't have curiosity, you are a moron. Did

:38:14. > :38:19.you just memorise the book and regurgitate it? Let's make it wider,

:38:20. > :38:23.what a real intellectual is. I am a blank slate, but I will ask the

:38:24. > :38:28.right questions and give the appearance of being intelligent. Was

:38:29. > :38:34.it wise of him to claim to be more intellectually confident than the

:38:35. > :38:37.Prime Minister? His father was a genuine intellectual, however you

:38:38. > :38:41.define it. But I think he forgot that historically the British are

:38:42. > :38:48.suspicious of intellectuals. Clever politicians, even if they are

:38:49. > :38:53.intellectual... I don't want him reading history books on holiday. I

:38:54. > :39:00.want him to meet the people. Clever politicians have always hidden that

:39:01. > :39:04.they are intellectuals. Are you intellectually confident? I am

:39:05. > :39:09.curious. I lack some intellectual confidence and I admire those who

:39:10. > :39:13.have it. That is a very British thing to say. That humble thing, I

:39:14. > :39:23.am not buying it, because he looks intellectually confident. The United

:39:24. > :39:26.States had as a President William Jefferson Clinton, with an

:39:27. > :39:34.extraordinary IQ. I think it was great that such a gifted man was in

:39:35. > :39:38.the presidency. But he hid it. Actually, I think the range of

:39:39. > :39:42.issues on which he was absolutely confident was an advantage to the

:39:43. > :39:45.presidency. I am proud that in the Conservative government today I

:39:46. > :39:49.would say that people like Oliver N and David Willetts are some of the

:39:50. > :39:55.most intellectual people we have had in government. I think they add

:39:56. > :40:01.enormously to the government. Nobody is saying you are an idiot, but you

:40:02. > :40:06.just don't say, I am one of the great... You have invalidated who

:40:07. > :40:09.you are. I am not saying Ed Miliband should have said that but the knee

:40:10. > :40:14.jerk reaction that we despise intellectuals is wrong. If we are

:40:15. > :40:18.lucky enough to get some people who are very, very bright to go into

:40:19. > :40:23.politics, I think we should be really pleased at that. But our

:40:24. > :40:30.leaders do try to hide their intellect. It is very British. These

:40:31. > :40:35.are all clever men. When you get very successful British people, they

:40:36. > :40:38.always say, I was just walking down the street and I became chairman of

:40:39. > :40:43.this multinational company. Of course, it wasn't like that but they

:40:44. > :40:47.love to be self-deprecating. But now, when they choose leaders, the

:40:48. > :40:53.guys who come at the top of the class are not necessarily hired. I

:40:54. > :40:58.associate high intellect with asp urges, because they have pinpoint

:40:59. > :41:03.vision. Let's talk about Richard Branson, someone who's good with

:41:04. > :41:11.people. That is who is being hired. Let's be more personable. Boris, I

:41:12. > :41:14.am not his greatest supporter, but he does things nobody else can do.

:41:15. > :41:19.For instance, he presents programmes on television about Roman and

:41:20. > :41:25.classical history which are clearly intellectual, and it does him no

:41:26. > :41:31.damage whatsoever. I just want to note that and admire it. But he

:41:32. > :41:34.carries it off by pretending to be a buffoon. Nobody is questioning that

:41:35. > :41:39.you have to be smart to get this job. It's no big deal. I don't know

:41:40. > :41:44.what I'm doing on this show, really. I will tell you,

:41:45. > :41:52.intellectual confidence is that I wrote a book called saving the

:41:53. > :42:03.world, and I'm here to plug it. -- seine New World. Do intellects make

:42:04. > :42:10.good leaders? I just said it, that I don't think, they are smart, but if

:42:11. > :42:15.they say it, it is offensive to the common man. Of course you have to be

:42:16. > :42:18.smart. Nobody is questioning that. I guess what we are talking about is

:42:19. > :42:23.whether you should say it. No, you should not. President Kennedy hosted

:42:24. > :42:28.a dinner for 14 Nobel Prize winners and began his speech by saying,

:42:29. > :42:31.there has never been a great collection of brain power under this

:42:32. > :42:40.roof since Thomas Jefferson dined alone. A very good joke, one of the

:42:41. > :42:46.best. Good luck with the book. You did not mention that I graduated

:42:47. > :42:53.from Oxford. In September. So I can understand those words. You are

:42:54. > :42:58.intellectually confident. I am now. You are not meant to say it. In

:42:59. > :43:02.August I was a moron but now I wear a square hat. I am confident.

:43:03. > :43:06.That's your lot for tonight folks, but not for us. We're giving Lou

:43:07. > :43:09.Lou's a miss tonight and heading over to Kebabylon on the Holloway

:43:10. > :43:12.Road for an extra-large lamb shawarma. We've no idea whether the

:43:13. > :43:15.meat's halal or kosher - we're just praying it's actually meat. But with

:43:16. > :43:18.Nick Clegg launching his party's local election campaign this week,

:43:19. > :43:23.at the Ministry of Sound nightclub in London - I kid you not, This Week

:43:24. > :43:26.viewers - we leave you tonight with the Lib Dem leader's rousing speech

:43:27. > :43:30.to the party-hard faithful, and his call to arms in the air.

:43:31. > :43:39.Nighty-night. Don't let Ravey Clegg bite.

:43:40. > :43:47.We are the only party in this election that has the courage to

:43:48. > :43:54.stand up to UKIP. The only party relied upon to reign in the

:43:55. > :44:03.Conservatives. The only party to undo the damage done by Labour to

:44:04. > :44:07.our economy. The only party that will deliver a stronger economy and

:44:08. > :44:11.a fairer society. Thank you very much.

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:44:37. > :44:39.is a stout set of legs, a bar of tablet and a bobble hat.

:44:40. > :44:42.There you go. Why can't the rest of us have a go?

:44:43. > :44:46.There's a good reason.