:00:00. > :00:09.Tonight, This Week goes back to school.
:00:10. > :00:11.The children at Westminster have been misbehaving - Theresa May
:00:12. > :00:16.and Michael Gove not snogging but fighting behind the bike sheds.
:00:17. > :00:18.But with schools accused of not doing enough to tackle extremism,
:00:19. > :00:24.how best do we educate children in a multicultural society?
:00:25. > :00:31.Journalist and author Safraz Mansoor is wearing his old school tie.
:00:32. > :00:38.I think education is about reading, writing and arithmetic. Let's keep
:00:39. > :00:42.religion out of it. is wearing his old school tie.
:00:43. > :00:43.religion out of it. Head boy David Cameron and Home
:00:44. > :00:46.Secretary Theresa May are Head boy David Cameron and Home
:00:47. > :00:48.pressure over the passport backlog. But can they stop
:00:49. > :00:49.the problem becoming a crisis? The Sun's Jane Moore is
:00:50. > :00:57.on a school day out. If Theresa May wants to be head girl
:00:58. > :01:00.of the Tory party, she has to hope the passport problem does not result
:01:01. > :01:03.in her being suspended from classes. on a school day out.
:01:04. > :01:06.the passport problem does not result in her being suspended from classes.
:01:07. > :01:08.Wimbledon champion Andy Murray has caused a stir by choosing, shock,
:01:09. > :01:11.horror, a "girl" to be his new coach,
:01:12. > :01:12.but will she be judged fairly? Former British Tennis player
:01:13. > :01:23.Annabel Croft serves us an ace. The idea that a woman can't teach a
:01:24. > :01:25.man anything is absolutely ridiculous. Let's start with Michael
:01:26. > :01:28.and Alan's shirts. Annabel Croft serves us an ace.
:01:29. > :01:33.Make sure you behave yourselves, or me
:01:34. > :01:36.and Tucker will give you a wedgie. Evenin' all.
:01:37. > :01:38.Welcome to This Week - BBC One's late-night Trojan Horse of extreme
:01:39. > :01:41.and misguided views, where " a culture of fear and intimidation
:01:42. > :01:45." has long taken grip, amid accusations that hardline Blue Nun
:01:46. > :01:47.drinkers have infiltrated the studio in a clearly forlorn
:01:48. > :01:53.attempt to influence young and otherwise sober minds.
:01:54. > :01:55.It must only be a matter of time before we join
:01:56. > :01:58.the Education Department, the Home Office and Birmingham schools in the
:01:59. > :02:01.special measures sin bin, where Gove Junior and May Minor are already
:02:02. > :02:05.languishing after being summoned to the headmaster's office and told
:02:06. > :02:08.in no uncertain terms that the extreme interpretation of radical
:02:09. > :02:12.conservative ideology that has taken root in Gove Minor's brain had to be
:02:13. > :02:17.eradicated, while May Minor's ambition to be leader of the next
:02:18. > :02:25.Tory Caliphate was an ideological delusion which she alone harboured.
:02:26. > :02:28.And while these shenanigans dominated Westminster Academy,
:02:29. > :02:33.nobody noticed that the Brum kids' annual ski-trip to Chamonix had been
:02:34. > :02:35.replaced by a pilgrimage to Mecca. What a surprise!
:02:36. > :02:39.Speaking of those who've taken their eye off
:02:40. > :02:42.the ball and spend most of their time blaming each other, I'm joined
:02:43. > :02:45.on the sofa tonight by two men whose views would have been behind
:02:46. > :02:48.the times even in the Dark Ages. Think of them as the Black Knight
:02:49. > :02:50.and the Black Death of late night political chat.
:02:51. > :02:54.I speak, of course, of #manontheleft Alan "AJ" Johnson...
:02:55. > :03:03.And #sadmanonatrain Michael "Choo Choo" Portillo.
:03:04. > :03:09.I'm not going to do moments of the week this week, I'm going to do the
:03:10. > :03:12.events in Iraq, which every hour get more serious. Michael, I suggest
:03:13. > :03:18.Iraq is in the grip more serious. Michael, I suggest
:03:19. > :03:23.war, with outsiders piling in. Reports denied of American drones in
:03:24. > :03:25.the sky. Reports of the Iranians revolutionary guard getting involved
:03:26. > :03:31.on the side of the Baghdad government. This is not going to end
:03:32. > :03:35.well. Almost certainly not. It is the latest development of 15 years
:03:36. > :03:39.of catastrophic foreign policy by the Americans and British. The
:03:40. > :03:44.foreign policy has been to remove nasty dictators from office, with no
:03:45. > :03:47.consideration as to what would follow next. So the removal of
:03:48. > :03:52.Saddam Hussein in Iraq has led to disaster. The destabilisation of
:03:53. > :03:58.Assad in Syria has led to a prolonged civil war in which the
:03:59. > :04:04.extremists are active. Libya is also largely under extremist control. And
:04:05. > :04:07.only in Egypt have things bounced back a bit because of a countercoup
:04:08. > :04:13.against the coup that we sponsored against Mubarak. When historians
:04:14. > :04:17.look at this, they will be absolutely puzzled as to how it was
:04:18. > :04:24.that the West managed to follow a foreign policy over 15 years which
:04:25. > :04:30.led to installing deadly enemies in key positions. That is part of the
:04:31. > :04:34.reason why we are where we are, but what happens next? This is not just
:04:35. > :04:40.an Iraqi problem, this is a regional problem. Throughout the Levant, from
:04:41. > :04:47.the Lebanon in the west, to the Gulf in the East, the whole region is in
:04:48. > :04:54.the reach -- in the grip of a Sunni Shia war. Yes, and there will be
:04:55. > :05:01.lots of arguments about how we got here. The point is that we are here
:05:02. > :05:05.now and what do we do? I think it is very difficult now, after
:05:06. > :05:10.Afghanistan and Iraq, and the failed a vote on Syria, for any democratic
:05:11. > :05:15.government to suggest that they need to do anything meaningful. But this
:05:16. > :05:19.is a much more profound situation. That is why the question is not what
:05:20. > :05:24.should we do now. Everybody knows that we do nothing. And the body
:05:25. > :05:29.language to Mike from President Obama gave off that message. He
:05:30. > :05:32.spent 20 minutes explaining that he was going to do nothing. When you
:05:33. > :05:36.face a crisis of this severity and you say, we will pursue all options
:05:37. > :05:41.and rule out nothing, except putting boots on the ground, it is not
:05:42. > :05:49.surprising to me that William Hague chose to spend a week with Angelina
:05:50. > :05:59.Jolie. Iraq was created by the French and the British. They drew
:06:00. > :06:04.lines in the sand. Are we not witnessing, for good or ill, the
:06:05. > :06:11.partition of Iraq? Iraq eat Kurdistan is going its own way. The
:06:12. > :06:15.East of Iraq is now in the hands of ISIS, this militant Sunni
:06:16. > :06:25.organisation. And Baghdad and the West of Iraq, the Iranians will
:06:26. > :06:30.never let us Sunnis take that. One huge mistake, forgetting about the
:06:31. > :06:34.invasion of Iraq, but actually dismantling the Armed Forces of Iraq
:06:35. > :06:39.and sending them away. The man who is leading ISIS was one of those
:06:40. > :06:42.soldiers who was sent away, with their arms. We are seeing that
:06:43. > :06:47.disastrous decision come back to bite us. They did not just get tanks
:06:48. > :06:54.when they took Mosul, not just Black Hawk helicopters, but $450 million
:06:55. > :06:58.out of the central bank, plus bullion. They are now the best
:06:59. > :07:04.financed terrorist group in the world. And the security forces
:07:05. > :07:09.dissolved quickly. And there are some terrible things happening. We
:07:10. > :07:10.will be covering this in the Sunday Politics on BBC One on Sunday
:07:11. > :07:12.morning. "Choo Choo" Portillo.
:07:13. > :07:15.Politics on BBC One on Sunday morning.
:07:16. > :07:18.Last week, we revealed to an unimpressed world that next month,
:07:19. > :07:22.on July 10th, we're taking This Week on the the high road for a special
:07:23. > :07:25.edition of the show in Scotland. We also mentioned it will be filmed
:07:26. > :07:29.before a live audience of This Week afficionados, at
:07:30. > :07:41.a high-security Edinburgh location. So, if either of our viewers
:07:42. > :07:46.in Scotland would like to attend this non-event, head to our website
:07:47. > :07:49.and fill out an application form. Next week we'll put both names
:07:50. > :07:56.in an un-Islamic tombola and pull out the unlucky winner.
:07:57. > :08:01.According to the head of school regulator Ofsted,
:08:02. > :08:03."a culture of fear and intimidation has taken grip" in some Birmingham
:08:04. > :08:08.schools, following accusations of a hard-line Islamist influence
:08:09. > :08:11.being introduced by stealth. The make-up of many of the schools
:08:12. > :08:15.was almost entirely Muslim. But they were not faith schools,
:08:16. > :08:18.not officially at any rate. So what lessons can we learn
:08:19. > :08:22.when schools predominately serve one community?
:08:23. > :08:25.And is it best for children to be educated only with pupils
:08:26. > :08:27.from similar backgrounds? We turned to author
:08:28. > :08:48.and broadcaster Sarfraz Manzoor. This is his take of the week.
:08:49. > :08:56.It was 40 years ago this summer that I arrived in Britain from Pakistan.
:08:57. > :09:00.My family settled in Luton in an overwhelmingly Pakistani Muslim part
:09:01. > :09:02.of town. Pretty much everyone looked like me. My father was a
:09:03. > :09:06.working-class first-generation Pakistani, and he believed his
:09:07. > :09:09.children would go further if they knew how to interact with people who
:09:10. > :09:13.lived outside the Muslim bubble, so we moved to a very white part of
:09:14. > :09:22.town. It was the best thing that ever happened to us. Today, there
:09:23. > :09:27.are still pockets of monocultural as, not just in Luton, but also, as
:09:28. > :09:30.we have seen, in Birmingham. I don't think there is an organised Trojan
:09:31. > :09:35.Horse plot to schools with radicalism, but I worry about
:09:36. > :09:39.schools that are effectively faith schools simply because so many
:09:40. > :09:49.parents and pupils come from just one religion. Michael Gove's
:09:50. > :09:52.education reforms are all about parents will choice and school
:09:53. > :09:59.freedom, but what if some parents use that choice to push for a narrow
:10:00. > :10:03.interpretation of Islam that many, including many Muslims, disagree
:10:04. > :10:07.with? What if some parents actually want their children to be taught
:10:08. > :10:18.that white women are prostitutes and music is anti-Muslim? It is freedom,
:10:19. > :10:26.but at what price? Hello. Did you have a nice day? Shall we go to the
:10:27. > :10:35.playground? OK. Let me take your hat off. 40 years on from when I came to
:10:36. > :10:39.Britain, I am now the father of a little girl and my wife and I are
:10:40. > :10:43.thinking about how we will educate her in future. My dad raised me to
:10:44. > :10:45.believe that religion belonged in the private realm and did not need
:10:46. > :10:50.to be installed by places of learning. That is why I want my
:10:51. > :10:53.daughter to go to a school where she is surrounded by people who look
:10:54. > :10:57.like the whole of Britain. Anything else is a betrayal of my own family
:10:58. > :11:01.history, and more importantly it is letting my daughter down.
:11:02. > :11:05.And from a playground in Stoke Newington to our own little
:11:06. > :11:13.playground here in the heart of Westminster, Sarfraz joins us now.
:11:14. > :11:17.Do you think most Muslim parents want what you have described, or the
:11:18. > :11:23.kind of schools they have in Birmingham? It is hard to speak for
:11:24. > :11:26.all Muslims, but the interesting question is that this Trojan Horse
:11:27. > :11:31.episode seems to have divided and polarised opinion. The right seem to
:11:32. > :11:35.think it is about violent extremism and the left think it is about
:11:36. > :11:37.Islamophobia. I was trying to show that there will be people from a
:11:38. > :11:41.culturally Conservative background who will want those values. What do
:11:42. > :11:44.you do if the freedom we believe parents should have leads them to
:11:45. > :11:49.want things that do not help a cohesive society? It does not matter
:11:50. > :11:52.if there are not many of them, if there are, should the school be a
:11:53. > :11:55.safe place where you are protected from those extreme opinions, or
:11:56. > :12:00.should be a place where those opinions are indulged? It is not
:12:01. > :12:06.just an issue of potentially violent extremism, but there is a
:12:07. > :12:09.possibility that certain Conservative values could be in
:12:10. > :12:14.conflict with what we think of as British values, for example that you
:12:15. > :12:19.should not teach music, that girls and boys should be rigidly
:12:20. > :12:23.segregated. Whether in a faith school or a state school, that goes
:12:24. > :12:29.against the grain of what we are meant to stand for. The point is
:12:30. > :12:34.that if you are a kid, they say 98% of pupils and parents are Muslim. I
:12:35. > :12:37.would say 98% of parents are, not necessarily the kids. I think
:12:38. > :12:40.schools should be a place where you are doing things and learning things
:12:41. > :12:46.that may be the parents do not necessarily want. I come back to the
:12:47. > :12:51.question. You cannot speak for all Muslims, but where is the balance of
:12:52. > :12:55.opinion among Muslim parents? Do they want the kind of school you
:12:56. > :12:59.would want, or this school in Birmingham? They all want a good
:13:00. > :13:03.education but it is about class. If you grow up in an environment where
:13:04. > :13:06.you are not getting many influences from outside, there is more chance
:13:07. > :13:11.you will be worried about what is going on about outside. If you go to
:13:12. > :13:14.places like Bradford, Luton, Birmingham, where you have a large
:13:15. > :13:18.concentration of a certain community, there is more chance that
:13:19. > :13:26.that community will want to replicate itself. This was happening
:13:27. > :13:31.when Labour was in power. Were you aware of this as Education
:13:32. > :13:34.Secretary? Yes, indeed, I did the fastest U-turn in history. As
:13:35. > :13:38.Education Secretary, I tried to put in the education bill that had gone
:13:39. > :13:41.through the Commons and was in the Lords a clause that said all new
:13:42. > :13:46.faith schools had to take at least 20% of children from other
:13:47. > :13:49.religions, or no religion at all. It is worth saying none of the schools
:13:50. > :13:56.involved in Birmingham were faith schools. But they acted like they
:13:57. > :14:01.wanted to be. The reaction was that my feet were held to the fire. That
:14:02. > :14:05.was the reaction from our side, predominantly from the Catholic
:14:06. > :14:08.church at the time. We withdrew the amendment, but we got a voluntary
:14:09. > :14:12.agreement that it would happen anyway. Actually, what has happened,
:14:13. > :14:19.and I am not claiming credit, but in new faith schools it is not just 20%
:14:20. > :14:20.but something like 50% are not of that nomination or are of that
:14:21. > :14:28.nomination or are they different nomination. The problem I see is
:14:29. > :14:31.that if people want to go to their local school, and if local area
:14:32. > :14:34.around the school is predominantly Muslim you cannot tell them, you
:14:35. > :14:39.cannot go to your local school. What you have to do, and this is Michael
:14:40. > :14:43.Gove's problem, with his myriad of different systems, is that he is
:14:44. > :14:48.trying to promote individualism and uniformity at the same time. What
:14:49. > :14:55.parents need, I think, particularly in state schools, I think it is
:14:56. > :14:57.reasonable that there is the protection for parents that their
:14:58. > :15:04.children will not be in cultivated with a religion, even if they go to
:15:05. > :15:08.a faith school. We are all on the same page. The
:15:09. > :15:10.good question is, We are all on the same page. The
:15:11. > :15:14.good question where does parental choice end and where does core
:15:15. > :15:18.British values, quaranteed in schools, begin? It's a good
:15:19. > :15:22.question. I don't think it's a difficult question to answer, at
:15:23. > :15:25.least in principle. British values have to dominate. We have to provide
:15:26. > :15:30.the protection in schools that you are saying. It may be that situation
:15:31. > :15:35.doesn't obtain at the moment. It's possible to legislate that. Still to
:15:36. > :15:39.leave, you know, pretty important areas of parental freedom. I do
:15:40. > :15:43.think, we have been talking about British values in the last week,
:15:44. > :15:48.Michael Gove has, I think generally the time has come for us, the
:15:49. > :15:51.Government, the British people, to be rather more assertive. One of the
:15:52. > :15:56.areas we need to be more assertive is about what happens in schools. I
:15:57. > :16:01.think another area in which we need to be more assertive is that Sharia
:16:02. > :16:04.law, at least for some people, is becoming a second legal system
:16:05. > :16:08.alongside the British legal system. It's quite difficult for a nation
:16:09. > :16:14.state to continue to survive if you have two competing legal systems. I
:16:15. > :16:21.agree in concept. It depends on who is doing the assertion. One of the
:16:22. > :16:25.worries is that the Trojan Horse letter, which has probably turned
:16:26. > :16:33.out to be a hoax, Michael Gove, they are using that in a way to spread
:16:34. > :16:38.and expand particular ideas - The Ofsted investigation is devastating?
:16:39. > :16:41.If you have Michael Gove or David Cameron saying they want people to
:16:42. > :16:48.become more British. The people who send the message is as important as
:16:49. > :16:51.the message itself. Self. They happen to be the people in office
:16:52. > :16:55.they have responsibilities. They have authority. If you want the
:16:56. > :17:00.things that you express in your film. If you want those things, you
:17:01. > :17:04.have to have government - If they are saying they have people who are
:17:05. > :17:08.saying, hands up who believes in Christmas. Everyone says no. People
:17:09. > :17:12.saying music is anti-Muslim. What can you do by law to change that if
:17:13. > :17:17.the parents want that to be in the school? You make sure that the
:17:18. > :17:21.governors of the school and the head teachers understand - I wouldn't
:17:22. > :17:26.necessarily call them "British values" values that go wider - A
:17:27. > :17:32.danger of British values will be Big Society 2, which nobody can agree
:17:33. > :17:37.about. One of those values is tolerance. We had a curriculum a
:17:38. > :17:46.stipulation about what had to be done in schools which implied also
:17:47. > :17:50.what was not to be done in school. You can impose a curriculum on all
:17:51. > :17:54.schools whatever their status. I think you can. You can have useful
:17:55. > :17:58.additional freedoms of choice for parents without getting into this
:17:59. > :18:02.mess. You mentioned social class in this. Could it not be that for
:18:03. > :18:06.particularly in the poorer areas of our cities, like some of these
:18:07. > :18:12.schools in Birmingham, if you are a Muslim parent, you are not zealous
:18:13. > :18:16.religiously you are prepared to put up with a staunch Muslim school
:18:17. > :18:20.because at least there will be discipline and the kids, in certain
:18:21. > :18:24.subjects anyway, will be well educated and they will be better off
:18:25. > :18:29.than the stab academy three miles down the road? That is true. No
:18:30. > :18:34.parent wants their childed to go to a school that hasn't got good exam
:18:35. > :18:38.results. These schools did. There is concern and. Apprehension about the
:18:39. > :18:42.Muslim community in the mainstream media and some politicians. A lot of
:18:43. > :18:46.people in the community have fear and apprehension about wider
:18:47. > :18:49.society. These schools are a representation of the school and
:18:50. > :18:52.There has family. Been a group of people, we know the incompetence in
:18:53. > :18:56.a, who have been involved. It may not be a concerted plot, but there
:18:57. > :19:00.are a number of people who clearly want to reconfigure these schools in
:19:01. > :19:05.an Islamist direction? I don't know enough about whether - One of them
:19:06. > :19:09.wrote in the report, it was a Taliban-style report for the Muslim
:19:10. > :19:14.Council on Britain on what should happen in schools. I think the more
:19:15. > :19:18.worrying thing is that parents would want their kids to go to a school
:19:19. > :19:22.where music is considered bad and where white women are told they are
:19:23. > :19:26.prostitutes, that is more worrying for a society in trying to get kids
:19:27. > :19:33.to be quipped for the modern world. That is what is letting children
:19:34. > :19:39.down. That is extremist? Not violent That is extremism. Not the main
:19:40. > :19:43.concern. Why did Mr Blair give faith schools a new lease of life? I was
:19:44. > :19:48.Education Secretary under Mr Blair. If you are talking about Muslim
:19:49. > :19:52.schools - I don't, I mean all. There was an issue there where there was
:19:53. > :19:56.seven private Muslim schools that we brought under the state umbrella. We
:19:57. > :19:59.thought that was absolutely the right thing to do. There is a
:20:00. > :20:08.greater control in the state sector than the private-sector. The King
:20:09. > :20:15.Fad school, Arabic textbooks, described using Christian Assad
:20:16. > :20:18.monkeys and a question, was Christianity worthless. It's not an
:20:19. > :20:22.anti-faith school argument I think here. Not least at all for the point
:20:23. > :20:30.I have made. None of these schools were faith schools. Ludicrous having
:20:31. > :20:34.an argument about faith schools. Many faith schools give very good
:20:35. > :20:39.education. To move this away from the Islamic point of view for a
:20:40. > :20:41.moment. I don't think we shall ever sort out the Northern Ireland issue
:20:42. > :20:45.for as long as we have faith schools in Northern Ireland. We will have to
:20:46. > :20:47.leave it there. We are going on to a whole new subject. Thank you for
:20:48. > :20:59.being with us. It's late, but you probably can't
:21:00. > :21:02.sleep, not lying on those anti-homeless spikes, which
:21:03. > :21:05.means - thanks to the uncharitable action of some luxury flat owners -
:21:06. > :21:07.at least one member of our audience is wide-awake for once.
:21:08. > :21:09.Which can only be a good thing because, waiting
:21:10. > :21:12.in the wings, tennis commentator and former pro, Annabel Croft, is here
:21:13. > :21:14.to talk about 'gender blindness'. And
:21:15. > :21:18.for the those who may not be blind, or deaf, but are certainly dumb, you
:21:19. > :21:24.can always follow us on The Twitter, The Fleecebook, and the Interweb.
:21:25. > :21:27.Now, an Brit, a German, a Swede and a Dutchman go out
:21:28. > :21:29.in a boat. Sounds like the start
:21:30. > :21:32.of a dodgy This Week joke. But in fact it actually happened!
:21:33. > :21:35.David Cameron joined a few of his euro mates for a spot of rowing to
:21:36. > :21:39.clear their minds for the task at hand, trying to work out what to do
:21:40. > :21:41.after the dreadful euro elections. Sun Columnist Jane Moore
:21:42. > :21:42.decided to join them. Here's her round up
:21:43. > :21:52.of the political week. Cameron, get out and get your own
:21:53. > :21:57.boat. Angela Merkel might Cameron, get out and get your own
:21:58. > :22:01.to share with him, I'm not. Cameron, get out and get your own
:22:02. > :22:11.rude! Not terribly British behaviour, is it? Boris Johnson
:22:12. > :22:14.expecting a long hot summer of discontent? Well, maybe. He has
:22:15. > :22:20.decided to buy three water cannons for the Met police, a move that
:22:21. > :22:23.could make political waves as Home Secretary, Theresa May, hasn't said
:22:24. > :22:27.they can be used yet. Perhaps this is a little power game by Boris
:22:28. > :22:36.Johnson in the run-up to the election. Naughty, boy! I'm
:22:37. > :22:41.volunteering to undergo the experience that Londoners would
:22:42. > :22:44.experience in the very, very remote eventuality of our having to deploy
:22:45. > :22:52.water cannon. I have said that on the radio this morning. There seems
:22:53. > :22:56.no easy escape from it. I am going to have to do that. Oh, to be in
:22:57. > :23:01.England now that summer is here. to have to do that. Oh, to be in
:23:02. > :23:08.Mind you, it hasn't stopped most of us trying to book a foreign holiday.
:23:09. > :23:14.What do we need, suitcase, suncream, tickets, passport... Oh, hang on a
:23:15. > :23:18.minute! Since January, HMPO has been putting in place extra resources to
:23:19. > :23:22.try to make sure that people receive their new passports in good time.
:23:23. > :23:27.But as the House will know, there are still delays in the system. As
:23:28. > :23:30.the Prime Minister said yesterday - as the Prime Minister said
:23:31. > :23:33.yesterday, the number of straight-forward passport applicants
:23:34. > :23:38.who are being dealt with outside the normal three week waiting time is
:23:39. > :23:42.around 30,000. This is now a sorry shambles from a sorry department and
:23:43. > :23:46.a Home Secretary who can't even bring herself to say the word.
:23:47. > :23:52.Government incompetence means people are at risk of missing their
:23:53. > :23:58.holidays, their honey moons, their businesses, every MP, their business
:23:59. > :24:01.trips, every MP has been inundated with these case. The Home Secretary
:24:02. > :24:08.doesn't seem to know what is going on. Yes the Passport Office is said
:24:09. > :24:11.to be struggling under the weight of extra applications. Basic house
:24:12. > :24:16.keeping task which doesn't bode well for a Prime
:24:17. > :24:24.keeping task which doesn't bode well reelection. No doubt Dave will be
:24:25. > :24:28.straight on to Samcam to check the families passports are up-to-date.
:24:29. > :24:36.If you want something doing - ask a woman, that's what I say! That looks
:24:37. > :24:39.set to be the case more and more with Hillary Clinton doing her best
:24:40. > :24:43.to become the first female President of the US. Britain backing a woman
:24:44. > :24:47.as President of the European Commission and David Cameron's
:24:48. > :24:53.expected reshuffle likely to promote several women. This week the actress
:24:54. > :24:55.Angelina Jolie addressed 300 Government ministers at a global
:24:56. > :25:01.summit to try to end sexual violence. I can speak to these
:25:02. > :25:06.women. A lot of these women, it's not surprising to them, I would be
:25:07. > :25:09.sitting hearing their stories and becoming emotional with them. When
:25:10. > :25:13.they see the Foreign Secretary of the United Kingdom, sit with them, a
:25:14. > :25:14.man, it means so much to them. It means even more because it is
:25:15. > :25:31.something they are not used to. Oh, suit yourself. Angela Merkel
:25:32. > :25:34.wasn't putting up with any bad behaviour on her boat. European
:25:35. > :25:39.leaders met to solve their problems after last week's euro elections
:25:40. > :25:43.left them hold under the water line. The big sticking point for change
:25:44. > :25:46.was, who should be President of the European Commission? David Cameron
:25:47. > :25:50.said that the appointment of Jean-Claude Juncker might mean that
:25:51. > :25:55.Britain would leave the European Union. Captain Merkel was putting up
:25:56. > :26:00.with with no such threats. She said they were against the European
:26:01. > :26:05.spirit - whatever that means! TRANSLATION: Regarding the fact I'm
:26:06. > :26:09.supporting Jean-Claude Juncker all our decisions are made within a
:26:10. > :26:15.European spirit. We cannot just take this for granted and threats are not
:26:16. > :26:20.part of our way of doing things. Gordon Brown, remember him, the
:26:21. > :26:24.former captain of the good old ship Britannia, he went off message,
:26:25. > :26:29.rethe campaign for Scotland not to break away from the UK. Attacking
:26:30. > :26:33.David Cameron for saying that a vote for independence might result in
:26:34. > :26:38.huge job losses. Brown reckons the MP has made the debate about
:26:39. > :26:42.Scotland verses the rest of Britain. At least they know they have a bit
:26:43. > :26:56.of magic to help them with the vote now. Harry Potter author JK Rowling
:26:57. > :27:02.has doe noted ?1 million to the no campaign. Not everyone thinks it is
:27:03. > :27:06.a good idea. She is entitled to express her views. If it comes to
:27:07. > :27:10.people in the artistic community the feeling would be the substantial
:27:11. > :27:17.majority are backing the Yes cause. A muted response compared to the
:27:18. > :27:21.cyber knats who hurled online abuse at her. Proved when it comes to
:27:22. > :27:30.measured and political debate they really are all at sea. Perhaps she
:27:31. > :27:36.could just tell them to QUACK off. Is like this programme, always
:27:37. > :27:43.paddling very hard. Miranda joins us again. Alan, you have been Home
:27:44. > :27:47.Secretary. This passport crisis, They come along regularly. The
:27:48. > :27:52.surprise is this is in the Passport Office. That was a quiet back water.
:27:53. > :27:56.It was the most successful computerisation programme we ever
:27:57. > :28:01.saw under Jack Straw. The guilt has come off the Theresa May Gingerbread
:28:02. > :28:05.a bit this week. What surprises me, I know that we have a big fan
:28:06. > :28:10.sitting opposite here. What surprises me is - And here, by the
:28:11. > :28:15.way. OK. There is a mess in the Passport Office. There was a row,
:28:16. > :28:19.the row with Gove, it seems Theresa May was the biggest culprit, Michael
:28:20. > :28:27.had a lunch with the Times and said too much. We have all done that! The
:28:28. > :28:31.response was amazing. There are two dangerous people out there, one of
:28:32. > :28:35.them was lost two years ago, the other one was lost eight months ago.
:28:36. > :28:39.Both on control waters that were watered down by the Home Secretary.
:28:40. > :28:43.Previous Home Secretaries would have gone on the strength of that. It's
:28:44. > :28:47.quite strange that the big problem with Theresa May seems to be about,
:28:48. > :28:54.you know, less serious things than terrorism. What is the case for May
:28:55. > :28:59.in this? Is I think they is interesting. That is not a case. I
:29:00. > :29:03.thought her speech to the Police Federation was compelent. She did
:29:04. > :29:11.something which Cabinet ministers do rarely at the moment, speak to the
:29:12. > :29:15.public - That will not help you if you want to get abroad on your one
:29:16. > :29:20.summer holiday and you can't get a passport. I agree. I don't think
:29:21. > :29:24.this is a first rank offence for a Cabinet Minister for there to be
:29:25. > :29:29.problems at the Passport Office. It might get worse, I think this idea
:29:30. > :29:36.it is - it is open season on Theresa May because of her spat with Gove.
:29:37. > :29:43.She has had adoring press and media for years. It will take more than
:29:44. > :29:48.this for me to fall by the wayside. The Home Office is a machine whose
:29:49. > :29:54.default position is to crash. The Home Office's default position is
:29:55. > :29:59.shambles unless you control it. She must have taken her eye off the
:30:00. > :30:02.ball. The Passport Office was an office that was shambolic a few
:30:03. > :30:06.years ago. Sorted out. A magnificent success. I suspect there has been a
:30:07. > :30:10.problem with the management. The Chief Executive has been there a
:30:11. > :30:13.year. There has been a change of management am she must be blamed for
:30:14. > :30:19.taking her eye off the ball. She will get hold of it. Is she a good
:30:20. > :30:26.Home Secretary? On the whole, yes. That is why she Is she survived. A
:30:27. > :30:32.good Home Secretary. No. Yes. 2-1. I haven't got a vote. Previous Home
:30:33. > :30:37.Secretaries carry more votes. That is not proportional. Now we know the
:30:38. > :30:47.Lib Dems don't talk about it any more.
:30:48. > :30:55.blasted by water cannon to reassure Londoners it is safe. Have you
:30:56. > :31:04.applied to be the man who fires it? He has! I am not sure Boris is wrong
:31:05. > :31:09.about this. We might need water cannon at some time. Boris also said
:31:10. > :31:18.something I agree with this week, which was that he could not see the
:31:19. > :31:21.point of trying to stop the president of the European
:31:22. > :31:24.Commission, because whoever takes over the whole thing is Federalist.
:31:25. > :31:29.He said was trying to remove a gnat from the knee of a rhino standing on
:31:30. > :31:35.chest. Can we keep to the chronology. We are coming on to that
:31:36. > :31:38.in a minute. He tells the jokes ahead, and you get onto the next
:31:39. > :31:46.subject! Should we have water cannon? No, I don't think so. The
:31:47. > :31:49.police were telling me when I was Home Secretary, unanimously,
:31:50. > :31:53.everyone I asked, because it was floating around even before I came
:31:54. > :31:59.in, everyone said no, and for good reasons. Actually, it needs to be a
:32:00. > :32:02.certain type of situation, with protesters, by the way, this is
:32:03. > :32:10.about people protesting on our streets that they are thinking of
:32:11. > :32:12.using water cannon against. Hold on. That is the whole point. Police
:32:13. > :32:19.said, if it is rioters, as in 2011, That is the whole point. Police
:32:20. > :32:23.it would not work, because they were mobile, not static. It is for static
:32:24. > :32:25.demonstrations. There is something not petition about this. It would
:32:26. > :32:33.take a lot to persuade me but not petition about this. It would
:32:34. > :32:38.unanimity amongst the police. They were against it in 2011. Mr Clegg is
:32:39. > :32:45.against it, I think, but not in position to stop it. I don't think
:32:46. > :32:48.it is a good idea. Getting into an arms race with the public is not a
:32:49. > :32:52.great idea because what you are talking about is how the police
:32:53. > :32:58.control citizens when they are out of hand, not some sort of hostile
:32:59. > :33:03.attack. I think Nick Clegg is quite right to say no, actually. It is
:33:04. > :33:06.quite uncharacteristic of Boris Johnson to say yes to this. The Home
:33:07. > :33:15.Secretary has to approve it. Johnson to say yes to this. The Home
:33:16. > :33:25.and she must be livid. It is a coincidence, isn't it? Let's come on
:33:26. > :33:28.to the European Commission. Will David Cameron get his way and
:33:29. > :33:32.managed to stop, even if you think it does not matter, along with
:33:33. > :33:39.Boris, will he get his way and be able to stop him or not? It doesn't
:33:40. > :33:43.look like it. I would have thought the chances of not being able to
:33:44. > :33:49.stop it are so high that it seems unwise to have gone out
:33:50. > :33:49.stop it are so high that it seems want as president of the European
:33:50. > :34:02.Commission? They want as president of the European
:34:03. > :34:07.Nick Clegg has been very careful to back David Cameron all the way
:34:08. > :34:07.Nick Clegg has been very careful to this. What is the difference between
:34:08. > :34:14.this one and the Dutchman? He this. What is the difference between
:34:15. > :34:17.think Michael this. What is the difference between
:34:18. > :34:22.about this is how much capital David Cameron is expending on something he
:34:23. > :34:25.might not win. It is all very well saying there is this new alliance of
:34:26. > :34:29.northern countries with a different attitude to Europe, but if you can't
:34:30. > :34:35.actually fight against the great Mike of Angela Merkel, where are you
:34:36. > :34:38.going? It is only in the Westminster village that people talk of
:34:39. > :34:42.political capital for and against him. No one else has heard
:34:43. > :34:44.political capital for and against and nobody cares. Well,
:34:45. > :34:45.political capital for and against to achieve something through
:34:46. > :34:49.negotiation, or not? Someone ought to achieve something through
:34:50. > :34:53.to sit down with David Cameron and give him a session on the art of
:34:54. > :34:58.negotiation. The tragedy is that people who do not want Junker have
:34:59. > :35:00.negotiation. The tragedy is that had their job made more difficult by
:35:01. > :35:02.not just what David Cameron has done, but also because the British
:35:03. > :35:06.media jumping in as well done, but also because the British
:35:07. > :35:12.size 12 hobnailed boots, made it very difficult for the people who
:35:13. > :35:14.actually want to quietly negotiate a different person, and
:35:15. > :35:15.actually want to quietly negotiate a agreement about not wanting him,
:35:16. > :35:22.actually want to quietly negotiate a they have made it more difficult. It
:35:23. > :35:26.seems amazingly crass and clumsy. Michael, former Treasury Minister,
:35:27. > :35:33.Governor Carney, Bank of England, gave a speech tonight in which he
:35:34. > :35:37.said something rather strange for a speech at this event. He said
:35:38. > :35:44.interest rate rises "could happen sooner rather but gross sooner than
:35:45. > :35:48.the markets expect". Since the markets have been bringing forward
:35:49. > :35:53.when they expect interest rates to rise, this means it could be even
:35:54. > :35:56.sooner, meaning sometime this year. That is apparently what it would
:35:57. > :36:00.mean. I would have thought the markets would have thought whatever
:36:01. > :36:02.the economics were dictating, political reasons would tell you
:36:03. > :36:07.that the rise in interest rates would be after May 2015, after the
:36:08. > :36:12.general election. He is correcting that. I think he is not doing so
:36:13. > :36:15.because he thinks interest rates will rise before the general
:36:16. > :36:20.election, but because he hopes that making these comments will in
:36:21. > :36:22.themselves douse the housing market. I knew we would get an explanation.
:36:23. > :36:28.Miranda, thank you. Now, ITV is in trouble for paying
:36:29. > :36:31.students with less money than sense to drink up to 48 units of alcohol
:36:32. > :36:34.as part of a TV experiment. Now, we know all
:36:35. > :36:36.about getting blind drunk for light entertainment, but that's not
:36:37. > :36:39.the only blindness we suffer from. It's a wonder we can find
:36:40. > :36:42.the studio given our inability to spot a conversational blind alley,
:36:43. > :36:50.or the fact nobody takes a blind bit of notice of Alan and Michael.
:36:51. > :36:56.And don't let Miranda fool you, her effing and blinding would make
:36:57. > :36:58.a sailor blush! Fortunately, we're also blind
:36:59. > :37:00.when it comes to guests, and that's why we're putting gender
:37:01. > :37:20.blindness in this week's Spotlight. Andy Murray has a new coach, and no
:37:21. > :37:25.need for new balls. He appointed former women's tennis ace, Amer Lee
:37:26. > :37:34.Morris Mo, raising some eyebrows and even objections. But Murray does not
:37:35. > :37:39.see the big deal. It does not feel very different thing for me to do. I
:37:40. > :37:45.was not paying my mum, so this will be a bit different, because
:37:46. > :37:58.obviously I be employing her. I think it is exciting. Before
:37:59. > :38:02.Wimbledon, as players and coaches gather in Brazil, the lack of
:38:03. > :38:07.visible women in the beautiful game is striking. Hillary Clinton has
:38:08. > :38:13.never been afraid of challenging those who think it is a man's world.
:38:14. > :38:17.As her new book promotes her leadership qualities, would anyone
:38:18. > :38:24.still be surprised if America's next president was a woman? The
:38:25. > :38:28.Conservatives can already boast having had a woman leader, and if
:38:29. > :38:32.Theresa May gets her way they may yet have another. But her gender
:38:33. > :38:40.seems far less relevant than her competence. So just how gender blind
:38:41. > :38:44.are we now in sport, culture and politics? Are we coming to a time
:38:45. > :38:52.where we no longer express surprise that a woman can do a better job
:38:53. > :38:56.than a man? We are joined by Annabel Croft. Welcome to the programme. Why
:38:57. > :39:03.was it such a big deal that Andy Murray chose a woman as his new
:39:04. > :39:07.coach? Because we have not seen it before with a top player in the
:39:08. > :39:11.world. It is extremely unusual, thinking outside the box, very left
:39:12. > :39:15.field. He has always done things a bit differently. He has been very
:39:16. > :39:21.clever with whom he has chosen to coach him. It has always been a
:39:22. > :39:26.success. It was very surprising. Many people have tweeted in and said
:39:27. > :39:30.it would not be this way if it was, why are we talking about it just
:39:31. > :39:35.because she is a woman. But we were equally intrigued when he chose his
:39:36. > :39:39.previous coach, and that was very interesting when he appointed him.
:39:40. > :39:42.It is a fascinating appointment, and I am more interested in why he chose
:39:43. > :39:47.her and what he wants to get out of her. He seems the only one who does
:39:48. > :39:53.not think it is a big deal, thinks it is quite normal. His mother has
:39:54. > :39:57.been such an influence in his tennis career and was a very good coach
:39:58. > :40:00.right at the beginning. She has been instrumental in guiding his career.
:40:01. > :40:06.He has enormous respect for his mother. This is a former world
:40:07. > :40:10.number one, former Wimbledon champion, Australian open champion.
:40:11. > :40:14.But something tells me he is after something other than tactics. He is
:40:15. > :40:20.one of the best tacticians in the game. He has said himself, may more
:40:21. > :40:26.sensitivity, the emotional side of things. It is intriguing. But maybe
:40:27. > :40:29.we should not be surprised because tennis is one of the few sports
:40:30. > :40:35.where the women's side of the game is just as popular as the men's
:40:36. > :40:38.side, and just as important and gets just as much coverage. Female tennis
:40:39. > :40:44.players are incredibly fortunate because it is thought of in equal
:40:45. > :40:51.terms. They make equal prize money. There was an argument for a while.
:40:52. > :40:56.Yes, but now it has equalled. At the end of the day, these things are on
:40:57. > :41:01.a business footing. If it sustains itself through the TV coverage, TV
:41:02. > :41:06.ratings, the sponsorship, that all has to be in place. When other
:41:07. > :41:10.sports look at gender issues, that would be my argument, as long as it
:41:11. > :41:16.backs up from a business point of view, that is fine. There are other
:41:17. > :41:23.sports where we are not so gender blind. Like what? Football. England
:41:24. > :41:31.has a successful women's team, more successful than the men, and you
:41:32. > :41:40.never hear of it. Why is that? You do hear of it. It is growing. I am
:41:41. > :41:45.more aware than I was before. I can only assume that until the ratings
:41:46. > :41:50.for the coverage come up, the business side will then slotted into
:41:51. > :41:59.place. I think the women's cricket team is also more successful than
:42:00. > :42:05.the men. Are we gender blind yet? Partly. In your package, we did not
:42:06. > :42:08.mention Angela Merkel. Angela Merkel has dominated European politics for
:42:09. > :42:14.eight years and probably will throw another three or four, and this is
:42:15. > :42:18.not commented upon. We were talking about junk at a moment ago and we
:42:19. > :42:22.know that the key figure in that decision is Angela Merkel. We have
:42:23. > :42:28.not had a British female Defence Secretary Lord Chancellor. We have
:42:29. > :42:34.the first female minister in the Ministry of Defence, and that is a
:42:35. > :42:38.breakthrough. I wish we did have gender blindness. We don't. If you
:42:39. > :42:48.look at the top FTSE 100 companies that do not have a single woman on
:42:49. > :42:54.their board, it is extraordinary. I understand that Andy Murray lost
:42:55. > :43:01.today at Queens. Did you watch? I didn't. Can we blame the coach? Not
:43:02. > :43:05.just yet. It is the second match she has watched. I am sure she will have
:43:06. > :43:11.plenty to say about it but we will not blame her yet. Only if he loses
:43:12. > :43:17.Wimbledon. I think he has a good chance to retain his title.
:43:18. > :43:20.That's your lot for tonight folks. But not for us,
:43:21. > :43:24.because it's British Values night at Lou Lou's and we're off to get
:43:25. > :43:27.legless, start a fight and spill chilli sauce and kebab meat down
:43:28. > :43:28.our shirts, like all true patriots. But we leave you tonight
:43:29. > :43:32.with some studs. No, not Alan and Michael.
:43:33. > :43:35.No, we leave you with a modern-day fairytale.
:43:36. > :43:37.Forget the princess and the pea, think the homeless man
:43:38. > :43:40.and the spike. Nighty-night, don't let
:43:41. > :44:19.the fact you have a nice warm bed and a roof over your head bite.
:44:20. > :44:23.I wish that love could come into my life.