:00:11. > :00:18.As the beloved sitcom Dad's Army marches onto the big screen,
:00:19. > :00:21.we're calling up volunteers to join the This Week Home Guard.
:00:22. > :00:23.Europe struggles to deal with the biggest migration crisis
:00:24. > :00:28.We look at the leadership - or lack of it - from
:00:29. > :00:36.Writer and commentator Douglas Murray is standing to attention.
:00:37. > :00:41.Who do you think you're kidding if you think the EU is going to be
:00:42. > :00:46.around for much longer? On the home front,
:00:47. > :00:48.Chancellor George Osborne and the Government come under attack
:00:49. > :00:51.over Google's tax deal. The BBC's James Landale
:00:52. > :01:02.has his privates on parade. Some MPs are wondering if George
:01:03. > :01:06.Osborne is getting more clumsy, more a captain mannering in a muddle than
:01:07. > :01:09.a steady bank manager for the nation.
:01:10. > :01:12.And as Dad's Army has its premiere in London this week,
:01:13. > :01:15.we look at how to keep in step with changing times,
:01:16. > :01:17.with light entertainment legend Bobby Davro!
:01:18. > :01:25.Come on Jones. Yes Mr Mainwaring. I'm going to be on This Week, and
:01:26. > :01:28.they like it up 'em. Evenin' all, welcome to This Week,
:01:29. > :01:38.a week in which the bien-pensants of our public discourse worked
:01:39. > :01:42.themselves into one of those self-righteous lathers
:01:43. > :01:45.at which they excel after Call-Me-Dave used PMQs
:01:46. > :01:48.to refer to the poor folks of the Calais Jungle Camp
:01:49. > :01:52.as a bunch of migrants. Cue instant outrage from everyone,
:01:53. > :01:55.especially those who've stayed curiously schtum about rather more
:01:56. > :01:57.serious events involving recent Everyone, that is, bar
:01:58. > :02:09.Comrade Corbyn, who didn't seem to realise just how offended
:02:10. > :02:11.he was supposed to be and spent the rest of the week
:02:12. > :02:14.burnishing his offence in a bid And, of course, by raising such
:02:15. > :02:18.a hue and cry they played right Because they didn't seem to notice
:02:19. > :02:23.that the PM's loose talk was one of those "spontaneous" retorts
:02:24. > :02:24.which he pre-scripts every And with his chosen successor,
:02:25. > :02:28.Boy George Osborne, on the ropes for hailing Google's handing over
:02:29. > :02:30.of a few luncheon vouchers and a small postal order in lieu
:02:31. > :02:34.of back-tax to HMRC as a "major success" the PM had to do
:02:35. > :02:37.the political equivalent of throwing Which he duly did, with his clumsy
:02:38. > :02:42.but contrived bunch Said bien pensants duly devoured it,
:02:43. > :02:49.while Google jumped on the private jet to Bermuda to stash away a few
:02:50. > :02:51.more tax-free billions and Boy George lived
:02:52. > :02:54.to fight another day. Save to observe how our political
:02:55. > :03:00.classes these days are much more comfortable obsessing
:03:01. > :03:04.about inappropriate language than devising policies which might
:03:05. > :03:06.actually improve the wellbeing Speaking of those who always get
:03:07. > :03:14.the wrong end of the stick, I'm joined on the sofa tonight
:03:15. > :03:17.by two good reasons to go to bed. Think of them as the 'Netflix and
:03:18. > :03:24.Chill' of late-night political chat. I'm told that means something I
:03:25. > :03:28.didn't realise. I speak, of course, of
:03:29. > :03:43.Caroline Flint and #sadmanonatrain This week brought the death of Cecil
:03:44. > :03:49.Parkinson and my former boss. He was doing very well indeed until he was
:03:50. > :03:54.involved in a sex scandal. Many people would have the idea that
:03:55. > :03:59.Margaret Thatcher was a prude. But this was rather liberal on sexual
:04:00. > :04:05.matters. She was surrounded by gay people amongst her advisers. Did she
:04:06. > :04:09.know? Yes, she knew. When Cecil said he was involved in this scandal she
:04:10. > :04:16.appointed him to the Cabinet after the 1983 election. Obviously it
:04:17. > :04:20.brought his career down. I never heard him whinge about it and it is
:04:21. > :04:27.a good lesson that you just live with your mistakes. And get on with
:04:28. > :04:33.it. Caroline? It's been quite a serious week, so my moment of the
:04:34. > :04:37.week was supporting my colleague Toby perk inlaunching a petition to
:04:38. > :04:42.have a national anthem for England. When it comes to the sporting events
:04:43. > :04:47.Wales have theirs, and Scotland. We have God Save The Queen. Nothing
:04:48. > :04:52.wrong with that, but we feel we should have a national anthem. If
:04:53. > :04:57.any viewers want to have a debate, do so. Maybe we could sing Jerusalem
:04:58. > :05:04.or Land of Hope and Glory if we win... Do you like Jerusalem? I like
:05:05. > :05:10.Jerusalem... So do I. But people have been saying Land of Hope and
:05:11. > :05:15.Glory. And you save God Save The Queen for whenner the United
:05:16. > :05:21.Kingdom. In Murrayfield they play flower of Scotland and then God Save
:05:22. > :05:28.The Queen, which jars. Yum is about England, whereas Land of Hope and
:05:29. > :05:52.Glory is about the island. So yum, get on to the petition.
:05:53. > :05:54.This week we've seen political leaders across Europe continue
:05:55. > :05:57.to struggle with the ongoing migrant crisis, with fresh border controls
:05:58. > :05:59.sprinting up everywhere, the fate of Schengen in the balance,
:06:00. > :06:01.Germany and Sweden starting to deport tens of thousands
:06:02. > :06:04.of failed asylum seekers, even plans to cut Greece off
:06:05. > :06:05.by closing its border with Macedonia.
:06:06. > :06:08.So, is the European Union at risk of falling apart?
:06:09. > :06:11.Writer Douglas Murray thinks so, so we sent him back to the time
:06:12. > :06:16.MUSIC: Arrival of the Queen of Sheba, by Handel.
:06:17. > :06:18.This week we've talked about red doors, removing migrants' belongings
:06:19. > :06:21.in Denmark and whether the Prime Minister should have used the word.
:06:22. > :06:24.But we're no closer to talking about the thing that really matters,
:06:25. > :06:27.politicians seem to be tearing themselves apart about the EU
:06:28. > :06:40.but at this rate the EU may not even be around in 2017.
:06:41. > :06:44.The free movement of peoples is over.
:06:45. > :06:47.Germany and Sweden are talking about expelling tens of thousands
:06:48. > :06:50.of people, and politicians seem willing to blame absolutely
:06:51. > :07:00.Politicians are trying to follow public opinion.
:07:01. > :07:05.But public opinion is notoriously fickle.
:07:06. > :07:09.Last year there seemed to be only political capital to be gained
:07:10. > :07:12.from being open hearted and generous towards anyone who wanted to come
:07:13. > :07:18.But after the attacks in Paris, New Year's Eve in Cologne
:07:19. > :07:21.and a spate of rapes and murders in Sweden,
:07:22. > :07:37.Our politicians still talk ever closer union, but across Europe
:07:38. > :07:41.the borders are going back up, people are retreating back
:07:42. > :07:43.into their nation states and the whole EU project
:07:44. > :07:55.Even the European Commission's Vice-President this week admitted
:07:56. > :08:06.that most of the people who came into Europe in the last year are not
:08:07. > :08:08.asylum seekers and ought not to be here.
:08:09. > :08:11.All across Europe people sense that our identities are at risk.
:08:12. > :08:13.Only two things really matter with immigration -
:08:14. > :08:15.the speed at which it happens and who is coming.
:08:16. > :08:19.The speed in Europe in recent years has been far too fast and there's
:08:20. > :08:22.now a general realisation that a lot of the people coming are never
:08:23. > :08:34.The absurdity of all this is that whilst these huge movements
:08:35. > :08:38.are going on across our Continent David Cameron and other
:08:39. > :08:41.politicians in Europe are quibbling about minor issues
:08:42. > :08:49.Like some character in a children's cartoon, the EU's legs
:08:50. > :08:55.The problem is it doesn't seem to realise it has already run
:08:56. > :09:03.From Dennis Severs' house, where visitors' imaginations
:09:04. > :09:05.are the canvas, to a complete void of imagination here in Westminster,
:09:06. > :09:19.I take your point, even the French Prime Minister said that the EU is
:09:20. > :09:21.in grave danger. But why won't the EU economist by
:09:22. > :09:26.in grave danger. But why won't the EU economist -- exist by 2017? The
:09:27. > :09:31.EU has gone through the eurozone crisis in recent years and it has
:09:32. > :09:35.just about survived. It is likely to stagger through another set of
:09:36. > :09:42.crises in years ahead. But the other block of the EU is this issue of
:09:43. > :09:47.ever-closer political union, and that's not possible any more.
:09:48. > :09:51.Everyone is going the opposite way. The borders across Europe are going
:09:52. > :09:57.up. People are relying on their own nation states, not on the EU. That's
:09:58. > :10:03.different from the EU not falling apart. Isn't this an example of the
:10:04. > :10:07.British Euro-sceptics, you always underestimate the ability of the EU
:10:08. > :10:15.to muddle through? Yes, there is that law of nature that says that
:10:16. > :10:20.things that cannot go on won't. The EU shows there's a version of this
:10:21. > :10:24.that's true, things that cannot go on often do. The migration crisis,
:10:25. > :10:28.I've travelled around Europe in the last couple of years watching this.
:10:29. > :10:34.The migration crisis seems to be representing a different problem. It
:10:35. > :10:38.is bigger than the eurozone crisis. Even if Douglas is over-egging it a
:10:39. > :10:44.bit, the referendum is probably going a be fought against a backdrop
:10:45. > :10:46.of crisis of failure, from Europe the Schengen. That doesn't help
:10:47. > :10:53.people like the Schengen. That doesn't help
:10:54. > :10:59.people -- like you who want to stay in. Particularly in this last year,
:11:00. > :11:03.and in some ways the fact that countries are reinstating their
:11:04. > :11:07.borders I suppose some people would see that as a weakness but that's
:11:08. > :11:11.recognising that the European Union, we are not part of Schengen for
:11:12. > :11:17.example, the European Union can exist while acknowledging the role
:11:18. > :11:21.of the nation state as well. I do believe, but you are right Andrew,
:11:22. > :11:25.there are lots of good reasons why we should stay in the European
:11:26. > :11:30.Union. The backdrop of this problem that we are facing throughout the
:11:31. > :11:34.European Union in terms of migration and beyond, undoubtedly will be part
:11:35. > :11:41.of that backdrop to the debate. Some of them are incredible. Hungary has
:11:42. > :11:46.built a fence on its border. Denmark is demanding that people hand over
:11:47. > :11:54.their assets when they arrive. Cuddly socially democratic Sweden is
:11:55. > :12:01.going to deport 80,000 asylum seefrjts new border controls, even
:12:02. > :12:06.on the bridge between Copenhagen and Malmo, the most potent symbol of a
:12:07. > :12:12.borderless EU. Maybe the EU dream is in tatters. I'm a big fan of the
:12:13. > :12:16.bridge. You said about deporting asylum seekers. From what I
:12:17. > :12:21.understand where the Swedes have been interviewing people they found
:12:22. > :12:25.45% of people weren't actually what they defined as legitimate asylum
:12:26. > :12:28.seekers. So there's a big issue and part of the problem is how across
:12:29. > :12:33.the European Union, and Greece is part of this, do we make sure that
:12:34. > :12:36.we separate out the people who are involved in organised crime, people
:12:37. > :12:40.who are just coming here who may have been kicked out before, and
:12:41. > :12:46.make sure that we are sensitive, which we have to be, to those
:12:47. > :12:53.vulnerable people. Good luck to Sweden who want to deport 80,000. If
:12:54. > :12:58.the European Commission is correct in saying that 60% of the people
:12:59. > :13:04.coming here in the last year ought not to be here. That means that
:13:05. > :13:07.Germany now has to deport three quarters of a million people. Nobody
:13:08. > :13:12.can possibly think that Germany is going to do that. Michael it is
:13:13. > :13:15.clear that EU is in some sort of crisis, maybe the most serious
:13:16. > :13:20.crisis of its existence. But is it terminal? It is certainly
:13:21. > :13:24.fundamental. I see an emerging disagreement between people like Mrs
:13:25. > :13:27.Merkel who think we should be admitting large numbers of
:13:28. > :13:32.immigrants, and others in south-eastern Europe who take the
:13:33. > :13:38.view that immigration must be opposed if for no other reason to
:13:39. > :13:47.stop further cultural diversity. There is an idea that the EU ought
:13:48. > :13:53.to be a subset of Christendom. That's been prevalent in Germany and
:13:54. > :13:57.France. And the Polish Government. I said south-east Europe. That's why
:13:58. > :14:02.over the years we never admitted Turkey. And the second thing is the
:14:03. > :14:06.way in which the EU reverts the bullying tactics when things get
:14:07. > :14:12.difficult. There's been bullying of various countries to take in a
:14:13. > :14:14.difficult. There's been bullying of various countries to take in -- a
:14:15. > :14:19.number of imgrants. Greece is on its knees because it is part of the
:14:20. > :14:22.euro. Greece is unfortunately positioned geographically so it
:14:23. > :14:27.receives vast numbers of refugees and it has been told it is to blame
:14:28. > :14:30.for this crisis, and a fence may be built between it and Macedonia so
:14:31. > :14:34.the immigrants don't move out of Greece. It takes you to the heart of
:14:35. > :14:41.the lack of democracy in the European Union. The Prime Minister
:14:42. > :14:47.is going to trumpet that he has a new deal. Isn't the blunt truth that
:14:48. > :14:51.nothing he is going to bring back will address or be involved with any
:14:52. > :14:57.of these really serious issues that now face Europe? The most notable
:14:58. > :15:01.demand he is making is about the payment of benefits to European
:15:02. > :15:05.Union citizens who've arrived in this country and are unemployed.
:15:06. > :15:08.That has nothing to do with what is presently going on, which is
:15:09. > :15:16.literally millions of people entering from beyond the European
:15:17. > :15:22.Union with demands at the moment in abeyance, that we should take great
:15:23. > :15:30.quotas of people. Germany made a decision to take vast numbers.
:15:31. > :15:36.?LINEBREAK Is there a chance that a strong Franco German lead could pull
:15:37. > :15:39.it around? No. I know all of the people invested in the Europe
:15:40. > :15:43.project. I can't see a way through this particular crisis. I give you
:15:44. > :15:48.an example. About the people coming in themselves, there is a massive
:15:49. > :15:51.amount of miss information and misguided ideas about this. But
:15:52. > :15:55.actually, people don't know who is coming in. If you go to the points
:15:56. > :16:02.of entry, there is no working system to work out who is coming in. Even
:16:03. > :16:05.Angela Merkel realises this. After Cologne, the Angela Merkel
:16:06. > :16:15.government said they don't want people coming with 21st century
:16:16. > :16:20.Europe views on women's rights. Last year, after allowing 1.1 million
:16:21. > :16:26.people in, they said maybe they don't want more anti-somites in
:16:27. > :16:32.Germany. A very strange thing in Germany, because of Holocaust guilt,
:16:33. > :16:37.among other thing, Germany has now imported more anti-somites than it
:16:38. > :16:40.has for decades. It does not know if they are anti-somites or detest
:16:41. > :16:45.women, it does not even know where most of the people come from. It
:16:46. > :16:49.does not know their names. There is no workable system. The EU is to
:16:50. > :16:53.blame. Looking at the political fallout,
:16:54. > :16:59.right-wing, quite hard in some cases, are now in power, on the rise
:17:00. > :17:04.in Hungary, #30e8d, Finland, Denmark, France, even Sweden. The
:17:05. > :17:07.hard left is doing well in Greece, Spain, Portugal. Are you sure a good
:17:08. > :17:14.social Democrat like you still wants to be a member of this club? I do
:17:15. > :17:19.think what the European Union provides in terms of trade and other
:17:20. > :17:24.things that we enjoy in terms of sharing and tackling crime, that is
:17:25. > :17:28.still a big issue, I think we have demonstrated we can have our own
:17:29. > :17:32.borders here in the UK, that is something that other states are
:17:33. > :17:36.looking at. It does not mean it is the end of the EU.
:17:37. > :17:41.What about Schengen? Maybe around that.
:17:42. > :17:46.Sevenenen was shot the moment Paris happened in November. What Michael
:17:47. > :17:50.said, you said about democracy, and bullying everyone, I think when they
:17:51. > :17:56.looked at the map of the EU it is all very well to have open borders
:17:57. > :18:01.but what they never gave attention to was the external border in places
:18:02. > :18:08.like Greece and elsewhere. They have not got, clearly, the resources to
:18:09. > :18:12.deal with what is happening. But it is lamentably badly policed.
:18:13. > :18:17.And idea of free movement within them. As for the idea whether it has
:18:18. > :18:21.knock-on effects for our membership in the EU, people say they don't
:18:22. > :18:28.have a problem with leaving a burning building, most do. But there
:18:29. > :18:32.is more of an innocent I have to leave a burning building but if it
:18:33. > :18:38.turns out that most of the people leaving are the arsonists.
:18:39. > :18:45.In a year, will we be in or out of the EU? I think we will be scared
:18:46. > :18:51.into it. I think so, yes. I think we are staying in. But it still does
:18:52. > :18:54.not see us solving the problem we are seeing happening across Europe.
:18:55. > :18:57.Now it's late, McDonald's All-Day Breakfast late,
:18:58. > :19:00.so put down the Egg McMuffin and pour yourself another Blue Nun.
:19:01. > :19:02.You're going to need it, because waiting in the wings,
:19:03. > :19:04.Bobby Davro is here to talk about the turbulence
:19:05. > :19:06.on the Shanghai Composite Index and yield spread between
:19:07. > :19:10.And if you believe that, you'll believe anything -
:19:11. > :19:12.on The Twitter, The Fleecebook, The MySpace reunited,
:19:13. > :19:15.the What's Up Doc, The Spy Glass, and Gordon Brown's
:19:16. > :19:25.Now, a new Banksy was 'thrown up' on the streets of London this week.
:19:26. > :19:28.Criticising the apparent use of teargas on people in the Calais
:19:29. > :19:31."Jungle" camp, the mural - based on a poster for musical
:19:32. > :19:34.Les Miserables - showed a girl with tears in her eyes as a can
:19:35. > :19:38.It was painted in Knightsbridge, opposite the French Embassy,
:19:39. > :19:40.but it wasn't long before building developers covered up the piece,
:19:41. > :19:44.No doubt the developers will soon be auctioning off the artwork
:19:45. > :19:49.and giving all the proceeds to a charity in Calais.
:19:50. > :19:52.So we decided to turn to another world famous street artist -
:19:53. > :19:55.the mysterious 'Landsy' - who's busy working on his latest
:19:56. > :19:57.project at the 'Graffik Gallery street art workshop' in Ladbroke
:19:58. > :20:18.This is his roundup of the political week.
:20:19. > :20:28.Landsy, to call him an artist is almost to insult him. He is a poet,
:20:29. > :20:35.annage tarter, a fill as for, a man who drops bombs on the imagination
:20:36. > :20:40.that reverberate around the world. Landsy is the name, this is my game.
:20:41. > :20:46.Working in the shadows, popping up to do jobs here and there, avoiding
:20:47. > :20:51.the authorities the best that I can. A bit like Google, really. Google
:20:52. > :20:56.has paid little tax in the UKs. But this week coughed up a cheque for
:20:57. > :21:01.?130 million. A major success said George Osborne, others said no, just
:21:02. > :21:05.3% on the UK profits, as the row grew, the Chancellor bunked off,
:21:06. > :21:10.leaving his junior minister to face the flak. The minister says that the
:21:11. > :21:15.deal does not amount to a 3% tax rate for Google. So for the sake of
:21:16. > :21:23.public confidence, can you say what the tax rate is. Good question.
:21:24. > :21:31.No... Because of taxpayer confident shalt... This row could cut up rough
:21:32. > :21:35.for the Tories. If it creates the image of a party supporting friends
:21:36. > :21:43.in big business, while making the rest of us pay in taxes. Some
:21:44. > :21:46.wonder, George Osborne is using his political edge, certainly, Jeremy
:21:47. > :21:52.Corbyn had sharp questions to ask. Why is there one rule for big
:21:53. > :21:57.multinational companies, and another for ordinary small businesses and
:21:58. > :22:02.self-employed workers? The Prime Minister was in a bit of a hole, so
:22:03. > :22:07.he came out fighting. Saying Labour had collected no tax from Google
:22:08. > :22:11.while it was in office and attacked the party leadership with language
:22:12. > :22:17.that not all like. They met with the unions, they gave
:22:18. > :22:21.them flying pickets. They met with the Argentinians, they gave them the
:22:22. > :22:26.Falklands. They met with a bunch of migrants in Calais, they said that
:22:27. > :22:33.they could come to Britain. The only people they never stood up for, was
:22:34. > :22:37.the British people and hard working taxpayers.
:22:38. > :22:40.Now, Labour said that "bunch migrants" was inproto-Pre-Budget
:22:41. > :22:46.Report. Why did David Cameron use it? Was he distracting from the
:22:47. > :22:52.Google row, or revealing his inner flashman? Certainly, Calais was not
:22:53. > :22:59.only on the minds of politicians. My rival, a chap called Banksy, you may
:23:00. > :23:02.have heard of him. Did a throw up on the French embassy, criticising the
:23:03. > :23:06.French government for apparently using tear gas in Calais. David
:23:07. > :23:10.Cameron thinks that Labour's open immigration policy would attract
:23:11. > :23:15.more people to Calais, tear gas or not. Some MPs think had is spraying
:23:16. > :23:18.this language about migrants to contrast Labour's position with the
:23:19. > :23:27.immigration controls that the Prime Minister is hoping to negotiate as
:23:28. > :23:32.part of his I reform. The landscape and urban
:23:33. > :23:35.enenvironment is bankis's authenticity, he does not need
:23:36. > :23:41.museums and gal ruchings he speaks of the truth of the people, not the
:23:42. > :23:44.establishment. Perhaps the biggest obstacle to
:23:45. > :23:49.David Cameron getting a deal on EU reform is the refugee crisis. Today
:23:50. > :23:55.the government offered to take in a few more children. If EU leaders are
:23:56. > :24:00.spending time focussing on refugees, they may not have enough time to
:24:01. > :24:05.agree a deal on reform. Downing Street have pencilled in a date for
:24:06. > :24:08.the referendum in June but Nicola, Queen of Scots warned against going
:24:09. > :24:14.for an early poll. The Scottish election is in May,
:24:15. > :24:20.indeed, the Welsh, Northern Irish and London elections are in May. To
:24:21. > :24:26.have a referendum campaign starting in parallel is disrespectful to the
:24:27. > :24:30.important elections. The truth is that no-one knows when
:24:31. > :24:35.the referendum is going to take place. When it does, perhaps Lord
:24:36. > :24:39.Rose, the man in charge of the campaign to stay in the EU will
:24:40. > :24:47.remember the name of the organisation he leads, or at least
:24:48. > :24:53.have no nor blackouts. I'm the chairman of Ocado, sorry,
:24:54. > :25:00.I'll stay in Britain... I will start again. I'm chairman Rose, I'm chair
:25:01. > :25:04.of the stay in Britain campaign. So, at the end of a curious week at
:25:05. > :25:08.Westminster, where there was a sense that everything was on hold, waiting
:25:09. > :25:17.for the European debate to begin in earnest.
:25:18. > :25:23.But one thing you don't have to wait for, is another Landsy throw-up! The
:25:24. > :25:32.latest work, I can tell you it will be iconic. It captures the
:25:33. > :25:34.Zeitgiest, the signature speaking of religion, the trade, the
:25:35. > :25:42.industrialisation of the western world. Landsy is an artist to be
:25:43. > :25:49.spoken about in the same breath as Picasso, mat year, and Andy Warhol.
:25:50. > :25:57.He is a genius. Landsy in his workshop at the
:25:58. > :26:02.Graffik Gallery on Portobello Road with absolutely no artistic
:26:03. > :26:12.assistant from the fantastic Jay Jamil. Welcome back Miranda.
:26:13. > :26:15.Not been a great week for Chancellor George Osborne?
:26:16. > :26:17.Was it another political misjudgement for George Osborne
:26:18. > :26:24.to take to twitter to claim that this deal
:26:25. > :26:31.Why has George Osborne been getting this wrong? Obviously the remark
:26:32. > :26:35.about Google was a big error. He politicised the deal when he did
:26:36. > :26:41.that? This is broader than this. This is the sort of thing that makes
:26:42. > :26:45.people really indignant. This lies behind the Donald Trump phenomena.
:26:46. > :26:49.When people feel that the system is rigged for rich people and the
:26:50. > :26:54.people in power, they get very, very narked. Yes, for the moment, George
:26:55. > :26:58.Osborne is in the firing line but it is more important than that. It is
:26:59. > :27:02.that capitalism is despised by the people meant to support it.
:27:03. > :27:09.Caroline, it is an open goal for Labour. They have taken, rightly,
:27:10. > :27:13.advantage of it. But for the caveat that the reason that Google paid so
:27:14. > :27:17.little tax until now is because of the tax regime it agreed with the
:27:18. > :27:23.last Labour government. I accept that. There is something about these
:27:24. > :27:27.big firms, don't Forget about Google and some big online companies, for
:27:28. > :27:32.quite a while, some of them were not making that much money it is only
:27:33. > :27:37.recently that Twitter has paid adverts and trading and the same for
:27:38. > :27:43.Facebook, I am not using it as an excuse but also at the time before
:27:44. > :27:46.the crash, we were getting something like ?40 billion of revenue from
:27:47. > :27:51.financial services, when the crash happened, that crashed as well.
:27:52. > :27:55.Then, of course, looking around at what else was happening in the terms
:27:56. > :28:00.of the tax take became more important. The fact is we have had
:28:01. > :28:05.ten years and at the end of the ten years the question that people are
:28:06. > :28:10.asking themselves is: Is this deal worth it? The commentators, the
:28:11. > :28:14.public are right to question the amount of money that they are
:28:15. > :28:20.paying. I don't think it is enough at all.
:28:21. > :28:23.Michael is right is adds to the populist uprising against big
:28:24. > :28:27.business and the main parties. You could take the view that the last
:28:28. > :28:33.Labour government, the coalition government, this government have not
:28:34. > :28:38.been up to the task of ensuring that Google, Apple, Amazon, even Vodafone
:28:39. > :28:43.have paid their share? The point is well made and after the crash, they
:28:44. > :28:50.have now had to go after the other sectors more aggressively. But it is
:28:51. > :28:55.worth remembering the famous Mandelson quote, he went on to say
:28:56. > :29:00.as long as they paid their taxes. It has to be those two things for the
:29:01. > :29:05.populous to feel comfortable. Michael is right to read a bigger
:29:06. > :29:09.anti-elite message into this. There must be people who feel as I
:29:10. > :29:15.do, that you feel like a chump if you pay the right amount of tax. You
:29:16. > :29:17.feel very, very stupid you do that. For most of us, there is no place to
:29:18. > :29:22.hide. Exactly.
:29:23. > :29:27.And the Prime Minister of policy reform in Downing Street, he was
:29:28. > :29:31.interesting this week on the BBC but the lobbying power of the big
:29:32. > :29:36.companies. Politicians, they, certainly in the early day, they
:29:37. > :29:40.loved to be associated with Google, Apple it was all modern and
:29:41. > :29:46.forward-looking and we are paying a price? It is all about being cool.
:29:47. > :29:51.Moving with the movers and the shakers. This is the future.
:29:52. > :29:56.Actually, part of the problem with some of that as well, it is a
:29:57. > :30:00.problem we are dealing with as a country, we were thinking that
:30:01. > :30:05.globalisation was great. It would work for us, in the last Labour
:30:06. > :30:09.government we thought that but we forgot that most people in these
:30:10. > :30:13.communities are not working with these companies. They felt left
:30:14. > :30:19.behind. They have been left behind. Yes,
:30:20. > :30:26.they have. 27 meetings with officials with Google, one was given
:30:27. > :30:31.a tsar job. It is not right. Last year 18 million people did not have
:30:32. > :30:36.their telephone call answered by. MRC. If they cannot answer the call
:30:37. > :30:40.to the British public, 18 million but they can spare time for a deal
:30:41. > :30:44.that nobody thinks is a good deal, there is something wrong.
:30:45. > :30:48.We are all beating up on the deal but from the left and from the
:30:49. > :30:55.right, from the position of complete ignorance? We don't know the basis
:30:56. > :30:58.on which the deal has been made. Tomorrow's economist, way at the
:30:59. > :31:03.back of the magazine reveals that the ?130 million is on top of ?120
:31:04. > :31:09.million that has been paid by Google. I have never seen that
:31:10. > :31:14.anywhere before. So that takes the total to ?250 million. We still
:31:15. > :31:21.don't know if it is enough, we have know idea of the basis on which HMRC
:31:22. > :31:24.settled, and what the options are. Maybe it is a good thing for the
:31:25. > :31:31.European Commission to look at it. Probably so. You are right about the
:31:32. > :31:36.lack of transparency, Caroline asked this question, rightly at PMQs on
:31:37. > :31:41.the issue but the idea that Google can say that they don't have anyone
:31:42. > :31:46.working in the UK, on any activities, they have a bid to build
:31:47. > :31:51.a huge ?1 billion headquarters in Central London! It will be a pop-up
:31:52. > :31:55.headquarters! It will not be permanent. Gone the next day. They
:31:56. > :32:01.have more saleses people working in the UK than Ireland.
:32:02. > :32:06.And a very good point. The department of industry, basically
:32:07. > :32:10.exist to have a relationship with big companies and so national
:32:11. > :32:14.policy-making is completely distorted by the relationship. Some
:32:15. > :32:19.of these things are to do with tax, some are to do with contracts, where
:32:20. > :32:24.they are placed, and others to do with foreign policy. The country's
:32:25. > :32:29.foreign policy towards Saudi Arabia is determined by the relationship of
:32:30. > :32:33.BAEE, so there are really big issues.
:32:34. > :32:40.The key issue going forward is whether there are rules now in place
:32:41. > :32:46.that ensure these global hi-tech companies will now pay a proper rate
:32:47. > :32:50.of tax? Will pay the same rate of tax that domestically based British
:32:51. > :32:57.companies pay. I'm not sure that they are.
:32:58. > :33:05.We've got the diverted profits tax. I think the EU are looking at this
:33:06. > :33:09.as well, but the headlines of this is what you have traded, this is
:33:10. > :33:14.your profit and this is what you have paid. That would be helpful.
:33:15. > :33:19.Particularly multinationals who are trading all over, they should be
:33:20. > :33:25.forced to say what was their revenue in this country, what was their
:33:26. > :33:32.profit in this country, and what tax they paid. And it would then be much
:33:33. > :33:38.easier to pin them down on these ridiculous claims like for example
:33:39. > :33:46.they should not be taxed on activities they carry out here. One
:33:47. > :33:49.idea is that HMRC hadn't on challenged them. It is an
:33:50. > :33:58.interesting case. The European Commission at the moment is looking
:33:59. > :34:03.into the deal that Apple did with Ireland, it is Holland, Luxembourg
:34:04. > :34:08.and Belgium who've done all these deals which have stopped us from
:34:09. > :34:13.getting these tax. They could be up for 8 billion. On the left and right
:34:14. > :34:17.there wouldn't be complaints about that. We learn that the Prime
:34:18. > :34:23.Minister may have done a deal to get his four-year of no in-work welfare
:34:24. > :34:29.payments for migrants who come to this country, except that to use
:34:30. > :34:35.that as a break he needs to get a majority of the other 27 members of
:34:36. > :34:41.the EU to implement it for a short period of time. I would suggest that
:34:42. > :34:45.the Euro-sceptics will be raising a glass of Blue Nun if that's all
:34:46. > :34:50.these managed to get. He set out with four points. Three of which are
:34:51. > :34:55.pretty risible because they don't require any agreement really. One of
:34:56. > :34:59.them is this point about paying benefits to EU migrants. I don't
:35:00. > :35:05.know whether there's going a be a deal and I don't know who is going
:35:06. > :35:13.to vote or who isn't. But the point to hold on to is this is a complete
:35:14. > :35:17.irrelevance. It must be doing him a lot of damage in his credibility of
:35:18. > :35:20.other leaders. While they are wrestling with something that's
:35:21. > :35:25.monstrous, huge, the end of the European Union, he is coming up with
:35:26. > :35:31.this tiny point about paying benefits to EU citizens. We have to
:35:32. > :35:34.leave it there. Miranda, good to see you, we've missed you.
:35:35. > :35:38.When spare bedrooms went un-taxed - and victims of domestic violence
:35:39. > :35:40.and carers of mentally and physically disabled children
:35:41. > :35:45.weren't pursued through the courts by the Government?
:35:46. > :35:51.And the Common Market was a beacon of economic growth and prosperity.
:35:52. > :35:54.Happy days - and that's why we're putting 'how times change' in this
:35:55. > :36:08.Throughout history young people have questioned the values held by their
:36:09. > :36:11.parents. A Tory politician from a different era former Thatcher
:36:12. > :36:16.favourite Cecil Parkinson passed away this week. In 1983 he was
:36:17. > :36:19.forced to resign from the Cabinet after it was revealed that his
:36:20. > :36:23.former secretary was carrying his child. Would we expect a married MP
:36:24. > :36:28.to do the same these days? Times certainly change, a survey this week
:36:29. > :36:32.claimed kids now spend more time online than watching television. Who
:36:33. > :36:39.knows what they'll make of the new cinematic reboot of Dad's Army,
:36:40. > :36:47.which premiered this week. A 1970s sitcom loved by those who remembered
:36:48. > :36:53.the real Home Guard. Should we blame the parents? Pyjamas in public would
:36:54. > :37:02.have been unthinkable once upon a time but a Darlington eacher asked
:37:03. > :37:09.parents to ditch the nightmare. REPORTER: You don't think it sets a
:37:10. > :37:14.wrong example? I don't think so. TV's Bobby Davro was acceptable in
:37:15. > :37:19.the 1980s but whether it is policies or entertainment you have to adapt
:37:20. > :37:24.to survive. What exactly do you know about this bargain hunting lark?
:37:25. > :37:32.Absolutely nothing. This week, proof that telly was always better in the
:37:33. > :37:36.good old days. And we are joined by Bobby Davro. We are going to talk
:37:37. > :37:41.about changing times. But let's get on to the seminal debate this week
:37:42. > :37:44.which puts everything n to the seminal debate this week which puts
:37:45. > :37:48.everything else into a corner - should you wear pyjamas on the
:37:49. > :37:52.school run or in public? A Darlington head teacher wrote to
:37:53. > :38:00.parents to say we don't like you to do that. Pyjamas fine but my giraffe
:38:01. > :38:05.onesie I don't think is visible. I took my youngest child to school
:38:06. > :38:10.today and I wore my dressing gown over my jeans. Why? I didn't get out
:38:11. > :38:19.of the car. She's so embarrassed by me I have to park around the corner.
:38:20. > :38:28.I I don't think anything of it. I think you should get dressed when
:38:29. > :38:32.taking your kids to school. Does it matter if you don't get out of the
:38:33. > :38:39.car? Yes it matters. The child knows. A tyre might burst. I was
:38:40. > :38:45.stopped in my dressing gown by armed police once. You made your name in
:38:46. > :38:53.the 1980s. You got massive audiences. Over 10 million viewers.
:38:54. > :39:02.More than 10 million. Would it be fair to say people don't want stale
:39:03. > :39:09.of entertainment any more? They should bring back entertainment for
:39:10. > :39:16.performers of my era, Still Live at the Apollo. Russ Abbot and people
:39:17. > :39:24.like myself were doing comedy sketch shows and Saturday Night and Friday
:39:25. > :39:27.Night Live were doing their programmes and we couldn't compete.
:39:28. > :39:31.I had 8 years of Saturday night social worker at the same time. Did
:39:32. > :39:36.you try to change with the times, or did you think, I've had my time and
:39:37. > :39:41.it has moved on to something I don't do? Not at all. I had a platform to
:39:42. > :39:47.do my stuff. The thing I find frustrating is that I'm still keen
:39:48. > :39:53.on and ambitious and I'm still contemporary, but unfortunately they
:39:54. > :39:59.put you in a box and say, you belong in the '80s. Is that because people
:40:00. > :40:04.think that what you did in the '80s they would now find unacceptable? I
:40:05. > :40:09.do come di clubs now with a lot of the young comedians and the
:40:10. > :40:16.youngster Haas come, my children's age group, in their 20s, they have
:40:17. > :40:20.forgotten what jokes are, because most of the comedy now is
:40:21. > :40:24.observational. It is quite brave to put money into making a movie of
:40:25. > :40:29.Dad's Army don't you think? I haven't seen it yet. It is very
:40:30. > :40:36.brave, because it is such an iconic bunch of characters. I used to do
:40:37. > :40:40.them back in the '80s. It is great they've given a chance to bring it
:40:41. > :40:45.out there to the youngsters. You are a big fan of Dad's Army. I love
:40:46. > :40:51.Dad's Army. It is a brave thing to do, because we have a mind'sy image
:40:52. > :40:57.of it, a younger generation it means nothing. My children when they had
:40:58. > :41:01.it back on again, when you've lived a long time some perhaps come back
:41:02. > :41:05.and you can see Dad's Army on the TV I think today. But it is pretty
:41:06. > :41:11.brave. I love going to the cinema, so I will see it. From what I've
:41:12. > :41:16.heard, it has got good reviews and they've got a great cast. They've
:41:17. > :41:21.got a brilliant cast. They did a documentary recently, the Making of
:41:22. > :41:27.Dad's Army, and John Sessions played Captain Mainwaring. He was superb.
:41:28. > :41:36.Interesting to see if it plays abroad. Speaking of changing times,
:41:37. > :41:40.would Cecil Parkinson, if what happened was repeated today, would
:41:41. > :41:45.he still have to resign, would his Cabinet career be over? I think it
:41:46. > :41:50.would actually. What made him resign in the end, it was that Sarah Keys
:41:51. > :41:54.kept filling the newspapers with extra stuff. It was so
:41:55. > :41:59.distrancting... And her father got involved. He couldn't do his job any
:42:00. > :42:04.more, because he spent his entire time responding. That would happen,
:42:05. > :42:08.the appetite of the media to take the next phase of the story until
:42:09. > :42:15.the Minister was brought down. It would be the same. Bobby, is it true
:42:16. > :42:20.that Tony Blair booked you for Cherie's 60th birthday? Yes, a
:42:21. > :42:28.friend of a friend. The and the great thing is I'm not a political
:42:29. > :42:34.Impressionist like Rory Bremner. I did John John Major. Basically it
:42:35. > :42:39.was Jools Holland slowed down. And I found I could do Tony Blair. When I
:42:40. > :42:43.introduced myself as Tony Blair, he was standing behind Cherie and I
:42:44. > :42:48.said, now a few words from our sponsor and host Tony Blair. The
:42:49. > :42:55.they looked to Tony and I said, ladies and gentlemen, it is great to
:42:56. > :43:00.have you here, we couldn't afford him, so we've got Bobby Davro. And
:43:01. > :43:06.you are touring the country? I am indeed.
:43:07. > :43:09.That's your lot for tonight folks - but not for us,
:43:10. > :43:10.because it's tax-free night at Lou Lou's -
:43:11. > :43:12.if you fancy tagging along, just Google the address.
:43:13. > :43:14.But we leave you tonight with Shirley Williams,
:43:15. > :43:16.who retired today from Parliament, with a valedictory speech.
:43:17. > :43:22.First elected to the House of Commons in 1964, a member
:43:23. > :43:26.of the House of Lords since 1993, she even found the time to become
:43:27. > :43:32.a regular on the This Week sofa over the years.
:43:33. > :43:34.The Palace of Westminster won't be the same without her.
:43:35. > :43:42.Nighty-night, don't let Shirl the Girl bite.
:43:43. > :43:50.Well, I'm retiring partly because I have in front of me my right
:43:51. > :43:57.honourable and noble friend Lord Steel who may have passed a recent
:43:58. > :44:01.reform of the House of Lords which enabled someone like me to retire.
:44:02. > :44:06.It wasn't intended. Well, I have to say at least it had the advantage of
:44:07. > :44:11.my not having to lose my capacities entirely before I departed from the
:44:12. > :44:15.House of Lords. Very to say to my fellow politicians, why can't you
:44:16. > :44:19.get together and propose regardless of party ways in which we can
:44:20. > :44:23.sustain the NHS over many years? Because it is one of the great
:44:24. > :44:26.institutions of the world. One that's based on a degree of
:44:27. > :44:32.commitment to public service, which is quite extraordinary. So in
:44:33. > :44:38.concluding I hand over to my colleagues here, I hope, careful and
:44:39. > :44:45.very I think cherishing support for the great public sector institutions
:44:46. > :44:53.I've spoken about which are part of the weft of this country's wellbeing
:44:54. > :44:56.and ask them to think very hard before allowing the United Kingdom
:44:57. > :45:00.to withdraw from its major duty of the world, the one it will encounter
:45:01. > :45:09.and deliver through the European Union. Hear, hear. .
:45:10. > :45:12.The Government thought it was the right thing to do.
:45:13. > :45:16.They're going to make me the Demon of Peckham.