:00:00. > :00:08.Tonight on This Week, we're strapping on our proton packs,
:00:09. > :00:16.and in the mood for some paranormal political activity.
:00:17. > :00:21.It's 30 years since the original but they're re-booting Ghostbusters.
:00:22. > :00:30.In Westminster, are some Labour MPs trying to spook their leader,
:00:31. > :00:33.Jeremy Corbyn and scare him from office?
:00:34. > :00:34.Feisty union leader, Mark Serwotka warns he'll be
:00:35. > :00:44.firing his 'marshmallow goo' in their direction.
:00:45. > :00:51.Jeremy Corbyn does not need marshmallow man. He has the tools
:00:52. > :00:53.and the talent. Let local party members decide who represents them.
:00:54. > :00:56.Hi-tech equipment may be needed to locate the truth in the fight
:00:57. > :01:00.We've sent The Mirror's Kevin Maguire to go in search of strange
:01:01. > :01:08.Can you smell something? Is that the Queen supporting Brexit?
:01:09. > :01:10.And, an all-female team star in the Ghostbuster re-make.
:01:11. > :01:13.We've decided to talk about the supernatural power
:01:14. > :01:28.I ain't afraid of no ghost. But I am terrified to be on this week.
:01:29. > :01:39.This Week, you're going to call This Week.
:01:40. > :01:43.Unfashionable, under-funded, but top of the league,
:01:44. > :01:49.the Leicester City of BBC current affairs.
:01:50. > :01:51.And you join us tonight for an 'earthquake' after The Sun
:01:52. > :01:54.newspaper alleged that Nick Clegg was once considered important enough
:01:55. > :01:57.to be invited to dinner at Buckingham Palace.
:01:58. > :02:01.And, despite security concerns was allowed close enough
:02:02. > :02:05.to the monarch to engage her in conversation.
:02:06. > :02:07.According to The Sun, the exchange took place at a lunch
:02:08. > :02:10.in 2011, with the Queen stating the EU was "heading
:02:11. > :02:16.Faced with the accusation that she once gave Nick Clegg
:02:17. > :02:19.the time of day, Buckingham Palace has moved to deny any knowledge
:02:20. > :02:21.of Mr Clegg, insisting they never comment on rumours or innuendo
:02:22. > :02:23.linking the royal family with Liberal Democrats.
:02:24. > :02:24.But the hunt for the leak intensifies.
:02:25. > :02:27.Suspicion has fallen on Michael Gove, a keen Brexiter
:02:28. > :02:30.who was at the Windsor Castle lunch with Clegg.
:02:31. > :02:33.Friends of Gove claim he's innocent and his spokesman said,
:02:34. > :02:35."We don't comment on private conversations with the Queen".
:02:36. > :02:38.The Sun is sticking to its guns, and says it "was based
:02:39. > :02:44.Moving on, in other entirely unconnected news, Mr Michael Gove
:02:45. > :02:47.and his wife Sarah were guests at the weekend at the wedding
:02:48. > :02:50.celebration of Miss Jerry Hall and Mr Rupert Murdoch,
:02:51. > :02:55.Chairman of News Corporation, and owner of The Sun newspaper.
:02:56. > :02:58.Also in attendance were Mrs Rebekah Brooks,
:02:59. > :03:03.News UK chief executive, and publisher of The Sun newspaper
:03:04. > :03:06.and Mr Tony Gallagher, family friend, and editor of The,
:03:07. > :03:20.I'm joined on the moral high-ground tonight by two people
:03:21. > :03:22.who still haven't taken in any Syrian refugees.
:03:23. > :03:25.Think of them as the Nicola Sturgeon and Yvette Cooper of
:03:26. > :03:31.I speak, of course, of #jesswecan Jess Phillips and we all missed him
:03:32. > :03:40.#sadmanonatrain Michael 'choo choo' Portillo.
:03:41. > :03:49.Your moment of the week? The ailing European Union economy have received
:03:50. > :03:53.emergency medical help today from the European Central Bank, a most
:03:54. > :04:00.unexpected amount of stimulus given to it. Why? Because the growth
:04:01. > :04:03.figures are disappointing. Why? Because it appears to be tumbling
:04:04. > :04:09.into deflation. For those who are part of Project Fear, making us
:04:10. > :04:13.worry about jobs and economic prosperity if we leave the European
:04:14. > :04:18.Union, this makes the argument quite difficult. We are actually attached
:04:19. > :04:23.to the sick man of Europe, and its beginning in some way is to resemble
:04:24. > :04:27.a corpse. Interest rates so low that if you put money with the ECB, you
:04:28. > :04:35.have to pay the ECB to take your money. We are now having to pay
:04:36. > :04:41.people to go out and lend the money. Aside from us winning a vote for
:04:42. > :04:45.once, my moment of the week has to be being able on International
:04:46. > :04:49.women's Day being able to give voice to 120 women who have been murdered
:04:50. > :04:51.since last International women's Day. It was a privilege to be able
:04:52. > :04:53.to do it. Now, you put your left leg in,
:04:54. > :04:56.your left leg out and shake But it's not the hokey cokey,
:04:57. > :04:59.it's the Labour Party where left-wingers who either felt
:05:00. > :05:02.the party wasn't for them, or who were actively excluded,
:05:03. > :05:04.are now returning to the fold. So with Comrade Corbyn at the helm,
:05:05. > :05:08.is it now time for committed activists to take back
:05:09. > :05:11.control in the party, And are Labour MPs right to fear
:05:12. > :05:17.they might face de-selection if they don't get
:05:18. > :05:20.with the new programme? Re-entering the Labour fray after 25
:05:21. > :05:24.years on the outside is trade union Tony Blair rather stupidly said that
:05:25. > :05:46.anyone who supported Jeremy Corbyn I am actually a patient waiting
:05:47. > :05:51.for a heart transplant, and not only do I support
:05:52. > :05:54.Jeremy Corbyn, after 25 years, I have rejoined his Labour Party
:05:55. > :05:57.because now the days of New Labour We are now entering a really
:05:58. > :06:08.exciting political moment, where opposition will be really
:06:09. > :06:11.left-wing, unlike the Tony Blair years, where he worshipped
:06:12. > :06:14.the private sector and had Peter Mandelson telling us how
:06:15. > :06:16.relaxed he was about Hundreds of thousands of people
:06:17. > :06:23.voted for Jeremy Corbyn because he represents
:06:24. > :06:25.an alternative to austerity. Austerity has meant a million
:06:26. > :06:28.people using food banks, many people desperately needing
:06:29. > :06:33.houses, and in the public sector where we have seen a decade of pay
:06:34. > :06:37.restraint and hundreds of thousands And the many hundreds of thousands
:06:38. > :06:46.of people who, like me, are excited by this new politics,
:06:47. > :06:50.deserve to see a Labour Party that That's not a purge,
:06:51. > :06:56.that's actually democracy. Those on the right of the party
:06:57. > :06:59.bleating about purges should reflect It was they who used to support
:07:00. > :07:04.the parachuting in of New Labour candidates into constituencies
:07:05. > :07:15.against the will of local activists. In fact, during the Tony Blair
:07:16. > :07:18.and Gordon Brown era we saw a cynical abuse of power,
:07:19. > :07:20.where the leadership would impose like-minded candidates onto local
:07:21. > :07:24.parties, often without even asking Contrast that approach
:07:25. > :07:33.to the one that I support, which is in a democracy,
:07:34. > :07:36.local party members should decide If people want Chuka Umunna
:07:37. > :07:39.or Tristram Hunt, But if, like me, they want radical
:07:40. > :07:44.representatives who support Jeremy Corbyn, then they should be
:07:45. > :07:52.allowed to choose them. Indeed, given the Government's
:07:53. > :07:54.boundary changes, many local parties are going to have to choose
:07:55. > :07:57.their new MPs to stand I think it's essential that no
:07:58. > :08:03.obstacles are put in any party's way, so that people can
:08:04. > :08:10.choose who they want. And now we hear about those MPs
:08:11. > :08:16.scheming to keep Jeremy Corbyn off the ballot paper in the event there
:08:17. > :08:19.has to be a new leadership election. This just goes to show how scared
:08:20. > :08:22.of Jeremy's popularity some So a few hundred MPs may not
:08:23. > :08:30.like Jeremy Corbyn but they need to remember that hundreds
:08:31. > :08:32.of thousands of party members do, And people should remember,
:08:33. > :08:43.it's their party too. From Bookmarks socialist bookshop
:08:44. > :08:46.in Bloomsbury to making little to no mark on political discourse
:08:47. > :09:02.on This Week, Mark Serwotka Welcome to the programme. Jess, are
:09:03. > :09:07.you glad to see Mark back in the Labour Party? I am delighted when
:09:08. > :09:10.people come back. We have had not as many as in London, where there
:09:11. > :09:17.seemed to be thousands who have rejoined. We have had 40 or 50 new
:09:18. > :09:22.members and I am delighted. I very much hope you are delivering
:09:23. > :09:28.leaflets, Mark. The has a bag with him. You were barred from voting in
:09:29. > :09:32.last year's leadership election on the grounds that you did not share
:09:33. > :09:36.the aims and values of the Labour Party. Have you changed your views,
:09:37. > :09:42.or has the party changed since Jeremy Corbyn's election? The party
:09:43. > :09:46.has changed. The irony of being barred was that it was never
:09:47. > :09:50.explained what the aims and values were that I did not share. Nobody
:09:51. > :09:57.spoke to me, I just got a letter saying he would not count my vote.
:09:58. > :10:01.You have not changed? I have not and I am excited about the fact that I
:10:02. > :10:03.can now join a party where the leader and Shadow Chancellor are
:10:04. > :10:09.clear they want economic alternatives to austerity, a fairer,
:10:10. > :10:16.more equal society. It is an exciting moment in British politics.
:10:17. > :10:22.If you have not changed, are you a Marxist? I call myself a radical
:10:23. > :10:25.socialist. What is the difference? I believe we need a radical change in
:10:26. > :10:29.the way society is ordered, it should be run for the needs of the
:10:30. > :10:36.many, not just profit for the few at the top, and we need real changes,
:10:37. > :10:39.which I think Jeremy Corbyn and John McDonnell are advocating. You have
:10:40. > :10:45.been associated with Trotskyite groups in the past. Are those with
:10:46. > :10:49.Trotskyite history or connections, do you feel they are now welcome in
:10:50. > :10:53.the Labour Party? Peter Mandelson was a member of the young com in
:10:54. > :10:58.this league, and Jack Straw was a member of the commonest party. But
:10:59. > :11:04.you tell me you have not changed your views. I have not changed my
:11:05. > :11:08.views in terms of voting for a fairer society. We all felt things
:11:09. > :11:13.when we were younger that we maybe do not feel the same way now. But I
:11:14. > :11:17.joined the Labour Party not because I think there will be a socialist
:11:18. > :11:21.revolution but because we have the prospect in 2020 of a Labour
:11:22. > :11:26.government that is radical and can make a change for millions of
:11:27. > :11:33.people. That is why it is exciting. You do not think Labour can win in
:11:34. > :11:37.2020. At the moment, if you look at the polls and the gerrymandering
:11:38. > :11:41.that the Tory party are doing with the boundaries that you talked
:11:42. > :11:49.about, it is going to disproportionately affect Labour
:11:50. > :11:56.seats. At the polls in 2016 cannot tell you anything, surely, about
:11:57. > :12:03.2020. Who knows? Let's hope the Tory party start to eat their own tales.
:12:04. > :12:07.So why do you think you can't win? At the moment it does not seem the
:12:08. > :12:13.Labour Party is in any shape to face an election but luckily we do not
:12:14. > :12:19.have two until 2020. I think the Labour Party can win in 2020. If
:12:20. > :12:23.they stick with Jeremy Corbyn, in 2020 people will have a real
:12:24. > :12:27.political choice where they will see absolutely the difference between
:12:28. > :12:30.what the Tories are advocating and what a radical Labour government are
:12:31. > :12:34.advocating. My problem in the past was that whilst there was a
:12:35. > :12:38.difference between parties, there was such a consensus towards the
:12:39. > :12:43.centre that many people did not vote Conservative, they did not vote, or
:12:44. > :12:49.they tragically voted Ukip. We have four years to get those ideas
:12:50. > :12:55.across. In the hundred seats with the lowest turnout, Labour has 96 of
:12:56. > :12:58.those already. So we can absolutely increase our vote share but we won't
:12:59. > :13:04.necessarily increase our share of the seats. At the moment we are at
:13:05. > :13:11.real risk of really losing great swathes of the South, great bits of
:13:12. > :13:19.Yorkshire that used to be Labour heartland. Why? Well, we did lose
:13:20. > :13:24.them, we have to win them back. Why won't you? I can't see at the moment
:13:25. > :13:27.the Labour Party, as presented at the moment, reflecting what I hear
:13:28. > :13:32.on the doorstep, some of which will come from media pressure, I
:13:33. > :13:35.understand that, but at the moment I don't think the Labour Party is
:13:36. > :13:40.cutting through. The Conservatives are much better presenting hope
:13:41. > :13:43.which, to me as a socialist, seems unbelievable that they could present
:13:44. > :13:49.hope to anyone when they are damaging thousands of disabled
:13:50. > :13:52.people. There are people queueing up who can't find houses. But the
:13:53. > :13:58.Labour Party is not cutting through, the message is not getting through,
:13:59. > :14:03.we are talking to the converted. Is it good news for the Conservatives
:14:04. > :14:09.if people like Mark RE joining the party? I am afraid absolutely it is.
:14:10. > :14:13.To begin, I want to analyse what Mark has said. He says there is a
:14:14. > :14:21.place for an anti-austerity party. I think this parliament will have more
:14:22. > :14:25.austerity than we predicted before. And anti-austerities parties have
:14:26. > :14:29.done quite well in Greece and Spain and so on, so I understand the
:14:30. > :14:34.proposition. But against that one has to say the British public has a
:14:35. > :14:40.pretty clear political position on the centre ground. The British
:14:41. > :14:43.public would not vote for Ed Miliband, for Neil Kinnock, not even
:14:44. > :14:48.for Gordon Brown. The only one they voted for again and again was Tony
:14:49. > :14:52.Blair. I think this is a fact of life. Even if we go through a
:14:53. > :14:57.five-year parliament, which for many people was pretty grim, there is no
:14:58. > :14:58.evidence in history of British voting patterns that they will vote
:14:59. > :15:12.for a left-wing candidate. Let Mark respond to that? I'm an
:15:13. > :15:17.optimist. Who thought Bernie Sanders would be winning States. He is not,
:15:18. > :15:22.Hillary Clinton is. But he's doing better than anybody would have
:15:23. > :15:28.believed. He's still not winning. The right is rampant in France, even
:15:29. > :15:35.in Sweden, Finland, Poland, Croatia, growing in other parts of Europe
:15:36. > :15:43.too. There's no mass Marxist revival? Well, my argument is, and
:15:44. > :15:47.take Ed Miliband as an example, people didn't vote for him because
:15:48. > :15:52.he's too left-wing, they thought there are two parties broadly
:15:53. > :15:56.offering, within the same narrow constraints, the same economic
:15:57. > :15:59.solutions and the differences were marginal and people thought, we'd
:16:00. > :16:04.rather go with the true believers. What Jeremy Corbyn will offer is
:16:05. > :16:08.something totally different. When people realise if they vote for
:16:09. > :16:12.that, they'll get more investment in their Public Services there,'s going
:16:13. > :16:19.to be better investment in schools and hospitals. Provided you can
:16:20. > :16:23.create the wealth to do that? Yes. It's easy to talk about investment,
:16:24. > :16:29.more difficult to create the money that will pay for the investment? I
:16:30. > :16:33.believe that if you have a fairer tax system, get people into work
:16:34. > :16:38.earning decent wages and paying tax and you can raise revenue and don't
:16:39. > :16:41.obsess about clearing the deficit in a ridiculously small period of time,
:16:42. > :16:46.the economy can grow. That's what people need to hear about. I agree
:16:47. > :16:50.with Jess, Jeremy probably isn't cutting through, but to be honest,
:16:51. > :16:53.east not getting this chance to put the alternative to the people
:16:54. > :16:59.because too many of the stories we are getting are briefings against
:17:00. > :17:05.him, we are being side tracked by things like not singing the National
:17:06. > :17:10.Anthem, non--issues, but let's give some hope to people and keck see
:17:11. > :17:13.politics transformed in Britain. Labour politics has a lot of new
:17:14. > :17:18.members and there are boundary changes coming up which will give
:17:19. > :17:21.the new members a chance to Keys knew candidates if they want. Why
:17:22. > :17:27.shouldn't they? I'm not saying they shouldn't. Every Labour Party has
:17:28. > :17:32.the democrat Iing right to hold, where new seats are created, and
:17:33. > :17:35.seats are completely, you know, they are very diverse and so it's only
:17:36. > :17:44.right that the new body of membership should be able to look at
:17:45. > :17:51.who their members want. So you wouldn't mind if Chuka Umunna,
:17:52. > :17:56.Tristram Hunt, Stella Creasy, are targeted? If they are targeted,
:17:57. > :18:00.ex-pecks them to fight back. They haven't got the membership? Well, I
:18:01. > :18:03.mean again, I can't predict what they are going to have. There is a
:18:04. > :18:09.different membership in the Labour Party now isn't there? It's changed?
:18:10. > :18:17.It's clearly 100,000 new joiners and I think that... A lot of them are in
:18:18. > :18:22.London. No, but the party has massively increased. My view is that
:18:23. > :18:25.you should be a democrat. So, as I said, if Chuka Umunna's local party
:18:26. > :18:30.believe he's still the man for them, they should have him. There
:18:31. > :18:35.shouldn't be anything from the top. Leave to it the constituency. My
:18:36. > :18:40.point in the past was that we did see him in positions. In Yorkshire,
:18:41. > :18:43.where a constituency selected a left-wing candidate like Liz Davies
:18:44. > :18:49.in Leeds, the central party ruled it out. I want to see some democracy.
:18:50. > :18:52.What is inevitable, is that so many new members going in excited pill
:18:53. > :18:58.change, they'll want to see the MPs... We all want democracy. I
:18:59. > :19:01.disagree with the idea of putting in mandatory reselections. I don't
:19:02. > :19:05.think you have called for that, you have said the boundary change is
:19:06. > :19:09.given opportunity. My view is, without changing the rules, there is
:19:10. > :19:15.the boundary changes. Do you like mandatory reselection? To reselect
:19:16. > :19:18.if they wish. Do you want mandatory? Councillors have to be standing for
:19:19. > :19:24.reselection every four years, I have to stand for it. So you do? I don't
:19:25. > :19:29.see how anyone can argue that the candidate should be endorsed every
:19:30. > :19:32.time by their local party, but even without changing the rules and
:19:33. > :19:37.having mandatory reselection, it's already the case that local party
:19:38. > :19:43.members can change a ballot. A one final question for you. If Jeremy
:19:44. > :19:48.Corbyn goes to the country with a proper socialist manifesto of the
:19:49. > :19:53.type that you approve and Labour gets thumped again the way it did in
:19:54. > :19:58.1983, will you accept there is not an appetite for that kind of
:19:59. > :20:04.socialism in Britain? I won't accept that my views will change. I didn't
:20:05. > :20:07.sigh that? What I would say is at that particular point, the
:20:08. > :20:10.electorate will have made a specific choice and I'm a great believer that
:20:11. > :20:14.you should campaign for what you believe in and hope to convince
:20:15. > :20:18.people and if at first you don't succeed, keep triing. I would rather
:20:19. > :20:22.fight for something that you really believe will have a fairer society
:20:23. > :20:27.than give up. I'm done that for the last 35 years and intend to carry on
:20:28. > :20:33.trying. Mark, thanks for being with us, good to see you back to health
:20:34. > :20:38.as well. Thanks, hopefully next time I'll have had my heart transplant.
:20:39. > :20:41.You are looking well on it Thank you very much.
:20:42. > :20:44.Now it's late - Donald Trump's very small hands late -
:20:45. > :20:47.but we're packing so much more than The Donald because waiting
:20:48. > :20:50.in the wings, Radio 1 DJ Annie Mac is here to discuss the idea
:20:51. > :20:54.And if you want to see how little solidarity really exists
:20:55. > :20:57.in the human race, just follow us on The Twitter,
:20:58. > :20:59.The Fleecebook and Gordon Brown's Intergalactic Web Sphere.
:21:00. > :21:03.Now, we're only a few weeks into the EU referendum campaign
:21:04. > :21:05.and already it feels rather lacking in 'tang'.
:21:06. > :21:11.But you can always rely on BoGo Johnson to pick up
:21:12. > :21:13.a metaphor when one comes loose from the back of the scrum
:21:14. > :21:18.So when he was asked this week to explain Britain's future outside
:21:19. > :21:22.the single market via the medium of marmalade, the part-time
:21:23. > :21:25.London Mayor was in his sweet spot, waxing lyrical on British-made
:21:26. > :21:28.preserves and their appeal abroad, however many pips...
:21:29. > :21:34.So we sent The Mirror's Kevin Maguire to the London Jam Factory
:21:35. > :21:56.This is his Roundup of the political week.
:21:57. > :22:02.Like me, that fruity Mayor of London, Boris "BoGo" Johnson
:22:03. > :22:07.found himself in a bit of a jam this week.
:22:08. > :22:11.When BoGo wasn't likening the European single market to making
:22:12. > :22:17.marmalade, he was distancing himself from a sticky memo from an aide
:22:18. > :22:21.banning City Hall staff from disagreeing with the boss on Europe.
:22:22. > :22:27.Only 24 hours earlier, BoGo had accused pro-EU campaigners
:22:28. > :22:33.I think I've made a bit of a cock up with this?
:22:34. > :22:41.It's not something that I agree with, and my staff, my team,
:22:42. > :22:45.have complete freedom to say what they want.
:22:46. > :22:48.Indeed, they already are and have been for some days.
:22:49. > :22:50.Let a hundred flowers bloom, folks, OK.
:22:51. > :22:57.BoGo sweetly quoting Chairman Mao is a taste of the bitter
:22:58. > :23:02.polarisation ahead of June's referendum, with leavers roasting
:23:03. > :23:08.Bank of England Governor Mark Carney for raising unappetising risks
:23:09. > :23:25.The issue is the biggest domestic risk to financial stability.
:23:26. > :23:28.This is what I think is doing your reputation
:23:29. > :23:32.and the reputation of the Bank of England harm, that you are coming
:23:33. > :23:35.out with the standard statements of the pro-EU group.
:23:36. > :23:40.It is speculative, and beneath the dignity of the Bank of England
:23:41. > :23:43.to be making speculative pro-EU comments.
:23:44. > :23:52.Carney blew a raspberry back but a far juicier public figure
:23:53. > :23:56.of much greater magnificence, also objected to being
:23:57. > :24:08.Her Maj's royal warrants appear on some inferior preserves,
:24:09. > :24:11.but the monarchical damson in distress was not amused
:24:12. > :24:15.when the Sun screamed, "Queen backs Brexit",
:24:16. > :24:19.based, supposedly, on a conversation at a Windsor Castle
:24:20. > :24:31.Buck House complained to the press regulator,
:24:32. > :24:35.Ipso, and the argument over Britain in or out of Europe
:24:36. > :24:45.I think it's appalling that the people who want to pull
:24:46. > :24:48.the United Kingdom, to drag the United Kingdom out
:24:49. > :24:51.of the European Union are now trying to drag the Queen into
:24:52. > :24:57.As for the story in the Sun, it's nonsense.
:24:58. > :25:08.The right royal row in Britain followed a European Union deal
:25:09. > :25:12.to pay Turkey a king's ransom to stem the flow of refugees
:25:13. > :25:16.and economic migrants, in turn keeping mum about the new sultan
:25:17. > :25:19.in Ankara crushing dissent and seizing control
:25:20. > :25:31.David Cameron and Jeremy Corbyn's bouts are rarely tasty,
:25:32. > :25:36.producing little heat and shedding even less light.
:25:37. > :25:42.If we really do have the strong economy that the Prime Minister
:25:43. > :25:46.claims, then why did the Chancellor warn last week, I quote, "We may
:25:47. > :25:58.The disabled, pensioners, young people, women?
:25:59. > :26:01.Is he going to rule out attacking those groups?
:26:02. > :26:04.He will see the Budget next week when my right honourable
:26:05. > :26:07.friend the Chancellor, who has an excellent record
:26:08. > :26:12.of steering this nation's economy, will stand up to give that.
:26:13. > :26:17.With George Osborne bottling the big pension reform that would have been
:26:18. > :26:21.a single rate of tax relief benefiting all workers,
:26:22. > :26:25.the Chancellor is in a sticky position of his own,
:26:26. > :26:30.and needs a new recipe in next week's Budget to revive his jarring
:26:31. > :26:36.And it was supermarket baskets at dawn when the Scots Nats joined
:26:37. > :26:41.Labour MPs and Tory rebels to oppose Government plans to let supermarkets
:26:42. > :26:44.open all hours on Sundays in England and Wales.
:26:45. > :26:51.I and my SNP colleagues are not prepared to gamble with the pay
:26:52. > :26:55.packets of some of Scotland and the UK's lowest paid workers.
:26:56. > :26:59.Why is it that in this country this Government thinks we should
:27:00. > :27:04.put the free market above everything else?
:27:05. > :27:17.So it's jam today, jam tomorrow and jam between 11
:27:18. > :27:37.Kevin Maguire there making a mess at the London Jam Factory.
:27:38. > :27:45.Michael, do you believe the Sun story that says Madge backs Brexit?
:27:46. > :27:50.No, absolutely not. I mean, Her Majesty's not given political
:27:51. > :27:54.opinion in 90 years and I don't think suddenly her resolve broke
:27:55. > :28:01.down at this compelling lunch with Nick Clegg and Michael Gove. Do you?
:28:02. > :28:05.I'm glad we are speculating about the Queen, she's still alive. I'm
:28:06. > :28:08.delighted it's not just dead people we care about how they might have
:28:09. > :28:12.voted in the European referendum. But do you believe it? I don't think
:28:13. > :28:17.that the Queen usually passes comment like that. I think that it's
:28:18. > :28:23.a sort of desperate Scrabbling of people trying to come up with a
:28:24. > :28:27.reason. If it was true, there would be a generational split since Prince
:28:28. > :28:30.William was in favour of staying in. That does happen in families, you
:28:31. > :28:35.know. Particularly extended families. The Governor of the Bank
:28:36. > :28:39.of England, was he not entirely within his rights, he was asked to
:28:40. > :28:42.what the biggest domestic uncertainty would be to the British
:28:43. > :28:48.economy and he says it would be if we left the EU. It doesn't mean it
:28:49. > :28:52.would be wrong to do so, but in the medium to long-term, everything
:28:53. > :28:56.could work out fine. But there would be uncertainty and risk in the
:28:57. > :29:01.short-term would there not? There's uncertainty now obviously. It's a
:29:02. > :29:07.big factor. I wouldn't attack Mark Carney on this. I think what
:29:08. > :29:10.happened, if you remember at the global summit in China, where
:29:11. > :29:14.suddenly it appears in the minutes that all the global leaders who had
:29:15. > :29:17.much more important things to think about thought that Brexit was one of
:29:18. > :29:20.the great uncertainties of the economic future. I think that smelt
:29:21. > :29:24.badly of interference by the Chancellor of the Exchequer. I think
:29:25. > :29:28.you are right that Mark Carney must admit there is uncertainty over
:29:29. > :29:32.this. I mean, you know, the uncertainty is, we may move into a
:29:33. > :29:35.bright new future of independence. How is the reference dumb playing so
:29:36. > :29:46.far outside London, outside Westminster?
:29:47. > :29:57.I have heard ten e-mails about the EU and 400 about bees. Everybody has
:29:58. > :30:00.an equal vote on this so they don't need to lobby me because they get
:30:01. > :30:05.their own say, but that is not coming up on the doorsteps. People
:30:06. > :30:09.do not volunteer whether they are in or out, people rarely ask me
:30:10. > :30:14.questions about it. I have had far more e-mails about housing. If you
:30:15. > :30:19.are right, it raises an interesting point about the turnout in this
:30:20. > :30:23.referendum. I think it will be quite difficult for pollsters to gauge
:30:24. > :30:28.this one, partly because there is a difference between metropolitan
:30:29. > :30:34.opinion, it is a hot topic in London, and non-metropolitan
:30:35. > :30:37.opinion. If we firstly don't know what people are thinking and we
:30:38. > :30:41.don't know which people are going to turn out to vote, it will be
:30:42. > :30:45.difficult to predict. At the moment it would look like a majority of
:30:46. > :30:52.Conservative voters would vote to leave, which means for the remaining
:30:53. > :31:00.to win, you need the Labour Party. Is that going to happen, will the
:31:01. > :31:04.Labour vote be mobilised? We need to do an awful lot to make it seem as
:31:05. > :31:10.if it is a Labour issue and it has Labour at its heart. Are you going
:31:11. > :31:16.to be able to do that? I will try my hardest. When we are out there
:31:17. > :31:19.knocking, which we do every week, we ask people the question. It is
:31:20. > :31:24.difficult when you have to campaign altogether but I think the public is
:31:25. > :31:29.better than that. I don't think they want to see us squabbling. Of
:31:30. > :31:35.course, it is not only Labour support that would be needed, but
:31:36. > :31:37.Scottish Nationalists support. It is an interesting referendum because
:31:38. > :31:44.presumably we will see the Scottish lists and the Labour Party fighting
:31:45. > :31:50.to make sure David Cameron keeps his job. -- Scottish Nationalists. It is
:31:51. > :31:57.difficult to sell to some activists. And apparently women are going to
:31:58. > :32:02.swing it. It has been quite male dominated so far. It seems quite a
:32:03. > :32:09.lot of shirts talking about figures, as we saw in the video with Mark
:32:10. > :32:15.Carney and Jacob Rees-Mogg. You are a leading member of the Labour for
:32:16. > :32:22.camera movement, aren't you? I would not say was anything for Cameron.
:32:23. > :32:27.Don't rise to the bait! The backdrop is important. For those who wish to
:32:28. > :32:33.remain, the backdrop is not encouraging. This deal which Angela
:32:34. > :32:42.Merkel is trying to do, trying to do it with the Turks, when you look at
:32:43. > :32:46.it, it almost smacks of desperation. Firstly, doing a deal with the
:32:47. > :32:49.Turkish government which is rapidly extinguishing any vestige of a free
:32:50. > :32:55.press, becoming totalitarian and unpleasant in all sorts of ways. But
:32:56. > :33:00.also, just the detail of the deal. But every refugee who is deported,
:33:01. > :33:06.and we wonder about the legality of that, from Greece to Turkey, every
:33:07. > :33:11.Syrian refugee, one will be exported to the European Union, presumably on
:33:12. > :33:15.a plane, rather than overland. If this gets traction, that is a large
:33:16. > :33:20.number of Syrian refugees who will be settled in the European Union. We
:33:21. > :33:24.know the reaction before from European countries to Mrs Merkel's
:33:25. > :33:29.last proposal, which was that Germany should take a very large
:33:30. > :33:33.number, 800,000 refugees. There will also be a reaction to this and
:33:34. > :33:38.people in Britain will want to know exactly what is their role in this
:33:39. > :33:44.large number of Syrian refugees who will be settled in European Union
:33:45. > :33:50.countries other than Greece. When we last had the referendum to stay in,
:33:51. > :33:54.in 1975, the backdrop was one of the British economic difficulties and a
:33:55. > :33:58.really successful, growing, prosperous European Community as it
:33:59. > :34:05.was then called. That will not be the backdrop this time. It is not
:34:06. > :34:09.the backdrop this time. One of the reasons I feel we should stay is
:34:10. > :34:14.partly because of solidarity, and to try and keep things working. You say
:34:15. > :34:20.solidarity. We are not going to allow free entry of Turks. That is
:34:21. > :34:27.just for the Schengen area. Is that right? I think we need to take more
:34:28. > :34:31.refugees, especially children. I have repeatedly said we are not
:34:32. > :34:35.necessarily doing our bit and we could do more with regard to
:34:36. > :34:42.unaccompanied refugee children. There are thousands of kids. In a
:34:43. > :34:48.democracy, with a free press, how do you forcibly remove thousands of
:34:49. > :34:53.migrants? What are we going to do, push them back into the sea? That is
:34:54. > :35:01.my question. The legality of it is questionable. The television cameras
:35:02. > :35:07.will be there as people are loaded onto buses, taken to ships and
:35:08. > :35:10.planes. Fearful staff. Sunday trading, which England will not have
:35:11. > :35:16.liberalised thanks to the Scottish and the lists and some Tory rebels,
:35:17. > :35:20.what ever happened to English votes for English laws which the Tories
:35:21. > :35:26.were meant to promise? It is a nonevent. Despite provocation by the
:35:27. > :35:30.Scottish Nationalists in voting down this thing which really only has
:35:31. > :35:32.effect in England, I don't think we are hearing a lot from the
:35:33. > :35:39.government about English votes for English laws. I owe it to you, the
:35:40. > :35:43.insight that this was put in a UK bill, rather than put into English
:35:44. > :35:49.and Welsh Bill. That would have made it more difficult, very difficult
:35:50. > :35:54.for the Scottish Nationalists to vote against that. It is
:35:55. > :35:59.interesting. I suppose the government is worried about further
:36:00. > :36:02.revocation of the Scots. Everything is on hold. In the film there was
:36:03. > :36:08.reference to the dropping of pension reform. I think George Osborne would
:36:09. > :36:10.like to go down in history as the Chancellor who reformed pensions but
:36:11. > :36:16.because of the referendum that cannot be done. We cannot have a
:36:17. > :36:17.Barney with Scottish Nationalists over Sunday trading, because of the
:36:18. > :36:20.referendum. Now, when jezebel Diane Abbott
:36:21. > :36:22.upped sticks and left us here on This Week, rekindling her
:36:23. > :36:25.romance with Casanova Corbyn, I mean, what's Jeremy
:36:26. > :36:33.got that we haven't, other than incriminating
:36:34. > :36:34.photos from the infamous But we've come to terms
:36:35. > :36:38.with our loss, and moved on. So when Jess Phillips responded
:36:39. > :36:40.to our advances and agreed After all, what's not
:36:41. > :36:44.to love about Jess? Other than the all those
:36:45. > :36:46.nasty things Diane wrote Just ignore her, Jess,
:36:47. > :36:52.she's not worth it. And that's why we're putting female
:36:53. > :36:55.solidarity and 'the sisterhood' It's surely not the only opportunity
:36:56. > :37:09.To talk about the issues concerning sisters the world over,
:37:10. > :37:12.but there were certainly lots on the agenda this International
:37:13. > :37:14.Women's Day from body hair An image of liberation
:37:15. > :37:21.or #degrading? Some question Kimi's decision
:37:22. > :37:25.to mark the occasion with the nude While he refrained from keeping up
:37:26. > :37:31.with the Kardashians by posing for his own naked pics,
:37:32. > :37:33.Jeremy Corbyn still found himself under fire for suggesting the sex
:37:34. > :37:38.industry should be decriminalised. One Labour backbencher gained
:37:39. > :37:40.plaudits for raising awareness Here are the names of the women
:37:41. > :37:49.who died since International Women's Day last year: Lucy Iris,
:37:50. > :37:55.Alison Wilson, Sarah Fox... It was a show of sisterly solidarity
:37:56. > :37:59.on Centre Court with Serena Williams commending Maria Sharapova's honesty
:38:00. > :38:05.over the doping scandal. I think most people were happy
:38:06. > :38:08.that she was upfront and very honest In the week of Nancy Reagan's death,
:38:09. > :38:16.is another former First Lady hoping America's women will help vote
:38:17. > :38:22.in their first Madam President? Hillary Clinton might have been
:38:23. > :38:24.beaten in the Michigan primary on Tuesday but she's only lost
:38:25. > :38:27.the Democrats' female vote in two states so far which begs
:38:28. > :38:47.the question, is there any union We are joined by Annie Mac. Thank
:38:48. > :38:54.you for coming on at this ungodly hour. This is mourning for me. Is
:38:55. > :39:00.the sisterhood a real thing? Yes, I think so. I think it definitely is.
:39:01. > :39:05.Personally, I gravitate towards women. I like to feel I support
:39:06. > :39:13.women. I think it is important to do that. There are certain divisive
:39:14. > :39:19.things about the word sisterhood. That Kim Kardashian selfie has
:39:20. > :39:23.really divided people. It is just self publicity from a self
:39:24. > :39:28.publicist, isn't it? She is working the brand pretty hard, but there are
:39:29. > :39:32.a lot of women saying she should love her body, she is liberated and
:39:33. > :39:36.should be empowered to do that. There are other women who are
:39:37. > :39:40.saying, why doesn't she use her huge power and influence to shout about
:39:41. > :39:43.the fact that she is a great businesswoman and she has made
:39:44. > :39:48.millions of pounds from doing that side of things. You regard her as
:39:49. > :39:58.part of the sisterhood? I don't really know what you mean by
:39:59. > :40:03.sisterhood, to be honest. It's not a gang! Does it mean anything, or not?
:40:04. > :40:08.Sisterhood? It does if you have loads of Powells who are women. But
:40:09. > :40:13.it is not a support mechanism to help women help each other to get
:40:14. > :40:18.on? I think women naturally want to help people, but then they also
:40:19. > :40:25.don't. In all of these things, it just has to be an equal pairing with
:40:26. > :40:30.men. So there is no reason why, what is the male version of sisterhood?
:40:31. > :40:39.Rutherford, I guess. Do you ask men about brotherhood? Jess is still
:40:40. > :40:46.celebrating the election of our first woman Prime Minister back in
:40:47. > :40:54.1979. I am delighted that happened! IFS, I think there is a sisterhood.
:40:55. > :40:57.I think obviously women, we are not exclusively great to each other and
:40:58. > :41:01.we can drag each other down just as well as we build each other up, but
:41:02. > :41:08.I think there is a sisterhood. I feel a sisterhood. I feel a group of
:41:09. > :41:12.women I do not know pushing me forward at all times. Because there
:41:13. > :41:17.is such a lack of role models in the public eye with women. When I saw
:41:18. > :41:23.the Kim Kardashian selfie I was like, this is so boring. Stop! Do
:41:24. > :41:29.something interesting, something that will make us... A witty
:41:30. > :41:35.one-liner. Can we leave Kim Kardashian now? Can we? Move on.
:41:36. > :41:43.Have you been helped by the sisterhood? Yes, and I try to
:41:44. > :41:47.support women coming up. What I do beyond broadcasting, as a club DJ,
:41:48. > :41:52.there are not many girls that do it. It is predominantly men. So I have
:41:53. > :42:00.come through my career being one of the soul women who do it. The first
:42:01. > :42:05.time I was aware, the first time I felt weird or an comfortable about
:42:06. > :42:10.it was when you start DJ in places like Ibiza or Vegas, and you are
:42:11. > :42:13.surrounded by podiums of scantily clad women in bikinis, writhing
:42:14. > :42:17.around and dancing, employed by the club. You look at women on the dance
:42:18. > :42:22.floor and you think, you are being told this is as far as you can get.
:42:23. > :42:27.There are not enough women being DJs. Girls are always saying to me,
:42:28. > :42:33.I want to be a DJ because I have seen you do it. Just because I am a
:42:34. > :42:39.woman. There are not enough women. Like Jess, people in positions of
:42:40. > :42:43.power, female bosses, people making money, making decisions, not enough
:42:44. > :42:47.women doing that. Whenever there is a woman doing it there is why is an
:42:48. > :42:54.automatic push from other women going, yes, we need that. Do women
:42:55. > :43:00.help other women? I can only big for the Labour Party. I used to work in
:43:01. > :43:04.women's aid, so I only worked with women. Since I arrived in
:43:05. > :43:07.Westminster, there is a sorority of, you have to be the best you can be,
:43:08. > :43:14.and I feel the other Labour women helping me, and some Conservative
:43:15. > :43:20.women. People like Terry is a fee. She makes sure we are all all right.
:43:21. > :43:23.If she thinks things are going wrong. Harriet Harman, Margaret
:43:24. > :43:27.Hodge, we are pushing each other forward. Men have always had support
:43:28. > :43:35.systems around them, clubs and groups where they promote each
:43:36. > :43:41.other. Even the Masons. I have on the whole lives outside these
:43:42. > :43:45.groups. I am not bothered about it! I was going to say that I did not
:43:46. > :43:50.think brotherhood existed in the same way as apparently sisterhood
:43:51. > :43:53.might. And then I was going to say I wondered whether there was a
:43:54. > :43:57.difficulty that sisterhood begins to sound a bit like victim hood,
:43:58. > :44:03.something that women feel they have to do because of the position they
:44:04. > :44:07.occupy, the suppressed position. I just wonder whether that is the way
:44:08. > :44:18.you want to advertise yourselves. I agree. It has to feel equal, I
:44:19. > :44:22.think. Men have certainly helped men in the past. Maybe the reason women
:44:23. > :44:28.do help other women is because there is still a lot of work to do. There
:44:29. > :44:31.is indeed. We have run out of time. Thank you for being with us.
:44:32. > :44:34.That's your lot for tonight folks but not for us because it's soup
:44:35. > :44:38.And with the latest Government figures showing that the number
:44:39. > :44:41.of people forced to sleep rough has doubled under David Cameron -
:44:42. > :44:43.that's right, folks, doubled - we're off to turn a blind
:44:44. > :44:47.Nighty night, don't let the crisis on our streets bite.
:44:48. > :44:50.# When you're alone and life is making you lonely
:44:51. > :44:57.# When you've got worries all the noise and the hurry
:44:58. > :45:05.# Just listen to the music of the traffic in the city
:45:06. > :45:11.# Linger on the sidewalk where the neon signs are pretty
:45:12. > :45:20.# You can forget all your troubles, forget all your cares
:45:21. > :45:26.# Things will be great when you're downtown
:45:27. > :45:30.# You'll find a place for sure, downtown