:00:00. > :00:10.What plaything can you offer me today?
:00:11. > :00:13.An obscure late-night television programme, your Majesty.
:00:14. > :00:20.The inhabitants of Earth refer to it as This Week.
:00:21. > :00:49.Tonight, as war rages over our membership of the EU,
:00:50. > :00:55.former Made In Chelsea star Francis Boulle battles for Brexit.
:00:56. > :00:58.On the economy, on security, on immigration,
:00:59. > :01:00.we are being dictated to by an EU that may as well
:01:01. > :01:13.Queen of the impossible, the New Statesman's Helen Lewis
:01:14. > :01:19.Forget intergalactic war, the Tories are
:01:20. > :01:24.The far right is on the rise in Europe
:01:25. > :01:37.and people are talking about putting boots on the ground to fight crisis.
:01:38. > :02:00.Don't worry, Andrew, I've got your back covered. Gathered together your
:02:01. > :02:04.intergalactic team. This Week's alive!
:02:05. > :02:06.Evenin' all, welcome to This Week, the only legal high with serious
:02:07. > :02:09.other than the brain-numbing EU referendum campaign,
:02:10. > :02:13.which replaced Project Fear with Project Embarrassment this week,
:02:14. > :02:18.as both sides made cringe-inducing appeals for the "yoof" vote.
:02:19. > :02:22.First up, those reactionary retros at Leave.EU, who promised a night
:02:23. > :02:28.at a concert in Birmingham, which they billed as "the biggest
:02:29. > :02:30.rally in modern British political history".
:02:31. > :02:33.Except nobody told the performers, leaving the stage deserted
:02:34. > :02:36.after Alesha Dixon, East 17 and the two remaining members
:02:37. > :02:41.of 5ive discovered they'd been booked as a Ukip backing band.
:02:42. > :02:44.It looked as if Sister Sledge might still be up for it
:02:45. > :02:47.until they were asked to sing "We are family, I've got
:02:48. > :02:54.Not to be outdone in the stupidity stakes,
:02:55. > :02:58.a poster and video campaign which employed an argot
:02:59. > :03:02.the old and out of touch think is used by young people, urgin'
:03:03. > :03:06.them to be thankin' the EU'in for all the chillin' an' ravin' an'
:03:07. > :03:11.drinkin' an' mixin' an' snoggin' an' pukin', an' watchin'
:03:12. > :03:15.This Weekin' that they've all been indulgin' in'in.
:03:16. > :03:19.The advertisin' brains behind this cringin' campaignin' are claimin'
:03:20. > :03:22.it was always the intention that people would "take
:03:23. > :03:27.In which case, all I can say is you've succeeded
:03:28. > :03:34.Speakin' of condescendin' an' patronisin' an' Blue Nunin',
:03:35. > :03:38.I'm joined on the sofa tonight by two Hollywood love birds having
:03:39. > :03:41.second thoughts about why they tied the television knot.
:03:42. > :03:44.Think of them as the Amber Heard and the Johnny Depp
:03:45. > :03:48.I speak, of course, of #jesswecan Jessica Phillips,
:03:49. > :03:52.and #sadmanonatrain Michael Portillo.
:03:53. > :03:55.And, though they say you should never kick a Lib Dem when they're
:03:56. > :03:58.down, we're making an exception tonight for the former
:03:59. > :04:12.#nickflixandchill, Nicholas "no more than 30" Clegg!!
:04:13. > :04:23.Michael, your moment of the week? Steve Hilton, long-time strategic
:04:24. > :04:26.advisor to David Cameron said that if David Cameron were anything other
:04:27. > :04:32.than Prime Minister he believed he would be in favour of Brexit. This
:04:33. > :04:36.rang a bell with me, and would be my own impression from having known
:04:37. > :04:41.David Cameron some years ago. I think he was elected to the party
:04:42. > :04:46.leadership because he was thought to be a Eurosceptic, which makes one
:04:47. > :04:51.think this campaign is cynical, because he goes around pretending to
:04:52. > :04:55.be the opposite. The person who has conducted herself with dignity is
:04:56. > :04:59.Theresa May, who although in favour of remaining has just kept out of
:05:00. > :05:06.all the hyperbole and has shown the properly, enthusiasm for a European
:05:07. > :05:12.Union for which the British people feel a lack of enthusiasm. So the
:05:13. > :05:16.way to get respect is to say nothing, Jessica. Any moment that
:05:17. > :05:21.was not about the EU would be my moment of the week. I will go for
:05:22. > :05:27.Sadiq Khan putting four women out of a team of five, so that in five
:05:28. > :05:35.years if he has balls start London, it will be the fault of the two men
:05:36. > :05:40.in the team. The ?10 million emergency funding announced for the
:05:41. > :05:43.prison system two days ago. Last week we had the Queens speech which
:05:44. > :05:48.was about prisoner four-man this week we have revelations of the
:05:49. > :05:52.biggest spike in suicide and violence for ages. I think it
:05:53. > :05:55.reveals how incredibly difficult it is to reform a prison system
:05:56. > :05:59.bursting at the seams, unless you bite the bullet and reduce the
:06:00. > :06:02.numbers. It will being credibly difficult for this Government to do
:06:03. > :06:05.the laudable things they say they want to in the prison system.
:06:06. > :06:10.Hitler, a bunch of bananas, Shaun the Sheep, and non-energy
:06:11. > :06:14.The answer is, of course, Shaun the Sheep, the only item
:06:15. > :06:17.on the list not wheeled out by parts of the Brexit campaign
:06:18. > :06:25.So, in a week where no one mentioned Hitler once but figures showed that
:06:26. > :06:29.EU net migration to the UK hit a record high of 184,000 we figured
:06:30. > :06:34.we could avoid talking about it no more.
:06:35. > :06:36.Here's entrepreneur and former Made In Chelsea star, Francis Boulle
:06:37. > :06:52.We're trapped in a stranded, sinking ship and the time is running
:06:53. > :06:57.First, I need to get the hell out of this room,
:06:58. > :07:00.and on the 23rd June, we all need to get out
:07:01. > :07:04.of the economic miasma that is the European Union.
:07:05. > :07:06.Right now, we are trapped, locked in by design to an anti-democratic,
:07:07. > :07:11.unaccountable expanding dictatorship that is sucking up the very essence
:07:12. > :07:14.of what makes Britain Britain - our democracy, our sovereignty
:07:15. > :07:30.The EU is a crony capitalist system designed to serve big business fat
:07:31. > :07:34.cats, multinational rentier monopolies and the unelected
:07:35. > :07:38.political elites running the show at the expense of small business,
:07:39. > :07:45.And in exchange for our democracy, the very right to govern ourselves,
:07:46. > :07:48.contemptuous crumbs from the Lord's table.
:07:49. > :07:50.Cheaper mobile bills and cheaper holidays,
:07:51. > :08:01.as if that's all that matters to us ignorant little people.
:08:02. > :08:04.The Remain campaign is using fear and lies
:08:05. > :08:07.to intimidate you into bending to their elitist will.
:08:08. > :08:10.As the great Benjamin Franklin once said, those who would sacrifice
:08:11. > :08:14.their freedom for the promise of security deserve neither.
:08:15. > :08:26.Britain is now in grave danger of losing both.
:08:27. > :08:29.Freed from these shackles, Britain can grow and prosper.
:08:30. > :08:35.More importantly, we can trade freely and directly with more
:08:36. > :08:41.prosperous economies around the world.
:08:42. > :08:51.With control of our economy, we can set Britain up
:08:52. > :08:53.as the Hong Kong of Europe, a financial, manufacturing
:08:54. > :09:01.The EU has us trapped, on our economy, on immigration
:09:02. > :09:16.And from Enigma Escape in Holloway, where we did not give any clues
:09:17. > :09:20.away to spoil the game, to no-one having a clue here on This Week,
:09:21. > :09:36.Welcome to the programme. You might not like where we are in the EU, but
:09:37. > :09:45.leaving is a leap in the dark and could be a dangerous future. I don't
:09:46. > :09:49.think so. Given the opportunity to regulate our economy freely, we can
:09:50. > :09:52.have a freer economy, freer trade with nations around the world. If
:09:53. > :10:01.you look at Hong Kong, their policy of free trade with the rest of the
:10:02. > :10:05.world has led to their prosperity. Other than trade, what could we do
:10:06. > :10:10.with our economy outside the EU which we can't at the moment?
:10:11. > :10:14.Negotiate our own free-trade agreements with countries
:10:15. > :10:23.all-rounder world, which currently our economy is 80% service based. I
:10:24. > :10:28.think only two out of three EU trade deals even cover services. We could
:10:29. > :10:32.negotiate free-trade arrangements with countless countries that we
:10:33. > :10:38.don't currently have arrangements with. Most free-trade deals do not
:10:39. > :10:42.cover services. 90% of those of Chile do, and they have ten times
:10:43. > :10:48.the value of trade agreement that the EU has. Their economy, a third
:10:49. > :10:52.the size of our population, one tenth the size of our economy. It
:10:53. > :10:59.can be done and there is nothing stopping us. The overwhelming weight
:11:00. > :11:03.of established economic opinion is against leaving. Does that count for
:11:04. > :11:10.nothing? It depends what questions you ask. For example, the Treasury
:11:11. > :11:15.paper this week did not ask what I thought would be a fundamental
:11:16. > :11:20.question, which is, why is the EU growing less fast than China, the
:11:21. > :11:24.United States or indeed the UK? Another question very much on our
:11:25. > :11:29.lips until recently, what are the chances that the euro is going to
:11:30. > :11:33.collapse? If it does, what will be the consequence for those countries
:11:34. > :11:38.remaining within the European Union? If you ask those questions you can
:11:39. > :11:41.come up with gloomy answers. If you ask a different set of questions and
:11:42. > :11:45.avoid what seemed to be self evident questions that need to be answered,
:11:46. > :11:51.you will get a certain set of answers. You are quite right, your
:11:52. > :11:55.opening point was to say these people favour remaining. It is not
:11:56. > :11:57.that the evidence favours it, but they have decided they want to
:11:58. > :12:04.remain and then looked around for evidence. Both sides do that. I keep
:12:05. > :12:10.hearing this argument that it is the establishment which is to stay and
:12:11. > :12:14.it is about fat cats and big business and we must give power to
:12:15. > :12:18.the people. The hilarious thing is that I hear it from Jacob Rees-Mogg
:12:19. > :12:22.and Boris Johnson to people like me, that somehow I am toeing the
:12:23. > :12:27.establishment line. The idea that things like cheaper holidays and
:12:28. > :12:32.roaming charges do not matter to people, these things actually do
:12:33. > :12:36.matter to people. But should the future of Britain's plays in the
:12:37. > :12:43.world be decided on roaming charges? Of course it shouldn't. But to
:12:44. > :12:50.suggest these are not things people are interested in... Of course they
:12:51. > :12:55.are, and that is why they are using them, but what it is doing is
:12:56. > :13:00.distracting from the actual serious point, which is that we are trading
:13:01. > :13:03.our democracy for things like that. For cheaper holidays. And there is
:13:04. > :13:10.no proof that it would cause cheaper holidays.
:13:11. > :13:17.Switzerland and Norway are not excluded from roaming charges.
:13:18. > :13:21.People criticise the 1975 referendum for coming down to the price of
:13:22. > :13:22.butter. Are you happy that this referendum is coming down to roaming
:13:23. > :13:35.charges and cheap holidays? Listen, every campaign gets rough at
:13:36. > :13:38.the edges. That does not bother or surprise me. Cheap holidays, of
:13:39. > :13:43.course they matter to people, as does our place in the world, as does
:13:44. > :13:46.how we deal with challenges which we could not deal with on our own,
:13:47. > :13:51.whether it is climate change or cross-border crime. I would just
:13:52. > :13:55.like to go back to Francis Boulle's peace. Having spent some time
:13:56. > :13:59.working there, your piece is based on a complete fiction. There is not
:14:00. > :14:06.this is embodied dictatorship imposing stuff. What do you call a
:14:07. > :14:10.dictatorship, a bunch of unelected people dictating laws? The European
:14:11. > :14:16.Commission cannot impose laws. It is about half the size of HMRC. The
:14:17. > :14:20.EU's budget is a tiny am a minuscule fraction of our own budget. It
:14:21. > :14:26.sounds great, we are being dictated to. Actually, my experience is that
:14:27. > :14:29.it is just a permanent haggle, 306 to five days a year, between
:14:30. > :14:33.sovereign states doing deals with each other. There is no
:14:34. > :14:43.unaccountable democracy imposing laws on us. Well, I think the
:14:44. > :14:47.evidence speaks for itself. For the past 20 years we have challenged 72
:14:48. > :14:51.laws put forward by the EU commission and we have not won a
:14:52. > :14:56.single challenge. So clearly we are not having much influence. I think
:14:57. > :15:04.about 95% of all EU decisions are ones we are happy with. There is a
:15:05. > :15:10.very small number. I call that being dictated to. I don't mince my words.
:15:11. > :15:14.Remains is the pound will fall if we leave, and house prices will fall if
:15:15. > :15:21.we leave - why would either of these things be bad? Well, I mean, it's OK
:15:22. > :15:25.if you can take a shock to your economy. But we're still paying for
:15:26. > :15:29.the last shock which we had to our economy. And it is not big fancy
:15:30. > :15:34.people here, establishment people, who will suffer. A shock to our
:15:35. > :15:38.economy hits the poorest people. Why would it be bad if the pound fell or
:15:39. > :15:43.house prices fell? House prices to be honest have spiralled wildly out
:15:44. > :15:51.of control! So that wouldn't be bad, then. But there is a big problem of
:15:52. > :15:55.young people being able to afford houses. Things like the cost of
:15:56. > :15:59.petrol at the pump and all of that sort of thing. There would be an
:16:00. > :16:05.effect on people's pockets. On people in my constituency. Stuart
:16:06. > :16:08.Rose said the other day that in fact EU migration is driving down the
:16:09. > :16:17.wages of the poorest in our country. If you look at the past five
:16:18. > :16:22.years... I am not saying Hong Kong is perfect. But the principles of
:16:23. > :16:27.free trade, history shows they work. When the pound went down to about
:16:28. > :16:31.1.13, under the coalition government, of which the distinguish
:16:32. > :16:36.Debuchy primer list was with us this evening, I do not remember anybody
:16:37. > :16:43.saying that was a great calamity. -- the distinguished Deputy Prime
:16:44. > :16:46.Minister. We as a country rely on the generosity of strangers. The
:16:47. > :16:50.huge amount of money which is lent to us by people from other parts of
:16:51. > :16:54.the world, liens and billions of it. I do worry sometimes that if we were
:16:55. > :16:58.to pull out of the European Union, and Alex Salmond was saying today,
:16:59. > :17:01.another possible Scottish referendum, it would be much harder
:17:02. > :17:07.for us to borrow money, which we need to do, because otherwise...
:17:08. > :17:13.These are all prospects, and yet British bond yields are still at
:17:14. > :17:20.record lows. I don't think it's going to happen, but if did...! When
:17:21. > :17:24.you listen to Remain about what would be in store for us, the
:17:25. > :17:28.terrible things that would happen if we left the EU, you do wonder how we
:17:29. > :17:32.managed to survive on our own for 1000 years. You could make the
:17:33. > :17:37.argument both ways. We have been in this club for 41 years. If it was
:17:38. > :17:41.such a disaster, we wouldn't be the fastest-growing economy in the
:17:42. > :17:46.European Union. So you can't have it both ways. Excuse me, four decades,
:17:47. > :17:49.that's mainly because we've thwarted what you wanted to do, which was to
:17:50. > :17:55.join the euro full stop that has been asked of ocean. The only reason
:17:56. > :17:59.that Britain is in any way content in the European Union is because we,
:18:00. > :18:03.the Conservatives, back in the day, stopped us being in either Schengen
:18:04. > :18:06.or the euro, while you were busy campaigning for us to be in the
:18:07. > :18:12.euro. Don't laugh about it, you would have brought this country to
:18:13. > :18:15.ruin. I think the Conservative government of the time took the
:18:16. > :18:17.right decision, which was the single market. The single European act was
:18:18. > :18:27.the greatest pulling of sovereignty at any time undertaken. The Boadicea
:18:28. > :18:32.of Euroscepticism! The market went down by half! Let me put this to you
:18:33. > :18:40.chuckle when this country joined what was then the European economic
:18:41. > :18:45.community, London was fast becoming a declining backwater. During the
:18:46. > :18:52.membership of the European Union, this city has become the biggest,
:18:53. > :18:55.most successful city in Europe, if not the world. What's wrong with
:18:56. > :19:03.that? Imagine how much more successful if it could be if it was
:19:04. > :19:06.hampered by the single market. Back then, the EU trading bloc was the
:19:07. > :19:10.future, and it is not the future any more. Excuse me, that's because the
:19:11. > :19:17.Conservative government... What else did you do? Deregulated in 1984. It
:19:18. > :19:22.was big bang that made that happen. I will tell you a dog that is not
:19:23. > :19:26.barking. For all Project Fear, nobody this time dares to say the
:19:27. > :19:29.City of London will be ruined if we leave the European Union. That is
:19:30. > :19:32.because they know that they made such complete fools of themselves
:19:33. > :19:35.saying that the City of London would be ruined if we didn't join the
:19:36. > :19:42.euro. Thank goodness, even the Project Fear direct is not bringing
:19:43. > :19:51.up that one. We have just had a night saying it is a dictatorship,
:19:52. > :19:54.it is Hitler...! Let me ask you this, as we are coming to an end. Is
:19:55. > :20:01.this referendum cutting through to the public? No. I was going to ask
:20:02. > :20:05.him first! So what is the turnout going to be? It will be terribly
:20:06. > :20:11.low, don't know will win by a landslide. Maybe the people I am
:20:12. > :20:16.speaking to. People who want out speak very loudly about it, people
:20:17. > :20:22.who want in our shy. You think the turnout will be low if it is, it
:20:23. > :20:27.will be bad for your side? Yes, at I think it will be higher than Jessica
:20:28. > :20:32.thinks. People are not wildly... The bunting will not be out, it is not a
:20:33. > :20:37.street party moment. Actually, most normal people aren't that
:20:38. > :20:39.interested. But I sense in my constituency that people, even if
:20:40. > :20:43.they are not particularly interested in it, kind of get that it is
:20:44. > :20:49.important and that they probably should drag themselves to the
:20:50. > :20:54.polling station. Turnout? I'm still for less than 60%. Do you think you
:20:55. > :20:59.will win this argument? You know, I hope some, but I think... I don't
:21:00. > :21:01.know. You don't know. I just don't know.
:21:02. > :21:05.Now, it's late, "Alex Salmond gently stroking the hair
:21:06. > :21:10.But don't let the strange habits of the former First Minister send
:21:11. > :21:15.And the actor and adventurer is waiting in the wings,
:21:16. > :21:18.to tell us why we should embrace danger, rather than avoid it.
:21:19. > :21:21.And if you like to live life on the edge, follow us
:21:22. > :21:23.on The Twitter, The Fleecebook, InstaGranny, SnapDrivel and Gordon
:21:24. > :21:30.Now, the Chelsea Flower Show opened its garden gate this week.
:21:31. > :21:32.And as usual, the green-fingered This Week team have put
:21:33. > :21:35.in a strong entry for this year's competition.
:21:36. > :21:38.We've called our show garden Westminster Weeds,
:21:39. > :21:41.because although we're considered undesirable, the Yentobs
:21:42. > :21:46.Here's the New Statesman's Helen Lewis with her bloomin' marvellous
:21:47. > :22:22.You know the trouble with young people?
:22:23. > :22:29.25- to 40-year-olds have never learned to garden,
:22:30. > :22:31.according to the Royal Horticultural Society.
:22:32. > :22:33.And there's something else they don't enjoy doing
:22:34. > :22:39.With just a month to go to the EU referendum,
:22:40. > :22:44.Everyone's desperate to convince us to vote.
:22:45. > :22:47.With that in mind, George Osborne and David Cameron headed to B
:22:48. > :22:51.The shock to our economy after leaving Europe would tip
:22:52. > :22:56.This could be, for the first time in history, a recession
:22:57. > :23:04.As I stand here in B, it would be a DIY recession.
:23:05. > :23:06.I know, you thought this show was the place to come
:23:07. > :23:12.Elsewhere, things weren't quite so rosy either.
:23:13. > :23:14.Harriet Harman and Shirley Williams warned that not enough women's
:23:15. > :23:17.voices were being heard in the debate, while Nicola Sturgeon
:23:18. > :23:19.said all the doom mongering was putting people off.
:23:20. > :23:21.I'd much rather we were campaigning positively.
:23:22. > :23:27.In Scotland we've got lots of experience of Treasury
:23:28. > :23:29.reports during referendum campaigns and I think people have got
:23:30. > :23:34.savvy to see through some of the overblown claims.
:23:35. > :23:37.Meanwhile, Boris Johnson may have been a late bloomer as far
:23:38. > :23:40.as Euroscepticism is concerned, but on the campaign trail
:23:41. > :23:48.I think that they are rattled on the Remain side of the campaign
:23:49. > :23:55.because they are putting out more propaganda than we've seen at any
:23:56. > :23:58.time since 1992 when they said that we couldn't leave the European
:23:59. > :24:04.It was a liberation for this economy.
:24:05. > :24:11.They were wrong then, my friends, and they are wrong now.
:24:12. > :24:14.That said, there were times he just wanted to avoid
:24:15. > :24:20.I was told there was a gentleman who had an egg he was
:24:21. > :24:27.Now, there are people hungry in this country, my friend.
:24:28. > :24:33.Immigration is likely to dominate the final weeks of the EU campaign,
:24:34. > :24:36.and across Europe fears over free movement of people are driving
:24:37. > :24:41.In the Austrian presidential election this week, the far right
:24:42. > :24:47.candidate, Norbert Hoffer, lost by lost by just 31,000 votes.
:24:48. > :25:00.# And tiptoe through the tulips with me...#
:25:01. > :25:03.Back at home, things were exceptionally feisty
:25:04. > :25:11.where Angela Eagle enjoyed tearing into the Tories.
:25:12. > :25:19.With David Cameron away at a G7 meeting in Japan, her opponent
:25:20. > :25:21.was that sensitive little wallflower George Osborne.
:25:22. > :25:23.Following his second omnishambles Budget earlier this year,
:25:24. > :25:26.I see the Chancellor's approval ratings have collapsed by 80 points
:25:27. > :25:32.Given that he seems to be following a similar career path...
:25:33. > :25:36.Given that he seems to be following a similar career path,
:25:37. > :25:41.isn't it time he turned to Michael Portillo for advice?
:25:42. > :25:46.Last week the former would-be leader said of the Queen's Speech,
:25:47. > :25:52."After 23 years of careful thought about what they would like to do
:25:53. > :25:54.in power," Michael Portillo said, "the answer is nothing.
:25:55. > :25:59."There is nothing they want to do with office or power.
:26:00. > :26:02.The Government has nothing to do, nothing to say and thinks nothing,"
:26:03. > :26:08.I will tell you what we have done in recent weeks.
:26:09. > :26:13.We have taken another million people out of tax altogether.
:26:14. > :26:16.We have frozen fuel duty, cut business rates for small
:26:17. > :26:19.businesses, we have seen the deficit fall by another 16 billion,
:26:20. > :26:21.we have delivered a record number of jobs and introduced
:26:22. > :26:30.Outside Parliament, Jeremy Corbyn took time away from his allotment
:26:31. > :26:33.to protest with steelworkers who want the Government to help Tata
:26:34. > :26:41.Putting pressure on from the very beginning.
:26:42. > :26:43.One of them is to halt the Chinese steel dumping.
:26:44. > :26:46.I went to see the Chinese President and raised that issue with him.
:26:47. > :26:54.The other thing is a European-wide rate to prevent Chinese dumping,
:26:55. > :26:57.and that is beginning to happen, but again the British Government has
:26:58. > :26:59.been last in line to do anything about it.
:27:00. > :27:02.Thirdly, the British Government must be prepared to take a public stake
:27:03. > :27:08.Corbyn's predecessor as Labour leader, Tony Blair,
:27:09. > :27:11.popped up to say we should nip Isis in the bud by invading
:27:12. > :27:15.Air strikes are not going to defeat Isis.
:27:16. > :27:17.They've got to be tackled on the ground.
:27:18. > :27:19.It doesn't mean to say that it's our forces all the time.
:27:20. > :27:25.But do not be under any doubt at all.
:27:26. > :27:29.If you want to defeat these people, you're going to have to go and wage
:27:30. > :27:33.And if you think that was the most controversial political
:27:34. > :27:36.intervention of the week, wait until you see the Remain
:27:37. > :27:38.campaign's video for young people, which seems to think
:27:39. > :28:06.Anyway, I must get back to my begonias.
:28:07. > :28:08.I'm sure the judges from Chelsea will be
:28:09. > :28:14.I think I've done something really avant-garde here.
:28:15. > :28:30.Thank you to the team at the garden Centre in Herne Hill. They would not
:28:31. > :28:34.let us into the Chelsea Flower Show. How nasty is this war getting
:28:35. > :28:40.between the Tories during the referendum? I don't think I have
:28:41. > :28:46.much to Ed to the situation last week when I said it was really
:28:47. > :28:49.bitter and I thought it was about a 50-50 split between the remains and
:28:50. > :29:00.the levers and a difficult situation once this was all over. Shares in
:29:01. > :29:04.George Osborne have been dumped. It is generally thought that Boris
:29:05. > :29:11.Johnson, so far, has not had a great campaign. Where does that leave the
:29:12. > :29:14.post-Cameron Tory leadership? I think the candidates who would go
:29:15. > :29:19.forward in the near future would be Boris Johnson and Theresa May. Boris
:29:20. > :29:25.has not had a good campaign that on the other hand we just lost London,
:29:26. > :29:30.which rather suggests he was an exceptional election winning figure
:29:31. > :29:35.to hold London for 80 years. And he has put himself on the Leave side,
:29:36. > :29:41.and the majority of people who will vote for the next Tory leader are
:29:42. > :29:45.likely to be voting leave. The Tories think that no matter how much
:29:46. > :29:50.they knock spots off each other, which is never good for a party to
:29:51. > :29:55.be seen to be fighting, they think that Labour is such a mess that does
:29:56. > :30:02.not effect of area election chances. Are they right? It is impossible to
:30:03. > :30:05.say what will happen in future but I think the Tories feel pretty
:30:06. > :30:09.confident that they can air their dirty laundry in public for a little
:30:10. > :30:14.while because they have some leeway. That is definitely the way they
:30:15. > :30:20.feel, although I think the airing after the referendum will be worse
:30:21. > :30:23.than what has come before. There has been a sense in which this
:30:24. > :30:29.referendum has been, if not a wholly-owned subsidiary of the Tory
:30:30. > :30:35.party, largely an internal Tory argument. Which is a problem for the
:30:36. > :30:38.three quarters of the electorate that did not vote for the
:30:39. > :30:43.Conservatives, or did not vote at all. The vast majority did not vote
:30:44. > :30:49.for the current government and are not interested in the Tory
:30:50. > :30:54.infighting. I find in parts of the country, such as Sheffield, and I
:30:55. > :30:57.suspect your constituency, it is a real difficulty when you are talking
:30:58. > :31:01.to people on the doorstep and they say, I find this quite off-putting.
:31:02. > :31:05.I do not think it will change because it is a great story so the
:31:06. > :31:10.media love it, and it is self-inflicted. David Cameron called
:31:11. > :31:15.the referendum and it was driven principally because of divisions in
:31:16. > :31:19.the party. I always assumed, because the country will be desperate to
:31:20. > :31:23.move on, of course there will be some people who will bang on about
:31:24. > :31:31.it in the Conservative Party, but I have a hunch that they will move on
:31:32. > :31:35.quicker than people might imagine. They are obsessives. There are 42
:31:36. > :31:43.are obsessives. I plucked that number. But I think there are quite
:31:44. > :31:48.a large number who feel they have been bruised by the way they have
:31:49. > :31:50.been treated, by the way the campaign has been conducted. Given
:31:51. > :31:55.that the Prime Minister is not fighting the next election, how many
:31:56. > :32:02.of those bruised people will feel that change should come sooner
:32:03. > :32:07.rather than later. This could be Labour's opportunity in
:32:08. > :32:12.Parliamentary terms, because there is a prospect, given how small the
:32:13. > :32:16.Government's majority is and there could be 40 people feeling bruised,
:32:17. > :32:21.who have the taste of rebellion in their mouths, that you could well,
:32:22. > :32:25.as far as the Government is concerned, this could become a
:32:26. > :32:31.zombie parliament, a parliament in which not very much can happen. It
:32:32. > :32:39.is not just the Euro-sceptic divide, but a new breed of Tory MP from the
:32:40. > :32:43.last election that are wet. Many people approached me after I asked a
:32:44. > :32:48.question of the Prime Minister last week and said, we are on your side,
:32:49. > :32:53.many backbenchers. I think it speaks to David Cameron's weakness. The
:32:54. > :32:57.same reason we are having the referendum. He threw in the towel
:32:58. > :33:02.and everybody thinks they can misbehave because they can pick
:33:03. > :33:11.their lane. Supposing the Government wins the referendum by a reasonable
:33:12. > :33:15.margin, it could still have trouble getting its way. It has a small
:33:16. > :33:18.majority and has to have a leadership election while trying to
:33:19. > :33:23.ride the bicycle of government. But there are big things which will come
:33:24. > :33:27.into sight. The fiscal promises they have made are completely incredible.
:33:28. > :33:32.There is no way George Osborne can generate this surplus by the end of
:33:33. > :33:36.the parliament. Not only have they failed in one parliament, but over a
:33:37. > :33:39.decade. Hospitals and schools will come under pressure and Middle
:33:40. > :33:44.England does not like that. Those things will intrude while they are
:33:45. > :33:48.arguing about who will lead to them. I think those things will be more
:33:49. > :33:56.difficult to navigate than the bruised egos after the referendum
:33:57. > :33:59.campaign. I always thought David Cameron was in the ideal position
:34:00. > :34:14.when he was leading a coalition which included 57 Liberal
:34:15. > :34:17.Democrats... A distant memory. The lamp -- the number of Liberal
:34:18. > :34:20.Democrats was higher than the number of head-bangers in the Tory party.
:34:21. > :34:24.He is in a more difficult position now and I think this Government is
:34:25. > :34:31.turning out to be less distinguished than the one in which you were
:34:32. > :34:40.involved. Where would you place the Lib Dems on their trajectory of
:34:41. > :34:44.recovery? Starting. Don't snigger. I know it's a long climb back. In the
:34:45. > :34:51.local elections we got the third highest proportion. The largest net
:34:52. > :34:55.gains, from a low base. It is a start. We got absolutely hammered
:34:56. > :35:02.last year. We are trusting ourselves down and starting the recovery. You
:35:03. > :35:08.have come back from worse. I remember when the Lib Dems had
:35:09. > :35:11.Jeremy Thorpe, or David steel, a national figure leading them and
:35:12. > :35:15.that is what you do not have the moment.
:35:16. > :35:18.Now, here on This Week, we like to think we fear nothing.
:35:19. > :35:22.Like us, you have probably run screaming from the room
:35:23. > :35:24.on numerous occasions, having caught sight of one
:35:25. > :35:27.It turns out there's a perfectly good explanation.
:35:28. > :35:33.You must be suffering from something called sidero-dromo-phobia,
:35:34. > :35:36.the medical term for an abnormal fear of trains, train
:35:37. > :35:42.Either that, or Michael Portillo gives you the willies,
:35:43. > :35:44.which is hard to believe, I know.
:35:45. > :36:02.And that's why we're putting "danger" in this week's Spotlight.
:36:03. > :36:04.Grim news from the slopes of the world's highest mountain,
:36:05. > :36:09.which claimed a number of climbers' lives this week.
:36:10. > :36:12.But for those driven by danger, is conquering Everest
:36:13. > :36:19.the peak of excitement and a risk worth taking?
:36:20. > :36:21.The world certainly seems more dangerous.
:36:22. > :36:24.Even beach holidays are outside the comfort zone for some people,
:36:25. > :36:26.with government warnings about travel to Tunisia,
:36:27. > :36:29.Egypt and Turkey, and holiday bookings dramatically down due
:36:30. > :36:39.So, living on the edge isn't for everyone, and if you believe
:36:40. > :36:41.the warnings of Project Fear, that's exactly what leaving the EU
:36:42. > :36:48.But isn't one man's terrifyingly leap into the unknown another man's
:36:49. > :37:00.We're going to sail to the top this time, God willing.
:37:01. > :37:07.If anyone embraces danger, it's the man who's attempted
:37:08. > :37:08.Everest three times, survived a plane crash
:37:09. > :37:12.in the Venezuelan jungle and punched a polar bear in the nose.
:37:13. > :37:16.But what's the appeal of a life like that, and would you risk life
:37:17. > :37:36.He climbed up and got back up again and he joins us here. Welcome back,
:37:37. > :37:42.Brian. It is wonderful to be here are terrific. And Jess is looking
:37:43. > :37:48.gorgeous. She never swears in the House of Commons, but she does that
:37:49. > :37:57.with her nose, which means she is saying something. Shall I just rip
:37:58. > :38:03.up the questions? Can I say, this is my favourite programme. My wife
:38:04. > :38:12.adores it. The most dangerous thing you can do on every arrest is to
:38:13. > :38:19.wear green. Why? Oh, my God, he is wearing a green shirt. Did you just
:38:20. > :38:27.make that up? He looks like the King of the leprechauns. Why can't you
:38:28. > :38:34.wear green? It is very bad drought -- bad luck. I know you have torn up
:38:35. > :38:44.your questions. I will not dry up, I promise. I will have Nick's water.
:38:45. > :38:48.It is vodka. I think the most dangerous thing you can face on
:38:49. > :38:54.Mount Everest, you always must make sure that you camp above the French.
:38:55. > :39:07.Because they will crap on you from a great height. You get underneath
:39:08. > :39:14.and, look out, Brian. Does this bring us back to the European Union?
:39:15. > :39:20.Is something going on in Europe? Why are you always putting your life on
:39:21. > :39:26.the line? I think the greatest danger in life is not taking the
:39:27. > :39:32.adventure. There are Everests everywhere. It can be your garden,
:39:33. > :39:42.your garden shed, your greenhouse, whatever. Why is that risky? It is
:39:43. > :39:47.the challenge, you mean. Yes, everywhere. Since the age of seven,
:39:48. > :39:52.I always wanted to follow in the footsteps of Mallory, wearing the
:39:53. > :39:56.same clothes. It's all right, I am not going to grab you, I promise.
:39:57. > :40:06.This is what it is like at base camp. Is this what the French do? It
:40:07. > :40:15.is quite a serious thing, going to the toilet on Mount Everest. We were
:40:16. > :40:21.at 27,000 feet. The wind was blowing, we were about to go for the
:40:22. > :40:27.summit, and suddenly Adams said to me, I've got to go for a crap. I
:40:28. > :40:32.said, you can't. We are at 27,000 feet, the wind is blowing everywhere
:40:33. > :40:39.and there is a four mile drop, four men in a two man tent. This is
:40:40. > :40:46.reality. I said, crap in your pants. It will turn to dust, as it does at
:40:47. > :40:56.altitude. The quiet, Nick. I brought his body across. The bloody can of
:40:57. > :41:03.beans are coming out... I got him across my body, the snow was coming
:41:04. > :41:08.in. I have this gift for altitude and they did not. I said, tie
:41:09. > :41:12.yourself off, think of your mother and your children, try and
:41:13. > :41:23.concentrate. He went out there and he had a crap. He came back in and,
:41:24. > :41:28.get him across my body. We were still alive. I thought, Christ,
:41:29. > :41:32.well, we had better have a brew up. We were getting the brew up ready
:41:33. > :41:42.and suddenly Graham said, there's a terrible smell of crap. I turned
:41:43. > :41:50.round and there was a third on his shoulder. He had had a crap and the
:41:51. > :41:59.wind had blown it up in the air. It had landed on his shoulder. That is
:42:00. > :42:07.the glamour of Mount Everest. You don't get this on Newsnight or
:42:08. > :42:14.Panorama. You don't get this on ITV. You don't get this on the Ten
:42:15. > :42:20.O'Clock News. You are going to do the opposite of Everest, going to
:42:21. > :42:25.the deepest flaw of the ocean. I want to go to the deepest trench,
:42:26. > :42:30.mine extend venture. I will make this straight and clear, because
:42:31. > :42:41.there is no end to my talents, Michael. But I have completed 800
:42:42. > :42:48.hours space training. I have been training at reunion Island in the
:42:49. > :43:01.Pacific. You have the choice of whether to go up or down. I am a
:43:02. > :43:07.trained cosmonaut. How do you complete that procedure you just
:43:08. > :43:15.talked about? Don't go there. Are you directing a play? You have done
:43:16. > :43:22.your work. You are looking at a genius. I have always been humble.
:43:23. > :43:27.Give us the name. I am trying to get you a plug. I was the master of
:43:28. > :43:33.ceremonies for the Hong Kong handover. Remember that? You didn't
:43:34. > :43:41.know that. I literally handed over Hong Kong. We are going to have two
:43:42. > :43:47.handover to continuity. Good luck with the play. It is great to have
:43:48. > :43:51.you and once again, public service broadcasting at its finest!
:43:52. > :43:53.That's your lot for tonight, folks, but not for us.
:43:54. > :43:55.Because today was Jezza Corbyn's 67th birthday, and Charles Clarke's
:43:56. > :43:58.minicab is waiting to whisk us away to the Red Rose Tandoori
:43:59. > :44:01.in Islington North, to share a keema naan at the feet
:44:02. > :44:06.It wasn't just Jezza's special day today.
:44:07. > :44:15.And we all have to sing happy birthday, or he's
:44:16. > :44:26.promised to storm off in an almighty strop.
:44:27. > :44:46.# Happy birthday to you # Happy birthday to you
:44:47. > :44:49.# Happy birthday, dear Michael # Happy birthday to you.
:44:50. > :45:00.# Once upon a time, there was
:45:01. > :45:07.a great and glorious king.