:00:19. > :00:26.Tonight on Eurotrash, Dave had to say goodbye to his European buddies.
:00:27. > :00:30.They thought they would have Boris Johnson to centre Coventry, but he
:00:31. > :00:38.saw through their little plan and pulled out. In fact, the race to be
:00:39. > :00:44.next Tory leader is throwing up a smorgasbord of surprises. Radio host
:00:45. > :00:49.Iain Dale is very excited. Boris may have been knifed in the back but the
:00:50. > :00:57.Conservative Party has served up five decent candidates.
:00:58. > :01:01.Jeremy Corbyn still has his job and has successfully filled his Shadow
:01:02. > :01:08.Cabinet with a new look crude. Do they look like a cool lot, or a
:01:09. > :01:13.clueless bunch? Andrew Rawnsley buys shares in apocalyptic commentary. In
:01:14. > :01:16.the aftermath of the European referendum the Conservative Party
:01:17. > :01:26.and the Labour Party competed to see which could unleash unprecedented
:01:27. > :01:30.chaos. Both one. And is that David Starkey with the
:01:31. > :01:36.big hand of history? How do you fancy that on your shoulder? Amidst
:01:37. > :01:40.the finger-pointing, history is surely going to remember this week
:01:41. > :01:47.as the time that written lost its collective sanity. Indeed this, and
:01:48. > :01:55.this Week, could well be the least surreal TV you seen for some time.
:01:56. > :01:58.Don't be down, Boris won't be coming to a pie shop near you for a while.
:01:59. > :02:11.Every cloud and all that. Why worry? Evenin' all, welcome to This Week,
:02:12. > :02:17.and let me make clear what I've I do not want to
:02:18. > :02:24.I'm not equipped to present Question Time.
:02:25. > :02:30.There are lots of talented people who could do it, but count me out.
:02:31. > :02:32.Whatever posters you put up on your wall, do not
:02:33. > :02:37.There are people far better than me who could and should
:02:38. > :02:57.You'd like me to present Question Time?
:02:58. > :03:11.Speaking of Michael Gove - and worthless assurances -
:03:12. > :03:14.I'm joined on the sofa tonight by a divided Britain that
:03:15. > :03:20.Think of them as the Remain Humble and the Leave Me Alone of late
:03:21. > :03:23.I speak, of course, of #manontheleft Alan "AJ" Johnson
:03:24. > :03:34.and #sadmanonatrain Michael "I'm too Brexy for my shirt" Portillo.
:03:35. > :03:42.It is a special of the week, so let's have reflections. My
:03:43. > :03:46.reflection is that we have never had a more professional political class,
:03:47. > :03:50.people who will devote their life to professional politics, and the level
:03:51. > :03:55.of incompetence has increased with it. David Cameron had no need to
:03:56. > :03:59.call the referendum. He did it purely for party political reasons.
:04:00. > :04:03.He was worried about Ukip which I think at the time had no members of
:04:04. > :04:09.Parliament and now has one. That is how good his political instinct was.
:04:10. > :04:14.His stock in trade was short-term, so he did not think through the
:04:15. > :04:18.consequences. He lost himself his job, split his party from top to
:04:19. > :04:23.bottom, took Britain out of the European Union, which he thought
:04:24. > :04:27.would be a catastrophe, all because he was too clever by half and this
:04:28. > :04:31.was his cynical view of the world. He did not like the European Union
:04:32. > :04:35.but was too frightened to leave and thought the British people would be
:04:36. > :04:39.too frightened to leave. On the other side, the Labour Party,
:04:40. > :04:41.governed by professional politicians, devised a system for
:04:42. > :04:45.electing its leader which would enable the members of the country to
:04:46. > :04:49.elect someone in whom the members of Parliament have no confidence
:04:50. > :04:52.whatsoever. That was a perfectly foreseeable situation. I think it
:04:53. > :04:59.was reformed under Ed Miliband, and it has produced this complete
:05:00. > :05:02.catastrophe. As a postscript, had Boris Johnson been elected leader of
:05:03. > :05:06.the Conservative Party, we would have had a similar disaster,
:05:07. > :05:10.although at least the Conservative Party, the two people who go before
:05:11. > :05:13.the country must be nominated by MPs. These are the results of the
:05:14. > :05:21.most professional class politicians we have ever had. Is the programme
:05:22. > :05:27.over, or do I have time... Thanks for watching. See you next week. My
:05:28. > :05:30.moment follows on from what Michael was saying. The Prime Minister
:05:31. > :05:36.resigned at 8:15am on Friday. The pound is sinking, pensioners'
:05:37. > :05:41.annuities have lost value, we lost our triple-A rating, Scotland might
:05:42. > :05:46.be leaving the United Kingdom. In Parliament on Monday, he came in as
:05:47. > :05:54.if he was attending a local fair in his constituency. You have to admire
:05:55. > :05:58.it. But the incredible thing is that Parliament was so kind to him. With
:05:59. > :06:03.all that was going on you would have thought in Parliament that it was
:06:04. > :06:07.just another day at the office. It struck me as bizarre. Well, it will
:06:08. > :06:18.probably surprise you but we will talk more about all of this. Either
:06:19. > :06:20.that, or the situation now Bay near. -- in Albania.
:06:21. > :06:23.Now, we may get by with a little help from our friends,
:06:24. > :06:26.but Boris Johnson is probably hoping he picks better ones in future
:06:27. > :06:28.after fellow Brexiteer - and supposed sidekick in
:06:29. > :06:30.his leadership bid - Michael Gove took the Go out
:06:31. > :06:33.of BoGo and decided he should be Prime Minister instead.
:06:34. > :06:35.Action that prompted a shock announcement from Boris
:06:36. > :06:37.that he would not now stand for the party leadership.
:06:38. > :06:40.Gove - the man who claimed he would write on parchment
:06:41. > :06:43.in his own blood that he didn't want to be leader -
:06:44. > :06:46.claimed his friend was not capable of leading the party and the country
:06:47. > :06:53.And what of the five candidates who are still
:06:54. > :07:05.Here's LBC presenter Iain Dale with his take of the week.
:07:06. > :07:12.# All the time they want to take your place, the backstabbers
:07:13. > :07:19.# All the time they want to take your place, the backstabbers...#
:07:20. > :07:23.It's been a tumultuous week, which has certainly given me a lot to talk
:07:24. > :07:28.about, and the latest plot twist, the ambush of BoJo, has
:07:29. > :07:31.electrified the Westminster media this morning.
:07:32. > :07:34.But this ambush doesn't feel spontaneous.
:07:35. > :07:36.It has all the hallmarks of a particularly dastardly plotline
:07:37. > :07:40.from Game Of Thrones - a fan of which just happens to be
:07:41. > :07:43.the recently announced leadership candidate,
:07:44. > :07:52.the man who put the Go in BoGo, Michael Gove.
:07:53. > :07:54.I think it was Boris's article in the Telegraph on Monday
:07:55. > :07:58.It was all over the place on the single market and,
:07:59. > :08:01.strangely enough, it was edited by his fellow Leave campaigner,
:08:02. > :08:07.Support started ebbing away at that point among his fellow MPs
:08:08. > :08:09.and I was cycling past Downing Street -
:08:10. > :08:12.on a Boris bike, of course - and saw people holding placards
:08:13. > :08:18.This is a level of unpopularity that I don't think Boris has
:08:19. > :08:29.# All the time they want to take your place, the backstabbers...#
:08:30. > :08:31.But, whilst BoJo was undoubtedly knifed
:08:32. > :08:33.in the back, he didn't have to fall on his sword.
:08:34. > :08:36.But nothing became the man like the manner in which
:08:37. > :08:44.When I was David Davis's chief of staff in the 2005 leadership
:08:45. > :08:47.contest, I well remember David Cameron's electrifying
:08:48. > :08:51.speech at the party conference in Blackpool.
:08:52. > :08:53.We could immediately feel support draining away from us.
:08:54. > :08:59.Boris was wise to sense this tide change.
:09:00. > :09:02.It's probably the most statesman-like thing he's ever done.
:09:03. > :09:05.It should guarantee him a top post in the next government,
:09:06. > :09:12.One of my callers was railing against Gove's plotting and Boris's
:09:13. > :09:14.departure, accusing him of leaving the Tories without
:09:15. > :09:26.In spite of the Tories seemingly using House of Cards as a training
:09:27. > :09:28.manual in recent weeks, I think they've found five
:09:29. > :09:35.None of whom went to Eton, none of whom were in the Bullingdon Club
:09:36. > :09:38.and all of whom are firmly in the one nation Tory camp.
:09:39. > :09:41.I think all of them could lead the party through the choppy waters
:09:42. > :09:44.of the next three years onto election victory in 2020 or,
:09:45. > :09:56.And from professional broadcasting at Classic FM
:09:57. > :10:08.to amateur dramatics here on This Week, welcome Iain.
:10:09. > :10:18.Did Michael Gove stab Boris Johnson in the back, or the front? Both,
:10:19. > :10:21.with two knives. It appears he did not get hold of Boris Johnson to
:10:22. > :10:26.tell him what he was about to do. His camp say that he tried, but not
:10:27. > :10:31.very hard, it seems. You can normally get hold of someone if you
:10:32. > :10:36.want to. That is quite revealing. I think Michael Gove in his interview
:10:37. > :10:39.with Laura Kuenssberg earlier made a lot of the points that a lot of the
:10:40. > :10:45.Tories would have made and Michael has been making for ten years about
:10:46. > :10:52.Boris's qualifications. What changed in the last 48 hours, or was it
:10:53. > :10:55.planned in advance? I suspect we won't find that out until the Sunday
:10:56. > :11:00.papers when the full story comes out. There is a school of thought
:11:01. > :11:04.that it was planned by Dominic Cummings, Michael Gove's Prince of
:11:05. > :11:09.darkness, his equivalent of Peter Mandelson. Apparently Michael Gove
:11:10. > :11:12.wanted Dominic Cummings to have some involvement in the Boris Johnson
:11:13. > :11:18.campaign and Boris would not even hand over the list of MPs to Michael
:11:19. > :11:24.Gove, who was his campaign chairman, and it started from there. It is the
:11:25. > :11:27.minutiae of politics, to go back on the long expressed view that you are
:11:28. > :11:31.not fit to be Prime Minister, do not want to be Prime Minister, just
:11:32. > :11:37.because you cannot get your own man in. There are some very angry MPs in
:11:38. > :11:42.Westminster tonight. And it could be that Johnson's supporters are very
:11:43. > :11:46.bitter. But Mr Johnson may have been popular with the Tory faithful but
:11:47. > :11:51.he was not so popular in the parliamentary party. Do you think Mr
:11:52. > :11:56.Gove detected a stop Boris campaign? Yes, I think that is possible. I
:11:57. > :11:59.mentioned that we could have found ourselves in a position where the
:12:00. > :12:03.Conservative membership elected Boris and the members of Parliament
:12:04. > :12:07.were only in favour of him in a small minority, which would have
:12:08. > :12:11.been disastrous. Boris must have smelt that as well. The speed with
:12:12. > :12:15.which he withdrew, felt that the numbers had disappeared, but let's
:12:16. > :12:21.get to the big picture, because Ian has already mentioned it. Boris was
:12:22. > :12:24.unsuitable to be Prime Minister. Whatever Michael Gove has done, I
:12:25. > :12:29.must say he has enabled me to breathe again. I was in terrible
:12:30. > :12:32.fear of this country being led by Boris Johnson. He would have been a
:12:33. > :12:39.disastrous Prime Minister. I entirely agree with Ian that any of
:12:40. > :12:44.the five, particularly the two front runners, would be a decent Prime
:12:45. > :12:49.Minister. The two front runners are Theresa and Michael Gove. I don't
:12:50. > :12:55.agree. I think the front runners are Theresa May and Andreja Klepac some.
:12:56. > :13:00.-- Andrea Leadsom. Because people see it, in the same way that Ed
:13:01. > :13:06.Miliband stabbed David Miliband in the back, this is worse. But Ed
:13:07. > :13:11.Miliband one. People think he stabbed David Cameron in the back
:13:12. > :13:15.and now Boris Johnson. That shows ruthlessness, which sometimes in
:13:16. > :13:20.politics you need. The assassin never wins. Ask Michael Heseltine.
:13:21. > :13:25.The favourite never wins and Theresa May is the favourite. If Michael
:13:26. > :13:29.Gove wins, the any way he could achieve it would be to convince
:13:30. > :13:33.people that a Lever has to be Prime Minister in order to negotiate a way
:13:34. > :13:39.out of the European Union. That is the week sued for Theresa May. I
:13:40. > :13:43.understand that Andrea Leadsom is there as well, but she is less
:13:44. > :13:46.well-known. Michael has the secondary argument that he has held
:13:47. > :13:53.many of the great positions of state and has experience. Allen, Theresa
:13:54. > :13:57.May has her critics. People do not warm to her, can find her quite
:13:58. > :14:04.cold. But isn't it remarkable that she has survived six years in the
:14:05. > :14:08.Home Office? I have to give her that. I criticise her on many things
:14:09. > :14:11.but that is a remarkable achievement. Herbert Morrison said
:14:12. > :14:16.the walls of the Home Office are paved with dynamite. It is a funny
:14:17. > :14:20.analogy, not the floor but the walls. But many political careers
:14:21. > :14:26.have died in that department and she has come through after six years.
:14:27. > :14:32.The interesting thing, and I wonder if you can answer this question, is
:14:33. > :14:34.where the media are in this. Rupert Murdoch, Anthony Hilton, the
:14:35. > :14:37.economics editor of the Evening Standard said that Murdoch told him
:14:38. > :14:41.when he was asked why he was anti-European Union, he said, when I
:14:42. > :14:46.go to Number Ten Downing St they do as I say, but when I go to Brussels
:14:47. > :14:52.they ignore me. It seems there was an issue here about Murdoch and the
:14:53. > :14:55.Daily Mail, where their support was going, and that their support
:14:56. > :15:02.changed from Boris Johnson to Michael Gove. Secondly, you only
:15:03. > :15:09.need a proposer and second for the Tories, not a whole swathe. Why
:15:10. > :15:14.didn't Boris stay and slug it out? I agree he would be a disaster. After
:15:15. > :15:18.the Telegraph article, which was all over the place on the single market,
:15:19. > :15:25.it led Michael Gove to think, hang on, is he really in favour of total
:15:26. > :15:28.leaving of the EU? And a lot of hard-core Euro-sceptics on the Tory
:15:29. > :15:34.benches looked at that and thought, hang on, and I know one or two
:15:35. > :15:38.contacts of mine went to see Boris. He said, total misunderstanding, as
:15:39. > :15:42.he often does. Going back to the media, tomorrow's Daily Mail comes
:15:43. > :15:48.out for Theresa May, which might result in the resignation of Mrs
:15:49. > :15:53.Michael Gove as a columnist. Who knows. Rupert Murdoch is an admirer
:15:54. > :16:01.of Michael Gove and has played a role in this, I think. He is not an
:16:02. > :16:04.admirer of Boris Johnson. He has this Australian antique Etonian view
:16:05. > :16:10.of things. He loves the Michael Gove narrative of the fishmonger's son.
:16:11. > :16:16.He has played some role. For those who think there has been an ambush,
:16:17. > :16:20.and I can accept that, why on earth would Sarah Vine right in that
:16:21. > :16:23.e-mail about Paul Dacre and Rupert Murdoch vesture my Baptist I might.
:16:24. > :16:33.There is a school of thought that Dominic Cummings was behind that.
:16:34. > :16:38.Let me ask you, does it matter, to Mike Theresa May is the front
:16:39. > :16:41.runner, I think we agree. It may not be a healthy position, but she is
:16:42. > :16:46.the front runner. Does it matter that she was a remain, even though
:16:47. > :16:53.she was a reluctant one. In her case, I think not. If I was
:16:54. > :16:57.thinking, who do I cast my vote for, my key criterion would be, if that
:16:58. > :17:01.person is sitting across from Angela Merkel or Vladimir Putin, can I
:17:02. > :17:06.trust them to be tough and look them in the eye and say No? With Theresa
:17:07. > :17:15.May commie can absolutely do that. Stephen Crabb is an unknown
:17:16. > :17:24.quantity. Michael Gove... She could hand the negotiations over to
:17:25. > :17:32.Michael Gove if he doesn't win. She will not do that, they hate each
:17:33. > :17:35.other. In any case, not really. The Prime Minister cannot subcontract
:17:36. > :17:39.the leaving of the European Union. Of course, and a day-to-day basis,
:17:40. > :17:43.attending the meetings, but all of the crucial decisions must be made
:17:44. > :17:50.by the Prime Minister. She said at the launch that that is what she
:17:51. > :18:04.would do. She swings both ways, doesn't she, Theresa May, in a
:18:05. > :18:09.European sense? Do any of the other three candidates stand a chance?
:18:10. > :18:14.Stephen Crabb has more support than you might have thought, about 25.
:18:15. > :18:22.They all stand a chance because we know that things happen. Which of
:18:23. > :18:26.the five candidates, and we know all five now that the list is closed,
:18:27. > :18:36.which candidate would Labour find most forbidding -- most formidable?
:18:37. > :18:41.Theresa May. I think we would wish for Michael Gove. In that European
:18:42. > :18:45.debate the things he said, the British public are sick of experts,
:18:46. > :18:50.and then he made that remarkable... I think Theresa May. Five
:18:51. > :18:56.candidates, none of them went to Eton, four out of five were either
:18:57. > :19:00.state educated or part state educated. Should Labour be worried?
:19:01. > :19:11.We should be worried and concerned, of course. We have enough on our
:19:12. > :19:19.plate. Posh Tories has been a constant theme. Is it coming to an
:19:20. > :19:24.end? I was in that documentary. John Major, Margaret Thatcher, it is not
:19:25. > :19:29.the first time the Tories have had... Maybe it is not a trend any
:19:30. > :19:35.more. Who would make the better Prime Minister, Theresa May or
:19:36. > :19:37.Michael Gove? I think Michael Gove, because he believes things more
:19:38. > :19:42.strongly, because it is important and should be a Leave candidate,
:19:43. > :19:46.because I think he is highly intelligent. I am not saying that
:19:47. > :19:51.Theresa isn't, for a minute. I would be perfectly happy if Theresa wins.
:19:52. > :19:55.I think we have a good set of candidates, but Michael Gove would
:19:56. > :20:02.be my candidate. I am sorry he is unpopular. Didn't he write a book
:20:03. > :20:08.about you? He did. You could write a book about him. I am not declaring
:20:09. > :20:14.who I want because I have to interview them all the time. You
:20:15. > :20:17.wouldn't declare it, would you? I certainly wouldn't. I rest my case.
:20:18. > :20:20.Thank you very much. Now it's late - Brexy's
:20:21. > :20:21.Midnight Runners late. So keep popping the pills and stay
:20:22. > :20:24.wide awake, because waiting in the wings, David Starkey is here
:20:25. > :20:28.to talk about the hand of history. And if you'd like to be a minor
:20:29. > :20:31.footnote in the This Week story, you can follow us on the Twitter,
:20:32. > :20:33.the Fleecebook, SnapNumpty and Gordon Brown's
:20:34. > :20:36.Intergalactic Web Sphere. Now, after the referendum result,
:20:37. > :20:39.are you feeling up? Or are you just a little
:20:40. > :20:43.bit all over the place? A bit like the stock markets
:20:44. > :20:45.and sterling, really. So we sent the Observer's
:20:46. > :20:47.Andrew Rawnsley down to the Henley Business School
:20:48. > :20:50.to find out who's been trading places in a tumultuous
:20:51. > :21:13.week in Westminster. Sell, sell, sell. Those of you with
:21:14. > :21:17.long memories will recall that the Tories won last year's election by
:21:18. > :21:23.promising that they alone could guarantee certainty and stability.
:21:24. > :21:30.How is that working out for you? Sell, sell, sell everything. A
:21:31. > :21:35.referendum result that split the country down the middle has
:21:36. > :21:39.unleashed wild volatility on the financial and political markets. At
:21:40. > :21:44.7am on Monday morning and anxious world waited to hear from a voice of
:21:45. > :21:49.authority. The government came up with George Osborne. Britain has the
:21:50. > :21:56.strongest major advanced economy in the world. I said we had to fix the
:21:57. > :22:02.roof so that we were prepared for whatever the future held, and thank
:22:03. > :22:08.goodness we did. Soon afterwards, the pound sunk to a 31- year low
:22:09. > :22:13.against the dollar. Get rid of them all, I don't want to be holding any
:22:14. > :22:17.Osbornes. The Chancellor, once a favourite to be the next Prime
:22:18. > :22:21.Minister, will not even be a candidate for the Tory leadership.
:22:22. > :22:27.In these turbulent times, at least we can rely on Her Majesty's
:22:28. > :22:31.opposition, to fall apart. In despair with Jeremy Corbyn, members
:22:32. > :22:35.of the Shadow Cabinet started to tender their resignation. What a
:22:36. > :22:39.welcome for the new Labour MP for Tooting on her first day in
:22:40. > :22:43.Parliament. Let me welcome the new member for Tooting to her place. I
:22:44. > :22:50.would advise her to keep her mobile phone on, she might be in the Shadow
:22:51. > :22:57.Cabinet by the end of the day. And I thought I was having a bad day. Our
:22:58. > :23:01.country is divided, and the country will thank me that the benches in
:23:02. > :23:14.front of me, nor those behind, for indulging in internal factional
:23:15. > :23:18.manoeuvring at this time. Jeremy Corbyn told parliament that
:23:19. > :23:22.he was concerned about job insecurity, as well he might, as
:23:23. > :23:29.more of his colleagues declared that the party would go bust unless he
:23:30. > :23:33.quit. I think Jeremy, in the best interests of the party, needs to
:23:34. > :23:37.stand down. We don't serve our party, or the interests of some of
:23:38. > :23:43.the poorest in our country and communities by being a Labour Party
:23:44. > :23:49.that cannot win an election. You are finding this difficult? Yes, yes. I
:23:50. > :23:54.feel that I have served in the best way I can and today I had to go. It
:23:55. > :23:58.feels that the collision between the people who are seeking to get rid of
:23:59. > :24:03.Jeremy Corbyn and the people who are trying to stick in there, in Jeremy
:24:04. > :24:12.Corbyn's team, risks breaking the Labour Party.
:24:13. > :24:17.David Cameron headed to Brussels to talk to the EU's Chief Executive 's,
:24:18. > :24:22.the very first step in what will be an extremely tortuous divorce. He
:24:23. > :24:25.will be long gone before it is over. To keep things amicable with our
:24:26. > :24:30.jilted partners, some soothing diplomacy might be in order.
:24:31. > :24:35.Instead, Nigel Farage turned up at the European Parliament to have a
:24:36. > :24:40.self glorifying gloat. When I came here 17 years ago and I said that I
:24:41. > :24:47.wanted to lead a campaign to get Britain to leave the European Union,
:24:48. > :24:52.you all laughed at me. Well, I have to say, you are not laughing now,
:24:53. > :25:00.are you? You are fighting for the exit, the British people voted in
:25:01. > :25:07.favour of the exit. Not all of us cried Scotland. We voted to stay.
:25:08. > :25:11.Please, remember this, Scotland did not let you down. Please, I beg you,
:25:12. > :25:25.do not let Scotland's down now. Back in Blighty, Labour was now in
:25:26. > :25:28.complete meltdown. The Labour leader scrabbled together a new board,
:25:29. > :25:32.invited in the TV cameras so we could start to put faces to the
:25:33. > :25:41.previously unknown names, and then had second thoughts. I am not sure
:25:42. > :25:48.this is a great idea. Can we do something later on, OK? At his next
:25:49. > :25:54.appearance in the Commons, Mr Corbyn demonstrated that a sense of irony
:25:55. > :25:58.is not in his repertoire. The Prime Minister has two months left. Will
:25:59. > :26:05.he need a one nation legacy, and will that legacy be the scrapping of
:26:06. > :26:12.the bedroom tax, the banning of zero-hours contracts, and cancelling
:26:13. > :26:16.of the cuts to universal credit? He talks about job insecurity and my
:26:17. > :26:20.two months to go. It might be in my party's interests for him to sit
:26:21. > :26:26.there, but it is not in the national interest, and I would say, for
:26:27. > :26:30.heaven 's sake, man, go. Even an overwhelming vote of no confidence
:26:31. > :26:35.in him by his own MPs was not enough to persuade Mr Corbyn that the game
:26:36. > :26:39.is up. So now his fate, and perhaps the very existence of the Labour
:26:40. > :26:49.Party, will be decided in a most bloody leadership battle. Over in
:26:50. > :26:58.Tory world, the contenders for David Cameron's round started to put
:26:59. > :27:04.themselves on the market. Theresa May presented herself as a safe
:27:05. > :27:09.haven. I know I am not a showy politician. I do not tour TV
:27:10. > :27:13.studios, gossip about people over lunch, go drinking in Parliament's
:27:14. > :27:19.ours. I do not often wear my heart on my sleeve. I just get on with the
:27:20. > :27:22.job in front of me. Then Michael Gove shocked everyone, especially
:27:23. > :27:25.those who believed him when he previously said he would not make a
:27:26. > :27:31.good Prime Minister, by launching his bid to takeover the party.
:27:32. > :27:34.During the course of the last few days I have realised that while
:27:35. > :27:39.Boris does have those special abilities to communicate and reach
:27:40. > :27:42.out, what he did not have was the capacity to build and to lead to
:27:43. > :27:47.that team and provide the leadership the country needs at this critical
:27:48. > :27:51.moment. The markets had anticipated a merger between the leading
:27:52. > :27:54.Brexiteers, so the Michael Gove declaration triggered a frenzy of
:27:55. > :28:04.selling of Johnson's, and then this bombshell. He has done what? I must
:28:05. > :28:11.tell you, my friends, you have waited faithfully for the punch line
:28:12. > :28:18.of this speech, that having consulted colleagues, and in view of
:28:19. > :28:25.the circumstances in Parliament, I have concluded that person cannot be
:28:26. > :28:26.me. So, have we ever had a week like this? I certainly can't remember
:28:27. > :28:32.one. Go on, surprise me! Andrew Rawnsley trying to keep up -
:28:33. > :28:35.and down - with events. And we're joined in the studio
:28:36. > :28:38.by journalist and Jeremy Corbyn supporter Rachel Shabi,
:28:39. > :28:40.and by the woman many talent-spotters are calling
:28:41. > :28:41."the new Angus Robertson", possible future SNP leader and star
:28:42. > :28:57.of PMQs Tasmina Ahmed-Sheikh. If that doesn't ruin your career, I
:28:58. > :29:01.don't know what will. Alan Johnson, this was a provincial England
:29:02. > :29:11.peasant revolt and Labour was on the wrong side of it. The EU election?
:29:12. > :29:16.Listen, the EU result was a disaster all round. Cameron managed to get
:29:17. > :29:21.42% of Conservative supporters. He is the leader of the party. He
:29:22. > :29:26.called the referendum and only got 42% of his supporters. We always
:29:27. > :29:33.knew he needed Labour votes. He got them, just not enough. We got 64%,
:29:34. > :29:39.we needed 70. Your area voted strongly to leave. You are not a
:29:40. > :29:45.Corbynite. Yvette Cooper's area lost. Indeed, every Brownite,
:29:46. > :29:51.centrist Labour MP outside of London, their area voted to leave.
:29:52. > :29:55.Yes, but it was about Europe. If you look at the elections just over a
:29:56. > :30:00.year ago in most of those seats we had an increased majority, including
:30:01. > :30:04.mine. The issue of Europe and particularly immigration, because
:30:05. > :30:09.this became a referendum about immigration. From the time the net
:30:10. > :30:14.migration figures came out, 333,000, it turned from a debate about Europe
:30:15. > :30:17.and the economy. Immigration was always there, but one of the
:30:18. > :30:21.mistakes Boris Johnson made in his article we have just been talking
:30:22. > :30:27.about on Monday, he said it was nothing to do with immigration. I
:30:28. > :30:32.think it was. These were people the politicians had ignored, derided,
:30:33. > :30:38.dismissed, called bigoted if they even raised it. They were Labour
:30:39. > :30:42.voters in large numbers. And they ignored their party. This was
:30:43. > :30:48.probably their last chance to give the establishment of the Centre left
:30:49. > :30:52.and right bloody nose, and they did. That is your assessment. I do not
:30:53. > :30:55.accept that these people were ignored, that we never talked about
:30:56. > :31:03.immigration. Sometimes it seemed we talked about nothing else. We have
:31:04. > :31:07.been debating this issue. Here was the Prime Minister, fighting two
:31:08. > :31:11.elections on promising to get net migration down to the tens of
:31:12. > :31:15.thousands. Here was the same Prime Minister and ker-ching people to
:31:16. > :31:21.vote yes to Europe, having not just failed, but net migration was
:31:22. > :31:27.118,000. That is why they voted against him. Is this the right
:31:28. > :31:30.perspective to see it through? Yes, it is the lethal, nation of people
:31:31. > :31:38.being worried about immigration and despising the elite. -- the lethal
:31:39. > :31:41.combination. Gordon Brown was the best example during the referendum
:31:42. > :31:46.campaign when he was asked about immigration. First, he said was a
:31:47. > :31:52.BBC obsession, then he said it was an obsession of the Sun newspaper.
:31:53. > :31:58.The only issue was illegal in the, he said. He would not talk about it.
:31:59. > :32:02.When Jeremy Corbyn said you could not limit immigration if you were
:32:03. > :32:04.inside the European Union, the Labour Party set upon him for the
:32:05. > :32:10.cardinal sin of having told the truth. Was it not more than
:32:11. > :32:16.immigration? Was it not also a revolt of people who have not done
:32:17. > :32:19.well out of globalisation? In cities like London most people think
:32:20. > :32:23.overall they have done pretty well out of globalisation. If you go to
:32:24. > :32:27.the Midlands and further north in England, there are plenty who do not
:32:28. > :32:31.feel they have done well and inequality has widened and the world
:32:32. > :32:39.has passed them by. This was their revolt. Yes, I think it was a vote
:32:40. > :32:46.in the only way that became available to them. General elections
:32:47. > :32:51.certainly have not helped. To be clear, this is the neglect, the
:32:52. > :32:56.absolute neglect that has resulted in daily struggles, daily stress,
:32:57. > :33:04.daily wondering how you are going to get through the week, is a result of
:33:05. > :33:07.a system started by Thatcher, Thatcherism, perpetuated under new
:33:08. > :33:13.Labour and continued under the Conservatives, with these horrific
:33:14. > :33:22.austerity cuts. That is a different issue. The interesting thing... Are
:33:23. > :33:26.you really blaming this on posterity? Austerity exacerbated a
:33:27. > :33:28.pre-existing condition began by Thatcherism and continued through
:33:29. > :33:34.new Labour. The interesting thing about new Labour -- about
:33:35. > :33:37.immigration is that there is a difference between understanding
:33:38. > :33:41.that people are concerned about the strains caused by immigration and
:33:42. > :33:44.wanting to find solutions to that, which would involve the sort of
:33:45. > :33:49.things Jeremy Corbyn is talking about, which is making sure that
:33:50. > :33:55.employers do not undercut workers by bringing in cheaper migrant
:33:56. > :34:00.Labour... That is the legal part of it. We try to have this conversation
:34:01. > :34:05.about politics but you never allow it, do you? I just put points to
:34:06. > :34:10.you. I am saying that undercutting Labour, paying below the minimum
:34:11. > :34:15.wage, is a phenomenon of illegal immigration. It is not, it is a
:34:16. > :34:19.system by which companies are allowed to undercut local wages with
:34:20. > :34:23.migrant Labour. The other way to address it is to look at areas that
:34:24. > :34:29.have been affected by large numbers of migrants, and give them more
:34:30. > :34:32.funding. That is something the Conservative government cut. The
:34:33. > :34:37.other way to look at it is to re-skill the population, or you
:34:38. > :34:42.could embark on major infrastructure projects like housing. These are all
:34:43. > :34:47.things that have been put forward by Jeremy Corbyn.
:34:48. > :34:54.Scotland didn't have the revolt on this because you already have your
:34:55. > :34:57.antiestablishment revolves, replacing the Labour Establishment
:34:58. > :35:05.in Scotland, so the dynamic was different. The SNP and the
:35:06. > :35:08.pro-European campaign was hugely positive in Scotland, totally
:35:09. > :35:13.different to what we have seen down south. As we have heard from Michael
:35:14. > :35:16.and Alan, the idea of fighting this campaign on the basis of immigration
:35:17. > :35:23.was never going to be a good thing. We have heard of a fivefold increase
:35:24. > :35:26.in racist attacks. On LBC today, somebody was crying about the
:35:27. > :35:32.effects of these attacks on them. We are working with a different
:35:33. > :35:35.framework, a positive campaign, and what did we have? 62%, every
:35:36. > :35:41.authority in Scotland, voting to remain. But what happened after
:35:42. > :35:48.that? Even a week on, the rest of the UK is in absolute shock, feeling
:35:49. > :35:52.they are without a plan. In Scotland, we are in a completely
:35:53. > :35:55.different position. Within minutes, Nicola Sturgeon made a statement,
:35:56. > :36:01.the Cabinet met on Saturday. I don't think anybody can deny that Nicola
:36:02. > :36:03.has a plan. Will be Scottish Government staged a second
:36:04. > :36:09.independence referendum before the Brexit process is complete? The
:36:10. > :36:13.First Minister has made it clear that a number of options are on the
:36:14. > :36:19.table as none of them are of the table. It is important she made that
:36:20. > :36:24.point. Beyond that, she has the Scottish Parliament behind her,
:36:25. > :36:30.which is important. If you have got a plan, does that involve a second
:36:31. > :36:36.independence referendum before the UK has completed the Brexit process?
:36:37. > :36:42.That is an option, absolutely. She has been in Brussels having
:36:43. > :36:46.meetings, unprecedented meetings, I should say. I have been watching
:36:47. > :36:52.that carefully. I am trying to work out where we are going. She is out
:36:53. > :36:56.there to get the best possible deal for Scotland. That is posturing, I'm
:36:57. > :37:01.trying to work out where we are going. Will the plan, if there is
:37:02. > :37:06.one, and you say that there is, will that secure membership of the EU for
:37:07. > :37:11.Scotland before you recommend that Scotland leaves the UK? We have a
:37:12. > :37:17.number of options. You asked me about the plan. Of course, it is not
:37:18. > :37:20.within our gift to decide what might happen, because there are
:37:21. > :37:25.negotiations and discussions to take place with the UK Government within
:37:26. > :37:31.the framework of Brexit and our friends in the EU, with whom we have
:37:32. > :37:35.had important discussions. If you are going to go for a second
:37:36. > :37:41.referendum, will be Scottish Government first of all clinch EU
:37:42. > :37:45.membership for Scotland before you then put Scottish independence
:37:46. > :37:50.forward? We want to have a clear position in terms of our membership
:37:51. > :37:53.of the EU, so that is why it is important that the First Minister is
:37:54. > :38:00.involved in discussions. Whoever that is weird, the people do not
:38:01. > :38:04.know who that will be... -- with. Will you clinch EU membership, will
:38:05. > :38:09.you get an agreement with the EU that, if you come out of the UK,
:38:10. > :38:14.your EU membership as an independent nation is guaranteed before the
:38:15. > :38:20.referendum was to mark let me remind you back to 2014. Everything should
:38:21. > :38:23.be seen within context. The people of Scotland voted 62% to remain
:38:24. > :38:29.within the EU. That is their wish and it is the job of the First
:38:30. > :38:34.Minister to ensure that. To remain in the EU, we had to vote no in the
:38:35. > :38:38.Scottish independence referendum. Therefore it is correct that any
:38:39. > :38:44.vote on independence should be framed within the EU context. I am
:38:45. > :38:49.trying to get clear what the strategy is, but nobody seems to
:38:50. > :38:54.know. Nicola Sturgeon knows what her strategy is. But you haven't been
:38:55. > :39:02.able to tell me. Villa I have answered all of your questions. At a
:39:03. > :39:06.time when the opportunities for an opposition have never been greater
:39:07. > :39:12.or more needed, why is the Labour Party as dysfunctional as this? It's
:39:13. > :39:17.a really good question. Bad enough that the Labour Party has chosen
:39:18. > :39:23.this moment, when we desperately need a strong and robust opposition
:39:24. > :39:28.to tear themselves apart, bad enough that they are doing it in such a
:39:29. > :39:30.calculated way, so they are staggering their resignations so
:39:31. > :39:36.they dominate the media cycle instead of, for example, either the
:39:37. > :39:38.mess we are in all the Conservative Party. Bad enough that they are
:39:39. > :39:44.trying to blame Jeremy Corbyn or having failed to secure a Remain
:39:45. > :39:50.vote and he got as much of the vote of the SNP did. To top it all off,
:39:51. > :39:58.this is the worst coup I have ever seen. In what sense? There is no
:39:59. > :40:03.plan, the leader. Who is the plan, what is the platform, the politics?
:40:04. > :40:07.They know they don't have the support of the party membership,
:40:08. > :40:11.which still backs the democratically elected leader, or the unions. If
:40:12. > :40:16.you are going to orchestrate a coup, make it credible, especially if you
:40:17. > :40:20.are going to accuse the leader of incompetence. Is this a coup and has
:40:21. > :40:28.it been badly planned or staged was to mark it was not staged. You
:40:29. > :40:30.cannot survive as the leader of a political party without the support
:40:31. > :40:37.of the people you work with most closely. On Europe, I'm afraid,
:40:38. > :40:43.Jeremy didn't put his heart and soul into it, and there were people in
:40:44. > :40:48.his office who were absolutely Leavers, they were like Michael,
:40:49. > :40:54.they thought Europe was a capitalist conspiracy, so the Labour Party was
:40:55. > :40:58.fighting very hard, and I take my responsibility for not winning. He
:40:59. > :41:05.has taken no responsibility. Jeremy says, the campaign I was running was
:41:06. > :41:10.euphoric. He had to kind of ride in and say it should be remain and
:41:11. > :41:14.reform, so you list all of the things wrong with Europe. That
:41:15. > :41:18.wasn't what the party was doing. Leaving that aside, Jeremy is never
:41:19. > :41:24.going to command the support of the people he works with most closely.
:41:25. > :41:29.You saw Lisa Nandy and Owen Smith, two people who tried really hard.
:41:30. > :41:33.This isn't about people like me, terrible Blairites, the worst insult
:41:34. > :41:38.you could possibly used. It isn't racist any more, it is Blairites.
:41:39. > :41:42.Leave me aside. They have tried really hard, and many people tried
:41:43. > :41:47.really hard. It ain't working. It's not going to happen. And you can't
:41:48. > :41:52.instil confidence in a leader through intimidation. If there is a
:41:53. > :41:56.leadership challenge, and we are still waiting on one, and it goes to
:41:57. > :42:01.the country in terms of the membership of the Labour Party in
:42:02. > :42:08.the country, and Mr Corbyn wins, as a poll into Margaret's Times says it
:42:09. > :42:10.may not be quite as easy as his supporters think, but he is still
:42:11. > :42:19.ahead, does that not risked splitting the Labour Party? -- in
:42:20. > :42:24.tomorrow's Times. First, would he be a candidate on the ballot? That
:42:25. > :42:29.would need to be tested. Let's assume that he is, because natural
:42:30. > :42:35.justice would assume he would be. I think it should be tested in
:42:36. > :42:38.because. You are deluding yourselves. He is on the ballot.
:42:39. > :42:42.That is why you won't read a leadership candidate, because you
:42:43. > :42:50.know who ever you put up against him is going to lose. On the subject of
:42:51. > :42:55.delusion, how would you fight a general election when every
:42:56. > :42:57.interviewer, they would say, why should anyone think that Jeremy
:42:58. > :43:04.Corbyn should be Prime Minister when 80% of his MPs don't? You have
:43:05. > :43:08.completely misunderstood the appeal of Jeremy Corbyn and his politics.
:43:09. > :43:13.You have understood why that kind of politics resonate so strongly with
:43:14. > :43:17.the population and Labour voters. You would never ask that question if
:43:18. > :43:24.you had any inkling of why it is so powerful and popular. You have made
:43:25. > :43:27.me a happy man. We have to move the argument on from who is leading
:43:28. > :43:32.which party because, at the end of the day, we faced a vote, we have a
:43:33. > :43:37.result, people are concerned about what this means for jobs for their
:43:38. > :43:41.own lifestyle. All of this bickering doesn't help anyone. The House of
:43:42. > :43:46.Commons this week has been unbelievable, watching across the
:43:47. > :43:49.way the Tories bickering among each other and again, in the Labour
:43:50. > :43:53.Party, when all that people want is a plan. Everybody has gone, was in
:43:54. > :43:59.action, Boris was playing cricket, where were they all? You could get
:44:00. > :44:07.somebody off the street and they'd do a better job. The establishment
:44:08. > :44:11.had a bloody nose on June 23 so it isn't surprised that Her Majesty 's
:44:12. > :44:15.government and opposition are in various degrees of disarray. That is
:44:16. > :44:21.what happened. I am still trying to work out. My advice is, you get your
:44:22. > :44:26.plan and then come back in. You would have a plan before the vote.
:44:27. > :44:34.We would be much better off. Now, it's being said a lot that
:44:35. > :44:36.last week's referendum shows a nation divided -
:44:37. > :44:39.referenda usually do - and it's always the mantra
:44:40. > :44:44.of the losers, never the winners. According to the polls,
:44:45. > :44:47.a majority of those under 50 who voted, voted to remain,
:44:48. > :44:51.whilst a majority of the over-50s Young folks were said to be
:44:52. > :44:55.particularly upset. Some felt betrayed by
:44:56. > :44:56.the older generation. One youngster even tweeted, "I'm not
:44:57. > :44:59.giving up my seat on the train If only more of them had given up
:45:00. > :45:14.a few moments of their time, of course, and bothered to vote then
:45:15. > :45:17.they could have changed the result. And I think it's unfair to pick
:45:18. > :45:20.on Michael Portillo, who spends most of his life on trains and
:45:21. > :45:23.deserves to be seated at his age. That's why we've decided to take
:45:24. > :45:26.a step back, get a sense of perspective - and put the hand
:45:27. > :45:29.of history in this week's about my belief that Britain
:45:30. > :45:38.is stronger, safer and better off But the British people have made
:45:39. > :45:44.a very clear decision Call-me-Dave might prefer to point
:45:45. > :45:51.to his other achievements, but whether he likes it or not,
:45:52. > :45:54.history will judge a Prime Minister who wanted to stay in the EU
:45:55. > :45:57.and achieved the exact opposite. They say all political
:45:58. > :46:04.careers end in failure, but Churchill is remembered
:46:05. > :46:06.for leading us to victory. And his self-appointed successor,
:46:07. > :46:08.Boris Johnson, seemed to have achieved his own personal V
:46:09. > :46:16.day last week. But was the weight of history
:46:17. > :46:19.just too much for him? Some people thrive on the idea
:46:20. > :46:21.that their actions will be dissected I feel the hand of history
:46:22. > :46:27.upon our shoulder in respect But will Tony Blair's name be
:46:28. > :46:31.forever associated with peace in Northern Ireland,
:46:32. > :46:36.or with war in Iraq? The Chilcot report, out next week,
:46:37. > :46:40.will surely define his place Whether you were Leave or Remain,
:46:41. > :46:47.are you coming to terms with the thought that the country
:46:48. > :47:06.might just changed forever? We are joined by historian David
:47:07. > :47:12.Starkey. Is it clear that David Cameron will go down in history as
:47:13. > :47:17.the man who lost the European Union? Yes, it also probably Scotland. We
:47:18. > :47:22.are seeing the possibility of a series of dissolutions, and we are
:47:23. > :47:27.also seeing them being directly his responsibility. In other words, his
:47:28. > :47:35.style of management, his casualness, his refusal to think in terms of
:47:36. > :47:39.serious strategy, his essay crisis style, all of those things.
:47:40. > :47:43.Powerfully, and I'm sorry, there is a second figure in all of this,
:47:44. > :47:48.which is his principal councillor, if you like, the Chancellor, George
:47:49. > :47:53.Osborne. In some ways, Cameron franchised his brain to Osborne and
:47:54. > :47:59.Osborne was supposed to be the master tactician, this deep,
:48:00. > :48:04.profound thinker. He is shown to have the profundity of a sheet of
:48:05. > :48:10.waste paper. Whatever David Cameron feels he might have achieved, or his
:48:11. > :48:16.supporters... It is as nothing. After all, the only serious
:48:17. > :48:21.achievement of the government is gay marriage, and that seems to be to be
:48:22. > :48:26.an appropriately frivolous touch of confetti on the whole thing. Air is
:48:27. > :48:30.profound doubt over the alleged economic reconstruction and
:48:31. > :48:34.recovery. It has been achieved at a terrible price. We have talked about
:48:35. > :48:39.it on this programme before. The way that the cuts have been handled is
:48:40. > :48:44.disastrous, because you protected education and the health service and
:48:45. > :48:48.overseas aid, leaving areas which are now absolutely crucial, like the
:48:49. > :48:54.foreign service, like defence, like the department of trade and
:48:55. > :49:01.industry, absolutely trade -- start of talent and purpose. In the public
:49:02. > :49:08.mind, does it stay that way? Historians are fond of revisionism.
:49:09. > :49:12.I have made my career out of it. In the public mind, but that is
:49:13. > :49:15.revisionism that tends to stick among historians and people who
:49:16. > :49:21.follow these things, in the public mind, once you get stuck with
:49:22. > :49:28.something like this... Once you are branded. It is pretty hard to get
:49:29. > :49:33.rid of. Blair is the Iraq war, but much more than that, he is the sense
:49:34. > :49:37.of lying. One of the great problems is, in a fundamental way, we have
:49:38. > :49:43.not had a change of government since 1997. This is my great fear with
:49:44. > :49:48.Michael Gove, who you were singing the praises of. He was Blair. He
:49:49. > :49:54.thought that Blair was a brilliant tactician, a brilliant strategist,
:49:55. > :49:58.he passionately supported the Iraq war. There is a more fundamental
:49:59. > :50:02.issue, which I don't think we have dealt with and talking about why the
:50:03. > :50:08.referendum went the way it is. It was our version of the culture wars.
:50:09. > :50:11.When Rachel was sitting here attributing the whole event
:50:12. > :50:16.austerity, I think she failed to understand what was really going on.
:50:17. > :50:21.Once again, another big charge, and here, I think Michael and I will
:50:22. > :50:26.vigorously disagree, I think Tory modernisation was completely
:50:27. > :50:30.misconceived. I want to try and stick to what Mr Cameron's legacy
:50:31. > :50:38.will or won't be. I think David is right, in a way, that what brands
:50:39. > :50:44.you, sticks with you, and let's take another auditory Prime Minister,
:50:45. > :50:49.Lord north, in the public mind, remembered for losing Suez,
:50:50. > :50:55.Chamberlain for the piece of paper, and now Mr Cameron for losing the
:50:56. > :50:58.referendum. I think it is inevitable. I think David Cameron
:50:59. > :51:03.did well to lead a Coalition Government that stabilised the
:51:04. > :51:08.market after the economic crisis, which was difficult. His Coalition
:51:09. > :51:12.Government was moderately successful in home policy, disastrous at
:51:13. > :51:14.foreign policy. This Conservative government has been disastrous
:51:15. > :51:20.altogether, because it has only really been about the referendum,
:51:21. > :51:23.which was simply a party political trip, and you can't do that with the
:51:24. > :51:35.nation's future, particularly if you have a view that a Leave result
:51:36. > :51:38.would be a catastrophe. Mr Blair won three election victories, two of
:51:39. > :51:42.them by landslides. No Labour leader has done that in a row. But yet, and
:51:43. > :51:48.Chilcott next week will probably emphasise this, the thing he seems
:51:49. > :51:57.most to be associated with is Iraq. That is the legacy. That was 2003,
:51:58. > :52:04.and he won another election in 2005. Yes, David is right, Iraq will
:52:05. > :52:10.forever be attached to Tony Blair, in a way that the adventure in Libya
:52:11. > :52:19.will probably not be associated with David Cameron. That was a minor
:52:20. > :52:24.chapter. In comparison, it is a minute disaster. Going back to
:52:25. > :52:28.modernisation, the problem was that it turned the Tory party into a pale
:52:29. > :52:35.version of new Labour, so this sense of having no choice, this cultural
:52:36. > :52:38.alienation. I come from the north, it is well concealed but I do, my
:52:39. > :52:44.family comes from Oldham and Rochdale. I had wind of what is
:52:45. > :52:50.going on now two or three years ago. My cousin was leading Ukip. She
:52:51. > :52:53.swore what would happen. Let me try and drag you back to what we are
:52:54. > :53:00.meant to be talking about, which is legacy. Shame! We say that Tony
:53:01. > :53:04.Blair will go down in history, or he will be known in history
:53:05. > :53:10.fundamentally through the prism of Iraq. What about the possibility he
:53:11. > :53:14.may also go down in history as the last Labour leader to win an
:53:15. > :53:18.election? I think that is very much on the cards. Listening to the kind
:53:19. > :53:22.of defence which was offered for Corbyn this evening suggests a
:53:23. > :53:31.degree of being a juice, a total failure, doesn't it -- obtuse, a
:53:32. > :53:34.total failure to understand their plight. Labour exemplifies this
:53:35. > :53:39.tension between, as it were, the voter and the political elite, in
:53:40. > :53:44.other words, its own MPs, in an absolutely acute form. There are
:53:45. > :53:51.three tensions, one between Labour members, the other a Labour voter
:53:52. > :53:54.and another between the MPs, so the Labour Party is like a scene of
:53:55. > :54:00.medieval torture, being pulled apart in three directions. Historians love
:54:01. > :54:03.that kind of thing. Plenty to write about in the years to come.
:54:04. > :54:06.That's your lot for tonight, folks - but not for us, because it's ?350
:54:07. > :54:09.Million A Week Extra For The NHS Night at Lou Lou's,
:54:10. > :54:11.although Iain Duncan Smith can't guarantee we'll actually get in.
:54:12. > :54:16.But we leave you tonight with a man who definitely isn't going anywhere
:54:17. > :54:17.because he's having such a good time.
:54:18. > :54:20.And, let's face it, it does look like a lot of fun.
:54:21. > :54:25.Nighty night, don't let Jeremy Corbyn bite.
:54:26. > :54:28.Some of your MPs are blaming you for Brexit.
:54:29. > :54:31.Good morning, nice to see you. Thank you so much for coming today.
:54:32. > :54:35.# I'm having such a good time, I'm having a ball
:54:36. > :54:40.# If you want to have a good time just give me a call
:54:41. > :54:46.# Cos I'm having a good time Yes, I'm having a good time
:54:47. > :54:56.# I'm a rocket ship on my way to Mars on a collision course
:54:57. > :55:00.# I am a satellite I'm out of control...#
:55:01. > :55:14.Good evening. Goodbye. Thank you very much for coming.
:55:15. > :55:16.MUSIC: What A Wonderful World by Joey Ramone
:55:17. > :55:19.# I see trees of green... # Just look at that.