:00:13. > :00:20.Power up. To Mike, as the all woman Ghostbusters film hits the big
:00:21. > :00:29.screen, no one should have two encounter our kind of supernatural
:00:30. > :00:37.politics. I think you can handle it. Haven't you heard, the ladies of the
:00:38. > :00:43.top dogs. Hang on, he's not a woman. No, but I am a feminist. Anyhow,
:00:44. > :00:47.what about Corbyn? They keep trying to kill him off and he seems
:00:48. > :00:53.immortal. Michael Rosen is pleased he is clinging to power. Labour
:00:54. > :00:59.right-wingers can fire anything they like a Jeremy Corbyn but he's not
:01:00. > :01:07.going anywhere and nor should he. We don't want mass hysteria. The Labour
:01:08. > :01:16.Party is so match oh. If only we had a female Prime Minister. Oh, yes, I
:01:17. > :01:20.remember the good old days. Keep up, Theresa is in charge. She's going to
:01:21. > :01:25.round up the right wing ghosts and put them somewhere safe, like the
:01:26. > :01:35.Cabinet! Women really are taking over the world. Do you feel
:01:36. > :01:43.emasculated? No, I feel liberated. Let's go. Cerys Matthews was
:01:44. > :01:51.therefore girl power and she thinks gender busting has been a long time
:01:52. > :01:56.coming. I ain't afraid of no ghost. I'm absolutely petrified of
:01:57. > :02:06.appearing on this programme. Who are you going to call? This Week. Hey,
:02:07. > :02:10.girls, what do you think of my kitten heels? Nice!
:02:11. > :02:15.And our new Prime Minister has asked me to make it immediately
:02:16. > :02:18.clear that when she wrote "F Off" next to Boris Johnson's name,
:02:19. > :02:21.she did not mean he should be put in charge of the Foreign Office,
:02:22. > :02:27.And when she put "P Off" next to David Davis' name she did not
:02:28. > :02:32.mean he should be put in charge of our negotiations to leave the EU.
:02:33. > :02:35.Mrs May has also asked me to point out, by way of mitigation,
:02:36. > :02:40.that she's new to the job and has not quite yet got the hang of it.
:02:41. > :02:42.But she promises to do better come the next reshuffle which,
:02:43. > :02:45.given some of the people she's appointed this time round,
:02:46. > :02:48.is likely to be sooner rather than later.
:02:49. > :02:51.However, she has clocked that the 80% of economists who confidently
:02:52. > :02:56.predicted last night that the Bank of England would cut interest rates
:02:57. > :03:01.this morning, which of course it didn't,
:03:02. > :03:03.are the same 80% of economists who confidently predicted that
:03:04. > :03:07.Brexit would be economic harikari for Britain.
:03:08. > :03:10.So she's decided to appoint Larry the Downing Street Cat
:03:11. > :03:19.Speaking of the feline frisky, I'm joined on the sofa tonight
:03:20. > :03:22.by two political risk-takers who would like to kiss
:03:23. > :03:26.Think of them as the Steve and the Crabb of late
:03:27. > :03:29.I speak, of course, of #manontheleft, Alan
:03:30. > :03:38.'AJ' Johnson, and #sadmanonatrain, Michael 'choo choo' Portillo.
:03:39. > :03:46.Michael, your moment of the week? Well, Peter Lilley, when David
:03:47. > :03:50.Cameron last appeared in the House of Commons as Prime Minister, said
:03:51. > :03:53.that he had given the finest performances at the dispatch box
:03:54. > :03:57.that he had ever seen a Prime Minister give. And this was a very
:03:58. > :04:02.significant comment because that embraced Gordon Brown, Tony Blair
:04:03. > :04:08.and Margaret Thatcher. Peter Lilley was an immense admirer of Margaret
:04:09. > :04:11.Thatcher. It did pull me up a bit to remember how easily David Cameron
:04:12. > :04:15.sat in the role of Prime Minister. He made an immense contribution to
:04:16. > :04:19.reform and modernisation of the Conservative Party. It heightens the
:04:20. > :04:23.sense of tragedy that because of the fatal misjudgement of calling a
:04:24. > :04:28.referendum, his premiership was cut short. 14 years ago, as a junior
:04:29. > :04:31.minister, housing by two to do the weekend interview with a journalist
:04:32. > :04:36.called Rachel Silverstone. It was for the Daily Telegraph, and the
:04:37. > :04:39.press office at the Department for Education advised me not to do it.
:04:40. > :04:44.They said Rachel Sylvester always does a good profile but always gets
:04:45. > :04:49.a front-page story out of it. I did it, and she did. It was not a huge
:04:50. > :04:53.front-page story. She is a good journalist and I have done several
:04:54. > :04:57.since. She probably changed the course of history. I think it Andrea
:04:58. > :05:00.Leadsom had gone out there, given the things that have happened with
:05:01. > :05:04.outsiders getting elected, she could well have won the ballot. It was
:05:05. > :05:10.that single interview with Rachel Sylvester which ended her leadership
:05:11. > :05:13.bid, and I think I certainly would not complain about Rachel, a good
:05:14. > :05:18.journalist, but she changed the course of history last weekend. It
:05:19. > :05:24.was a significant interview. As we were preparing to come on-air,
:05:25. > :05:29.news started to reach us of a major terrorist attack in Nice in the
:05:30. > :05:31.South of France. Nice is one of the major regional centres in France
:05:32. > :05:39.with a massive promenade that goes on for miles along the seafront, and
:05:40. > :05:44.it seems that a truck piled into the people who were on the promenade.
:05:45. > :05:50.Today is Bastille Day in France, and it means places like the promenade,
:05:51. > :05:56.on the front of Nice, are packed with people and families and
:05:57. > :05:59.children and so on. So it seems this was clearly planned, they knew what
:06:00. > :06:04.they were doing. The report says that the truck piled in and then
:06:05. > :06:09.stopped. This bit is unconfirmed, that the driver got out and started
:06:10. > :06:12.shooting at people around. There have been some terrible pictures
:06:13. > :06:18.coming in, more than we are able to show you at the moment. You can see
:06:19. > :06:27.the hotel in the distance, right at the heart of Nice on the promenade.
:06:28. > :06:32.Earlier, 20 minutes ago, reports suggested the death toll could be as
:06:33. > :06:40.high as 30. But in the past couple of minutes, French media, the French
:06:41. > :06:44.prefect in that part of France, a significant figure in the French
:06:45. > :06:49.administration, is now talking that perhaps as many as 60 have been
:06:50. > :06:54.killed, which makes it a major terrorist incident indeed. And we
:06:55. > :06:58.will try to keep across this. We have managed to track down Isabel
:06:59. > :07:03.Hardman of the Spectator and also contributor to this programme. She
:07:04. > :07:08.is in Nice. I'm delighted to say that she is safe. She has been
:07:09. > :07:13.monitoring the French media for us. What have you been learning from the
:07:14. > :07:23.French media? Well, the French media have reported that at least 73
:07:24. > :07:27.people are dead as a result of this attack which took place on the
:07:28. > :07:32.promenade, which is actually where I was five minutes before it happened,
:07:33. > :07:37.watching the fireworks for Bastille Day. It was packed because it is a
:07:38. > :07:40.national holiday in France. There were lots of families watching
:07:41. > :07:46.fireworks, having dinner, drinking, having a lovely time. Suddenly there
:07:47. > :07:54.were screams and people started running. I kept spotting people --
:07:55. > :08:03.stopping people and they said they did not know what was happening. I
:08:04. > :08:06.bumped into a family with a young child who took shelter, because
:08:07. > :08:09.police told us to stay indoors while they worked out what happened. We
:08:10. > :08:13.are now just watching the news, trying to work out what on earth has
:08:14. > :08:20.happened. We will leave it there. Thank you for joining us. Stay safe.
:08:21. > :08:24.We understand President Hollande, who was close to Lees today, on the
:08:25. > :08:28.way back to Paris when the news broke, has now moved to the
:08:29. > :08:32.situation room in the Interior Ministry, to monitor what is going
:08:33. > :08:37.on. We can see helicopters coming in on the promenade. It is such a flat
:08:38. > :08:41.place that it would be easy for the truck to mount the pavement. That is
:08:42. > :08:49.where the helicopters are landing, opposite the famous hotel. It could,
:08:50. > :08:54.therefore, do all the more damage. Isabel Hardman was saying that the
:08:55. > :09:04.death toll has now reached 73, with many more people injured. Clearly,
:09:05. > :09:07.another major French terrorist incident, following on Charlie Hebdo
:09:08. > :09:14.and the attacks in Paris in November. We will bring you more
:09:15. > :09:20.news on this developing situation as it takes place. A sad night for
:09:21. > :09:23.France and for all of us. No one has yet claimed responsibility but of
:09:24. > :09:27.course, attention always turns to Islamic State and Al-Qaeda.
:09:28. > :09:29.Now, bricks thrown through office windows, accusations of plots,
:09:30. > :09:31.coups and treacherous behaviour, hard-nosed members reduced to tears,
:09:32. > :09:38.It's the This Week summer recess party.
:09:39. > :09:41.Or Labour is having a leadership contest.
:09:42. > :09:44.Jezza told Call-Me-Dave this week that the party's latest spasm
:09:45. > :09:48.of democracy was "an exciting and splendid thing, and I'm enjoying
:09:49. > :09:53.That's certainly one way of looking at it.
:09:54. > :09:56.But Jezza has no intention of going anywhere, despite the almost total
:09:57. > :09:59.breakdown in relations between himself and the vast
:10:00. > :10:04.So should he go before the party destroys itself?
:10:05. > :10:06.Poet and author Michael Rosen doesn't think so.
:10:07. > :10:21.Climbing to the top of any political party is a slippery affair.
:10:22. > :10:24.And the ineffective plotting of the Blairite warlords of Labour
:10:25. > :10:36.Corbyn's opponents have tried to put every obstacle they can in his way.
:10:37. > :10:42.They said he wouldn't win the leadership, but he did.
:10:43. > :10:44.They said he wouldn't win the Oldham by-election,
:10:45. > :10:48.They said he wouldn't get through the NEC to get
:10:49. > :10:53.Corbyn, with his honest and principled politics,
:10:54. > :11:00.isn't just clinging to power, he is secure at the top.
:11:01. > :11:14.# To keep me from getting to you... #
:11:15. > :11:18.To keep those legitimate members who paid ?3 to support Corbyn
:11:19. > :11:22.from voting in this leadership race, well, it was a move that was decided
:11:23. > :11:35.500,000 people supported Jeremy's ascent and they are
:11:36. > :11:43.172 MPs who voted no confidence in him should remember that.
:11:44. > :11:46.Now, I'm not a Labour member, but a party uniting around a man
:11:47. > :11:49.who's fighting the upcoming cuts and sell-offs and the renewal
:11:50. > :11:58.The whole shambling coup is a mistake.
:11:59. > :12:01.Jeremy is the one fighting in defence of the needy and,
:12:02. > :12:04.as for that speech by PM May, she's not going to do it.
:12:05. > :12:10.Labour should be marking out a route to government, not blocking
:12:11. > :12:15.Jeremy Corbyn's way, should unite around the leader.
:12:16. > :12:23.That's the way to get votes from the Tories and Ukip.
:12:24. > :12:27.In-built into its history is a coming together and separating.
:12:28. > :12:33.If Corbyn stays, the right may head off into the sunset,
:12:34. > :12:38.but they lost my vote and many others over the Iraq war.
:12:39. > :12:42.Keep him at the top of the Labour Party
:12:43. > :12:51.And from scaling the heights of The Arch Climbing Wall
:12:52. > :12:54.in Bermondsey, to coming back down to earth with a bump on This Week,
:12:55. > :13:08.Welcome to the programme. Good evening. What makes you think Mr
:13:09. > :13:12.Corbyn could win a general election? He would need a 12% swing in England
:13:13. > :13:17.from the last election, which would require millions of Tories to vote
:13:18. > :13:23.for him. How is that going to happen? There are also millions who
:13:24. > :13:28.don't vote, aren't there? 25%, sometimes more like 30% who don't
:13:29. > :13:31.vote. We can't say necessarily who at the head of the Labour Party
:13:32. > :13:37.would necessarily win those millions. We know that during the
:13:38. > :13:42.Blair years, the Labour Party lost nearly 6 million votes from 1997 to
:13:43. > :13:48.the 2010 election. So to point the finger at Corbyn and say he
:13:49. > :13:52.couldn't, well, who else could? I think it's a mountain to climb for
:13:53. > :13:54.whoever is leader, but I would suggest it is a particularly high
:13:55. > :14:04.mountain when the leader of the Labour Party, his personal ratings
:14:05. > :14:08.are a stonking -41%. The SNP has shut you out of Scotland, Ukip
:14:09. > :14:12.threatens you in the north of England, Wales is nothing like as
:14:13. > :14:17.secure as it was, Mrs May is parking her tanks on the centre ground. I
:14:18. > :14:23.just don't see where the 12% swing could come from. Be careful of
:14:24. > :14:29.saying "Me". I sometimes vote Labour, sometimes not. We know that
:14:30. > :14:35.Jeremy is fighting on certain different fronts at the moment. The
:14:36. > :14:39.point is, he is campaigning, he is a campaigning leader, not one who sits
:14:40. > :14:43.in Westminster. There was a poll today that put a different picture.
:14:44. > :14:48.If you just go on popularity of leaders, it does not really sure
:14:49. > :14:52.what is going on. But if you want to win, you need a reasonably popular,
:14:53. > :14:58.respected leader. You talk about campaigning, which is interesting.
:14:59. > :15:03.Is it more important to you that he can win elections, or more important
:15:04. > :15:09.that he stays as he -- as a true socialist? Well, it is step-by-step.
:15:10. > :15:13.At the moment, he has to secure the leadership, which is proving the
:15:14. > :15:20.most difficult job. I am keen that he will fight austerity. We have a
:15:21. > :15:24.huge upcoming caps and sell-offs that will happen, and the issue of
:15:25. > :15:31.Trident. For me, it is important that those particular points are put
:15:32. > :15:37.over well. But he does have to fight, you often sneer at it, but he
:15:38. > :15:41.has to fight a media that is almost universally hostile, so he has to go
:15:42. > :15:42.out in order to find people to support him because he is not going
:15:43. > :15:53.to get it through the mass media. The thing that Michael said is that
:15:54. > :15:59.we ought to be plotting a route to government. Instead of plotting
:16:00. > :16:06.against him. Michael isn't a Labour member, but the whole point is that
:16:07. > :16:16.Jeremy Kyle is get 20% of 230 MPs. -- Jeremy Kyle get. -- Jeremy can't
:16:17. > :16:24.get. These are people who have dedicated their lives to working on
:16:25. > :16:29.social services and tackling politics. We have no confidence in
:16:30. > :16:33.Jeremy as a leader and, if you cannot get the confidence of the
:16:34. > :16:37.Parliamentary party, I don't know how many votes Mrs Thatcher had when
:16:38. > :16:46.she resigned because she didn't get enough votes... She still won it.
:16:47. > :16:50.You need that confidence. It is different time phases. The
:16:51. > :16:54.constituency that selected and elected Jeremy is different from the
:16:55. > :16:59.time phases that produced the MPs. Either way, that is the case. It is
:17:00. > :17:06.out of kilter, isn't it? You got two different... We are notorious for
:17:07. > :17:12.just walking into elections with unpopular leaders. The Tories are
:17:13. > :17:16.set to be pretty ruthless about their leaders. I'm afraid this is
:17:17. > :17:23.our Iain Duncan Smith moment. If we don't tackle this now, if we let
:17:24. > :17:27.this drift on, and there isn't a concerted plot, it seems to be
:17:28. > :17:33.internal combustion after Europe. It was a big test for Jeremy on Europe.
:17:34. > :17:39.He failed it, leadership... Be no more failed and Cameron did. As a
:17:40. > :17:43.test of leadership of the party, it was more important than a general
:17:44. > :17:48.election for many people in the party, and that may be what set it
:17:49. > :17:52.off. The fact is, if the membership elected him again knowing that the
:17:53. > :17:58.Parliamentary Labour Party have no confidence in him, that it can't
:17:59. > :18:03.even scramble together 46 out of 230 MPs to nominate him, I'm afraid the
:18:04. > :18:07.membership are going to continue this problem. You said something
:18:08. > :18:13.interesting, which is that the party is out of kilter. The Parliamentary
:18:14. > :18:18.party doesn't like the grassroots and the grassroots don't like the
:18:19. > :18:22.Parliamentary party. You can say that objectively whether you support
:18:23. > :18:27.one or the other. Doesn't that mean at some stage, whether Mr Corbyn
:18:28. > :18:30.wins or not, if he wins, surely there is a danger the Parliamentary
:18:31. > :18:34.party will go off and form another party and, if he loses, the
:18:35. > :18:41.grassroots will go off and form another party. Either way, there is
:18:42. > :18:45.a schism. You could say it is a crisis in social democracy and a
:18:46. > :18:50.crisis in how you define a party. Jeremy Corbyn isn't a social
:18:51. > :18:56.democrat. I would say he's a Parliamentary socialist. He spent
:18:57. > :18:59.all of his life being an MP... He has also been attacking democracies
:19:00. > :19:04.like Germany and Sweden. He wanted a much more hard left approach to
:19:05. > :19:08.things. Isn't it true that a lot of people who have joined the Labour
:19:09. > :19:13.Party last year were not really Labour at all? You look at the
:19:14. > :19:18.banners at the demonstration is, it is the Socialist Workers Party,
:19:19. > :19:23.communist party... The Socialist Workers Party as far as I know have
:19:24. > :19:27.not joined the Labour Party. And lots of individuals... I don't know
:19:28. > :19:35.anything. There are a lot of young people. The idea there are 300,000
:19:36. > :19:41.Trotskyists. As far as I know, there are about 520. A lot of people but a
:19:42. > :19:47.lot of store in Jeremy. He represents something to them. Maybe
:19:48. > :19:52.it is this purity, he hasn't had to make decisions. He is a protester,
:19:53. > :19:57.not a persuader. If you have a status quo that isn't
:19:58. > :20:01.satisfactory... If he was going to knock seven bells out of the Tories,
:20:02. > :20:05.if he was going to make these speeches at the dispatch box... He
:20:06. > :20:10.has none of these capabilities as a leader, that's the sad truth. People
:20:11. > :20:17.were saying David Cameron was a leader but at the end of the day he
:20:18. > :20:24.failed. Let me bring Michael in. We need an election. It was true that
:20:25. > :20:28.after 1997, when the Tories were in a mess, what really mattered in
:20:29. > :20:32.British politics was what happened in the ruling party, new Labour. Are
:20:33. > :20:36.we back in that situation where what really matters at the moment is what
:20:37. > :20:41.happens in the ruling party, which is the Tories? It does for the time
:20:42. > :20:46.being but we don't know what lies ahead. Who leads the Labour Party
:20:47. > :20:49.and what their policies are matters very much. It is a Parliamentary
:20:50. > :20:53.democracy and the government and opposition are both made within
:20:54. > :20:56.Parliament, and both parties have arrived at a situation where they
:20:57. > :21:02.are capable of electing leaders who don't command the confidence of
:21:03. > :21:05.Labour's -- members of Parliament, because Andrea Leadsom would not
:21:06. > :21:12.have had much more confident among the Tories and Morgan does among
:21:13. > :21:21.Labour. The elections are not fit for purpose. -- Corbyn does among
:21:22. > :21:26.Labour. With Boris, it is somebody who has said thing about
:21:27. > :21:31.foreigners... It's more important that Labour goes into the 2020
:21:32. > :21:37.election with Mr Corbyn intact and it is that it wins the 2020
:21:38. > :21:44.election? Should he stay even if it is claggy is going to lose? That
:21:45. > :21:49.isn't either or for me. -- even if it is clear he is going to lose.
:21:50. > :21:54.Yes, I would want Labour to win with Jeremy Corbyn's politics. They are
:21:55. > :22:00.indivisible in my mind, but clearly not in Alan's. We shall see. It will
:22:01. > :22:08.be a long, hot summer for the Labour Party. May be for the Tories, too.
:22:09. > :22:11.Now lots of things scare me - spiders, clowns, some of the strange
:22:12. > :22:13.sartorial choices you see on this programme.
:22:14. > :22:15.But one thing that doesn't scare me is having
:22:16. > :22:22.And with the all-women Ghostbusters film out this week,
:22:23. > :22:25.we asked our very own Miranda Green to investigate some spooky goings-on
:22:26. > :22:44.down at Waterloo Station, for her round-up of the week.
:22:45. > :22:45.There's been something strange in the political neighbourhood
:22:46. > :22:54.Quite frankly, it's been hard to know.
:22:55. > :23:08.After 30 years, the Ghostbusters are back, and this time the ladies
:23:09. > :23:15.It's nearly that long since we had our last
:23:16. > :23:17.female Prime Minister, but we've got the latest a bit
:23:18. > :23:23.I have, however, concluded that the interests of our country
:23:24. > :23:26.are best served by the immediate appointment of a strong and well
:23:27. > :23:35.I'm therefore withdrawing from the leadership election.
:23:36. > :23:37.When Andrea Leadsom pulled out of the leadership race,
:23:38. > :23:38.her staunch Brexiteer supporters were dismayed
:23:39. > :23:44.More of a self sliming, perhaps, after she suggested that
:23:45. > :23:50.being a mother gave her the edge over her rival, Theresa May.
:23:51. > :23:52.Brexit means Brexit, and we are going to make
:23:53. > :24:01.David Cameron had to get the removal van in a bit early but he didn't
:24:02. > :24:27.There's a lot of pelting around in this business.
:24:28. > :24:29.When the press pack got the call about the Leadsom bombshell,
:24:30. > :24:32.they were supposed to be paying attention to the Labour Party,
:24:33. > :24:38.who really want to get in on this all-women act.
:24:39. > :24:53.We are at a crossroads and I am ready to lead.
:24:54. > :24:59.Unfortunately, trainee ghostbuster Angela
:25:00. > :25:02.and the Labour moderates are not having much luck in eliminating
:25:03. > :25:06.A leadership challenge is looking dangerous and may
:25:07. > :25:14.They tried to keep Corbyn off the ballot, but the darling
:25:15. > :25:18.of Momentum isn't quite ready to go into the light.
:25:19. > :25:21.I'm delighted to say the Labour Party National Executive
:25:22. > :25:24.has decided that an incumbent is automatically on the ballot
:25:25. > :25:39.Still haunted by the experience of the SDP.
:25:40. > :25:42.If the left and the moderates do go their separate ways,
:25:43. > :25:45.It's in danger of splitting the Labour Party.
:25:46. > :25:50.I won't let it happen on my watch, and that is why I'm standing
:25:51. > :25:53.for the Labour leadership in order to unite our party and give people
:25:54. > :26:05.hope that there is a credible Labour alternative ready to fight for them.
:26:06. > :26:08.Honestly, there have been horrors everywhere this week.
:26:09. > :26:10.In normal times, civil war inside the opposition would dominate
:26:11. > :26:13.Westminster, but the high drama of David Cameron handing power
:26:14. > :26:19.to give Mrs May left Labour's demons on the cutting room floor.
:26:20. > :26:31.I'd also like him to pass on my thanks to his mum
:26:32. > :26:35.for her advice about ties and suits and songs.
:26:36. > :26:39.It's extremely kind of her and I'd be grateful if he'd pass that
:26:40. > :26:49.I will certainly sent his good wishes back to my mother.
:26:50. > :26:51.He seems to have taken her advice and is looking
:26:52. > :27:00.When the main actor bows out, it's traditional they get a warm
:27:01. > :27:04.Nothing is really impossible if you put your mind to it.
:27:05. > :27:14.After all, as I once said, I was the future once.
:27:15. > :27:21.The PM rose to a standing ovation from the Tories and former
:27:22. > :27:23.Lib Dem coalition partners, who he'd slimed good and proper,
:27:24. > :27:33.David Cameron went to the Palace to resign and the new leader
:27:34. > :27:37.of the girl gang, Mrs May, went to see the Queen,
:27:38. > :27:39.then entered Downing Street and tried to banish
:27:40. > :27:55.Because not everybody knows this, but the full title of my party
:27:56. > :27:59.is the Conservative and Unionist Party, and that word
:28:00. > :28:08.It means we believe in the union, the precious, precious bond
:28:09. > :28:12.between England, Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland.
:28:13. > :28:16.But it means something else that is just as important.
:28:17. > :28:20.It means we believe in a union not just between the nations
:28:21. > :28:24.of the United Kingdom but between all of our citizens,
:28:25. > :28:35.every one of us, whoever we are and wherever we are from.
:28:36. > :28:41.George Osborne was well and truly busted, exorcised from number 11.
:28:42. > :28:57.Then began the paranormal return of some of the Brexiteers.
:28:58. > :29:01.Liam Fox as Trade Minister, David Davis as Brexit negotiator, and the
:29:02. > :29:04.return of the marshmallow man himself,
:29:05. > :29:06.Boris Johnson at the Foreign Office. It's been a very busy first day
:29:07. > :29:11.for me here at the Foreign Office and it began really with a big
:29:12. > :29:14.speech to about 700 of our staff. I set out all I think we need to be
:29:15. > :29:19.doing, what I think we need to focus on, and that is reshaping Britain's
:29:20. > :29:21.profile and identity Today, we got some more female
:29:22. > :29:24.appointments So what is going to
:29:25. > :29:34.be in this sequel? Brexit means Brexit,
:29:35. > :29:36.they say, but the outlines One thing is for certain,
:29:37. > :29:41.the new female cast There's a woman in Downing Street
:29:42. > :29:48.preparing to have talks with Angela Merkel and maybe even
:29:49. > :29:50.Hillary Clinton. Larry the cat is just about the only
:29:51. > :29:54.male who's been allowed to stay. Speaking of cats, where
:29:55. > :30:03.are my kitten heels? And Miranda takes some time
:30:04. > :30:15.off from busting ghosts before we proceed, let me bring you
:30:16. > :30:22.up-to-date with this unfolding terrorist tragedy in Nice, southern
:30:23. > :30:26.France. We are now getting a scale of the incredible, an idea of the
:30:27. > :30:31.scale of what was going on. It now looks as if the truck drove for two
:30:32. > :30:37.kilometres. I said earlier that the Promenade des Anglais is miles and
:30:38. > :30:41.miles long, going all the way along the front at Nice. It looks like it
:30:42. > :30:46.drove the two kilometres, on a promenade packed with people who
:30:47. > :30:51.were out celebrating Bastille Day, the symbolic beginning of the French
:30:52. > :30:54.revolution and the beginning of the French republic. That gives an idea
:30:55. > :31:00.of why the death toll, which we now think is over 70 is so great. They
:31:01. > :31:04.could find no way to stop this. People were clinging on to the doors
:31:05. > :31:07.of the drug, trying to get the driver to stop, but it took a long
:31:08. > :31:14.while before police could assemble in shoot out the windscreen. Le
:31:15. > :31:18.Figaro is saying that several weapons, guns and grenades have been
:31:19. > :31:21.found inside the lorry. The interior minister has said that the driver
:31:22. > :31:26.who drove the truck has been neutralised, I am pretty sure that
:31:27. > :31:28.means he has been killed. There are conflicting reports as to whether
:31:29. > :31:34.the driver got out and started shooting. Some say yes, other
:31:35. > :31:38.eyewitnesses say no. No hostages have been taken, contrary to some
:31:39. > :31:43.earlier reports, but the death toll is rising by the minute. The scale
:31:44. > :31:53.of this terrorist incident is being unveiled as time goes on.
:31:54. > :32:02.Michael, these are uncertain and difficult times on a host of fronts.
:32:03. > :32:07.It is Theresa May up to it? I last knew her properly 15 years ago and
:32:08. > :32:11.she has come on by leaps and bounds since then. What she did as Home
:32:12. > :32:16.Secretary took me immensely by surprise. She was tough, she was
:32:17. > :32:21.there for six years. But what has most impressed me is the last 36
:32:22. > :32:27.hours in which she has acted with great decision, great ruthlessness
:32:28. > :32:31.and achieved a pretty good balance. Her speech was pretty well-balanced.
:32:32. > :32:35.She dealt with the question of whether we would exit the European
:32:36. > :32:41.Union deftly, with two or three words which were, as we leave the
:32:42. > :32:46.European Union, and then appointed two ministers to make sure we would
:32:47. > :32:50.leave. She very bravely put George Osborne and Michael Gove on the
:32:51. > :32:54.backbenches. This is really a night of the Long knives which has no
:32:55. > :33:00.precedent since the days of Macmillan. She has acted very
:33:01. > :33:04.boldly. She has been applauded, you just did it, for last in six years
:33:05. > :33:11.at the Home Office. What did she actually achieved? She stood up to
:33:12. > :33:15.the vested interests of the police in particular. She made a speech to
:33:16. > :33:22.the Police Federation. What did she then do? She reduced police numbers
:33:23. > :33:26.and maintain police effectiveness, I would say. The Treasury told her to
:33:27. > :33:34.do that. She did not actually reform the police. She had a total failure
:33:35. > :33:38.over immigration. I don't know in any way, I asked Chris Grayling, her
:33:39. > :33:43.campaign manager, in what way were the borders more secure than six
:33:44. > :33:49.years ago and he could not tell me. So I am not quite sure what she
:33:50. > :33:54.achieved. I suppose most people are applauding her for... Just
:33:55. > :34:00.surviving. Yes, but that is quite a big thing in that department. Why
:34:01. > :34:06.did she sound like Ed Miliband in Downing Street? She felt was the
:34:07. > :34:12.moment do precisely that. She feels it strongly herself, that she should
:34:13. > :34:14.be a one nation Tory. Secondly, she sees an extraordinary political
:34:15. > :34:20.opportunity because Jeremy Corbyn is abandoning the centre ground. She
:34:21. > :34:23.talked about fairness between North and South, black-and-white, men and
:34:24. > :34:30.women, privileged and underprivileged. It is no more than
:34:31. > :34:33.boilerplate rhetoric, is it? It is almost pablum. Does she have any
:34:34. > :34:41.idea of the policies required to achieve any of that? Well, we will
:34:42. > :34:47.see. This idea of one nation, you are right to have brought up Ed
:34:48. > :34:52.Miliband. There were chunks that could have been lifted from an Ed
:34:53. > :34:55.Miliband speech. As we know, a Conservative Prime Minister can do
:34:56. > :34:59.things that would look bad, Labour Prime Minister and vice versa.
:35:00. > :35:02.Perhaps she can push through social reforms to do something about the
:35:03. > :35:05.fact that there are so many people who feel they do not share in the
:35:06. > :35:10.prosperity that made them vote to leave the European Union. I
:35:11. > :35:14.understand the aim, but almost everybody has a version of these
:35:15. > :35:19.aims. I am trying to work out if she has the policies. We don't know yet.
:35:20. > :35:23.But there is a problem for the Labour Party because the Tories now
:35:24. > :35:29.seem not just to want to occupy the centre right, not just the centre,
:35:30. > :35:35.but it's of the centre-left as well. It is almost pushing the Labour
:35:36. > :35:39.Party further to the left. David Cameron started like that, hugging
:35:40. > :35:43.foodies, the greenest government ever, and that changed. He has one
:35:44. > :35:50.thing to show for it, gay marriage, and not much else. 2.4 million more
:35:51. > :35:58.jobs. Let's give credit there. Unemployment is not as high... Let's
:35:59. > :36:03.give credit there. But in terms of what he has done to tackle
:36:04. > :36:07.inequality, I don't see very much. If Theresa May or Damian Green came
:36:08. > :36:14.out next week and said, we will abandon the bedroom tax, which is
:36:15. > :36:16.symbolic, because we all deal, as constituency MPs, including Tory
:36:17. > :36:22.constituencies, with the effect of that nasty, vicious piece of
:36:23. > :36:29.legislation, that would be a start. Is she really going to put workers
:36:30. > :36:33.on the board, I doubt it. That cannot possibly have been thought
:36:34. > :36:37.through. I was relieved that the leadership campaign did not go on
:36:38. > :36:41.longer and we did not get more promises of that kind. I don't know
:36:42. > :36:49.what cheek can convert into policy, but I think she is achieving a tonal
:36:50. > :36:53.change. -- what she can convert into policy. We have this referendum
:36:54. > :36:57.because David Cameron was too clever by half. He took an enormous risk
:36:58. > :37:02.which came home to roost, destroyed him and may have damaged the
:37:03. > :37:05.country. Osborne was like that, and Gove fours like that. She has got
:37:06. > :37:13.rid of the people who were too clever by half. The Notting Hill
:37:14. > :37:17.set. And she is a solid, perhaps somewhat plodding person, and
:37:18. > :37:26.Phillip Hammond is a solid, somewhat plodding person. That could be
:37:27. > :37:30.deeply reassuring. Why Boris Johnson? Unfortunately, the mirror
:37:31. > :37:34.to what Michael is describing, the safe, plodding Prime Minister and
:37:35. > :37:39.Chancellor, there is a terrible flip side, which is that we seem to have
:37:40. > :37:42.someone who is not that at all as our Foreign Secretary and
:37:43. > :37:45.representative around the world. I am also worried about David Davis
:37:46. > :37:50.being in charge of Brexit negotiations. I know that is seen as
:37:51. > :37:54.the right appointment because it proves she will do Brexit, but as a
:37:55. > :38:00.negotiator who can actually sit in the room and come back with deals to
:38:01. > :38:05.suit both sides, is he the right person? Here has a lot of
:38:06. > :38:11.experience. He has been more of a commentator recently, really. She
:38:12. > :38:17.has gone for more grey hairs. Including herself. She is nine years
:38:18. > :38:24.older. The three biggest Brexit jobs have gone to David Davis, Boris
:38:25. > :38:28.Johnson and Liam Fox, not exactly the three Amigos. Unless Boris is
:38:29. > :38:32.there to keep him in when they announced the third runway at
:38:33. > :38:36.Heathrow, I am not sure. But who is going to take control of that? It
:38:37. > :38:42.should be the Foreign Secretary. We have two lead it. Miranda, good to
:38:43. > :38:45.see you. Lovely outfit and you were great in the movie.
:38:46. > :38:48.David Cameron once said that the reason he wanted to be
:38:49. > :38:50.Prime Minister was that, "I thought I'd be good at it".
:38:51. > :38:54.But being PM isn't all it's cracked up to be.
:38:55. > :38:56.Sure, you've got the nuclear launch codes and you don't have
:38:57. > :38:59.to stop at traffic lights, and you get to pretend Barack Obama
:39:00. > :39:04.You have to point at fish in Portuguese markets and look
:39:05. > :39:06.like you're enjoy flying on Easyjet when you go on holiday,
:39:07. > :39:09.to show you're not part of the global elite.
:39:10. > :39:13.So God only knows why Theresa May would want the top job.
:39:14. > :39:24.And that's why we're putting frontwomen in the Spotlight.
:39:25. > :39:28.Theresa May has attracted plenty of comparisons with the Tories'
:39:29. > :39:30.original frontwoman, Margaret Thatcher.
:39:31. > :39:33.Some say we shouldn't obsess over the gender of our new PM,
:39:34. > :39:38.but surely there's no denying this is a historic moment.
:39:39. > :39:41.When it comes to woman prime ministers, I'm very pleased to be
:39:42. > :39:44.able to say, pretty soon, it's going to be 2-0.
:39:45. > :39:47.On the other side of the chamber, Labour has never had
:39:48. > :39:49.a woman up front, apart from temporary stand-ins.
:39:50. > :39:53.Angela Eagle triggered a leadership contest this week,
:39:54. > :40:09.It certainly feels like the times are a-changing.
:40:10. > :40:11.Theresa could soon find herself bargaining with Angela,
:40:12. > :40:18.Her bid to become Leader of the Free World got a boost this
:40:19. > :40:21.week from her former Democrat rival, Bernie Sanders.
:40:22. > :40:27.She will be the next President of the United States.
:40:28. > :40:30.And living the good life - Cerys Matthews has headed up a band,
:40:31. > :40:33.radio shows and now her very own music festival.
:40:34. > :40:37.So, whether it's in rock and roll or in politics, what does it take
:40:38. > :40:45.to be frontwoman in what's traditionally been a man's world?
:40:46. > :40:53.And joining us for the This Week summer festival, Cerys Matthews.
:40:54. > :41:06.Welcome to the programme. Thank you. Do we still think, it is a front
:41:07. > :41:12.woman? Or are we getting used to it? People used to ask me when I was in
:41:13. > :41:16.a band about being a woman leading a band, I would say, I don't know what
:41:17. > :41:20.it is like to be a man leading a band. I have never identified myself
:41:21. > :41:26.as a front woman, just a front person. I always believed it is the
:41:27. > :41:33.person with ability that should get the job, no matter how they present.
:41:34. > :41:38.Do people still think, hey, it is a woman heading the band, the
:41:39. > :41:43.festival? Obviously there is work to be done because the numbers do not
:41:44. > :41:46.add up, which is what is exciting about the Cabinet reshuffle,
:41:47. > :41:51.whatever your politics. It is a glimpse of hopefully a future when
:41:52. > :41:55.the numbers are going to add up. It turns out she has only added one
:41:56. > :42:01.extra woman. The march of the women did not quite happen. But when you
:42:02. > :42:06.look over the world... Having said that, when you look in the EU, poor
:42:07. > :42:11.Angela Merkel is there in a see of suits, so there is a lot of work to
:42:12. > :42:15.be done. Hopefully in the future it will be old-fashioned to have this
:42:16. > :42:21.conversation. Is it not already going in that direction? I remember
:42:22. > :42:26.when Mrs Thatcher was chosen leader of the Tory party in 1975, it was a
:42:27. > :42:31.huge issue that she was a woman. That was the main news story. It is
:42:32. > :42:36.obviously historic that Mrs May is only the second woman Prime
:42:37. > :42:40.Minister, but it is not such a big issue and that suggests progress.
:42:41. > :42:46.What is a fresh ink is that my daughter is 12 and her generation
:42:47. > :42:50.absolutely do not want gender specifications. -- what is
:42:51. > :42:56.refreshing. They are about gender fluidity or neutrality. When I grew
:42:57. > :43:01.up, I was perplexed about the reason I could not do woodwork and I was
:43:02. > :43:07.shoved into do sewing. I wanted to play football. I just wanted to put
:43:08. > :43:13.my head down and get things done and get to do things I wanted to do,
:43:14. > :43:19.like lead a band and be a force for positive change. I think it would be
:43:20. > :43:22.fair to say that for your daughter the 21st-century will be the century
:43:23. > :43:29.of women in a way that the 20th century... I hope it is for women,
:43:30. > :43:34.the LG BT community, all colours, all creeds, the person with the
:43:35. > :43:40.right ability gets the job. That means there will be more women. You
:43:41. > :43:47.would hope so. Is it 50-50 in the world? There are still work to do.
:43:48. > :43:52.The Festival? It is great. It is an antidote to being indoors on your
:43:53. > :43:56.screens. You get out, meet people, passionate people, great ideas,
:43:57. > :44:06.food, literature music and the greater -- the great outdoors. All
:44:07. > :44:11.genders are welcome. Thank you very much. I am sorry we are short on
:44:12. > :44:14.time. Our hearts are with all victims of terrorist attacks the
:44:15. > :44:22.world over. Thank you for having me on. That is your lot for tonight but
:44:23. > :44:26.we will be followed by the news with continuing coverage on the BBC of
:44:27. > :44:29.the unfolding terrible terrorist tragedy in Nice.
:44:30. > :44:32.That's your lot for tonight, folks - but not for us, because it's
:44:33. > :44:34.John Whittingdale's leaving party tonight at Lou Lou's -
:44:35. > :44:37.and, if we don't turn up, the place could be deserted.
:44:38. > :44:39.But we leave you tonight with our former Prime Minister,
:44:40. > :44:42.and a week when - at very short notice - Call-Me-Dave had
:44:43. > :44:44.to call the removal van, and his referendum fail finally
:44:45. > :45:17.# I won't be the one to disappoint you
:45:18. > :45:24.# I won't be the one to disappoint you any more
:45:25. > :45:28.# I won't be the one to disappoint you
:45:29. > :45:38.# I won't be the one to disappoint you any more
:45:39. > :45:43.# I won't be the one to disappoint you
:45:44. > :45:48.# I won't be the one to disappoint you any more.
:45:49. > :45:56.# This place is home
:45:57. > :45:59.to more than 80,000 refugees, who fled their homes
:46:00. > :46:03.in war-torn Syria.