:00:00. > :00:12.Tonight, This Week, the final frontier, before summer.
:00:13. > :00:21.Our mission, to explore strange new politics never explored before.
:00:22. > :00:25.And I've left Lieutenant Mair in charge of the bridge.
:00:26. > :00:27.Thanks, captain, everything here is under control.
:00:28. > :00:36.I'm told they want to put a Romulan in charge.
:00:37. > :00:42.Lieutenant, the peasants of planet Earth are suddenly revolting
:00:43. > :00:47.against the centre ground, and this Romulan, who calls himself Trump,
:00:48. > :01:01.Can we save civilisation as we've known it?
:01:02. > :01:04.We're going to beam a couple of crew members into the engine room
:01:05. > :01:25.This week, Labour's rebels tried to phaser Jeremy Corbyn,
:01:26. > :01:28.but the party's leader is determined to cling on.
:01:29. > :01:29.The engines will nae take it, captain.
:01:30. > :01:42.And Jean Michel Jarre goes boldly where no man has gone before.
:01:43. > :01:57.I'm looking for signs of intelligent life on this Week. Beam me up,
:01:58. > :02:00.Eddie. It's written into the BBC Charter
:02:01. > :02:19.that This Week must at all times be presented by a boorish,
:02:20. > :02:22.grumpy red-faced Scotsman. London this week was 35 and sunny,
:02:23. > :02:30.just like Liz Kendall. In the Commons chamber,
:02:31. > :02:33.it was even hotter for some Conservative members,
:02:34. > :02:35.trembling excitedly at the announcement from vicar's
:02:36. > :02:39.daughter Theresa May that she would, if you asked her nicely,
:02:40. > :02:42.be willing to send hundreds of thousands of innocent men,
:02:43. > :02:44.women and children to meet The Prime Minister insisted
:02:45. > :02:48.that those hundreds of thousands were not a target,
:02:49. > :02:52.but an aspiration, just like cutting the migration figures,
:02:53. > :02:54.eliminating the deficit, and the rest of last
:02:55. > :02:58.year's election manifesto. Jeremy Corbyn was clear
:02:59. > :03:00.that he would never press the button if he became Prime Minister and 80%
:03:01. > :03:03.of his Parliamentary party hoped that catastrophe
:03:04. > :03:08.would never come to pass. Speaking of total armageddon, I'm
:03:09. > :03:10.joined on the sofa tonight by two Think of them as the Turkish Purge
:03:11. > :03:16.and the Turkish Bath of late I speak, of course, of #fourpercent
:03:17. > :03:25.Liz 'miserables' Kendall. And #sadmanonatrain Michael
:03:26. > :03:45.'choo choo' Portillo. I've been on this show for 14 years
:03:46. > :03:50.and my moment of the 14 years is Brexit. It is a fundamental change.
:03:51. > :03:54.On the 23rd of June we had a Conservative government whose policy
:03:55. > :03:58.was to be in the EU and now we have a Conservative government with very
:03:59. > :04:01.different personnel whose policy is to be outside the European Union.
:04:02. > :04:06.That seems a more significant change than from John Major to Tony Blair,
:04:07. > :04:09.from one party to another, and a change whose consequences we do not
:04:10. > :04:15.yet appreciate. No competition for the moment of her last year. I
:04:16. > :04:19.wouldn't disagree. It would be a huge change for the country, not in
:04:20. > :04:24.the way that some predicted, that they would be an immediate
:04:25. > :04:29.Armageddon facing the country, but I think we will see over many years
:04:30. > :04:34.big changes in the kind of country we are and the kind of economy we
:04:35. > :04:37.have. But I have another moment of the year that, for me, has been
:04:38. > :04:42.building over the last 12 months and has commentated in the really
:04:43. > :04:47.depressing and disturbing news tonight that Angela Eagle has been
:04:48. > :04:52.advised by her local police not to run her constituency surgeries
:04:53. > :04:56.because of her own safety. I think the anger, aggression, threats and
:04:57. > :04:59.abuse that have been growing in our politics and in particular in my
:05:00. > :05:03.party are a disgrace and something I never thought I would see. Lots to
:05:04. > :05:05.talk about throughout the programme. Now, before we go any further,
:05:06. > :05:08.we have a dubious This Week treat for you with the unwelcome return
:05:09. > :05:11.of the Twelfie. And given that the temperature
:05:12. > :05:13.is rising, you might well describe You know how this works: we need
:05:14. > :05:18.you to take a picture of yourself hot and bothered with proof that
:05:19. > :05:20.you're watching the programme Keep it clean please or at least
:05:21. > :05:28.wash it before you photograph it. And if we get enough
:05:29. > :05:31.of your sweaty snaps, and our work experience drones can
:05:32. > :05:34.be bothered, we'll edit your Extra points, as always,
:05:35. > :05:41.for any ice cold Blue Nun You're probably wondering
:05:42. > :05:47.where Andrew is, and I certainly was when I got the call to come
:05:48. > :05:51.here one hour ago. Apparently Angela Eagle dropped
:05:52. > :05:54.out at the last minute. What could have enticed Andrew out
:05:55. > :05:58.of this chair for a night and how on earth did the BBC afford
:05:59. > :06:01.the wild horses to do it? Andrew is Stateside,
:06:02. > :06:03.soaking up the atmosphere and political implications
:06:04. > :06:05.of the Republican National Convention in Cleveland,
:06:06. > :06:10.and wondering about the parallels between politics there
:06:11. > :06:13.and politics here. Stand by for This Week's favourite
:06:14. > :06:16.cub reporter from Paisley, Andrew Neil with his
:06:17. > :06:27.New York High-Line take of the week. MUSIC: Summertime by
:06:28. > :06:38.Miles Davis was a provincial peasants' revolt
:06:39. > :06:42.that surprised the It's yet to recover
:06:43. > :06:46.from what happened. It's currently in a curious
:06:47. > :06:52.combination of despair and denial. But the forces that caused that
:06:53. > :06:55.are now threatening to upend Donald Trump was widely regarded
:06:56. > :07:06.as a joke candidate, Yet tonight, he is being crowned
:07:07. > :07:10.in Cleveland, leaving the Republican Party establishment
:07:11. > :07:15.bruised, battered and For some of the party bigwigs,
:07:16. > :07:22.it's so painful that they can't even On both sides of the Atlantic,
:07:23. > :07:31.on the centre-left and the centre-right,
:07:32. > :07:34.mainstream politics are in trouble. Those who didn't do well
:07:35. > :07:38.out of globalisation, whose living standards have been
:07:39. > :07:42.squeezed, who felt belittled or ignored when they complained that
:07:43. > :07:45.open-door immigration was putting too much pressure
:07:46. > :07:49.on their public services, who fear that their children
:07:50. > :07:51.won't have even the limited They are rising up
:07:52. > :07:58.against the powers that be In Britain, it gave us Leave,
:07:59. > :08:09.in America, Trump, who is now running neck and neck
:08:10. > :08:11.with Hillary Clinton I suspect that some voters aren't
:08:12. > :08:20.even sure if they've done the right thing,
:08:21. > :08:24.but the chance to cut down to size a remote, metropolitan,
:08:25. > :08:25.powerful political elite was just For the traditional right,
:08:26. > :08:34.this is a problem. The Republican Party gathered
:08:35. > :08:38.in Cleveland is no longer the party of the country club,
:08:39. > :08:40.of Wall Street, of big business, or even the affluent suburbs,
:08:41. > :08:43.no longer the party It is much more populist,
:08:44. > :08:50.more nativist, more protectionist, more bitter, more blue-collar
:08:51. > :08:55.than they could ever have imagined. Theresa May had to nod in that
:08:56. > :08:58.direction as she entered Downing And across Europe, the centre-right
:08:59. > :09:01.is reeling from an onslaught But for the social democratic
:09:02. > :09:15.left, this is a crisis. Almost everywhere, it's under attack
:09:16. > :09:18.from the left and the right. The Democrats here in America,
:09:19. > :09:21.Labour in Britain, they still get the votes of the metropolis,
:09:22. > :09:24.the ethnic vote, the votes even of some of the affluent,
:09:25. > :09:27.especially the public But what chance social democracy
:09:28. > :09:33.if you've lost, perhaps forever, the votes of the working class,
:09:34. > :09:36.especially the white working Andrew joins us from
:09:37. > :10:02.the High Line to the low line We will come to you in a second,
:10:03. > :10:10.Andrew. You two, he can't hear us at the moment, so what did you think of
:10:11. > :10:16.his political analysis? A little predictable, perhaps. I thought he
:10:17. > :10:20.was spot on. What we are seeing in America, as in the UK with the
:10:21. > :10:24.Brexit vote, but right across Europe, is long-standing deep-rooted
:10:25. > :10:30.anger that the country and the economy isn't working for people.
:10:31. > :10:34.People's wages had stagnated before the crash. And since the crash, the
:10:35. > :10:39.recovery hasn't worked for middle-class Americans, or as we
:10:40. > :10:44.call them here, ordinary working people. People are angry, they feel
:10:45. > :10:49.ignored and they are going for it streams, whether left or right. That
:10:50. > :10:55.is what we are seeing in the States and here, too. Trump has been
:10:56. > :10:59.extraordinarily misogynistic, anti-Hispanic, anti-black,
:11:00. > :11:02.anti-Muslims. Which leads me to one of two conclusions. Either he cannot
:11:03. > :11:07.possibly win, because although the working classes quite large, he is
:11:08. > :11:12.basically appealing to angry white men, and they do not constitute a
:11:13. > :11:16.majority. Or if he is going to win, it is extraordinary because he has
:11:17. > :11:21.gone out of his way to offend not minorities but in the case of women
:11:22. > :11:25.majorities of the population. Andrew, I will let you respond to
:11:26. > :11:27.the assessment of your film and then let me know what you think of
:11:28. > :11:37.Michael's assessment of Trump's chances. I will go straight to the
:11:38. > :11:41.second point. It is certainly true that Donald Trump requires a massive
:11:42. > :11:46.turnout of white voters. That is really what he is pinning it on. He
:11:47. > :11:51.knows Hillary Clinton will get the black vote, 90% of it. He has 80%
:11:52. > :11:57.disapproval rate among Hispanics. He is not that popular among women but
:11:58. > :12:01.neither is Hillary Clinton. He has two things going for him. One is
:12:02. > :12:06.that in the non-white population there is usually a smaller turnout,
:12:07. > :12:09.and secondly, Hillary Clinton, the epitome of the establishment, of the
:12:10. > :12:16.kind of forces that people want to bring down, is almost as unpopular
:12:17. > :12:21.as he is. Liz and Michael, what sort of society do you think would
:12:22. > :12:24.satisfy those people on both sides of the Atlantic who are fed up with
:12:25. > :12:31.the establishment, feel let down and excluded? Sometimes we
:12:32. > :12:34.overcomplicate politics. For all the differences, and there are real
:12:35. > :12:38.differences, most people want the same thing, a good job that pays a
:12:39. > :12:42.decent wage, home to call their own, a good school for their kids, to
:12:43. > :12:46.know they will have something to look forward to when they retire,
:12:47. > :12:51.and real beaded ship would be showing how we can make a globalised
:12:52. > :12:56.economy work to deliver those things that everybody. -- real leadership.
:12:57. > :13:00.That is the challenge, whether left or right. We have assumed capitalism
:13:01. > :13:04.and democracy go hand-in-hand because during the Cold War
:13:05. > :13:09.capitalism was on the side of democracy against planned economies.
:13:10. > :13:11.That capitalism and democracy are different. Democracy is about
:13:12. > :13:16.equality and capitalism is about inequality. The partnership works
:13:17. > :13:21.well when living standards are rising and as long as inequality is
:13:22. > :13:25.not too extreme. In the last 20 years, particularly in the US, these
:13:26. > :13:29.things have broken down. Living standards for many have not risen
:13:30. > :13:32.and the inequalities have become barbaric, and the establishment has
:13:33. > :13:38.not been able to do anything about either of these factors. Andrew,
:13:39. > :13:44.when it comes to the two candidates Americans will choose between, who
:13:45. > :13:47.is more establishment? They are both establishment in their own way.
:13:48. > :13:51.Donald Trump is the son of a millionaire. But the country is
:13:52. > :13:54.revolting against the political establishment and in that regard,
:13:55. > :14:00.Donald Trump as an outsider -- outsider. He has no track record to
:14:01. > :14:03.defend all be embarrassed by. You could not get a more consummate
:14:04. > :14:09.political insider than the former wife of the governor of or --
:14:10. > :14:12.Arkansas, the former first lady, the former Secretary of State, former
:14:13. > :14:17.senator for New York State, someone who is seen to be very close to Wall
:14:18. > :14:23.Street. I will give an example of what happened in Cleveland. Last
:14:24. > :14:27.night, Senator Ted Cruz refused to endorse Mr Trump. His wife had to be
:14:28. > :14:31.given security to go out, as Republicans shouted at her because
:14:32. > :14:37.she used to work there, Goldman Sachs, Goldman Sachs. Goldman Sachs
:14:38. > :14:41.is as unpopular with the Republican convention as it would be at a
:14:42. > :14:44.Corbynista Labour Party convention. Is the choice gate to come down to
:14:45. > :14:52.the candidate they dislike least? Yes, I think that's almost certainly
:14:53. > :14:58.true. The people will not necessarily vote for Trump. They are
:14:59. > :15:04.having to bite their bottom lip and go with it. They are not that
:15:05. > :15:08.enthusiastic. They have launched this incredibly brutal attack on
:15:09. > :15:13.Hillary Clinton and they want people to vote against her. In the same way
:15:14. > :15:16.as you will see next week in Philadelphia, the democratic message
:15:17. > :15:20.will not so much be to boost Mrs Clinton, though they'll do that, it
:15:21. > :15:28.will be to say for Gods sake we cannot have this man Trump President
:15:29. > :15:36.of our country. It will be I think the most negative campaign in
:15:37. > :15:50.presidential living memory. What do you Loch think a Trump win would
:15:51. > :15:55.mean? It would mean withdrawing support internationally, a retro
:15:56. > :16:00.grade step on free trade. Would America be great again? I don't
:16:01. > :16:04.believe that, because the truth is, how you wield power and influence in
:16:05. > :16:07.a world that's more connected than ever before is by working with
:16:08. > :16:14.others. The problem I think, as we have been talking about, is that we
:16:15. > :16:18.have not found a way to show that a globalised economy can deliver for
:16:19. > :16:23.most people. And this, you know, Andrew talked about the anger about
:16:24. > :16:27.Goldman Sachs and also the state and Government generally and I think
:16:28. > :16:32.unless business, as well as government, wakes up to that and
:16:33. > :16:37.changes what it does so that we narrow these inequalities, this
:16:38. > :16:41.anger will simply continue. I don't necessarily disagree with everything
:16:42. > :16:45.Liz says but to play devil's advocate. The United States would
:16:46. > :16:51.become much more unpredictable with trump. That might have interesting
:16:52. > :16:55.consequences, more unpredictable for Putin and Assad for example and
:16:56. > :17:00.Isis. At the moment, because of the post-Iraq trauma because of the
:17:01. > :17:06.Obama presidency, all those can assume America's not played any part
:17:07. > :17:09.in the world stage. Trump might advisedly or ill-advisedly become
:17:10. > :17:13.involved in some of that. It certainly introduces a level of
:17:14. > :17:18.unpredictability and it's what quite a lot of Americans are looking for.
:17:19. > :17:26.An true, is it your expectation that Trump can give a speech that might
:17:27. > :17:30.surprise eeven the sceptics? I have an exclusive embargo of his speech.
:17:31. > :17:34.It's blank. But let me move on. LAUGHTER.
:17:35. > :17:38.Michael is a little devil, but not the way he thinks. It will be a
:17:39. > :17:42.surprise to Putin because a Trump America would probably become Mr
:17:43. > :17:46.Putin's biggest allie, a Trump America would do very little about
:17:47. > :17:49.Mr Assad so they'd both be happy which makes you think. At the
:17:50. > :17:54.moment, because of the momentum, because this speech tonight you know
:17:55. > :18:00.could be watched by over 40 million people, more than watched Barack
:18:01. > :18:04.Obama when he got chosen for the democratic candidate in 200. The
:18:05. > :18:08.momentum is with him this week, it always is in the convention. I
:18:09. > :18:11.expect him to be ahead in the polls by the weekend, but Hillary Clinton
:18:12. > :18:15.will start to pull that back next week at the convention. None of it
:18:16. > :18:21.matters at the moment or even through the summer. It matters at
:18:22. > :18:25.the beginning of September when the real campaign begins. One thing is
:18:26. > :18:29.for sure, none of us would have said even six months ago, this is going
:18:30. > :18:32.to be a race, Mrs Clinton is favourite, but nobody has this race
:18:33. > :18:35.in the bag. Andrew, thank you.
:18:36. > :18:38.It's late - so late you begin to imagine what Liam,
:18:39. > :18:43.David and Boris are doing right now in their flat in Chevening.
:18:44. > :18:49.You can banish that image from your mind because waiting in the wings,
:18:50. > :18:54.we can hardly believe it, pioneering music legend,
:18:55. > :18:56.Jean-Michel Jarre is in the studio and looking forward to talking
:18:57. > :19:03.And if your vision of the future is a dystopian world where This Week
:19:04. > :19:06.viewers rule supreme you probably already follow this programme
:19:07. > :19:10.on The Twitter, the Fleecebook, Snappysnaps or Instaspam.
:19:11. > :19:15.Here on This Week we are relentless in our pursuit
:19:16. > :19:21.It may look like it's all about silly props and cheap laughs,
:19:22. > :19:27.But this is your one stop pre-holiday shop to find out
:19:28. > :19:29.what politicians have been up to before their summer break.
:19:30. > :19:32.Theresa May went nuclear, so did the Labour leadership contest.
:19:33. > :19:35.So strap yourself in for Kevin Maguire and John Pienaar
:19:36. > :19:38.on a final scramble for a story before the holidays.
:19:39. > :19:50.Their Planes, Trains and Submarines round up of the political week.
:19:51. > :19:58.PHONE RINGS. John, Kevin, just checking you're
:19:59. > :20:04.managing without me. Hi, Andrew, yes, we'll be all right. Hello,
:20:05. > :20:10.Andrew. Yes, calm down, we have got a lot to get through. Trident vote,
:20:11. > :20:14.Labour Party in meltdown, Theresa May's first PMQs. Who knows what
:20:15. > :20:24.else might have happened. OK, look, I've got to go, the private jet's
:20:25. > :20:28.waiting to take me to Mystique. Michael Gove is going to help you
:20:29. > :20:30.with the scripting tonight, guys. Hello? Hello? I think they've hung
:20:31. > :20:41.up. Let's go to Lanzarote before
:20:42. > :20:43.something else happens. Yes, like Labour getting its act together.
:20:44. > :20:48.Slow down. All the time in the world. I want to say to all members
:20:49. > :20:52.of the Labour Party tonight, young and old, long-standing new members,
:20:53. > :20:57.I can be their champion, I'm just as radical as Jeremy Corbyn. So they
:20:58. > :21:03.had their hustings, Angela Eagle, Owen Smith, and then there was
:21:04. > :21:07.one... Taxi. Owen Smith, the unity candidate. Corbyn will be hard to
:21:08. > :21:16.beat but can the unity candidate unite the party? Do we know where we
:21:17. > :21:21.are going. I've got a few bob. Step aside boys, taxi for Corbyn.
:21:22. > :21:31.Take a left. A hard left. I suppose after that, we'd better
:21:32. > :21:35.let the train take the strain. This party is going places, this party is
:21:36. > :21:39.strong, this part aye is capable of winning a general election and if
:21:40. > :21:45.I'm leader of that party, I will be that Prime Minister.
:21:46. > :21:48.It's going to be a long, hot summer for Labour's troublesome candidates.
:21:49. > :21:52.Not just them. The new Foreign Secretary's discovered he has a
:21:53. > :21:57.packed schedule, starting in Europe. Very, very good to be here for my
:21:58. > :22:00.first overseas trip and clearly the message I'll be taking to our
:22:01. > :22:07.friends in the council is that we have to give effect to the will of
:22:08. > :22:17.the people and leave the European Union, but that means we are leaving
:22:18. > :22:22.Europe. Perhaps Boris should stay a staycation with the others. Excuse
:22:23. > :22:24.me. I'm trying to have a look. That might be a 375 electrical unit. Choo
:22:25. > :22:34.choo! Boris Johnson's got a lot of bridges
:22:35. > :22:39.to build, not just in Europe. Is there anywhere he hasn't offended?
:22:40. > :22:44.Cuts down your holiday options. What about Papua New Guinea. Brilliant.
:22:45. > :22:54.Hang on a minute, 2006, he called them cannibals. America? This man is
:22:55. > :23:00.a very smart and capable man. That's Boris Johnson. I've met him. That's
:23:01. > :23:10.the Boris Johnson that I intend to work with and we intend to make good
:23:11. > :23:12.things happen together. Thank you. Part of the diplomacy. It's going
:23:13. > :23:21.well, John, thank you very much. It was almost as if he could hear
:23:22. > :23:28.Boris thinking, this is real, isn't it? ! If anyone can surprise you,
:23:29. > :23:30.it's Boris. I spent a month during the leadership election going around
:23:31. > :23:34.the country and he threw in the towel. I could have spent the whole
:23:35. > :23:40.time in a room with Theresa May, but Boris's name is going to open doors.
:23:41. > :23:48.Maybe trap doors. Excuse me, is this all stations to Brexit and, if so,
:23:49. > :23:51.can you tell me where I get off? Lanzarote here we come. Hang on a
:23:52. > :23:54.minute, this doesn't look right. Come on, what do you think? I got it
:23:55. > :24:12.on eBay. Bargain, ?40 billion. It's a bit cosy. It's fine. Fine.
:24:13. > :24:19.Little bit dated OK. Theresa May, she won her vote on Trident renewal
:24:20. > :24:23.by a big margin. A few on the other side were surprised. Is she
:24:24. > :24:26.personally prepared to organise a nuclear strike that could kill
:24:27. > :24:30.100,000 innocent men, women and children? Yes.
:24:31. > :24:33.And I have to say to the honourable gentleman, the whole point of a
:24:34. > :24:36.deterrent is that our enemies need to know that we would be prepared to
:24:37. > :24:44.use it. Yes. Was this really about renewing
:24:45. > :24:49.Trident or a pretemptive strike on an already listing Labour Party? The
:24:50. > :25:03.vote felt less the hunt for red October and more the race for red
:25:04. > :25:08.September. Take that hat off. The Bolsheviks out number you. Prime
:25:09. > :25:14.Minister May's first Question Time, Jeremy Corbyn welcomed her but then
:25:15. > :25:18.tried to launch a counter strike. Sh, I'm picking something up on
:25:19. > :25:22.sonar. It's a sense of humour. I suspect there are many members on
:25:23. > :25:27.the opposition benches who might be familiar with an unscrupulous boss.
:25:28. > :25:32.A boss who doesn't listen to his workers. A boss who requires some of
:25:33. > :25:42.his workers to double their workload. A boss maybe even who
:25:43. > :25:54.exploits the rules to further his own career. Remind him of anybody? !
:25:55. > :26:00.So, we are picking up a submarine. It looks like it's trying to defect
:26:01. > :26:05.to Berlin. Good grief. That's in Europe. We can't let that happen.
:26:06. > :26:12.After all, Brexit means Brexit, says Admiral May. At least that's what
:26:13. > :26:18.she told Angela Merkel. Charges away. I've been clear that Brexit
:26:19. > :26:22.means Brexit and the United Kingdom is going to make a success of it.
:26:23. > :26:27.But I also want to be clear here today and across Europe in the weeks
:26:28. > :26:33.ahead, that we are not walking away from our European friends. Britain
:26:34. > :26:39.will remain an outward looking country and Germany will remain a
:26:40. > :26:41.vital partner. Cosy. Looking forward to this holiday. Mind you, I'm
:26:42. > :26:46.already looking forward to the autumn. A woman in Downing Street,
:26:47. > :26:49.the Labour Party all oaf the place. Feel quite young again! We could
:26:50. > :26:54.have a President Trump in the White House. Look what I've found? It's
:26:55. > :26:58.the Prime Minister's letter of last resort. What does it say? Call
:26:59. > :27:03.Boris. Destroy it, quickly. With thanks to the Chatham Historic
:27:04. > :27:07.Dockyard for letting us And now we're joined in the studio
:27:08. > :27:12.by an ambitious young man who many people are calling
:27:13. > :27:15.'The New Nicola Sturgeon' though curiously not
:27:16. > :27:18.the existing Nicola Sturgeon, SNP superstar, and
:27:19. > :27:32.future First Minister Thank you. You wrote that exactly as
:27:33. > :27:36.I wanted it. Do you want to be First Minister? No. That's never going to
:27:37. > :27:40.happen then. I want to talk about Labour first. You surprise me. It's
:27:41. > :27:45.going to be Jeremy Corbyn or Owen Smith but not you. Are you OK with
:27:46. > :27:51.that? Yes, totally. Jeremy Corbyn launched his bid today, his
:27:52. > :27:56.five-point plan to tackle inequality, neglect, insecurity,
:27:57. > :28:02.prejudice, discrimination and innumeracy. Do you disagree with any
:28:03. > :28:06.of that, you couldn't could you? Look, both Owen and Jeremy will set
:28:07. > :28:12.their case forward but look, I think that we are facing this terrible
:28:13. > :28:16.paradox in the Labour Party at the moment where there's this ennews
:28:17. > :28:20.yassic movement behind Jeremy and it appears that his ratings are going
:28:21. > :28:26.up against existing members. Yet when you ask the public, you get the
:28:27. > :28:32.exact opposite and we really are now at decision time at the Labour
:28:33. > :28:36.Party. Even when asked about elections, Jeremy Corbyn says he
:28:37. > :28:40.wins them? We did badly at the last local council elections and if you
:28:41. > :28:43.look at the pole ratings and Jeremy's ratings with the public, we
:28:44. > :28:47.are doing very bad and we have to make a decision here. Do we believe
:28:48. > :28:51.our mission is to be a party of Government to put our principles
:28:52. > :28:56.into practice and change people's lives or do we want to protest on
:28:57. > :28:59.the sidelines? I think Owen's made a powerful case that we must always be
:29:00. > :29:04.for the latter and that's why he has my full support in this contest. In
:29:05. > :29:09.the five goals, can you disagree with them as an aim for Labour? I
:29:10. > :29:13.want to see us tackle inequality and all of the issues that have been set
:29:14. > :29:17.out but I do not believe that Jeremy has the leadership qualities or
:29:18. > :29:23.right policies to do that. I think that we saw the head of
:29:24. > :29:27.momentum say in a tweet that, winning was just something that the
:29:28. > :29:31.elite wanted to keep power for themselves. No, we want to win, so
:29:32. > :29:36.that we can change people's lives. That is the big decision facing the
:29:37. > :29:39.Labour Party and Owen is absolutely passionate that we are there to
:29:40. > :29:40.change people's lives and not just protest on the sidelines and I very
:29:41. > :29:52.much agree. What do you think of Owen Smith?
:29:53. > :29:56.Something that has puzzled me about him is that he seems to have made
:29:57. > :30:01.quite a business of wanting to rerun the referendum, or to have it
:30:02. > :30:05.verified by an election, whereas as I understand it in Wales the
:30:06. > :30:08.majority of Labour voters voted to leave, in the north-east, where
:30:09. > :30:13.there are many Labour voters, the majority voted to leave. So I am
:30:14. > :30:22.puzzled that he should try and take that stance. Maybe he is looking for
:30:23. > :30:25.a vote in Scotland. I don't think Labour have a chance of recovering
:30:26. > :30:29.in Scotland in the near term, between now and the next election.
:30:30. > :30:37.They have to write it off in the next election. Lives? I don't think
:30:38. > :30:42.we would ever write off Scotland. You might not say it, but is it the
:30:43. > :30:47.reality? I don't believe that is the case. We need to rebuild everywhere
:30:48. > :30:52.to provide effective opposition to the government. Which candidate
:30:53. > :30:58.would you prefer to win the lead -- the Labour leadership election? I
:30:59. > :31:07.don't have a dog in the fight. I have to say, if I was a young Labour
:31:08. > :31:11.voter in England and I wanted a new politics and I joined the Labour
:31:12. > :31:16.Party to support Jeremy Corbyn and just to get involved in politics, I
:31:17. > :31:20.would find the behaviour of a lot of the Labour backbenchers utterly
:31:21. > :31:24.frustrating. Because as soon as Jeremy Corbyn was elected, I sat and
:31:25. > :31:31.watched it, they treated him with a visceral hatred, from the word go.
:31:32. > :31:34.Liz Kendall shaking her hand but I watched, I hear the comments and I
:31:35. > :31:39.sit and listen to what they say. Even at the start of Question Time,
:31:40. > :31:44.when the leaders come out they get a cheer from their side. He never got
:31:45. > :31:49.a cheer from his side, even after he was just elected. I think they've
:31:50. > :31:53.acted very badly and I think surely there has to be some sort of respect
:31:54. > :31:59.for the duly elected leader of a party with such a huge mandate.
:32:00. > :32:03.There was respect. Many people decided to serve in the Shadow
:32:04. > :32:10.Cabinet and bust a gut to make it work. I did not see much evidence of
:32:11. > :32:15.that. People were really torn when they decided to resign. Why did they
:32:16. > :32:20.treat him so disrespectfully? A simple thing, why did they not cheer
:32:21. > :32:26.when he walked out to ask the Prime Minister questions? You have a short
:32:27. > :32:29.memory. People did support him early on. I think his failure of
:32:30. > :32:35.leadership was why many people, from Angela Eagle to Owen Smith and many
:32:36. > :32:43.others... I have a good memory and I remember how he was treated. There
:32:44. > :32:46.is a small group of people who join the Labour Party, completely
:32:47. > :32:50.unrepresentative of Labour voters, of the British population, but
:32:51. > :32:55.Jeremy Corbyn calls this a democracy. There are all sorts of
:32:56. > :32:58.people in the United Kingdom today who are fearing that this calamitous
:32:59. > :33:03.choice as Labour leader, I call him a calamitous and I think that is a
:33:04. > :33:06.proper expression for someone who does not marred 80% of the support
:33:07. > :33:10.of his parliamentary party, there is a fear that this calamitous choice
:33:11. > :33:15.could become Prime Minister, selected by this tiny group of
:33:16. > :33:20.Momentum inspired, self appointed, unrepresentative people. The same
:33:21. > :33:24.criticism could be made of the Conservative Party and I accept
:33:25. > :33:30.that. We need a situation where parliamentarians choose the leader.
:33:31. > :33:34.Michael raises an important point. I just want to turn attention to the
:33:35. > :33:38.new Prime Minister and her performance at Prime Minister's
:33:39. > :33:45.Questions. Was she Margaret Thatcher- light? She didn't even
:33:46. > :33:49.appear to be particularly liked on this occasion. I last new Theresa
:33:50. > :33:54.May 15 years ago and have been amazed at how she has developed. To
:33:55. > :33:56.perform like that in your first Prime Minister's Questions is
:33:57. > :34:01.commendable. I do not know whether she will be able to sustain it. The
:34:02. > :34:07.humour was excellent, the timing was good. Did you see echoes of
:34:08. > :34:11.Thatcher? Of course. That was deliberate. She wanted that
:34:12. > :34:15.headline, the way she lent forward and lowered her voice when she
:34:16. > :34:19.delivered the gag. But she pulled it off extremely well. Just now they
:34:20. > :34:24.had a joke about detecting a sense of humour with sonar. That was what
:34:25. > :34:29.made it so amazing. Nothing had made us think she was capable of that
:34:30. > :34:33.performance. She nailed the joke perfectly. I was watching her as she
:34:34. > :34:39.delivered it and she had the Thatcher voice down pat as well, the
:34:40. > :34:44.lowering of the voice and the very, very severe stare that she did at
:34:45. > :34:48.the end as well. It was a very impressive first performance. That
:34:49. > :34:56.is two Fach impressions from the boys. You are not getting one from
:34:57. > :35:00.me. -- facture impressions. I think the interesting thing about what
:35:01. > :35:06.Theresa May has said so far is this explicit pitch at the centre ground.
:35:07. > :35:11.Her cabinet, I think, is very much to the right, but her language,
:35:12. > :35:14.about an economy that works for everyone, straight out of our last
:35:15. > :35:20.manifesto and speeches by Ed Miliband. The question is, in a
:35:21. > :35:27.post-Brexit Britain, with all the challenges we have, are the Tories
:35:28. > :35:29.going to go down a low tax, deregulated, small state vision of
:35:30. > :35:32.Britain in order to succeed now we are no longer in Europe, in which
:35:33. > :35:37.case that will not deliver for ordinary people, or is she going to
:35:38. > :35:41.be able to put those words into practice? I don't believe she will
:35:42. > :35:46.be able to do that but I thought it was interesting that that is where
:35:47. > :35:49.she has pitched her stall. I know you disagree with her policy on
:35:50. > :35:55.Trident, but were you impressed that she backed it up by saying she would
:35:56. > :36:00.press the button? I find it chilling that she said she would press the
:36:01. > :36:05.button. I think it is unprecedented for a Prime Minister in the Commons
:36:06. > :36:10.to give that direct answer. It was honest. They are always ambiguous
:36:11. > :36:17.about this, leaving wriggle room. The debate on Trident was very poor.
:36:18. > :36:21.I sat for seven hours and basically five arguments were used on each
:36:22. > :36:25.side, backwards and forwards and backwards and forwards. No one
:36:26. > :36:31.changed their mind in the course of the debate. The House of Commons is
:36:32. > :36:37.enormously self congratulatory. Often you get to the end of the day
:36:38. > :36:42.and it will be an amazingly boring debate and a succession of MPs will
:36:43. > :36:47.stand up and say, I think we have had a simply splendid debate. You
:36:48. > :36:52.think, were we in the same room? That was beyond dull. It was not a
:36:53. > :37:00.good debate, entirely predictable. But I have to pay credit to one Tory
:37:01. > :37:03.MP, the chair of the foreign affairs select committee, Crispin Blunt, who
:37:04. > :37:10.was the solitary Tory in the lobby against Trident. By the way, you
:37:11. > :37:12.were terrific, just terrific. And I don't mean that in a House of
:37:13. > :37:14.Commons way! This Week has always been
:37:15. > :37:16.the programme that knows what tomorrow brings because,
:37:17. > :37:18.well, it's always tomorrow The team here are not afraid
:37:19. > :37:22.of the future, though I think they are afraid of Andrew,
:37:23. > :37:24.judging by the grafitti For many people, though,
:37:25. > :37:27.the future is disturbing. We've decided to predict what comes
:37:28. > :37:31.next, and put Tomorrow's World My question is, does our possession
:37:32. > :37:41.of nuclear weapons make us more secure and make
:37:42. > :37:43.the world more secure? The decision on whether to renew our
:37:44. > :37:49.nuclear deterrent hinges not just on the threats we face today,
:37:50. > :37:52.but also on an assessment of what the world will be
:37:53. > :37:55.like over the coming decades. One thing they could
:37:56. > :37:58.agree on was that nobody In the end, the Commons
:37:59. > :38:02.voted to renew Trident. But who can guess whether it's
:38:03. > :38:07.a nuclear war that we need insure In a week when attackers in France
:38:08. > :38:12.and Germany used far less sophisticated weapons to terrorise,
:38:13. > :38:15.are the threats we face now more But in an age of technological
:38:16. > :38:24.innovation, surely the future has never looked
:38:25. > :38:27.brighter for youngsters. Not according to the Resolution
:38:28. > :38:29.Foundation think tank, who said this week that
:38:30. > :38:32.despite the perks they enjoy, millennials could become the first
:38:33. > :38:34.generation to earn less Breaking boundaries,
:38:35. > :38:43.Jean Michel Jarre has always embraced the future
:38:44. > :38:48.with his pioneering brand of electronic music,
:38:49. > :38:50.but his new album now questions our So is even he sounding a note
:38:51. > :38:55.of caution about what And we are incredibly excited to be
:38:56. > :39:02.joined by the pioneering electronic musician,
:39:03. > :39:21.Jean Michel Jarre. Thank you. Excited about the future
:39:22. > :39:26.or a bit scared? When I started as a young musician, we have this kind of
:39:27. > :39:31.greed and optimistic vision for the future. We were all thinking that
:39:32. > :39:40.after 2001, cars would fly, Europe would be united. We have been
:39:41. > :39:45.slightly disappointed. Maybe after the year 2000, we lost this
:39:46. > :39:49.appetite, this hope for the future. In a sense, we have two reinvent the
:39:50. > :39:56.future. It is a bit like the end of the 20th century was the beginning
:39:57. > :40:01.of an era, with lots of hope. The beginning of the 21st-century would
:40:02. > :40:04.be like the end of something, that we have two reinvent ourselves,
:40:05. > :40:09.politically, socially and probably artistically as well. How much of
:40:10. > :40:17.that is to do with world events, and how much to do with getting older? I
:40:18. > :40:25.think it is duty the idea that, the fact that suddenly technology went
:40:26. > :40:28.so fast. We have an ambiguous relationship with modern technology.
:40:29. > :40:32.On the one side, the world in our pockets through our smartphones. On
:40:33. > :40:39.the other side, we feel spied on by the outside world. So we have an
:40:40. > :40:45.anxiety for tomorrow. Tell me about your collaboration with Edward
:40:46. > :40:49.Snowden. My last album, one of the recurring themes of this project is
:40:50. > :40:54.our relationship with technology. I was recording this project, and I
:40:55. > :41:00.had been really moved by this young man. And he made me think, in a
:41:01. > :41:04.strange way, of my mum. My mum was a great figure in the French
:41:05. > :41:10.resistance, went into the French resistance in 1941. She always told
:41:11. > :41:13.me at that time that lots of French people don't want to remember. Lots
:41:14. > :41:18.of people were considering resistance as troublemakers, even
:41:19. > :41:24.traitors, because they work questioning the place. The United
:41:25. > :41:28.States has been founded on an act of resistance but it was considered by
:41:29. > :41:37.the King at that moment as an act of treason. We were all thinking about
:41:38. > :41:41.what is going on with Donald Trump on one side of the ocean and Marine
:41:42. > :41:47.Le Pen on the other side, where lots of young people are rejecting the
:41:48. > :41:53.power in place because of, they don't believe in politics any more.
:41:54. > :41:56.I think when you meet a young individual like Edward Snowden,
:41:57. > :42:02.questioning the power in place, trying to tell the truth, and
:42:03. > :42:07.questioning the power in place to improve his country, I think it's an
:42:08. > :42:12.interesting reference. So I went to Moscow to work with him. He is not
:42:13. > :42:21.an artist, not a musician, but it was interesting, in an artistic way,
:42:22. > :42:27.not to promote his idea, but the kind of action. We need people like
:42:28. > :42:31.him, I think, as a positive reference, even if he is quite
:42:32. > :42:36.controversial. Thinking about the unity of Europe which may be
:42:37. > :42:41.slipping further in terms of timetable, in 2001. We had Francois
:42:42. > :42:45.Hollande meeting our new Prime Minister today and essentially
:42:46. > :42:52.saying, hurry up, get out the door, leave the EU. What do you think of
:42:53. > :42:56.that? Time will tell. I know there is lots of worries on both sides of
:42:57. > :43:01.the channel and on both sides, but I think England has always been, as
:43:02. > :43:06.you know better than myself, in an ambiguous relationship with the rest
:43:07. > :43:16.of Europe. Since Elizabeth the first. England, you had a kind of
:43:17. > :43:22.distance, a room at attitude towards the rest of Europe. At the end of
:43:23. > :43:28.the day, it has not been that bad for the UK. Tell me about your
:43:29. > :43:33.festival. I am very happy to tour with this new project. I am involved
:43:34. > :43:40.in this collaboration with Edward Snowden. Not physically. But in the
:43:41. > :43:45.next few hours I am doing a concert in Jodrell Bank in Manchester and
:43:46. > :43:53.playing at arenas like the O2 Arena in London. And I am looking forward
:43:54. > :43:57.to meeting the British audience. Whatever Brexit is on and off and
:43:58. > :44:02.will exist, it is not going to be the case for me and musicians, as an
:44:03. > :44:04.artist, obviously. Very good to see you.
:44:05. > :44:06.Well, that's your lot for tonight, until This Week
:44:07. > :44:10.But not for us, because it's the This Week end of term party
:44:11. > :44:13.Apparently Andrew will be dancing on the big screen,
:44:14. > :44:15.live, via satellite, from New York City.
:44:16. > :44:17.Count your blessings you won't be there to see it.
:44:18. > :44:20.But we leave you tonight with this programme's one contribution
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