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:00:09. > :00:17.Tonight, let's hear it for the This Week Cheerleading champions

:00:18. > :00:23.# Mickey you're so fine. # You're so fine you blow my mind...

:00:24. > :00:31.# Who loves Trump, you or me? Eugh,

:00:32. > :00:35.not us. They may not. The controversial commentator, Katie

:00:36. > :00:42.Hopkins does. Although Trump is not perfect, but I'd rather be ruled by

:00:43. > :00:50.him than Clinton. 1, 2, 3, 4, Brexit's knocking at your door. A

:00:51. > :00:54.smile on your lips, spirit in your heart, Miranda is ready to start.

:00:55. > :00:57.Some Tories have been cheer leading for a hard Brexit this week. It's

:00:58. > :01:07.dominated events. Not everyone is happen. 2, 4, 6, 8, who still

:01:08. > :01:12.appreciates? The USSR. We take Katie Mel with a back to her roots.

:01:13. > :01:19.Relations are get cold in the This Week studio. Who has the Blue Nun.

:01:20. > :01:26.We are proud, we like to cheer the crowd. Bring it on This week!

:01:27. > :01:31.Welcome to This Week, and I start with some grave news.

:01:32. > :01:35.At 0800 hours this morning, the editor of this programme

:01:36. > :01:38.was summoned by the Director-General of the BBC to his luxury yacht,

:01:39. > :01:46.moored on the Thames, where he was informed that,

:01:47. > :01:49.because of the plummeting value of the pound, the BBC could no

:01:50. > :01:51.longer afford This Week's ballooning bill for Blue Nun.

:01:52. > :01:53.Henceforth, once existing stocks of the German Riesling

:01:54. > :01:56.were depleted, we'd have to make do with a weekly crate of Buckfast

:01:57. > :01:58.or something called Old Portillo's Home Brew,

:01:59. > :02:05.Well, shock does not begin to describe our reaction

:02:06. > :02:08.The editor has already checked herself into a clinic.

:02:09. > :02:21.I'm sure you'll agree it rather puts the row over the price

:02:22. > :02:23.of Marmite, who cares about that, into perspective,

:02:24. > :02:28.Reports are reaching us that rioting has broken out in certain German

:02:29. > :02:30.vineyards in protest at the potential loss of jobs

:02:31. > :02:32.and I understand that the German Chancellor is, as I speak,

:02:33. > :02:36.on the phone to the Prime Minister urging her to force the BBC

:02:37. > :02:38.to reconsider on the basis that our consumption of Blue Nun

:02:39. > :02:42.is the main reason Germany runs such a huge trading surplus with the UK.

:02:43. > :02:46.Who could have imagined Brexit would lead to this?

:02:47. > :02:49.But then who would have thought that a bunch of Remainers,

:02:50. > :02:52.while claiming unctiously to respect the decision on June 23rd,

:02:53. > :02:55.would do all they can to undermine the Brexit process.

:02:56. > :02:58.Or that a bunch of Leavers, who won with a vainglorious promise

:02:59. > :03:01.to restore Parliamentary sovereignty, now don't want

:03:02. > :03:04.Parliament to have anything to do with the Brexit process.

:03:05. > :03:10.And, speaking of strange, I'm joined on the sofa tonight

:03:11. > :03:14.by two guests who have long been a stranger to sobriety.

:03:15. > :03:17.Think of them as the Boris Yeltsin and Winston Churchill of late night

:03:18. > :03:25.Michael #sadmanonatrain Portillo and Michael

:03:26. > :03:41.Moment of the week? Bob Dylan was named Nobel Laureate. Indeed. How

:03:42. > :03:48.many roads can a man walk down before... Oh, my gosh... That's

:03:49. > :03:52.stuck in this in your mind. Before he knows... He got through to you as

:03:53. > :03:58.a kid, didn't he? It's difficult to man now that in the early 1960s in

:03:59. > :04:04.the United States there was segregation in schools, in colleges

:04:05. > :04:08.on buses, on trains, entrances to public buildings and that song,

:04:09. > :04:13.Blowing in the Wind, was one of the two things, along with the speeches

:04:14. > :04:17.of Dr Martin Luther King that brought this terrible state of

:04:18. > :04:20.affairs to world prominence, to understanding around the world and

:04:21. > :04:25.made an enormous difference. I think because his words were so effective

:04:26. > :04:28.in changing what happened in the United States, that is why he

:04:29. > :04:32.deserves to be a Nobel Laureate today. You are in favour? I'm in

:04:33. > :04:36.favour. I knew you would get there in the end! You can take your time.

:04:37. > :04:41.Obviously, I'm going to live forever 678 Your moment of the week My

:04:42. > :04:45.moment of the week happened today in the chamber of the House of Commons.

:04:46. > :04:50.There was a debate, backbench business debate, on... Around the

:04:51. > :04:55.awareness week this week for bereaved parents who have lost

:04:56. > :04:59.babies. There was an amazing speech that took everyone by surprise in

:05:00. > :05:03.the chamber. I wasn't in the chamber, I watched it afterwards on

:05:04. > :05:07.television by a Lewisham MP who stood up in the House of Commons.

:05:08. > :05:12.She has been a friend of mine for 20 years. I'd no idea about this,

:05:13. > :05:16.neither did most of her friends. She gave an incredibly powerful, moving,

:05:17. > :05:20.heartbreaking speech where she talked about how a number of years

:05:21. > :05:25.ago she had had a baby who had only lived for five days. She told this

:05:26. > :05:30.story and people were in floods of tears in the House. Now, incredibly

:05:31. > :05:34.brave of her to do that and, you know, this is about raising

:05:35. > :05:39.awareness. It was about helping other bereaved parents to come to

:05:40. > :05:44.terms with this if they can possibly can can and talk about improving

:05:45. > :05:48.services those people get. The House of Commons gets bad press, often,

:05:49. > :05:51.sometimes deservedly so, occasionally you see moments like

:05:52. > :05:56.that. I think she made a real difference today. It was incredibly

:05:57. > :05:57.brave speech. You brought it more attention by making it your moment

:05:58. > :06:03.tonight. Now to Donald Trump,

:06:04. > :06:05.the gift that keeps on giving, unless of course you're female

:06:06. > :06:07.and he fancies you, and you're within easy reach,

:06:08. > :06:10.or stuck in a locker room with him. The wannabe American president has

:06:11. > :06:13.had a bad week after leaked tapes of lewd comments about women

:06:14. > :06:16.and a string of accusations that Heading south in the polls,

:06:17. > :06:22.Mr Trump is down, but not yet out. We turned to a champion

:06:23. > :06:32.of the underdog, even Never one to shy away

:06:33. > :06:35.from controversy, Katie Hopkins I'm not ashamed to say that

:06:36. > :06:55.I love Donald Trump. I love his bombastic

:06:56. > :06:57.rhetoric, his charisma The presidential hopeful

:06:58. > :06:59.understands the fears He's sick of politicians saying one

:07:00. > :07:03.thing and doing another. People have had enough

:07:04. > :07:05.of the establishment. And one thing they do not want

:07:06. > :07:11.is another four years of liberal politics,

:07:12. > :07:13.losing control of immigration, the Supreme Court and indeed

:07:14. > :07:19.the second amendment. Donald Trump shares people's

:07:20. > :07:22.fears of terrorism. Of course his ban on Muslims

:07:23. > :07:26.was never going to work. But he does understand that

:07:27. > :07:30.a love-in and promoting multi-culturalism right now is not

:07:31. > :07:37.what people want to hear. Donald Trump's had

:07:38. > :07:39.a tough few weeks. His comments were lewd and crude

:07:40. > :07:47.but, you know, I think we need But frankly, what people do

:07:48. > :07:57.in private is none of my business It would be a cruel irony

:07:58. > :08:02.if the very thing that sees Trump lose the White House is the fact

:08:03. > :08:05.that he has human flaws, And frankly, I'd rather deal

:08:06. > :08:13.with pussy-gate than Hillary Thanks there to the cheerleaders

:08:14. > :08:30.from Zoo Riot London who, just like the BBC, are impartial

:08:31. > :08:44.on the outcome of the American You say Donald Trump is lewd and

:08:45. > :08:47.crude, you say what people do in private is their own business. He

:08:48. > :08:51.bragged about sexually afaulting women. It's not a private matter,

:08:52. > :08:56.it's not lewd and crude, it's criminal? It's a conversation he had

:08:57. > :09:00.in private. I think many of us have similar conversations in private and

:09:01. > :09:05.I'm surprised that we are going on and on about this... Bragging about

:09:06. > :09:09.sexual assault? I'm surprised we're not talking about things that

:09:10. > :09:14.actually matter to people when they are voting like jobs... Doesn't that

:09:15. > :09:17.matter that we need to know whether the Presidential candidate is the

:09:18. > :09:20.kind of person that brags about sexual assault, doesn't that matter

:09:21. > :09:24.to you? I think what matters more is that he still has a tremendous

:09:25. > :09:28.amount of support and what I see here in the UK... Less than he had?

:09:29. > :09:32.There is barely any recognition of the level of support that he has. I

:09:33. > :09:35.think we are going to see a lot of voters coming out to vote for Trump

:09:36. > :09:40.just because the election is so polarised this time. What makes

:09:41. > :09:44.Trump fit to be president? He says he would carpet bomb areas

:09:45. > :09:50.controlled by Isis. That hes a a war crime. He says he would torture

:09:51. > :09:54.terrorists. That's illegal. He says that Isis will take over America if

:09:55. > :10:00.Hillary Clinton wins the White House. That's bonkers. So what makes

:10:01. > :10:03.him fit to be president? In my personal opinion, I think he is

:10:04. > :10:07.saying the sort of things people now want to hear. He's talking about

:10:08. > :10:11.tough controls on immigration. Which people want to hear. I didn't

:10:12. > :10:14.mention that. He is talking about sorting out terrorism which people

:10:15. > :10:18.want to hear. He doesn't shy away from hard truths. People want to

:10:19. > :10:23.hear that stuff. How come he is so popular? If he's so bad how come he

:10:24. > :10:28.has such a following? It's in decline the more people get to know

:10:29. > :10:32.about him. You think a man who brags about sexual assault and in favour

:10:33. > :10:36.of carpet bombing innocent civilians, that is what happens when

:10:37. > :10:39.you car bet bomb, is fit to be president? If you listen to the

:10:40. > :10:44.other side of this, Paul Ryan, the Speak of the House he said women

:10:45. > :10:52.want to be championed and reveered. I do not want to be championed. I'm

:10:53. > :10:56.not sort of cause either. Revered is one step away from being embalmed in

:10:57. > :11:00.oil. I don't want to be any of those things. Women are stronger than

:11:01. > :11:07.people give them credit for we are not eternal victims. I wish you

:11:08. > :11:11.would stop portraying... I'm talking about carpet bombing. You are

:11:12. > :11:16.banging on about carpet bombing. He promised to throw Hillary Clinton in

:11:17. > :11:19.jail if he becomes president... A classic moment of the second debate.

:11:20. > :11:25.He wanted to ban Muslims from entering America. We recognise...

:11:26. > :11:30.Let me go through the list. Bop Basque rhetoric that people like to

:11:31. > :11:33.hear. It was his policy. He said a judge was unfit to rule on him

:11:34. > :11:38.because the judge had Mexican parents. He thought a reporter with

:11:39. > :11:42.disabilities was ripe for mockery. That was his standard impression of

:11:43. > :11:45.most people, to be fair. You created a list of all the things you

:11:46. > :11:48.dislike. No because they are all the things that question whether he is

:11:49. > :11:53.fit to be president of the United States? Is someone fit to be

:11:54. > :11:57.president of the United States if they don't control immigration? Is

:11:58. > :12:00.someone fit if they can't be honest about terror? Is someone fit if they

:12:01. > :12:05.can't stand up for the American people who want their jobs back? Is

:12:06. > :12:08.someone fit if they think it's OK to stand by their husband when he did

:12:09. > :12:13.all manner of lewd acts inside the White House? Is that OK? When you

:12:14. > :12:16.look at the list, the charge sheet against Mr Trump, the most

:12:17. > :12:21.remarkable thing is that Hillary Clinton's not walking this election?

:12:22. > :12:25.Yes. I I think Katie did a great service this evening. There is a

:12:26. > :12:28.lack of ability to understand in this country the degree of support

:12:29. > :12:32.that Trump has. You know, when you go to the United States, it isn't

:12:33. > :12:39.just sort of red necks and people. You find lots of ordinary people who

:12:40. > :12:41.are wanting to support Trump I think rather ludicrously convincing

:12:42. > :12:45.themselves that Trump is suitable for the job. I don't think he's

:12:46. > :12:48.suitable for the job. I think the British have to make some attempt of

:12:49. > :12:53.what is going on in the United States. Kennedy and Clinton, you

:12:54. > :12:56.know, both had very checkered sexual histories. I happen to think both of

:12:57. > :13:01.them were quite good presidents. The the American people will have to

:13:02. > :13:03.judge whether the tape is significant in terms of Trump's

:13:04. > :13:07.ability to be president. I do actually agree with your list of

:13:08. > :13:11.things. I think he's entirely unsuitable to be president but but I

:13:12. > :13:15.wouldn't put this tape at the top of my list of reasons why. Why is

:13:16. > :13:21.Hillary Clinton not doing better? Well, it's a two-horse race. I mean,

:13:22. > :13:24.there's not much else to go on. I think a lot of us watching the

:13:25. > :13:31.debate from this side, we can't believe that a country of 320

:13:32. > :13:37.million people have ended up with someone who in Trump who Robert de

:13:38. > :13:40.Niro this week call a bozo... He implied violence. He didn't do any

:13:41. > :13:44.favours. He wanted to hit Trump. That is not

:13:45. > :13:47.helpful. The way he talked about this guy as a national

:13:48. > :13:52.embarrassment. He is. When you watch that, you can dismiss the points he

:13:53. > :13:59.made about women and girls, but the truth is, it was said today that the

:14:00. > :14:03.mark of any decent society is how we look after girls and women in our

:14:04. > :14:07.society. To dismiss that is absolutely outrageous. I mean, the

:14:08. > :14:10.number of Republicans who have come out in recent days who are

:14:11. > :14:15.absolutely outraged at this guy is still their candidate. But many,

:14:16. > :14:20.many people are outraged that Hillary Clinton is the candidate of

:14:21. > :14:23.the Democratic Party. That includes many Democrats. That is because they

:14:24. > :14:27.look upon the Clintons, the pair of them, as people who have been

:14:28. > :14:33.involved in all sorts of what they think have been dodgy things that

:14:34. > :14:36.need a lot of explanation... Hillary Clinton, you know, her

:14:37. > :14:40.qualifications for the job. You know and Donald Trump... I think it will

:14:41. > :14:43.be a great thing. We sat around in parliament, your people and

:14:44. > :14:46.discussed banning Trump from the UK. I think your people will be very

:14:47. > :14:50.surprised by the fact that a lot of people are going to come out to

:14:51. > :14:53.vote. Those are shy Trumps, but they will come out to vote. I think the

:14:54. > :14:57.election will be a lot closer than people are making out. I think the

:14:58. > :15:01.British public under estimate the level of support he has with

:15:02. > :15:04.intelligent people in New York as well as working-class kind of

:15:05. > :15:07.America across the piece. I think they underestimate that. I think

:15:08. > :15:12.more particularly they under estimate the degree of reluctance to

:15:13. > :15:19.vote for Hillary. It's a very strong factor. Andrew quite rightly raises

:15:20. > :15:23.that question - how is it if this candidate, Trump is so monstrous

:15:24. > :15:27.that Hillary Clinton struggled so hard to get ahead of him Only the

:15:28. > :15:34.tape in the last week that has given her a clear lead. He has little time

:15:35. > :15:39.for Nato and the western alliance, he cosies up to Vladimir Putin and

:15:40. > :15:44.the Kremlin an enemy of free trade. In what way would that be good for

:15:45. > :15:48.Britain or Europe? Having someone who achieved things in the world

:15:49. > :15:51.outside of politics. Do we want a 30 year career politician, do we want

:15:52. > :15:57.someone else from the establishment. He has a track record of getting

:15:58. > :16:04.stuff Every business he done. Run has gone bust. The casinos went

:16:05. > :16:09.bust. The Trump University went bust - You are too dismissive. You have

:16:10. > :16:15.made your behind my up. I'm probing you to find out... How about the

:16:16. > :16:18.Clinton Foundation. If someone was here defending Mrs Clinton we will

:16:19. > :16:22.ask about that. We have someone defending Mr Trump. I put the

:16:23. > :16:28.contrary case. Nobody thought... The only thing we know about him is that

:16:29. > :16:33.he did a tax return in which he lost ?900 million. He used the tax system

:16:34. > :16:37.efficiently to offset future tax he would do what any normal person

:16:38. > :16:41.would do is not pay more tax than he was required to. I would do that

:16:42. > :16:45.here in the UK. I doo-doo that here in the UK. What is the evidence he

:16:46. > :16:48.gets things done? The evidence is he built a business empire that has

:16:49. > :16:51.been successful. Politicians don't achieve that. Hillary Clinton does

:16:52. > :16:55.not have a track record of achieving things that you would recognise. I

:16:56. > :17:00.think... Was she not a successful Secretary of State? I don't believe.

:17:01. > :17:07.What did she do wrong? Look at her email case, for example. He has

:17:08. > :17:14.continuously lied about that. Benghazi. She left Americans to die.

:17:15. > :17:17.I was in Chicago. You walk down the street the biggest building in town

:17:18. > :17:22.has Trump written in 50 foot high letters. He has franchised the name,

:17:23. > :17:25.Michael. That is not his building. All over America there are buildings

:17:26. > :17:36.covered in the name Trump. We immensely value the relationship

:17:37. > :17:39.we have with the United States. We have so many common ties. The idea

:17:40. > :17:47.this guy is down to the last two, it's terrifying. I don't dispute he

:17:48. > :17:52.has a Lot of... You and you sort What do you mean my sort? You sat

:17:53. > :17:55.around and discussed banning him, the new and potential future

:17:56. > :17:59.President of the United States. Do you not think we need an apology

:18:00. > :18:02.from your sort? I value the relationship we have with the

:18:03. > :18:09.Americans. It's terrifying this guy is even down to the last two. We'd

:18:10. > :18:16.have looked quite stupid if they'd have abandoned only one. You may...

:18:17. > :18:21.I said we'd have looked stupid if he had won? That is not an answer. One

:18:22. > :18:26.of the functions of the BBC ought to be to help the British people to

:18:27. > :18:30.understand how the American people have had Trump level pegging I think

:18:31. > :18:33.until a few weeks ago looking like he'd be the winner, maybe not just

:18:34. > :18:38.at the moment looking at that, but I take Katie's point that we don't

:18:39. > :18:43.know what the results will be. We helped the people understand before

:18:44. > :18:48.the summer recess. The BBC thought Remain would win. They were proved

:18:49. > :18:52.very wrong on that. I didn't realise the BBC had a collective view on

:18:53. > :18:57.these things. I think it was very clear that you did. You obviously

:18:58. > :19:03.didn't see my show. Thank you for joining us. My pleasure.

:19:04. > :19:05.Now it's late, Marmite and Blue Nun late.

:19:06. > :19:07.So put down your toast and crumpets and pour yourself another glass

:19:08. > :19:10.of Blue Nun, while stocks last, because waiting in the wings

:19:11. > :19:13.is singer songwriter, Katie Melua, here to talk about technical

:19:14. > :19:15.algorithms and fat finger errors in the UK currency market.

:19:16. > :19:18.And if you believe that, you'll believe just about anything

:19:19. > :19:20.on the fleecebook, the twitter bollocks, snapnumpty

:19:21. > :19:25.Now he's a mystery man, an all-action hero who can dive

:19:26. > :19:28.from a hard-Brexit cliff, swim through Boris Johnson

:19:29. > :19:30.infested waters, scale the Royal Yacht Britannia or jump

:19:31. > :19:34.on to an InterCity 225, mark 4 all while wearing his trademark

:19:35. > :19:38.polo neck and swigging a bottle of you-know-what.

:19:39. > :19:40.Unfortunately, Michael was too busy to film this week,

:19:41. > :19:43.so here's Miranda Green with her round-up of

:19:44. > :20:07.It's been a week of daring doom with the swashbuckling Brexiteer

:20:08. > :20:12.himself David Davis revealing or trying not to reveal

:20:13. > :20:16.what his plans are for extricating Britain from the EU.

:20:17. > :20:20.No running commentary, ministers say, but we did glean that

:20:21. > :20:22.DD thinks we have a bright future outside the European Union.

:20:23. > :20:27.I believe that when we've left the European Union,

:20:28. > :20:31.when we are once again in true control of our own affairs,

:20:32. > :20:34.we'll be in an even stronger position to confront the challenges

:20:35. > :20:38.The Government will build a global Britain that will trade around

:20:39. > :20:41.the world, build new alliances with other countries and deliver

:20:42. > :20:54.Parliament won't have much of a role in the negotiations.

:20:55. > :20:59.Theresa May's concession of the debate temporarily halted

:21:00. > :21:04.the rapid slide in the pound but there'll not be a vote.

:21:05. > :21:09.The unrepentent remainers need a hero to fight their corner and two

:21:10. > :21:12.former leading men got a chance to reprise their days of stardom.

:21:13. > :21:17.Miliband and Clegg both told DD there has to be a role

:21:18. > :21:24.Can he give us now, with a straight face,

:21:25. > :21:28.an answer to the question - where is the Government's mandate

:21:29. > :21:31.for its negotiations either from this House or the country?

:21:32. > :21:35.On the basis of what constitutional principle does he believe

:21:36. > :21:39.the Prime Minister can now arrogate to herself the exclusive right

:21:40. > :21:48.Commanding words from the matinee idols.

:21:49. > :21:52.Not enough though for David to promise any more

:21:53. > :21:56.Is that what he meant by take back control?

:21:57. > :22:07.I'll be riding as high as Theresa May's Tory

:22:08. > :22:13.17 points ahead of Labour wich would give them

:22:14. > :22:15.a 114-seat majority in the

:22:16. > :22:21.That's got to be worth a swig of Blue Nun.

:22:22. > :22:34.It appears there's no sign of swinging towards an early election.

:22:35. > :22:38.Jeremy Corbyn with an increased mandate for his second performance

:22:39. > :22:44.as Labour Leader swung into action at PMQs with a series of questions

:22:45. > :22:49.about Brexit, ignoring persistent mutterings about whether he's fit

:22:50. > :22:55.The pound is plummeting, business is worrying and

:22:56. > :23:01.The Prime Minister says she won't give a

:23:02. > :23:04.running commentary, but isn't it time the Government stopped running

:23:05. > :23:07.away from the looming threat to jobs and businesses in this country

:23:08. > :23:13.and the living standards of millions of people?

:23:14. > :23:17.With talk of a second referendum, the Prime Minister got

:23:18. > :23:22.The Shadow Foreign Secretary wants a second

:23:23. > :23:28.I have to say to her, I would have thought that Labour MPs

:23:29. > :23:33.You can ask the same question again, you still

:23:34. > :23:40.The SNP's heroine, Nicola Sturgeon, took

:23:41. > :23:44.advantage of the Brexit kerfuffle, she continues to stoke Scotland's

:23:45. > :23:53.I am determined that Scotland will have

:23:54. > :23:57.the ability to reconsider the question of independence and to do

:23:58. > :24:02.so before the UK leaves the EU if that is necessary to protect our

:24:03. > :24:12.I can confirm today that the independence referendum

:24:13. > :24:14.Bill will be published for consultation next

:24:15. > :24:18.Former International Development Secretary, Andrew

:24:19. > :24:21.Mitchell, also made a return this week,

:24:22. > :24:22.with an impassioned plea for a

:24:23. > :24:26.no-fly zone over Syria, spiralling civilian casualties prompted a call

:24:27. > :24:31.He reserved his strongest words for criticism

:24:32. > :24:35.We should single Russia out as a pariah.

:24:36. > :24:40.The Kremlin, like any bully, craves relevance and is winning, as

:24:41. > :24:46.Also pulling no punches was the Foreign Secretary, Boris Johnson.

:24:47. > :24:49.If Russia continues in its current path,

:24:50. > :24:52.then I believe that great

:24:53. > :24:56.country is in danger of becoming a pariah nation.

:24:57. > :24:59.And if President Putin's strategy is to restore the

:25:00. > :25:03.greatness and the glory of Russia, then I believe he risks seeing his

:25:04. > :25:09.ambition turn to ashes in the face of international contempt for what

:25:10. > :25:14.While Boris is pitting the great powers against

:25:15. > :25:17.one another, in another part of Westminster,

:25:18. > :25:34.The MPs are arguing for a new Royal Yacht, a symbol of

:25:35. > :25:36.Britain's imperial power as the best way to woo

:25:37. > :25:38.other nations during the

:25:39. > :25:44.Who needs diplomacy if you can parachute in on a yacht to

:25:45. > :25:49.reflect the glory of a newly Brexited nation?

:25:50. > :25:51.Brexit makes the building of a new Royal Yacht, not a

:25:52. > :25:56.Rule Britannia, Britannia rules the waves, many,

:25:57. > :26:04.Would you not agree with me, it might give true respect to

:26:05. > :26:07.Royal Britannia if she describes her not as it, but as she.

:26:08. > :26:15.This Brexit shenanigans will run and oneth run.

:26:16. > :26:19.We are going to need our treats, that's if the pound in our

:26:20. > :26:29.And all because the gentleman loves Blue Nun.

:26:30. > :26:38.Miranda Green there, failing to give the Milk Tray Man

:26:39. > :26:41.a run for his money at The Cape Adventure

:26:42. > :26:51.While we were talking about Donald Trump, the news has broken in

:26:52. > :26:57.America that Hillary Clinton's submitted to a federal judge answers

:26:58. > :27:01.to 20 questions involving the use of her e-mail server and she's been

:27:02. > :27:08.forced to answer by this federal judge under threat of perjury if she

:27:09. > :27:13.makes any mistakes. On a number of occasions, she's said she has no

:27:14. > :27:16.recollection she'd be warned it would be wrong to use this e-mail

:27:17. > :27:22.server. Still more things to happen in this election. Michael, would it

:27:23. > :27:29.be foolish for the Government... Oh, yes. Would it be foolish to ask this

:27:30. > :27:33.Government to show its hand just to set out its general objectives as it

:27:34. > :27:41.triggers Article 50? I think it's set out what is probably a statement

:27:42. > :27:45.of the obvious which is that if the Ieuan insists on freedom of

:27:46. > :27:50.movement, we can't be a member of the single market -- European Union.

:27:51. > :27:53.If the Government thinks it implicit in the referendum result that laws

:27:54. > :27:59.made in Parliament be sovereign, that is to say that they do not

:28:00. > :28:02.recognise any superior laws, nor be subject to laws by European

:28:03. > :28:06.judgments, that also implies you can't be in the single market. So

:28:07. > :28:09.that much has become clear. I think probably there's not much more that

:28:10. > :28:14.you can say at the moment. Should Parliament have the right to have a

:28:15. > :28:19.say to help determine the negotiating position? What is

:28:20. > :28:22.absolutely key is that for Labour and for the Conservatives and

:28:23. > :28:28.everyone else, Brexit does have to mean Brexit so all of us do have to

:28:29. > :28:32.respect the will of the people in that referendum, there can be no

:28:33. > :28:36.wriggling out of it by the political establishment. But people voted to

:28:37. > :28:39.come out of the European Union but it's absolutely right and critical

:28:40. > :28:43.the and central to our democracy that Parliament is able to

:28:44. > :28:49.scrutinise and make a decision on the terms by which we go out. Now, I

:28:50. > :28:55.find it ironic that if you look at Davis and Fox and Johnson, one of

:28:56. > :28:59.the biggest arguments they deployed in the referendum campaign was about

:29:00. > :29:02.getting control back and about the importance of Parliamentary

:29:03. > :29:07.sovereignty at Westminster. Now they are the three loudest voices to say

:29:08. > :29:11.that Parliament should have no say. Let me unbundle that a bit to be

:29:12. > :29:14.clear what you are saying. Should Parliament approve the bargaining

:29:15. > :29:21.position of the Government? I think we need to be clear about the terms.

:29:22. > :29:29.There needs to be a parentsry vote about that. So it should approve --

:29:30. > :29:34.a Parliamentary vote. In my constituency, 670% they voted to

:29:35. > :29:38.come out -- 70%. One of the principal reasons was that they felt

:29:39. > :29:41.that for ordinary workers, terms and conditions and pay had been driven

:29:42. > :29:45.down because of our membership with the European Union so it would be

:29:46. > :29:49.inconsistent with the views that they expressed in the referendum if

:29:50. > :29:55.we were to have a Brexit that was a kind of bonfire of workers' rights.

:29:56. > :30:00.Critical issues. Sure, but that could come from Parliament approving

:30:01. > :30:05.the deal when it's finally done. Should Parliament have that power as

:30:06. > :30:09.well? We are going to get the Reform Act first. That is not to do with

:30:10. > :30:12.the deal? That will hopefully be enshrining in law some of the deals

:30:13. > :30:16.we have at the moment. At the moment it's obvious from day one that the

:30:17. > :30:20.Government either didn't expect to lose that referendum but they

:30:21. > :30:23.certainly have no plan. I know all that, we have been through all that,

:30:24. > :30:27.Michael... That's still the case now. That is fine but what I'm

:30:28. > :30:30.trying to establish is two things and I haven't had clear answers,

:30:31. > :30:34.should Parliament approve the negotiating strategy of the

:30:35. > :30:40.Government? Yes, I think we should prove the terms of it. And should

:30:41. > :30:42.Parliament then if and when the deal is done, should it then vote on the

:30:43. > :30:49.deal? I don't know if we would vote on the

:30:50. > :30:52.final deal or before. We have to find a process by which Parliament

:30:53. > :30:56.can agree we will determine, if you like, the terms of that Brexit.

:30:57. > :31:00.There is no suggestion from the Government at the moment there is

:31:01. > :31:03.going to be no say from Parliament. That's absolutely intolerable. You

:31:04. > :31:07.are shaking your head there. Why shouldn't Parliament have a say in

:31:08. > :31:10.these things I'm certainly not saying that. I don't see how

:31:11. > :31:15.Parliament could approve the terms. Once you said, these are the things

:31:16. > :31:20.we aim to achieve you would have told those negotiating with you the

:31:21. > :31:24.things they would be... That they would be encouraged to deny you. You

:31:25. > :31:28.would be setting out your red lines, the things that are important to

:31:29. > :31:33.you, offering a red rag to those you have to negotiate with. When it's

:31:34. > :31:37.all done... Is that a blank cheque though It must be voted on by

:31:38. > :31:42.Parliament. Then Parliament will have to take a very, important

:31:43. > :31:45.decision. Because there is a majority in the Parliament not to

:31:46. > :31:48.leave the European Union. Parliament will have to decide in

:31:49. > :31:52.two-and-a-half years' time whether it's going to vote with the way that

:31:53. > :31:55.the majority in Parliament feels, which is to stop us leaving the

:31:56. > :32:00.European Union, in contradiction of what the people have said, in

:32:01. > :32:04.contradiction of what Parliament's previous vote to grant the people a

:32:05. > :32:07.referendum. That would be a moment mouse thing if Parliament decided to

:32:08. > :32:12.try to pull back on Brexit in two-and-a-half years' time. If the

:32:13. > :32:15.Government does a deal and brings it forward to Parliament, and

:32:16. > :32:18.Parliament rejects it, that would be a constitutional crisis, wouldn't

:32:19. > :32:22.it? The Government would have to go to the country to resolve it? I

:32:23. > :32:28.don't accept Michael's premise, which is that simply because... I

:32:29. > :32:31.campaigned for remain. I thought it was in the best interests of my

:32:32. > :32:36.constituents and the country. I have to accept we have lost that

:32:37. > :32:41.argument. It doesn't matter what I think. The truth is I'm duty-bound

:32:42. > :32:45.now to deliver the verdict of my constituents and the people across

:32:46. > :32:51.the country. They voted to come out. That's not an issue of negotiation.

:32:52. > :32:58.There are huge issues of concern in my constituency elsewhere about the

:32:59. > :33:01.terms. Syria. All this talk doing the rounds of a no-fly zone and the

:33:02. > :33:06.rest of it. Can we agree it's not going to happen It's talk. It's

:33:07. > :33:09.pathetic. There would have been a moment before the aerial bombardment

:33:10. > :33:12.began, particularly before the aerial bombardment began involving

:33:13. > :33:15.the Russians, when be you could have declared a no-fly zone. Then the

:33:16. > :33:21.Russians would have been in a position of having to decide whether

:33:22. > :33:23.they wanted to defy it and risk causing an international

:33:24. > :33:30.catastrophe. Now the boot is on other foot. If we declare the no-fly

:33:31. > :33:33.zone we are risking causing the international catastrophe for that

:33:34. > :33:37.reason it won't happen. Do you agree with that, Michael? I understand the

:33:38. > :33:40.concerns about some of the possibility consequences of further

:33:41. > :33:50.military action, the no-fly zone, the no bomb zone. Look, all of us

:33:51. > :33:53.can agree we want to get the fire going, corridors open, a resolute

:33:54. > :33:56.approach against the Russians. I think think other options need to at

:33:57. > :33:59.least be on the table and considered. Clearly, that's what

:34:00. > :34:03.President Obama is doing. They have indicated that on Friday. Boris

:34:04. > :34:05.Johnson let the cat out of the bag today by saying that the British

:34:06. > :34:10.Government was also looking at the options. What are the other options?

:34:11. > :34:16.In terms of the no-fly zone or a no bomb zone. Michael is right... There

:34:17. > :34:20.won't be a no-fly zone. The kwons kwenss are not straight-forward or

:34:21. > :34:24.easy. We have to be honest, the con consequences of inaction are being

:34:25. > :34:28.played out on our screens every day Wen we see those kids dragged out of

:34:29. > :34:33.rubble. We know the problem. If you don't have a no-fly zone and you

:34:34. > :34:40.haven't got any other ideas, what do you do? The situation we are in is -

:34:41. > :34:45.would have been unimaginable a few years ago. Here are the Russians

:34:46. > :34:50.killing children, killing people on the edge of Europe and Nato and the

:34:51. > :34:54.United States and Britain and the European Union have nothing that

:34:55. > :34:58.they can do about it. Only only now are they actually beginning to say

:34:59. > :35:01.anything about it. And it's not even stirred the public. I thought that

:35:02. > :35:06.was perhaps Boris Johnson's point. If this was Americans bombing

:35:07. > :35:11.Aleppo, Grosvenor Square would be full of protesters. Because it's the

:35:12. > :35:18.the Russians... There would be riots. Because it's Russians, the

:35:19. > :35:20.public don't seem to be stirped. There aren't easy options. The

:35:21. > :35:23.Americans are right to consider what, if any, options are available.

:35:24. > :35:28.I think the British Government is as well. At the current stage of the

:35:29. > :35:34.American electoral cycle, the Americans are going to do nothing.

:35:35. > :35:38.That's how it works. Mr Obama has never been engaged in the Middle

:35:39. > :35:41.East in the fist place. He won't get engaged in his last two months. To

:35:42. > :35:46.make one other point about Donald Trump. It's extraordinary, here is a

:35:47. > :35:52.man running on a ticket of making America great again. At a time when

:35:53. > :35:54.Russia is bombing on the edge of Europe and mvurdering civilians and

:35:55. > :35:57.he has nothing to say about it. Indeed. Fascinating. And depressing.

:35:58. > :36:01.Yep. Now, Russian viewers,

:36:02. > :36:05.why are you still watching? I know why, so you can stop

:36:06. > :36:09.bugging our phones, hacking our emails and invading

:36:10. > :36:12.defenceless nations, just for a few minutes,

:36:13. > :36:15.as we put the USSR in the spotlight. I don't think that Russia today can

:36:16. > :36:29.be compared with the Soviet Union. I don't think it's entirely right

:36:30. > :36:31.to talk about a new... I think it's right to talk

:36:32. > :36:34.about a new Cold War. Russia positioned nuclear capable

:36:35. > :36:39.missiles in its westernmost region this week or are they trying to rile

:36:40. > :36:42.Nato and revive Cold War politics? Civil servants fire red under

:36:43. > :36:45.the bed at Number Ten. They've reportedly banned

:36:46. > :36:48.Smartwatches from Cabinet meetings fearing the Kremlin might

:36:49. > :36:52.use them to eavesdrop, but is the real Red

:36:53. > :36:54.scare across the pond? The Kremlin, meaning Putin

:36:55. > :36:57.and the Russian government, are directing the attacks,

:36:58. > :36:59.the hacking, on American accounts The Clinton camp has accused Russia

:37:00. > :37:11.of helping Donald Trump's presidential campaign

:37:12. > :37:15.by hacking her emails. Russian Foreign Minister,

:37:16. > :37:17.Sergei Lavrov, confirmed the cooling of relations

:37:18. > :37:23.in bolshy fashion this week. There are so many processes

:37:24. > :37:25.around your presidential campaign on both sides that I'd prefer not

:37:26. > :37:28.to comment about this. Will frosty rhetoric on both sides

:37:29. > :37:32.of the Iron Curtain result Popstar Katie Melua spent her

:37:33. > :37:44.childhood in Georgia and returned Should we finally shut up

:37:45. > :38:03.about the Cold War and celebrate That was Katie there. She is with us

:38:04. > :38:10.now. Welcome back to the programme. Thanks for having me. You have gone

:38:11. > :38:15.back to Georgia roots with your new single. Do you remember your time in

:38:16. > :38:21.the USSR? Well, I don't remember the actual USSR. I remember mainly after

:38:22. > :38:26.the USSR fell down. Right. The sort of post-Georgia, after the break

:38:27. > :38:30.down of the Soviet Union. And, it was an interesting time. Yeah.

:38:31. > :38:37.Because, basically, the country's infrastructure came to a complete

:38:38. > :38:42.standstill. Food was rationed, hospitals, schools, everything was

:38:43. > :38:47.just shut down. Like, I remember I went to the first two years of

:38:48. > :38:54.school and winter time it was closed. We went in in September and

:38:55. > :38:59.had to leave in November and not go back to March. Were people overall

:39:00. > :39:04.glad it had broken down or were they worried? Well, no, because they had

:39:05. > :39:09.an struck. That worked? Yeah, they had jobs. I was chatting to my mum

:39:10. > :39:13.actually on my last flight to Georgia, I was saying - you know,

:39:14. > :39:17.she was telling me about this job she had. She had an interesting

:39:18. > :39:23.relationship to money. They didn't consider it very important. She said

:39:24. > :39:27.she used to work at this place and she'd get paid once a month. She'd

:39:28. > :39:32.give the money to whatever boy was going to take her to a coffee shop.

:39:33. > :39:37.I was like... She was like, there was no sense of money being very

:39:38. > :39:44.precious. So that was interesting. At least they had the

:39:45. > :39:47.infrastructure. Georgia has a distinctive language and culture

:39:48. > :39:54.from the Russian one, do you think... Is there a hankering back

:39:55. > :39:59.in Russia these days for the USSR? In Russia itself? In Russia itself?

:40:00. > :40:04.Gosh, I wouldn't be able to tell you, to be honest. I assume there

:40:05. > :40:09.isn't in Georgia? I don't know. I think every country has this obsess

:40:10. > :40:15.with nostalgia. A sense of the past is better. We have that here too,

:40:16. > :40:22.don't we? At times. We have it like - obsession. We ref ran da. We have

:40:23. > :40:29.it with music. In that sense, yes, but not in any real sense. We are

:40:30. > :40:35.starting to see in some ways Mr Putin like a Soviet leader. Not in

:40:36. > :40:42.terms of world domination or world communism, but certainly in terms of

:40:43. > :40:51.reestablishing a Russian sphere of influence around the Mother Russia.

:40:52. > :40:56.Yeah. We have seen it in Ukraine, Crimea ya and the warm water port in

:40:57. > :41:00.Syria. There is a sense of a resurgent Russia again? He comes

:41:01. > :41:07.across pretty frightening in the press and media. I'd say so. I'm

:41:08. > :41:11.always a bit dubious about how things come across in the media

:41:12. > :41:15.because I think what works on news stories and what people want to read

:41:16. > :41:20.are what make as goods story. That tends to be things that are

:41:21. > :41:23.dramatic, horrifying, shocking or fascinating or odd. Do you think

:41:24. > :41:27.ordinary people want Russia to be great again, whatever that might

:41:28. > :41:30.mean? Of course. Russians, yeah, of course. They are proud. Everyone

:41:31. > :41:35.wants their country to be great. Absolutely whachl I'm most

:41:36. > :41:41.interested in is also realising that these countries, we all know them in

:41:42. > :41:46.the West as having these very difficult and complex political

:41:47. > :41:53.histories. You know, they are shaded in a negative light. Russia has had

:41:54. > :42:02.some of the most incredible cultural figures. Incredible composers and

:42:03. > :42:10.great writers. I would like to celebrate that. You wonder whether

:42:11. > :42:15.we handled the post-USSR well to encourage a different Russia, but in

:42:16. > :42:19.a sense it's Back To The Future. It was the burden of their own history

:42:20. > :42:28.as much as anything. That famous phrase of the swapping. . They went

:42:29. > :42:33.from the sprawling empire of the Tzars to the communists for so many

:42:34. > :42:38.years. I mean, I think it was always going to be difficult to debt get...

:42:39. > :42:44.To move to a liberal democracy. Just like that. Maybe we could have done

:42:45. > :42:51.more to help them. Too late now. What are you up to, what are you

:42:52. > :43:01.doing these days? I went back to Georgia to work with a local choir

:43:02. > :43:06.there. We have made a record. It's a big deal to us because living in the

:43:07. > :43:12.UK and having a chance to be in the music business here, which really

:43:13. > :43:17.rules the world, I love the fact that Dylan got the Nobel Prize

:43:18. > :43:22.today, that's fannic. Music I believe rules the world. I've meed a

:43:23. > :43:23.new album. Well done. Thanks for sharing some time with us tonight.

:43:24. > :43:29.Thank you. -- made. That's your lot for tonight folks,

:43:30. > :43:32.but not for us because it's Pussy Galore night at Lou Lous

:43:33. > :43:35.and Michael can't wait to exchange What he has to say about Wagner

:43:36. > :43:39.and the "Ring Cycle" is pretty edgy. But we leave you tonight

:43:40. > :43:42.with the latest episode Nighty night, don't let

:43:43. > :43:50.the silver-backed gorrilla bite. I thought he was like a bill

:43:51. > :43:56.silver-back gorilla prowling the studio. A group of gorillas that

:43:57. > :43:59.lives here has been studied by scientists for several years and has

:44:00. > :44:03.become sufficiently accustomed to human beings to allow you to

:44:04. > :44:08.approach quite close. But you have to behave properly. You musn't

:44:09. > :44:11.conceal yourself too well. If you suddenly appear close to them and

:44:12. > :44:17.took them by surprise, then they would almost certainly charge.

:44:18. > :44:23.Though they may play games, you don't forget that these are the

:44:24. > :44:26.rules of the forest and the great silver-back is King of the whole

:44:27. > :44:34.group. Help's so enormously strong that he need fear nothing except a

:44:35. > :44:41.man armed with a spear or a gun. -- he's.

:44:42. > :44:51.There's no pulse. Adrenaline, please.