:00:09. > :00:17.Tonight, let's hear it for the This Week Cheerleading champions
:00:18. > :00:23.# Mickey you're so fine. # You're so fine you blow my mind...
:00:24. > :00:31.# Who loves Trump, you or me? Eugh,
:00:32. > :00:35.not us. They may not. The controversial commentator, Katie
:00:36. > :00:42.Hopkins does. Although Trump is not perfect, but I'd rather be ruled by
:00:43. > :00:50.him than Clinton. 1, 2, 3, 4, Brexit's knocking at your door. A
:00:51. > :00:54.smile on your lips, spirit in your heart, Miranda is ready to start.
:00:55. > :00:57.Some Tories have been cheer leading for a hard Brexit this week. It's
:00:58. > :01:07.dominated events. Not everyone is happen. 2, 4, 6, 8, who still
:01:08. > :01:12.appreciates? The USSR. We take Katie Mel with a back to her roots.
:01:13. > :01:19.Relations are get cold in the This Week studio. Who has the Blue Nun.
:01:20. > :01:26.We are proud, we like to cheer the crowd. Bring it on This week!
:01:27. > :01:31.Welcome to This Week, and I start with some grave news.
:01:32. > :01:35.At 0800 hours this morning, the editor of this programme
:01:36. > :01:38.was summoned by the Director-General of the BBC to his luxury yacht,
:01:39. > :01:46.moored on the Thames, where he was informed that,
:01:47. > :01:49.because of the plummeting value of the pound, the BBC could no
:01:50. > :01:51.longer afford This Week's ballooning bill for Blue Nun.
:01:52. > :01:53.Henceforth, once existing stocks of the German Riesling
:01:54. > :01:56.were depleted, we'd have to make do with a weekly crate of Buckfast
:01:57. > :01:58.or something called Old Portillo's Home Brew,
:01:59. > :02:05.Well, shock does not begin to describe our reaction
:02:06. > :02:08.The editor has already checked herself into a clinic.
:02:09. > :02:21.I'm sure you'll agree it rather puts the row over the price
:02:22. > :02:23.of Marmite, who cares about that, into perspective,
:02:24. > :02:28.Reports are reaching us that rioting has broken out in certain German
:02:29. > :02:30.vineyards in protest at the potential loss of jobs
:02:31. > :02:32.and I understand that the German Chancellor is, as I speak,
:02:33. > :02:36.on the phone to the Prime Minister urging her to force the BBC
:02:37. > :02:38.to reconsider on the basis that our consumption of Blue Nun
:02:39. > :02:42.is the main reason Germany runs such a huge trading surplus with the UK.
:02:43. > :02:46.Who could have imagined Brexit would lead to this?
:02:47. > :02:49.But then who would have thought that a bunch of Remainers,
:02:50. > :02:52.while claiming unctiously to respect the decision on June 23rd,
:02:53. > :02:55.would do all they can to undermine the Brexit process.
:02:56. > :02:58.Or that a bunch of Leavers, who won with a vainglorious promise
:02:59. > :03:01.to restore Parliamentary sovereignty, now don't want
:03:02. > :03:04.Parliament to have anything to do with the Brexit process.
:03:05. > :03:10.And, speaking of strange, I'm joined on the sofa tonight
:03:11. > :03:14.by two guests who have long been a stranger to sobriety.
:03:15. > :03:17.Think of them as the Boris Yeltsin and Winston Churchill of late night
:03:18. > :03:25.Michael #sadmanonatrain Portillo and Michael
:03:26. > :03:41.Moment of the week? Bob Dylan was named Nobel Laureate. Indeed. How
:03:42. > :03:48.many roads can a man walk down before... Oh, my gosh... That's
:03:49. > :03:52.stuck in this in your mind. Before he knows... He got through to you as
:03:53. > :03:58.a kid, didn't he? It's difficult to man now that in the early 1960s in
:03:59. > :04:04.the United States there was segregation in schools, in colleges
:04:05. > :04:08.on buses, on trains, entrances to public buildings and that song,
:04:09. > :04:13.Blowing in the Wind, was one of the two things, along with the speeches
:04:14. > :04:17.of Dr Martin Luther King that brought this terrible state of
:04:18. > :04:20.affairs to world prominence, to understanding around the world and
:04:21. > :04:25.made an enormous difference. I think because his words were so effective
:04:26. > :04:28.in changing what happened in the United States, that is why he
:04:29. > :04:32.deserves to be a Nobel Laureate today. You are in favour? I'm in
:04:33. > :04:36.favour. I knew you would get there in the end! You can take your time.
:04:37. > :04:41.Obviously, I'm going to live forever 678 Your moment of the week My
:04:42. > :04:45.moment of the week happened today in the chamber of the House of Commons.
:04:46. > :04:50.There was a debate, backbench business debate, on... Around the
:04:51. > :04:55.awareness week this week for bereaved parents who have lost
:04:56. > :04:59.babies. There was an amazing speech that took everyone by surprise in
:05:00. > :05:03.the chamber. I wasn't in the chamber, I watched it afterwards on
:05:04. > :05:07.television by a Lewisham MP who stood up in the House of Commons.
:05:08. > :05:12.She has been a friend of mine for 20 years. I'd no idea about this,
:05:13. > :05:16.neither did most of her friends. She gave an incredibly powerful, moving,
:05:17. > :05:20.heartbreaking speech where she talked about how a number of years
:05:21. > :05:25.ago she had had a baby who had only lived for five days. She told this
:05:26. > :05:30.story and people were in floods of tears in the House. Now, incredibly
:05:31. > :05:34.brave of her to do that and, you know, this is about raising
:05:35. > :05:39.awareness. It was about helping other bereaved parents to come to
:05:40. > :05:44.terms with this if they can possibly can can and talk about improving
:05:45. > :05:48.services those people get. The House of Commons gets bad press, often,
:05:49. > :05:51.sometimes deservedly so, occasionally you see moments like
:05:52. > :05:56.that. I think she made a real difference today. It was incredibly
:05:57. > :05:57.brave speech. You brought it more attention by making it your moment
:05:58. > :06:03.tonight. Now to Donald Trump,
:06:04. > :06:05.the gift that keeps on giving, unless of course you're female
:06:06. > :06:07.and he fancies you, and you're within easy reach,
:06:08. > :06:10.or stuck in a locker room with him. The wannabe American president has
:06:11. > :06:13.had a bad week after leaked tapes of lewd comments about women
:06:14. > :06:16.and a string of accusations that Heading south in the polls,
:06:17. > :06:22.Mr Trump is down, but not yet out. We turned to a champion
:06:23. > :06:32.of the underdog, even Never one to shy away
:06:33. > :06:35.from controversy, Katie Hopkins I'm not ashamed to say that
:06:36. > :06:55.I love Donald Trump. I love his bombastic
:06:56. > :06:57.rhetoric, his charisma The presidential hopeful
:06:58. > :06:59.understands the fears He's sick of politicians saying one
:07:00. > :07:03.thing and doing another. People have had enough
:07:04. > :07:05.of the establishment. And one thing they do not want
:07:06. > :07:11.is another four years of liberal politics,
:07:12. > :07:13.losing control of immigration, the Supreme Court and indeed
:07:14. > :07:19.the second amendment. Donald Trump shares people's
:07:20. > :07:22.fears of terrorism. Of course his ban on Muslims
:07:23. > :07:26.was never going to work. But he does understand that
:07:27. > :07:30.a love-in and promoting multi-culturalism right now is not
:07:31. > :07:37.what people want to hear. Donald Trump's had
:07:38. > :07:39.a tough few weeks. His comments were lewd and crude
:07:40. > :07:47.but, you know, I think we need But frankly, what people do
:07:48. > :07:57.in private is none of my business It would be a cruel irony
:07:58. > :08:02.if the very thing that sees Trump lose the White House is the fact
:08:03. > :08:05.that he has human flaws, And frankly, I'd rather deal
:08:06. > :08:13.with pussy-gate than Hillary Thanks there to the cheerleaders
:08:14. > :08:30.from Zoo Riot London who, just like the BBC, are impartial
:08:31. > :08:44.on the outcome of the American You say Donald Trump is lewd and
:08:45. > :08:47.crude, you say what people do in private is their own business. He
:08:48. > :08:51.bragged about sexually afaulting women. It's not a private matter,
:08:52. > :08:56.it's not lewd and crude, it's criminal? It's a conversation he had
:08:57. > :09:00.in private. I think many of us have similar conversations in private and
:09:01. > :09:05.I'm surprised that we are going on and on about this... Bragging about
:09:06. > :09:09.sexual assault? I'm surprised we're not talking about things that
:09:10. > :09:14.actually matter to people when they are voting like jobs... Doesn't that
:09:15. > :09:17.matter that we need to know whether the Presidential candidate is the
:09:18. > :09:20.kind of person that brags about sexual assault, doesn't that matter
:09:21. > :09:24.to you? I think what matters more is that he still has a tremendous
:09:25. > :09:28.amount of support and what I see here in the UK... Less than he had?
:09:29. > :09:32.There is barely any recognition of the level of support that he has. I
:09:33. > :09:35.think we are going to see a lot of voters coming out to vote for Trump
:09:36. > :09:40.just because the election is so polarised this time. What makes
:09:41. > :09:44.Trump fit to be president? He says he would carpet bomb areas
:09:45. > :09:50.controlled by Isis. That hes a a war crime. He says he would torture
:09:51. > :09:54.terrorists. That's illegal. He says that Isis will take over America if
:09:55. > :10:00.Hillary Clinton wins the White House. That's bonkers. So what makes
:10:01. > :10:03.him fit to be president? In my personal opinion, I think he is
:10:04. > :10:07.saying the sort of things people now want to hear. He's talking about
:10:08. > :10:11.tough controls on immigration. Which people want to hear. I didn't
:10:12. > :10:14.mention that. He is talking about sorting out terrorism which people
:10:15. > :10:18.want to hear. He doesn't shy away from hard truths. People want to
:10:19. > :10:23.hear that stuff. How come he is so popular? If he's so bad how come he
:10:24. > :10:28.has such a following? It's in decline the more people get to know
:10:29. > :10:32.about him. You think a man who brags about sexual assault and in favour
:10:33. > :10:36.of carpet bombing innocent civilians, that is what happens when
:10:37. > :10:39.you car bet bomb, is fit to be president? If you listen to the
:10:40. > :10:44.other side of this, Paul Ryan, the Speak of the House he said women
:10:45. > :10:52.want to be championed and reveered. I do not want to be championed. I'm
:10:53. > :10:56.not sort of cause either. Revered is one step away from being embalmed in
:10:57. > :11:00.oil. I don't want to be any of those things. Women are stronger than
:11:01. > :11:07.people give them credit for we are not eternal victims. I wish you
:11:08. > :11:11.would stop portraying... I'm talking about carpet bombing. You are
:11:12. > :11:16.banging on about carpet bombing. He promised to throw Hillary Clinton in
:11:17. > :11:19.jail if he becomes president... A classic moment of the second debate.
:11:20. > :11:25.He wanted to ban Muslims from entering America. We recognise...
:11:26. > :11:30.Let me go through the list. Bop Basque rhetoric that people like to
:11:31. > :11:33.hear. It was his policy. He said a judge was unfit to rule on him
:11:34. > :11:38.because the judge had Mexican parents. He thought a reporter with
:11:39. > :11:42.disabilities was ripe for mockery. That was his standard impression of
:11:43. > :11:45.most people, to be fair. You created a list of all the things you
:11:46. > :11:48.dislike. No because they are all the things that question whether he is
:11:49. > :11:53.fit to be president of the United States? Is someone fit to be
:11:54. > :11:57.president of the United States if they don't control immigration? Is
:11:58. > :12:00.someone fit if they can't be honest about terror? Is someone fit if they
:12:01. > :12:05.can't stand up for the American people who want their jobs back? Is
:12:06. > :12:08.someone fit if they think it's OK to stand by their husband when he did
:12:09. > :12:13.all manner of lewd acts inside the White House? Is that OK? When you
:12:14. > :12:16.look at the list, the charge sheet against Mr Trump, the most
:12:17. > :12:21.remarkable thing is that Hillary Clinton's not walking this election?
:12:22. > :12:25.Yes. I I think Katie did a great service this evening. There is a
:12:26. > :12:28.lack of ability to understand in this country the degree of support
:12:29. > :12:32.that Trump has. You know, when you go to the United States, it isn't
:12:33. > :12:39.just sort of red necks and people. You find lots of ordinary people who
:12:40. > :12:41.are wanting to support Trump I think rather ludicrously convincing
:12:42. > :12:45.themselves that Trump is suitable for the job. I don't think he's
:12:46. > :12:48.suitable for the job. I think the British have to make some attempt of
:12:49. > :12:53.what is going on in the United States. Kennedy and Clinton, you
:12:54. > :12:56.know, both had very checkered sexual histories. I happen to think both of
:12:57. > :13:01.them were quite good presidents. The the American people will have to
:13:02. > :13:03.judge whether the tape is significant in terms of Trump's
:13:04. > :13:07.ability to be president. I do actually agree with your list of
:13:08. > :13:11.things. I think he's entirely unsuitable to be president but but I
:13:12. > :13:15.wouldn't put this tape at the top of my list of reasons why. Why is
:13:16. > :13:21.Hillary Clinton not doing better? Well, it's a two-horse race. I mean,
:13:22. > :13:24.there's not much else to go on. I think a lot of us watching the
:13:25. > :13:31.debate from this side, we can't believe that a country of 320
:13:32. > :13:37.million people have ended up with someone who in Trump who Robert de
:13:38. > :13:40.Niro this week call a bozo... He implied violence. He didn't do any
:13:41. > :13:44.favours. He wanted to hit Trump. That is not
:13:45. > :13:47.helpful. The way he talked about this guy as a national
:13:48. > :13:52.embarrassment. He is. When you watch that, you can dismiss the points he
:13:53. > :13:59.made about women and girls, but the truth is, it was said today that the
:14:00. > :14:03.mark of any decent society is how we look after girls and women in our
:14:04. > :14:07.society. To dismiss that is absolutely outrageous. I mean, the
:14:08. > :14:10.number of Republicans who have come out in recent days who are
:14:11. > :14:15.absolutely outraged at this guy is still their candidate. But many,
:14:16. > :14:20.many people are outraged that Hillary Clinton is the candidate of
:14:21. > :14:23.the Democratic Party. That includes many Democrats. That is because they
:14:24. > :14:27.look upon the Clintons, the pair of them, as people who have been
:14:28. > :14:33.involved in all sorts of what they think have been dodgy things that
:14:34. > :14:36.need a lot of explanation... Hillary Clinton, you know, her
:14:37. > :14:40.qualifications for the job. You know and Donald Trump... I think it will
:14:41. > :14:43.be a great thing. We sat around in parliament, your people and
:14:44. > :14:46.discussed banning Trump from the UK. I think your people will be very
:14:47. > :14:50.surprised by the fact that a lot of people are going to come out to
:14:51. > :14:53.vote. Those are shy Trumps, but they will come out to vote. I think the
:14:54. > :14:57.election will be a lot closer than people are making out. I think the
:14:58. > :15:01.British public under estimate the level of support he has with
:15:02. > :15:04.intelligent people in New York as well as working-class kind of
:15:05. > :15:07.America across the piece. I think they underestimate that. I think
:15:08. > :15:12.more particularly they under estimate the degree of reluctance to
:15:13. > :15:19.vote for Hillary. It's a very strong factor. Andrew quite rightly raises
:15:20. > :15:23.that question - how is it if this candidate, Trump is so monstrous
:15:24. > :15:27.that Hillary Clinton struggled so hard to get ahead of him Only the
:15:28. > :15:34.tape in the last week that has given her a clear lead. He has little time
:15:35. > :15:39.for Nato and the western alliance, he cosies up to Vladimir Putin and
:15:40. > :15:44.the Kremlin an enemy of free trade. In what way would that be good for
:15:45. > :15:48.Britain or Europe? Having someone who achieved things in the world
:15:49. > :15:51.outside of politics. Do we want a 30 year career politician, do we want
:15:52. > :15:57.someone else from the establishment. He has a track record of getting
:15:58. > :16:04.stuff Every business he done. Run has gone bust. The casinos went
:16:05. > :16:09.bust. The Trump University went bust - You are too dismissive. You have
:16:10. > :16:15.made your behind my up. I'm probing you to find out... How about the
:16:16. > :16:18.Clinton Foundation. If someone was here defending Mrs Clinton we will
:16:19. > :16:22.ask about that. We have someone defending Mr Trump. I put the
:16:23. > :16:28.contrary case. Nobody thought... The only thing we know about him is that
:16:29. > :16:33.he did a tax return in which he lost ?900 million. He used the tax system
:16:34. > :16:37.efficiently to offset future tax he would do what any normal person
:16:38. > :16:41.would do is not pay more tax than he was required to. I would do that
:16:42. > :16:45.here in the UK. I doo-doo that here in the UK. What is the evidence he
:16:46. > :16:48.gets things done? The evidence is he built a business empire that has
:16:49. > :16:51.been successful. Politicians don't achieve that. Hillary Clinton does
:16:52. > :16:55.not have a track record of achieving things that you would recognise. I
:16:56. > :17:00.think... Was she not a successful Secretary of State? I don't believe.
:17:01. > :17:07.What did she do wrong? Look at her email case, for example. He has
:17:08. > :17:14.continuously lied about that. Benghazi. She left Americans to die.
:17:15. > :17:17.I was in Chicago. You walk down the street the biggest building in town
:17:18. > :17:22.has Trump written in 50 foot high letters. He has franchised the name,
:17:23. > :17:25.Michael. That is not his building. All over America there are buildings
:17:26. > :17:36.covered in the name Trump. We immensely value the relationship
:17:37. > :17:39.we have with the United States. We have so many common ties. The idea
:17:40. > :17:47.this guy is down to the last two, it's terrifying. I don't dispute he
:17:48. > :17:52.has a Lot of... You and you sort What do you mean my sort? You sat
:17:53. > :17:55.around and discussed banning him, the new and potential future
:17:56. > :17:59.President of the United States. Do you not think we need an apology
:18:00. > :18:02.from your sort? I value the relationship we have with the
:18:03. > :18:09.Americans. It's terrifying this guy is even down to the last two. We'd
:18:10. > :18:16.have looked quite stupid if they'd have abandoned only one. You may...
:18:17. > :18:21.I said we'd have looked stupid if he had won? That is not an answer. One
:18:22. > :18:26.of the functions of the BBC ought to be to help the British people to
:18:27. > :18:30.understand how the American people have had Trump level pegging I think
:18:31. > :18:33.until a few weeks ago looking like he'd be the winner, maybe not just
:18:34. > :18:38.at the moment looking at that, but I take Katie's point that we don't
:18:39. > :18:43.know what the results will be. We helped the people understand before
:18:44. > :18:48.the summer recess. The BBC thought Remain would win. They were proved
:18:49. > :18:52.very wrong on that. I didn't realise the BBC had a collective view on
:18:53. > :18:57.these things. I think it was very clear that you did. You obviously
:18:58. > :19:03.didn't see my show. Thank you for joining us. My pleasure.
:19:04. > :19:05.Now it's late, Marmite and Blue Nun late.
:19:06. > :19:07.So put down your toast and crumpets and pour yourself another glass
:19:08. > :19:10.of Blue Nun, while stocks last, because waiting in the wings
:19:11. > :19:13.is singer songwriter, Katie Melua, here to talk about technical
:19:14. > :19:15.algorithms and fat finger errors in the UK currency market.
:19:16. > :19:18.And if you believe that, you'll believe just about anything
:19:19. > :19:20.on the fleecebook, the twitter bollocks, snapnumpty
:19:21. > :19:25.Now he's a mystery man, an all-action hero who can dive
:19:26. > :19:28.from a hard-Brexit cliff, swim through Boris Johnson
:19:29. > :19:30.infested waters, scale the Royal Yacht Britannia or jump
:19:31. > :19:34.on to an InterCity 225, mark 4 all while wearing his trademark
:19:35. > :19:38.polo neck and swigging a bottle of you-know-what.
:19:39. > :19:40.Unfortunately, Michael was too busy to film this week,
:19:41. > :19:43.so here's Miranda Green with her round-up of
:19:44. > :20:07.It's been a week of daring doom with the swashbuckling Brexiteer
:20:08. > :20:12.himself David Davis revealing or trying not to reveal
:20:13. > :20:16.what his plans are for extricating Britain from the EU.
:20:17. > :20:20.No running commentary, ministers say, but we did glean that
:20:21. > :20:22.DD thinks we have a bright future outside the European Union.
:20:23. > :20:27.I believe that when we've left the European Union,
:20:28. > :20:31.when we are once again in true control of our own affairs,
:20:32. > :20:34.we'll be in an even stronger position to confront the challenges
:20:35. > :20:38.The Government will build a global Britain that will trade around
:20:39. > :20:41.the world, build new alliances with other countries and deliver
:20:42. > :20:54.Parliament won't have much of a role in the negotiations.
:20:55. > :20:59.Theresa May's concession of the debate temporarily halted
:21:00. > :21:04.the rapid slide in the pound but there'll not be a vote.
:21:05. > :21:09.The unrepentent remainers need a hero to fight their corner and two
:21:10. > :21:12.former leading men got a chance to reprise their days of stardom.
:21:13. > :21:17.Miliband and Clegg both told DD there has to be a role
:21:18. > :21:24.Can he give us now, with a straight face,
:21:25. > :21:28.an answer to the question - where is the Government's mandate
:21:29. > :21:31.for its negotiations either from this House or the country?
:21:32. > :21:35.On the basis of what constitutional principle does he believe
:21:36. > :21:39.the Prime Minister can now arrogate to herself the exclusive right
:21:40. > :21:48.Commanding words from the matinee idols.
:21:49. > :21:52.Not enough though for David to promise any more
:21:53. > :21:56.Is that what he meant by take back control?
:21:57. > :22:07.I'll be riding as high as Theresa May's Tory
:22:08. > :22:13.17 points ahead of Labour wich would give them
:22:14. > :22:15.a 114-seat majority in the
:22:16. > :22:21.That's got to be worth a swig of Blue Nun.
:22:22. > :22:34.It appears there's no sign of swinging towards an early election.
:22:35. > :22:38.Jeremy Corbyn with an increased mandate for his second performance
:22:39. > :22:44.as Labour Leader swung into action at PMQs with a series of questions
:22:45. > :22:49.about Brexit, ignoring persistent mutterings about whether he's fit
:22:50. > :22:55.The pound is plummeting, business is worrying and
:22:56. > :23:01.The Prime Minister says she won't give a
:23:02. > :23:04.running commentary, but isn't it time the Government stopped running
:23:05. > :23:07.away from the looming threat to jobs and businesses in this country
:23:08. > :23:13.and the living standards of millions of people?
:23:14. > :23:17.With talk of a second referendum, the Prime Minister got
:23:18. > :23:22.The Shadow Foreign Secretary wants a second
:23:23. > :23:28.I have to say to her, I would have thought that Labour MPs
:23:29. > :23:33.You can ask the same question again, you still
:23:34. > :23:40.The SNP's heroine, Nicola Sturgeon, took
:23:41. > :23:44.advantage of the Brexit kerfuffle, she continues to stoke Scotland's
:23:45. > :23:53.I am determined that Scotland will have
:23:54. > :23:57.the ability to reconsider the question of independence and to do
:23:58. > :24:02.so before the UK leaves the EU if that is necessary to protect our
:24:03. > :24:12.I can confirm today that the independence referendum
:24:13. > :24:14.Bill will be published for consultation next
:24:15. > :24:18.Former International Development Secretary, Andrew
:24:19. > :24:21.Mitchell, also made a return this week,
:24:22. > :24:22.with an impassioned plea for a
:24:23. > :24:26.no-fly zone over Syria, spiralling civilian casualties prompted a call
:24:27. > :24:31.He reserved his strongest words for criticism
:24:32. > :24:35.We should single Russia out as a pariah.
:24:36. > :24:40.The Kremlin, like any bully, craves relevance and is winning, as
:24:41. > :24:46.Also pulling no punches was the Foreign Secretary, Boris Johnson.
:24:47. > :24:49.If Russia continues in its current path,
:24:50. > :24:52.then I believe that great
:24:53. > :24:56.country is in danger of becoming a pariah nation.
:24:57. > :24:59.And if President Putin's strategy is to restore the
:25:00. > :25:03.greatness and the glory of Russia, then I believe he risks seeing his
:25:04. > :25:09.ambition turn to ashes in the face of international contempt for what
:25:10. > :25:14.While Boris is pitting the great powers against
:25:15. > :25:17.one another, in another part of Westminster,
:25:18. > :25:34.The MPs are arguing for a new Royal Yacht, a symbol of
:25:35. > :25:36.Britain's imperial power as the best way to woo
:25:37. > :25:38.other nations during the
:25:39. > :25:44.Who needs diplomacy if you can parachute in on a yacht to
:25:45. > :25:49.reflect the glory of a newly Brexited nation?
:25:50. > :25:51.Brexit makes the building of a new Royal Yacht, not a
:25:52. > :25:56.Rule Britannia, Britannia rules the waves, many,
:25:57. > :26:04.Would you not agree with me, it might give true respect to
:26:05. > :26:07.Royal Britannia if she describes her not as it, but as she.
:26:08. > :26:15.This Brexit shenanigans will run and oneth run.
:26:16. > :26:19.We are going to need our treats, that's if the pound in our
:26:20. > :26:29.And all because the gentleman loves Blue Nun.
:26:30. > :26:38.Miranda Green there, failing to give the Milk Tray Man
:26:39. > :26:41.a run for his money at The Cape Adventure
:26:42. > :26:51.While we were talking about Donald Trump, the news has broken in
:26:52. > :26:57.America that Hillary Clinton's submitted to a federal judge answers
:26:58. > :27:01.to 20 questions involving the use of her e-mail server and she's been
:27:02. > :27:08.forced to answer by this federal judge under threat of perjury if she
:27:09. > :27:13.makes any mistakes. On a number of occasions, she's said she has no
:27:14. > :27:16.recollection she'd be warned it would be wrong to use this e-mail
:27:17. > :27:22.server. Still more things to happen in this election. Michael, would it
:27:23. > :27:29.be foolish for the Government... Oh, yes. Would it be foolish to ask this
:27:30. > :27:33.Government to show its hand just to set out its general objectives as it
:27:34. > :27:41.triggers Article 50? I think it's set out what is probably a statement
:27:42. > :27:45.of the obvious which is that if the Ieuan insists on freedom of
:27:46. > :27:50.movement, we can't be a member of the single market -- European Union.
:27:51. > :27:53.If the Government thinks it implicit in the referendum result that laws
:27:54. > :27:59.made in Parliament be sovereign, that is to say that they do not
:28:00. > :28:02.recognise any superior laws, nor be subject to laws by European
:28:03. > :28:06.judgments, that also implies you can't be in the single market. So
:28:07. > :28:09.that much has become clear. I think probably there's not much more that
:28:10. > :28:14.you can say at the moment. Should Parliament have the right to have a
:28:15. > :28:19.say to help determine the negotiating position? What is
:28:20. > :28:22.absolutely key is that for Labour and for the Conservatives and
:28:23. > :28:28.everyone else, Brexit does have to mean Brexit so all of us do have to
:28:29. > :28:32.respect the will of the people in that referendum, there can be no
:28:33. > :28:36.wriggling out of it by the political establishment. But people voted to
:28:37. > :28:39.come out of the European Union but it's absolutely right and critical
:28:40. > :28:43.the and central to our democracy that Parliament is able to
:28:44. > :28:49.scrutinise and make a decision on the terms by which we go out. Now, I
:28:50. > :28:55.find it ironic that if you look at Davis and Fox and Johnson, one of
:28:56. > :28:59.the biggest arguments they deployed in the referendum campaign was about
:29:00. > :29:02.getting control back and about the importance of Parliamentary
:29:03. > :29:07.sovereignty at Westminster. Now they are the three loudest voices to say
:29:08. > :29:11.that Parliament should have no say. Let me unbundle that a bit to be
:29:12. > :29:14.clear what you are saying. Should Parliament approve the bargaining
:29:15. > :29:21.position of the Government? I think we need to be clear about the terms.
:29:22. > :29:29.There needs to be a parentsry vote about that. So it should approve --
:29:30. > :29:34.a Parliamentary vote. In my constituency, 670% they voted to
:29:35. > :29:38.come out -- 70%. One of the principal reasons was that they felt
:29:39. > :29:41.that for ordinary workers, terms and conditions and pay had been driven
:29:42. > :29:45.down because of our membership with the European Union so it would be
:29:46. > :29:49.inconsistent with the views that they expressed in the referendum if
:29:50. > :29:55.we were to have a Brexit that was a kind of bonfire of workers' rights.
:29:56. > :30:00.Critical issues. Sure, but that could come from Parliament approving
:30:01. > :30:05.the deal when it's finally done. Should Parliament have that power as
:30:06. > :30:09.well? We are going to get the Reform Act first. That is not to do with
:30:10. > :30:12.the deal? That will hopefully be enshrining in law some of the deals
:30:13. > :30:16.we have at the moment. At the moment it's obvious from day one that the
:30:17. > :30:20.Government either didn't expect to lose that referendum but they
:30:21. > :30:23.certainly have no plan. I know all that, we have been through all that,
:30:24. > :30:27.Michael... That's still the case now. That is fine but what I'm
:30:28. > :30:30.trying to establish is two things and I haven't had clear answers,
:30:31. > :30:34.should Parliament approve the negotiating strategy of the
:30:35. > :30:40.Government? Yes, I think we should prove the terms of it. And should
:30:41. > :30:42.Parliament then if and when the deal is done, should it then vote on the
:30:43. > :30:49.deal? I don't know if we would vote on the
:30:50. > :30:52.final deal or before. We have to find a process by which Parliament
:30:53. > :30:56.can agree we will determine, if you like, the terms of that Brexit.
:30:57. > :31:00.There is no suggestion from the Government at the moment there is
:31:01. > :31:03.going to be no say from Parliament. That's absolutely intolerable. You
:31:04. > :31:07.are shaking your head there. Why shouldn't Parliament have a say in
:31:08. > :31:10.these things I'm certainly not saying that. I don't see how
:31:11. > :31:15.Parliament could approve the terms. Once you said, these are the things
:31:16. > :31:20.we aim to achieve you would have told those negotiating with you the
:31:21. > :31:24.things they would be... That they would be encouraged to deny you. You
:31:25. > :31:28.would be setting out your red lines, the things that are important to
:31:29. > :31:33.you, offering a red rag to those you have to negotiate with. When it's
:31:34. > :31:37.all done... Is that a blank cheque though It must be voted on by
:31:38. > :31:42.Parliament. Then Parliament will have to take a very, important
:31:43. > :31:45.decision. Because there is a majority in the Parliament not to
:31:46. > :31:48.leave the European Union. Parliament will have to decide in
:31:49. > :31:52.two-and-a-half years' time whether it's going to vote with the way that
:31:53. > :31:55.the majority in Parliament feels, which is to stop us leaving the
:31:56. > :32:00.European Union, in contradiction of what the people have said, in
:32:01. > :32:04.contradiction of what Parliament's previous vote to grant the people a
:32:05. > :32:07.referendum. That would be a moment mouse thing if Parliament decided to
:32:08. > :32:12.try to pull back on Brexit in two-and-a-half years' time. If the
:32:13. > :32:15.Government does a deal and brings it forward to Parliament, and
:32:16. > :32:18.Parliament rejects it, that would be a constitutional crisis, wouldn't
:32:19. > :32:22.it? The Government would have to go to the country to resolve it? I
:32:23. > :32:28.don't accept Michael's premise, which is that simply because... I
:32:29. > :32:31.campaigned for remain. I thought it was in the best interests of my
:32:32. > :32:36.constituents and the country. I have to accept we have lost that
:32:37. > :32:41.argument. It doesn't matter what I think. The truth is I'm duty-bound
:32:42. > :32:45.now to deliver the verdict of my constituents and the people across
:32:46. > :32:51.the country. They voted to come out. That's not an issue of negotiation.
:32:52. > :32:58.There are huge issues of concern in my constituency elsewhere about the
:32:59. > :33:01.terms. Syria. All this talk doing the rounds of a no-fly zone and the
:33:02. > :33:06.rest of it. Can we agree it's not going to happen It's talk. It's
:33:07. > :33:09.pathetic. There would have been a moment before the aerial bombardment
:33:10. > :33:12.began, particularly before the aerial bombardment began involving
:33:13. > :33:15.the Russians, when be you could have declared a no-fly zone. Then the
:33:16. > :33:21.Russians would have been in a position of having to decide whether
:33:22. > :33:23.they wanted to defy it and risk causing an international
:33:24. > :33:30.catastrophe. Now the boot is on other foot. If we declare the no-fly
:33:31. > :33:33.zone we are risking causing the international catastrophe for that
:33:34. > :33:37.reason it won't happen. Do you agree with that, Michael? I understand the
:33:38. > :33:40.concerns about some of the possibility consequences of further
:33:41. > :33:50.military action, the no-fly zone, the no bomb zone. Look, all of us
:33:51. > :33:53.can agree we want to get the fire going, corridors open, a resolute
:33:54. > :33:56.approach against the Russians. I think think other options need to at
:33:57. > :33:59.least be on the table and considered. Clearly, that's what
:34:00. > :34:03.President Obama is doing. They have indicated that on Friday. Boris
:34:04. > :34:05.Johnson let the cat out of the bag today by saying that the British
:34:06. > :34:10.Government was also looking at the options. What are the other options?
:34:11. > :34:16.In terms of the no-fly zone or a no bomb zone. Michael is right... There
:34:17. > :34:20.won't be a no-fly zone. The kwons kwenss are not straight-forward or
:34:21. > :34:24.easy. We have to be honest, the con consequences of inaction are being
:34:25. > :34:28.played out on our screens every day Wen we see those kids dragged out of
:34:29. > :34:33.rubble. We know the problem. If you don't have a no-fly zone and you
:34:34. > :34:40.haven't got any other ideas, what do you do? The situation we are in is -
:34:41. > :34:45.would have been unimaginable a few years ago. Here are the Russians
:34:46. > :34:50.killing children, killing people on the edge of Europe and Nato and the
:34:51. > :34:54.United States and Britain and the European Union have nothing that
:34:55. > :34:58.they can do about it. Only only now are they actually beginning to say
:34:59. > :35:01.anything about it. And it's not even stirred the public. I thought that
:35:02. > :35:06.was perhaps Boris Johnson's point. If this was Americans bombing
:35:07. > :35:11.Aleppo, Grosvenor Square would be full of protesters. Because it's the
:35:12. > :35:18.the Russians... There would be riots. Because it's Russians, the
:35:19. > :35:20.public don't seem to be stirped. There aren't easy options. The
:35:21. > :35:23.Americans are right to consider what, if any, options are available.
:35:24. > :35:28.I think the British Government is as well. At the current stage of the
:35:29. > :35:34.American electoral cycle, the Americans are going to do nothing.
:35:35. > :35:38.That's how it works. Mr Obama has never been engaged in the Middle
:35:39. > :35:41.East in the fist place. He won't get engaged in his last two months. To
:35:42. > :35:46.make one other point about Donald Trump. It's extraordinary, here is a
:35:47. > :35:52.man running on a ticket of making America great again. At a time when
:35:53. > :35:54.Russia is bombing on the edge of Europe and mvurdering civilians and
:35:55. > :35:57.he has nothing to say about it. Indeed. Fascinating. And depressing.
:35:58. > :36:01.Yep. Now, Russian viewers,
:36:02. > :36:05.why are you still watching? I know why, so you can stop
:36:06. > :36:09.bugging our phones, hacking our emails and invading
:36:10. > :36:12.defenceless nations, just for a few minutes,
:36:13. > :36:15.as we put the USSR in the spotlight. I don't think that Russia today can
:36:16. > :36:29.be compared with the Soviet Union. I don't think it's entirely right
:36:30. > :36:31.to talk about a new... I think it's right to talk
:36:32. > :36:34.about a new Cold War. Russia positioned nuclear capable
:36:35. > :36:39.missiles in its westernmost region this week or are they trying to rile
:36:40. > :36:42.Nato and revive Cold War politics? Civil servants fire red under
:36:43. > :36:45.the bed at Number Ten. They've reportedly banned
:36:46. > :36:48.Smartwatches from Cabinet meetings fearing the Kremlin might
:36:49. > :36:52.use them to eavesdrop, but is the real Red
:36:53. > :36:54.scare across the pond? The Kremlin, meaning Putin
:36:55. > :36:57.and the Russian government, are directing the attacks,
:36:58. > :36:59.the hacking, on American accounts The Clinton camp has accused Russia
:37:00. > :37:11.of helping Donald Trump's presidential campaign
:37:12. > :37:15.by hacking her emails. Russian Foreign Minister,
:37:16. > :37:17.Sergei Lavrov, confirmed the cooling of relations
:37:18. > :37:23.in bolshy fashion this week. There are so many processes
:37:24. > :37:25.around your presidential campaign on both sides that I'd prefer not
:37:26. > :37:28.to comment about this. Will frosty rhetoric on both sides
:37:29. > :37:32.of the Iron Curtain result Popstar Katie Melua spent her
:37:33. > :37:44.childhood in Georgia and returned Should we finally shut up
:37:45. > :38:03.about the Cold War and celebrate That was Katie there. She is with us
:38:04. > :38:10.now. Welcome back to the programme. Thanks for having me. You have gone
:38:11. > :38:15.back to Georgia roots with your new single. Do you remember your time in
:38:16. > :38:21.the USSR? Well, I don't remember the actual USSR. I remember mainly after
:38:22. > :38:26.the USSR fell down. Right. The sort of post-Georgia, after the break
:38:27. > :38:30.down of the Soviet Union. And, it was an interesting time. Yeah.
:38:31. > :38:37.Because, basically, the country's infrastructure came to a complete
:38:38. > :38:42.standstill. Food was rationed, hospitals, schools, everything was
:38:43. > :38:47.just shut down. Like, I remember I went to the first two years of
:38:48. > :38:54.school and winter time it was closed. We went in in September and
:38:55. > :38:59.had to leave in November and not go back to March. Were people overall
:39:00. > :39:04.glad it had broken down or were they worried? Well, no, because they had
:39:05. > :39:09.an struck. That worked? Yeah, they had jobs. I was chatting to my mum
:39:10. > :39:13.actually on my last flight to Georgia, I was saying - you know,
:39:14. > :39:17.she was telling me about this job she had. She had an interesting
:39:18. > :39:23.relationship to money. They didn't consider it very important. She said
:39:24. > :39:27.she used to work at this place and she'd get paid once a month. She'd
:39:28. > :39:32.give the money to whatever boy was going to take her to a coffee shop.
:39:33. > :39:37.I was like... She was like, there was no sense of money being very
:39:38. > :39:44.precious. So that was interesting. At least they had the
:39:45. > :39:47.infrastructure. Georgia has a distinctive language and culture
:39:48. > :39:54.from the Russian one, do you think... Is there a hankering back
:39:55. > :39:59.in Russia these days for the USSR? In Russia itself? In Russia itself?
:40:00. > :40:04.Gosh, I wouldn't be able to tell you, to be honest. I assume there
:40:05. > :40:09.isn't in Georgia? I don't know. I think every country has this obsess
:40:10. > :40:15.with nostalgia. A sense of the past is better. We have that here too,
:40:16. > :40:22.don't we? At times. We have it like - obsession. We ref ran da. We have
:40:23. > :40:29.it with music. In that sense, yes, but not in any real sense. We are
:40:30. > :40:35.starting to see in some ways Mr Putin like a Soviet leader. Not in
:40:36. > :40:42.terms of world domination or world communism, but certainly in terms of
:40:43. > :40:51.reestablishing a Russian sphere of influence around the Mother Russia.
:40:52. > :40:56.Yeah. We have seen it in Ukraine, Crimea ya and the warm water port in
:40:57. > :41:00.Syria. There is a sense of a resurgent Russia again? He comes
:41:01. > :41:07.across pretty frightening in the press and media. I'd say so. I'm
:41:08. > :41:11.always a bit dubious about how things come across in the media
:41:12. > :41:15.because I think what works on news stories and what people want to read
:41:16. > :41:20.are what make as goods story. That tends to be things that are
:41:21. > :41:23.dramatic, horrifying, shocking or fascinating or odd. Do you think
:41:24. > :41:27.ordinary people want Russia to be great again, whatever that might
:41:28. > :41:30.mean? Of course. Russians, yeah, of course. They are proud. Everyone
:41:31. > :41:35.wants their country to be great. Absolutely whachl I'm most
:41:36. > :41:41.interested in is also realising that these countries, we all know them in
:41:42. > :41:46.the West as having these very difficult and complex political
:41:47. > :41:53.histories. You know, they are shaded in a negative light. Russia has had
:41:54. > :42:02.some of the most incredible cultural figures. Incredible composers and
:42:03. > :42:10.great writers. I would like to celebrate that. You wonder whether
:42:11. > :42:15.we handled the post-USSR well to encourage a different Russia, but in
:42:16. > :42:19.a sense it's Back To The Future. It was the burden of their own history
:42:20. > :42:28.as much as anything. That famous phrase of the swapping. . They went
:42:29. > :42:33.from the sprawling empire of the Tzars to the communists for so many
:42:34. > :42:38.years. I mean, I think it was always going to be difficult to debt get...
:42:39. > :42:44.To move to a liberal democracy. Just like that. Maybe we could have done
:42:45. > :42:51.more to help them. Too late now. What are you up to, what are you
:42:52. > :43:01.doing these days? I went back to Georgia to work with a local choir
:43:02. > :43:06.there. We have made a record. It's a big deal to us because living in the
:43:07. > :43:12.UK and having a chance to be in the music business here, which really
:43:13. > :43:17.rules the world, I love the fact that Dylan got the Nobel Prize
:43:18. > :43:22.today, that's fannic. Music I believe rules the world. I've meed a
:43:23. > :43:23.new album. Well done. Thanks for sharing some time with us tonight.
:43:24. > :43:29.Thank you. -- made. That's your lot for tonight folks,
:43:30. > :43:32.but not for us because it's Pussy Galore night at Lou Lous
:43:33. > :43:35.and Michael can't wait to exchange What he has to say about Wagner
:43:36. > :43:39.and the "Ring Cycle" is pretty edgy. But we leave you tonight
:43:40. > :43:42.with the latest episode Nighty night, don't let
:43:43. > :43:50.the silver-backed gorrilla bite. I thought he was like a bill
:43:51. > :43:56.silver-back gorilla prowling the studio. A group of gorillas that
:43:57. > :43:59.lives here has been studied by scientists for several years and has
:44:00. > :44:03.become sufficiently accustomed to human beings to allow you to
:44:04. > :44:08.approach quite close. But you have to behave properly. You musn't
:44:09. > :44:11.conceal yourself too well. If you suddenly appear close to them and
:44:12. > :44:17.took them by surprise, then they would almost certainly charge.
:44:18. > :44:23.Though they may play games, you don't forget that these are the
:44:24. > :44:26.rules of the forest and the great silver-back is King of the whole
:44:27. > :44:34.group. Help's so enormously strong that he need fear nothing except a
:44:35. > :44:41.man armed with a spear or a gun. -- he's.
:44:42. > :44:51.There's no pulse. Adrenaline, please.