:00:00. > :00:22.Stand-by for the most extraordinary chain of events ever
:00:23. > :00:31.swept up into high adventure by Airplane.
:00:32. > :00:39.All right now, everybody, get in crash positions.
:00:40. > :00:42.Is the party heading for a crash landing?
:00:43. > :00:46.Let's hear from First Officer, Suzanne Evans.
:00:47. > :00:51.There's been some turbulence of late but the sky's the limit for Ukip.
:00:52. > :01:06.I am serious, and don't call me Shirley.
:01:07. > :01:10.Luckily, we are in safe hands with captain Andrew Rawnsley.
:01:11. > :01:15.Fog over Heathrow, lightning over Brexit.
:01:16. > :01:21.Is it safe to fly with Captain May and her quarrelsome cabin crew?
:01:22. > :01:37.Charlie Brooker's keeping up appearances.
:01:38. > :01:42.I may look happy to be here, but trust me, on the inside, I am
:01:43. > :01:45.nosediving. Hold onto your seats,
:01:46. > :01:48.we could be in for a turbulent ride. Knock back the Blue Nun
:01:49. > :01:50.and inhale some oxygen. And I begin with the news that is
:01:51. > :02:17.rocking the media world tonight. As of US election Day on November
:02:18. > :02:20.8th, we're leaving this godforsaken late-night wasteland to which we've
:02:21. > :02:23.been consigned by pitiless schedulers and BBC Yentobs,
:02:24. > :02:26.and we're moving to Yes, The Donald, who will clearly
:02:27. > :02:38.have time on his hands from November 9th, is setting up his own channel
:02:39. > :02:42.and we will be the crown jewels. We'll take no notice
:02:43. > :02:46.of our overnight ratings, because these will obviously be
:02:47. > :02:50.rigged by a jealous Newsnight. We won't build a wall
:02:51. > :02:52.to keep viewers out. But we might have to resort
:02:53. > :02:55.to a very high fence We will, of course, test all guests
:02:56. > :03:02.for drugs before they appear, to make sure they've
:03:03. > :03:04.taken their contractual minimum. If only we could get
:03:05. > :03:07.Michael to take more. And we will never, ever,
:03:08. > :03:12.ever have a bad word to say about President Putin,
:03:13. > :03:14.whom Mr Trump assures us It doesn't mean we're puppets but it
:03:15. > :03:21.does mean just about every member of the Stop The War Coalition
:03:22. > :03:25.is bound to watch us. And there could be residuals to
:03:26. > :03:29.pocket from reruns on Russia Today. Speaking of those who'd
:03:30. > :03:31.sell their granny just to be on an infomercial
:03:32. > :03:34.in the middle of the night, I'm joined on the sofa by two
:03:35. > :03:36.child migrants who refuse to give their age but,
:03:37. > :03:39.looking at their teeth, I speak, of course,
:03:40. > :03:46.of the Walter Mondale and Dan Quayle of late-night political chat
:03:47. > :03:49.has-beens, Chuka #smoothoperator Umunna and
:03:50. > :04:08.Michael #choochoo Portillo. Your moment of the week. On the
:04:09. > :04:10.subject you have valued at two, Britain did commit to take from the
:04:11. > :04:17.Calais Campbell vulnerable children. Many of us have the idea of eight,
:04:18. > :04:20.ten, 12-year-olds who could be very vulnerable, in great danger and it
:04:21. > :04:27.would be a great humanitarian act to take them. But as I understand it,
:04:28. > :04:30.none of the children that one would designate as vulnerable have been
:04:31. > :04:35.taken by Britain. It seems to have been a complete failure of policy.
:04:36. > :04:39.But we have been amused, outrage, shocked to see these wrinkly people
:04:40. > :04:46.with stubble claiming to be children, emerging from the camps.
:04:47. > :04:49.My point is that the incompetence of the British immigration authorities
:04:50. > :04:54.seems to know no bounds. If one is trying to think back to why we voted
:04:55. > :04:59.Brexit, there are many reasons but one is that the public simply does
:05:00. > :05:04.not trust written to control to understand or to manage immigration
:05:05. > :05:07.in the least. And at a time when it is not terribly convenient to
:05:08. > :05:14.Theresa May, that perception seems to have been reinforced. My moment
:05:15. > :05:18.has to be the debate, the Hillary- Trump final debate, and in
:05:19. > :05:24.particular, adding he was the one who brought it up, going to her 30
:05:25. > :05:28.years of experience. She went into this wonderful diatribe when she
:05:29. > :05:33.said in the 1970s when she was working in the children's defence
:05:34. > :05:36.fund, fighting against discrimination, you were being
:05:37. > :05:40.prosecuted for discriminating against people in your apartments.
:05:41. > :05:44.In the 1980s when I was working to resolve problems in Arkansas
:05:45. > :05:49.schools, you borrowed 4 million from your father to start a business. In
:05:50. > :05:53.the 1990s when I was fighting for women's rights in Beijing, seeing
:05:54. > :05:57.them as human rights, you were having a row with Miss universe. She
:05:58. > :06:00.finished by saying, when I was sitting in the situation room with
:06:01. > :06:04.the President watching over the operation to get in lard, you were
:06:05. > :06:11.hosting an episode of The Apprentice. A wonderful knock-down
:06:12. > :06:16.of a vile human being who wear hope never becomes President of the night
:06:17. > :06:22.to the. You are referring to Trump, presumably. Well, it looks like you
:06:23. > :06:26.might get your way. The debate was a disaster -- was not a disaster for
:06:27. > :06:27.Mr Trump but did not give him the breakthrough needed.
:06:28. > :06:29."Once you hear the details of victory, it is hard
:06:30. > :06:32.So said French philosopher Jean Paul Sartre.
:06:33. > :06:37.Anyway, neither would be natural advisers for Ukip to turn to.
:06:38. > :06:40.But when you look at what's happened to Ukip since it helped
:06:41. > :06:42.win the referendum, you can see that Jean Paul,
:06:43. > :06:48.A new poll suggests that support for Ukip has halved
:06:49. > :06:54.We turned to Suzanne Evans, who's in training, though I can't
:06:55. > :07:11.Ukip's on the ropes, says the Westminster commentariat.
:07:12. > :07:17.We're not the sort of party that's going to throw in the towel,
:07:18. > :07:19.and if anyone can roll with the political punches,
:07:20. > :07:25.The first thing our new leader needs to do is get stuck into the fight
:07:26. > :07:29.They are trying to beat us back to Brussels,
:07:30. > :07:32.so we need to grab the gloves, roll up our sleeves
:07:33. > :07:41.and drag the government through the EU exit door.
:07:42. > :07:44.Next, they have to be up for a rumble in the Westminster
:07:45. > :07:47.jungle, ready to take the battle to both the blue
:07:48. > :07:51.Right, lads, that's enough in the ring.
:07:52. > :07:59.Take that, you anti-British Corbynites.
:08:00. > :08:03.Theresa, you Tories have gone soft on law and order.
:08:04. > :08:04.Ukip will take that vacancy, thank you.
:08:05. > :08:09.Ukip needs to get MPs in Parliament so we need a new strategy to get
:08:10. > :08:16.I think that means ditching the right-wing Trump-style rhetoric
:08:17. > :08:21.and taking command of the patriotic common sense centre.
:08:22. > :08:24.I mean a strong, sensible centre that cuts the foreign aid budget,
:08:25. > :08:26.spends more on defence, slashes energy bills,
:08:27. > :08:30.acts tough on corporate tax avoidance and backs
:08:31. > :08:36.a National Health Service, not an international one.
:08:37. > :08:50.Ukip can reach a Britain of proud people who have been
:08:51. > :08:57.Reach out to women, broaden our appeal,
:08:58. > :09:01.and I reckon millions more votes are within our grasp.
:09:02. > :09:11.So let's get the gloves and deliver a knockout blow to the opposition.
:09:12. > :09:13.Thank you to the ladies and gentleman at Balham Boxing Club
:09:14. > :09:29.Now you know what I have to put up with every week. Suzanne Evans joins
:09:30. > :09:35.us. They had to be very patient. Boxing does not come naturally. Do
:09:36. > :09:40.you want to be next leader of Ukip? I am considering it carefully. I
:09:41. > :09:43.think our last leader did not perhaps consider it carefully
:09:44. > :09:50.enough, lasting only 18 days. I am taking soundings. It sounds like a
:09:51. > :09:56.yes to me. I have yet to reach a decision. It is a momentous task.
:09:57. > :10:01.What would be a consideration for you wanting to be leader and a
:10:02. > :10:05.consideration against? For leader, is the fact that I have quite a lot
:10:06. > :10:12.of pressure to stand. I am very aware that there are people who want
:10:13. > :10:15.me to stand. I suppose against, to be leader of any political party,
:10:16. > :10:18.particularly Britain's third largest political party, is a massive
:10:19. > :10:24.lifestyle change and an enormous stress on anyone. Nigel is talking
:10:25. > :10:27.about how he wants his life back. The new leader of Ukip will be
:10:28. > :10:33.giving up their life for some considerable period. The last leader
:10:34. > :10:36.resigned within days, the favourite to succeed her got thumped and left
:10:37. > :10:44.the party. Are you sure you want the job? That is what I am weighing up.
:10:45. > :10:51.That you might get thumped? I do not think I will get thumped. Ukip does
:10:52. > :10:55.not have the best reputation. I know there are stories. I have been out
:10:56. > :11:02.campaigning myself where people seem to think we are a party that we are
:11:03. > :11:07.not. And our campaigners get spat at and it is difficult. I was thinking
:11:08. > :11:11.more abuse from your own fellow politicians. Isn't the truth that
:11:12. > :11:17.the party is dysfunctional without Nigel Farage? I don't agree with
:11:18. > :11:21.that, absolutely not. I think Nigel's going is a chance for a
:11:22. > :11:27.fresh approach and some fresh blood. Not literally. I had better get that
:11:28. > :11:36.in. You are walking into this. I don't need to say anything. I don't
:11:37. > :11:41.agree. Any organisation... That is what it seems like, otherwise he
:11:42. > :11:46.would not be on his third coming. He keeps on coming back. I don't think
:11:47. > :11:49.he wants to cling on any longer. I would not be so sure. Any
:11:50. > :11:53.organisation which has a strong central figure will have growing
:11:54. > :12:01.pains. Business, politics, whatever it is. Does Ukip have a future? It
:12:02. > :12:07.depends who leads it. Probably Suzanne would be the best person. I
:12:08. > :12:11.think if it has a leader the public is unaware of, it has no chance.
:12:12. > :12:16.Because, as Suzanne said, there are certain things to go for but they
:12:17. > :12:19.are competing directly with the Conservatives to gain Labour voters,
:12:20. > :12:24.mainly, I think, in the North of England. So the position on Brexit,
:12:25. > :12:29.the position on a more equal society, on criticising companies
:12:30. > :12:33.that do not pay tax, those are the things that Ukip wants to talk about
:12:34. > :12:38.but also what Theresa May is talking about. Theresa May is a prominent
:12:39. > :12:42.figure. Unless it Ukip can produce someone who is outstanding, a
:12:43. > :12:46.household name, they do not stand a chance. Otherwise, they do stand a
:12:47. > :12:49.chance because the government is always vulnerable to things going
:12:50. > :12:53.wrong. For example, I just mention that immigration is more going well.
:12:54. > :13:00.It is very well talking about it, but the government are vulnerable on
:13:01. > :13:03.it. You cannot get away, like the Liberal Democrats, you cannot have a
:13:04. > :13:09.Tim Farron, otherwise you had might as well or go home. I'm sure Tim
:13:10. > :13:15.Farron enjoy that! Does Ukip have a future? In the short term, yes. In
:13:16. > :13:20.the medium to long term, the jury is out. In some senses, who leads it is
:13:21. > :13:25.irrelevant unless they actually establish their purpose and how they
:13:26. > :13:30.want to position themselves. There seems to be a division. I get a
:13:31. > :13:38.sense from Suzanne, who wants to go for building a broader support base
:13:39. > :13:40.for Ukip, attack some of the stereotypes and characteristics that
:13:41. > :13:49.people have seen promoted around Ukip. On the other hand, you have
:13:50. > :13:54.those like the person who would be her principal opponent, Rahim, a
:13:55. > :14:01.different politician of the Donald Trump tea party Republican school.
:14:02. > :14:06.He would not be the principal opponent if Paul Nuttall was going
:14:07. > :14:18.to run. I don't think he is going to. Is he going to run? Paul and I
:14:19. > :14:22.are talking. A North- South ticket? I don't know if that is going to
:14:23. > :14:25.happen. To whom do you think you are a bigger threat if you could get the
:14:26. > :14:30.show back on the road, the Tory party or the Labour Party? With the
:14:31. > :14:35.current state of politics in Britain, I think it is the Labour
:14:36. > :14:38.Party. We are the Patriot party. With the Labour Party at the moment
:14:39. > :14:41.you have the leader who will not sing the British National Party
:14:42. > :14:50.them. You have his Shadow Foreign Secretary who is, who has supported
:14:51. > :14:54.the IRA, over the British Army, in the past, the Shadow Chancellor. You
:14:55. > :14:57.have the Shadow Home Secretary, Diane Abbott, once open door
:14:58. > :15:02.immigration, and Emily Thornberry you can't stand the England flag.
:15:03. > :15:05.Working-class people are proud of their community and their country
:15:06. > :15:12.and Labour is letting them down. That has to be our primary audience.
:15:13. > :15:15.Isn't that a fair analysis, in the sense that when Ukip came to
:15:16. > :15:20.prominence it was above all a threat to the Tories, which is why Mr
:15:21. > :15:25.Cameron called a referendum to see off the threat. They began by
:15:26. > :15:31.picking off votes in the south, Tory votes, disillusioned Tories. But now
:15:32. > :15:36.that we are getting Brexit and it is not an issue for Tory- inclined
:15:37. > :15:40.voters, isn't it Labour voters, the ordinary Labour vote in the north
:15:41. > :15:43.that could be in danger, when you have a London- dominated Labour
:15:44. > :15:51.Party that does not appeal for the reasons Suzanne has said?
:15:52. > :15:59.There is no denying. All parties will claim to be patriotic. Nobody
:16:00. > :16:08.has a monopoly on that. I've been clear in terms of the Labour Party.
:16:09. > :16:13.I'm pay rattic and we cannot afford to be seen as not so. Is this Labour
:16:14. > :16:17.Leadership patriotic? I think this Labour Leadership is. They would
:16:18. > :16:24.argue they are. But is it? I believe they are. I don't believe any party
:16:25. > :16:29.has a monopoly on that. But symbols matter. Whether you sing the
:16:30. > :16:34.National Anthem, whether you have pride in our Armed Forces, for
:16:35. > :16:39.example, that kind of stuff matters. Is Ukip, if it could reconstitute
:16:40. > :16:42.itself, get its show back on the road, do you agree with the
:16:43. > :16:47.analysis, it would be a bigger threat to Labour than the North in
:16:48. > :16:50.the Tories and the south? Yes, but I think the Tories are a very big
:16:51. > :16:55.threat to Labour in the North as well. So it's competition between
:16:56. > :16:59.those two parties for the same lot of voters. I do think Labour is
:17:00. > :17:04.extraordinarily vulnerable to losing those votes, well probably to both
:17:05. > :17:08.those parties. If you look at the polls, it would seem that the Advent
:17:09. > :17:14.of Theresa May and the way she's seeking to position the Tories as a
:17:15. > :17:18.fiscally almost Kensian reforically it is, we await to see whether it's
:17:19. > :17:22.in the Autumn Statement and socially Conservative, if she's making a huge
:17:23. > :17:27.grab for Ukip votes. Labour vote. She's trying to do that on the
:17:28. > :17:33.Labour side as well but it seems in polling terms she's had more success
:17:34. > :17:39.against Ukip than she has on us, maybe I'm wrong on that. Ukip has
:17:40. > :17:51.one seat and Labour has hundreds, it's worth mentioning, so it's clear
:17:52. > :17:55.where the target is. Suzanne, the Tories like strong female leaders,
:17:56. > :17:58.why don't you go there? Been there, done that, got the T-shirt, it
:17:59. > :18:03.doesn't fit any more. I'm not sure it ever did, to be honest. I'm at
:18:04. > :18:06.home in Ukip, it suits me. We look forward to your announcement which
:18:07. > :18:09.you almost did tonight. I don't think so. Oh, I do. The viewers will
:18:10. > :18:20.make up their minds. Thank you. too-late-to-hold-on-to-your-gong
:18:21. > :18:26.late. But enough of Philip Green,
:18:27. > :18:31.I never liked his underpants anyway, because waiting in the wings is TV
:18:32. > :18:34.satirist Charlie Brooker, who's coming on just
:18:35. > :18:38.to be rude about us. Or maybe he wants to plug his own
:18:39. > :18:44.dystopian television programme. And if, like Charlie,
:18:45. > :18:49.you're paranoid about technology, snap shut the Snap Numpty,
:18:50. > :18:56.sell your Instagranny and abandon I have absolutely no
:18:57. > :19:04.idea what I'm on about. Now it's 100 days since Theresa May
:19:05. > :19:07.became Prime Minister. And a short time to go
:19:08. > :19:10.from hero to zero. But with Brexit blues,
:19:11. > :19:13.bottled runway decisions, economic uncertainty as far
:19:14. > :19:17.as the eye can see, a child abuse inquiry in chaos and a cabinet
:19:18. > :19:20.bickering like every night is fright night, I think we can safely say
:19:21. > :19:23.the May honeymoon is over. Anyway, here's Andrew Rawnsley
:19:24. > :19:38.with his Round Up of the week. Good evening, ladies and gentlemen,
:19:39. > :19:55.I'd like to welcome passengers aboard this Theresa May Airways
:19:56. > :20:03.flight to destination...unknown. I've just spoken to air traffic
:20:04. > :20:13.control and I'm sorry to report that they still won't give us
:20:14. > :20:17.clearance to take off anywhere. There's continuing fog over
:20:18. > :20:22.the runway to Brexit, the inquiry into historic child
:20:23. > :20:26.abuse can't get airborne and the tower won't even give us
:20:27. > :20:30.a decision about runway capacity Everyone now assumes
:20:31. > :20:40.what the Prime Minister's privately calmed down for Heathrow expansion
:20:41. > :20:43.but she won't even confirm that. The Davis Commission identified
:20:44. > :20:46.three sites, all of which they said would be credible and deliverable,
:20:47. > :20:49.and Government will take Not really; the final vote
:20:50. > :20:59.in Parliament may be Oh, well, what's another 18 months
:21:00. > :21:07.after going on for half a century Cheerleaders for Heathrow weren't
:21:08. > :21:14.the only ones complaining. Champions of Gatwick
:21:15. > :21:17.were also air sick. The Government decision to yet again
:21:18. > :21:21.delay deciding where to build a new runway will cause unnecessary
:21:22. > :21:25.uncertainty for British businesses Part of the reason for further delay
:21:26. > :21:36.is this, Captain May's Cabinet The Prime Minister's solution
:21:37. > :21:41.is to allow a free vote in Parliament and allow ministers
:21:42. > :21:45.to campaign for and against. It's just like David Cameron did
:21:46. > :21:49.with the Brexit referendum. If you are a minister,
:21:50. > :21:59.if you sit round the Cabinet table as I've done in the past,
:22:00. > :22:01.you have to go along with the collective decisions
:22:02. > :22:05.or you don't have to be a minister, This fudge, this in-between world,
:22:06. > :22:09.that's unacceptable and will do One of the reasons Mrs May
:22:10. > :22:14.won her Prime Ministerial wings back in the summer is because she sold
:22:15. > :22:17.herself as a cool, competent pilot of the nation,
:22:18. > :22:20.someone you could trust So the row over the child
:22:21. > :22:26.refugee policy is unwelcome to her and the continuing
:22:27. > :22:31.controversies over the child abuse inquiry now on its fourth chair
:22:32. > :22:36.are a serious embarrassment and an opportunity
:22:37. > :22:46.for the opposition. She was the Home Secretary in April
:22:47. > :22:52.and she was the only person So can she now finally tell us
:22:53. > :22:58.when she personally learnt of the serious problems developing
:22:59. > :23:00.in this inquiry and why it was There were stories around
:23:01. > :23:06.about the inquiry and about But the Home Secretary cannot
:23:07. > :23:12.intervene on the basis And did she do anything
:23:13. > :23:24.about what she knew? The Government's hit its first patch
:23:25. > :23:38.of serious turbulence over Brexit. Rival ministers are squabbling
:23:39. > :23:41.over the flight plan, leaking accounts of their internal
:23:42. > :23:46.debates to the media Who to send out to try
:23:47. > :23:51.to pretend that they all Who else, but trolley
:23:52. > :23:56.dolly, Boris Johnson. We are a nest of singing birds,
:23:57. > :24:00.Mr Speaker, as you can imagine. Things are working extremely well,
:24:01. > :24:06.which may come as a surprise to the honourable lady to know
:24:07. > :24:10.and I have no doubt whatever that Boris on one of his
:24:11. > :24:16.flights of fancy. One or more of the hard Brexiteers
:24:17. > :24:22.have definitely been briefing him against the Chancellor,
:24:23. > :24:26.Philip Hammond, and his friends A distinguished former
:24:27. > :24:32.occupant of the office urged the Prime Minister to get a grip
:24:33. > :24:36.on her quarrelsome crew. One or more Brexiteer members
:24:37. > :24:40.of her Cabinet have been briefing the newspapers copiously on every
:24:41. > :24:44.proposal being put forward, giving papers to the relevant Cabinet
:24:45. > :24:48.committee by their colleagues and launching political attacks
:24:49. > :24:51.on their Cabinet colleagues who seem Will she take firm action
:24:52. > :24:57.to stop this process? # You can go your own way,
:24:58. > :25:04.go your own way #. In his quiet way, the Chancellor
:25:05. > :25:09.himself issued a coded rebuke of the hard Brexiteers
:25:10. > :25:14.in the Cabinet fighting I think it would be far more helpful
:25:15. > :25:22.to this debate if we were able to conduct these internal
:25:23. > :25:28.discussions privately We need space to explore different
:25:29. > :25:33.options, to discuss among ourselves. It's no secret that there
:25:34. > :25:38.are different views. It's going to be a bumpy ride
:25:39. > :25:50.on May Airways and we haven't even Andrew Rawnsley having rather too
:25:51. > :26:01.much fun at Aces High, And from Air Traffic Control
:26:02. > :26:07.in Central London, let's cross now to the Witney by-election,
:26:08. > :26:22.Call Me Dave's old seat The Lib Dems came a poor third in
:26:23. > :26:25.the general election, poor fourth sorry in the general election last
:26:26. > :26:28.year, they were hoping for some kind of breakthrough, I guess maybe
:26:29. > :26:34.second is the best they could hope for. Any sign of that?
:26:35. > :26:39.They certainly are feeling extremely bullish, Andrew. I was just chatting
:26:40. > :26:42.to one party aide watching some of the votes pile up saying that they
:26:43. > :26:48.were feeling pretty confident about this. I don't think anyone thinks
:26:49. > :26:50.they could seriously win this by-election but a good second
:26:51. > :26:56.position would be important for them. Why, because they've been
:26:57. > :26:59.campaigning on a pro- Remain ticket, if you like, they've been talking
:27:00. > :27:03.about staying inside the single market. This was an area of the
:27:04. > :27:09.country that voted to remain by about 54%. So they say in that way
:27:10. > :27:11.it's a verdict on Theresa May and her approach to Brexit, her first
:27:12. > :27:16.significant electoral test. Of course, David Cameron won the seat
:27:17. > :27:22.with a stonking great majority last year, 25,000. Voters here have
:27:23. > :27:27.returned a Conservative ever since the seat was created. The only time
:27:28. > :27:31.it didn't have a Conservative MP was when the Conservative MP defected in
:27:32. > :27:34.the late 1990s, that was Shaun Woodward. Anything that eats into
:27:35. > :27:37.the majority would be considered by the Lib Dems to be a success and
:27:38. > :27:43.also a problem for Labour if they knock them out of second place.
:27:44. > :27:47.We'll see. Turnout looking low, 47%, we have had the provisional figure,
:27:48. > :27:53.and we expect the result some time around 3 or 4 o'clock this morning.
:27:54. > :28:01.Thank you. There is another by-election taking place today in
:28:02. > :28:08.Huddersfield. This was caused by the tragic death, murder of Jo Cox, and
:28:09. > :28:09.it's been uncontested by the other major parties, obviously minor
:28:10. > :28:23.candidates standing. Our correspondent can't hear us
:28:24. > :28:27.there. We are just going to have to leave that there. We did have some
:28:28. > :28:35.sound problems, but it was worth having a go. Apologies to the
:28:36. > :28:38.viewers. Chuka, both Remain and Leave made it
:28:39. > :28:43.clear during the referendum that if we voted to leave the EU, that meant
:28:44. > :28:50.leaving the single market. So why is this now a matter of dispute? Well,
:28:51. > :28:54.I'm not so sure that people did say that. Let me just interrupt you. I
:28:55. > :28:59.have David Cameron on tape and George Osborne on tape saying quite
:29:00. > :29:06.clearly beyond per adventure, if you vote to leave the European Union,
:29:07. > :29:15.you vote to leave the single market. Yes, but I think the difference was,
:29:16. > :29:18.was that inextricably was linked to a debate around free movement. I've
:29:19. > :29:23.argued for, I think what Theresa May should seek to do is to try to prove
:29:24. > :29:29.both Leave and Remain wrong. Remain, and I was part of that campaign,
:29:30. > :29:32.argued that you cannot have access to the single market, or Mercship,
:29:33. > :29:35.without accepting the free movement. You can have access but not
:29:36. > :29:39.membership? Yes, but... The politicians tend to fudge these two
:29:40. > :29:42.things. The key thing is, you have to accept free movement as well
:29:43. > :29:45.because there is no country that has membership of the single market and
:29:46. > :29:50.doesn't are the free movement that goes with it. The thing that's
:29:51. > :29:55.changed is that across the EU, they've got a massive issue with
:29:56. > :29:58.this free movement. There's discontent around free movement.
:29:59. > :30:01.It's going to hit the Germans, the French have general elections next
:30:02. > :30:07.year, the Italians have it the year after. So there is a general
:30:08. > :30:12.imperative. I follow German politics carefully, there is no way in which
:30:13. > :30:16.Mrs Merkel is talking of interfering with free movement. I accept that.
:30:17. > :30:21.If she doesn't move... Slightly different debate. Migration
:30:22. > :30:28.generally, population... It's an issue.
:30:29. > :30:35.What can be done there as a result of Brexit? Brexit has changed the
:30:36. > :30:38.terms of debate. There is an opportunity to argue with European
:30:39. > :30:43.counterparts, look, you need to reform. From the Leave point of
:30:44. > :30:49.view, she could prove them wrong. It was not just about free movement. We
:30:50. > :30:54.had Mr Cameron and George Osborne, the leaders of the Remainer campaign
:30:55. > :30:58.categorical that if we vote to leave, we leave the single market.
:30:59. > :31:03.Mr Cameron said at one stage that he would trigger article 50 immediately
:31:04. > :31:06.to start the process. But the leaders of the Leave campaign, from
:31:07. > :31:11.Nigel Farage through to Boris Johnson and others, said that if we
:31:12. > :31:15.leave we would not be part of the jurisdiction of the European Court
:31:16. > :31:18.of Justice, that we would end free movement in the way you have been
:31:19. > :31:22.talking about and we would have the ability to make our own free trade
:31:23. > :31:28.deals, which by definition been due are not in the customs union. All of
:31:29. > :31:34.that together, or any one of them, means we leave the single market. So
:31:35. > :31:39.I ask again, since Leave and Remain were so clear about it, why are you
:31:40. > :31:46.now trying to fudge it? Identity any one is trying to fudge it. You are.
:31:47. > :31:50.The Lib Dems are fighting in Witney tonight on saying we should stay in
:31:51. > :31:55.the single market. With this negotiation we do not know what we
:31:56. > :31:58.will be able to get. The negotiating positions of our counterparts are
:31:59. > :32:03.not necessarily going to remain the same, because they could be a change
:32:04. > :32:07.in government. The thing about the single market, tariff free access is
:32:08. > :32:13.important. You look at the 10% tariff that would otherwise apply to
:32:14. > :32:18.our cars. You don't know that. If we were trading under WTO rules. The EU
:32:19. > :32:24.could decide that the 10% tariff is a maximum that you can do. The EU
:32:25. > :32:31.could decide not to and we could decide not to. We don't know because
:32:32. > :32:34.negotiations have barely started. This is why the point around
:32:35. > :32:37.parliamentary scrutiny and consultation is important because we
:32:38. > :32:41.have a mandate to the government to take us out of the European Union,
:32:42. > :32:50.but terms which we have just been debating, they have no mandate
:32:51. > :32:53.about. Isn't it the truth that we cannot, given our conditions, we
:32:54. > :32:58.cannot be a member of the single market and it will come down to how
:32:59. > :33:02.good a free-trade deal we can negotiate, that gives us the maximum
:33:03. > :33:08.possible access without being a member? If we can't get that, we
:33:09. > :33:13.will be forced back onto WTO rules, the default position. I thought the
:33:14. > :33:16.first part of that has been made clear by Theresa May and I have said
:33:17. > :33:21.on this programme before that I thought what she had said about the
:33:22. > :33:25.single market, for instance at the party conference, was a statement of
:33:26. > :33:28.the obvious. Saint is -- it is clear you cannot come back to the British
:33:29. > :33:32.people and cannot come back to the Conservative Party. We are still
:33:33. > :33:34.under the European Court of Justice and still cannot control
:33:35. > :33:41.immigration. We cannot say those things so you have to leave the
:33:42. > :33:46.single market. But those who will not accept the vote, the Financial
:33:47. > :33:49.Times, the markets, have gone into meltdown about this. The markets
:33:50. > :33:54.have been ignorant about the whole affair from the beginning. They
:33:55. > :33:58.pumped up sterling thinking it would be Remain. They did not see the vote
:33:59. > :34:04.coming and have not followed through the logic. Apparently when Theresa
:34:05. > :34:10.May said a statement of the blinding obvious, the markets go into
:34:11. > :34:13.meltdown. Apparently Number Ten has not ruled out altogether continued
:34:14. > :34:17.membership of the single market. There is a reason for that but I
:34:18. > :34:21.have not got time to explain it because I want to go to another
:34:22. > :34:25.issue. Heathrow, is it the right decision to have another runway?
:34:26. > :34:32.Yes, we should do it and stop dithering. She is not quite bottling
:34:33. > :34:37.it, but it is a fudge, isn't it? This is the problem with major break
:34:38. > :34:41.multiple parliament infrastructure decisions. You have constant dither
:34:42. > :34:44.and delay because short-term political inconvenience gets in the
:34:45. > :34:48.way of the long-term decision in the interests of our country. There are
:34:49. > :34:53.a number of things that need to be taken into account. Will it deliver
:34:54. > :34:57.the extra capacity? Yes. Can you deal with environmental concerns? I
:34:58. > :35:01.believe so. Will it deliver growth for London and the whole of the
:35:02. > :35:05.country? Yes, so get on with it. I think she did bottle it. The
:35:06. > :35:10.briefing to the press was that we will have a clear-cut announcement.
:35:11. > :35:14.I cannot understand how the day that she appointed Boris Johnson to the
:35:15. > :35:19.Cabinet, Boris, who deserved nothing whatsoever, least of all Foreign
:35:20. > :35:22.Secretary, why didn't she say, I am giving you something you don't
:35:23. > :35:26.deserve and have done nothing for and I jolly well expect you to toe
:35:27. > :35:30.the party line when I make a decision on Heathrow. I can't
:35:31. > :35:34.understand why she didn't make that condition. Why would she appoint any
:35:35. > :35:40.minister without making clear that they had to subscribe to Cabinet
:35:41. > :35:46.responsibility? A number of them have two potentially resign, Justine
:35:47. > :35:51.Greening... Fine, let them go. If they feel so strongly, by all means
:35:52. > :35:54.go to the backbenches. After his London mayoral campaign, would it
:35:55. > :36:01.matter if Zac Goldsmith resigned in Richmond? There is a solution to
:36:02. > :36:06.that. He must do a David Davis, resign and fight as a Conservative.
:36:07. > :36:08.That is fine. It causes no ructions at all.
:36:09. > :36:11.Now some of you have had the utter cheek to accuse Michael and Chuka
:36:12. > :36:13.of being rather too obsessed with how they look.
:36:14. > :36:15.We've had complaints that Chuka's haute couture trousers
:36:16. > :36:17.are rather too haute, that Michael's cerise shirts
:36:18. > :36:24.Heinous insults indeed which is why we've decided to put appearance
:36:25. > :36:33.Vulnerable children or opportunistic adults?
:36:34. > :36:36.Some say looks can deceive when it comes to young refugees seeking
:36:37. > :36:43.If we want to help children, that's great, but I'm not
:36:44. > :36:45.in favour of allowing people in their 20s
:36:46. > :36:46.to say, "I'm a child", and
:36:47. > :36:49.then to come into the UK and make a mockery of our rules.
:36:50. > :36:52.# You can't judge a book by looking at the cover.#
:36:53. > :37:02.Melania Trump said this week that she didn't
:37:03. > :37:05.recognise her husband when she first heard him brag about groping women.
:37:06. > :37:10.I was surprised because that is not the man that I know.
:37:11. > :37:13.Donald, on the other hand, reckons he can tell that
:37:14. > :37:16.Hillary Clinton's on drugs just by looking at her.
:37:17. > :37:18.We should trade a drug test, right, cos I don't know
:37:19. > :37:25.Charlie Brooker has devoted column inches
:37:26. > :37:28.and airtime to taking the Mick out of people's TV appearances.
:37:29. > :37:29.The news has progressively seemed more and
:37:30. > :37:35.So, should we judge a book by its cover?
:37:36. > :37:53.You can go downhill so quickly on late-night television. Charlie
:37:54. > :37:59.Brooker is with us. I suppose we have always judged a book by its
:38:00. > :38:06.cover. Are we doing it more now? It is certainly easier to do it. We all
:38:07. > :38:10.do it. I don't know that we should. We are certainly getting stronger
:38:11. > :38:16.characters in merging, and I kind of miss a few years ago when everything
:38:17. > :38:20.was, oh well, and everyone was complaining that politicians were
:38:21. > :38:23.the same and everything was bland and awful. Now, everything is either
:38:24. > :38:33.brilliant or terrible, in critical terms. And you have got interesting
:38:34. > :38:40.characters emerging who are mildly terrifying. It is not boring. It is
:38:41. > :38:48.interesting. Not boring on either side of the Atlantic at the moment.
:38:49. > :38:54.As social media made judgment more democratic and that everyone can now
:38:55. > :39:00.judge. There is an echo chamber, and it improves -- it includes
:39:01. > :39:06.appearance and looks. I think social media is a good thing. I do think it
:39:07. > :39:11.is structured like a video game. I am an avid gamer, and directed Mize
:39:12. > :39:17.the mechanics of a game when I see it. And games are all about giving
:39:18. > :39:23.you a little dopamine hit, a bit of feedback when you obey the rules,
:39:24. > :39:29.and social media is structured in a way that, for performing your
:39:30. > :39:33.opinions or your personality and a strident and entertaining way, you
:39:34. > :39:39.are rewarded with the likes and followers. It activates the same
:39:40. > :39:46.synapses in the brain as the noise when Mariella connects -- collects a
:39:47. > :39:53.coin or something. So it encourages you to be strident and possibly
:39:54. > :39:58.slightly facile and in authentic, I think. And I think that is something
:39:59. > :40:03.we have to come to terms with as a species, because social media is not
:40:04. > :40:07.going away. It is an amazing invention. I think we need to come
:40:08. > :40:13.to terms with the fact that it is easy to be in authentic. We have
:40:14. > :40:18.often thought the Americans were more obsessed with appearance. If
:40:19. > :40:25.you look at their anchormen and women on TV they are immaculately
:40:26. > :40:32.groomed and beautiful. And even their politicians, JFK, Harold
:40:33. > :40:37.Wilson, Harold Macmillan. But if you look at this crop. Bernie Sanders
:40:38. > :40:41.gave Hillary Clinton a run for her money. Hillary Clinton herself.
:40:42. > :40:47.Donald Trump himself. So maybe they are not quite as obsessed as we
:40:48. > :40:54.thought. But I think what people are craving is authenticity. Trump, for
:40:55. > :40:59.his bizarre appearance, he feels like, people believe him. For
:41:00. > :41:03.someone who tells so many lies, people believe he represents
:41:04. > :41:07.something. Bernie Sanders seemed authentic as well, the boy from
:41:08. > :41:10.Brooklyn, with the Brooklyn accent seemed authentic for what he
:41:11. > :41:16.believed. Maybe part of Mrs Clinton's problem is that for many
:41:17. > :41:25.she does not seem so authentic. I guess. I don't get it. It seems like
:41:26. > :41:29.a no-brainer to me. The choice seems a no-brainer. I understand that she
:41:30. > :41:33.is widely hated and Shirov presents the status quo to a lot of people
:41:34. > :41:38.and they want someone who will come in and tip over the table and smash
:41:39. > :41:45.everything up. Are we to obsessed with appearance. I'm not sure about
:41:46. > :41:49.that. Maybe the advent of the selfie would suggest that we all are. It is
:41:50. > :41:53.interesting what you said about the characters. The lack of characters
:41:54. > :42:02.in some sense have put spitting image out of business. And now there
:42:03. > :42:06.is a new version... It is not as good. Maybe they bring it back
:42:07. > :42:09.because there are more characters. The bad thing about social media is
:42:10. > :42:13.that it enables people to lock themselves away in an echo chamber
:42:14. > :42:17.where you just follow and interact with people who are like you and
:42:18. > :42:24.agree with you and that is not the best thing in some senses. Is Chuka
:42:25. > :42:29.obsessed with his appearance? I have not studied him enough to know. Is
:42:30. > :42:35.Michael obsessed with his appearance? No, but he things about
:42:36. > :42:43.it. My man thinks about what he's wearing here. The echo chamber thing
:42:44. > :42:47.is true. The algorithm feeds you things it knows that you like. You
:42:48. > :42:52.see news stories you like and agree with and end up following people who
:42:53. > :42:56.are nodding in agreement. But there is a lot of virtue signalling.
:42:57. > :43:00.Liking something, following someone to signal how right and morally
:43:01. > :43:13.correct and virtuous you are. In that sense, your thing about
:43:14. > :43:21.authenticity is right. RUSI scruffy? At home I am just kicking back. Are
:43:22. > :43:32.you ever scruffy? I don't want to let you down on your show. That is
:43:33. > :43:38.an effort? Yes, this is nice... He looks like Charlie Brooker. Black
:43:39. > :43:43.Mirror was on Channel 4, and I remember enjoying it. Now coming on
:43:44. > :43:52.Netflix. That's right. It's a new series. We've moved to the cloud.
:43:53. > :43:59.Someone pulls a lever, I guess. It is going to appear at about 8am. But
:44:00. > :44:00.you can see it at any time. From eight o'clock in the morning,
:44:01. > :44:04.everywhere in the world. But not for us because it's bring
:44:05. > :44:08.a child migrant night at Lou Lou's. And given you have to be over 21
:44:09. > :44:12.to get in, we expect the place to be We leave you with some
:44:13. > :44:15.early Crimbo inspo. Hot off the Pravda press,
:44:16. > :44:42.Vlad's sexy 2017 calendar. # Dig the hair on my chest
:44:43. > :44:45.# Macho, macho man Dig my big thick moustache
:44:46. > :44:51.# I've got be be a mucho, mucho, macho, macho man
:44:52. > :44:54.# I've got to be a macho Big, broad shoulders
:44:55. > :45:09.# Dig my muscles I've got to be a macho man.#
:45:10. > :45:12.I'm investigating a worldwide illegal ivory trade that
:45:13. > :45:17.continues despite a ban imposed over 25 years ago.
:45:18. > :45:19.This scene's being played out all over Africa.
:45:20. > :45:25.Who's doing the killing, and who's doing the buying and selling?
:45:26. > :45:30.Can we stop the desire to own ivory from wiping out one of the