:00:00. > :01:02.And I begin by asking you to spare a thought for those of us trapped
:01:03. > :01:08.The country is awash with all manner of important political stories,
:01:09. > :01:14.from the Brexiteers missing ?350m for the NHS, to the capitulation
:01:15. > :01:17.of Remain's Project Fear, finally defeated by the relentless
:01:18. > :01:26.But all is not what it seems for we humble members
:01:27. > :01:31.Not when we have a Prime Minister who hardly ever comes out to play,
:01:32. > :01:33.and even when she does studiously avoids ever answering any questions.
:01:34. > :01:36.And a Leader of the Opposition who seems to have been Missing
:01:37. > :01:39.in Action since re-elected leader of his party, no longer savaged
:01:40. > :01:45.by the evil mainstream media but, worse, simply ignored by it.
:01:46. > :01:48.Now, it is true that once a week Mr Corbyn puts in an appearance
:01:49. > :01:51.at the Palace of Varieties across the road and lobs some
:01:52. > :01:55.But they're usually questions almost designed to generate absolutely no
:01:56. > :02:02.Like the posted workers' directive, which the PM has no
:02:03. > :02:06.intention of answering, even if she knew the answer.
:02:07. > :02:08.How's that ever going to make the front page
:02:09. > :02:10.of the Auchenshuggle Bugle, never mind lesser publications
:02:11. > :02:18.So I think now you can understand the hardships under which we labour
:02:19. > :02:20.and I can already feel waves of sympathy lapping
:02:21. > :02:25.Speaking of those who haven't had anything interesting to say
:02:26. > :02:28.since the relief of Mafeking, I'm joined on the sofa by two
:02:29. > :02:30.political veterans so long in the tooth they can't
:02:31. > :02:33.even hear the questions, much less answer them.
:02:34. > :02:37.I speak of course of #manontheleft, Alan AJ Johnson,
:02:38. > :02:48.For some intelligent analysis, we Michael Choo Choo Portillo.
:02:49. > :02:58.For some intelligent analysis, we also have Molly the dog and Iris.
:02:59. > :03:05.They are here to put their tuppence in. There they go. Your moment of
:03:06. > :03:08.the week. You would expect me to save the Lithuanian elections, in
:03:09. > :03:17.which the anti-immigration party triumphed. It turns out there are
:03:18. > :03:22.now 2.8 million people in Lithuania. 800,000 have emigrated in the last
:03:23. > :03:25.25 years. In the last 12 years, half of those who have emigrated have
:03:26. > :03:30.come to Britain. Those leaving the young and qualified. And the
:03:31. > :03:34.Lithuanians are fed up with it. And the party which stood on the anti
:03:35. > :03:38.immigration ticket has gone from nowhere to be the largest party in
:03:39. > :03:43.Lithuania. I simply want to say to you that the more we tip Europe like
:03:44. > :03:46.that, so that all the people from where the wages are a third of what
:03:47. > :03:51.they are in Britain tumble from those areas into Britain, the worse
:03:52. > :03:55.the situation will become. Free movement in Europe will not survive
:03:56. > :04:00.and Brexit is not the only issue. Well, I did not see that coming, I
:04:01. > :04:06.must confess. If you make Estonia your moment of the week... Everyone
:04:07. > :04:10.will have a political moment on Sunday when they turn the clocks
:04:11. > :04:15.back. Berizzo is an argument about whether we should do it or not. I
:04:16. > :04:20.found out this week that the Spanish, who have had no government
:04:21. > :04:24.since December 2015, despite a second general election, look like
:04:25. > :04:29.they will get one this week. And a major part of the coalition is to
:04:30. > :04:32.turn the clocks back. I found out, and Michael probably knows this,
:04:33. > :04:42.that Spain, which should be in Greenwich meantime, in 1942, Franco
:04:43. > :04:46.changed it to continental time as a gesture of solidarity to Hitler in
:04:47. > :04:51.Germany and it has been that way ever since. Portugal is still on
:04:52. > :04:55.Greenwich meantime. Now, this coalition has come together on the
:04:56. > :05:00.basis that they will change it back. And it is an advance in
:05:01. > :05:03.productivity. It will cut down the Spanish siesta. There is a real
:05:04. > :05:09.political issue about turning the clocks back. I didn't see that
:05:10. > :05:12.coming either. Me neither, and I said it. Have you finished? Fair
:05:13. > :05:14.enough. Now before I go any further tonight,
:05:15. > :05:17.I'd like to thank Alan and Michael for turning up in fancy dress
:05:18. > :05:20.costume and getting into the spirit Something you'd never
:05:21. > :05:24.wear in real life. Yes, Halloween has come
:05:25. > :05:26.round again, folks, which, in the May household,
:05:27. > :05:28.means no tricks, no treats. And in the Corbyn home
:05:29. > :05:30.the question is not trick Anyway, to cheer ourselves up,
:05:31. > :05:34.or to scare ourselves silly, we thought we'd bring
:05:35. > :05:36.back the Twelfie. We need you to take a picture
:05:37. > :05:40.of yourself with proof that you are watching the programme,
:05:41. > :05:43.and tweet it to us at #TWelfie. Make it spooky if you can,
:05:44. > :05:47.and we'll edit your pictures Now, are you afraid,
:05:48. > :05:54.very afraid, of Brexit? Well, according to ex-CBI boss
:05:55. > :05:59.Digby Jones, there have been some pretty scary Brexit horror
:06:00. > :06:02.stories peddled of late, So hold onto your duvet,
:06:03. > :06:08.grab your teddy bear and get ready to be scared,
:06:09. > :06:12.very, very scared. Because here's a special bedtime
:06:13. > :06:25.story. Let me tell you a story written
:06:26. > :06:36.by the ghosts and ghouls who wanted The end is nigh, for Britain
:06:37. > :06:49.as a successful economy. And what is worse,
:06:50. > :07:05.Marmite will vanish. It's made in Burton
:07:06. > :07:12.on Trent, for gods sake. And evidently foreign holidays
:07:13. > :07:14.are going to become more expensive. You've got to hand it
:07:15. > :07:22.to the scaremongering Actually, the falling sterling
:07:23. > :07:36.is marvellous news for British exporters, and that means jobs,
:07:37. > :07:39.and that means profits, paying tax, building
:07:40. > :07:43.schools and hospitals. We're exporting 5% more cars
:07:44. > :07:46.than we were a year ago. And today we've had some marvellous
:07:47. > :07:53.news for the British economy. It grew 0.5% just in the last three
:07:54. > :07:57.months since Brexit, and that's roughly what was forecast
:07:58. > :08:03.before Project Fear took hold. Companies like Nissan
:08:04. > :08:06.are committing to this country. And if banks are planning to leave,
:08:07. > :08:09.it's because we have one of the most stifling regulatory
:08:10. > :08:15.environments on the planet. It's time to exorcise those
:08:16. > :08:22.Remoaners' Brexit demons. This is a huge
:08:23. > :08:29.opportunity for Britain. That's why the third runway
:08:30. > :08:40.at Heathrow is so important. What we mustn't have
:08:41. > :08:43.is EU-lite, the single market. That means no control
:08:44. > :08:47.of our borders, submission to the European Court of Justice,
:08:48. > :08:51.and Brussels regulation. But we need access
:08:52. > :08:53.to the single market. What UK businesses, large and small,
:08:54. > :09:09.need, is certainty. There are going to be choppy waters
:09:10. > :09:12.ahead but they are going to be better than the Remoaners
:09:13. > :09:14.say they will. There is light at
:09:15. > :09:24.the end of the tunnel. Thank you to the very kind folk
:09:25. > :09:28.at Studio Sienko Gallery in Borough, London for opening the door
:09:29. > :09:43.to our trick or treaters. Welcome to the programme. Alan, you
:09:44. > :09:48.were on the side of the doom mongers. Do you accept that the
:09:49. > :09:52.short-term predictions turned out to be far too gloomy? Depends on the
:09:53. > :09:55.short-term predictions. I thought the Treasury over did it with some
:09:56. > :10:02.of the stuff they produced. There is a process to go through. We are not
:10:03. > :10:05.out of the EU yet. But they made short-term predictions about the
:10:06. > :10:10.aftermath of the vote, not the leaving itself. The Treasury words
:10:11. > :10:14.were that our short-term forecast is on the impact of a vote to leave.
:10:15. > :10:22.The Treasury said it would fall into recession in Q3 by either -0.1%, or
:10:23. > :10:31.up to 1%. That was never me, I never used those figures. But all of that
:10:32. > :10:36.is over. Hold on a minute. What I find strange is that the Leave side
:10:37. > :10:43.are over defensive about this. It's OK for Digby Jones to have his sunny
:10:44. > :10:47.optimism. He should have had Mr blue skies playing in the background
:10:48. > :10:51.rather than the doom music. Elected politicians cannot afford to be like
:10:52. > :10:56.that because as Digby Jones referred to, there are going to be difficult
:10:57. > :11:01.times ahead. Will we stay in the single market, in the customs union,
:11:02. > :11:08.or in both? We have not even got to the stage of invoking article 50. So
:11:09. > :11:14.this rerunning of the argument... The public have voted to leave. Of
:11:15. > :11:19.course. Are you telling me it doesn't matter that David Cameron
:11:20. > :11:21.said, vote Leave and you will tip us into an economic recession
:11:22. > :11:26.immediately, George Osborne said, we will face a year-long recession, we
:11:27. > :11:32.will lose 500,000 jobs immediately. The IMF said that a vote to leave as
:11:33. > :11:36.a trigger to recession. The Bank of England said, this will increase the
:11:37. > :11:41.risk of recession. The OECD said it could in the short-term take 1.25%
:11:42. > :11:46.of the GDP. All of that from your side and now you are telling us,
:11:47. > :11:51.forget this and none of it matters. I am not saying none of it matters.
:11:52. > :11:57.My argument is that access to the single market is crucial for our
:11:58. > :12:02.exporters, being in the customs union saves us an awful lot. We have
:12:03. > :12:06.to find a way through this, which is the job of the Prime Minister, and
:12:07. > :12:11.the three Musketeers, joined by Digby Jones now, the fourth
:12:12. > :12:14.musketeer. And it is serious business. Anyone who tells me that
:12:15. > :12:21.there is go into me no effect from this... Everything you said in that
:12:22. > :12:29.respect, I don't think I disagree. All I am asking for is that there is
:12:30. > :12:35.this amazing great remain sulk going on. Wherever you go and whatever you
:12:36. > :12:38.do, if you are Remainers in the establishment, they can't seem to
:12:39. > :12:43.leave it behind. A good example is the Financial Times. The Financial
:12:44. > :12:48.Times, a paper of record, quality reporting, on the front page, they
:12:49. > :12:51.almost delight, and the BBC is another, actually, they delight in
:12:52. > :12:56.stories which say, I told you so. And then the good stories, like
:12:57. > :13:01.today, Nissan, fabulous story. If you are working up there, great
:13:02. > :13:08.news. What's everything tonight, but, oh, dear, well, Mrs... Instead
:13:09. > :13:13.of saying, isn't this marvellous news. That is the purpose of my
:13:14. > :13:18.piece. To be fair to you, you were not going down that path. Allen is
:13:19. > :13:21.the wrong person to be the butt of this because Labour members of
:13:22. > :13:26.Parliament know that in many of their constituencies 70% of their
:13:27. > :13:29.supporters voted to leave. So Labour members of Parliament have to begin
:13:30. > :13:32.their sentence, as Alan Justin, saying, we accept what the British
:13:33. > :13:40.people said and we are going to leave the European Union. -- what
:13:41. > :13:44.Alan was just saying. The people who are liable are civil servants, Bank
:13:45. > :13:50.of England people and so on. I agree. To take the point about
:13:51. > :13:57.Nissan, our currency has decreed -- depreciated. The very worst case
:13:58. > :14:02.scenario is that we would pay a 10% tariff on our exports. I think that
:14:03. > :14:06.is extremely unlikely. The depreciation of sterling against the
:14:07. > :14:11.euro is a greater than that. If we had a 10% tariff, sterling would
:14:12. > :14:15.depreciate further. So people like Nissan are quids in. By
:14:16. > :14:19.manufacturing their cars in the Stirling area, they already have a
:14:20. > :14:25.tremendous export advantage. Maybe it is too soon to crow, Digby Jones.
:14:26. > :14:29.Next year could be much tougher. We have rising inflation which will eat
:14:30. > :14:33.into wage rises and could put a squeeze on living standards,
:14:34. > :14:37.consumer spending could fall. That would be bad for the economy.
:14:38. > :14:42.Despite the Nissan decision, the uncertainty is bound to cramp
:14:43. > :14:44.domestic investment and foreign direct investment. Next year could
:14:45. > :14:52.be tougher. Didn't I say my piece, choppy
:14:53. > :14:58.waters? Thert of these would happen if we voted to remain. I believe
:14:59. > :15:04.that the British people the core of what they were talking about was
:15:05. > :15:07.sovereignty. They talked about taking it from the judges in
:15:08. > :15:10.Brussels. They are actually saying we want to control, we want our
:15:11. > :15:16.democratically elected Government to control us, not somebody else from
:15:17. > :15:20.over there. Now, they have decided, almost sud blimly, there is a price
:15:21. > :15:28.to pay for that. You and I can have an argument about how big the price
:15:29. > :15:34.it is. I believe the sun lit uplands will
:15:35. > :15:37.come in five to ten years time. I can't find many people who believe
:15:38. > :15:44.that the Euro is going to survive. Most of the argument is about
:15:45. > :15:50.whether the Euro will collapse? I think it will, except they will
:15:51. > :15:55.before bail out Italy. If means the enduring economic crisis in Europe
:15:56. > :15:59.will continue longer. For as long as it does survive, the Spanish are in
:16:00. > :16:12.a terrible position. Manufacturing was down by 1 errs. %. It is 0.5%,
:16:13. > :16:14.it is better than predicted, it is 0.2% down than before we left the
:16:15. > :16:18.European Union. There is nothing there to crow about in the sense
:16:19. > :16:26.that we've got really difficult times ahead. I wish both you would
:16:27. > :16:31.use the word "Crow." Instead of the whole of the remoaners saying, "Told
:16:32. > :16:36.you so." No, you've done that? Can we talk about the single market for
:16:37. > :16:42.a second? Is it right that we can no longer be in the single market and
:16:43. > :16:48.that we're left with is as much access to the single market? When
:16:49. > :16:53.people said we want to stay in in, it is EU-lite, you are in it and you
:16:54. > :16:55.get all the benefits, but you submit to the European Court of Justice.
:16:56. > :17:00.You submit to Brussels regulation and you have no control over your
:17:01. > :17:08.borders. When we were members that was our fault. You hear it every day
:17:09. > :17:14.from people who voted to remain. All the MPs who voted to remain, they
:17:15. > :17:17.say, "We honoured the wish of the British people, but we will be in
:17:18. > :17:22.the single market." They may as well stay in the EU. Having given the way
:17:23. > :17:26.the vote went, we can be members of the single market, but the job of
:17:27. > :17:32.the Government is to get the best access it can get to the single
:17:33. > :17:38.market? Can you be, there is no war who are part of the single market,
:17:39. > :17:41.but not part of the Customs union and Norway interestingly in 1992
:17:42. > :17:46.when they had a referendum to say can't go in, they had a Plan B. They
:17:47. > :17:49.created the European Economic Area. We don't seem to have much idea.
:17:50. > :17:53.This is not about giving your negotiating hand away, of course,
:17:54. > :17:57.you don't do that, but you have a broad approach to what you're going
:17:58. > :18:01.to do here and part of that should not going to be, just going back to
:18:02. > :18:05.Nissan which is brilliant news in Sunderland, but they have had
:18:06. > :18:09.assurances and support, I would guess, that if the worst comes to
:18:10. > :18:14.theors and there is the common external tariff, the 10%, that
:18:15. > :18:18.Government has said we will sort it out for you. We're back to
:18:19. > :18:23.subsidising the car industry. Just a minute. So many people have
:18:24. > :18:31.commentated on this that have never been in business. The last thing the
:18:32. > :18:36.Nissan board want is any aSure hanss made with Government being made
:18:37. > :18:39.public knowledge. The problem, I heard people on Question Time
:18:40. > :18:44.saying, "We have a right to know." An hour ago that's what they were
:18:45. > :18:46.saying. I just wish more people who commented on business understood
:18:47. > :18:53.what they were talking about. Why don't we have a right to know, it is
:18:54. > :18:57.our money? It is our money, we have a right to know, don't we? I would
:18:58. > :19:00.suggest when the time came, we have every right to know and we should
:19:01. > :19:04.know, but not yet. It is so early, the trouble with democracy is that
:19:05. > :19:10.it expects instant answers, you know, you guys have been in it more
:19:11. > :19:14.than I have. If Government is doing deals with big business... This is a
:19:15. > :19:19.long haul. But if Government is doing deals with big business, don't
:19:20. > :19:25.we want to know? Governments all over the world do deals... In a
:19:26. > :19:32.democracy you have a right to know? They do deals in Brussels. They do
:19:33. > :19:36.that every day, don't they? It is not our money that's being spent...
:19:37. > :19:40.Well, you don't know. We don't know. What I'm trying to say, we are
:19:41. > :19:44.commenting on something that at this moment we would expect, I hope, a
:19:45. > :19:47.Government to be negotiating on in private and the problem with
:19:48. > :19:51.democracy, it expects instant answers. We're not going into
:19:52. > :19:56.problems with democracy, it is enough trying to deal with Brexit!
:19:57. > :19:57.Now, it's late, too-late-to-save-the-Great-British
:19:58. > :20:05.But don't despair because Michael's promised to cook up a tray
:20:06. > :20:07.of fondant fancies and Alan says his walnut whips.
:20:08. > :20:10.And if that's not enough to whet your appetitie then
:20:11. > :20:12.waiting in the wings is the Revererand Richard Coles,
:20:13. > :20:15.here to tell us how to construct a runway over a motorway,
:20:16. > :20:18.or maybe under it, which may be a bit of a porkie.
:20:19. > :20:20.And remember, you can contact us from beyond the grave
:20:21. > :20:22.on the Snap Numpty, the intergalactic websphere,
:20:23. > :20:25.the Twitter-drivel and the Fleece-bollocks.
:20:26. > :20:29.And if all of that is your cup of tea, remember to send us
:20:30. > :20:38.Now, here on This Week we take our health very seriously,
:20:39. > :20:40.which is why a daily flagon of Blue Nun is compulsory.
:20:41. > :20:46.But it's come to my attention that Michael has been looking
:20:47. > :20:52.so we sent the New Statesman's Helen Lewis to up his iron count for this
:20:53. > :21:07.They say you should never ask how a sausage is made and Theresa May
:21:08. > :21:15.The Prime Minister still won't be drawn on her negotiating strategy
:21:16. > :21:17.with the European Union, but she defended herself
:21:18. > :21:19.against Labour attacks that she's pursuing a hard Brexit
:21:20. > :21:25.In fact, she says, there is no such thing.
:21:26. > :21:27.The Right Honourable gentleman seems to think that
:21:28. > :21:30.all of these matters are binary decisions between either you're able
:21:31. > :21:32.to control immigration or you have some sort
:21:33. > :21:38.We are going to be ambitious for what we obtain for
:21:39. > :21:40.the United Kingdom and that means a good trade deal
:21:41. > :21:47.Unfortunately, to some, it felt as though May's offers had
:21:48. > :21:58.Many parts of the meeting were deeply frustrating because I felt
:21:59. > :22:00.as if we weren't getting any greater insight into the thinking
:22:01. > :22:10.Nicola Sturgeon there sharpening her meat cleaver over Europe.
:22:11. > :22:12.Also on the butcher's block this week, the Government's actions over
:22:13. > :22:19.Have they acted quickly enough in taking the wheeled refugees
:22:20. > :22:22.The Home Secretary, Amber Rudd, was in the Commons this week
:22:23. > :22:29.The Government has sought every opportunity to expedite the process
:22:30. > :22:36.My officials were only given access to the camp to interview children
:22:37. > :22:39.in the last week and similarly we have only recently received
:22:40. > :22:41.agreement from the French Government that we could bring
:22:42. > :22:50.But that didn't satisfy Labour's Diane Abbott
:22:51. > :22:52.who grilled her opposite number about the slow progress
:22:53. > :22:58.If the commentators, who are now suggesting that these
:22:59. > :23:00.young people should be treated like cattle and have
:23:01. > :23:07.had made as much noise about the Government's slowness
:23:08. > :23:11.in processing these child refugees in the first place we would not be
:23:12. > :23:20.Still, there was bold decisive action from the
:23:21. > :23:25.After 70 years and multiple delays, a third runway at Heathrow has
:23:26. > :23:36.Oh, I have no doubt there will be a runway.
:23:37. > :23:39.You just had to listen to the debate in Parliament yesterday.
:23:40. > :23:41.There is overwhelming support for what we announced yesterday.
:23:42. > :23:44.We have to go through the formal process to obey the laws that
:23:45. > :23:47.are there, but I'm confident this will happen and we'll deliver it
:23:48. > :23:51.There's only one thing wrong with Heathrow -
:23:52. > :23:52.it's dangerously close to several Cabinet Ministers constituencies
:23:53. > :23:55.and so Boris Johnson has been given special dispensation
:23:56. > :23:57.to make his beef for the project public.
:23:58. > :24:01.If and when a third runway were to be built, and I don't think
:24:02. > :24:04.it would be, but suppose it would be, there would be
:24:05. > :24:07.an overwhelming clamour to build a fourth runway as soon
:24:08. > :24:10.as it was completed and then what would London be like?
:24:11. > :24:13.You would have a New York, a city of beautiful skyscrapers,
:24:14. > :24:21.Paris a city of light and London the city of planes!
:24:22. > :24:24.Tory eco warrior Zac Goldsmith always said he'd resign
:24:25. > :24:26.if the decision went ahead and this week he didn't chicken out!
:24:27. > :24:32.He'll now stand in Richmond Park as an independent.
:24:33. > :24:34.The sheer complexity, the legal risks, the costs,
:24:35. > :24:38.means that Heathrow expansion is not going to get off the ground
:24:39. > :24:44.and I believe this will be a millstone around this
:24:45. > :24:47.Government's neck for many, many years to come.
:24:48. > :24:49.As you know, I have to honour my promise.
:24:50. > :24:52.So I've resigned as your member of Parliament and I'll be
:24:53. > :24:54.standing in the by-election as an independent candidate.
:24:55. > :25:00.# And on that farm he had some pigs.
:25:01. > :25:06.# With a knock, knock here, a knock, knock there.
:25:07. > :25:09.# And when those pigs got out of line, pork
:25:10. > :25:19.Hi, could I have that piece of steak, please?
:25:20. > :25:23.The Lib Dems see Richmond Park as a prime cut, after all it voting
:25:24. > :25:32.overwhelmingly to remain in the EU and with the Tories not standing
:25:33. > :25:35.a candidate, Tim Farron's party will be hoping to re-take this juicy
:25:36. > :25:39.sirloin of a seat which it lost in 2010.
:25:40. > :25:42.Now, Jeremy Corbyn's interventions might be rare,
:25:43. > :25:47.At Prime Minister's Questions he tried to skewer Theresa May
:25:48. > :25:59.So he moved on to asking about our relationship with Saudi Arabia.
:26:00. > :26:02.On the 28th October, there are elections again for the UN
:26:03. > :26:06.A UN panel has warned that Saudi Arabia's bombing of Yemen has
:26:07. > :26:08.Amnesty International says and I quote, "Executions
:26:09. > :26:14.Women are widely discriminated against and torture
:26:15. > :26:16.is common and Human Rights organisations are banned."
:26:17. > :26:22.So will her Government again be backing the Saudi dictatorship?
:26:23. > :26:24.Also returning to the spotlight was the Commons own Aberdeen
:26:25. > :26:28.Did he feel bad about kebabing his old mate Boris Johnson
:26:29. > :26:35.What were the mistake you made, do you think?
:26:36. > :26:38.Well, I think, I gave an interview to the Times in which I said
:26:39. > :26:41.I should either have paused and reflected before backing Boris
:26:42. > :26:43.or having backed Boris then stuck with him and then
:26:44. > :26:47.if I was going to break from him at the end I should have said
:26:48. > :26:49.I have an alternative view rather than passing any commentary
:26:50. > :26:57.Still Gove now has a position on the powerful Brexit Select
:26:58. > :26:58.Committee along with seven other Tory leavers.
:26:59. > :27:01.So any ministry that looks to be going soft on Europe will get
:27:02. > :27:12.Helen Lewis there, looking a little too comfortable
:27:13. > :27:14.with a sausage machine at the Hampstead Butcher
:27:15. > :27:32.Right, Heathrow, right or wrong decision? Right. Because? Because
:27:33. > :27:37.London and Britain need an airport that can compete with airports
:27:38. > :27:42.elsewhere in the world and you know, Istanbul is building a six runway at
:27:43. > :27:46.the moment and we're struggling to build a third runway. Right decision
:27:47. > :27:57.as I voted in Cabinet in January 2009! Harold Wilson mooted the idea
:27:58. > :28:01.in 1968. In all that time, Charles de Gaulle Airport has expanded and
:28:02. > :28:06.Istanbul opening soon with six runways. Right or wrong?
:28:07. > :28:10.Economically ronning and in climate change terms wrong. Why in climate
:28:11. > :28:14.change terms? We should be encouraging people to fly less. You
:28:15. > :28:18.know that's not going to happen. Look at Dubai Airport and you see
:28:19. > :28:23.the whole world moving through there and not just rich, white people
:28:24. > :28:30.either? That doesn't mean it is the wrong argument. Aircraft account for
:28:31. > :28:33.6% of CO2 emissions, the problem with Heathrow is the huge traffic
:28:34. > :28:37.potential of the cars that may end up going there. The Government had
:28:38. > :28:40.assume there will be a massive increase in electric vehicles and
:28:41. > :28:48.everybody, huge numbers will use public transport. Those are heroic
:28:49. > :28:51.assumptions? There are various constituencies who feel strongly
:28:52. > :28:59.about it as we had this weird note from your mum to get off games that
:29:00. > :29:03.just dean greening has got. Will it happen? Get the majority in
:29:04. > :29:06.Parliament, I don't think there is any doubt, a lot of Labour people
:29:07. > :29:11.are in favour of it, a lot of SNPs are going to vote for it too, but
:29:12. > :29:19.there is a massive planning process. There are environmental standards.
:29:20. > :29:23.There is going to be huge pro? I think given the build-up to this,
:29:24. > :29:30.the report and Theresa May pushing this back a year which actually is
:29:31. > :29:34.aa cute move, she is trying to defend herself against the judicial
:29:35. > :29:38.review. All of that will help. Yes, it will happen, unfortunately
:29:39. > :29:43.whereas Alistair Darling predicted this would be happening in 2015, our
:29:44. > :29:50.first white paper on that, I don't think it will happen until 2030.
:29:51. > :29:55.This by-election that's been triggered in Richmond Park, Zac
:29:56. > :29:59.Goldsmith, he fought and won two elections opposed to Heathrow.
:30:00. > :30:05.What's the point of calling a third on the same issue?
:30:06. > :30:10.He got trapped into the position of making the promise and is now
:30:11. > :30:16.reluctantly having to go through with it. He is a very nice person.
:30:17. > :30:20.He has been criticised in the last week for being so very low key, but
:30:21. > :30:25.I don't think that will be a disadvantage in the by-election. He
:30:26. > :30:31.is a man who is very well liked. I bumped into him the other day and
:30:32. > :30:36.was reminded how charming he is. Probably, his constituents will turn
:30:37. > :30:42.out for him. They might, but Richmond voted over 70% to Remain.
:30:43. > :30:49.Zac Goldsmith is a huge Euro-sceptic, voted to Leave.
:30:50. > :30:57.Heathrow will not happen for ten or 15 years. Brexit is happening now.
:30:58. > :31:01.If the Lib Dems grab this and make it a Brexit by-election, not a he
:31:02. > :31:08.throw by-election, you could lose. On paper, they need a 19.3% swing.
:31:09. > :31:13.They did get that in Witney, so it is eminently winnable. And it will
:31:14. > :31:17.come down to a two horse race. Labour will stand a candidate but
:31:18. > :31:21.that will not be part of it. The Lib Dems have a united Parliamentary
:31:22. > :31:27.party on the Brexit message and 48% of the country feel strongly about
:31:28. > :31:32.that. Quite a gamble in the end for Zac Goldsmith. It reminds me of
:31:33. > :31:36.David Davis. He resigned and it seemed an act of futility. Zac
:31:37. > :31:40.Goldsmith promised the electorate it was what he would do. But I presume
:31:41. > :31:46.all the other candidates will be anti-Heathrow. Although Labour's
:31:47. > :31:52.shadow spokesman, Andy Macdonald, is backing Heathrow and all the
:31:53. > :31:59.northern Labour MPs back it. The Lib Dems will certainly be opposed to a
:32:00. > :32:04.third runway. Their policy at the moment is against any runway
:32:05. > :32:10.expansion in the south-east. We have not seen you since Jeremy Corbyn got
:32:11. > :32:16.re-elected. Jolly nice to see you. On a scale of one to ten, ten being
:32:17. > :32:24.most delighted, how delighted are you? We have been through all that.
:32:25. > :32:28.It is over now. Just like the EU referendum, I am now committed to
:32:29. > :32:32.Britain leaving the EU and I am committed to Jeremy Corbyn leading
:32:33. > :32:36.us to victory at the next election. A recent poll had the Tories 18
:32:37. > :32:42.points ahead, but I would suggest that it does not really matter how
:32:43. > :32:46.bad it gets. As Alan says, Jeremy Corbyn will lead Labour into the
:32:47. > :32:51.next election. From the point of view of the members, absolutely. The
:32:52. > :32:55.really difficult thing for Labour is what issues are they united around?
:32:56. > :32:59.Those are the only ones they are getting a hearing on. The only one I
:33:00. > :33:07.can think of with Labour is grammar schools. They are managing to make
:33:08. > :33:11.some cut through on that. But apart from that, it is this spooky
:33:12. > :33:17.Halloween silence from Labour on a lot of issues. Is the Corbyn camp
:33:18. > :33:21.worried that rather than being attacked by the mainstream media
:33:22. > :33:26.they are now just being ignored by it? I don't think they are worried
:33:27. > :33:33.and I think that is a problem. Sometimes you see their adviser
:33:34. > :33:40.fighting the leadership election again. As you were saying, it is
:33:41. > :33:44.time for everybody to move on. Corbyn won decisively. He does not
:33:45. > :33:49.need to defeat the PLP any more, he needs to defeat the Tories. Diane
:33:50. > :33:54.Abbott said she is ashamed to be British because of talk of checking
:33:55. > :34:00.the age of migrants who claimed to be unaccompanied minors. RUSI? Did
:34:01. > :34:05.she say that. There was one Welsh MP who said that. I did not hear
:34:06. > :34:11.anybody sensible saying that at all. That we should not check their age?
:34:12. > :34:16.To check their teeth to see their age. That was one renegade Tory
:34:17. > :34:23.backbencher. No one of any stature has suggested that. So you are not
:34:24. > :34:28.ashamed? It is not as if the British state has said they are going to
:34:29. > :34:33.check teeth. There was broad consensus in this country, even in
:34:34. > :34:40.the anti-immigrant mood at the moment, that unaccompanied minors,
:34:41. > :34:44.we should bring them in from Calais in decent numbers and do it well.
:34:45. > :34:50.And yet, as a result of the argument over the age of some of them, and
:34:51. > :34:54.other things, it has become muddied. People are wondering if what they
:34:55. > :34:57.wanted to happen is actually happening, or something different.
:34:58. > :35:03.Is it another Home Office clock up? It appears to be. We saw Amber Rudd
:35:04. > :35:08.blaming it on the French, probably not the best tactic at the moment. I
:35:09. > :35:14.think the British people's reaction is rational. Adults who have arrived
:35:15. > :35:18.in Calais did not arrive to Calais, they came from somewhere else. They
:35:19. > :35:23.have chosen to go to Calais because they want to come to the UK, but
:35:24. > :35:27.they can apply for asylum in France, or can move to Germany or anywhere
:35:28. > :35:31.else in the Schengen area. They may have fled from terrible things,
:35:32. > :35:34.maybe not, but they are certainly not fleeing terrible things at the
:35:35. > :35:39.moment. The only vulnerable people in Calais potentially are minors.
:35:40. > :35:45.And those minors should be allowed to come to this country. But when
:35:46. > :35:49.the Home Office began to make a mess of it, bringing over adults who were
:35:50. > :35:56.perhaps claiming to be minors, they covered their heads and began to put
:35:57. > :35:58.up tarpaulins in Croydon outside their headquarters in order to
:35:59. > :36:04.literally cover up the mess they were making. It is amazing that the
:36:05. > :36:09.Prime Minister has not got it more in the neck. But Amber Rudd, I
:36:10. > :36:13.think, was slightly hung out to dry. In the referendum, we saw that the
:36:14. > :36:17.British people do not quite trust the elite when it comes to
:36:18. > :36:22.immigration. I would suggest the danger of what happened here is that
:36:23. > :36:25.it fuels test trust. There is clearly a problem that some people
:36:26. > :36:30.who are overage have snuck through the system. But you would expect
:36:31. > :36:34.that, in any system like that there will always be people who will game
:36:35. > :36:39.it. What I see is a cynical attempt to say, look, they are all over 18.
:36:40. > :36:43.To turn people against child refugees by saying they are all on
:36:44. > :36:46.the fiddle. In the same way, there are small rates of benefit fraud and
:36:47. > :36:54.it is done in a way to say that everyone is on benefit fraud. And
:36:55. > :36:59.the figures show that of the 550 who came in as unaccompanied minors,
:37:00. > :37:05.well over 60% were over age. There will obviously be some people. That
:37:06. > :37:10.is a majority. But the Czechs are working, that tells you. It was
:37:11. > :37:14.after they came in. In that case, the system should be strengthened,
:37:15. > :37:17.but I think there is a problem about the fact that we are told this is a
:37:18. > :37:20.rationale for it being OK to not care about refugees. We have only
:37:21. > :37:25.agreed to take 3000. Thank you. Now, the world is undergoing
:37:26. > :37:26.massive transformation. Keith "let's get this party started"
:37:27. > :37:30.Vaz is back on a select committee. Donald Trump's star is obliterated
:37:31. > :37:33.from the Hollywood Walk of Fame. And Brexit means foie gras is off
:37:34. > :37:38.the menu at Annabel's. But here in the This Week broom
:37:39. > :37:41.cupboard, whether it's Michael's perma-tan or Alan's endless efforts
:37:42. > :37:44.to dress like an extra from Quadrophenia, time
:37:45. > :37:50.continues to stand still. That's why we're putting "change"
:37:51. > :38:02.in this week's spotlight. Theresa May once criticised plans
:38:03. > :38:10.for a third runway at Heathrow. Nobody is going to take this
:38:11. > :38:12.government seriously But she changed her mind on Tuesday,
:38:13. > :38:18.as her government committed to building one, much
:38:19. > :38:21.to the disappointment of some The Prime Minister wasn't
:38:22. > :38:30.the only Tory MP to rethink But does Nigel Adams' change
:38:31. > :38:38.of heart mirror a wider transformation in attitudes
:38:39. > :38:42.towards gay marriage. Not for Christian bakers in Belfast
:38:43. > :38:45.who lost a discrimination case on Monday for refusing to bake
:38:46. > :38:48.a cake bearing a message of support It's all change for another
:38:49. > :38:58.set of dough punchers. After attracting a record audience
:38:59. > :39:01.for its final BBC show, Great British Bake Off swaps
:39:02. > :39:13.to Channel 4 with a changed line-up. From pop star to vicar,
:39:14. > :39:15.Reverend Richard Coles And Reverend Richard
:39:16. > :39:37.Coles is with us now. Welcome to the programme. We often
:39:38. > :39:40.think of our own country as being Conservative, resistant to change,
:39:41. > :39:45.the long history we look back on. But if you look at the way the
:39:46. > :39:48.country was 20 years ago, 30 years ago, we have gone through massive
:39:49. > :39:54.changes, and most of them probably for the better. Yes, although it can
:39:55. > :39:59.go either way, but it has been a dynamic past 30 years, particularly
:40:00. > :40:07.where I have been aware of what has been going on. And social attitudes
:40:08. > :40:10.have changed. Hugely, particularly in areas like sexuality, for
:40:11. > :40:15.example. The country is unrecognisable. It used to be that
:40:16. > :40:23.80% said there was nothing good to be said about gay relationships, and
:40:24. > :40:30.now it is 20%. Why do you think we have become more accepting of
:40:31. > :40:37.change? Why do you think we take change more in our stride than
:40:38. > :40:42.before? It is a mixed picture. Some change we manage quite well. I think
:40:43. > :40:46.attitudes towards homosexuality, for example, changed partly because we
:40:47. > :40:49.just got a much broader range of people doing it in the 1980s,
:40:50. > :40:54.particularly through popular culture. Civil partnerships had a
:40:55. > :40:58.huge impact. Suddenly a generation of people who might have had
:40:59. > :41:01.negative attitudes saw civil partnerships and thought, I get
:41:02. > :41:08.that, it is per sector and a slice of cake. Although we have had the
:41:09. > :41:14.Belfast cake business coming back to the Court and being resolved against
:41:15. > :41:21.the Bakers, would it be going too far to say that for most people it
:41:22. > :41:25.is not even a matter of controversy? To be unremarkable is not a bad
:41:26. > :41:29.ambition for people who have been involved in gay activism for the
:41:30. > :41:35.past 30 years. You have gone through big changes in your life from doing
:41:36. > :41:40.what you did, doing what you do now. Did it come easily? Looking at my
:41:41. > :41:45.efforts in video in the 1980s, obviously there is a vicar
:41:46. > :41:49.struggling to get out! Yes, in some ways a dramatic change from Top of
:41:50. > :41:55.the Pops to the pulp it, but in other ways, continuities. Still
:41:56. > :41:57.dressing up, still performing, still working strange hours. The
:41:58. > :42:05.remuneration is not what it was, but you know. What is the biggest change
:42:06. > :42:08.you have gone through? The biggest change in my lifetime is the
:42:09. > :42:15.attitude towards people from other countries. I grew up through the
:42:16. > :42:19.Notting Hill race riots. Room to let, no Blacks, no Irish, no dogs.
:42:20. > :42:28.It is inconceivable that was happening just 50 years ago. I wish
:42:29. > :42:33.you had not said no dogs! What is the biggest change? I think that is.
:42:34. > :42:36.It has been a global phenomenon. The Irish voted by an enormous
:42:37. > :42:40.percentage in favour of gay marriage. With the Catholic church
:42:41. > :42:44.which has been so strongly embedded in their society and government.
:42:45. > :42:49.Spain, another Catholic country, voted for gay marriage as well. We
:42:50. > :42:56.have not been an island in this, in any respect. We are not even in the
:42:57. > :42:59.lead. Many people criticise David Cameron for going for gay marriage.
:43:00. > :43:03.How ridiculous he would have looked if he had tried to hold out against
:43:04. > :43:08.it while all these other movements were going on across the world. How
:43:09. > :43:11.interesting it was a Tory Prime Minister who brought that in.
:43:12. > :43:18.Standing on the shoulders of giants, but so surprising. The Lib Dems will
:43:19. > :43:24.tell you it was them who encouraged it. It might be in Nick Clegg's
:43:25. > :43:28.book. Howard is that the Tories... I imagine many gay people are natural
:43:29. > :43:34.Tories, so why would the Tories go out of their way to make gay people
:43:35. > :43:37.vote against them in every election? Many Hispanics are natural
:43:38. > :43:40.Republicans in America, and Mr Trump has managed to make sure he will not
:43:41. > :43:49.get many of their votes. What are you up to? With my life? I am trying
:43:50. > :43:53.to be a vicar and fitted around also having a media career, too. I am
:43:54. > :44:00.broadcasting and writing a book at the moment. It is an attempt,
:44:01. > :44:07.following the example of great parson diarists, to try and give an
:44:08. > :44:11.account of the real texture and grain of trying to sustain a parish
:44:12. > :44:13.priest ministry in a Britain which reflects precisely the changes we
:44:14. > :44:16.were talking about. Thank you. That's your lot for tonight
:44:17. > :44:19.but not for us, folks, because it's Ukip hustings night
:44:20. > :44:21.at Lou Lou's and Nigel Farage is in the chair to ensure fair play,
:44:22. > :44:25.and short the currency during any We can't wait to get
:44:26. > :44:28.there because there's bound to be a punch up, and proof
:44:29. > :44:32.positive that people Don't let these
:44:33. > :44:36.trolling TWelfies bite.