:00:08. > :00:09.Choose life, choose Facebook, Twitter, Instagram, and hope that
:00:10. > :00:16.Choose the special relationship, choose Theresa, choose Donald,
:00:17. > :00:18.choose the wall, choose your facts, choose alternatives, choose America.
:00:19. > :00:26.Choose the potential US ambassador to the EU, Ted Malloch.
:00:27. > :00:29.It's significant that President Trump has chosen
:00:30. > :00:34.Prime Minister May as his first foreign visitor to
:00:35. > :00:43.Choose looking back at referendums, wishing you'd
:00:44. > :00:49.Choose Brexit, choose the courts, choose the people, choose Trident.
:00:50. > :00:58.Choose the Spectator's Isabel Hardman.
:00:59. > :01:00.With Corbyn's shambolic performance at Prime Minister's Questions,
:01:01. > :01:02.running for the hills must be looking pretty good
:01:03. > :01:07.You're a politics addict, so embrace it, go all out.
:01:08. > :01:11.And if that doesn't work, choose comedian Bridget Christie
:01:12. > :01:30.Choose Newsnight, choose Question Time, don't choose This Week.
:01:31. > :01:32.Choose a zero-hours chat show, a mind-numbing,
:01:33. > :01:36...that's only mildly better than reality TV.
:01:37. > :01:39.Choose Portillo, choose Johnson, choose BBC One, choose an unknown
:01:40. > :01:51.Who needs reason when you have This Week?
:01:52. > :01:54.Evenin' all, welcome to This Week, the show which regularly misfires
:01:55. > :01:59.and heads off in the wrong direction but which is on so late nobody can
:02:00. > :02:04.Instead there's a plan to twin us with the Trident Missile.
:02:05. > :02:07.Speaking of loose cannons, Prime Minister May's finger is now
:02:08. > :02:10.hovering over the trigger for Article 50.
:02:11. > :02:12.Who knows what direction that could go in?
:02:13. > :02:14.After weeks of insisting she didn't need a White Paper
:02:15. > :02:18.to give her Brexit directions, on Wednesday she announced, yes,
:02:19. > :02:23.The U-turn caught Jeremy Corbyn on the hop; his prepared attack
:02:24. > :02:27.for PMQs terminated on take-off and reduced to a little heap
:02:28. > :02:34.I'm told that over in the colonies, The Donald is rather jealous
:02:35. > :02:37.of all the fun the Brits are having with missiles, take-offs
:02:38. > :02:40.and terminations and is getting itchy fingers.
:02:41. > :02:43.Even though they are only very little itchy fingers,
:02:44. > :02:46.let's hope he confines them to his Twitter account
:02:47. > :02:48.and not to the nuclear codes or our own dear PM,
:02:49. > :02:53.Speaking of malfunctioning hardware that should have been
:02:54. > :02:55.decommissioned years ago, I'm joined on the sofa tonight
:02:56. > :02:58.by two guests who've never been successfully tested
:02:59. > :03:04.I speak of course of Michael #choochoo Portillo and Alan
:03:05. > :03:19.Your moment of the week? The one to which you have been valued in
:03:20. > :03:25.throughout your introduction, the misfiring of the missile. I have
:03:26. > :03:28.found it impossible to imagine circumstances in which a British
:03:29. > :03:32.Prime Minister would be permitted by the United States or would choose to
:03:33. > :03:36.fire the nuclear deterrent. But now that you don't know whether it will
:03:37. > :03:42.go to Moscow or Miami, it is even less probable. Which would you
:03:43. > :03:46.prefer it to go to? It is even less probable that a Prime Minister will
:03:47. > :03:50.fire it. If there were any rationality in the world, the money
:03:51. > :03:53.that will be spent on this will be redirected to weapons we would
:03:54. > :03:57.actually use, which would enable us to make a valuable contribution to
:03:58. > :04:01.the Nato alliance. At the moment, I think we make an insufficient
:04:02. > :04:05.contribution. Thank you for pre-empting our discussion for
:04:06. > :04:11.later, giving us time for something else. I can't say that it is
:04:12. > :04:19.anything other than the publication today of the European Union
:04:20. > :04:27.withdrawal from act 2017 which had its first reading today. It only
:04:28. > :04:30.took a moment to read it. Leave out the long title, together with the
:04:31. > :04:37.short title at the bottom, it is bang on 100 words. So I suppose
:04:38. > :04:42.never has such a short document... It is a short fuse that will lead to
:04:43. > :04:44.a big political explosion. Brevity is compassionate in these
:04:45. > :04:47.circumstances. Probably. So not yet a full week
:04:48. > :04:50.of Donald Trump and we've already had one wall,
:04:51. > :04:52.two pipelines, a massive Pacific trade deal aborted,
:04:53. > :04:54.abortions abroad no longer to be financed with federal dollars,
:04:55. > :04:56.a federal hiring freeze, the dismantling of Obamacare begun,
:04:57. > :05:00.3-5 million illegal voters conjured up from nowhere,
:05:01. > :05:04.just like the record crowds he claims were on the Washington
:05:05. > :05:09.Mall for his Inauguration Speech. An obsession with size can clearly
:05:10. > :05:21.make you delusional. Yes, I thought so -
:05:22. > :05:26.not quite so busy. All that and he's still got his
:05:27. > :05:29.meeting with Theresa May Here to offer some clarity
:05:30. > :05:35.is the man who would be Trump's ambassador to the EU,
:05:36. > :05:37.Ted Malloch, with his # She's washed and polished
:05:38. > :05:46.and full of high octane. # Riding with the top down,
:05:47. > :05:54.cruising in the fast lane. # Red hair's blowing
:05:55. > :05:58.as bright as a flame. The good times are back again
:05:59. > :06:05.for two great nations. After nearly a decade adrift, a man
:06:06. > :06:09.who understands our shared history, values and aspirations,
:06:10. > :06:13.is in the driving This marks a huge opportunity
:06:14. > :06:19.for both Britain and America to celebrate and renew that
:06:20. > :06:26.classic, special relationship. There's every reason that
:06:27. > :06:29.Theresa May and Donald Trump should It's not insignificant that she's
:06:30. > :06:33.the first foreign leader Once they've broken the ice
:06:34. > :06:39.and established some chemistry, there's every reason to believe
:06:40. > :06:41.they can get on with There's enthusiasm in Team Trump
:06:42. > :06:49.to deal with this issue quickly and it could aid in a swift,
:06:50. > :06:53.hard exit for Britain on more The visit will provide
:06:54. > :07:16.an opportunity to reassert But the world has not stood
:07:17. > :07:23.still since 1949 and NATO will have to step up and modify in order
:07:24. > :07:29.to meet the new threats. That means that member states
:07:30. > :07:33.are going to have to pay their fair share and not free ride
:07:34. > :07:39.on the American defence budget. Countries like France,
:07:40. > :07:42.Germany and Luxembourg are simply Finally, we need to start planning
:07:43. > :07:55.for a return state visit so that President Trump can meet the Queen
:07:56. > :08:00.this summer, putting the special Thank you to our pals
:08:01. > :08:13.at LA Stretch Limos based in Essex for the loan
:08:14. > :08:19.of their redilicious 1962 cadillac. I'll be ready for my home
:08:20. > :08:24.journey in about half hour. Ted Malloch, who is currently
:08:25. > :08:26.professor of strategic leadership and governance
:08:27. > :08:41.at Henley Business Welcome to the programme. Do we have
:08:42. > :08:45.any idea what Donald Trump means by the special relationship? Well, I
:08:46. > :08:50.think he thinks it's special, which means he has some historical view of
:08:51. > :08:53.what has transpired before. But I think he is looking for new
:08:54. > :09:01.chemistry between himself and Mrs May. Is he genuinely pro-British,
:09:02. > :09:07.sympathetic to Britain in a way that Mr Obama might not have been? It is
:09:08. > :09:13.a contrast between day and night. His mother was born in Stornoway.
:09:14. > :09:19.Her favourite person was the Queen. Donald Trump loves Great Britain.
:09:20. > :09:22.Mrs May spoke tonight in Philadelphia to a convention of
:09:23. > :09:27.Republican congressional politicians, and she even talked
:09:28. > :09:33.about a new special relationship, a new age of Anglo-American
:09:34. > :09:38.leadership. Is it not risky to rely too much on a President who is
:09:39. > :09:43.widely regarded as a bit of a loose cannon? Yes. I think it is a sign of
:09:44. > :09:48.the vulnerability that she senses about herself. She feels pretty
:09:49. > :09:52.isolated on the European issue and obviously thinks it very important
:09:53. > :09:56.to be close to the United States. There is a risk while she is there
:09:57. > :10:00.that she will be asked whether she agrees with the President on his
:10:01. > :10:06.views on trade, on immigration, on torture. And on none of those things
:10:07. > :10:10.does she agree. And it would be quite deft of her to voice her
:10:11. > :10:18.disagreement without, as it were, blowing the visit out of the water.
:10:19. > :10:21.She wants to cement Anglo American relations on defence, intelligence.
:10:22. > :10:27.She wants to open the way to a free-trade deal. Many people here,
:10:28. > :10:29.particularly on the left and centre left, want her to lecture the
:10:30. > :10:35.President about the wall, water boarding, women's rights. Should she
:10:36. > :10:40.succumbed to that? She should definitely not get into the business
:10:41. > :10:45.of lecturing the President. But she will find it difficult not to answer
:10:46. > :10:49.questions on these subjects. And she will not want to antagonise the
:10:50. > :10:53.President. Neither will she particularly want the President, if
:10:54. > :10:59.he voices his enthusiasm for Brexit, to go on and say he would welcome
:11:00. > :11:04.the demise of the European Union. Apparently our position is that
:11:05. > :11:07.whilst we think it's such a ridiculous organisation that we are
:11:08. > :11:12.happy to withdraw from it, we nonetheless would like this
:11:13. > :11:18.ridiculous organisation to survive. As she said in her Lancaster speech.
:11:19. > :11:26.And she said the same in a call to Mrs Merkel. It is a tricky one for
:11:27. > :11:31.Mrs May, not easy. But if you have in the Oval Office someone who is
:11:32. > :11:35.pro-British, pro-Brexit, who seems enthusiastic about the special
:11:36. > :11:38.relationship, it is hard for a British Prime Minister not to take
:11:39. > :11:44.advantage of that. Of course, she had to go. But she had been Home
:11:45. > :11:48.Secretary for every long time, meaning she had close relationships
:11:49. > :11:53.with the American security services. And they will be mostly the same
:11:54. > :11:56.people. In particular the water boarding, the torture comments
:11:57. > :12:02.today, that is very important. Because the British and American
:12:03. > :12:07.services work so closely together and cooperate. We couldn't do that
:12:08. > :12:14.if there was torture. He said he would not do it either. He said he
:12:15. > :12:20.will take advice. From two people who are against it. In a sense,
:12:21. > :12:23.today it was classic Trump. He played to his base by saying, if it
:12:24. > :12:31.was up to me, I would do it because I think it works, but he said he
:12:32. > :12:39.would listen to the director of the CIA, who has said not to do it. They
:12:40. > :12:43.have said it does not work, which is the best advice. Mr Trump said it
:12:44. > :12:48.did, on advice that we do not know where it was sourced from. We know
:12:49. > :12:55.it has worked on occasions. Is there an occasion when you would use an
:12:56. > :12:59.extreme form of interrogation? I want to stick with some wider
:13:00. > :13:06.subjects tonight. Is a free-trade deal with the UK, a bilateral US- UK
:13:07. > :13:12.free-trade deal, is that a priority for Mr Trump? I think it is. He has
:13:13. > :13:15.gone out of his way to say this is something he wants to achieve, and
:13:16. > :13:21.he is willing to do it in record time. He has invited her over
:13:22. > :13:27.primarily for this reason, and it meets Britain, frankly, at its time
:13:28. > :13:31.of greatest need. He is also pro-Brexit, which is a total change
:13:32. > :13:39.from anyone who has been in the Oval Office. He has no enthusiasm for EU
:13:40. > :13:44.integration. You noticed? And he is not the big friend of the Germans or
:13:45. > :13:50.Mrs Merkel either. He has said some things about Germany that have
:13:51. > :13:55.caused concern in those circles. Is he prepared to expend political
:13:56. > :14:03.capital to help Britain in Brexit? I think he is. He doesn't like a
:14:04. > :14:07.supranational organisation that is unelected, where bureaucrats run a
:14:08. > :14:11.mock, that is not, frankly, if proper democracy. If we start down
:14:12. > :14:18.the road of doing a free-trade deal with America, and we cannot conclude
:14:19. > :14:24.one until Brexit is over, but we could do heads of agreement and
:14:25. > :14:28.outline what it would be, wouldn't the EU then look churlish if it
:14:29. > :14:32.didn't say, yes, we will do a free-trade deal, too.
:14:33. > :14:38.I suppose so. I don't think it will happen like that. There could be a
:14:39. > :14:42.deal done quickly. Queens Park Rangers could end up winning the
:14:43. > :15:00.hundredship and win every game 6-0 from now on. -- the Championship. We
:15:01. > :15:05.export ?240 billion worth of goods to the European Union. We export ?30
:15:06. > :15:10.billion worth of goods to America. Now, our nearest and biggest market
:15:11. > :15:15.has to be a priority for us to maintain what we've already got
:15:16. > :15:20.before we go off into some adventure pie-in-the-sky reports We want a
:15:21. > :15:24.trade deal with the EU. I want a trade deal with America but the
:15:25. > :15:28.thought that Donald Trump is somehow going to help us by doing a free
:15:29. > :15:33.trade deal before we have gone through the process of article 50
:15:34. > :15:42.and renegotiate our way back into the nearest and dearest market. Does
:15:43. > :15:47.having Donald Trump in The Oval office strengthen the negotiating
:15:48. > :15:50.power? To a certain point it does. This is unknown terrain for us. We
:15:51. > :15:55.have never had a President who's understood our position in the
:15:56. > :16:00.European Union before. However, if he voices the sort of analysis that
:16:01. > :16:03.Ted has just voiced with which I don't disagree about the European
:16:04. > :16:06.Union, there is a danger, of course, that our European partners will
:16:07. > :16:10.assume that Mrs May is really just like Donald Trump, that is to say
:16:11. > :16:14.that she really wants to bring down the European Union in which case
:16:15. > :16:21.that would make our negotiating position more difficult. What do you
:16:22. > :16:25.mean by "our position"? Previous American Presidents have understood
:16:26. > :16:29.our position. What I meant was our position of discomfort within the
:16:30. > :16:34.European Union. This is a watershed change and I wonder if something
:16:35. > :16:38.happens today. Am I right in thinking that Mrs Merkel said she'd
:16:39. > :16:42.go at short notice to see Mr Trump and he hasn't even replied yet to
:16:43. > :16:47.give her a date? I think she's anxious to see him and he's got a
:16:48. > :16:51.cool approach to the Germans and he's said some things, both about
:16:52. > :16:57.the euro and the way that the European Union has tilted towards
:16:58. > :17:02.Germany so I'm sure it's raised eyebrows, if not antagonisms in
:17:03. > :17:08.Berlin. Maybe the Germans want her to be an intermediary, an adversary.
:17:09. > :17:15.She's going to Turkey next. Mrs Merkel? Mrs May. Why would you want
:17:16. > :17:25.to be US Ambassador to the EU, you are clearly not a great fan of
:17:26. > :17:28.Brussels like Jean-Claude Juncker? I helped bring down the Soviet Union,
:17:29. > :17:35.maybe there's another union that needs a little taming. It's only the
:17:36. > :17:38.British who believe an ambassador from one country to another has to
:17:39. > :17:41.take on the point of view of the country to which he's sent, rather
:17:42. > :17:47.than the point of view of the country which is sending him.
:17:48. > :17:52.Unusual to send an ambassador to a country which you are being sent to.
:17:53. > :18:00.I want the ambassador to represent the country, not the EU. What do you
:18:01. > :18:04.think of Mr Juncker? He was an adequate Mayor and maybe should go
:18:05. > :18:08.back to Luxembourg and do that again. This is clearly going to be a
:18:09. > :18:13.very diplomatic appointment. Will you keep in touch with us? Keep in
:18:14. > :18:17.touch with Nigel Farage. This is going to be more fun than
:18:18. > :18:19.Washington. I think so. Thank you for being with us. Next time we'll
:18:20. > :18:23.have to call you Mr Ambassador. Now it's late, Labour MPs waiting up
:18:24. > :18:26.in the middle of the night But don't you succumb
:18:27. > :18:29.to their suicidal tendencies. Because waiting in the wings
:18:30. > :18:32.is baby hating comedian So come have a giggle,
:18:33. > :18:37.take to Facepants, Snapjokes and settle down to the world's
:18:38. > :18:39.finest Twitter-tainment. It's been anther tricky
:18:40. > :18:43.old week for Jeremy Corbyn. The whips aren't whipping,
:18:44. > :18:47.the Labour mayor of London has turned on him, there's been another
:18:48. > :18:49.Shadow Cabinet resignation and, not the for first time,
:18:50. > :18:55.PMQs was less than a triumph for the Leader of Her
:18:56. > :18:58.Majesty's Opposition. Take a look around our studio
:18:59. > :19:08.and you will soon realise that doomed political careers can lead
:19:09. > :19:12.to fantastic careers in television. How long can it be before
:19:13. > :19:17.old ChooChoo's slow trains to nowhere are bumped off
:19:18. > :19:20.the schedules to make way for Jezza's 36-part
:19:21. > :19:27.guide to manhole covers? Here with the political
:19:28. > :19:30.round up of the week # You're willing to
:19:31. > :19:47.sacrifice our love.# Andrew's ordered an ice sculpture
:19:48. > :19:50.for the This Week studio. I think he's trying
:19:51. > :19:56.to class up the joint. But in this post Brexit economy,
:19:57. > :20:03.all of us are going to have to learn new skills,
:20:04. > :20:05.even us hacks. The PM started the week by launching
:20:06. > :20:12.a new industrial strategy, all about carving out
:20:13. > :20:18.a new future post-Brexit. It's about saying, what are our
:20:19. > :20:21.strengths, as we come out We're coming together as a country,
:20:22. > :20:28.we are forging our future, shaping a new future for the UK
:20:29. > :20:31.as a global Britain. Key to that future will be
:20:32. > :20:34.a trade deal with the US. The PM's been preparing to fly off,
:20:35. > :20:38.freezing fog permitting, Best gloss over the embarrassing
:20:39. > :20:44.revelation that HMS Vengeance accidentally fired a Trident missile
:20:45. > :20:48.at the US. The government's actually been
:20:49. > :20:51.getting pretty good at not The Defence Secretary categorically
:20:52. > :20:57.refused to say when the PM The previous Prime Minister and this
:20:58. > :21:07.Prime Minister were of course informed about the maintenance
:21:08. > :21:11.of the nuclear deterrent and the outcome of the test
:21:12. > :21:14.and the successful return of HMS But the story of the week
:21:15. > :21:22.was Brexit, and the Supreme Court's decision that MPs must get a vote
:21:23. > :21:28.before triggering Article 50. Lawyer and activist
:21:29. > :21:33.Gina Miller declared victory Only Parliament can grant rights
:21:34. > :21:41.to the British people and only No Prime Minister, no
:21:42. > :21:48.government can expect to be The Brexit secretary said
:21:49. > :22:04.legislation would be laid within days but it
:22:05. > :22:07.wouldn't change anything. It's not about whether or not the UK
:22:08. > :22:15.should leave the European Union. That decision has already been made
:22:16. > :22:21.by the people of the United Kingdom. We will work with colleagues in both
:22:22. > :22:24.Houses to ensure this bill is passed in good time for us to invoke
:22:25. > :22:27.Article 50 by the end Labour said proper legislation
:22:28. > :22:32.wouldn't be possible Labour accepts and respects
:22:33. > :22:36.the referendum result and will not But we will be seeking to lay
:22:37. > :22:43.amendments to ensure proper scrutiny and accountability
:22:44. > :22:46.throughout the process. That starts, Mr Speaker,
:22:47. > :22:51.with a White Paper or plan. The SNP, cross that the devolved
:22:52. > :22:56.administrations were being frozen out and wouldn't get a vote
:22:57. > :23:00.on the matter, renewed If we are now being told
:23:01. > :23:04.that Scotland's voice simply doesn't matter,
:23:05. > :23:07.that it will not be listened to, not just that it is not enforceable
:23:08. > :23:11.in the courts but it is not going to be politically listened to,
:23:12. > :23:13.then that raises a really The Lib Dems cried "stitch up"
:23:14. > :23:21.and said they would oppose the bill without a referendum,
:23:22. > :23:24.another one, on the What should not happen now is that
:23:25. > :23:31.a stitch up should take place between Theresa May,
:23:32. > :23:34.David Davis and politicians in Brussels, that the British people
:23:35. > :23:37.then just have to live with. We take the view that
:23:38. > :23:40.unless the British people are given the final say on the terms
:23:41. > :23:43.of the deal, then we will not be Brexit, of course,
:23:44. > :23:53.dominated exchanges at PMQs. Jeremy Corbyn was all set to attack
:23:54. > :23:59.the Prime Minister over process and the lack of a White Paper,
:24:00. > :24:02.but then Tory backbencher Chris Philp stood up and shot
:24:03. > :24:06.the Labour leader's fox. Does the Prime Minister agree
:24:07. > :24:11.that the best way of facilitating that scrutiny would be a government
:24:12. > :24:14.White Paper? I can confirm to the House
:24:15. > :24:17.that our plan will be set out in a White Paper
:24:18. > :24:22.published this month. So Jeremy Corbyn was left to attack
:24:23. > :24:27.the Prime Minister over the timing of the White Paper and protections
:24:28. > :24:30.for workers' rights. But Theresa May was having none
:24:31. > :24:33.of it, pointing out the confusion on the Labour benches
:24:34. > :24:37.about its policy. Article 50 wasn't about the court
:24:38. > :24:41.judgment against this government. What it signified was the bad
:24:42. > :24:45.judgment of this government, the bad judgment of prioritising
:24:46. > :24:50.corporate tax cuts over investment The bad judgment of threatening
:24:51. > :24:57.European partners whilst offering The bad judgment of wanting to turn
:24:58. > :25:06.Britain into a bargain I have to say to him,
:25:07. > :25:12.he is the leader of the party. He can't even agree with his
:25:13. > :25:16.Shadow Chancellor about Brexit. The Shadow Chancellor can't agree
:25:17. > :25:18.with the Shadow Brexit secretary. The Shadow Brexit
:25:19. > :25:21.secretary disagrees And the Shadow Home Secretary has
:25:22. > :25:26.to ring up the leader He talks about us
:25:27. > :25:31.standing up for Britain. Old habits die hard on This Week,
:25:32. > :25:46.and we're not the only ones. Has the Minister,
:25:47. > :25:51.has the noble lord... Nice to see some of us
:25:52. > :26:02.sticking to what we know best. This seems like far too
:26:03. > :26:05.much hard work to me. I think I'll put the
:26:06. > :26:21.reskilling on ice for now. And the elves at The Ice Box
:26:22. > :26:25.in London's New Covent Garden Market were kind enough to finish it
:26:26. > :26:27.off for her. And it's made it intact
:26:28. > :26:31.to the This Week studio too. As has SNP heartthrob
:26:32. > :26:50.John Nicholson, who's looking Where can you go from there, Andrew
:26:51. > :26:56.Did it just delay the inevitable? Yes and the Prime Minister snatched
:26:57. > :26:58.victory. It could have been worse if it involved further consultation
:26:59. > :27:02.with Scotland and Northern Ireland and so on, that would have been very
:27:03. > :27:05.complicated constitutionally, so from the Government's point of view,
:27:06. > :27:10.it was more or less what they hoped for at that stage. Is there any
:27:11. > :27:16.doubt that Parliament will trigger article 50? No, I don't think so. I
:27:17. > :27:20.think Theresa May did snatch victory. She didn't have to go
:27:21. > :27:24.through this. She should have begun this by saying to Parliament, of
:27:25. > :27:27.course we are going to involve you properly in this and she shouldn't
:27:28. > :27:30.have appealed to the Supreme Court. She could have been doing a lot more
:27:31. > :27:36.before then. In the end, I think what Jeremy Corbyn was entitled to
:27:37. > :27:39.do is to say that actually the reversal on the white paper was
:27:40. > :27:48.something brought about by pressure from the opposition. Why didn't he
:27:49. > :27:53.say that? He was wriggling there. I was watching and thought why didn't
:27:54. > :27:56.you come in. And say that. The extraordinary thing about the appeal
:27:57. > :27:59.is just what a waste of money it is. This is meant to be a Conservative
:28:00. > :28:03.Government that minds the pennies, why on earth would you go to the
:28:04. > :28:10.Supreme Court to try and prevent Parliament from having a say? Credit
:28:11. > :28:15.where it's due. We didn't have the aim reaction from the judiciary that
:28:16. > :28:21.we did on the High Court decision. Liz Truss and Jeremy Wright came
:28:22. > :28:25.out. That was a lesson learnt. We have seen constitutional law.
:28:26. > :28:28.Experts say the Supreme Court's judgment is a more rounded judgment
:28:29. > :28:36.than the High Court's one and a better basis for going forward, so
:28:37. > :28:40.maybe... Some think the minority opinion is important too. Because
:28:41. > :28:44.there was no legal requirement for the Scottish Government to be
:28:45. > :28:48.consulted, doesn't mean they shouldn't be consulted. Isn't the
:28:49. > :28:53.Scottish Government being consulted? David Davis said he's met them five
:28:54. > :28:57.times. But what does that mean, if you keep meeting somebody and
:28:58. > :29:05.ignoring them, it's hardly worth the meeting is it? The contrary will be
:29:06. > :29:12.just as ridiculous. I don't get any sense that there's actually
:29:13. > :29:16.engagement. What Michael Russell says on Brexit, he just says, you
:29:17. > :29:21.know, David Davis keeps saying he's talking to us but I don't get a
:29:22. > :29:25.sthaens he's actually engaging in the arguments or debates. They don't
:29:26. > :29:31.even seem to inch forward. I know the SNP have said they are going to
:29:32. > :29:37.lay down 50 amendments because it's Article 50 and so on and the Deputy
:29:38. > :29:41.Speaker will be determined how many of these are called. Not many I
:29:42. > :29:45.suggest but we'll see. Are you in any doubt that in the end Parliament
:29:46. > :29:51.will trigger Article 50? I can't see any way that it can be prevented, to
:29:52. > :29:55.be honest. Particularly because of Labour's position? Exactly because
:29:56. > :29:58.of Labour's position. Because of the result of the referendum? I don't
:29:59. > :30:02.know what the amendments will be, but I would very much like to see
:30:03. > :30:07.the Westminster Parliament to say that European Union citizens will
:30:08. > :30:16.not be used as bargaining chips. Yes. Will it get through? I hope it
:30:17. > :30:23.will get through. I think it would mean we could all rally around that.
:30:24. > :30:28.Alan, isn't it quite amazing, you and I remember the Tories ripping
:30:29. > :30:32.themselves apart over Europe endlessly, the Maastricht debates
:30:33. > :30:37.went on and on. Did you ever think Labour would end up, not as badly
:30:38. > :30:44.divided as the Tories used to be, but still now pretty divided?
:30:45. > :30:52.No, I didn't, but I didn't think there would be a yes - no referendum
:30:53. > :30:58.on the EU. To be fair to where we stand, we supported remaining in the
:30:59. > :31:04.European Union, 66% of Labour voters supported it. So there is that
:31:05. > :31:11.division. People like the shadow in a has resigned in Hampstead... There
:31:12. > :31:15.are bound to be those issues. The big battle will be when the
:31:16. > :31:20.so-called great repeal bill comes in. That is when we will start... It
:31:21. > :31:25.will not be implemented until after Article 50 is completed, but that is
:31:26. > :31:29.when you will see the kind of issues... People are talking about
:31:30. > :31:35.hundreds of amendments for this. That is the wrong place. I thought
:31:36. > :31:42.all of the so-called great repeal bill, I thought all that was meant
:31:43. > :31:45.to do was to take the corpus of European law that currently affects
:31:46. > :31:52.us and just move it on to the British statute book, and you don't
:31:53. > :31:59.come to decide what you will unpick on that until we have left. Well, I
:32:00. > :32:08.think that is true. So why would you amend it? If ministers decide not to
:32:09. > :32:13.unpick it, there is a thing called a Henry VIII clause, which is done
:32:14. > :32:19.virtually by ministerial decree. If they start to cherrypicking... If
:32:20. > :32:25.they leave it, having moved it across, until after Article 50...
:32:26. > :32:30.Did you notice that David Mundell, the Scottish Secretary, Conservative
:32:31. > :32:35.Scottish party secretary, said that he thought that the Holyrood
:32:36. > :32:40.parliament might have to give its consent to aspects of the great
:32:41. > :32:45.repeal bill where they affect Scots law, where European law has been
:32:46. > :32:50.incorporated into Scots law. A very interesting development. My
:32:51. > :32:53.understanding was that this was the simplifying procedure. Alan is
:32:54. > :32:58.right, if they start to say, we want to change this and that, it will
:32:59. > :33:02.complicate matters. Did you not think they would just move it all on
:33:03. > :33:04.and what regulations and laws we stick with would be determined
:33:05. > :33:12.either after we leave or for the next Parliament after 2020? I am not
:33:13. > :33:16.sure there is a huge point in trying to speculate what will happen in two
:33:17. > :33:20.years. I think the government will have to play it according to how it
:33:21. > :33:24.sees the parliamentary arithmetic at the time. But I think you are
:33:25. > :33:29.absolutely right that one of the things it can do is to have a fairly
:33:30. > :33:31.uncontroversial bill, followed presumably by mountains of
:33:32. > :33:35.legislation thereafter, which will have to unpick all the things that
:33:36. > :33:41.need to be unpicked. There is the possibility of absolute chaos
:33:42. > :33:48.arriving in two years' time. Why was Nicola Sturgeon surprised to
:33:49. > :33:53.discover that foreign policy was a reserved competence for Westminster?
:33:54. > :33:57.I don't think she was particularly surprised. She seemed to think the
:33:58. > :34:02.Scottish parliament should determine foreign policy. Our view is that we
:34:03. > :34:08.were told repeatedly Scotland was an equal partner. If that is true, her
:34:09. > :34:12.view and my view, most people's view in Scotland is that the Holyrood
:34:13. > :34:18.parliament should be consulted. Otherwise, what did the rhetoric
:34:19. > :34:25.mean? But the one thing the SNP government is keen storm is that
:34:26. > :34:29.even though Britain is to leave the single market, the SNP think
:34:30. > :34:33.Scotland can stay in the single market. Not just the SNP. That is
:34:34. > :34:40.the Labour Party position and was Ruth Davidson's position until
:34:41. > :34:45.recently. Can you name a single leading European that thinks that is
:34:46. > :34:51.possible? Since you put me on the spot, I can't. I think it is a
:34:52. > :34:55.personally -- perfectly reasonable argument for the Scottish Government
:34:56. > :34:59.to advance, and their legal advice is that there is no impediment to
:35:00. > :35:04.that happening, if the British government wants to be as flexible
:35:05. > :35:10.as they say they do. Are you going to follow Jeremy Corbyn's three line
:35:11. > :35:15.whip? I happen to agree that we have two trigger Article 50. I will look
:35:16. > :35:19.at the amendments, particularly about EU nationals living here.
:35:20. > :35:27.There was an interesting development in Wales this week, where Plaid
:35:28. > :35:33.Cymru and the Lib Dems put forward a plan about how to tackle freedom of
:35:34. > :35:37.movement. Where I come from, free number -- freedom of movement has to
:35:38. > :35:40.go. It has to be amended in Europe. It has to change, and sooner or
:35:41. > :35:44.later they will come to that conclusion. But I am convinced that
:35:45. > :35:50.was the major factor for why people left the European Union. The leading
:35:51. > :35:55.candidate for the French presidency is moving a very long distance on
:35:56. > :35:59.freedom of movement. Maybe that will happen in a lot of places in Europe.
:36:00. > :36:02.John, thank you for being with us again.
:36:03. > :36:04.Now, it's been busy news week, again, this week.
:36:05. > :36:05.When Michael addressed last weekend's Women's March protest
:36:06. > :36:08.against Donald Trump he rather got carried away and called on them
:36:09. > :36:13.The British Food Standards quango said that roast potatoes and brown
:36:14. > :36:19.And This Week's viewing figures rose to between three and five million,
:36:20. > :36:23.including illegal immigrants, which is more than a month
:36:24. > :36:33.Not so easy to tell, is it, in this brave
:36:34. > :36:47.That's why we're putting "truth" in this week's Spotlight.
:36:48. > :36:50.The Prime Minister says she's not scared of telling
:36:51. > :36:56.I'm not afraid to speak frankly to a President of the United States.
:36:57. > :36:58.The Donald is committed to the truth, too.
:36:59. > :37:02.So devoted he says he might bring back torture to reveal it.
:37:03. > :37:06.Would I feel strongly about water boarding?
:37:07. > :37:13.As far as I'm concerned, we have to fight fire with fire.
:37:14. > :37:17.But is there any truth in Trump's allegations of voter fraud?
:37:18. > :37:19.There are millions of votes, in my opinion.
:37:20. > :37:22.His spin doctors are having to work hard to prove them.
:37:23. > :37:27.I think he has stated his concerns of voter fraud and people voting
:37:28. > :37:32.He continues to maintain that belief.
:37:33. > :37:35.Back in Blighty, facts give way to fiction during Jeremy Corbyn's
:37:36. > :37:41.Condolences, I am sure, of the whole House to the family
:37:42. > :37:43.of the police officer who lost his life over the weekend
:37:44. > :37:49.I join the Prime Minister in wishing a speedy recovery
:37:50. > :37:56.Earlier in the week, Ewan McGregor and Piers Morgan told
:37:57. > :38:01."Didn't realise Piers Morgan was host.
:38:02. > :38:05."Won't go on with him after his comments about the women's march.
:38:06. > :38:08.Maybe actors should just talk about their films and not get
:38:09. > :38:15.Comedian Bridget Christie's as honest as they come.
:38:16. > :38:17.To my two small children, I'm an absent mother.
:38:18. > :38:26.But is truth a rare commodity these days?
:38:27. > :38:29.And an endless source of shame and regret.
:38:30. > :38:46.Thank you for bringing your dogs. Should we always tell the truth? No.
:38:47. > :38:50.I think there are good and bad lies. If you are in church and the bride
:38:51. > :38:59.is about to come down the aisle and you don't think she's looking her
:39:00. > :39:04.best, you probably should not go... But what we see in politics is that
:39:05. > :39:09.there are many different types of lying. There is political
:39:10. > :39:13.sidestepping, avoiding the truth, and blatant lies, basic lies. What
:39:14. > :39:20.we are seeing now is something more sophisticated. We have Trump sending
:39:21. > :39:25.Sean Spicer out to say that there were more people. We have Kellyanne
:39:26. > :39:30.Conway saying that Sean Spicer was using alternative facts. It is on
:39:31. > :39:36.another level. There seems to be a new phrase for something that is not
:39:37. > :39:44.true. Alternative facts? It doesn't make any sense, it is meaningless.
:39:45. > :39:52.Lying. Are we more prone to lying? George Orwell's 1984 has gone to the
:39:53. > :39:55.top of the Amazon lists. News speak, doublespeak, freedom is slavery, war
:39:56. > :40:00.is peace. All of it comes from George Orwell. And when I saw
:40:01. > :40:06.Kellyanne Conway say that what he had said was an all turn a tip
:40:07. > :40:11.fact... There is no such as an alternative fact. She laughed when
:40:12. > :40:14.she said it. I think they are both under pressure. I think it is more
:40:15. > :40:21.sinister than just lying to the public. It is interesting that Trump
:40:22. > :40:26.sent Sean Spicer out to say that. Sometimes children do this. He is
:40:27. > :40:32.testing their loyalty. The crowd was obviously much smaller than he
:40:33. > :40:37.wanted, so by sending Sean Spicer out, he is testing his loyalty. You
:40:38. > :40:43.hold the power. If you make somebody lied, you hold power over them. It
:40:44. > :40:47.is also extraordinary, because in normal politics what you would have
:40:48. > :40:50.been briefed to say is, it doesn't matter what the size of the crowd
:40:51. > :40:57.is, I won the election, Americans voted for me. And the TV audience
:40:58. > :41:01.was massive. It doesn't matter how many women have gone on the street
:41:02. > :41:06.in Washington, it is not as many as the 30 million women who voted for
:41:07. > :41:12.me, Donald Trump. Those are standard answers, and pretty good answers.
:41:13. > :41:23.But he didn't do that. Even Trump's bodyguard, his arms were fake. Did
:41:24. > :41:29.you see that? It is hard to keep up. His bodyguard is walking down with
:41:30. > :41:35.these fake arms, because his arms are underneath with a big gun. What
:41:36. > :41:43.is next? Honestly, I think they are going to start pushing out a waxwork
:41:44. > :41:49.of Trump and passing them off. Quite often... We pride ourselves on fact
:41:50. > :41:55.checking. We had a spat this week with the Scottish and the lists of
:41:56. > :41:57.export figures on the facts. In America, the amount of
:41:58. > :42:02.misinformation, I put it no higher than that, during the election, was
:42:03. > :42:08.so intense that the fact checkers just lost control. There were too
:42:09. > :42:11.many things to check. You are not telling me during the Brexit
:42:12. > :42:17.campaign there was not masses of misinformation. But there was a lot
:42:18. > :42:26.of fact checking as well. We have whole programmes on it. A lot of
:42:27. > :42:30.effort goes into it. The worry is that this populist movement is
:42:31. > :42:34.almost saying, look, never mind about the facts. There was a great
:42:35. > :42:37.quote from Daniel Moynahan who said everyone is entitled to their own
:42:38. > :42:42.opinion but no one is entitled to their own facts. Everyone is
:42:43. > :42:48.entitled to their own fact now, and some of that emerged during the
:42:49. > :42:52.Brexit debate. If you lie often enough, the lie becomes the truth. I
:42:53. > :42:56.think there has to be some accountability. There was a petition
:42:57. > :43:00.to make knowingly lying, misleading the public during an election
:43:01. > :43:08.campaign or referendum, trying to make that a legal. I wonder who
:43:09. > :43:13.would urge you to a on that. We have run out of time. What are you up to?
:43:14. > :43:19.I am at Leicester Square Theatre next week and then I start touring
:43:20. > :43:22.around the UK. Good le. Don't forget the dogs.
:43:23. > :43:26.We're heading to LouLou's for the Great British Supreme
:43:27. > :43:30.The policy and dress code is as strict as it gets
:43:31. > :43:33.for a London elite only party - white tie, white powdered wigs
:43:34. > :43:36.I know where that will come in handy.
:43:37. > :43:44.Nighty night, don't let Dutch humour bite.
:43:45. > :43:46.Dear Mr President, welcome to this introduction video
:43:47. > :43:54.It's going to be absolutely fantastic.
:43:55. > :43:57.Our founding father was William of Orange, who fought
:43:58. > :44:04.They fought against us for 80 years but they couldn't beat us.
:44:05. > :44:30.It's a great, great wall that we built to protect us
:44:31. > :44:38.We built an entire ocean, OK, an entire ocean
:44:39. > :44:45.Nobody builds oceans better than we do.
:44:46. > :44:50.This ocean, it is so big you can even see it from the moon.
:44:51. > :44:58.We totally understand, it's going to be America first.
:44:59. > :45:02.But can we just say, the Netherlands second?
:45:03. > :45:07.Thank you for watching, and best wishes.
:45:08. > :45:09.We've got the best wishes in the Netherlands.
:45:10. > :45:21.We know you understand the risks associated with your pregnancy.
:45:22. > :45:25.Because I'm smaller, people think my hopes are not so great.