:00:21. > :01:10.Firstly, I have to alert all our loyal followers
:01:11. > :01:13.and supporters that the soft coup is under way.
:01:14. > :01:14.It's planned, co-ordinated and fully resourced.
:01:15. > :01:17.It's being perpetrated by an alliance between the dark
:01:18. > :01:20.elements of the This Week sofas and the BBC Yentob empire,
:01:21. > :01:28.both intent on destroying me and all that I stand for.
:01:29. > :01:35.The Police Inspectorate reported that budgets have been cut, with
:01:36. > :01:41.some forces struggling to provide even a six services. An official NHS
:01:42. > :01:44.watchdog warned that the health service was standing on a burning
:01:45. > :01:49.platform with four out of five hospitals needing to improve basic
:01:50. > :01:53.patient safety, and the Independent and to chew for fiscal studies
:01:54. > :01:59.predicted planned cuts to welfare would drive 1 million children into
:02:00. > :02:03.poverty by 2020. So I don't know why you are so surprised that Labour is
:02:04. > :02:08.between 14 points and six team points ahead in the polls. With that
:02:09. > :02:14.sort of record, why would you not expect the Tories to be trailing
:02:15. > :02:19.badly. Simple. I'm sorry, what's that? The Tories are 16 points aired
:02:20. > :02:23.in the polls. I just don't believe that. It's the sort of fake news
:02:24. > :02:26.that gives journalism a bad name. Next you will be telling me the
:02:27. > :02:36.Tories won the Copeland by-election. And joining me, hiding in plain
:02:37. > :02:38.sight is the conspirator-in-chief, the Colour Of Shirt Trojan horse
:02:39. > :02:41.of late night political chat, Michael #ChooChooseYourFriends
:02:42. > :02:42.Portillo and with him, restoring the balance
:02:43. > :02:49.for good in this studio Liz Your moment of the week. I spent
:02:50. > :02:52.today trying to figure out how what Jeff Sessions said to Congress about
:02:53. > :02:57.not having had contact with the Russians could be anything other
:02:58. > :03:02.than lying. Despite my best efforts, I failed. It clearly was a lie, and
:03:03. > :03:05.the administration has already lost one senior official, the national
:03:06. > :03:10.security adviser, on contacts with the Russians. I do not see how they
:03:11. > :03:14.can avoid losing a second, the Attorney General. This issue about
:03:15. > :03:18.what the Russians were up to during the American election, and what the
:03:19. > :03:23.Republicans were up to with the Russians during the general election
:03:24. > :03:31.seems to be not going away. Did you see the Attorney General's press
:03:32. > :03:39.conference? I did. Then you will see why he in trouble. Your moment? John
:03:40. > :03:46.Major's Brexit speech. I remember when he beat Neil Kinnock, I
:03:47. > :03:50.remember ranting at the news. My boyfriend listened patiently for a
:03:51. > :03:54.while and then said, either shut up, or do something about it. That was
:03:55. > :03:58.when I joined the Labour Party. If you had told me 25 years later that
:03:59. > :04:07.I would agree with almost every word of a speech by John Major, I would
:04:08. > :04:15.have laughed. You are talking about his best friend, John Major. Not so
:04:16. > :04:20.much has changed for me in 25 years. He did tell us that he won
:04:21. > :04:26.Maastricht game, set and match. He did well with Maastricht. He was
:04:27. > :04:28.asked to do a couple of things needed them well. It what happened
:04:29. > :04:32.after that. Now, we received a mislabelled
:04:33. > :04:34.parcel this week. On the off chance it
:04:35. > :04:36.contained Blue Nun I'm afraid our production
:04:37. > :04:38.team opened it. To their great disappointment,
:04:39. > :04:40.it was a set of Russian dolls. First out, the biggest,
:04:41. > :04:42.Vladimir Putin. Next popped Donald Trump,
:04:43. > :04:44.then Mike Flynn, then Jeff Sessions. Oddly, the last one was just a small
:04:45. > :04:47.yellow bottle, probably Blue Nun, Anyways, we've forwarded
:04:48. > :04:51.it on to its original destination, a certain Boris
:04:52. > :04:53.at The Secret Entrance, So just to be on the safe side,
:04:54. > :04:57.we sent American Diplomat turned journalist, James Rubin
:04:58. > :04:59.to the This Week nuclear bunker Long before President Trump took
:05:00. > :05:09.office it felt like world events War raging in country
:05:10. > :05:20.after country in the Middle East. And countries in the heart
:05:21. > :05:25.of Europe being invaded, China laying claim to critical sea
:05:26. > :05:36.lanes in the South China Sea, with US patrols then sent
:05:37. > :05:51.to challenge Beijing. He says he wants good
:05:52. > :05:58.relations with Moscow. The problem is, somehow he can't
:05:59. > :06:01.find the words to criticise Russia's But he does have the time
:06:02. > :06:10.to bad-mouth the trade policies and defence alliances that have
:06:11. > :06:13.served us so well, that have given us peace and prosperity in Europe
:06:14. > :06:18.and Asia for 70 years now. That's why he sponsors extremists
:06:19. > :06:28.for elections here in Europe, The White House should be
:06:29. > :06:37.stopping him, not creating a crisis of confidence that will only end
:06:38. > :06:49.up helping him. After eight years of overreach under
:06:50. > :06:52.President Bush and the war in Iraq, the pendulum swung back the other
:06:53. > :06:55.way, and America retrenched What we need is a steady hand
:06:56. > :07:03.somewhere in the middle. 50 billion more for defence
:07:04. > :07:14.is not the answer. We need a new President to inspire,
:07:15. > :07:16.to restore confidence, Working together, America and Europe
:07:17. > :07:28.still have the power If only our leaders
:07:29. > :07:41.would have the will. Thanks to bunker 51 in Greenwich
:07:42. > :07:57.for releasing Jamie Rubin. Welcome back. You said that the
:07:58. > :08:04.White House should be stopping Putin, but stopping him from what
:08:05. > :08:07.and how? Well, first of all, it wouldn't be beyond the capabilities
:08:08. > :08:11.of the United States to have counteracted all of this
:08:12. > :08:16.interference in the US election, in the French election now, in the
:08:17. > :08:20.German election. We keep hearing about Russian efforts to damage our
:08:21. > :08:24.democratic system. It wouldn't be impossible for the United States to
:08:25. > :08:28.have responded stronger to Ukraine in the past. And I certainly don't
:08:29. > :08:33.think we should ignore the fact that Russia has invaded another country.
:08:34. > :08:37.The thing about Trump, all of this, I don't know what really happened
:08:38. > :08:42.but I cannot figure out why he can't criticise this invasion of another
:08:43. > :08:48.country. You don't have to be for sanctions to criticise it. But why
:08:49. > :08:53.can't he do that? Wasn't it Obama's job to stop Russian interference in
:08:54. > :08:57.the election? He was the President. I would agree that it is now
:08:58. > :09:01.apparent that President Obama and his team should have been tough on
:09:02. > :09:07.the Russians. Every time they interfered, there was no response.
:09:08. > :09:12.So it is not Donald Trump's fault. It is his fault for not recognising
:09:13. > :09:16.this is a problem. It is his fault for not telling us we need to gather
:09:17. > :09:21.together and working unity. The reason the United States and the
:09:22. > :09:25.West succeeded in all those years is when we were together and United and
:09:26. > :09:29.agreed on the problem. Right now, Germany, Britain, France, they don't
:09:30. > :09:34.agree with the United States on Vladimir Putin. Nobody can figure
:09:35. > :09:39.out why Mr Trump is so calm about Putin's activities. What's wrong
:09:40. > :09:44.with trying to reset relations with Russia? I don't think there would be
:09:45. > :09:50.anything particularly wrong about that. I want to go back over where
:09:51. > :09:55.we have been. Crimea was invaded by Russia when Obama was President, and
:09:56. > :10:01.Putin predicted there would be no reaction from Obama, and he was dead
:10:02. > :10:04.right. I think the invasion of Crimea was largely provoked by
:10:05. > :10:10.European Union Foreign Minister is interfering in Ukraine, which
:10:11. > :10:15.presented either a threat or an excuse to Russia. The fact is that
:10:16. > :10:18.since President Trump has become President, nothing has happened.
:10:19. > :10:22.There may be an absence of language you would have welcomed but nothing
:10:23. > :10:27.has happened except that he has declared he will increase defence
:10:28. > :10:30.spending, and has told his European Union and Nato partners quite
:10:31. > :10:33.rightly that they should increase their defence spending because they
:10:34. > :10:37.are freeloading on the United States in Europe. That message has been
:10:38. > :10:41.delivered more strongly by Trump than it was by Obama. If one is
:10:42. > :10:45.going to talk about what the President has said, it is true there
:10:46. > :10:51.may have been an absence of Cold War rhetoric... It is not Cold War
:10:52. > :10:57.rhetoric. But it is also true that he has done two things to the
:10:58. > :11:00.disadvantage of Russia. Michael, I hope your comfort level with Donald
:11:01. > :11:05.Trump sustains itself throughout these years. You dismiss as Cold War
:11:06. > :11:10.rhetoric the idea that the President of the United States should declare,
:11:11. > :11:14.with vigour and determination, that a country in Europe should not
:11:15. > :11:18.invade its neighbour and annex a portion of it. That is still going
:11:19. > :11:25.on right now, Michael. It is not something that happened years ago.
:11:26. > :11:30.There is a war in Ukraine. What can America do about it? He can declare
:11:31. > :11:35.it as a problem. The fact that he can't criticise the Russian invasion
:11:36. > :11:39.of Ukraine is what is troubling me. What you have said is fine, but to
:11:40. > :11:45.dismiss that as Cold War rhetoric I do not understand. Lives, what is
:11:46. > :11:48.your take? Coming back to your question of what is wrong with it,
:11:49. > :11:53.if you take Trump at his word about what he wants to achieve, in many
:11:54. > :11:57.cases, Russia wants the opposite. Trump says he wants to defeat
:11:58. > :12:02.so-called Islamic State. In Syria, Russia has actually not been
:12:03. > :12:06.fighting Islamic State, but fighting the rebels against Assad. Trump
:12:07. > :12:11.wants to contain China. Russia is too weak politically, economically,
:12:12. > :12:16.militarily, to do that, actually wants to boost trade with China
:12:17. > :12:21.because of its struggling economy. Another objective might be to
:12:22. > :12:27.confront Iran. And again, all the evidence is that Russia is working
:12:28. > :12:31.with Iran in the Middle East. Russia's primary objective is to
:12:32. > :12:38.divide and undermine the confidence of the West, and ultimately that
:12:39. > :12:42.will be bad for Trump. So the truth is, his strategic objectives, even
:12:43. > :12:48.as he set them, will not be achieved by cosying up to Putin. Mr Trump
:12:49. > :12:54.thinks that Russia is largely Europe's problem, a regional issue.
:12:55. > :12:58.He sees China as the threat to US interests. He thinks that Europe
:12:59. > :13:03.should sort out Russia. It is their problem. I don't know that he has
:13:04. > :13:06.made that judgment but I would disagree on these grounds. Russia's
:13:07. > :13:12.behaviour in the last few years is a problem for the world. When a great
:13:13. > :13:16.power decides to throw away 50 years of policy and invade their neighbour
:13:17. > :13:20.and annex a piece of it, whether you think Crimea should be Russian or
:13:21. > :13:27.not, the last great power to do that, we all know, was Germany. So
:13:28. > :13:31.it's a problem. Maybe not the end of the world, but to not identify it as
:13:32. > :13:37.a problem, that is where my problem is. He thinks it is Europe's
:13:38. > :13:41.problem. It is the world's problem. It is a basic rule of international
:13:42. > :13:47.relations. If you don't except that, we have big problems. Then you go to
:13:48. > :13:50.Syria and Iran, and if it had not been to Russia working with Iran,
:13:51. > :13:55.the Assad regime would never be where it is today. That is bad for
:13:56. > :13:59.the world, to stand by and watch Syria do what it did. And for the
:14:00. > :14:04.United States to seed the Middle East to the Russians, we will be
:14:05. > :14:12.sorry one day. It is not a regional problem. When Russia interferes with
:14:13. > :14:18.elections. None of this happened on Trump's watch. It is happening
:14:19. > :14:23.today. Interference in Germany and France is happening today. Russian
:14:24. > :14:28.policy in Syria is happening today. Russian planes are interfering with
:14:29. > :14:33.Nato officials across northern Europe today. We might have an
:14:34. > :14:34.incident in the Balkans tomorrow. To dismiss this as ancient history is
:14:35. > :14:43.not serious. I'm not dismissing it. President
:14:44. > :14:50.Obama's only just left office, remember, he can come here and, you
:14:51. > :14:56.know, via us, elected President Trump. You are talking about me. You
:14:57. > :15:00.haven't been listening. I have. You declared me the man who was Obama's
:15:01. > :15:04.supporter. I said in the piece, and I hope you were paying attention, I
:15:05. > :15:09.said that George Bush overreached through the invasion of Iraq and
:15:10. > :15:13.then I said that President Obama underreached and retrenched in the
:15:14. > :15:18.United States and that what we need is somewhere in the middle so please
:15:19. > :15:22.don't dismiss me as an Obama lover who's suddenly criticising Trump.
:15:23. > :15:25.Listen to what I said on the tape, I think Donald Trump is bad for us
:15:26. > :15:29.because we need somebody in the middle, we don't want overreach, we
:15:30. > :15:34.don't want underreach, we should just be the leader that the world
:15:35. > :15:38.needs right now. I have a feeling that Trump may turn out to be
:15:39. > :15:42.exactly what you desire: I hope so. Which is something in the middle and
:15:43. > :15:47.certainly the two things he already said, the extra spending and telling
:15:48. > :15:54.NATO to gets its act together, would push us in that direction. It's
:15:55. > :16:02.saying it's time Europe paid more for its defence. They say, you can't
:16:03. > :16:09.expect the US to pay more for the European children than the Europeans
:16:10. > :16:14.do. I've been a strong supporter of NATO paying what they said they'd
:16:15. > :16:20.pay. Misses May said it will be 2024. She runs a massive budget
:16:21. > :16:25.surplus. If you make a commitment as part of NATO or any organisation,
:16:26. > :16:33.you should meet it. What I don't think will make the world safer is
:16:34. > :16:39.to kind of engage in what, as has been announced in some unnecessary
:16:40. > :16:43.and frankly dangerous nuclear arms race - in cutting funding for the
:16:44. > :16:47.State Department and foreign aid, I don't think he could be reducing
:16:48. > :16:53.America's influence in the world and making states less safe. It raises
:16:54. > :16:57.big questions for the UK because we used to be a leader in Europe and a
:16:58. > :17:01.bridge between Britain and Europe. Now we are neither. The Europeans
:17:02. > :17:07.will need us more than ever now. They will on the defence side. Let
:17:08. > :17:10.me say this. You know, our objectives are also different. This
:17:11. > :17:17.is actually a point John Major made in his speech. We want to contain
:17:18. > :17:22.Russia and engage China and Trump wants to, you know, engage Russia
:17:23. > :17:25.and engage China. We have very different objectives on trade,
:17:26. > :17:29.refugees and we have a different view about protectionism. I think
:17:30. > :17:32.this is going to put us in an extremely difficult position if
:17:33. > :17:40.Theresa May believes that having a much, much closer relationship with
:17:41. > :17:44.Trump is going to be the solution to all of our problems. Trump wants to
:17:45. > :17:48.take a tougher line with China, that's clear. That means he can't be
:17:49. > :17:54.seen to be too soft on Russia because Beijing will see that as a
:17:55. > :17:58.sign of weakness? Look, what you say on its surface is fair enough. The
:17:59. > :18:02.problem is, Donald Trump doesn't know what he thinks. One day he was
:18:03. > :18:07.making a phone call to the President of Taiwan, saying I reject the one
:18:08. > :18:11.China policy that's been the basis since Richard Nixon and Henry
:18:12. > :18:15.Kissinger started relations with China and the Chinese said, oh, if
:18:16. > :18:20.that's really your position, we don't want to talk to you. So Donald
:18:21. > :18:24.Trump capitulated and he agreed to the one China policy before the
:18:25. > :18:29.President of China would even get on the phone with him. This is amateur
:18:30. > :18:34.hour in the extreme. You can find all the silver linings you want but
:18:35. > :18:37.when an amateur takes over in the Whitehouse when leadership is so
:18:38. > :18:41.important after eight years of going one way and eight years of going the
:18:42. > :18:44.other way, it's a real danger for the world. Amateur hour at the
:18:45. > :18:47.Whitehouse is what I'm worried about. Thank you.
:18:48. > :18:49.Now it's late, clay pigeon shooting with Francois Hollande late,
:18:50. > :18:53.but worry not, this program spends half its time misfiring and look
:18:54. > :19:06.Cause for celebration, so waiting in the wings is the don
:19:07. > :19:09.of dancing DJs David Rodigan is here to put codes
:19:10. > :19:12.So save your Facebullets, stand down the twitter tanks,
:19:13. > :19:31.If we'd never the Oscars wasn't a tedious lovy fest and reinvented
:19:32. > :19:35.itself as the funniest show on earth, we'd have been off to
:19:36. > :19:36.Hollywood in a shot. Here is Kevin Maguire with his award-winning
:19:37. > :19:58.political round-up of the week. Now, the entire This Week team have
:19:59. > :20:04.been casting their votes It all started when I offered odds
:20:05. > :20:26.on the Labour winning in Copeland. Now I'm in serious trouble
:20:27. > :20:30.and unless I get the money back, This Week's production values
:20:31. > :20:32.will be rubbish. The political week started
:20:33. > :20:36.with a row over changes The Prime Minister's policy adviser,
:20:37. > :20:41.George Freeman, defended withholding assistance for people with mental
:20:42. > :20:46.health issues, arguing Benefits have been given to people
:20:47. > :20:51.who take pills at home, We want to make sure we get
:20:52. > :20:55.the money to the really Things are going from bad
:20:56. > :21:02.to worse with Labour. With odds this long,
:21:03. > :21:05.perhaps it's worth a punt on Corbyn Then again, with Labour
:21:06. > :21:14.imploding, who could hold Coming up on the inside,
:21:15. > :21:22.it's Aaron Banks Moneybags. Arron Banks Moneybags is gaining
:21:23. > :21:24.on Quisling Carswell. But out of retirement, we've not
:21:25. > :21:28.heard the last of Nigel Farage, Quisling Carswell has
:21:29. > :21:31.bitten Nigel Farage. And crossing the line,
:21:32. > :21:38.the entire Ukip Derby is riderless. Jockeying for position among Ukip's
:21:39. > :21:44.senior figures has left the party in disarray,
:21:45. > :21:48.with donor Arron Banks this week threatening to stand
:21:49. > :21:50.against its only MP, And there were claims Carswell tried
:21:51. > :21:54.to block a knighthood And unlike Sir Philip Green, Nige
:21:55. > :22:00.can't afford 363 million to get one. So, Mr Farage pretty much
:22:01. > :22:07.thinks Carswell should He tried to undermine
:22:08. > :22:13.everything we've stood for for a very long time,
:22:14. > :22:16.in terms of policy, Do you think you
:22:17. > :22:19.deserve a knighthood? The Tories are romping home
:22:20. > :22:39.and Mrs May's got tight reins But some of the Conservatives
:22:40. > :22:44.are a bit skittish about Brexit. Eight months ago, a majority
:22:45. > :22:49.of voters opted to leave I believed then, as I do now,
:22:50. > :22:56.that was an historic mistake. A hard Brexit, which is
:22:57. > :22:59.where we appear to be But the Foreign Secretary
:23:00. > :23:10.was having none of it. Sometimes I get a bit impatient
:23:11. > :23:14.when I hear people droning and moaning about the state
:23:15. > :23:18.of the world, and I hear them warn that the sky's
:23:19. > :23:21.about fall on our heads, or not inconsiderably likely
:23:22. > :23:24.to fall on our heads. The odds are lengthening
:23:25. > :23:30.considerably on an easy ride for the Brexit Bill,
:23:31. > :23:35.after the Lords this week in the committee stage passed
:23:36. > :23:37.a significant amendment protecting These people need to know now,
:23:38. > :23:46.not in two years' time, They simply can't put
:23:47. > :23:51.their lives on hold. Just as Brexit means Brexit, legally
:23:52. > :23:54.resident means legally resident. And were I in that position,
:23:55. > :23:59.I would be much more concerned to have a statutory right,
:24:00. > :24:03.than a political assurance. I borrowed a fiver off Michael,
:24:04. > :24:19.and when he wanted it back after ten seconds,
:24:20. > :24:23.he set the bailiffs on me. I just need one high stakes
:24:24. > :24:29.win to turn it round. Talking of high stakes,
:24:30. > :24:36.people in Northern Ireland went to the polls today to elect
:24:37. > :24:39.a new power-sharing executive, but tensions between the DUP
:24:40. > :24:41.and Sinn Fein mean forming that executive might be difficult,
:24:42. > :24:43.raising the possibility The Labour leader went
:24:44. > :25:04.on benefit cuts at PMQs Even up against jokes
:25:05. > :25:10.as bad as this. Withdraw this deep decision,
:25:11. > :25:12.this nasty decision, accept the court's judgment,
:25:13. > :25:14.and support those going through a very difficult
:25:15. > :25:18.time in their lives. After the result in Copeland last
:25:19. > :25:28.week, the honourable member for Lancaster and Fleetwood summed
:25:29. > :25:32.up the by-election result by saying it was an incredible result
:25:33. > :25:34.for the Labour Party. You know, I think that word actually
:25:35. > :25:37.describes the right honourable This is the EU's
:25:38. > :25:46.headquarters in London. They've got loads of money
:25:47. > :25:49.and experience dealing Ich bin ein desperado
:25:50. > :25:56.from This Week. They've sold it to
:25:57. > :26:05.the Tories already. I'm off to busk
:26:06. > :26:12.outside of Annabel's. They're not going to let him into
:26:13. > :26:31.Annabel's. And with us, a man who like everyone
:26:32. > :26:35.else who ends up on the This Week sofa, realises his career
:26:36. > :26:37.is done and dusted. Former SNP supremo in
:26:38. > :26:48.Chief, Alex Salmond. Liz, does the House of Lords vote
:26:49. > :26:51.matter? I hope it does. I hope it persuades some Conservative MPs to
:26:52. > :26:58.change their mind and back that amendment. I think it is the right
:26:59. > :27:02.thing to do for people who came here believing their future would be
:27:03. > :27:08.secure. It's actually right for our economy at the moment because we
:27:09. > :27:12.need EU citizens doing those jobs. I think it's also, if we did it, it
:27:13. > :27:15.would be a signal of goodwill in terms of the negotiations with the
:27:16. > :27:19.rest of Europe. Given all that, Labour's going to throw in the towel
:27:20. > :27:22.after one round of Ping-Pong, aren't they? Well, we accept the result of
:27:23. > :27:27.the referendum. I wish it was something otherwise but it is the
:27:28. > :27:30.referendum, it happened and I believe when we have referendums, we
:27:31. > :27:35.accept the result. The House of Lords vote then probably won't
:27:36. > :27:39.matter will it? Not if Labour raise the white flag on it. It's the
:27:40. > :27:44.weakest point of the Bill because there probably is a natural majority
:27:45. > :27:50.even in the Commons who if left to their own devices would choose that
:27:51. > :27:56.amendment. Of course, the point you make about resolve, if a Government
:27:57. > :27:58.is going to back down, they have to believe the opposition are going to
:27:59. > :28:03.take the matter all the way. And they don't. And therefore that is a
:28:04. > :28:08.big weakness. Nor do I accept, people say oh well that's the result
:28:09. > :28:11.of the referendum and it didn't on the ballot paper say European
:28:12. > :28:15.citizens low pressure their rights jeopardised, it didn't say we are
:28:16. > :28:17.coming out the single market. It's a perfectly legitimate case for
:28:18. > :28:22.putting the heat on the Government far, far more than the opposition is
:28:23. > :28:27.doing. The House of Lords is full of people who want a soft Brexit,
:28:28. > :28:30.rather than a hard Brexit. If you give away an important point before
:28:31. > :28:34.we have had a negotiation, it follows that the Brexit will be
:28:35. > :28:40.harder than it otherwise would be? It doesn't follow at all. I think it
:28:41. > :28:43.does. I agree about the gesture of goodwill. At the end of the day,
:28:44. > :28:48.everybody believes that the rights of European citizens in the UK and
:28:49. > :28:51.the rights of UK citizens in the European Union will not be
:28:52. > :28:56.jeopardised and will be protected. Therefore this is a kind of falses a
:28:57. > :29:00.Margaret Beckett of negotiations -- false aspect of negotiations. Then
:29:01. > :29:04.don't interfere with the Bill. Except of course that... It's very
:29:05. > :29:07.well for you to sit on the sofa and say that but for people who're at
:29:08. > :29:10.the hot end of this, you know, who've had their position described
:29:11. > :29:16.as a bargaining chip, my constituents do not see this as...
:29:17. > :29:19.Well, as Norman Tebbit said, you are worrying about people living in
:29:20. > :29:23.Britain without worrying about the British people. Actually, the more
:29:24. > :29:26.important amendment is about trying to get Parliament to have a
:29:27. > :29:32.meaningful vote on the final relationship. That's such humbug.
:29:33. > :29:36.It's not. How... That is the way that we I think do keep the pressure
:29:37. > :29:41.up on Theresa May not to have a hard Brexit. It also I think would
:29:42. > :29:45.strengthen her hand with the E usmt - I know you disagree - she would be
:29:46. > :29:50.able to say to them, the House won't support it if you give it a bad
:29:51. > :29:55.deal. That's what's so important about it. -- the EU. We spend years
:29:56. > :30:00.negotiating. At the end we get the best possible deal and it's brought
:30:01. > :30:04.back to Britain and Parliament says oh no, that's not good enough. The
:30:05. > :30:09.European Union will say, sorry, we didn't realise that the House of
:30:10. > :30:13.Commons wouldn't agree. MEPs can do much more to scrutinise what the
:30:14. > :30:16.Commission does. We are about to have many more powers by leaving the
:30:17. > :30:22.European Union. I would have thought you would have wanted British MPs to
:30:23. > :30:30.have the same power as MPs. Enough of Europe. Let's move on.
:30:31. > :30:39.Why isn't Nicola Sturgeon as keen as you tap a second independence
:30:40. > :30:43.referendum. I am sure there is no difference between us on that.
:30:44. > :30:47.Nicola is going about things the right way. She has offered
:30:48. > :30:51.compromise proposals which have been knocked down one by one. The last
:30:52. > :30:56.one is the proposal to keep Scotland in the single market even if the
:30:57. > :31:00.rest of the UK goes out, an argument which has been described as possible
:31:01. > :31:05.by a Cabinet minister. That is the one that the UK Government have
:31:06. > :31:10.still to respond to. If they do not respond in the way that she would
:31:11. > :31:16.like, will there be a second referendum? The criteria is to put
:31:17. > :31:20.it in as part of the negotiating position. My understanding is that
:31:21. > :31:26.they will not go that route. Forgive her if she waits for the decision. I
:31:27. > :31:31.was struck by a quote from a Downing Street source in the Times which
:31:32. > :31:34.said, we might have three constitutional crises together,
:31:35. > :31:38.Brexit, is Scottish referendum and direct rule in Northern Ireland. It
:31:39. > :31:43.was said as if these things were coming as an act of God. They are
:31:44. > :31:49.within the ability of Downing Street to have them altogether or not. But
:31:50. > :31:54.I asked if, in your view, there would be a second independence
:31:55. > :31:58.referendum. If the government sweeps aside the compromise proposal from
:31:59. > :32:02.Nicola Sturgeon, if they are not interested in the view of the
:32:03. > :32:07.Scottish parliament, jobs, security in the marketplace, then in Nicola
:32:08. > :32:12.Sturgeon's bone words, a referendum becomes very likely. But she is not
:32:13. > :32:16.going to call for a second referendum unless she thinks she can
:32:17. > :32:20.win. There is evidence that there is more support for that now than there
:32:21. > :32:26.was previously. That is a real political problem. Two thirds of
:32:27. > :32:35.people do not want a second referendum. That is not true either.
:32:36. > :32:38.Two thirds of people do not want a second referendum and it looks like
:32:39. > :32:44.it would be the same result, and that is a real problem for the SNP.
:32:45. > :32:49.There have been 18 polls since the Brexit vote. 17 out of 18 have shown
:32:50. > :32:56.support for independence on a binary choice higher than it was in
:32:57. > :33:02.September 2000 and 14. They still show a minority, though. Not all of
:33:03. > :33:11.them. But on a poll of polls it would still be... About 47, 40 8%.
:33:12. > :33:16.The last one was 49%. I recall the independence referendum was 28% for
:33:17. > :33:25.a yes vote back in 2012. If I was prepared to do it at 28%, I do not
:33:26. > :33:28.think Nicola Sturgeon would mind at 47%. But she has always contended
:33:29. > :33:32.there would only be a second referendum if it was the clear will
:33:33. > :33:39.of the Scottish people and the polls do not show that. The manifesto
:33:40. > :33:44.commitment from last year when she was elected with 47% of the vote was
:33:45. > :33:47.that the Scottish parliament should have the right to hold a referendum
:33:48. > :33:52.if Scotland is faced with being dragged out of Europe against the
:33:53. > :33:57.will of the Scottish people. That is a clear mandate. I interviewed her
:33:58. > :34:01.and she said we will have won if the Scottish people want one. The only
:34:02. > :34:10.way to judge that is from the polls, which are quite clear that they do
:34:11. > :34:15.not want one. I think if we gained as much ground as we did in the last
:34:16. > :34:21.referendum... I am talking about having a referendum. Nicola has
:34:22. > :34:24.described the chances of another referendum in the event of that
:34:25. > :34:29.compromise proposal not being accepted or included in the UK
:34:30. > :34:34.negotiating position as very likely. With respect to the Westminster
:34:35. > :34:40.observers, you would be very foolish to underrate the resolve of Nicola
:34:41. > :34:43.Sturgeon. Are you up for a second referendum? I find it extraordinary
:34:44. > :34:48.that the UK Government has managed to put itself in a position where
:34:49. > :34:51.apparently the SNP can call a referendum whenever it feels the
:34:52. > :34:57.opinion polls are drifting in its direction. The incompetence involved
:34:58. > :35:00.in the UK legislation that enabled the first referendum is
:35:01. > :35:05.extraordinary. Alex said, when the first referendum result was
:35:06. > :35:09.concluded, that it was settled for a generation, and many people would
:35:10. > :35:11.feel cheated that the SNP view is that whenever opinion polls swing in
:35:12. > :35:18.their direction they would like another referendum. You do not
:35:19. > :35:22.dispute the event from the SNP manifesto, that the Scottish
:35:23. > :35:27.Parliament should have the right to hold another referendum. It is clear
:35:28. > :35:33.enough. It is clear but we are not bound to agree with it. You said at
:35:34. > :35:39.the time that it was settled for a generation. Yes, but that was last
:35:40. > :35:42.year. Yes, and now you are saying something else. Last year in the
:35:43. > :35:48.manifesto for the Scottish elections, Nicola Sturgeon put
:35:49. > :35:54.forward that proposition. You have kicked yourself ever since you said
:35:55. > :35:58.it was settled for a generation. You made one mistake when you said it
:35:59. > :36:04.was for a generation and another when you left the leadership. I have
:36:05. > :36:07.made many mistakes. What if the Westminster government says, if you
:36:08. > :36:14.want a second referendum, you should have one, but you can't have one
:36:15. > :36:18.until the Brexit deal is done, until the Scottish people know what the
:36:19. > :36:24.choice is, Britain out of the EU on these terms, or independence? On a
:36:25. > :36:28.clear manifesto commitment, if there is a majority in the Scottish
:36:29. > :36:32.Parliament, my view is that the boat sailed when David Cameron first
:36:33. > :36:39.resisted the idea of a Scottish referendum. You have a referendum
:36:40. > :36:45.before we knew the terms of Brexit? The soonest we go have a referendum
:36:46. > :36:52.is next autumn. The shape of the Brexit deal will be done. Not the
:36:53. > :36:56.way that Europe operates. It would be the prospect of a certain
:36:57. > :37:00.European future against the uncertainty of Brexit, which seems
:37:01. > :37:10.an appealing prospect on which to hold a referendum. John McDonnell
:37:11. > :37:15.thinks there is a soft coup under way against the late -- Labour
:37:16. > :37:19.leadership, so he's inviting Peter Mandelson ran for tea, a euphemism
:37:20. > :37:25.for breaking his legs. Here, a cup of tea means just that, and to keep
:37:26. > :37:30.this well oiled machine running cast and crew have to abide by civilised
:37:31. > :37:34.norms. No kneeling on the sofas, no knee capping and no Pete Doherty.
:37:35. > :37:41.That is why we are putting codes of conduct in the spotlight.
:37:42. > :37:45.Parliament is a place where politicians fight.
:37:46. > :37:48.I think that word actually describes the right honourable
:37:49. > :37:59.But do codes of conduct keep scraps good, clean fun?
:38:00. > :38:01.Not for Labour's Mary Creagh on Tuesday.
:38:02. > :38:03.I would urge her not to be hysterical about
:38:04. > :38:08.I expect that sort of language from the sketch writers
:38:09. > :38:10.of the Daily Mail, not from the Chancellor
:38:11. > :38:17.What are the rules when it comes to clashes between
:38:18. > :38:21.Nigel Farage gave Ukip's sole MP, Douglas Carswell,
:38:22. > :38:26.I dislike him because he damaged me, Ukip and the Leave campaign.
:38:27. > :38:30.I've been campaigning to get rid of him for a very long time.
:38:31. > :38:40.Meanwhile, Donald Trump continued to tear up
:38:41. > :38:45.the civilised rules of engagement between politicians and press.
:38:46. > :38:48.They say that we can't criticise their dishonest coverage
:38:49. > :38:53.You know, they always bring up "the first amendment".
:38:54. > :38:56.But the Donald upheld a collegiate code when he called for politicians
:38:57. > :39:00.to set aside their differences for the sake of the nation during
:39:01. > :39:06.Democrats and Republicans should get together and unite
:39:07. > :39:11.As did parliamentarians and journalists, for charity,
:39:12. > :39:24.# Sound boy, Rodigan no inna no fuss and fight.#
:39:25. > :39:26.Clashes are reggae DJ David Rodigan's bread-and-butter.
:39:27. > :39:31.So are codes of conduct essential to keeping competition fun
:39:32. > :39:56.Welcome to the prop -- programme. You specialise in sound clash. Does
:39:57. > :40:01.it have a code of conduct? Definitely, stretching back over 60
:40:02. > :40:07.years. Jamaicans love contest. In the late 50s and rolling into the
:40:08. > :40:11.1960s, enormous mobile discos would travel around entertaining local
:40:12. > :40:17.communities. They were powered and driven by acetate switch were
:40:18. > :40:20.exclusive recordings. Then they started importing records from
:40:21. > :40:24.America and then making their own records. And the essence of this
:40:25. > :40:29.culture is that ultimately boils down to contest, who can draw the
:40:30. > :40:33.biggest crowd. The quality of the sound system and teams of sound
:40:34. > :40:38.system players, at least half a dozen, they'll have a job to do. In
:40:39. > :40:45.later years, that lead to actual clashing. Thousands would turn up
:40:46. > :40:47.for these. They have them in New York, Jamaica, Japan. It is a
:40:48. > :40:53.worldwide phenomenon, incredibly popular. To watch an Italian sound
:40:54. > :40:59.system crashing against German sound systems is something to behold. They
:41:00. > :41:05.are that obsessed with the culture. And they follow a code of conduct.
:41:06. > :41:08.The rules are clear. You have to have a spokesperson for your sound
:41:09. > :41:13.system. They are called a Mike person. And they have too referred
:41:14. > :41:21.to the track that has just been played. If you go to the grand
:41:22. > :41:24.finale, the one for one, there is an elimination process with six or
:41:25. > :41:30.eight sound systems and you are left with two. It lasts for five hours
:41:31. > :41:33.and you are left with two, a play-off. They played the best of
:41:34. > :41:40.ten and every recording has to be unique and have then a minute. So
:41:41. > :41:45.all of this has been customised. If your competitor plays a song by
:41:46. > :41:50.Johnny Osborne, your speech has to connect to that track, the rhythm
:41:51. > :41:53.track, or something that would lead you and your team to playing a
:41:54. > :41:58.better Johnny Osborne, or a reaction to that Johnny Osborne. The speech
:41:59. > :42:02.is all-important and it can sometimes get a bigger forward, a
:42:03. > :42:07.Jamaican expression for a response from the crowd, than the record. The
:42:08. > :42:14.speaker is very important. Listening to you, if this has rules of
:42:15. > :42:17.conduct, which seems like a clash without rules, it seems that
:42:18. > :42:25.everything needs rules of conduct in some way, to work. Of course. That
:42:26. > :42:28.is how it works best. It is when people break the rules of conduct
:42:29. > :42:32.and punch below the belt and make unnecessary comments because they
:42:33. > :42:36.are lost for words and do not know what to say in connection to the
:42:37. > :42:43.music... What draws people to the clash is how exclusive the music is.
:42:44. > :42:47.Is the arbiter of the crowd? Absolutely. Thousands of die-hard
:42:48. > :42:56.fans will stand in Brooklyn from 9pm until 4am. They will not like it if
:42:57. > :43:01.you break the rules. They do not like it. Sometimes the race card is
:43:02. > :43:09.used, personal comments are made, and the crowd react accordingly. You
:43:10. > :43:15.love it, don't you? We should go on a trip to see one. It is phenomenal.
:43:16. > :43:19.I got into it with a fellow broadcaster. I worked for the BBC on
:43:20. > :43:24.Sunday evenings and years ago I started working with a colleague in
:43:25. > :43:31.Jamaica and we did a radio clash. Where can we see you next? In a
:43:32. > :43:34.field somewhere this summer. I did not want to bring them in because
:43:35. > :43:37.they did not know what you were talking about, and they were
:43:38. > :43:40.learning something, which is always useful.
:43:41. > :43:43.Now, that's your lot for tonight bruvs, but not for dis crew.
:43:44. > :43:46.We be reppin hard at ma girl LouLou's crib innit.
:43:47. > :43:52.I have strictly no idea what I'm saying.
:43:53. > :43:54.For those of you who can't hack the pace of an all-
:43:55. > :43:59.nighter, we leave you with the settling sounds of Melania Trump
:44:00. > :44:06.reading to children at a New York Hospital.
:44:07. > :44:09.Nighty night, don't let Dr Seuss, or for that matter,
:44:10. > :44:27.I came here to encourage everyone to read and to
:44:28. > :44:37.just think about the books and what you want to achieve in life.
:44:38. > :45:00.You can steer yourself any directions you choose.
:45:01. > :45:06.You're too smart to go down any too so good street.