:00:12. > :00:16.Why would you ever want to leave the EU?
:00:17. > :00:26.But we are because most of us want to.
:00:27. > :00:32.But can we make it a bloody good British success?
:00:33. > :00:35.Brexit's coming and Mrs May says its time to pull together.
:00:36. > :00:44.Tea and have your cake and eat it, Prime Minister.
:00:45. > :00:46.I don't know how it's going to happen, but I do think
:00:47. > :01:00.Oh, little Britain will be bigger, more confident and better off
:01:01. > :01:18.Britain, Britain, Britain - with the best TV show,
:01:19. > :01:23.This Week, and our dogs are relatively rabies free.
:01:24. > :01:26.We're leaving and it's all thanks to the peoples of Britain.
:01:27. > :01:41.And I start with the momentous news that we have triggered our
:01:42. > :01:47.Yes, tonight we've written to the director general of the BBC,
:01:48. > :01:50.at his headquarters in the Cayman Islands,
:01:51. > :01:54.to inform him we've had enough of living in the shadow of a large,
:01:55. > :01:56.lumbering giant, unelected, undemocratic and unknown
:01:57. > :01:59.beyond a small circle of political obsessives.
:02:00. > :02:04.We're throwing off the shackles of BBC Yentobs, we're taking back
:02:05. > :02:08.control and we're sailing full steam ahead towards our very own red,
:02:09. > :02:33.Yes folks, we're off to a new prime time slot on Trump TV.
:02:34. > :02:37.We will, of course, maintain a deep and special
:02:38. > :02:40.But any attempt to make us pay for all the Blue Nun we've drunk
:02:41. > :02:40.over the years will result in the immediate withdrawal
:02:41. > :02:41.of Molly the Guard Dog from BBC security duty.
:02:42. > :02:41.No, the pedants among you will say there's no such thing as Trump TV,
:02:42. > :02:41.which can only mean you've not watched Fox News.
:02:42. > :02:42.More important, the only alternative was the 10.00pm
:02:43. > :02:46.Now, I know we're bad, but we're not that bad!
:02:47. > :02:49.I'm joined on the sofa tonight by two salty old sea dogs that
:02:50. > :02:54.Think of them of the dogs and bollocks of late
:02:55. > :02:57.I speak of course of Liz #FourPercent Kendall
:02:58. > :03:09.Stop laughing. Michael, your moment of the week? It has to be the
:03:10. > :03:13.triggering of Article 50. It's the moment of, I don't know, several
:03:14. > :03:17.decades There was a time I might of dreamed of being part of an
:03:18. > :03:21.administration that would lead Britain out of the European Union.
:03:22. > :03:26.It would have been a dream. I don't know whether to compare it with the
:03:27. > :03:29.French Revolution or the American independence but I will compare it
:03:30. > :03:33.to the separation of the Czech Republic and Slovakia. It's a very
:03:34. > :03:39.big moment and history books will be written about how it happened. Very
:03:40. > :03:42.well. That big. Your moment. I can't not say triggering Article 50
:03:43. > :03:46.either. Hard to get away from it, isn't it? It's definitely the
:03:47. > :03:50.biggest political moment of my lifetime. There were so many things
:03:51. > :03:56.from the day, but one of the things that really struck me was when
:03:57. > :04:03.Donald Tusk said, "we miss you already." For me... He was very
:04:04. > :04:08.emotional, wasn't he? Polish, close allies of Britain in the European
:04:09. > :04:12.Union? A reminder that our past and I still hope our future are
:04:13. > :04:15.intimately linked. They are long-term friends and allies. We are
:04:16. > :04:18.going to need to have that at the forefront of our minds with these
:04:19. > :04:25.difficult negotiations in the years ahead. It will probably surprise you
:04:26. > :04:30.both, we will come back to this. We are going straight to it now.
:04:31. > :04:32.So the long and winding road to divorce from
:04:33. > :04:35.For some, it's a matter of excitement.
:04:36. > :04:39.Here on This Week, for example, panic buying of Blue Nun gripped
:04:40. > :04:42.the team lest punitive tariffs are slapped on German white wine.
:04:43. > :04:43.Predictably, they've drunk all these fresh stocks already.
:04:44. > :04:47.But for a part of the political elite that played such a prominent
:04:48. > :04:49.role in the Remain campaign, there's still a reluctance to come
:04:50. > :04:52.to terms with the result and the fervent hope that somehow,
:04:53. > :05:08.somewhere, the decision taken last June the 23rd can be reversed.
:05:09. > :05:10.Here's former spin doctor-in-chief, now editor-at-large
:05:11. > :05:11.of the New European, Alastair Campbell,
:05:12. > :05:24.And now is the time, says Theresa May, we all have
:05:25. > :05:29.Well, I'm sorry, Mrs May, you've got about as much chance of that
:05:30. > :05:35.as the Health Service getting ?350 million extra this week.
:05:36. > :05:48.So I'm going to do my bit, editor-at-large, no less,
:05:49. > :05:51.I don't think I've ever known the country so divided.
:05:52. > :05:53.Scotland, there's Nicola Sturgeon setting out why she thinks
:05:54. > :05:57.Of course, Mrs May says it's going to cause division,
:05:58. > :05:59.Not like her Brexit strategy, of course.
:06:00. > :06:04.I was at Martin McGuinness' funeral last week and of course a lot
:06:05. > :06:06.of talk was about Martin and tributes to him,
:06:07. > :06:09.but there was an awful lot of talk about Brexit,
:06:10. > :06:11.the possible return of a hard border and a weaker economy,
:06:12. > :06:14.and the damage that could do to the peace process.
:06:15. > :06:16.There's a couple of things Theresa May really thinks
:06:17. > :06:19.One, is the Brextremist right-wing newspapers
:06:20. > :06:26.are wonderful and the other is her deep seated belief that
:06:27. > :06:28.Jeremy Corbyn's never going to be elected Prime Minister.
:06:29. > :06:38.That's my old office, in Number Ten there.
:06:39. > :06:41.You know, I was involved in quite a lot of European
:06:42. > :06:46.I think she's going to find Mr Barnier a lot tougher
:06:47. > :06:48.than she found seeing off Johnson and Gove for the Tory leadership.
:06:49. > :06:50.Whatever you might read in the Brextremist newspapers,
:06:51. > :06:58.Mrs May doesn't even have a united Cabinet on this.
:06:59. > :07:00.I bumped into one of her ministers the other day,
:07:01. > :07:03.he said they're not even allowed to raise concerns about her policy
:07:04. > :07:13.And he said to me, "you've got to keep going with your campaign."
:07:14. > :07:17.I accept I'm in a minority when I say that I think Brexit can
:07:18. > :07:20.be stopped, but I don't believe I am in a minority in saying
:07:21. > :07:25.I don't know what the mechanism is going to be, but I believe it can
:07:26. > :07:28.happen, I believe it will happen and I believe it must happen.
:07:29. > :07:31.And Alastair Campbell is with us now.
:07:32. > :07:38.Welcome to the programme. Thank you. What is the evidence that a majority
:07:39. > :07:43.want to stop it? Where did you get that from? I have good instinctses
:07:44. > :07:46.about things. That is not evidence? I don't believe the polls, if you
:07:47. > :07:50.are going to throw a few polls at me. I do events around different
:07:51. > :07:54.parts of the country, every single event I do at the moment I ask three
:07:55. > :07:58.questions - are you optimistic or pessimistic about Brexit? Are you
:07:59. > :08:02.optimistic or pessimistic about Donald Trump and do you think Jeremy
:08:03. > :08:09.Corbyn can be Prime Minister by 2020? And I would say that people
:08:10. > :08:15.are overwhelmingly pessimistic about Brexit. Utterly pessimistic about
:08:16. > :08:29.Trump and most people think Jeremy Corbyn hasn't a hope. Your meetings
:08:30. > :08:32.are anecdotes. Consumer spending doesn't show people are pessimistic
:08:33. > :08:39.at all or they wouldn't be spending. I don't see how you can be for or
:08:40. > :08:40.against it. The idea there is a majority in this country gagging to
:08:41. > :08:44.stop Brexit you are becoming delusional? They are not necessarily
:08:45. > :08:49.gagging. Those who are de-Lewesal who are living in la la lapped if
:08:50. > :08:54.they think in two years they can put together a deal they have been
:08:55. > :08:57.promising. You do a good job at holding ministers to account. But
:08:58. > :09:03.because we don't have the opposition that we should be having, we have
:09:04. > :09:06.had a situation where even since the referendum we have gone from, we
:09:07. > :09:11.will definitely stay in the single market. We are out. Will be in the
:09:12. > :09:16.customs union. Now we are out. Who said the single market? Boris
:09:17. > :09:19.Johnson. No I didn't I have tape of him during the referendum campaign
:09:20. > :09:25.saying they would leave the single market and so did Michael Gove. You
:09:26. > :09:29.are rewriting history. He is on-the-record saying he will have to
:09:30. > :09:36.leave? I'm telling you what he said to me. I have the tapes. You have no
:09:37. > :09:40.evidence to say he said we would stay in the single market. This is
:09:41. > :09:45.with a they do. Now not Boris Johnson? Nigel Farage doesn't bother
:09:46. > :09:49.with the ?350 million he said he didn't say, that Boris did. They
:09:50. > :09:53.dance around. They do not - the public were lied to. They have not
:09:54. > :09:58.been properly held to account for. That as they realise they will not
:09:59. > :10:01.get the deal the promises made are not being fulfilled I think an awful
:10:02. > :10:07.lot - You hope rather than think. Can Brexit be stopped? I don't know
:10:08. > :10:10.whether it can or not. It certainly shouldn't be. I don't think it will
:10:11. > :10:15.be. I would like Alastair and Tony Blair to campaign for it to be
:10:16. > :10:19.stopped day after day I think they are powerfully helping to solidify
:10:20. > :10:23.opinion. I think your intervention against the democratic will is quite
:10:24. > :10:26.offensive to a lot of people. It's part of democracy for people to
:10:27. > :10:33.change their minds. I think people are changing their minds. There I I
:10:34. > :10:37.think you are delusional. If people are change it's a solidify caution
:10:38. > :10:41.of their view. I'm pessimistic about the negotiations. The reason I am is
:10:42. > :10:45.that I think the European Union will make the wrong decision. The right
:10:46. > :10:48.decision will be to have an amicable settlement with the British and the
:10:49. > :10:51.wrong decision would be because they are so defensive to have an
:10:52. > :10:55.acronymous settlement with the British. The fact is that the
:10:56. > :10:58.European Union can be relied upon always to make the wrong decision.
:10:59. > :11:03.The creation of the euro, wrong decision. Creation of free movement
:11:04. > :11:06.of people, wrong decision. Creation of the Common Agriculture Policy,
:11:07. > :11:12.wrong decision. Why do they make the wrong decision, they are obsessed
:11:13. > :11:22.with moving closer closer European Union. That means they make
:11:23. > :11:53.political not economic choices. Hold on. They have have created political
:11:54. > :11:54.institutions instead of concentrating (loss of sound) Do you
:11:55. > :11:54.think it can be stopped? There is always a possibility of it being
:11:55. > :11:55.stopped. There are clearly - there are a significant minority who want
:11:56. > :11:55.a second referendum. I don't yet sense a substantial majority. Where
:11:56. > :11:56.I think Alastair - Do you want to see a second referendum? No, I
:11:57. > :11:57.don't. I think we need to hold the Government to account far more
:11:58. > :12:00.effectively. I'd like to see us have more fight against a no deal Brexit,
:12:01. > :12:05.which I think will be will be a disaster for the country. I disagree
:12:06. > :12:11.with Michael on Europe making the wrong decision. I was in Berlin last
:12:12. > :12:16.week and it's quite clear that there is a strong sense that Europe has
:12:17. > :12:20.got to sort out the problems of the Eurozone. Has got to sort out the
:12:21. > :12:24.issues with security and migration. This is actually bringing them
:12:25. > :12:29.together to focus more on what matters to people. The Rome
:12:30. > :12:34.declaration had no substance in it at all. It became clear that Britain
:12:35. > :12:37.is not the only person, as a member, getting Europe together. Even
:12:38. > :12:42.without Britain they can't really agree what to do. I wouldn't be sure
:12:43. > :12:45.about that. I want to come back to Alastair. You said you didn't know
:12:46. > :12:48.how it would happen yet to stop it. No. Would a second referendum,
:12:49. > :12:53.referendum on the deal. You can argue - I think that is probably the
:12:54. > :12:56.only way. Or there could be another way, this is more difficult given
:12:57. > :13:00.what you said about the state of the Labour Party. If she gets a deal,
:13:01. > :13:05.she could go to the country on the deal? She could. On current, the way
:13:06. > :13:08.things are at the moment, she would probably win that. Your side would
:13:09. > :13:12.have a better chance, I would suggest, on a referendum? I mean,
:13:13. > :13:16.one of the reasons why I'm pet putting as much energy into this as
:13:17. > :13:20.I can is because I really do think it's the most pressing issue facing
:13:21. > :13:24.the country. I think there is something tragic about the fact that
:13:25. > :13:34.she's gone over there with this very hard Brexit policy. The Labour Party
:13:35. > :13:37.does, I'm afraid, can't get its act together for a inwithing strategy.
:13:38. > :13:44.The SNP is on the march in Scotland. You end up, you have the Lib Dems
:13:45. > :13:49.really that are really saying we want a second referendum. You will
:13:50. > :13:54.not join them? No. There will be a churn in politics. We are in that
:13:55. > :13:58.age. I said in the film I don't know what the mechanism is. If you think
:13:59. > :14:01.that six months ago nobody thought Trump would be President. A year ago
:14:02. > :14:05.none of us thought Brexit would happen. I think a lot of stuff will
:14:06. > :14:09.happen. I think people are going to get very angry, very, very quickly
:14:10. > :14:14.about what Brexit will do to Britain. For you to be right, for
:14:15. > :14:31.you to get your way, things have to go wrong. Either the negotiations
:14:32. > :14:52.I don't agree. My point was for you to get your way, it really all has
:14:53. > :14:56.to go to hell in a hand basket and wishing that to happen is not a good
:14:57. > :14:59.thing. I'm not wishing it to happen but I honestly believe the
:15:00. > :15:02.negotiations will be far more difficult than the country's been
:15:03. > :15:06.told they are. We have an awful lot to lose. They are not being honest
:15:07. > :15:14.about it. Alastair turns things on their head. Mrs May is not going to
:15:15. > :15:18.Europe with a hard Brexit. It's been said the free movement of people is
:15:19. > :15:22.an integral part of the single market, which is tosh, it's not.
:15:23. > :15:27.Free movement of Labour might be part of the single market. It's a
:15:28. > :15:40.bad decision. It's about creating the single European state.
:15:41. > :15:47.If your party had been convinced, you would have probably won the
:15:48. > :15:51.referendum? It's possible. I think that is another thing that fuels
:15:52. > :15:54.people's anger about this. You can't just blame it on Jeremy Corbyn. I
:15:55. > :15:58.put a lot of the blame on David Cameron for having the referendum
:15:59. > :16:03.and for fighting the campaign that he did. But you can't have a
:16:04. > :16:05.situation in our country. Our democracy depends on having a strong
:16:06. > :16:09.Government that sets out what it's going to do and it has a strong
:16:10. > :16:12.opposition that at least has the outside chance of winning an
:16:13. > :16:16.election. We keep on having a referendum where we get a clear-cut
:16:17. > :16:19.result, some closer than others. It was clear-cut, but it was close. The
:16:20. > :16:22.same in the Scottish referendum. The people who lost the Scottish
:16:23. > :16:25.referendum, they want another referendum. You lost Brexit, you
:16:26. > :16:29.want another referendum. Here is a question I want to ask you, Liz,
:16:30. > :16:33.because you would think if the negotiations go wrong, if it becomes
:16:34. > :16:37.messy, if it's not clear cut that we are going to get a proper deal, you
:16:38. > :16:42.could say things could begin to move Alastair's way. On the other hand,
:16:43. > :16:47.the British might think, why are the Europeans being so beastly to I us,
:16:48. > :16:50.they could become more Brexit? I can see that very easily happening where
:16:51. > :16:55.all the blame is on Europe. My view of it is, if you decide to leave a
:16:56. > :17:00.club, stop paying subs, you don't want to abide by the rules, you are
:17:01. > :17:03.not going to be able to use the facilities. Most British people
:17:04. > :17:08.would understand that actually as being a reasonable position, but we
:17:09. > :17:13.have to set the agenda. You know, I do not believe that those of us who
:17:14. > :17:18.want to see a good deal and would like us to still be in the single
:17:19. > :17:22.market and customs union and cooperate on security, we are not
:17:23. > :17:26.extreme or unpatriotic, we are standing founder people's interests
:17:27. > :17:29.and part of the problem is that anybody who questions things is
:17:30. > :17:33.shouted down for being unpatriotic and that part of the... I'm not
:17:34. > :17:37.going to shout you down, but one more question. I want to stand back
:17:38. > :17:43.a bit, Alastair. I understand why people who wanted to remain are
:17:44. > :17:48.upset that they lost and in many cases quite sad about it. I'm
:17:49. > :17:51.slightly puzzled why you feel so strongly about it because you are on
:17:52. > :17:57.the left. Why does the EU matter so much to you? It's created absolute
:17:58. > :18:01.misery in Greece. There's mass youth unemployment all across the
:18:02. > :18:08.Mediterranean. There's been scler rottic growth for ten years, social
:18:09. > :18:12.democracy is in retreat just about everywhere -- scleroitc. And a club
:18:13. > :18:15.class elite is at the heart of Brussels. Why is the left, someone
:18:16. > :18:19.like you so strong? Two reasons. One I think for all the faults and
:18:20. > :18:23.problems, the European Union has played a very big role in helping to
:18:24. > :18:26.deliver several decades of relative peace and prosperity for most
:18:27. > :18:34.people. But the other thing I think is the fact that so many young
:18:35. > :18:38.people... 25% youth unemployment in Europe. I'm talking about Britain.
:18:39. > :18:42.Any Government that governs against its own people is a Government
:18:43. > :18:46.doomed to fail. Most young people, they are not thinking in this sort
:18:47. > :18:49.of fairly narrow nationalistic terms. I think they feel their
:18:50. > :18:54.future's being taken away from them. All right. I'm speaking for the
:18:55. > :18:58.young, an true. Not your generation or Michael's generation. It's Liz's
:18:59. > :19:03.generation I'm talking about. You charmer, Alastair. Clearly not mine.
:19:04. > :19:08.Alastair Campbell, good to see you, thank you.
:19:09. > :19:10.Now it's late, dark web with Amber Rudd late.
:19:11. > :19:12.Yes, the Home Secretary's been going after Whatsapp
:19:13. > :19:15.allegedly to fight terrorism, but we know what she's really up to.
:19:16. > :19:17.She's trying to slip into This Week database
:19:18. > :19:21.Well, Home Secretary, I've got news for you.
:19:22. > :19:23.If your cyber geeks ever do manage to break our digital defences
:19:24. > :19:25.they'll find the This Week vault is empty!
:19:26. > :19:29.Which, since you're a regular viewer, should have been
:19:30. > :19:38.Anyway, waiting in the wings is model Daisy Lowe,
:19:39. > :19:40.here to put confidence in our Spotlight.
:19:41. > :19:43.For once, stay away from all social media unless you're using
:19:44. > :19:45.the necessary hashtags, as Amber Rudd wrongly put it.
:19:46. > :19:48.Use pointers, handwritten letters, slide rules, telegrams
:19:49. > :19:56.MI5 have no idea how to intercept any of that.
:19:57. > :20:01.Now, the triggering of Article 50 is reverberating
:20:02. > :20:04.in every nook and cranny of British political life.
:20:05. > :20:10.I'm told they speak of nothing else, even in such remote gathering points
:20:11. > :20:12.as the Kilted Numpty, my favourite hostelry
:20:13. > :20:16.Yes despite this heightened awareness of matters politic,
:20:17. > :20:21.or perhaps because of it, the Labour party is sinking faster
:20:22. > :20:24.down the manhole of political oblivion than the proverbial off
:20:25. > :20:28.a shovel, Nigel Farage has abandoned politics to bend bananas
:20:29. > :20:31.in his local Tesco's and Larry the Downing Street Cat has
:20:32. > :20:33.asked to be transferred to Angela Merkel's office.
:20:34. > :20:36.He says the German Chancellor has a better sense
:20:37. > :20:40.Which tells you just about everything when it
:20:41. > :20:44.And, not be outdone, Nicola "Angry" Sturgeon,
:20:45. > :20:47.has announced she's going to rebuild Hadrian's wall and make
:20:48. > :20:51.the English pay for it in new pounds coins; well,
:20:52. > :20:54.it's her best idea so far to secure a decent currency.
:20:55. > :21:05.Here's John Pienaar with the rest of the political week.
:21:06. > :21:07.# You keep playing me like a fruit machine.
:21:08. > :21:10.# Putting in change systemically...#.
:21:11. > :21:14.I don't know about you, but I like a bit of a flutter,
:21:15. > :21:17.not much, just what I can afford to lose, a bit like Brexit,
:21:18. > :21:20.at least if you happen to be one of those -
:21:21. > :21:23.let's give it a go, what have we got to lose,
:21:24. > :21:31.Didn't sound like a gamble during the referendum, though.
:21:32. > :21:34.Wasn't it meant to be a win, win - free trade with Europe,
:21:35. > :21:37.Now ministers, including Brexiteers and old remainers,
:21:38. > :21:40.like the Prime Minister, when she launched Brexit this week,
:21:41. > :21:45.are crossing their fingers and hoping the Europeans play nicely.
:21:46. > :21:49.After all, we Brits like to play nicely.
:21:50. > :21:53.I have set out a clear and ambitious plan for the negotiations ahead.
:21:54. > :21:58.It is a plan for a new, deep and special partnership between
:21:59. > :22:05.A partnership of values, a partnership of interests,
:22:06. > :22:07.a partnership based on co-operation in areas such as security
:22:08. > :22:12.Because perhaps now more than ever, the world needs the liberal
:22:13. > :22:22.Well, at least it's game on now, it's just taken the best part
:22:23. > :22:25.of a year to pull up a chair, now, it's about winning and losing.
:22:26. > :22:29.And the truth is, when the Brexit game starts, Britain
:22:30. > :22:31.will expect to do both - lose some on budget payments,
:22:32. > :22:35.win some, lose some on immigration control and win, well,
:22:36. > :22:39.we're going to win back control and this's something, isn't it?
:22:40. > :22:43.Not Jeremy Corbyn though, He's hoping to win whatever happens,
:22:44. > :22:47.some of his side believe taht he's a secret Brexiteer.
:22:48. > :22:49.He denies that, saying it can't be true.
:22:50. > :22:53.Even if he is a bit of a secret sceptic, he doesn't want to back any
:22:54. > :22:57.deal Theresa May gets and, just to be sure, he's demanding
:22:58. > :23:00.she walk away from the deal with exactly the same benefits
:23:01. > :23:04.as a full EU member, and nothing else will do.
:23:05. > :23:09.Labour will not give this Government a free hand to use
:23:10. > :23:14.Brexit to attack rights, protections and cut services
:23:15. > :23:24.So let me be clear, Mr Speaker, the Prime Minister says that no deal
:23:25. > :23:34.But the reality is, no deal is a bad deal.
:23:35. > :23:38.Which all sounded pretty tough and it might have worked if only
:23:39. > :23:42.most of his MPs hadn't already decided that Jeremy couldn't pull
:23:43. > :23:48.A lot of those same MPs, by the way, didn't dare oppose Brexit,
:23:49. > :23:50.even if secretly they agreed with Nick - I mean, Tim.
:23:51. > :23:54.Our children and our grandchildren will judge all of us
:23:55. > :24:01.I am determined that I will look my children in the eye
:24:02. > :24:06.and be able to say that I did everything to prevent this
:24:07. > :24:10.calamity that the Prime Minister has today chosen.
:24:11. > :24:16.We're leaving, he's won, even if his party can't any more.
:24:17. > :24:23.25 years I've been battling for this and standing in by-elections
:24:24. > :24:26.and fighting and being told I was daft and silly and it
:24:27. > :24:31.So, in a sense, for me, today's the day the impossible dream came true.
:24:32. > :24:34.Europe's hurting over the break-up, Donald Tusk,
:24:35. > :24:39.You could almost have set his farewell to music.
:24:40. > :24:44.There's no reason to pretend that this is a happy
:24:45. > :24:51.day neither in Brussels nor in London.
:24:52. > :25:01.What can I add to this, we already miss you.
:25:02. > :25:11.Angela Merkel doesn't get sad, she gets even -
:25:12. > :25:13.no trade deal until after the divorce, she says.
:25:14. > :25:17.The president of the European Parliament, he says -
:25:18. > :25:20.don't even think about changing migrants right until we leave
:25:21. > :25:26.As for the Union, the British one that is, the Government
:25:27. > :25:29.of Northern Ireland looks shaky and just listen to Nicola Sturgeon.
:25:30. > :25:33.This is simply about giving people in Scotland a choice.
:25:34. > :25:37.We agree that now is not the right time for that choice,
:25:38. > :25:42.but that choice should be available to people in Scotland when the terms
:25:43. > :25:46.Poor Jeremy Corbyn, I expect he could just do with a nice
:25:47. > :25:51.The polls look dismal, his staff keep walking out
:25:52. > :25:54.and his friends just seem to add to the pressure, even when they're
:25:55. > :26:01.I'm hoping that he's given an opportunity to put
:26:02. > :26:04.the alternatives that Labour are building to the British
:26:05. > :26:08.electorate and, hopefully, we'll see if he can break
:26:09. > :26:11.through and the opinion polls begin to change.
:26:12. > :26:14.I would suggest that the next 15 months or so will give
:26:15. > :26:21.Just now, Brexit is the only game in town and at least
:26:22. > :26:24.Theresa May sound up for it, she's going to need to be.
:26:25. > :26:28.Your Brexit Minister, David Davis, he said that there will be a free
:26:29. > :26:31.trade deal which will quote, "deliver the exact same
:26:32. > :26:43.What we're both looking for is that comprehensive free trade agreement
:26:44. > :26:46.which gives that ability to trade freely into the European
:26:47. > :26:48.It can't be the same benefit, can it?
:26:49. > :26:54.It will be a different relationship, but I think it can have the same
:26:55. > :26:56.benefits in terms of that free access to trade.
:26:57. > :26:58.# You keep playing me like a fruit machine #.
:26:59. > :27:31.Joining me now is Ukip's Deputy Chair and Health spokesperson,
:27:32. > :27:39.With her is the only Scottish weapon more powerful than Trident,
:27:40. > :27:42.the modern day William Wallace, the shining light, beacon of hope,
:27:43. > :27:48.the Celtic Casanova himself, John #SNPSuperstar Nicolson.
:27:49. > :27:53.Welcome to you both. Suzanne, Article 50 allows for only two
:27:54. > :27:58.years, we have to settle the terms of the divorce, that's going to be
:27:59. > :28:02.complicated. We have to agree new relationship with the EU, that's
:28:03. > :28:05.going to be even more complicated. Can that really be done in two
:28:06. > :28:09.years? This is the worry I've always had. I think Article 50 was probably
:28:10. > :28:14.write within the intention that it was never going to be used. I often
:28:15. > :28:17.wondered where the two-year period came from because, as anyone who's
:28:18. > :28:22.been through a divorce knows it can take a heck of a lot longer. It puts
:28:23. > :28:26.the pressure on to try to get everything sorted as quickly as
:28:27. > :28:30.possible. That has to be in ours and the EU's best interests. The
:28:31. > :28:33.timetable is even tougher than two years, John, because Mr Barnier,
:28:34. > :28:38.heading up the negotiations, he wants to deal to be agreed by
:28:39. > :28:44.October 2018 because he wants to allow time, another six months, for
:28:45. > :28:49.the 27 governments to ratify. Now let me point out, the real
:28:50. > :28:52.negotiations will start after the German elections are out of the way
:28:53. > :28:58.in the last Sunday of September. All of that cannot be done in a year? I
:28:59. > :29:02.completely agree and we know as well that they can't even agree how they
:29:03. > :29:07.are going to negotiate because Mrs Merkel has said now is not the time
:29:08. > :29:11.to the Prime Minister when she said we want to do simultaneous
:29:12. > :29:15.negotiations, we want the divorce and the new settlement. What she
:29:16. > :29:19.said is, you've got to have the divorce first before we start to
:29:20. > :29:22.talk about the terms. How can they possibly do that in the amount of
:29:23. > :29:26.time that they are setting aside? And you couldn't possibly have a
:29:27. > :29:30.second referendum as a result because that's your timetable up to
:29:31. > :29:34.October 2018? Well, you know what the Prime Minister's said. I know
:29:35. > :29:38.what Nicola Sturgeon's said. And what Nicola Sturgeon's said as well.
:29:39. > :29:42.At some level we have got to take the Prime Minister at her word,
:29:43. > :29:46.haven't we? She's said, and David Davis has said, that they are aiming
:29:47. > :29:51.for this timetable. I certainly think that we'll have a sense of
:29:52. > :29:55.what the deal is likely to be in 18 months. You couldn't have a second
:29:56. > :30:00.referendum on the basis of a sense? Well... Definitely not. Well, at the
:30:01. > :30:04.moment, we are having to argue to have the second referendum, so we've
:30:05. > :30:08.not quite got to that stage yet. But I think we will have a sense because
:30:09. > :30:16.so far the Prime Minister's refused to say what the British hand is.
:30:17. > :30:23.The 27 members will leak like a sieve. We will know what the British
:30:24. > :30:30.position is - You would rather have a referendum on the business of
:30:31. > :30:34.leaks? That is nonsense. Don't you remember Dennis Healy, when you are
:30:35. > :30:40.in a hole stop digging. We don't know what the date of a referendum
:30:41. > :30:45.will be. What I would say is, when the 27 member states have their
:30:46. > :30:50.ratification process, that has to be the time, surely, that the Scots are
:30:51. > :30:55.also allowed to have a Kay. How can the 27 have a say and Scotland not?
:30:56. > :31:00.Because you are part of the United Kingdom. We know that. But it goes
:31:01. > :31:07.against all sense of natural justice. When you look, particularly
:31:08. > :31:12.when you see in the context - we have French elections first of all.
:31:13. > :31:15.The council of ministers meeting at the end of April, Francois Hollande
:31:16. > :31:24.is going there. He is irrelevant to it. It could take a while to form a
:31:25. > :31:29.new French government this summer. They don't have a big presence in
:31:30. > :31:33.the French Assembly. Then the summer and then the German elections. Isn't
:31:34. > :31:37.a transitional period almost inevitable? That may be. Although I
:31:38. > :31:42.don't think the sort of political decision that has to be made is all
:31:43. > :31:48.that complicated. As I said earlier, it's either, kind of, acronymous or
:31:49. > :31:53.it's fairly harmonious. That is - those are the dials set by the
:31:54. > :31:56.politicians. I have agree that, you know, the negotiations between
:31:57. > :32:00.officials could be very complex and they could go off into a
:32:01. > :32:03.transitional period. But the political decision can be taken once
:32:04. > :32:08.the German elections are over. I don't think they will be taken then.
:32:09. > :32:13.I think they will be taken at the 59th minute of the 11th hour. In
:32:14. > :32:47.March 2019? That is EU tradition. Everything is left to the last
:32:48. > :32:48.possible moment. It's those two politicians who matter. It's quite
:32:49. > :32:48.hard, even if it's goodwill on all sides to get the divorce done, to
:32:49. > :32:49.get our new relationship with the EU done, a year, 18 months. I don't
:32:50. > :32:50.think it will be possible. Part of me gets a sense that the public just
:32:51. > :32:53.want a bit more honesty and realism in this debate about how long it
:32:54. > :32:53.will take and the trade offs and difficult decision that is will
:32:54. > :33:02.inevitably be required. I think the French election would obviously have
:33:03. > :33:06.a big difference whether Mac o ron or Le Pen works. That is a threat to
:33:07. > :33:13.the EU and Brexit is a side show. Exactly. I don't know if too much of
:33:14. > :33:18.a difference in Germany, Merkel is more pragmatic. He is more
:33:19. > :33:22.anti-British. More concerned about sorting out the internal problems of
:33:23. > :33:27.the Eurozone. Let me ask you this. Should we be prepared to play a
:33:28. > :33:31.multi-billion pound divorce fee? I don't think so. No. If you look at
:33:32. > :33:38.the amount of money we put in since we joined the European Union, over
:33:39. > :33:41.500 billion. We have 9 billion in the European Investment Bank. That
:33:42. > :33:47.is the gross figure? Absolutely. The money that we have invested in the
:33:48. > :33:51.European Union has enabled it to build a massive great big buildings,
:33:52. > :33:55.huge property portfolio, infrastructure. I don't think we
:33:56. > :34:00.should pay a big bill. Do you John? We signed up for a set of rules. We
:34:01. > :34:02.don't know what the figure is. I watched your interview with the
:34:03. > :34:06.Prime Minister. She didn't give you many straight answers. She certainly
:34:07. > :34:10.didn't answer that one except to the extent that she said, this is a law
:34:11. > :34:15.abiding country and we have to stick by the rules that we signed up - She
:34:16. > :34:19.didn't deny it could be a multi-billion settlement. She didn't
:34:20. > :34:23.confirm. The figure you put on it, she wasn't prepared to confirm. A
:34:24. > :34:27.lot of this is, you know, pensions that we've guaranteed. You know,
:34:28. > :34:32.it's a complicated - It's not just that. We have committed, as part of
:34:33. > :34:36.the other countries, to long-term budgets and investment in other
:34:37. > :34:40.countries. Why would we be committed to anything beyond the current
:34:41. > :34:45.budget to 2020. There will be an argument we need - That is the
:34:46. > :34:49.difference dfrn After 2020. Sglm That is the difference between the
:34:50. > :34:53.figures. We don't know what they are. We should pay with a we owe. I
:34:54. > :34:56.have always believed - Do you remember anybody being told about
:34:57. > :35:02.this during the referendum campaign? I don't. I don't remember remain or
:35:03. > :35:05.leave bringing this up. I don't remember the remain people saying or
:35:06. > :35:10.the leave people confronting the idea of a bill to leave. No. I don't
:35:11. > :35:53.remember the remain people trying to frighten the electorate with the
:35:54. > :35:54.prospect of a bill. Is it not very difficult for the British Government
:35:55. > :35:55.to agree to a substantial one-off payment? I think it is politically
:35:56. > :35:55.rather difficult. That doesn't mean that it won't happen. I was rather
:35:56. > :35:56.surprised that the Prime Minister didn't say to you yesterday that she
:35:57. > :35:56.(inaudible) So am I. That would have kept her options open. The case
:35:57. > :35:57.might subsequently be made. It's a pretty good sign that the European
:35:58. > :35:57.Union is worried about what it is going to do with British money.
:35:58. > :35:58.That's an important point. Money has become more important than the
:35:59. > :35:59.coverage in this country suggestion for the European Union. We are one
:36:00. > :36:02.of the few net donors. We are the biggest, after Germany, and so many
:36:03. > :36:07.of either - France only contributes half what we do because it gets it
:36:08. > :36:11.back through the Common Agriculture Policy. There is a huge hole in
:36:12. > :36:16.their budget. If you owe me money, I'm in the driving seat. Well, thats
:36:17. > :36:20.with a very clear message from this visit to Berlin last week. They are
:36:21. > :36:24.very focused on the divorce agreement. One was that, secondly,
:36:25. > :36:29.that they need to sort out problems that they have within the EU. The
:36:30. > :36:32.third thing, which we never talk about, Brexit isn't top of their
:36:33. > :36:39.list of priorities. This is not what they want to talk about. The world
:36:40. > :36:43.does not resolve around us. What is top? The Eurozone, security and
:36:44. > :36:46.migration. What do they want to do with the Eurozone? That is why we
:36:47. > :36:51.are leaving because they are top priorities. It has been a spur to
:36:52. > :36:54.the rest - What do they want to do - now we are no longer there to be a
:36:55. > :36:58.break on everything. What do they want to do with it? There is a
:36:59. > :37:04.clearly aldesire to sort out the problems as best they can in Italy
:37:05. > :37:08.and Greece. What do they want to do? They don't have - One way to sort
:37:09. > :37:12.out one of the ways essential to sorting out the euro is to agree
:37:13. > :37:15.transfer payments from the north to the south. There is no agreement on
:37:16. > :37:20.that in the European Union at all. A lot of them are in denial about
:37:21. > :37:30.Brexit. I was in Berlin last week. In denial? A lot of them say, senior
:37:31. > :37:35.politicians say - is it really going to happen? This informs the way they
:37:36. > :37:39.will conduct themselves in the Brexit negotiations. If they think
:37:40. > :37:43.that Britain will get such a terrible deal that the British
:37:44. > :37:47.people will rebel against it, the Prime Minister - I didn't get a
:37:48. > :37:50.sense of that. I got no sense whatsoever. They know it will
:37:51. > :37:54.happen. Their priorities on the divorce. The idea that they were
:37:55. > :37:59.thinking about a future trade deal. It wasn't - All of them are very -
:38:00. > :38:06.We misunderstand where they are coming from. I need to bring Suzanne
:38:07. > :38:11.in. What I found when I was there. The British public could get angry.
:38:12. > :38:30.That is what my Brexit Tory colleagues argued saying it could
:38:31. > :38:37.backfire. I get the impression Ukip would like us to have... I don't
:38:38. > :38:38.think that is true. That is not what I feel. It's better to a deal. What
:38:39. > :38:38.we have said is, if we don't get a deal which involves taking back
:38:39. > :38:39.control of our borders and control of our fishing, then we don't get
:38:40. > :38:44.the deal that the British people voted for. (Inaudible) Isn't that
:38:45. > :38:50.what Mrs May is going to do? It is. Was there anything she said
:38:51. > :38:56.yesterday you disagreed with? I saw David Davis I said we voted how we
:38:57. > :39:00.voted. It's up to you to deliver. We will watch what they will do. It's a
:39:01. > :39:05.challenge. It's almost daunting? It is daunting. I don't know whether
:39:06. > :39:11.the Government has the capacity to deal with this. To get through all
:39:12. > :39:15.the decision that is have to be made. At the same time as it's meant
:39:16. > :39:20.to be govern governing the countries in all other sorts of ways. That is
:39:21. > :39:26.a worry. Those of us who favour Brexit do not argue it will be a bed
:39:27. > :39:29.of roses. It's not. John, has Nicola Sturgeon misread the Scottish mood
:39:30. > :39:34.with this second referendum? There is little appetite for a second
:39:35. > :39:42.referendum before Brexit. This poll came up by John Curtice, based at
:39:43. > :39:50.Strathclyde University, 62% of Scots want the same Brexit deal as the
:39:51. > :39:56.rest of the UK. 64% want the same immigration rules for EU and non-EU
:39:57. > :40:06.members. I have my doubts about that. You are not allowed to doubt,
:40:07. > :40:11.John. We have had experienc of polls. This is pretty dramatic. I
:40:12. > :40:17.don't buy that. We have moved into a new stage, it's no longer the SNP
:40:18. > :40:25.asking for a second independence referendum, it's the Scottish
:40:26. > :40:30.Parliament. It's a poll - If Mrs... It's a parliamentary democracy.
:40:31. > :40:35.There is no evidence. This is not a parliamentary democracy. We've run
:40:36. > :40:38.out of time. I have to shut you all up. I thank you both for being with
:40:39. > :40:46.us tonight. Tonight. Now, confidence was
:40:47. > :40:48.palpable almost Tonight. Pint-drinking patriot, Nigel Farage,
:40:49. > :40:51.is so sure Brexit will be a success he's pledged to migrate if it
:40:52. > :40:54.all goes pear-shaped. Now you know why some
:40:55. > :40:56.are willing it to fail! Journalist turned playwright,
:40:57. > :40:58.Paul Mason, is so sure about the brilliance of his new play
:40:59. > :41:01.that he's banned critics from reviewing it before
:41:02. > :41:05.the end of the run. Why would you review it after the
:41:06. > :41:09.run. And renowned German history scholar,
:41:10. > :41:11.Ken Livingstone, is so sure Hitler was a Zionist he's
:41:12. > :41:13.putting his membership If Labour does kick him out,
:41:14. > :41:35.I'm told he'll use the extra time on his hands to write a new version
:41:36. > :41:36.of the Hitler Diaries. There's confidence for you,
:41:37. > :41:37.which is why we're putting REPORTER: Are you taking back
:41:38. > :41:42.control, Prime Minister? Prime Minister, are you ready
:41:43. > :41:45.for the fight ahead. It's good to be confident
:41:46. > :41:47.in politics, especially Because I am confident
:41:48. > :41:51.that we have the vision and the plan to use this moment to build a better
:41:52. > :41:53.Britain. But Mrs May's Scottish
:41:54. > :41:55.colleague, Ruth Davidson, was on fighting form on Tuesday,
:41:56. > :41:57.barking orders at Nicola Sturgeon. I think I've answered
:41:58. > :42:01.the First Minister's question, I will not
:42:02. > :42:03.take another intervention. The Daily Mail was criticised
:42:04. > :42:08.for one of its front-pages this week, but columnist Sarah Vine
:42:09. > :42:12.was confident her story had legs. What we're doing is actually
:42:13. > :42:14.creating a slightly more approachable version of this story
:42:15. > :42:17.by commenting on this picture, which I still think
:42:18. > :42:21.is worth commenting on. Across the pond, the Donald remains
:42:22. > :42:26.confident about Trumpcare, despite Congress giving his flagship
:42:27. > :42:32.policy the thumbs down. Perhaps the best thing that
:42:33. > :42:35.could happen is exactly what happened today because we'll
:42:36. > :42:37.end up with a truly great Health Care Bill in the future
:42:38. > :42:39.after this mess, known The Donald's favourite actress,
:42:40. > :42:54.Emma Thompson, revealed this week that she's never had the body
:42:55. > :42:59.confidence to live in LA. I mean, every time I have to go
:43:00. > :43:03.to Los Angeles I think - oh, God, I'm too fat to go there,
:43:04. > :43:06.they're not going to let me in! # You can tell the way
:43:07. > :43:10.she walks in the room #. Model Daisy Lowe says
:43:11. > :43:13.she has to work on her So how important is confidence
:43:14. > :43:29.if you want to get on in life? Welcome to the programme. Is it
:43:30. > :43:33.really... The team have told me we are preparing for tonight that you
:43:34. > :43:40.struggle with confidence at times? Yeah, of course. Why? Well, I
:43:41. > :43:45.think... I don't no-one who doesn't struggle with confidence most days.
:43:46. > :43:53.I've been judged on my looks since I was 15. I started modelling at 15.
:43:54. > :43:58.And, I think, you know, I've never been a size zero I always wanted to
:43:59. > :44:03.stick up for the feminine form and really champion being true to
:44:04. > :44:11.yourself. And feeling empowered in that. You need some confidence to do
:44:12. > :44:15.that. You are must have confidence? In an industry where it's stick
:44:16. > :44:47.insects going up-and-down, that shows great confidence to me? You
:44:48. > :44:48.are constantly compared to that. With social media you are constantly
:44:49. > :44:49.faced with image comparisons and looking at that part of yourself.
:44:50. > :44:49.It's something you have to work on. Do you think there are lots of
:44:50. > :44:51.people who seem outwardly confident, but they are not. Of course. Inside
:44:52. > :44:52.they are a bag of nerves? Yeah, of course. I think usually the most
:44:53. > :44:52.confident people, seemingly confident people, are in fact, well,
:44:53. > :44:59.narcissists are the most insecure ones of the lot. Indeed. They
:45:00. > :45:03.definitely. Is that who you were talking about there? I should keep
:45:04. > :45:09.that inside. I think it was just a joke. I would be really surprised,
:45:10. > :45:13.someone like Emma Thompson, educated, intelligent, wonderful
:45:14. > :45:19.actress, saying that she couldn't go to LA because - why would she even
:45:20. > :45:23.care? But it's because she's so much more than just her appearance.
:45:24. > :45:27.Exactly. Her appearance is great, so is everything else. She is an
:45:28. > :45:34.incredible actress, writer, producer. It comes back to the way
:45:35. > :45:38.she looks. Women are judged more for their appearance than men are. That
:45:39. > :45:43.is true as we saw from the Daily Mail as well. Low confidence, does
:45:44. > :45:49.it stop you from doing things? In your case it's pushed you on?
:45:50. > :45:54.Totally. I have to use it as fuel, for sure. Taking part in Strictly I
:45:55. > :45:59.would never have been able to do that - It's confidence. Was a
:46:00. > :46:06.complete lack of confidence. Foolhardy. It gave me something and
:46:07. > :46:10.I learnt so much about myself. I learnt I loved performing and just
:46:11. > :46:15.loved building that confidence. It was very special.
:46:16. > :46:24.Are you confident, Liz? Pretty confidence. I would agree. So you
:46:25. > :46:31.should be. Not over-confident. I think I was very lucky in how I was
:46:32. > :46:35.brought up, that they, my mum and dad, always said, kind of go for it
:46:36. > :46:40.and if it goes wrong, we still love you and it doesn't matter. Now that
:46:41. > :46:44.gave me confidence. Obviously I had lots of other advantages, but that
:46:45. > :46:48.sense, if you try and you don't succeed, pick yourself up, go again
:46:49. > :46:57.and we are here for you and that really matters. Are you confident,
:46:58. > :47:01.Michael? I think on the whole I am. I think can desert you any time.
:47:02. > :47:05.It's not predictable the circumstances that will make it
:47:06. > :47:09.disappear. I must say, if there were one gift I could give to someone, it
:47:10. > :47:12.would be confidence because it makes all the difference, that
:47:13. > :47:16.self-belief, that ability to go out and do it, just makes all the
:47:17. > :47:22.difference. It does, no matter who you are doing. Yes. Daisy, what are
:47:23. > :47:26.you doing? I'm taking myself out of my comfort zone at the moment and,
:47:27. > :47:31.for the first time, properly in my career actually I'm being more than
:47:32. > :47:34.a 2 D image and coming on and doing terrifying things like coming and
:47:35. > :47:36.chatting to all of you incredible people. We are glad you came on
:47:37. > :47:45.tonight. Me too. Great to see you. That's your lot for tonight folks,
:47:46. > :47:47.but not for us, we're heading to Frau Von LouLou's
:47:48. > :47:49.for Jean-Claude Juncker's "so long, farewell, auf
:47:50. > :47:51.wiedersehen" Brexit knees up. As long as he's not put off
:47:52. > :47:58.by a letter to him from a Polish MP claiming his "alcohol dependency"
:47:59. > :48:02.has become a problem Nighty Night, don't let
:48:03. > :49:20.Jean-Claude's feisty greetings bite. MasterChef is back, to find the
:49:21. > :49:25.country's best home chef.