:00:00. > :00:07.It's the last word in luxury, the steaming hot Commons,
:00:08. > :00:16.It's a beautiful palace for beautiful people.
:00:17. > :00:23.Tonight on the This Week, Love Island, the nation appears
:00:24. > :00:26.increasingly besotted with the leader of the Labour Party.
:00:27. > :00:30.And even moderate Labour MPs can't wait to turn the lights down low
:00:31. > :00:47.Momentum's Adam Klug is totally smitten.
:00:48. > :00:51.He's got the looks, the charisma and policies.
:00:52. > :00:56.After weeks of flirting and playing hard to get,
:00:57. > :01:00.the DUP have finally tied the knot with Theresa May.
:01:01. > :01:04.And Sky's Adam Boulton has his doubts.
:01:05. > :01:19.I should think they will end up drowning their sorrows.
:01:20. > :01:21.Oh, yes, trouble could be brewing in paradise.
:01:22. > :01:22.Comedian Viv Groskop thinks the public
:01:23. > :01:24.is falling out of love with everything.
:01:25. > :01:26.No-one loves This Week anymore, no-one ever loved
:01:27. > :01:41.With the Blue Nun on ice, prepare yourself for the
:01:42. > :01:45.We might be in for a long, hot summer - steaming political fun!
:01:46. > :01:48.And we begin tonight with highlights from the political
:01:49. > :02:12.career of Tim Farron, the outgoing leader of the Lib Dems.
:02:13. > :02:30.We bring you exclusive footage of the Theresa Maybot Mexican Wave.
:02:31. > :02:33.We can reveal that food franchise holders at Glastonbury are suing
:02:34. > :02:36.the festival organisers after Jeremy Corbyn fed
:02:37. > :02:40.the 150,000-strong audience using only two fishes and five loaves.
:02:41. > :02:43.They claim that such miracle working gives him an unfair competitive
:02:44. > :02:45.advantage and that next year he should stick
:02:46. > :02:53.And, after indefinitely delaying plans for a 2nd
:02:54. > :02:55.independence referendum, Scottish First Minister Nicola
:02:56. > :02:58.Sturgeon has embarked on a new singing career to fill
:02:59. > :03:03.Her first single, I'm Angry, is already number one
:03:04. > :03:04.in Auchtermuchty and contains the popular, repetitive
:03:05. > :03:15.Until we come to the catchy chorus ...
:03:16. > :03:32.Speaking of those with limited vocabulary, I am here with two stars
:03:33. > :03:38.who are never short of words. We hope that one day, they will get
:03:39. > :03:44.them in the right order, so that what they say makes sense. I speak
:03:45. > :03:49.of Liz Kendall and Michael Portillo. Michael, your moment of the week?
:03:50. > :03:54.The impending collapse of the Islamic State caliphate. Mosul in
:03:55. > :03:58.Iraq and Raqqa in Syria, look as if they are about to fall. Of course,
:03:59. > :04:02.we still phase a powerful Islamic State across the world We know about
:04:03. > :04:08.that from the attacks in our own cities. But still, three or four
:04:09. > :04:12.years ago, the idea of the caliphate seemed serious. It looked like it
:04:13. > :04:17.might grow, rather than shrink. The other thing that is notable about it
:04:18. > :04:23.is the number of local actors, if you want to put it that way,
:04:24. > :04:30.involved. The Iraqi Army has been effective after some time. The free
:04:31. > :04:35.fighters in Syria and the Kurds have played an important part in the
:04:36. > :04:40.fight on Raqqa. And so, I think this is a moment that is worth note.
:04:41. > :04:44.It is a major development in the Middle East. Liz, your moment? The
:04:45. > :04:48.Government's decision today to ensure women from Northern Ireland
:04:49. > :04:54.who have to come to England or Wales to have an abortion are going to get
:04:55. > :04:57.that treatment on the same basis as all other women in the UK free at
:04:58. > :05:05.the point of need. This was in response to the Stella
:05:06. > :05:11.Creasy, the Labour MP? That's right it is hugely important for the 700
:05:12. > :05:18.or so women who have to do that each year but it also shows the
:05:19. > :05:21.precariousness of the Tory position and the power to change things if
:05:22. > :05:24.you work across-party divides. And there is a hung Parliament.
:05:25. > :05:27.Now, for most of his political career Jeremy Corbyn has
:05:28. > :05:29.been the lone outsider, the backbencher on Labour's wilder
:05:30. > :05:32.fringes, the token left-wing, no-hope challenger for the Labour
:05:33. > :05:34.leadership, the politician who never, even in his own wildest
:05:35. > :05:39.Now he's flavour of the month far beyond his traditional left-wing
:05:40. > :05:41.base, with approval ratings that have overtaken Theresa May,
:05:42. > :05:44.leading a party that is currently favourite to win a snap election
:05:45. > :05:48.Prospective parents are even considering naming
:05:49. > :05:57.You could be forgiven for forgetting that Labour actually lost its third
:05:58. > :06:00.general election in a row, with fewer seats and a smaller vote
:06:01. > :06:08.But Jeremy Corbyn has momentum with a small m and a capital M.
:06:09. > :06:12.Can it carry him all the way to Downing Street?
:06:13. > :06:15.Here's Adam Klug from Momentum, with a big M, in a big ball,
:06:16. > :06:32.A little under two years ago, I helped to establish Momentum.
:06:33. > :06:34.We played a key role in the extraordinary election result
:06:35. > :06:42.Using innovative technology and viral social media content,
:06:43. > :06:44.we mobilised tens of thousands of people to knock on millions
:06:45. > :06:51.It's now time for parts of the media that have demonised Momentum
:06:52. > :06:54.to recognise that Jeremy Corbyn's vision for Labour, which we support,
:06:55. > :07:01.It's only Theresa May that needs to worry about Momentum.
:07:02. > :07:03.She is leading an unstable Tory government propped up
:07:04. > :07:05.by the anti-abortion, anti-gay rights, climate
:07:06. > :07:11.Another general election could come soon, and Momentum has already
:07:12. > :07:17.But if we are to win, Labour needs to stick with the bold,
:07:18. > :07:19.transformational vision for a society that works
:07:20. > :07:24.It's not about chasing the mythical medium voter,
:07:25. > :07:27.but setting out a sustainable, investment-led economy that people
:07:28. > :07:38.We must make sure the whole party unites around Jeremy's
:07:39. > :07:44.We've rightly seen many of his doubters in the Parliamentary party
:07:45. > :07:58.So we need to stay united and build on our transformational manifesto.
:07:59. > :08:00.With the Labour Party led by its members inspiring tens
:08:01. > :08:03.of thousands of people to get out on the doorstep, that
:08:04. > :08:20.Gone are the days of experts in suits calling
:08:21. > :08:33.Members should be empowered to lead the party.
:08:34. > :08:36.Those tens of thousands of members who took the time and energy
:08:37. > :08:41.to canvas across the country, they are the key.
:08:42. > :09:05.They are how we will transform Britain for the many, not the few.
:09:06. > :09:07.Thanks to Quadrenalin Quad bBking Centre in Milton Keynes.
:09:08. > :09:10.Adam Klug has swapped his inflatable bubble for our less fast-moving
:09:11. > :09:17.Liz, if there was a snap election between now and late autumn, would
:09:18. > :09:22.Jeremy Corbyn be the next Prime Minister? I think he could well be.
:09:23. > :09:26.Things have changed a huge amount over the last three or four months.
:09:27. > :09:31.But, we still have to win 65 more seats to form a majority. That's
:09:32. > :09:35.just a majority of one. We have to double the swing at the next
:09:36. > :09:38.election than we got at the last. I think that the challenge for us is
:09:39. > :09:43.to deepen the support of the people who came to us a couple of weeks ago
:09:44. > :09:52.and broaden that out too. That is going to be tough. I think we have
:09:53. > :09:55.done extremely well amongst university-educated people, women,
:09:56. > :10:00.those under 44. We still have a problem with older voters and many
:10:01. > :10:04.people in our so-called traditional working-class areas. And I think
:10:05. > :10:09.that the great unknowable, is can we both hold on and deepen the support
:10:10. > :10:14.of those who have come to us, whilst reassuring those who have had
:10:15. > :10:17.concerns, without losing some of the enthusiasm that we have seen at the
:10:18. > :10:22.general election. That's the great unknowable.
:10:23. > :10:28.How will he do that? Aagree with Liz, there is a way to go. But it is
:10:29. > :10:32.a tremendous achievement from polling at 24% to over 40% of the
:10:33. > :10:38.popular vote. But how does he get the next 40
:10:39. > :10:43.seats to get a majority of one? We have seen a bold manifesto in the
:10:44. > :10:46.country that proved popular. But we have to mobilise the party that much
:10:47. > :10:51.more. Do you need to change to widen the
:10:52. > :10:55.appeal further? It is clear that the manifesto is popular.
:10:56. > :10:59.But you lost? So what do you have to change to win? I think it is about
:11:00. > :11:03.communicating the vision of the manifesto.
:11:04. > :11:08.It is a communications issue, rather than substance? We saw in the
:11:09. > :11:13.election when Jeremy Corbyn got a fairer hearing and the policy
:11:14. > :11:18.platform was articulated effectively and we mobilised tens of thousands
:11:19. > :11:23.of activists to knock on millions of doors, that lots of people could see
:11:24. > :11:32.there could be a better society for them. What explains the phenomena of
:11:33. > :11:37.Jeremy Corbyn? An extraordinarily bad manifesto, a Prime Minister who
:11:38. > :11:41.did not debate while Jeremy Corbyn appeared as a general individual who
:11:42. > :11:46.got more of a hearing than before. It must have been more than just the
:11:47. > :11:50.Tory campaign and manifesto being useless? There were other parties to
:11:51. > :11:57.vote for. 85% of people voted Tory or Labour. They did go to Labour?
:11:58. > :12:01.But what I said remains plause Iible. Not only were the Labour
:12:02. > :12:04.Party polling at 40%. It was also that Labour were crushed in the
:12:05. > :12:09.local elections, which were about a month before the general election.
:12:10. > :12:14.So there was an absolutely seismic change in public opinion and public
:12:15. > :12:20.voting and the best explanation of that is the Conservative manifesto.
:12:21. > :12:24.You say, Liz, that Mr Corbyn must broaden the appeal to get the other
:12:25. > :12:29.60 seats but he has not reached to your part of the party, to the
:12:30. > :12:36.Labour centre or centre-right. He said come on board on my terms. I
:12:37. > :12:40.would not have expected him to. But the many, many conversations I had
:12:41. > :12:46.with people who voted Labour for a long time but were worried about
:12:47. > :12:49.supporting us, they wanted reassurance on defence, security aye
:12:50. > :12:54.roach to terrorism. They wanted to know we really could afford to pay
:12:55. > :12:59.for the things we were talking about.
:13:00. > :13:04.Were they reassured? I think many stuck with us, partly not just
:13:05. > :13:10.because the manifesto was bad, but a, the Tory manifesto was bad but
:13:11. > :13:13.also, we have tapped into the sense that even Philip Hammond admitted
:13:14. > :13:17.that people have seen after ten years, they have seen cuts to public
:13:18. > :13:22.services but we still have a huge deficit to play.
:13:23. > :13:31.Let's not replay that. What I am trying to work out... And can you
:13:32. > :13:35.reassure on defence and public spending and borrowing? Well I was
:13:36. > :13:39.glad that Jeremy Corbyn said after the minister attacks, that the
:13:40. > :13:42.police should use all powers to deal with them.
:13:43. > :13:49.Controversial. Who else would not say that? We had a commitment to
:13:50. > :13:55.multilateral, not unilateral. The question is, how does he broaden
:13:56. > :13:59.out? I think we have to give reassurance on security and we can
:14:00. > :14:03.afford to pay for the things... I will give out. I will bring Adam
:14:04. > :14:06.back in. He is our guest. OK.
:14:07. > :14:10.I understand why you are enthusiastic and why you see the
:14:11. > :14:15.opportunities. They have said that he could be the next Prime Minister.
:14:16. > :14:20.There is also on the other side, the danger this could be as good as it
:14:21. > :14:24.gets. We live in a world where the political cycle moves quickly. One
:14:25. > :14:30.day you are the cock of the walk, the next day, you are a feather
:14:31. > :14:35.duster, just ask Theresa May, or Nicola Sturgeon. Maybe you need a
:14:36. > :14:39.snap election or this moment passes you by.
:14:40. > :14:45.I think there will be an election soon. With the coalition of chaos
:14:46. > :14:49.and the DUP propping them up, with the public sector pay cap, the
:14:50. > :14:54.Tories are in disarray. I think this is the beginning with Labour. For
:14:55. > :15:00.example, Momentum, our social media content went viral, one in three
:15:01. > :15:05.Facebook users saw our videos. We knocked on millions of doors but
:15:06. > :15:09.that was just the beginning. Bernie Saunders is coming over to help us.
:15:10. > :15:17.We are building. You are building? We are building.
:15:18. > :15:22.Does someone like Liz Kendall have a future in the Labour Party? Of
:15:23. > :15:24.course. The Labour Party has been a Broadchurch.
:15:25. > :15:29.Does she have to come on board to the Corbyn project? When the party
:15:30. > :15:34.united, there was a support for the manifesto. It worked. When there was
:15:35. > :15:39.no infighting we moved forward and we have to carry on building on that
:15:40. > :15:42.and get more Labour MPs into government when the next election
:15:43. > :15:48.happens. Sounds like a death sentence.
:15:49. > :15:54.You did not let me say this last time, but in my constituency, of
:15:55. > :15:59.course there are always people for whom there are difficulties, but the
:16:00. > :16:03.vast majority of members pulled together. We have different views
:16:04. > :16:08.and approaches but we are a democratic party. We want the same
:16:09. > :16:13.goal. We have different ways of getting there but when we work
:16:14. > :16:18.together we have a great result. At your way is going nowhere. Even if
:16:19. > :16:21.Mr Corbyn was to fall under the proverbial bus, his wing of the
:16:22. > :16:25.party will remain in control for the foreseeable future. You and your
:16:26. > :16:35.side are being written out of the script. He is not going anywhere. It
:16:36. > :16:40.is not about the size of the party. We are seeing a new elliptical
:16:41. > :16:44.culture, a new wave of politics, people getting involved from a
:16:45. > :16:49.diverse range of backgrounds and changing the Westminster bubble. But
:16:50. > :16:55.how do you maintain the momentum if, and I understand there could be an
:16:56. > :17:00.election at any time, but if Mrs May macro managers to stumble on for the
:17:01. > :17:07.next 18 months, which is also possible, how do you maintain the
:17:08. > :17:12.momentum? It is hard to imagine that will be the case. We will constantly
:17:13. > :17:16.be going to marginal constituencies. There are now new marginals, which
:17:17. > :17:20.previously the Tories had big leads in, so we will stay in that zone but
:17:21. > :17:25.we will also be communicating ideas effectively and trying to bring new
:17:26. > :17:31.people into politics. Do you fight the next election on the same
:17:32. > :17:34.manifesto, or more radical? This manifesto has proved very popular
:17:35. > :17:40.and sets out a vision. So do you keep it for the next election? At
:17:41. > :17:46.the moment, that is very popular, yes. That is where we are going. The
:17:47. > :17:52.Tories do need to stumble on, or else he will be proved right. A snap
:17:53. > :17:57.election at the moment would be very bad for the Tories, partly because
:17:58. > :17:59.of the deal with the DUP, partly because of the terrible fire in the
:18:00. > :18:04.tower block which has gone badly for the government. Partly because of
:18:05. > :18:07.the momentum that is there at the moment, partly because of
:18:08. > :18:12.Glastonbury. For those reasons, this would be a terrible moment. But we
:18:13. > :18:16.have seen that minority governments can stumble on for quite a long
:18:17. > :18:21.time. A Labour government in the past stumbled on for five years with
:18:22. > :18:23.no majority, so let's see how we go. Thank you for being with us.
:18:24. > :18:26.Now, it's late, UFO spotting with Michael with us.
:18:27. > :18:29.That's right, our Porty's been accused of not taking the 1996
:18:30. > :18:31.extra-terrestrial invasion of Skegness seriously enough
:18:32. > :18:38.If he'd bothered to go to Skegness he'd have been in no
:18:39. > :18:42.It's proved to be the biggest alien scandal since Jon Snow's mind
:18:43. > :18:48.was zapped by anti-Tory Klingons at Glastonbury in 1989.
:18:49. > :18:50.But if, like us, you're tired of the bad news bandwagon,
:18:51. > :18:53.fear not because waiting in the wings is comedian
:18:54. > :18:56.and stand-up marathonian, Viv Groskop, here to put news
:18:57. > :19:08.Snap-nap out of your Twitter trance and join us in the Insta-groove.
:19:09. > :19:10.Now, the Westminster rumour mill is in full swing,
:19:11. > :19:13.with murmurs that the government is verging on a U-turn,
:19:14. > :19:21.on its U-turn, on its U-turn over the public sector pay cap.
:19:22. > :19:26.Yesterday, it managed two U-turns on the matter in one day,
:19:27. > :19:30.We don't mind because this is one U-turn This Week
:19:31. > :19:34.After all, if Her Madge can get an 8% pay rise,
:19:35. > :19:37.surely we can get a few spondoolicks from the magic money tree as well.
:19:38. > :19:40.Just enough to buy a ticket for Michael's gold-plated private
:19:41. > :19:43.train to the Cote D'Azur, and to set up a brand
:19:44. > :19:46.new studio in Liz's boutique mansion in St Tropez,
:19:47. > :19:49.where a freshly pedicured Molly the dog will be waiting
:19:50. > :19:54.Other designer dog baskets are available.
:19:55. > :20:15.Here's Adam Boulton with his round up of the political week.
:20:16. > :20:24.Mind you, I suppose viewers of this Week probably can't read.
:20:25. > :20:28.Well, you'd better come in, because we are celebrating 20
:20:29. > :20:38.But don't get any ideas about settled status, mind.
:20:39. > :20:42.Took me 20 years to get rid of that Harry Potter,
:20:43. > :20:50.But then he met a nice girl and settled down in Kettering.
:20:51. > :20:53.But before you can say harmonious, there's always another boy
:20:54. > :21:07.Hasn't mastered his charms but he's looking for a quick win.
:21:08. > :21:09.Mind you, he's a bit in awe of his rival, the grand
:21:10. > :21:13.wizard from the Brussels Academy, Michel Barnier.
:21:14. > :21:35.Mind you, none of it's helped by the spreadsheet
:21:36. > :21:36.Phil slithering about, comparing hard Brexit
:21:37. > :21:45.And then soft Brexit to a lovely dream where everybody gets cake.
:21:46. > :21:48.We will reach an arrangement that puts jobs and prosperity first,
:21:49. > :21:52.that keeps our markets for goods and service and capital open,
:21:53. > :22:03.that achieves early agreement on transitional arrangements
:22:04. > :22:05.and delivers an outcome that increases the size
:22:06. > :22:10.The Government is keen to sort out the early sticking points so it can
:22:11. > :22:14.So this week the Prime Minister came up with her concessions
:22:15. > :22:19.I want to completely reassure people that under these plans no EU citizen
:22:20. > :22:22.currently in the UK lawfully will be asked to leave at the point
:22:23. > :22:45.Better get this money tree planted quick.
:22:46. > :22:47.The Conservative Party has recognised the case for higher
:22:48. > :22:50.funding in Northern Ireland, given our unique history and
:22:51. > :23:00.Well, the Prime Minister says it's a good deal,
:23:01. > :23:02.and at least she's got a sort of majority.
:23:03. > :23:24.As a result of this election there was no party that had
:23:25. > :23:36.The party that had the largest number of seats and the only party
:23:37. > :23:38.that can form an effective government is the
:23:39. > :23:42.That's the right thing to do, and that's what we've done.
:23:43. > :23:48.They said it was robbing McGregor to pay O'Toole.
:23:49. > :23:50.We don't grudge Northern Ireland a penny.
:23:51. > :23:52.We just want fairness for every other part of the UK,
:23:53. > :24:01.Meanwhile, Jeremy Corbyn's on a high, having addressed pie eyed
:24:02. > :24:05.Apparently he told Farmer Eavis he will be
:24:06. > :24:12.Blimey, then we'll need a money tree forest.
:24:13. > :24:20.That new blend fertiliser had better work.
:24:21. > :24:23.In every child, there is a poem, in every child there is a painting,
:24:24. > :24:29.And you know what, as people get older, they get a bit
:24:30. > :24:33.Can't be thinking that sort of thing, can't be writing poetry.
:24:34. > :24:37.I want all our children to be inspired, all our children
:24:38. > :24:41.to have the right to learn music, to write poetry and to paint
:24:42. > :24:54.But Labour is tapping into a national mood against austerity.
:24:55. > :24:56.And at Question Time, Jeremy Corbyn linked council cuts
:24:57. > :25:03.Provoking cries of "Shame" from the Tory benches.
:25:04. > :25:06.This disregard for working-class communities, the terrible
:25:07. > :25:12.consequences of deregulation and cutting corners.
:25:13. > :25:18.This disaster must be a wake-up call.
:25:19. > :25:20.Mrs May responded, striking a conciliatory tone.
:25:21. > :25:26.The cladding of tower blocks did not start under this government.
:25:27. > :25:32.It did not start under the previous coalition government.
:25:33. > :25:37.The cladding of tower blocks began under the Blair government.
:25:38. > :25:42.We should come together and ensure that...
:25:43. > :25:51.According to the new British Social Attitudes Survey,
:25:52. > :25:53.nearly half of people say they would pay higher taxes
:25:54. > :26:04.So, in the Queen's Speech, Jeremy Corbyn tabled a motion
:26:05. > :26:06.reversing cuts in public spending and lifting the cap
:26:07. > :26:14.Politics has changed and there has been a big rejection
:26:15. > :26:24.It's time for the government to recognise, end the pay gap,
:26:25. > :26:27.invest in public services and in the future of our country.
:26:28. > :26:29.Those public sector workers shouldn't spend the money
:26:30. > :26:33.We will not make our decision on public sector pay until the Pay
:26:34. > :26:38.We will listen to what they say and we will listen to what people
:26:39. > :26:41.in this house have said before making a final decision.
:26:42. > :26:54.And you need to go back in the hothouse.
:26:55. > :27:00.Probably public sector pay, DUP bribe, Brexit divorce bill.
:27:01. > :27:05.Even the Queen wants 6 million for Buckingham Palace.
:27:06. > :27:13.Better go and see how that money tree's doing.
:27:14. > :27:15.Oh, no, must have overdone that fertiliser.
:27:16. > :27:33.Thanks to Rosendale Allotments in South London, Adam will be
:27:34. > :27:55.Michael, is the public sector pay cap doomed now? It might be. Any pay
:27:56. > :28:00.policy tends to fail after a number of years and this has been applied
:28:01. > :28:04.for about five years which is probably longer than any papal see I
:28:05. > :28:10.can remember being applied in the past. I think the public sector
:28:11. > :28:14.thinks it has been more hard done by then it has been, because in the
:28:15. > :28:18.private sector there has also been squeezing of wages. Those living
:28:19. > :28:21.standards are under strain as well. Many people are in self-employment
:28:22. > :28:26.and on zero-hours contracts and so on. There has been a greater
:28:27. > :28:29.stability of jobs in the public sector. But clearly the public
:28:30. > :28:35.sector does believe it is close to the end of the road and the
:28:36. > :28:41.government has said it is not deaf. Have the Tories given up on fiscal
:28:42. > :28:46.consolidation and debt reduction? It has certainly half given up. We were
:28:47. > :28:51.going to reduce the deficit to zero around now and it was postponed to
:28:52. > :28:56.2020. And now it could easily be further back than 2025. That is
:28:57. > :29:00.worth mentioning because in this talk of austerity, not many people
:29:01. > :29:05.take account of the fact that every year we live beyond our means, spend
:29:06. > :29:09.more than we raising taxes. We have the highest deficit in the European
:29:10. > :29:14.Union. The economy has now been growing for seven or eight years,
:29:15. > :29:20.and still we are living beyond our means. And still people are fed up
:29:21. > :29:25.with what they call austerity. Are all the parties behaving as if there
:29:26. > :29:29.is a magic money tree? My view is that on the pay cap it is not only
:29:30. > :29:36.right to change it in principle, but it is proving a false economy. Look
:29:37. > :29:39.at the NHS. Last year, spent almost ?4 billion on agency staff, with
:29:40. > :29:43.huge turnover and problems in recruitment and retention. There is
:29:44. > :29:47.a case to be made that it is right for people working in the public
:29:48. > :29:52.sector, but it will also actually help us deal with these things like
:29:53. > :29:56.agency costs. One of the things we have not spoken about which was a
:29:57. > :30:02.big thing this week was the Bank of England warning about the huge
:30:03. > :30:05.personal debt in credit. Four fifth of the growth since the crash has
:30:06. > :30:11.come from consumer spending and consumer credit. We have not seen
:30:12. > :30:16.the rebalancing of the economy, no improvement in productivity. That
:30:17. > :30:19.change in the approach is right. My question is are all the parties
:30:20. > :30:24.behaving as if there is a magic money tree? I don't think so. You
:30:25. > :30:31.need a plan to bring down the deficit in a sustainable way, by
:30:32. > :30:35.investing in the things like long-term skills. So the deficit
:30:36. > :30:41.comes down in the long-term, not the foreseeable future.
:30:42. > :30:48.That's right. The way that we get productivity is
:30:49. > :30:52.by investment and infrastructure and skills. We are building up all of
:30:53. > :30:55.the same problems that we saw before the crash.
:30:56. > :31:00.Isn't the problem, Michael, is that if we go into the next recession,
:31:01. > :31:07.and there will be a downturn at some stage, we don't know when but if we
:31:08. > :31:12.go into another downturn with our deficit the size it is, so interest
:31:13. > :31:16.rates at record lows, our national debt over two trillion and QE out
:31:17. > :31:21.there, we have no tools with which to fight that. It will be the mother
:31:22. > :31:26.of all recessions in this circumstance? That is right. We will
:31:27. > :31:30.be beginning that weighs with the national debt approaching 100% of
:31:31. > :31:35.our annual national income. We have to pay interest on that.
:31:36. > :31:39.When we get into a recession, the debt will grow faster. The people
:31:40. > :31:43.who have to pay the interest are ordinary taxpayers and the people
:31:44. > :31:49.who hold the debt are richer people. So this policy which is described as
:31:50. > :31:54.progressive, which is to borrow more and pass the debt to future
:31:55. > :31:58.generations is regressive, as the people that benefit are the people
:31:59. > :32:04.rich enough to hold the debt and the people that pay for it are the
:32:05. > :32:13.people poor enough to pay taxes. Who are the bigger Brexiteers? ?
:32:14. > :32:23.Mis-May and Mr Hammond or Corbyn and McDonald? Definitely, Theresa May.
:32:24. > :32:29.Theresa May, David Davis. Bigger than Mr Corbyn and Mr
:32:30. > :32:35.McDonald? Yes, because we say we want to put jobs in the economy
:32:36. > :32:40.first. Three members have been sack from
:32:41. > :32:50.the front bench for saying that they want to be part of the single
:32:51. > :32:58.market? How can you say that Corbyn and McDonald are less Brexiteer than
:32:59. > :33:03.Theresa May or Mr Hammond? How can you say that on the issue of
:33:04. > :33:09.membership of the single market, the Labour MPs have fired three? We had
:33:10. > :33:11.a whipped position. They were in the Shadow Cabinet, on the Shadow front
:33:12. > :33:15.bench. The whipped position is the same for
:33:16. > :33:18.Labour as the Government's position on the single market. I don't
:33:19. > :33:24.believe that. What is the difference? Theresa
:33:25. > :33:28.May's... No, the sing the market. In which way does Labour differ from
:33:29. > :33:32.the Conservatives? Our position is we want to see the exact same
:33:33. > :33:36.benefits as we have now from the single market.
:33:37. > :33:41.You can't have that if you are not members. My preference is that the
:33:42. > :33:48.customs union and the single market is on the table.
:33:49. > :33:53.But there was a quotation you lifted cleverly from David Davis, to have
:33:54. > :33:57.the same benefits. That was your joke-in to the Queen's speech.
:33:58. > :34:04.You are now more divided than the Tories. 50 Labour rebels defied the
:34:05. > :34:12.whip to vote for a single market membership amendment. How many Tory
:34:13. > :34:17.rebels were interest there? There weren't.
:34:18. > :34:23.I believe we are far more united than the Tories.
:34:24. > :34:26.Why were there more Labour rebels? Because many wanted to express their
:34:27. > :34:30.views. That's a rebellion. What bit of
:34:31. > :34:34.rebel don't you understand, Liz. I don't believe.
:34:35. > :34:41.You are whistling in the wind. I think that there is a majority in
:34:42. > :34:47.Parliament for same Brexit. There is a majority in Parliament,
:34:48. > :34:51.rightly or wrongly, because your front bench is the same as the Tory
:34:52. > :34:54.front bench. I would like it on the table.
:34:55. > :34:59.I know you would but it is not the position of your front bench. What
:35:00. > :35:02.part don't you get. I do get that. Good, well let's move on, as it is a
:35:03. > :35:09.struggle. Here is a problem for the Tories.
:35:10. > :35:14.Theresa May is lonely, isolated, she has a Cabinet on manoeuvres,
:35:15. > :35:21.attacking each other. Bereft of close advisers. Yesterday the
:35:22. > :35:27.government U-turned twice on public sector pay in the space of six
:35:28. > :35:30.hours. Is not the danger that the government descends into drift,
:35:31. > :35:36.independence, division and that brings it down? That is a possible
:35:37. > :35:40.scenario. I think that the central problem remains Brexit.
:35:41. > :35:45.We have debated this before. You asked me why I think Brexit will be
:35:46. > :35:50.different from what the Tories promised before the election. It is
:35:51. > :35:55.because we are weak and so divided. Whereas before the election we
:35:56. > :35:58.doubted whether the European Union would be tough or conciliatory,
:35:59. > :36:03.there cannot be any doubt about that. They understand the divisions
:36:04. > :36:08.at home. Row are playing the Liz Kennedan
:36:09. > :36:11.game. I am asking about Theresa May's personal position? I am coming
:36:12. > :36:15.to that point. Make it quick.
:36:16. > :36:20.The Tory Party will be divided on the question of which sort of Brexit
:36:21. > :36:23.there will be. And as we get to the question, we will have to decide who
:36:24. > :36:29.is going to leave the party. Right. That is a bigger divide than
:36:30. > :36:34.the differences in the Labour Party. I was talking about the predicament
:36:35. > :36:39.leading to two U-turns in one day. That is what I was talking about. In
:36:40. > :36:43.this political environment, we end up talking about Brexit. It doesn't
:36:44. > :36:47.matter what you ask, it comes back to that.
:36:48. > :36:54.But that is because it is so important.
:36:55. > :36:55.More important than two U-turns. I know when I'm defeated.
:36:56. > :37:00.After weeks of research, the This Week employment experts
:37:01. > :37:02.have concluded that the biggest threat to British jobs is not
:37:03. > :37:04.Brexit, not immigration, not even a recession.
:37:05. > :37:08.Yes, Boy George is now onto his sixth job in as many months
:37:09. > :37:11.and rumour has it he's not going to stop until he's got my job,
:37:12. > :37:15.If only he'd given the same attention to job
:37:16. > :37:24.Anyway, we're putting news fatigue in this week's spotlight.
:37:25. > :37:29.# But with the different meaning since you've been gone
:37:30. > :37:37.The United Kingdom's departure from the EU...
:37:38. > :37:48.If Brexit is Westminster's never-ending story,
:37:49. > :37:50.north of the border, the Eldorado of Scottish
:37:51. > :37:56.independence keeps disappearing deeper into the horizon.
:37:57. > :37:59.The Scottish Government remains committed, strongly,
:38:00. > :38:03.to the principle of giving Scotland a choice at the end of this process.
:38:04. > :38:05.But I want to reassure people that our proposal is not
:38:06. > :38:12.So, does the same old news agenda leave you twiddling your thumbs?
:38:13. > :38:18.Evening Standard editor George Osborne has only been
:38:19. > :38:21.in the job for two months but has already bagged himself yet another
:38:22. > :38:24.post, as an economics don at Manchester University.
:38:25. > :38:36.Great institutions, like Manchester University...
:38:37. > :38:39.Across the pond, the White House has had enough of the media scrutinising
:38:40. > :38:46.This story gets covered day in and day out, and I think
:38:47. > :38:49.America is frankly looking for something better.
:38:50. > :38:52.They are looking for something more, and I think they deserve something
:38:53. > :38:58.Viv Groskop feels overwhelmed by a relentless news cycle.
:38:59. > :39:22.Viv Groskop, welcome. It is exhausting, the news cycle is
:39:23. > :39:25.relentless. Yet, you look so refreshed,
:39:26. > :39:30.Andrewment It's the drugs! It is. It is.
:39:31. > :39:35.Obviously we don't want to draw attention to the fact it is
:39:36. > :39:40.exhausting as it is our livelihood. But when it gets to the that people
:39:41. > :39:43.who work in the news business are overwhelmed saying that they have
:39:44. > :39:48.had enough of politics and can't take anymore, that is when we worry.
:39:49. > :39:54.In the US it is a huge problem. There is a survey that shows that
:39:55. > :39:58.88% of people now are classed as overusers of digital media, so they
:39:59. > :40:03.are on fair phone for more than an hour a day. Up to seven hours a day.
:40:04. > :40:09.It adds up over a lifetime to 11 years on your phone. So something
:40:10. > :40:13.must give. So my new show, is addressing this, Anchor Woman. It is
:40:14. > :40:18.a form of self-help for me. You feel the same? I do. I have
:40:19. > :40:24.three children. I try to be a good role model for them, during the
:40:25. > :40:28.moments I'm not looking at my Korean but there are not many of those
:40:29. > :40:33.moments. So I'm looking for help and answers.
:40:34. > :40:39.But it is hard. There are so many things happening. It is hard to keep
:40:40. > :40:44.up? It is. There is a new movement in America, the Slow News Movement.
:40:45. > :40:50.It is supposed to mirror the Slow Food Movement. Where they are
:40:51. > :40:56.encouraging news rooms to think about developing long reads, long
:40:57. > :40:59.form. Developing the things we used to have in normal journalism, where
:41:00. > :41:05.there were investigation teams and money in reporting. So interesting
:41:06. > :41:09.to read that clip. We want more. We want proper reporting from Russia,
:41:10. > :41:15.we want the truth. But the problem is that we haven't,
:41:16. > :41:19.we run down cul-de-sacs and only when we get to the end do we realise
:41:20. > :41:25.it is a cul-de-sac. I have come back from America. They are obsessed with
:41:26. > :41:30.Trump and Russia. But it is a fat-free obsession. There are
:41:31. > :41:37.endless enquiries going on. We have yet to see a single fact, for rum
:41:38. > :41:41.tying Trump and his campaign team with the Russians.
:41:42. > :41:46.Well, you should work for them. That was compelling.
:41:47. > :41:51.There are many facts out there. The difficulty with the whole fake news
:41:52. > :41:54.agenda that Trump is peddling, is that people start to believe it.
:41:55. > :42:00.They start to think everything is fake news. That they switch off.
:42:01. > :42:03.CNN has lost three reporters for doing a story about Trump that
:42:04. > :42:11.turned out to be wrong. It is everywhere. There is so much news
:42:12. > :42:16.inundating organisations, even well resourced, organisations like CNN
:42:17. > :42:23.find it impossible to keep pace, to check things properly. Never mind
:42:24. > :42:27.Fox News or N BC. Do you find it hard to keep up with what is going
:42:28. > :42:34.on, Michael? I don't attempt to. Is that right? When I am coming on
:42:35. > :42:40.This Week programme, I mung a bit. If there are a few doubts, Andrew
:42:41. > :42:46.won't find them. What is your news diet. Do you
:42:47. > :42:53.subscribe to The Economist or reading the FT. Perhaps not.
:42:54. > :42:56.The Economist is as bad as the Financial Times on the Remain
:42:57. > :43:01.position. I am longing for the days with a
:43:02. > :43:09.pager. No phone, a pager. I liked that. A short message. During the
:43:10. > :43:13.general election I looked at less news than normal. I have vague
:43:14. > :43:20.things of the big story of the day. That was it.
:43:21. > :43:25.So, to stand as an MP, there should be more general elections. Not to
:43:26. > :43:33.read the news. That is reassuring. Tell me about the show you are
:43:34. > :43:39.doing? The show is called Anchor Woman, when the news gets too much.
:43:40. > :43:45.Sparked by a moment when I engaged in a Twitter spat with Piers Morgan
:43:46. > :43:48.and realised I had loaned myself by becoming too addicted to all of
:43:49. > :43:52.this. Good luck with the show.
:43:53. > :43:55.Now, that's your lot for tonight, folks, but not for us.
:43:56. > :43:57.No, we're not going to Annabel's and we're not going to
:43:58. > :44:00.They've both started adopting casual dress code
:44:01. > :44:04.Instead we're off to George Osborne's welcome
:44:05. > :44:09.No, not at the Evening Standard, or Blackrock,
:44:10. > :44:12.or the Washington Speakers' Bureau, or the Northern Powerhouse
:44:13. > :44:16.Partnership, or the McCain Institute, but at the world famous
:44:17. > :44:31.Nighty night, don't let Professor Boy George bite.