0:00:10 > 0:00:13Roll up, roll up!
0:00:13 > 0:00:16For the This Week State Circus.
0:00:16 > 0:00:17Tonight, Andrew's cannon fodder.
0:00:17 > 0:00:18Whoops!
0:00:18 > 0:00:20There he goes.
0:00:20 > 0:00:23You're left with me, for one night only, John Pienaar,
0:00:23 > 0:00:28the This Week ringmaster.
0:00:28 > 0:00:30BOOING
0:00:30 > 0:00:32Ladies and gentlemen, children of all ages, watch
0:00:32 > 0:00:34our clever beasts perform their daring display of dangerous
0:00:34 > 0:00:38political discourse.
0:00:38 > 0:00:41I wanted to be a tiger.
0:00:41 > 0:00:46Politics is a bit of a circus, full of clowns.
0:00:46 > 0:00:48Meanwhile, Kate Williams thinks the whole
0:00:48 > 0:00:50country is in danger of clowning around.
0:00:50 > 0:00:54I'm laughing my head off.
0:00:54 > 0:00:56The mysterious Andrew Rawnsley rounds up a pulsating pageant of
0:00:56 > 0:01:00political poppycock.
0:01:00 > 0:01:06Balderdash and bumpkins.
0:01:06 > 0:01:08And who is the world's strongest man?
0:01:08 > 0:01:11Scottee will be putting masculinity to the test.
0:01:11 > 0:01:20You don't have to be macho to be masculine.
0:01:20 > 0:01:22Yes, throw your hat into the ring.
0:01:22 > 0:01:27It's the This Week big top.
0:01:41 > 0:01:44Evenin' all and welcome to This Week.
0:01:44 > 0:01:47Now, I don't care how much hooch you've put away tonight,
0:01:47 > 0:01:50you've probably noticed that I'm not Andrew.
0:01:50 > 0:01:51It's OK though.
0:01:51 > 0:01:54I matched the specs in the BBC situations vacant ad.
0:01:54 > 0:01:56"Wanted: temporary presenter.
0:01:56 > 0:01:58"Aerodynamic hairstyle, built for comfort, must come
0:01:58 > 0:02:01"with your own pooch".
0:02:01 > 0:02:03So, let's settle into our comfy chairs, pour a lovely warm glass
0:02:03 > 0:02:07of Blue Nun and spare a thought for the poor soul in the news this
0:02:07 > 0:02:09week who was described as "anxious, despondant and discouraged,
0:02:09 > 0:02:13"begging for help.
0:02:13 > 0:02:15Eyes ringed with dark shadows."
0:02:15 > 0:02:18No, I don't mean John Craig, the scuba diver who surfaced at sea
0:02:18 > 0:02:21and found his boat was gone, and swam home followed
0:02:21 > 0:02:22by a 12-foot tiger shark.
0:02:22 > 0:02:24I mean Theresa May.
0:02:24 > 0:02:27After all, John Craig was only circled by one man-eating shark.
0:02:27 > 0:02:29The Prime Minister's surrounded by maybe three or four
0:02:29 > 0:02:33hungry Cabinet ministers, all following behind, and smiling
0:02:33 > 0:02:38supportively, jaws wide-open.
0:02:38 > 0:02:41This week poor Mrs May was described in a German paper as having begged
0:02:41 > 0:02:43to be rescued at her dinner with EU Commission President
0:02:43 > 0:02:45Jean-Claude Junker.
0:02:45 > 0:02:47Although who can blame her for that.
0:02:47 > 0:02:49Jean-Claude denied leaking that story.
0:02:49 > 0:02:51So it can't have been him!
0:02:51 > 0:02:52Can it?
0:02:52 > 0:02:55Then the Brexit Secretary, David Davis, infuriated MPs
0:02:55 > 0:02:57by saying they might not get a vote on the Brexit deal
0:02:57 > 0:03:00until after it's done.
0:03:00 > 0:03:02Mrs May had to contradict him straight away.
0:03:02 > 0:03:05Sort of.
0:03:05 > 0:03:07He said MPs might not get a vote, unless they did.
0:03:07 > 0:03:10She explained MPs would definitely get a vote,
0:03:10 > 0:03:12unless of course they don't.
0:03:12 > 0:03:14Brexit's a bit like that for Mrs May and her Government.
0:03:14 > 0:03:19A long, hard swim, gaping jaws on all sides.
0:03:19 > 0:03:22Talking of fishy characters, joining me on the sofa
0:03:22 > 0:03:24are the Captain Ahab and Free Willy of British Politics.
0:03:24 > 0:03:27I speak, of course, of Michael #choochoo Portillo and Liz
0:03:27 > 0:03:32#fourpercent Kendall.
0:03:32 > 0:03:37And we're also joined by Nelson, my Portuguese Water Dog,
0:03:37 > 0:03:39who's standing in for Molly, and is a bit jumpy about
0:03:39 > 0:03:46EU citizens' rights.
0:03:46 > 0:03:52Michael, your moment of the week. The government commissioned an
0:03:52 > 0:03:54Oxford professor to do some
0:03:54 > 0:03:56The government commissioned an Oxford professor to do some work on
0:03:56 > 0:04:00energy policies, and he came back and said the government had made
0:04:00 > 0:04:05spectacularly bad decisions, that their green subsidies had
0:04:05 > 0:04:08overestimated the cost of conventional energy sources and,
0:04:08 > 0:04:13indeed, of alternative energy sources, that they had locked
0:04:13 > 0:04:16themselves into long-term contracts with much higher prices than
0:04:16 > 0:04:20necessary, that the average consumer is probably paying £150 per year
0:04:20 > 0:04:24more on their electricity bill than they need to, and the amount of
0:04:24 > 0:04:28subsidies is Jude to go up by about three times in the next 20 years. I
0:04:28 > 0:04:31would like to add to that that the Government's intervention also looks
0:04:31 > 0:04:35like it will produce a situation where we actually don't have enough
0:04:35 > 0:04:40electricity. If there was one lesson I thought we had learned 30 years
0:04:40 > 0:04:45ago was that government intervention in markets tends to lead to a
0:04:45 > 0:04:49shortage. Just look at the Soviet Union if you doubt it.And more
0:04:49 > 0:04:55intervention on the way. Liz, your moment.It has to be the utter
0:04:55 > 0:04:59shambles we have seen on Brexit this week. On Monday, Theresa May told
0:04:59 > 0:05:04MPs there will not be a transition deal until there is a future trade
0:05:04 > 0:05:08deal, which will create a cliff edge for business, and then Number Ten
0:05:08 > 0:05:12said she had misspoken. On Wednesday David Davis said Parliament may not
0:05:12 > 0:05:16get a boat on either the initial Brexit deal, or the long-term trade
0:05:16 > 0:05:21deal, until after we have left the EU, only to issue a clarifying
0:05:21 > 0:05:25statement afterwards. This would be a complete joke that it wasn't
0:05:25 > 0:05:29causing such uncertainty for business. That is my worry. They
0:05:29 > 0:05:33have to take decisions close to the end of this year, or early next
0:05:33 > 0:05:38year, and there is no clarity about what is happening.I sense we may
0:05:38 > 0:05:40come back to that later in the programme.
0:05:40 > 0:05:42Now, what with Andrew away we're feeling a little
0:05:42 > 0:05:43off the leash tonight.
0:05:43 > 0:05:45Aren't we, Nelson?
0:05:45 > 0:05:47So much so that we're going to break our golden rule.
0:05:47 > 0:05:49That's right, we want to hear from you.
0:05:49 > 0:05:50Both of you.
0:05:50 > 0:05:51Which means it's Twelfie time.
0:05:51 > 0:05:54So, in honour of today's Westminster Dog of the Year
0:05:54 > 0:05:56competition, we'd like to see a picture of you and your pooch.
0:05:56 > 0:05:58Or, in fact, whatever pet you like.
0:05:58 > 0:05:59The weirder the better.
0:05:59 > 0:06:02But remember you have to be seen to be watching the programme.
0:06:02 > 0:06:05Our technology wizards will be on hand to edit them
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0:06:06 > 0:06:08As ever, bonus points will be awarded for crazy outfits,
0:06:08 > 0:06:10keep them clean, and lashings of Blue Nun.
0:06:10 > 0:06:13And for a chance to make it onto our Twelfie finale,
0:06:13 > 0:06:20make sure you use hashtag twelfie.
0:06:20 > 0:06:22Now, this week it was the turn of billionaire media mogul
0:06:22 > 0:06:25Michael Bloomberg to wade into the Brexit debate,
0:06:25 > 0:06:27calling Brexit the single stupidist thing any country had ever done.
0:06:27 > 0:06:30Though he did say America had since "Trumped that".
0:06:30 > 0:06:32The former mayor of New York ought to watch out.
0:06:32 > 0:06:35A certain government whip might be on his case.
0:06:35 > 0:06:37Chris Heaton Harris was accused of McCarthyism this week
0:06:37 > 0:06:39after drawing up a list of university lecturers
0:06:39 > 0:06:43who taught Brexit courses.
0:06:43 > 0:06:48So has Britain lost the plot?
0:06:48 > 0:06:49Are we suffering a national nervous breakdown?
0:06:49 > 0:06:52Or should we stiffen our sinews and tell the naysayers to naff off?
0:06:52 > 0:06:59Here's historian, Kate Williams, with her take of the week.
0:07:13 > 0:07:15If the clowns in Parliament were in a circus, rather
0:07:15 > 0:07:17than presiding over the destiny of our country,
0:07:17 > 0:07:21it would be a laughing matter.
0:07:21 > 0:07:23But I'm beginning to worry about the direction our once great
0:07:23 > 0:07:26country is going in.
0:07:46 > 0:07:48The Conservatives came into the election this year
0:07:48 > 0:07:50promising successfully managed Brexit.
0:07:50 > 0:07:55Instead, they've proved themselves incapable of the juggling act.
0:07:55 > 0:07:58We have a Cabinet in civil war, and a leader who always
0:07:58 > 0:08:01has to watch her back.
0:08:01 > 0:08:03With a government divided, how can we expect to
0:08:03 > 0:08:05have a strong negotiating hand?
0:08:05 > 0:08:08And as for Labour, is their position pragmatism, opportunism?
0:08:08 > 0:08:11Great Britain is in limbo.
0:08:18 > 0:08:20A country with a sense of purpose should encourage
0:08:20 > 0:08:21free speech and debate.
0:08:21 > 0:08:24But instead we have a Conservative whip on a strange mission to audit
0:08:24 > 0:08:25university teaching on Brexit.
0:08:25 > 0:08:28Pretty McCarthyite.
0:08:28 > 0:08:31On the other side, confusion about who should and shouldn't
0:08:31 > 0:08:32be allowed to speak.
0:08:32 > 0:08:34We should nurture the great minds of the future,
0:08:34 > 0:08:38not tunnel their vision.
0:08:45 > 0:08:51China has announced plans to build 66 more airports over
0:08:51 > 0:08:54the next five years.
0:08:54 > 0:08:57The UK can't even decide where to build one runway.
0:08:57 > 0:09:00The truth is, if we don't manage Brexit with a bit more skill,
0:09:00 > 0:09:05we might not even need one.
0:09:05 > 0:09:08The CEO of Goldman Sachs has already said he's going to be
0:09:08 > 0:09:10spending more time in Frankfurt, and the boss of Bloomberg said
0:09:10 > 0:09:13he might not even have built his company's new HQ here,
0:09:13 > 0:09:16had he known about Brexit.
0:09:17 > 0:09:20This is really no time to be taking false comfort in those pretty
0:09:20 > 0:09:24average growth rates.
0:09:24 > 0:09:27The show must go on, and it's time to get
0:09:27 > 0:09:37it back on the road.
0:09:42 > 0:09:50And our thanks to the Moscow State Circus.
0:09:50 > 0:09:57Kate Williams has joined us. Thanks for coming in. Liz and Michael, do
0:09:57 > 0:10:01you agree, is the country suffering a kind of national nervous
0:10:01 > 0:10:06breakdown, tearing its hair out and afraid of the future?I think where
0:10:06 > 0:10:10Kate is right is about the lack of leadership and vision for where the
0:10:10 > 0:10:16country is going. I actually think that is a much bigger problem for
0:10:16 > 0:10:22Theresa May than the weakness and division over Brexit. If I think of
0:10:22 > 0:10:24the great reforming Labour governments, they had a national
0:10:24 > 0:10:30mission that brought people together. In 1945 after winning the
0:10:30 > 0:10:35poor, we were winning the peace with the welfare state. In 1964, it was
0:10:35 > 0:10:39seizing the white heat of technological revolution. In 1997
0:10:39 > 0:10:42there was a strong message about opportunity for all and investing in
0:10:42 > 0:10:48public services. For me, we have a huge challenge of Brexit but the
0:10:48 > 0:10:50real challenge for May and the government is they don't have a
0:10:50 > 0:10:54clear vision for where the country is going, and they will never get
0:10:54 > 0:10:59out of the hole they are in until they do.You sound as if you think
0:10:59 > 0:11:03with the right attitude, vision and plan, which might need to be
0:11:03 > 0:11:09rewritten, it could work.I would like to see greater honesty over the
0:11:09 > 0:11:13Brexit debate. Immediately after the referendum I said that what Theresa
0:11:13 > 0:11:19May should do is to try and say, Remainers are not kind to get
0:11:19 > 0:11:23everything they want and neither are Brexiteers. They will have to be
0:11:23 > 0:11:27compromise and honesty about the challenges we face. Instead, she got
0:11:27 > 0:11:30into bed with the hard-line Brexiteers in her own country and
0:11:30 > 0:11:36the divisions have remained.I agree that the country runs best when
0:11:36 > 0:11:40people have a clear idea of the way in which they want to lead it. Your
0:11:40 > 0:11:44history was selected because you left out Margaret Thatcher, the
0:11:44 > 0:11:47greatest example of a leader knowing where she wanted to lead the
0:11:47 > 0:11:54country.But very divisive.I would add to Kate's list a number of
0:11:54 > 0:11:57things. The state of our prisons is appalling and I am unhappy about the
0:11:57 > 0:12:02state of our education and our National Health Service, the state
0:12:02 > 0:12:06of our policing, public trust in public institutions. There are a
0:12:06 > 0:12:10whole lot of things which make the country at the moment look rather a
0:12:10 > 0:12:14laughing stock. I am Rob Lee less worried about Brexit than about some
0:12:14 > 0:12:19of those things, because in the end Brexit will work out all right.You
0:12:19 > 0:12:22will never have the money to put into prisons or education if there
0:12:22 > 0:12:28is a problem with our economy caused by Brexit. One of the most important
0:12:28 > 0:12:32things is, I believe Brexit was, and I have said before, I cry for
0:12:32 > 0:12:36change. The problem is, the way the government is going, we will end up
0:12:36 > 0:12:40with no Deal or a bad deal, which will make the underlying problem is
0:12:40 > 0:12:45far harder to deal with.We have the situation in which the government
0:12:45 > 0:12:48has commissioned reports on the effect of Brexit and the economy,
0:12:48 > 0:12:53and we are not seeing them. In fact, we are not told which aspects of the
0:12:53 > 0:12:58economy they are on. And now we are being told that Theresa May probably
0:12:58 > 0:13:04hasn't read them and that Kavanagh has just read summary reports. To
0:13:04 > 0:13:09me, that is a massive discrepancy, a complete dereliction of duty. If we
0:13:09 > 0:13:13want to know what is going to happen, we need research. There is
0:13:13 > 0:13:17research but it is not being read or disgust. There is no honesty about
0:13:17 > 0:13:21the effects of Brexit. Too much cheerleading, talking about red,
0:13:21 > 0:13:26white and blue Brexit. The Conservatives at the election said,
0:13:26 > 0:13:30vote for me and a hard Brexit, did not get the result they were
0:13:30 > 0:13:37expecting and there has been chaos ever since. The concern is that we
0:13:37 > 0:13:40literally have, businesses have no idea what's going on and we have one
0:13:40 > 0:13:48year to decide what kind of deal we want. By October next year, we need
0:13:48 > 0:13:54a decision. The very fact is that even if MPs are given a vote, which
0:13:54 > 0:13:58first David Davis said they were not, but even if they are, it is a
0:13:58 > 0:14:03choice between the deal on the table and no Deal because there is no time
0:14:03 > 0:14:08to renegotiate.It is time that Liz repeated the mantra from before the
0:14:08 > 0:14:11general election, very wisely, that the people have decided and that you
0:14:11 > 0:14:14believe in the authority and autonomy of the people, and you will
0:14:14 > 0:14:20respect their decision. Remember, this was a democratic decision. When
0:14:20 > 0:14:23you were frightened of losing your seat, you said so rather clearly,
0:14:23 > 0:14:28and I think you ought to say so again.I always have done. Brexit
0:14:28 > 0:14:34was on the ballot but not what type of Brexit we get.The European Union
0:14:34 > 0:14:39loads to democracy. Again and again it has had countries who have had
0:14:39 > 0:14:42referendums. When they come out the way the European Union does not
0:14:42 > 0:14:45like, those people are normally forced to vote again. The first
0:14:45 > 0:14:50time, they came up against the British people, will not be asked to
0:14:50 > 0:14:53vote twice because they have ready made up their mind. If they were
0:14:53 > 0:14:57asked to vote again, they would certainly give a Roseberry to those
0:14:57 > 0:15:02asking them to vote a second time. The European Union can't bear
0:15:02 > 0:15:04demonstrations of democracy, but the British people have spoken and it is
0:15:04 > 0:15:12the job of all of us...That is not the point that Kate was making.Kate
0:15:12 > 0:15:16was being sneering about Brexit, for which the people voted.Ayew
0:15:16 > 0:15:22irredeemably gloomy about this? Britain 12-macro world wars and even
0:15:22 > 0:15:30a World Cup. It is possible, is it not, to make a success of Brexit?
0:15:30 > 0:15:35We had a lot of help to win those World Wars. To say our civil
0:15:35 > 0:15:38servants got us through the Blitz. They are working hard, but no-one is
0:15:38 > 0:15:41looking at their work. The thing about the vote, it was a democratic
0:15:41 > 0:15:46vote and of course it was 52%, a win. Many people believed what they
0:15:46 > 0:15:50were going to get was something, it was not a
0:15:50 > 0:15:51were going to get was something, it was not a hard Brexit. Many talked
0:15:51 > 0:15:56about staying in the single market and the customs union. Things will
0:15:56 > 0:16:00pretty much be the same with more money. We wouldn't be making -Are
0:16:00 > 0:16:06you over stating your case a bit? You talk about McCarthyism?I would
0:16:06 > 0:16:10love it if I was proved -They have written saying, what are you doing
0:16:10 > 0:16:15saying about Brexit that is not McCarthyism?We have a setup in what
0:16:15 > 0:16:19is going on with Brexit is blamed on critics. People who criticise it,
0:16:19 > 0:16:24whether on TV or possibly in universe tics they are not
0:16:24 > 0:16:27criticising Brexit but teaching critical thinking. We have a
0:16:27 > 0:16:33situation where the Guardian newspaper and commentators are
0:16:33 > 0:16:35blamed for the problems. The problems are complicated.
0:16:35 > 0:16:40We need to make it clear to the public.What people feel strongly
0:16:40 > 0:16:45about is that we are a liberal democracy and in a liberal democracy
0:16:45 > 0:16:49people are entitled to express their opinions. One of the reasons I'm
0:16:49 > 0:16:53proud to be British is because of that freedom speeched and tolerance.
0:16:53 > 0:16:58I think the accusations that people are enemies of the people or
0:16:58 > 0:17:03saboteurs in trying to shut down debate or criticisms of Broadcasting
0:17:03 > 0:17:07Corporations for not being positive. We should be proud of that freedom
0:17:07 > 0:17:15of speech.People should use moderate language. That's all very
0:17:15 > 0:17:19unfortunate. As I've said on this programme before. Actually, most
0:17:19 > 0:17:22people in this country are absolutely convinced that we do not
0:17:22 > 0:17:25want to go the way that the rest of the European Union is going. We
0:17:25 > 0:17:28don't want to be part of the euro. We don't want to be part of a United
0:17:28 > 0:17:33States of Europe. We don't see to see the bullying there has been been
0:17:33 > 0:17:41of Greece. We don't want mass youth unemployment in Italy or Spain.Do
0:17:41 > 0:17:47you think there should be more honesty about the compromises, risks
0:17:47 > 0:17:52and tradeoffs? I think that is the problem. We need to be honest about,
0:17:52 > 0:17:56you know, if we are out of the single market, what that will mean
0:17:56 > 0:18:01and what the tradeoffs are? I just feel that at the moment anybody who
0:18:01 > 0:18:05raises questions or concerns is shouted down.I think people
0:18:05 > 0:18:08honestly don't know the answers. Interesting interview with the Head
0:18:08 > 0:18:13of Operations for Nissan. He was saying - five million parts come
0:18:13 > 0:18:18into the factories in the UK every day. 40,000 jobs. If there a one
0:18:18 > 0:18:22minute delay in his supply chain. It's a disaster. Six minutes is a
0:18:22 > 0:18:26complete disaster. There is no clarity of what is happening to all
0:18:26 > 0:18:29of his parts due to the customs union. No-one can give anyone an
0:18:29 > 0:18:34answer.At the moment there are four countries outside the European Union
0:18:34 > 0:18:37who trade without any kind of tariffs with the European Union. Now
0:18:37 > 0:18:42if the European Union is really going to impose tariffs on Britain
0:18:42 > 0:18:47when it doesn't impose tariffs on four other European nations. The
0:18:47 > 0:18:53Norway, Iceland -They are a single market.If it will impose tariffs on
0:18:53 > 0:18:57Britain when it doesn't impose tariffs on other countries, I don't
0:18:57 > 0:19:02see how that would be a defensible position.If we have no deal it's
0:19:02 > 0:19:09WTO tariffs not EU.Why no deal? Because -Some members of the
0:19:09 > 0:19:12Cabinet and back benchers want it. This is the fundamental issue.No,
0:19:12 > 0:19:21they want to give us a negotiationing position.The --
0:19:21 > 0:19:26negotiating position. The Tory party is split.Negotiations are coming.
0:19:26 > 0:19:31The Government of course has got to confront a political reality on the
0:19:31 > 0:19:35European side of the table. They need to judge how far they want to
0:19:35 > 0:19:39make it clear it's better off to be in the club than outside. That is a
0:19:39 > 0:19:42political dynamic that is underlined?The Brexiteers who go
0:19:42 > 0:19:46around talking about no deal at all have so far done us an extraordinary
0:19:46 > 0:19:50favour. They have strengthened our negotiating position so that when
0:19:50 > 0:19:54Mrs May went to the European summit the other day suddenly they were
0:19:54 > 0:19:58talking about working on the treaty, accelerating the process. They got
0:19:58 > 0:20:02rather scared by the idea of their being no deal and not surprisingly
0:20:02 > 0:20:07because many be European businesses would be very unhappy by the idea
0:20:07 > 0:20:11there would be no deal and they would face tariffs on their exports
0:20:11 > 0:20:19into Britain. They export much more into Britain than we export to them.
0:20:19 > 0:20:26We need to round things up. It's a safe bet we will come back to this.
0:20:26 > 0:20:28Now it's late.
0:20:28 > 0:20:31"Too late for Jeremy Corbyn to watch This Week" kind of late.
0:20:31 > 0:20:33Which is a shame because the Labour leader's due to appear
0:20:33 > 0:20:36on Gogglebox this weekend, and we were hoping he'd cast his
0:20:36 > 0:20:37expert eye over this shambles.
0:20:37 > 0:20:39Apparently, he prefers Tracey Ullman.
0:20:39 > 0:20:39Fair enough!
0:20:39 > 0:20:41Anyway, someone who's undiscriminating enough to think
0:20:41 > 0:20:44this programme deserves some attention is the artist and writer
0:20:44 > 0:20:46Scottee, who'll be putting the issue of masculinity
0:20:46 > 0:20:56in tonight's Spotlight.
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0:21:09 > 0:21:12You have been warned!
0:21:12 > 0:21:16This week, motorists in central London were made to pay
0:21:16 > 0:21:18an additional T-Charge - or "Toxic Tax" - if their cars
0:21:18 > 0:21:20spew out high emissions.
0:21:20 > 0:21:23Which made us wonder what kind of charge they'll slap
0:21:23 > 0:21:26on our poor old Chancellor, who the papers have started
0:21:26 > 0:21:30calling "Toxic Phil", chugging across Westminster Bridge,
0:21:30 > 0:21:32causing his own backbenchers to cover their noses with their blue
0:21:32 > 0:21:37silk polka dot hankies.
0:21:37 > 0:21:39Senior government figures fear that the Chancellor has become
0:21:39 > 0:21:41so toxic that he can't drive difficult measures
0:21:41 > 0:21:43through the Commons, without getting towed off
0:21:43 > 0:21:47to the scrap heap, or even, who knows, the House of Lords.
0:21:47 > 0:21:57Here's Andrew Rawnsley with the round up of the political week.
0:22:04 > 0:22:08Ah-ha, there you are again.
0:22:08 > 0:22:12We all know that politics is a strange business,
0:22:12 > 0:22:16a game of smoke and mirrors, a world of distortion,
0:22:16 > 0:22:23but this week we really went through the looking glass.
0:22:23 > 0:22:29The week began with a leaked account of private talks at the EU Summit.
0:22:29 > 0:22:32It was claimed that a hollow-eyed Theresa May had been reduced
0:22:32 > 0:22:36to begging for help from Jean-Claude Juncker.
0:22:36 > 0:22:39The President of the European Commission is fond of the grape,
0:22:39 > 0:22:41but he insisted that he kept his mouth corked.
0:22:41 > 0:22:43REPORTER:Did you tell the German press what happened?
0:22:43 > 0:22:48No, never.
0:22:48 > 0:22:51I'm really surprised, if not shocked, by what has been
0:22:51 > 0:22:54written in the German press and of course repeated
0:22:54 > 0:22:54by the British press.
0:22:54 > 0:22:58Nothing is true in all this.
0:22:58 > 0:23:01I had an excellent working dinner with Theresa May.
0:23:01 > 0:23:02She was in good shape.
0:23:02 > 0:23:07She was not tired.
0:23:07 > 0:23:12She was fighting, as is her duty.
0:23:12 > 0:23:14So everything, for me, was OK.
0:23:14 > 0:23:20The Brexit Secretary, David Davis, DD to friends,
0:23:20 > 0:23:21he's a confident fellow.
0:23:21 > 0:23:22Can swagger sitting down.
0:23:22 > 0:23:24I'm not saying he's in love with his own reflection,
0:23:24 > 0:23:28but when he looks in a mirror, he certainly sees a lot to admire.
0:23:28 > 0:23:31His breezy insouciance got DD into trouble when he suggested that
0:23:31 > 0:23:35MPs might not get to vote on any Brexit deal until after
0:23:35 > 0:23:44Britain has left the EU.
0:23:44 > 0:23:47I'm sorry, the vote of our parliament, the UK Parliament,
0:23:47 > 0:23:49could be after March 2019?
0:23:49 > 0:23:52Yes, could be.
0:23:52 > 0:23:55Which would be, sorry...
0:23:55 > 0:23:57Well, it can't come before we have the deal.
0:23:57 > 0:24:00That would surely be too crazy, even for the Westminster fun has.
0:24:00 > 0:24:02Where the Government is already in so much difficulty
0:24:02 > 0:24:06over its Brexit legislation.
0:24:06 > 0:24:09I'm confident, because it is in the interests of both sides,
0:24:09 > 0:24:13and it's not just this parliament that wants to have a vote on that
0:24:13 > 0:24:15deal, but actually there will be ratification by other parliaments
0:24:15 > 0:24:18that we will be able to achieve that agreement and that negotiation
0:24:18 > 0:24:20in time for this parliament to have the vote
0:24:20 > 0:24:21that we committed to.
0:24:21 > 0:24:27It's not news that the Cabinet is divided about Brexit.
0:24:27 > 0:24:30And you'd think that's quite enough to be going on with but, oh, no,
0:24:30 > 0:24:32as next month's Budget comes into view, Tories are also
0:24:32 > 0:24:35quarrelling about what Philip Hammond should put in his red box.
0:24:35 > 0:24:41Sajid Javid, once a dry as dust Thatcherite,
0:24:41 > 0:24:44emplored the Chancellor to get more housing built by allowing
0:24:44 > 0:24:45additional borrowing.
0:24:45 > 0:24:48What I want to do is make sure that we're using everything
0:24:48 > 0:24:52we have available to deal with this housing crisis.
0:24:52 > 0:24:56And where that means, for example, that we can sensibly borrow more
0:24:56 > 0:24:58to invest in the infrastructure that leads to more housing,
0:24:58 > 0:25:01take advantage of some of the record low interest rates that we have,
0:25:01 > 0:25:04I think we should absolutely be considering that.
0:25:04 > 0:25:07Chancellors don't take kindly to having their elbow nudged like that.
0:25:07 > 0:25:10Spreadsheet Phil sounded like he'd rather chew broken glass than take
0:25:10 > 0:25:15the advice of his Cabinet colleague.
0:25:15 > 0:25:19Can I therefore welcome the Communities Secretary's
0:25:19 > 0:25:22statement yesterday that the Treasury has agreed
0:25:22 > 0:25:25to increase net borrowing by I think £50 billion in order to enable
0:25:25 > 0:25:26this to happen.
0:25:26 > 0:25:30Will he confirm that this is Government policy?
0:25:30 > 0:25:33No, Mr Speaker, that was not what my right honourable friend said,
0:25:33 > 0:25:37as the right honourable gentleman very well knows.
0:25:37 > 0:25:47I would however agree with him that increasing activity
0:25:47 > 0:25:49in the construction sector is a very good way of creating jobs.
0:25:49 > 0:25:51Brexit is warping our politics in all manner
0:25:51 > 0:25:55of weird and wacky ways.
0:25:55 > 0:25:56Take Shadow Chancellor John McDonnell.
0:25:56 > 0:25:59This unashamed admirer of Karl Marx appears to be shape shifting
0:25:59 > 0:26:03into a champion of corporate Britain.
0:26:03 > 0:26:10Business leaders yesterday made it clear that they need the certainty
0:26:10 > 0:26:11now that there'll be a sensible transition period.
0:26:11 > 0:26:14Businesses cannot wait, they need to plan now.
0:26:14 > 0:26:18Could that be the same John McDonnell who once boasted
0:26:18 > 0:26:20that his pastime was fermenting the overthrow of capitalism?
0:26:20 > 0:26:22Yes, the very same one.
0:26:22 > 0:26:29Chris Patton, Chancellor of Oxford University,
0:26:29 > 0:26:35former Cabinet Minister, all-round Conservative grandee,
0:26:35 > 0:26:40accused another Tory of "idiotic Lennonism."
0:26:40 > 0:26:42Tory witch finder - sorry, whip - Chris Heaton-Harris,
0:26:42 > 0:26:45had written to universities asking for the names of academics
0:26:45 > 0:26:51teaching about Brexit and the contents of their courses.
0:26:51 > 0:26:54Universities Minister, Joe Johnson, was put up to try to douse the row.
0:26:54 > 0:26:58Chris has got a very longstanding interest in European affairs
0:26:58 > 0:27:01and the history of European thought and he, I've spoken to him,
0:27:01 > 0:27:04was pursuing inquiries of his own that may in time I think
0:27:04 > 0:27:13lead to a book on these questions.
0:27:13 > 0:27:16So Ii was more of an Aachen demic inquiry rather than attempt to
0:27:16 > 0:27:18constrain the freedom that academics rightly have.
0:27:18 > 0:27:21Oh, it's for yet another book, by yet another Tory about Brexit.
0:27:21 > 0:27:22JK Rowling shouldn't lose any sleep.
0:27:22 > 0:27:32It's four months since the election and the Government still hasn't set
0:27:32 > 0:27:35up some key committees, including the important
0:27:35 > 0:27:39Intelligence Committee which scrutinises our spies
0:27:39 > 0:27:41and the Liaison Committee which grills the PM.
0:27:41 > 0:27:46Speaker John Bercow got very cross.
0:27:46 > 0:27:51THE SPEAKER:It is absurd and indefensible that,
0:27:51 > 0:27:53more than four months since the State Opening
0:27:53 > 0:27:54of Parliament, that committee,
0:27:54 > 0:27:57which of course consists ever the chairs of the Select Committee,
0:27:57 > 0:27:58has yet to be constituted.
0:27:58 > 0:28:08These committees are there to scrutinise the executive branch.
0:28:08 > 0:28:10Jeremy Corbyn rarely mentions Brexit, except in passing,
0:28:10 > 0:28:12during his weekly ding-dongs with Mrs May.
0:28:12 > 0:28:14The Labour leader reckons a lot of voters are more
0:28:14 > 0:28:16concerned with other things, such as the trouble the Government
0:28:16 > 0:28:24has got into with the introduction of universal credit.
0:28:24 > 0:28:27The Conservative Party and the Government says they have
0:28:27 > 0:28:29full confidence in universal credit, but won't vote for it.
0:28:29 > 0:28:33Yeah!
0:28:33 > 0:28:36They say they will end the NHS pay cap, but won't allocate any
0:28:36 > 0:28:39money to pay for it.
0:28:39 > 0:28:43This Government is weak, incompetent and divided and unable
0:28:43 > 0:28:45to take the essential decisions necessary for the good
0:28:45 > 0:28:50of the people of this country.
0:28:50 > 0:28:53You don't build a stronger economy by planning for capital flight
0:28:53 > 0:28:54and a run on the pound.
0:28:54 > 0:28:59That's what Labour would do and we will never let it happen.
0:28:59 > 0:29:02Strength in politics is all about perceptions,
0:29:02 > 0:29:09who's got authority, who's losing it.
0:29:09 > 0:29:11Just remember, in the Westminster Hall of Mirrors, nothing
0:29:11 > 0:29:12is quite what it seems.
0:29:12 > 0:29:13# Don't look back.
0:29:13 > 0:29:15# Don't look back.
0:29:15 > 0:29:25# Don't look back...#.
0:29:25 > 0:29:28Thanks to Gala Bingo in Tooting, South London who let Andrew
0:29:28 > 0:29:35and his reflection loose in their Hall of Mirrors.
0:29:35 > 0:29:39The Chancellor, Philip Hammond, is he a one-man episode of Mission:
0:29:39 > 0:29:42Impossible just now? He's out to stimulate the economy, but he has no
0:29:42 > 0:29:47money. He's out to help the hard pressed, but he can't spend
0:29:47 > 0:29:52anything. He has to tackle the generational divide of opportunity
0:29:52 > 0:29:56and fairness and yet how do you upset older voters, yet again, if
0:29:56 > 0:29:58you are a Tory Chancellor? Michael, what do you think?
0:30:04 > 0:30:09His main problem is his limited credibility. He has had serious
0:30:09 > 0:30:14accidents during his chancellorship. What was leaked in advance of his
0:30:14 > 0:30:18plan to have different tax rates for people at different ages went down
0:30:18 > 0:30:23like a lead balloon. I don't know whether this was simply testing the
0:30:23 > 0:30:27water and finding out that it was too hot to step into, but it has not
0:30:27 > 0:30:33done his reputation any good. I think Sajid Javid is on to the right
0:30:33 > 0:30:38point, which is that what is most urgently needed is a sea change of
0:30:38 > 0:30:44transformation in the quantity of housing that is built. I think the
0:30:44 > 0:30:47Conservative government should not be afraid to build large numbers of
0:30:47 > 0:30:51council houses, and it is perfectly reasonable, as Sajid Javid says,
0:30:51 > 0:30:56when interest rates are low, to borrow for what is infrastructure,
0:30:56 > 0:31:00what is capital, what survives, is not frittered away. The houses are
0:31:00 > 0:31:05therefore all time. Because you increase supply, that would bring
0:31:05 > 0:31:12down the time and that would really make a difference to the correctly
0:31:12 > 0:31:16identified generational problem.You have been Chief Secretary to the
0:31:16 > 0:31:19Treasury, so if you were hoping that the next Budget together and trying
0:31:19 > 0:31:24to do what you have described, does that mean letting local councils
0:31:24 > 0:31:28borrow the money they say they need to build houses?That is exactly
0:31:28 > 0:31:33what it means. The Government has to authorise the amount of capital
0:31:33 > 0:31:36local authorities can use. But the local authorities are the only
0:31:36 > 0:31:40people who can make almost an overnight change to the amount of
0:31:40 > 0:31:46housing being built.Absolutely. Because in the private sector it
0:31:46 > 0:31:49seems the limited number of big house-builders would rather build a
0:31:49 > 0:31:53small number of big houses for big profits come rather than large
0:31:53 > 0:31:57numbers of small houses for small profits. Local authorities can do
0:31:57 > 0:32:02things quickly.What is wrong with letting them do that? George Osborne
0:32:02 > 0:32:07kept a lid on this. It adds to the national debt, but that borrowing
0:32:07 > 0:32:13creates jobs, creates housing, it is productive spending, Liz.It is
0:32:13 > 0:32:18something I have supported for a long while. I think it would also
0:32:18 > 0:32:21help with one of the big challenges the economy has which is that it
0:32:21 > 0:32:26still remains very geographically unbalanced. I would also like to see
0:32:26 > 0:32:32more investment in transport infrastructure in the regions, not
0:32:32 > 0:32:37just north to south, but east to west, and in skills, absolutely. And
0:32:37 > 0:32:45I think that... The problem... You need the right Chancellor and leader
0:32:45 > 0:32:49for the right time. Actually what we need is a reforming Chancellor who
0:32:49 > 0:32:55is going to deal with the underlying causes of the anger I think that
0:32:55 > 0:33:00people felt and why they voted for Brexit, and make sure that our
0:33:00 > 0:33:04economy, the fundamental problem is it is not delivering rising earnings
0:33:04 > 0:33:10for the majority of British people. And that is due to deep seated
0:33:10 > 0:33:14long-term problems, lack of investment, geographical and
0:33:14 > 0:33:19balance, inequality. And I don't see anything of the radical reforming
0:33:19 > 0:33:24Chancellor in Philip Hammond.We still have rock bottom interest
0:33:24 > 0:33:28rates, which is handy. Would you not be risking that if you start opening
0:33:28 > 0:33:32up the spending and borrowing taps? Would the markets be comfortable
0:33:32 > 0:33:38with that?We do have rock bottom interest rates which are useful for
0:33:38 > 0:33:44the government to borrow against. Of course, they also encourage people
0:33:44 > 0:33:51to borrow on wisely. We do have a big credit problem. So I am not sure
0:33:51 > 0:33:56that we should not have slightly higher interest rates anyway. The
0:33:56 > 0:33:59governor of the Bank of England has been hinting every six months for
0:33:59 > 0:34:03the last four years that we will have higher interest rates, and I
0:34:03 > 0:34:08think not with a great sense of despondency. Maybe that is a risk we
0:34:08 > 0:34:13can take.Let me pick up something else laid out there. We have seen
0:34:13 > 0:34:16vote after vote where the government, because it thought it
0:34:16 > 0:34:21might be at risk of losing, simply ran away and did not play. What does
0:34:21 > 0:34:24that say about the government's respects our parliamentary
0:34:24 > 0:34:30democracy?Firstly, not to be naive, it tells you the government does not
0:34:30 > 0:34:34really have a majority, which is not a huge surprise. We learned that on
0:34:34 > 0:34:41election day.Is that a specious point? We have not seen too much of
0:34:41 > 0:34:46this in the past.It depends what passed you are talking about. There
0:34:46 > 0:34:50was a play in the West End recently which was a salutary reminder of how
0:34:50 > 0:34:56the Labour government survived between 1974-1979, on a wing and a
0:34:56 > 0:35:00prayer and every kind of trickery that it could invent. And that is
0:35:00 > 0:35:07the only way this government will survive five years, if it does.Liz.
0:35:07 > 0:35:12I think it is disrespectful to Parliament that I am more concerned,
0:35:12 > 0:35:16actually, that particularly on the issue of universal credit, which is
0:35:16 > 0:35:21yet to be rolled out in my part of the world, that they are not
0:35:21 > 0:35:28actually changing it. The risk for the Tories is that "Nasty party"
0:35:28 > 0:35:32label will remain. And the votes that they have not wanted to have
0:35:32 > 0:35:35our own issues where they are not helping those on the lowest income
0:35:35 > 0:35:40and the working poor. And those are the votes they should be seriously
0:35:40 > 0:35:48concerned about. Because it is part of their reputation. I come back to
0:35:48 > 0:35:52Philip Hammond again. I don't see him, a Chancellor who understands
0:35:52 > 0:35:58that all will have the courage to push those changes through.Just in
0:35:58 > 0:36:01a word, Michael, we have not discussed universal credit this
0:36:01 > 0:36:05evening but it has been discussed all week wherever you look. There
0:36:05 > 0:36:11are concessions backing up in the pipeline.Of course, remember that
0:36:11 > 0:36:15universal credit is an ideal kind of thing. People have been hoping to
0:36:15 > 0:36:18invent this for decades, something that really made it clear to
0:36:18 > 0:36:24claimants and made it worthwhile to be in work. Not surprisingly, a
0:36:24 > 0:36:28government department is not able to deliver it in an efficient way. It
0:36:28 > 0:36:32is extraordinary that they should have to wait six weeks for payments.
0:36:32 > 0:36:36Can you imagine any minister signing a bit of paper that says if you ring
0:36:36 > 0:36:40up about your credit it will cost 55p per minute to be on the
0:36:40 > 0:36:45telephone? The idea is brilliant but if the administration is as bad as
0:36:45 > 0:36:50it appears, it will have to be postponed.You think it should be
0:36:50 > 0:36:55paused altogether?Of course it should be paused.A government that
0:36:55 > 0:37:01has no majority cannot risk a repeat of poll tax over Christmas.It
0:37:01 > 0:37:04should be paused. It feeds back into the idea that government ministers
0:37:04 > 0:37:08do not understand that if you have to wait six weeks for your money,
0:37:08 > 0:37:13you can't survive and might lose your home. This is exactly the
0:37:13 > 0:37:17problem, and Philip Hammond is not the person to deal with that.
0:37:17 > 0:37:20This Week, I'm told, is famed for indulging male privilege.
0:37:20 > 0:37:22But, viewers, it's all change under my watch.
0:37:22 > 0:37:23I've tied Michael's best cummerbund around his knees
0:37:23 > 0:37:26to stop his manspreading, given Liz a pay rise,
0:37:26 > 0:37:29and after the show, we're giving Lou Lou's a swerve and heading
0:37:29 > 0:37:31to hers to watch a box set of Dolly Parton movies.
0:37:31 > 0:37:34Michael loves the bits where he can sing.
0:37:34 > 0:37:36Yes, we're doing our bit to challenge old attitudes.
0:37:36 > 0:37:43That's why we're putting masculinity in this week's Spotlight.
0:37:46 > 0:37:49In a week when a BBC survey suggests that half of women have been
0:37:49 > 0:37:52sexually harassed at work or a place of study, retiring peer
0:37:52 > 0:37:54Baroness Trumpington reckons ladies have reached their limit.
0:37:54 > 0:37:57Women used to be terrified of making a fuss.
0:37:57 > 0:38:04Now, they don't give a damn.
0:38:04 > 0:38:08But will we now take a woman at her word when she makes a fuss?
0:38:08 > 0:38:10Maybe this is it, maybe this is the watershed moment
0:38:10 > 0:38:13where we believe women.
0:38:13 > 0:38:19Allegations of misogyny against Labour's Jared O'Mara have
0:38:19 > 0:38:23been taken seriously enough that he's been suspended from the party.
0:38:23 > 0:38:30He called me an ugly bitch.
0:38:30 > 0:38:32But should the onus be on victims, or should everyone fight
0:38:32 > 0:38:34for better treatment of women?
0:38:34 > 0:38:38All of us in this house should have due care and attention to the way
0:38:38 > 0:38:40in which we refer to other people.
0:38:40 > 0:38:48And should show women in public life the respect that they deserve.
0:38:48 > 0:38:50In a new era of respect, is there room for vulgar
0:38:50 > 0:38:53comments made in jest.
0:38:53 > 0:38:57On your knees, bitch.
0:38:57 > 0:39:01Jeremy Corbyn, leader of the Labour Party, visiting Norwich.
0:39:01 > 0:39:04Jezza, was Clive Lewis wrong to say that?
0:39:04 > 0:39:06Completely wrong, should never have said it.
0:39:06 > 0:39:08This kind of language is not acceptable in any
0:39:08 > 0:39:13circumstances, any time.
0:39:13 > 0:39:15But are blokes just hard-wired to be obnoxious?
0:39:15 > 0:39:19Well, if Emmanuel Macron's pooch, Nemo, is anything to go by...
0:39:27 > 0:39:30Artist Scottee thinks men need to face up to their flaws
0:39:30 > 0:39:32and take more responsibility for their behaviour.
0:39:32 > 0:39:39But is it really hard being a man?
0:39:39 > 0:39:46And Scottee is with us now.
0:39:46 > 0:39:53Thanks for coming in. Give us your verdict in essence. It is male
0:39:53 > 0:39:56superiority confined to an anachronistic corner of our gender,
0:39:56 > 0:40:01or is it hard-wired in the male brain?I think it's starker than
0:40:01 > 0:40:08that, more sinister. I think men in this country, and let's talk about
0:40:08 > 0:40:13this country, are socialised to be a hegemonic version of masculinity.
0:40:13 > 0:40:19They are told they have to be violent, be dominant, to be leaders.
0:40:19 > 0:40:23We have created cultures that endorse that. So we are witnessing
0:40:23 > 0:40:28the effects of that. It's important to say, looking at that short film
0:40:28 > 0:40:31which is a light-hearted look at some horrific things that have come
0:40:31 > 0:40:37to light in the last couple of weeks. But this idea that somehow
0:40:37 > 0:40:41these have just emerged, that these thoughts have just come out, women
0:40:41 > 0:40:45have been telling us for decades that this stuff is going on. We've
0:40:45 > 0:40:50got to understand there is going to be this rage, this anger, this
0:40:50 > 0:40:56backlash, that all of this conversation is about, let's say
0:40:56 > 0:40:59sorry, my daughters, yes, it's now time to listen to women. Women have
0:40:59 > 0:41:07been saying this for a long time. Yes, they have. They have.Its disk
0:41:07 > 0:41:11rates fall, embarrassing, actually, that we have prolific Hollywood film
0:41:11 > 0:41:16stars saying, it's now time that we listen to women. Actually, we need
0:41:16 > 0:41:19to do more than that. It would be really easy in their capacity to
0:41:19 > 0:41:23sign contracts in which they see the contracts of women playing alongside
0:41:23 > 0:41:28them and make sure they are being paid the same.You don't see any
0:41:28 > 0:41:34signs of attitudes changing? Is it a generational thing to any degree?
0:41:34 > 0:41:40That is far too simplistic. My daily experience of a big, fat, queer
0:41:40 > 0:41:44femme, of existing in this world, is one of violence, people taking
0:41:44 > 0:41:49photographs of me in public space, trucks veering across the road to
0:41:49 > 0:41:55shout expletives at me, every day being ridiculed. In fact, I was on
0:41:55 > 0:41:59the phone to the non-emergency police line reporting a homophobic
0:41:59 > 0:42:03hate crime whilst another was taking place to me. That is how much people
0:42:03 > 0:42:08like me have to deal with. If we are asking if it is generational, no,
0:42:08 > 0:42:13this is happening, this is actually happening. I want us to get beyond
0:42:13 > 0:42:18saying maybe it is just banter, maybe it is just what masculinity is
0:42:18 > 0:42:22about. We have to start really critiquing this and looking at it.
0:42:22 > 0:42:27That is what I am trying to do with my art works around the country, to
0:42:27 > 0:42:32have conversations that go beyond the echo chamber.You do what you do
0:42:32 > 0:42:36with your art. Have you got anything else by way of a solution, the
0:42:36 > 0:42:42beginning of an answer to how to make things better?That's a
0:42:42 > 0:42:46difficult question, because how is me, to some extent I am a victim of
0:42:46 > 0:42:51masculinity, because of the aggression that I put up with on a
0:42:51 > 0:42:58day-to-day basis, why is it us, why is it queer, trans-, non-binary
0:42:58 > 0:43:01people who have got to come up with the theory is to be eloquent enough
0:43:01 > 0:43:07to be able to say, this is how we disable toxic muscular nutty?
0:43:07 > 0:43:11Actually, this has to come from within. Men have to acknowledge
0:43:11 > 0:43:15their privilege, and I want them to hand over power. Also, I want them
0:43:15 > 0:43:21to hand over some platform. I am up for trying a matriarchy. We have
0:43:21 > 0:43:25done patriarch you for a long time and it has not worked.Michael, I am
0:43:25 > 0:43:31completely enlightened. What do you think?I have heard a great deal of
0:43:31 > 0:43:36rubbish. Men are not trained to be dominant and violent. I was trained
0:43:36 > 0:43:42to obey a woman, my leader, Margaret Thatcher. And in the present world
0:43:42 > 0:43:47we have a female queen, a female Prime Minister.A female queen, a
0:43:47 > 0:43:54woman who was an elected.A female First Minister of Scotland, a female
0:43:54 > 0:43:56leader of the Conservative Party in Scotland, a female leader of the
0:43:56 > 0:44:00Labour Party in Scotland. I don't recognise the picture you are
0:44:00 > 0:44:04painting at all.You don't recognise the misogyny we are experiencing in
0:44:04 > 0:44:10the world.What is more, won the mark-up or thing about the last 20
0:44:10 > 0:44:13years has been the Emancipation of gay people. We now have gay
0:44:13 > 0:44:19marriage. What, we don't have gay marriage? You are not saying there
0:44:19 > 0:44:25has been a transformation?I will tell you what would be a good
0:44:25 > 0:44:35idea...This isn't just confined to the movie industry. It is
0:44:35 > 0:44:38everywhere. I experienced it when I was a kid growing up in Watford,
0:44:38 > 0:44:44being groped when I was a waitress, when I was working a Saturday job in
0:44:44 > 0:44:47a computer store, going to the boss and being told to just ignore it, or
0:44:47 > 0:44:54to avoid the person. This is about power. Every organisation in the
0:44:54 > 0:44:58land, every public, private, every political party should be looking at
0:44:58 > 0:45:03Cannes women speak out, who can they go to, is there a proper process
0:45:03 > 0:45:07there, and I also think that it is about women's peeking out, but also
0:45:07 > 0:45:13men's saying to other men, this kind of behaviour isn't acceptable. We
0:45:13 > 0:45:16get accused of being prim and proper if we get angry that someone has
0:45:16 > 0:45:22said something to us, but that is because we never know where it will
0:45:22 > 0:45:26end up. It is clearly, my brother, many of his friends and many of my
0:45:26 > 0:45:30friends are not like that at all and things are changing, but there is
0:45:30 > 0:45:35still far too much going on and we are deluded if we think there isn't.
0:45:35 > 0:45:38I have to live up to every stereotype and stop you and talk
0:45:38 > 0:45:41over you and wind up the programme.
0:45:41 > 0:45:43That's your lot for tonight but not for us.
0:45:43 > 0:45:45We've changed our plans, and after we've gone
0:45:45 > 0:45:48through Michael's Dolly Parton box set tonight, we're watching another
0:45:48 > 0:45:49called Bird-watching for Beginners.
0:45:49 > 0:45:50We're a nation of animal lovers.
0:45:50 > 0:45:51Aren't we, Nelson?
0:45:51 > 0:45:54The British predilection for feeding wild birds is, apparently,
0:45:54 > 0:45:56causing the little fellows to grow longer beaks than their
0:45:56 > 0:45:57continental cousins.
0:45:57 > 0:45:59One can only imagine the amazing evolutionary transformations
0:45:59 > 0:46:01we might see in our post-Brexit countryside, unfettered
0:46:01 > 0:46:02by European influence.
0:46:02 > 0:46:05Foxes with opposable thumbs, perhaps?
0:46:05 > 0:46:07Badgers able to defend themselves against Ukip leaders.
0:46:07 > 0:46:12Now that's entertainment!.
0:46:12 > 0:46:22Nighty night, don't let the Twelfie bite.