0:00:11 > 0:00:17Tonight on This Week. Faster than a speeding bullet.It's very sharp an
0:00:17 > 0:00:23intact.Powerful than a locomotive. It could be 200 years old. I don't
0:00:23 > 0:00:33know.Able to leap single buildings in a bound.He has genius.Who can
0:00:33 > 0:00:37it be?It a bird.It it a plane. Don't be silly. It's Jeremy Corbyn.
0:00:37 > 0:00:43He's a man with a lot of momentum. No it's Superman a strange visitor
0:00:43 > 0:00:47from another planet who came to earth with powers and abilities far
0:00:47 > 0:00:53beyond those of mortal men.There is a superhero in all of us, at least
0:00:53 > 0:00:56that's what Andrew told me. You need to be a superhero to do the Round
0:00:56 > 0:01:06Up. Oh, there he is.Politics is just one big stunt. Superman's not a
0:01:06 > 0:01:13political stunt, he can change the course of mighty rivers, bend steel
0:01:13 > 0:01:19in his bare hands and disguised as President Trump fights a
0:01:19 > 0:01:23never-ending battle for truth, justice and the American way. Now
0:01:23 > 0:01:30another exciting episode of This Week.
0:01:30 > 0:01:32Evenin' all welcome to This Week.
0:01:32 > 0:01:34And as we come on air, we can report the latest
0:01:34 > 0:01:37tweets from Donald Trump, the monitoring of which is what
0:01:37 > 0:01:38passes for journalism these days.
0:01:38 > 0:01:40So here they are...
0:01:40 > 0:01:48"The Dali Lama is not a lama".
0:01:49 > 0:01:50#fake news.
0:01:50 > 0:01:52"My favourite Britisher friend, who likes to hold my hand,
0:01:52 > 0:01:59Mother Theresa, is not actually a mother.
0:01:59 > 0:02:00#more fake news.
0:02:00 > 0:02:05"Bear Grylls is not a bear."
0:02:05 > 0:02:06#fake news is everywhere.
0:02:06 > 0:02:10And, "Mark Reckless is too boring to be reckless."
0:02:10 > 0:02:12#who the hell is Mark Reckless?
0:02:12 > 0:02:14At This Week we were disappointed not to be included in
0:02:14 > 0:02:17the President's Fake News Awards because truth decay is what we've
0:02:17 > 0:02:19specialised in long before it became fashionable.
0:02:19 > 0:02:22But we couldn't have afforded to go and pick up the award
0:02:22 > 0:02:24anyway because this week, after years of extravagance and
0:02:24 > 0:02:27appalling management, we went bust.
0:02:27 > 0:02:29Of course we immediately went to the Government
0:02:29 > 0:02:31and they stuffed our pockets with gold-plated contracts.
0:02:31 > 0:02:39But after we'd doubled our pay and bonuses and quadrupled
0:02:40 > 0:02:43the dividend, we had to go back cap in hand to the Government again.
0:02:43 > 0:02:45This time they turned us down flat saying that instead
0:02:45 > 0:02:50they were spending £44 million on the Calais Border Force.
0:02:50 > 0:02:51This is yet another example of government
0:02:51 > 0:02:53waste and extravagance.
0:02:53 > 0:02:55I just don't think it will deter diehard Remainers from trying
0:02:55 > 0:02:56to escape across the Channel.
0:02:56 > 0:02:59Speaking of those who you'd pay to leave the country, I'm joined
0:02:59 > 0:03:02on the sofa tonight by two failed politicians so bereft and bankrupt
0:03:02 > 0:03:04that even the liquidator said he wouldn't tough them
0:03:04 > 0:03:12with a bargepole.
0:03:13 > 0:03:15I speak of course of Liz #4%Kendall and Michael
0:03:15 > 0:03:17#ChooChooPortillo.
0:03:17 > 0:03:26Good evening to you both. Michael your moment of the week?
0:03:26 > 0:03:28your moment of the week?Paul Grugman who works for the New York
0:03:28 > 0:03:34Times. He got the top fake news from Donald Trump. Jon Sopel the BBC
0:03:34 > 0:03:39editor in Washington said he was just an economist who got his
0:03:39 > 0:03:42prediction wrong his prediction was the stock market would slump if
0:03:42 > 0:03:49Donald Trump became President. The stock market has soared ahead. I
0:03:49 > 0:03:54don't agree it's a bad prediction. I think he's a number of people who
0:03:54 > 0:03:57allowed their political prejudice to overcome their professional
0:03:57 > 0:04:01judgment. Who lent the prestige of their position of their authority,
0:04:01 > 0:04:05of their reputations to make a political point. I think it's
0:04:05 > 0:04:12absolutely right that he's denounced for fake news and I would like to
0:04:12 > 0:04:19nominate Georg Osborne who made outrageous claims before Brexit and
0:04:19 > 0:04:27has gone object to be the editor of the Spectator.No.For give me.That
0:04:27 > 0:04:34is a bit of fake news.I think - that has ruined my point, hasn't it.
0:04:34 > 0:04:39I think he deserves to be called out for fake news.He has a Nobel Prize.
0:04:39 > 0:04:47I know. Using the prestige -The stock market went up 30%. A wee bit
0:04:47 > 0:04:52out.It Was not...All right.It was not just an error.We get the point.
0:04:52 > 0:05:01Did you get the point, Liz.I did. Let's move on. What was your That
0:05:01 > 0:05:04life expectancy moment.In some parts of the country has decreased
0:05:04 > 0:05:09by a whole year.I saw that.This is quite extraordinary. And I think it
0:05:09 > 0:05:15should have got a lot more coverage. Former industrial areas, isolated
0:05:15 > 0:05:22rural parts of the country have seen the biggest falls. Whilst it is hard
0:05:22 > 0:05:27to make a clear cause and effect case, we have to look at the root
0:05:27 > 0:05:31causes of ill-health, poverty, poor employment, poor education.Bad
0:05:31 > 0:05:37lifestyle.Also the impact of what is happening on front-line services.
0:05:37 > 0:05:40This is a seriouses issues about regional inequalities that are
0:05:40 > 0:05:43having an affect on people's lives. This should be much higher up the
0:05:43 > 0:05:48agenda.Good moment.
0:05:48 > 0:05:50It's a very British Labour coup.
0:05:50 > 0:05:52Slowly, but so far unstoppably, in an effective but unshowy way,
0:05:52 > 0:05:56the bearded face of Jeremy Corbyn is being carved into his party.
0:05:56 > 0:05:57Forget New Labour.
0:05:57 > 0:05:59Forget Old Labour.
0:05:59 > 0:06:01This is Jezza Labour, with the promise of Labour
0:06:01 > 0:06:04as we've never known it.
0:06:04 > 0:06:07The Labour leader's grip was significantly boosted this week
0:06:07 > 0:06:11when Corbynistas won all three positions vacant on the party's
0:06:11 > 0:06:13governing body, the NEC.
0:06:13 > 0:06:15More important in the wider world, the news agenda tilted
0:06:15 > 0:06:19in a Corbynista direction with daily stories about an NHS stretched
0:06:19 > 0:06:23to the limit and the outsourcing of public services to the private
0:06:23 > 0:06:25sector discredited by the corporate mess, even scandal,
0:06:25 > 0:06:28that became Carillion.
0:06:28 > 0:06:29So is the future bright?
0:06:29 > 0:06:32Is the future Corbyn?
0:06:32 > 0:06:34Barbara Ntumy is a Labour activist and Jezza supporter.
0:06:34 > 0:06:42Here she is with our Take of the Week.
0:06:56 > 0:06:59It's not easy to fix a broken party in a broken system.
0:06:59 > 0:07:02Jeremy hasn't gone for the easy option of putting
0:07:02 > 0:07:05the pieces back together.
0:07:05 > 0:07:07Instead, he's put together an exciting and new vision
0:07:07 > 0:07:12for his party and the country.
0:07:12 > 0:07:16This week the ruling committee, the NEC, welcomed three new members
0:07:16 > 0:07:20directly elected for the first time by the party's membership.
0:07:20 > 0:07:23Jeremy has rightly strengthened his hold,
0:07:23 > 0:07:25but this is more than just that.
0:07:25 > 0:07:33It's about building the party into a more democratic organisation.
0:07:40 > 0:07:44The elected candidates share members' determination to win
0:07:44 > 0:07:49the next election with the focus on the many, and not the few.
0:07:49 > 0:07:52Labour Party members have backed Jeremy's agenda and that is why
0:07:52 > 0:07:54support for the Labour Party from the general
0:07:54 > 0:08:02public is increasing.
0:08:07 > 0:08:14This result has been spung by some as a further move away
0:08:14 > 0:08:15from the Labour Party as a broad church.
0:08:15 > 0:08:23A plan to oust so-called moderate MPs.
0:08:27 > 0:08:30But the Labour Party rules on selection haven't changed.
0:08:30 > 0:08:31Constituent party members automatically made a democratic
0:08:31 > 0:08:35decision on who will represent them best.
0:08:35 > 0:08:38If MPs don't share the views of the leadership and membership,
0:08:38 > 0:08:46they are entitled to take action.
0:08:46 > 0:08:49This is also the week we've seen the wheel come off
0:08:49 > 0:08:52a failed capitalist model.
0:08:52 > 0:08:55Carillion's collapse has seen firefighters deliver meals
0:08:55 > 0:09:02in Oxfordshire and contingency plans enacted across 14 NHS Trusts.
0:09:02 > 0:09:05It's sad that it's taken this to vindicate Jeremy's position.
0:09:05 > 0:09:07Our leader has transformed the party for the better.
0:09:07 > 0:09:15Now, he must transform the country.
0:09:22 > 0:09:25Our thanks to Kite Studios in west London.
0:09:25 > 0:09:30Welcome to our new potter in residence, Barbara Ntumy.
0:09:30 > 0:09:36Welcome to the programme, Barbara. Thank you.
0:09:36 > 0:09:44Thank you.So are the they in control of the Labour Party?They
0:09:44 > 0:09:50weren't the candidates that I voted for and how I see this is there are
0:09:50 > 0:09:58many momentum members like I believe you, Barbara, who really do want to
0:09:58 > 0:10:02change the party and change the world but I'm concerned about
0:10:02 > 0:10:06elements of the hard left who seem more bothered about fighting
0:10:06 > 0:10:11internal battles. You may disagree with me on that, but I think one of
0:10:11 > 0:10:18the first moves of those new members was to get rid of Ann Black.On the
0:10:18 > 0:10:23left her self.Elected by over 100,000 members on to the NEC. I
0:10:23 > 0:10:30think it is really important that this internal fighting has got to
0:10:30 > 0:10:34stop and that we have to focus on changing the country. I hope you're
0:10:34 > 0:10:39right and that doesn't happen, but I do have concerns.What do you say to
0:10:39 > 0:10:44that, Barbara?I'd say I think it's really great for the first time ever
0:10:44 > 0:10:47the thousands of members we have in the Labour Party were able to have a
0:10:47 > 0:10:54say on who was going to be part of the National Executive Committee. In
0:10:54 > 0:10:59regards to Anne Black and the chair she has done a wonderful job in
0:10:59 > 0:11:05representing the Labour Party. I have been part of organisations
0:11:05 > 0:11:08where someone has been elected a chair of the committee I think the
0:11:08 > 0:11:13new Chair will do a great job. It's about us coming together and
0:11:13 > 0:11:16transforming this country for the better, like you said Liz.You
0:11:16 > 0:11:22replaced someone on the left of the party who wasn't a Corbynista with
0:11:22 > 0:11:29somebody who is a Corbynista. Is that the aim?No.Is that the aim to
0:11:29 > 0:11:33put like minded people into top positions.It's about giving other
0:11:33 > 0:11:36people an opportunity to serve the Labour Party. Like I said, Anne
0:11:36 > 0:11:41Black has done a terrific job and I'm sure Christine will do a
0:11:41 > 0:11:44terrific job. It's an opportunity for other expertise, with confidence
0:11:44 > 0:11:47and passion who want to be part of the Labour Party to serve the
0:11:47 > 0:11:51members of the Labour Party.It was a hard line momentum member that
0:11:51 > 0:11:57replaced her?Christine is a great representative. She's a member of
0:11:57 > 0:12:03the Labour Party and member of the Labour Party. Like you said, chairs
0:12:03 > 0:12:06change hands at different times. Loads of people leave. There are
0:12:06 > 0:12:11reshuffles and stuff like that. Again, Anne Black did a great job
0:12:11 > 0:12:15serving the party -Let us move on. Most people don't know who Ann Black
0:12:15 > 0:12:21is. Should MPs undergo an automatic reselection process?In terms of
0:12:21 > 0:12:28selection to become MPs the Labour Party rules haven't changed. From
0:12:28 > 0:12:33what I've heard Jeremy or anybody I know isn't advocating -Should
0:12:33 > 0:12:37existing Labour MPs before the next election go through a reselect
0:12:37 > 0:12:42process?That is the process for the Labour Party.There is already a
0:12:42 > 0:12:45process which is your branches have to decide whether you will carry on
0:12:45 > 0:12:51being an MP. If more than half say, no, you have to go through that it's
0:12:51 > 0:12:54really important that we don't get distracted with changing all of
0:12:54 > 0:13:00that.Of course.I think that will be a real disaster. Democracy is
0:13:00 > 0:13:03about Labour members having their views heard. I really hope that
0:13:03 > 0:13:07happens on Europe, by the way. Where the vast ha yort of Labour members
0:13:07 > 0:13:12would like us to stay in the single market and customs union. Democracy
0:13:12 > 0:13:15is about respecting different views. We have always been a broad church
0:13:15 > 0:13:21and that has got to remain.
0:13:21 > 0:13:26Should Liz Kendall have to go through reselection?She has
0:13:26 > 0:13:30explained how the rules work and a lot of the conversation we are
0:13:30 > 0:13:34having about people who do not believe MPs are maybe acting or
0:13:34 > 0:13:40voting and taking up issues in their interest and I would say those
0:13:40 > 0:13:45individuals, constituency Labour Party should discuss with the MPs.
0:13:45 > 0:13:52Just like Liz described there is a process. If half of people want to
0:13:52 > 0:13:56carry on and if not it will trigger a process that is the process we
0:13:56 > 0:14:02will continue to have and I think it is fair.Is the political tide
0:14:02 > 0:14:06running in Jeremy Corbyn's direction.It has run in his
0:14:06 > 0:14:11direction and from now on I think it will not run in his direction
0:14:11 > 0:14:15because if the government makes it another three, four years it will
0:14:15 > 0:14:19run considerably against him, he will have gone past his peak. I
0:14:19 > 0:14:24think the government has the better chance that appeared the case at the
0:14:24 > 0:14:28beginning to survive a long period, if only because the Ulster Unionists
0:14:28 > 0:14:34will not want to put in a person they see as an IRA sympathiser.If
0:14:34 > 0:14:41against the odds this parliament runs until 2022, which nobody last
0:14:41 > 0:14:46year thought there was a chance of doing, now some people are saying
0:14:46 > 0:14:52maybe it will stumble through. In your view should Jeremy Corbyn, who
0:14:52 > 0:14:59would then be 73, should he lead the Labour Party into that election?Are
0:14:59 > 0:15:03we asking if he is still competent in policies he put over or just
0:15:03 > 0:15:09talking about his age? I do not know what his age has to do with it.Not
0:15:09 > 0:15:17one has stood to be British Prime Minister at the age.We did not
0:15:17 > 0:15:20think we would leave the European Union but there we are.If it takes
0:15:20 > 0:15:26awhile to get to the next election, Mr Corbyn is the man to lead you
0:15:26 > 0:15:30into that election?Of course, if he is still leader and the majority of
0:15:30 > 0:15:34membership support him I do not see why not and I do not see what his
0:15:34 > 0:15:38age has to do with anything. It is the vision of the country we are
0:15:38 > 0:15:46trying to create is the key thing. What will stop Momentum to extend in
0:15:46 > 0:15:54the Labour Party?Understanding if we want to win our focus should be
0:15:54 > 0:16:02on the public. I was talking earlier about parts of the country, rural
0:16:02 > 0:16:06areas, post-industrial towns, where we saw a swing towards the Tories
0:16:06 > 0:16:10and away from Labour, our traditional heartland and I think it
0:16:10 > 0:16:18is important...They think they are in tune. They think they are more
0:16:18 > 0:16:21representative now of Labour voters, particularly younger ones, the new.
0:16:21 > 0:16:30My experience of new members in my own patch is they understand we have
0:16:30 > 0:16:36a huge task in those areas, traditionally low turnout, and also
0:16:36 > 0:16:40who are concerned about the direction of the country. I am not
0:16:40 > 0:16:45yet convinced we have the right answers. I think that has got to be
0:16:45 > 0:16:54our focus. Not about these internal battles.I would say we can do two
0:16:54 > 0:16:58things at the same time. Strengthening democracy so members
0:16:58 > 0:17:03have the say in a party is important because you want people who have
0:17:03 > 0:17:07given up time and energy and I get e-mails about getting involved in
0:17:07 > 0:17:11something and doing something for the Labour Party, they should be
0:17:11 > 0:17:16able to have a say. Momentum galvanises people to turn up and
0:17:16 > 0:17:22campus for candidates and help and support and we are the army on the
0:17:22 > 0:17:27ground and that is important.I think all of this is really good
0:17:27 > 0:17:33news from a Conservative point of view. It would be easy to portray
0:17:33 > 0:17:37Momentum as a sinister organisation that has taken over the Labour
0:17:37 > 0:17:44Party.I do not think that is true. It is sinister because it imposes a
0:17:44 > 0:17:49single view of what it is. If you listen to Barbara talking about
0:17:49 > 0:17:53democracy she talks about a self appointed group who have made
0:17:53 > 0:17:57themselves Labour Party members and that is not democracy, democracy is
0:17:57 > 0:18:00the 60 million people in this country and the more Barbara
0:18:00 > 0:18:05convinces herself that democracy is people who have paid £3 to be
0:18:05 > 0:18:09members of the Labour Party the happier I am because democracy is
0:18:09 > 0:18:13something quite different. When we get to a general election there is a
0:18:13 > 0:18:19difference between what you think is democracy, which is 500,000 people,
0:18:19 > 0:18:26and the millions of votes needed to win an election.
0:18:26 > 0:18:30win an election.You did a lot better than mainstream opinion
0:18:30 > 0:18:34thought in the last election.In circumstances where people thought
0:18:34 > 0:18:38Jeremy Corbyn would be trounced. At the next election they will be aware
0:18:38 > 0:18:46Jeremy Corbyn may win and that is a terrific advantage to...That is
0:18:46 > 0:18:49lighting fire under the feet. We will work harder and more people
0:18:49 > 0:18:56will come out in campus.Mobilising members is essential but we have to
0:18:56 > 0:19:03look at those places that we lost where the swing went against us. I
0:19:03 > 0:19:10am very pleased we have so more... Why would the Momentum message
0:19:10 > 0:19:16resonate with these areas?In some of those traditional areas people
0:19:16 > 0:19:21are still worried, can they trust us with their money, taxes, national
0:19:21 > 0:19:28security? That they want to know we believe in success and aspiration,
0:19:28 > 0:19:34that we would be strong on defence, those are issues I picked up in some
0:19:34 > 0:19:38parts of my constituency that are reflected in those towns,
0:19:38 > 0:19:43post-industrial small towns we need to win back.A final word in
0:19:43 > 0:19:48response. Jeremy has gone a long way of winning people back. The
0:19:48 > 0:19:53manifesto is the start. You talk about the Hartland post-industrial
0:19:53 > 0:19:57places, asked leaving Europe will have a massive impact almost people
0:19:57 > 0:20:00and in relation to the economy Jeremy has proven we can be trusted
0:20:00 > 0:20:06and we put a great manifesto forward people voted for that. It is pass
0:20:06 > 0:20:11and party members going out and making the case in convincing people
0:20:11 > 0:20:15Labour is better for this country than the Conservatives.Thank you.
0:20:15 > 0:20:16Now it's late.
0:20:16 > 0:20:17Desmond Swayne late.
0:20:17 > 0:20:20Shhhh!
0:20:20 > 0:20:22The New Forest West MP says he is "embarrassed" and "annoyed"
0:20:22 > 0:20:25with himself for nodding off during a Ken Clarke speech.
0:20:25 > 0:20:26Dessie, my man, don't fret.
0:20:26 > 0:20:30It's happened to the best of us.
0:20:30 > 0:20:33Even Ken Clarke's fallen asleep in the middle of his speeches.
0:20:33 > 0:20:36So, now you're suitably refreshed, stay with us Des because comedian
0:20:36 > 0:20:38and writer Matt Forde will be putting political stunts
0:20:38 > 0:20:42in the Spotlight.
0:20:42 > 0:20:46And if, dear viewer, we've roused you out
0:20:46 > 0:20:49of your Blue Nun stupor and you feel like contacting us on the Tweeter,
0:20:49 > 0:20:50the Fleecebook and the Snapnumpty,
0:20:50 > 0:20:53well have another snooze and it'll soon pass.
0:20:53 > 0:20:56Because frankly, your messages are about as welcome as Ukip leader
0:20:56 > 0:21:02Henry Bolton at a convention of the Meghan Markle Fan Club.
0:21:02 > 0:21:05Now, embarrassing as it is to admit, but I have to confess we may have
0:21:05 > 0:21:06overstretched ourselves.
0:21:06 > 0:21:09Waffling on about politics we can just about manage,
0:21:09 > 0:21:14but taking on those contracts to scrub the loos in the Commons,
0:21:14 > 0:21:17dry-clean Michael's 300 green and pink silk shirts and to build
0:21:17 > 0:21:20a new shoe locker for the Maybot's kitten heels -
0:21:20 > 0:21:23well, it's all just too much.
0:21:23 > 0:21:25And the blunt truth is - we've gone bust.
0:21:25 > 0:21:28So, while I supplement our meagre income trying to pick a winner
0:21:28 > 0:21:30in the 4.30 at Aintree, here's June Sarpong
0:21:30 > 0:21:32with a round-up of the week.
0:21:32 > 0:21:40with a round-up of the week.
0:21:42 > 0:21:46I am here, you wanted me for the round-up? Hello, hello. Where is
0:21:46 > 0:21:51everyone?
0:21:54 > 0:22:01everyone? Hello? Yes, it is June. What do you mean no one is coming
0:22:01 > 0:22:10in? This week's contract has collapsed. What about my rider? I
0:22:10 > 0:22:21will have to do this myself.
0:22:22 > 0:22:26This week construction giant Carillion went into liquidation
0:22:26 > 0:22:32leaving 20,000 jobs at risk and racking up £1.5 billion in debt. The
0:22:32 > 0:22:37government refused to bail out. In spite of this the Environment
0:22:37 > 0:22:42Secretary Michael Gove did not sound the death knell for PFI contracts.
0:22:42 > 0:22:50With a National Audit Office report showing PFI contracts will cost the
0:22:50 > 0:22:55taxpayer billions over the next decades.Look at the specific
0:22:55 > 0:22:59circumstances of this company's operation. Our heart goes out to the
0:22:59 > 0:23:05people employed by Carillion.Jeremy Corbyn spotted the opportunity to
0:23:05 > 0:23:09bang the drum for nationalisation and criticise the government to
0:23:09 > 0:23:14continue to offer the firm contracts.We need our public
0:23:14 > 0:23:19services provided by public employees with a public service
0:23:19 > 0:23:26ethos and stronger public oversight. As the ruins of Carillion lie around
0:23:26 > 0:23:30her, will the Prime Minister act to end this costly racket of the
0:23:30 > 0:23:37relationship between government and some of these companies?But Theresa
0:23:37 > 0:23:42May hit back with condemnation of Labour's approach to business.What
0:23:42 > 0:23:48Labour opposes not just a role for private companies in public services
0:23:48 > 0:23:53but the private sector as a whole, the majority of people in this
0:23:53 > 0:23:58country in employment are employed by the private sector. The Shadow
0:23:58 > 0:24:09Chancellor calls businesses the real enemy.
0:24:10 > 0:24:17At least somebody was sure of a helping hand with Corbyn's position
0:24:17 > 0:24:22shored up with three of the hard left on the NEC including the
0:24:22 > 0:24:30momentum chief. Could somebody help me with this film?I have dreamt for
0:24:30 > 0:24:33members led Labour Party and I hope that is what we will get.It looks
0:24:33 > 0:24:42like I am on my own them. Also out in the cold, a moderate -- aren't
0:24:42 > 0:24:46Modric Labour MPs with call for deselection is hotting up. There are
0:24:46 > 0:24:52jobs going at This Week if anybody is interested -- with moderate
0:24:52 > 0:25:00Labour MPs.I want once in every five years to have it hanging over
0:25:00 > 0:25:04every lawmaker they could be reselected if they do not do their
0:25:04 > 0:25:09job properly.Jeremy Corbyn may revel in his success at the NEC but
0:25:09 > 0:25:13caused consternation over claims that Brexit may not allow for
0:25:13 > 0:25:19continued membership of the single market.Do we have a trading
0:25:19 > 0:25:23relationship with Europe which is tariff free and based on access to
0:25:23 > 0:25:29that market and access of Europe to our market? Yes. Do we push that?
0:25:29 > 0:25:37Yes. Is that what we have said to the European in opposition?Yes.
0:25:37 > 0:25:42Shadow Brexit Minister Jenny Chapman could not clear up the confusion.
0:25:42 > 0:25:45People are capable of getting their heads around this. We want the
0:25:45 > 0:25:53benefits of the single market but we are uneasy about accepting all of
0:25:53 > 0:26:02the...Hang on, you are criticising...?
0:26:03 > 0:26:05criticising...? Someone other than me wanting to return to business as
0:26:05 > 0:26:09usual is Donald Tusk, who reiterated his calls for Britain to remain in
0:26:09 > 0:26:17the EU.Was it David Davis who said if a democracy cannot change its
0:26:17 > 0:26:25mind, it ceases to be a democracy? We on the continent have not had a
0:26:25 > 0:26:32change of heart. Our hearts are open.His words fell on deaf ears
0:26:32 > 0:26:40among Brexiteers, like veteran Europhile Ken Clarke.I address some
0:26:40 > 0:26:45of them in committee and well put today but I am astonished we have
0:26:45 > 0:26:49got to report without actually having as yet an adequate response
0:26:49 > 0:26:58to any of them.Now to spruce up the place we need a bit of class,
0:26:58 > 0:27:03something with history behind it, and I do not just mean Michael.
0:27:03 > 0:27:10Perhaps we could
0:27:10 > 0:27:12Perhaps we could borrow the Bayeux tapestry, but it would be costly
0:27:12 > 0:27:16with Macron wanting Britain to speed up accepting migrants currently on
0:27:16 > 0:27:22French soil but eligible to seek asylum in the UK and also to spend
0:27:22 > 0:27:30an extra £44.5 million on beefing up channel border security.
0:27:30 > 0:27:34TRANSLATION:We need diplomacy and to build peace to that effect and we
0:27:34 > 0:27:43will be doing it so we are somehow making a new tapestry together.Also
0:27:43 > 0:27:47struggling to move the story on is Ukip leader Henry Bolton who had to
0:27:47 > 0:27:52choose between love and politics when his short lived relationship
0:27:52 > 0:27:56with glamour model Jo Marney came to an end after she was found to have
0:27:56 > 0:28:05sent racist text messages.As of last night the romantic element of
0:28:05 > 0:28:10the relationship is over. I have no intention of resigning and people
0:28:10 > 0:28:13calling for my resignation have been at some time working to undermine
0:28:13 > 0:28:18the leadership of the party in any case.The Ukip leader show must go
0:28:18 > 0:28:24one, as must this one. I am exhausted. Putting this shambles of
0:28:24 > 0:28:28a programme together is more complicated than it looks. I think I
0:28:28 > 0:28:33will have a rest.
0:28:33 > 0:28:39June is probably in bed, we are still working. Michael, as the
0:28:39 > 0:28:44private provision of public services had its day?No, but public-private
0:28:44 > 0:28:48partnerships had, which is different. There is no reason the
0:28:48 > 0:28:53government should not contract with private people and pay them but what
0:28:53 > 0:28:56was happening in public-private partnerships and under Tony Blair
0:28:56 > 0:29:01and Gordon Brown was we were trying to have today something we would pay
0:29:01 > 0:29:09for tomorrow. The irony of Labour's criticism of PFI, is Jeremy Corbyn's
0:29:09 > 0:29:14policy is generally the same, by borrowing, we will have today which
0:29:14 > 0:29:22people tomorrow have to pay for so theideology is the same. PFI grew
0:29:22 > 0:29:25under Tony Blair and Gordon Brown, although it started under John
0:29:25 > 0:29:32Major. It increased when Gordon Brown was in the Treasury and Jeremy
0:29:32 > 0:29:37Corbyn was always against it and he now feels vindicated. Another for
0:29:37 > 0:29:40him unravelling of new Labour.
0:29:40 > 0:29:51I think that's right. I agree with Michael. It's like - we said would
0:29:51 > 0:29:54use PFI for our schools and hospitals and have you to pay for
0:29:54 > 0:29:59it. The cost have gone up. I have no problem with the private-sector
0:29:59 > 0:30:01building our roads and the buildings. Building our hospitals
0:30:01 > 0:30:07and schools.That is what Carillion was doing of course.Those were the
0:30:07 > 0:30:13projects that caused -That undermined it.Caused it collapse.
0:30:13 > 0:30:18We needed to rethink how to do this. We need more transparency in the
0:30:18 > 0:30:23system. Better skills in the civil service. We have these companies too
0:30:23 > 0:30:28big to fail. We need decent ethical standards. This is a crisis I think
0:30:28 > 0:30:32for the public sector, for the state, but also the private-sector.
0:30:32 > 0:30:35What was happening with the corporate governance of that
0:30:35 > 0:30:39organisation. Quite frankly we've seen it before with unethical
0:30:39 > 0:30:44behaviour.It wasn't too big to fail though in the end, was it? It's
0:30:44 > 0:30:51failed. It's gone bust. It I saw someone say, this is the
0:30:51 > 0:30:55privatisation of gain and the socialisation of profit. Actually
0:30:55 > 0:31:00the shareholders have been wiped out. They have lost everything and
0:31:00 > 0:31:05the creditors will be lucky to get 1p in the £1.We will be interesting
0:31:05 > 0:31:14to see what happens to the senior employees. The public wants to see
0:31:14 > 0:31:18the senior employees ruined.The liquidator has been told to
0:31:18 > 0:31:21investigate that. There will is a question mark that comes back to
0:31:21 > 0:31:27corporate governance.I won't mind making a bet that they won't.That
0:31:27 > 0:31:30is could be a point because we are waiting to see what happens with
0:31:30 > 0:31:38BHS. When dividends can be increased year after year and bonuses too
0:31:38 > 0:31:43there is a £600 million hole in the pension pot.Absolutely. The
0:31:43 > 0:31:47Government is saying the taxpayer isn't going to pay. We don't know
0:31:47 > 0:31:51yet. We don't know what will happen on pensions. What I would say here,
0:31:51 > 0:31:57Andrew, is. I think that we need to change the way that we do this, but
0:31:57 > 0:32:04I don't want to see... If I think about getting a flu jab as an an
0:32:04 > 0:32:10older person there is nothing wrong with going to the far I to get it.
0:32:10 > 0:32:14We shouldn't have a blanket ban on examples like that. You have to put
0:32:14 > 0:32:20the needs of the user first. It's a wake-up call for the state, but also
0:32:20 > 0:32:24the private-sector. Quite frankly, capitalism has to save itself. If
0:32:24 > 0:32:28you believe in a market economy, that has to work. It hasn't happened
0:32:28 > 0:32:33this time.It hasn't. The end of the consensus for sure that was around
0:32:33 > 0:32:39PFI. That's gone. We don't know what will replace it yet. Michael, has a
0:32:39 > 0:32:44new era in Anglo-French relations broken out today?No. But I think
0:32:44 > 0:32:49what's happened today is, you know, broadly encouraging. I think what's
0:32:49 > 0:32:52been done about the border is sensible. Just think about the
0:32:52 > 0:33:05border for a moment. Thank goodness, not only did we never join
0:33:05 > 0:33:08not only did we never join the the body when you can move around
0:33:08 > 0:33:14without a passport. We have kept that immigration problem abay. It's
0:33:14 > 0:33:18been a miracle that the French have been willing to allow asylum
0:33:18 > 0:33:22applications to be processed in France. That's a miracle.Mr Macron
0:33:22 > 0:33:28said he was going to tear up the Le Touquet Treaty and has replaced it
0:33:28 > 0:33:34with what he's calling the Sandhurst Treaty all for £44 million.The
0:33:34 > 0:33:38biggest bargain that we have ever bought. At the same time, the
0:33:38 > 0:33:43Frenchman who has been given the task of attracting business away
0:33:43 > 0:33:46from the City of London has made a very interesting statement. I think
0:33:46 > 0:33:50it's just a statement of common sense, that the City of London will
0:33:50 > 0:33:56go on being the predominant financial market in Europe after
0:33:56 > 0:34:01we've left the European Union.We are giving Calais £44 million, all
0:34:01 > 0:34:07we got back was as tatty old tapestry.I'm excited to see it.So
0:34:07 > 0:34:14am I. It was a bad joke. At thes it is quite exciting. There is an
0:34:14 > 0:34:22excellent replica in Reading. I don't know why it's in Reading. It
0:34:22 > 0:34:29seemed significant in it that
0:34:31 > 0:34:34seemed significant in it that it could be bilateral relations. Macron
0:34:34 > 0:34:37and May talked about military co-operation, the five intelligence
0:34:37 > 0:34:42chiefs of Britain met the five intelligence chiefs of France. Again
0:34:42 > 0:34:47about - our intelligence and French intelligence has never been closer.
0:34:47 > 0:34:52The French are embedded half a mile frl here in MI6 now almost on a
0:34:52 > 0:34:58permanent basis. You began to see a bilateral relationship. Liz.That
0:34:58 > 0:35:04may well be right. I think Macron doesn't want to wait for anybody. He
0:35:04 > 0:35:09wants to shape the world around him. My sense from this meeting, I have
0:35:09 > 0:35:13to say, was how much Macron puts himself out there as a world player
0:35:13 > 0:35:20and how I worry that we aren't now. That we know longer - whenever have
0:35:20 > 0:35:26you seen Theresa May go out to China all the things that Macron's doing.
0:35:26 > 0:35:32He wants to shape, let me say this. Chinooks in Africa.He wants to
0:35:32 > 0:35:38shape the world. It's not just the deal around Calais and migration. He
0:35:38 > 0:35:41rightly said, we have to work with other countries to deal with the
0:35:41 > 0:35:44root course causes -The point today was that he wants Britain to be an
0:35:44 > 0:35:48ally in the shaping of the world because when it comes to pro general
0:35:48 > 0:35:52election of force or intelligence, the Germans aren't in the same
0:35:52 > 0:35:56league.That's right.As the British.A happy coincidence of
0:35:56 > 0:36:00objectives here. The British are desperate to show that they can have
0:36:00 > 0:36:05goodbye lateral relationships after Brexit. The French are determined to
0:36:05 > 0:36:09do anything military which is outside Nato and which in fact has
0:36:09 > 0:36:13the tendency to undermine Nato. That has always been the French game. Now
0:36:13 > 0:36:18the British need to be very careful of we can go so far with the French,
0:36:18 > 0:36:22we must not undermine Nato. Why, Nato carries with it the United
0:36:22 > 0:36:30States.The one point you haven't said, he quite clearly would like us
0:36:30 > 0:36:34to keep that option of us being part of the single market on the table.
0:36:34 > 0:36:39He saw Britain -He saw that as an He is a option.Reformer too.Before
0:36:39 > 0:36:50we go. Yes or no. Is Ukip heading for the knackers yardThe underlying
0:36:50 > 0:36:57issues they tapped into are still there.So not.Yes.One for and one
0:36:57 > 0:37:03against. I don't know if Ukip will take comfort from that or not.
0:37:03 > 0:37:04Now, we're having a party.
0:37:04 > 0:37:06To celebrate our 15th anniversary of broadcasting some
0:37:06 > 0:37:08of the worst public-service TV in the BBC's history.
0:37:08 > 0:37:10How can we afford such extravagance, I hear you ask.
0:37:10 > 0:37:12Well, we've hacked into the DG's Cayman Island's
0:37:12 > 0:37:17account and emptied it.
0:37:17 > 0:37:20Since there wasn't a lot in it, we can only afford a location
0:37:20 > 0:37:21south of the river.
0:37:21 > 0:37:24But look on the bright side, it means Donald Trump won't be coming.
0:37:24 > 0:37:27There's room for 120 lucky - or do I mean plucky - viewers.
0:37:27 > 0:37:31To try for a place follow the link on the BBC This Week inter web site
0:37:31 > 0:37:33or you can use Fleecebook and the Tweeter.
0:37:33 > 0:37:37Tell us in two sentences why you want to come and if you make us
0:37:37 > 0:37:40laugh or cry you'll get the tickets.
0:37:40 > 0:37:43It should be a night of fun, puns and Blue Nun.
0:37:43 > 0:37:45And the star of the show, Molly the Dog, is flying
0:37:45 > 0:37:48in by private jet from Nice just to be with us.
0:37:48 > 0:37:50How could you miss that?
0:37:50 > 0:37:54Oh for the days when you could get one over on the cheese-eating
0:37:54 > 0:37:59surrender monkeys by sending a bunch of burly archers with anger
0:37:59 > 0:38:02management issues on a long stag weekend to Agincourt.
0:38:02 > 0:38:07Nowadays we're reduced to stuffing the pockets
0:38:07 > 0:38:10of the Calais Border Force with £45 million and trying to look
0:38:10 > 0:38:16grateful because we got an ancient tatty tapestry in return.
0:38:17 > 0:38:19Just a joke, Liz.
0:38:19 > 0:38:21Or projecting luminous expletives on the humble hotel of our favourite
0:38:21 > 0:38:23genius president and pretending it's a revolutionary act.
0:38:23 > 0:38:25All good fun and games, I suppose.
0:38:25 > 0:38:26Or is it?
0:38:26 > 0:38:27Good question.
0:38:27 > 0:38:35So we're putting political stunts in this week's Spotlight.
0:38:50 > 0:38:52Politicians love a stunt, but maybe not when it backfires.
0:38:52 > 0:38:57Oh.
0:38:57 > 0:38:58Little red book...
0:38:58 > 0:39:05Gold medal.
0:39:05 > 0:39:07Or when they're the target.
0:39:07 > 0:39:08Oh, careful.
0:39:08 > 0:39:12Stick one on him.
0:39:12 > 0:39:15Boris, job done there.
0:39:15 > 0:39:18Is it possible to snatch a moral victory from the jaws
0:39:18 > 0:39:19of public humiliation?
0:39:19 > 0:39:22As the former...
0:39:22 > 0:39:27Well, the London Mayor gave it a go on Saturday.
0:39:27 > 0:39:30We were distracted by the actions of what some would call
0:39:30 > 0:39:31very stable geniuses.
0:39:31 > 0:39:35But is this very stable genius now the master of the political stunt?
0:39:35 > 0:39:40Well apparently those tweets are carefully crafted.
0:39:40 > 0:39:43When he's saying this his button is bigger than the other guys
0:39:43 > 0:39:44button, it's a joke.
0:39:44 > 0:39:47So does the Donald anticipate that his social media capers might
0:39:47 > 0:39:51provoke a prank in response.
0:39:51 > 0:39:52Got any statement to make, Mr President?
0:39:52 > 0:39:55Well after the week he's had, maybe the President's getting
0:39:55 > 0:39:57used to the backlash.
0:39:57 > 0:39:58Shitholes.
0:39:58 > 0:40:06The exact word used by the President.
0:40:06 > 0:40:07Emmanuel Macron's medieval charm offensive impressed
0:40:07 > 0:40:08the Prime Minister on Tuesday.
0:40:08 > 0:40:10It is very significant that the Bayeux Tapestry
0:40:10 > 0:40:18is going to be coming to the United Kingdom.
0:40:20 > 0:40:22But is he taking the mick anticipating French victory
0:40:22 > 0:40:24in the battle of Brexit?
0:40:24 > 0:40:27Either way the Europeans think they can see through Mrs May stunts.
0:40:27 > 0:40:29Prime Minister May announced that after Brexit Britain would return
0:40:29 > 0:40:31to the blue passport.
0:40:31 > 0:40:33The whole story is a scam.
0:40:33 > 0:40:36EU law does not say anything about passport colours.
0:40:36 > 0:40:39Or is everyone being bamboozled by North Korea's display of unity.
0:40:39 > 0:40:43We should not be naive about their intent.
0:40:43 > 0:40:50Nor should we be blinded by North Korea's charm offensive.
0:40:50 > 0:40:52Matt Ford thinks every politician is a stunt man.
0:40:52 > 0:40:57Does it degrade public office?
0:40:57 > 0:41:01Pulling no political stunts to get here, Matt Forde is on our sofa.
0:41:01 > 0:41:06Welcome back to the programme. Pleasure to be here.Are any
0:41:06 > 0:41:09political stunts effective or do they always backfire?Some of them
0:41:09 > 0:41:15can be highly effective. It's a way of lodging an image in the public
0:41:15 > 0:41:20brain that perhaps words on play paper or plain audio doesn't do. The
0:41:20 > 0:41:24referendum campaign the bus with £350 million on the side of it.It
0:41:24 > 0:41:31was a stunt. It's probably the symbol of the referendum.Most
0:41:31 > 0:41:36famous political vehicle in my lifetime apart from Harriet's Pink
0:41:36 > 0:41:41Bus.Indeed.You have to be careful. I worked for the Labour Party for
0:41:41 > 0:41:46many years and came up with and was charged with carrying out some of
0:41:46 > 0:41:51these stunts. We had a by-election in Northampton, I don't remember the
0:41:51 > 0:41:57week when Tony Blair had cleaned graffiti, about the Respect Agenda.
0:41:57 > 0:42:04Any local by-elections you get your candidate out scrubbing gra feet
0:42:04 > 0:42:11iffy. The press officer said, get a bucket and a mop, scrum it off. I
0:42:11 > 0:42:14realised we didn't have water. Northampton is not sounding a great
0:42:14 > 0:42:22place at the moment.I went to Waitrose and bought eight pints of
0:42:22 > 0:42:29Evian. I mixed it with Ajax, the local reporter saw me do this. The
0:42:29 > 0:42:33story wasn't that we removed graffiti. It probably didn't need
0:42:33 > 0:42:39removed. It was
0:42:40 > 0:42:46removed. It was that some Labour flunky who bought Evian.I want to
0:42:46 > 0:42:50apologise to the people of Northampton about this unprovoked
0:42:50 > 0:43:03attack on their city by Mr Ford. The P45 stunt with Mrs May. That pro
0:43:03 > 0:43:07general election there. The egging of Mr Press rot and so on. That's
0:43:07 > 0:43:12not good for a political debate these sort of things?There is a
0:43:12 > 0:43:19line. Never make a the person a victim. When you get Nick Griffin, o
0:43:19 > 0:43:24most people in pilot society is reprehencible, when the egg lands on
0:43:24 > 0:43:30his head you think, that's gone far too far.
0:43:30 > 0:43:39Can John Major and Ed Miliband were egged. Anything that's too
0:43:39 > 0:43:44disrespectful back fires. How brutal it looked in print. It's a word that
0:43:44 > 0:43:49people use now, back then it it felt a step too far. You do have to be
0:43:49 > 0:43:55careful. The public, there is a natural sense of fair play.They are
0:43:55 > 0:44:00also not true. When Blair and Brown had the ice creams. Everyone knew
0:44:00 > 0:44:07they weren't get getting on at that point. It only works... I remember
0:44:07 > 0:44:14when Blair did
0:44:15 > 0:44:19when Blair did his keepiy uppies and Margaret Thatcher did her basket of
0:44:19 > 0:44:22goods the groccer daughter. Something of a lamb as well.They
0:44:22 > 0:44:29lack the scale of the political stunts of the past. Lord Palmerston
0:44:29 > 0:44:36sent a gun boat to rescue someone. Winston Churchill appeared at the
0:44:36 > 0:44:40siege of Sydney Street wearing a top hat and carrying a revolver. A
0:44:40 > 0:44:43loaded revolver.Yes.Our politicians really do have to rise
0:44:43 > 0:44:46to the standards that were set in the past by these great men.
0:44:52 > 0:44:56look at a stunt must not turn someone into a victim because that
0:44:56 > 0:45:01turns off voters, I take your point but a good stunt can attract people.
0:45:01 > 0:45:06The last few years, it did not get much coverage but when the SNP sat
0:45:06 > 0:45:10on the Labour benches in the Commons, it was immature and
0:45:10 > 0:45:17provocative but a funny moment and what the SNP has been good at is
0:45:17 > 0:45:21weaponising Parliamentary attendance. Taking screen grabs of
0:45:21 > 0:45:24Parliament. Often these things are manipulated that saying we are in
0:45:24 > 0:45:31the chamber and other MPs are not. When on earth have the British
0:45:31 > 0:45:36public cared about their MPs in the chamber. It was an large in a
0:45:36 > 0:45:40different direction.You can see the initiative with these. And it was a
0:45:40 > 0:45:46symbol of them saying we are the real opposition.And they had a
0:45:46 > 0:45:50poster with tartan benches. Photoshopping the benches with a
0:45:50 > 0:46:00tartan effect.Do you have a favourite? I liked when the pasty
0:46:00 > 0:46:03tax came out and I thought thank goodness it is not me, when they
0:46:03 > 0:46:08were eating the pasties because they would say you have never eaten a
0:46:08 > 0:46:12pasty in your life.Margaret Thatcher on top of the tank,
0:46:12 > 0:46:19brilliant. It was translated into Spitting Image, and the people who
0:46:19 > 0:46:23made it thought it was damaging to her but it was brilliant.Because it
0:46:23 > 0:46:30made her out to be the only real man in the Cabinet!What are you up to?
0:46:30 > 0:46:37I have a TV show, serious four. It starts a week on Sunday on Dave.We
0:46:37 > 0:46:39thank you for your time.
0:46:39 > 0:46:41So that's your lot for tonight, folks, but not for us.
0:46:41 > 0:46:43We're off to Loulou's to celebrate its selection
0:46:43 > 0:46:47as the new home of the Bayeux Tapestry.
0:46:47 > 0:46:50Michael's taking his stepladder and tool box and he's going to pin
0:46:50 > 0:46:53it around the bar wall, next to his Battle of Britain
0:46:53 > 0:46:56mural and his framed Union Jack underpants,
0:46:56 > 0:46:59signed by Mrs T, natch.
0:46:59 > 0:47:04As for me, I'm keeping away from the dartboard.
0:47:04 > 0:47:07Last time Liz had the darts she was on the oche
0:47:07 > 0:47:08and almost took my eye out.
0:47:08 > 0:47:11Which came as a surprise since I was standing behind her.
0:47:11 > 0:47:12Nighty-night.
0:47:12 > 0:47:20Don't let the new fine art doppleganger app bite.
0:47:51 > 0:47:59MUSIC: Me, Myself and I.