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0:00:11 > 0:00:17Tonight on this week, quick, call the midwife, something momentous is

0:00:17 > 0:00:23about to happen.

0:00:23 > 0:00:26about to happen. Giles Brandreth, are you free?Yes, I'm on the case

0:00:26 > 0:00:31Andrew, but don't expect a trouble free round-up this week, this

0:00:31 > 0:00:33delivery's proving pretty complicated. Never seen anything

0:00:33 > 0:00:38quite like it.I wouldn't bank on that baby's future. Mind you,

0:00:38 > 0:00:44socialist father Paul Mason thinks we are all doomed, whatever our age.

0:00:44 > 0:00:47Can Davos give birth to some new thinking about capitalism?

0:00:47 > 0:00:50Can Davos give birth to some new thinking about capitalism?Maybe the

0:00:50 > 0:00:54milk of human kindness will avert disaster? Gail Porter certainly

0:00:54 > 0:01:01thinks so.Compassion, Andrew, it's sadly lacking in the world today.

0:01:01 > 0:01:13I know, life's tough, but don't panic. Breathe in, breathe out. Blue

0:01:13 > 0:01:19Nun, hot towels and earplugs at the ready, another one is about to pop.

0:01:20 > 0:01:22Evenin' all.

0:01:22 > 0:01:23Welcome to This Week.

0:01:23 > 0:01:27And, as we come on air, the PM has announced that,

0:01:27 > 0:01:28though she will not oblige Boris Johnson by stumping up

0:01:28 > 0:01:31more dosh for the NHS, she has decided to finance his idea

0:01:31 > 0:01:34of a bridge over the Channel - provided he uses

0:01:34 > 0:01:39Carillion to build it.

0:01:39 > 0:01:43That way, said the PM's spokesman, the Boris Bridge will become one

0:01:43 > 0:01:47of the Foreign Secretary's great infrastructure legacies,

0:01:47 > 0:01:51along with Boris Island Airport on the Thames Estuary,

0:01:51 > 0:01:57the Garden Bridge across the Thames in Central London and not forgetting

0:01:57 > 0:01:59the Hanging Gardens of Babylon, created by Boris during

0:01:59 > 0:02:03a gap year at Eton.

0:02:03 > 0:02:07On a personal note, I joined Ukip this morning.

0:02:07 > 0:02:10By mid-afternoon I was leader.

0:02:10 > 0:02:12By early evening efforts had begun to depose me.

0:02:12 > 0:02:15But I'm hanging in.

0:02:15 > 0:02:18If I can survive til the weekend I'll be the longest serving Ukip

0:02:18 > 0:02:22leader since St Nigel of Farage.

0:02:22 > 0:02:25And news is reaching us from Davos that President Trump is locked up

0:02:25 > 0:02:30in his hotel suite and refusing to come out.

0:02:30 > 0:02:34Apparently he's been inconsolable since learning

0:02:34 > 0:02:38that the Liberal Democrat's declared he wasn't welcome in this country.

0:02:38 > 0:02:41The President's Men fear he might never recover from such a snub.

0:02:41 > 0:02:44"Who is Vince Cable to do this to me?"

0:02:44 > 0:02:46The President has just written in a heart-breaking tweet.

0:02:46 > 0:02:49Followed by the even more despairing, "Who is Vince Cable?"

0:02:49 > 0:02:52Speaking of those who've endured more snubs than they've had votes,

0:02:52 > 0:02:56I'm joined on the sofa tonight by two men who couldn't even get

0:02:56 > 0:02:59membership of the President's Club, that well-known group of businessmen

0:02:59 > 0:03:03committed to women's rights who stage an annual tribute

0:03:03 > 0:03:04to feminism at the Dorchester Hotel.

0:03:04 > 0:03:07In fact, the Club decided to wind itself up rather

0:03:07 > 0:03:09than let these two join.

0:03:09 > 0:03:12I speak of course of Michael #choochoo Portillo and Chuka

0:03:12 > 0:03:20#smooth operator Umuna.

0:03:20 > 0:03:25Welcome to you both. Michael, your moment of the week?The deservedly

0:03:25 > 0:03:29former Prime Minister David Cameron said in Davos that Brexit had been a

0:03:29 > 0:03:38mistake but not a disaster. He was the architect of project fear and he

0:03:38 > 0:03:42told us there would be immediate economic disaster. The interesting

0:03:42 > 0:03:48thing to me was that, of course, the remarks were caught off guard by a

0:03:48 > 0:03:52camera and a microphone he didn't realise were listening to him. He

0:03:52 > 0:03:58never appears to answer questions as to why he held this referendum. It

0:03:58 > 0:04:07plunged us into the state we are in. Whether you are pro or anti Brexit,

0:04:07 > 0:04:10this topic is still live. He walked off the field the next day. It's

0:04:10 > 0:04:16difficult to remember the cause of it all but the cause was Ukip and I

0:04:16 > 0:04:23believe they are subject for discussion.Chuka, your moment?My

0:04:23 > 0:04:29moment is very moving and an incredible speech given by Baroness

0:04:29 > 0:04:33Tessa Jowell of Brixton.A friend of this programme.She's been

0:04:33 > 0:04:39incredible to so many of us, such a mentor, she's one of the most

0:04:39 > 0:04:42kindest most genuine people in British politics and absolutely

0:04:42 > 0:04:46typical of her, as she goes through this battle with cancer, that she

0:04:46 > 0:04:52should use her own situation to campaign to improve the

0:04:52 > 0:04:56opportunities for others going through what she's going through to

0:04:56 > 0:05:03access the very best medical research trials et cetera and it's

0:05:03 > 0:05:07extraordinary. You very rarely see, in fact never see in the House of

0:05:07 > 0:05:11Lords a round of applause. She got more than that, she got a standing

0:05:11 > 0:05:15ovation of several minutes. Tessa, if you are watching, we all wish you

0:05:15 > 0:05:20well and we are right behind you.We do indeed. We say to our viewers,

0:05:20 > 0:05:24you can see this on the BBC iPlayer and YouTube. It's worth watching

0:05:24 > 0:05:28both the speech and the follow-up reaction to it from the House of

0:05:28 > 0:05:30Lords.

0:05:30 > 0:05:33Now before we go any further, a little reminder that we're having

0:05:33 > 0:05:36a party in Sarf London on the evening of March the first.

0:05:36 > 0:05:39If you'd like to come along you need to follow the instructions

0:05:39 > 0:05:40on the This Week website.

0:05:40 > 0:05:41Or the tweeter.

0:05:41 > 0:05:48We can't take all of you, so if you're thinking of applying

0:05:48 > 0:05:51pull out the stops and tell us why on earth you would

0:05:51 > 0:05:53want to come along.

0:05:53 > 0:05:55Now there was a time - during the long

0:05:55 > 0:05:57Thatcher-Major-Blair-Brown years - when it looked as if British

0:05:57 > 0:06:00socialism had been consigned to the dustbin of history,

0:06:00 > 0:06:03along with the donkey-jackets so many on the militant

0:06:03 > 0:06:05left liked to wear.

0:06:05 > 0:06:08Even a real crisis of capitalism - the Great Crash of 2008 -

0:06:08 > 0:06:10did not revive it.

0:06:10 > 0:06:13Indeed Labour was replaced by a centre-right Coalition.

0:06:13 > 0:06:16But the sclerotic recovery from that Crash, the long

0:06:16 > 0:06:20shadow of austerity, stagnant real wages

0:06:20 > 0:06:24and a new generation which doesn't see what's so great about capitalism

0:06:24 > 0:06:27when it has no capital - and of course has never been served

0:06:27 > 0:06:30a British Rail sandwich - all that has put socialism back

0:06:30 > 0:06:32on the agenda and Jezza in control of the Labour Party.

0:06:32 > 0:06:35So are we on the brink of a new Red Dawn?

0:06:35 > 0:06:43Here's Paul Mason with his Take of the Week.

0:07:02 > 0:07:09The global elite assembled at Davos have one job and that is to imagine

0:07:09 > 0:07:11how an automated indigenousical capitalism could work and for

0:07:11 > 0:07:17everybody. -- digital capitalism could work and

0:07:17 > 0:07:22for everybody. The capitalism we have got now clearly doesn't work.

0:07:22 > 0:07:29Sure you

0:07:29 > 0:07:34Sure you can print 12 trillion dollars, but rising populations and

0:07:34 > 0:07:37better education prospects are running out. Technological

0:07:37 > 0:07:41innovation, contrary to the hype isn't contributing to growth we can

0:07:41 > 0:07:49measure because its main effect is to collapse the price of everything.

0:07:55 > 0:07:59In the meantime, the global system is breaking up. It doesn't start

0:07:59 > 0:08:04with trade but with things like the Internet or different encryption

0:08:04 > 0:08:08laws or even artificial intelligence where suddenly there's an arms race.

0:08:08 > 0:08:12Meanwhile, all over the developed world, people are losing their

0:08:12 > 0:08:15belief in mainstream politics, in democratic culture and even in the

0:08:15 > 0:08:20rule of law. If all you get from rising growth is rising inequality,

0:08:20 > 0:08:24that's going to get worse. That's what's driven Donald Trump

0:08:24 > 0:08:34and what's driving support for the far right in Germany.

0:08:36 > 0:08:40They say with these Davos events you've seen one, you've seen them

0:08:40 > 0:08:45all. As one World Bank economist put it only this week, these are people

0:08:45 > 0:08:50who won't pay the living wage but will sponsor a Symphony Orchestra.

0:08:50 > 0:08:55But I can see a change. The original idea behind Davos, a kind of

0:08:55 > 0:08:58confident, Liberal Democratic capitalism has become more of a thin

0:08:58 > 0:09:02veneer and it's the crux and the autocrats and the dem dogs who're

0:09:02 > 0:09:08starting to set the agenda -- the crooks.

0:09:22 > 0:09:29The choice facing people at Davos is, find another form of capitalism

0:09:29 > 0:09:32or popular pressure is going to pull the system apart and push politics

0:09:32 > 0:09:38to the extremes a lot.

0:09:42 > 0:09:43Our thanks to Concrete Space in Shoreditch.

0:09:43 > 0:09:47Welcome Paul Mason.

0:09:47 > 0:09:53Michael, is global capitalism in crisis?No. I would put forward a

0:09:53 > 0:09:59number of facts. Communist China's adoptedical tallism, the former

0:09:59 > 0:10:02Soviet Union's adoptedical tallism. I think the only country that hasn't

0:10:02 > 0:10:07now is North Korea. The effects of it has been to make people much

0:10:07 > 0:10:11richer. The average income of the global population's doubled in the

0:10:11 > 0:10:17last ten years. There's a middle class now in India of hundreds of

0:10:17 > 0:10:23millions as there is a middle class in China of hundreds of millions.

0:10:23 > 0:10:28Capitalism is highly successful. Communism's always been associated

0:10:28 > 0:10:33with mass murder, Stalin killed 30 million. I think we do well to stick

0:10:33 > 0:10:37with capitalism. It has its ups and downs but it's very successful

0:10:37 > 0:10:43across the world.Let me respond to that before I bring in Chuka?People

0:10:43 > 0:10:47like me have no intention of trying to relive the horrors of the state

0:10:47 > 0:10:53command planning forced march.Like the Soviet Union?And China et

0:10:53 > 0:10:58cetera. The Chinese Communist Party is common among capitalists at the

0:10:58 > 0:11:03moment. I could be wrong, but the reason why I think I'm not is that

0:11:03 > 0:11:06there is something special about the technology that we are trying to

0:11:06 > 0:11:11apply that is different to all the other machine technologies. It's an

0:11:11 > 0:11:15information machine acts differently, as I said in the VT. It

0:11:15 > 0:11:20collapses the price of everything. My take on the crisis is, it's not

0:11:20 > 0:11:25just a cyclical thing, a few banks got a few things wrong, it's a

0:11:25 > 0:11:29signal that there is no value coming down the line towards us from the

0:11:29 > 0:11:33future, such as the big tech companies thinking that there is.

0:11:33 > 0:11:40Technology just really doesn't provide that new wave of technology.

0:11:40 > 0:11:46It has to adopt technology? Absolutely, but the problem about,

0:11:46 > 0:11:54if technology does not create value, ie tangible GDP monetisable value,

0:11:54 > 0:12:01we borrow what, 70 trillion, or £270 billion, no, trillion it's got to

0:12:01 > 0:12:07be, trillion, yes, on the basis of what, we pay it back in the future

0:12:07 > 0:12:13through growth and that has to be monetary.Let me bring Chuka in.

0:12:13 > 0:12:18Oxfam said this week really moving into the political row on the

0:12:18 > 0:12:23charity stage, we are dominated by an extreme form of capitalism.Did

0:12:23 > 0:12:28Oxfam used to be a charity rather than a political organisation.It's

0:12:28 > 0:12:34a charity.There is a crisis of capitalism. In a way I disagree with

0:12:34 > 0:12:39Michael and Paul. Michael's argument is, if you look at overall levels of

0:12:39 > 0:12:44poverty across the world, growing middle classes, in Asia and Africa

0:12:44 > 0:12:48et cetera, the numbers of people living in poverty have relatively

0:12:48 > 0:12:54reduce and there is research to back that up. However, it ignores...It's

0:12:54 > 0:13:01not relative.It's absolute.Extreme poverty, people have fell into

0:13:01 > 0:13:07extreme poverty and it's very extreme. Accounted for 40% of the

0:13:07 > 0:13:11globe in the 1980s, today it's under 10%.Yes, absolutely, I totally

0:13:11 > 0:13:16accept that point. But what it ignores is actually the impact of

0:13:16 > 0:13:22inequality. On this, this is where I take issue with Paul's analysis of

0:13:22 > 0:13:27what will happen with the technology. The truth is, we don't

0:13:27 > 0:13:30know if there'll be a net increase or loss in jobs. I think where

0:13:30 > 0:13:34there's more research to back up a lame is that the Noake noltion I

0:13:34 > 0:13:37think exacerbate inequality. The challenge for capitalism going

0:13:37 > 0:13:43forward is how do we ensure more people have capital and how do you

0:13:43 > 0:13:48prevent relative inequality. I'm abusing my position here, I want to

0:13:48 > 0:13:52ask you a question, are you saying you want a different form of

0:13:52 > 0:13:56capitalism or do you want to do away with it all together? I want private

0:13:56 > 0:14:07and public sectors work together. Both. My prognosis in the book

0:14:07 > 0:14:10called Post Capitalism is that technology eats the market over a

0:14:10 > 0:14:17century because it won't provide a renewable capitalism in the way that

0:14:17 > 0:14:20other waves of technological innovation have. But that doesn't

0:14:20 > 0:14:26solve our problem. We have to design a kind of capitalism that solves the

0:14:26 > 0:14:33problem.So you do want capitalism? I would be closer to some of the

0:14:33 > 0:14:39right-wing critics of Oxfam's report than some of the general uncritics

0:14:39 > 0:14:44of it because it was once said that it was revolutionising the

0:14:44 > 0:14:50production. That's what's happened. The problem we've got, it's more

0:14:50 > 0:14:57built in. The inequality within nations is demonstrably built into

0:14:57 > 0:15:03the current model of accumulation and I see that as half of what is

0:15:03 > 0:15:09driving that.I wouldn't disagree. I think there are different forms of

0:15:09 > 0:15:12capitalism and they bake in inequality in different ways. I

0:15:12 > 0:15:17think the other issue with your piece actually is, classically I

0:15:17 > 0:15:21suppose on the left welike at inequality and economic inequality

0:15:21 > 0:15:25but also there are cultural issues, some related to inequality and

0:15:25 > 0:15:34economic factors but there's a whole culture war value going on.

0:15:35 > 0:15:38Communist systems brought massive inequality between the ruling class

0:15:38 > 0:15:43and the rest. In capitalism, the people at the bottom are always

0:15:43 > 0:15:48getting richer, participating in the wealth. In communist societies, the

0:15:48 > 0:15:54society is literally went bankrupt, unable to sustain themselves.Have

0:15:54 > 0:16:02people really been getting richer? Yes.In recent times?Yes. People in

0:16:02 > 0:16:07the street now wearing shoes, educated, they have health care.

0:16:07 > 0:16:10Obesity is a characteristic of the poor. If you had said that in the

0:16:10 > 0:16:1619th century, people would have been amazed. And this idea that

0:16:16 > 0:16:19technology makes things cheaper, it always has. That means that people

0:16:19 > 0:16:25can afford more. They can buy more things because they are cheaper. As

0:16:25 > 0:16:29they buy more things, so the demand becomes more widespread, so the

0:16:29 > 0:16:34employment opportunities become greater. I am unconvinced at this

0:16:34 > 0:16:38stage that artificial intelligence is going to be any different from

0:16:38 > 0:16:41any other technological innovation, all of which so far have replaced

0:16:41 > 0:16:46labour-intensive technologies with new labour-intensive technologies.

0:16:46 > 0:16:51We are always able to see the jobs destroyed, and we never foresee

0:16:51 > 0:16:56those created.You wrote your book at a time when the recovery from the

0:16:56 > 0:16:59crash was still very slow, the slowest recovery from any downturn

0:16:59 > 0:17:05in recent memory. But only in the past 18 months, things have changed.

0:17:05 > 0:17:14The eurozone is showing growth. The American economy, 3%, looks better

0:17:14 > 0:17:18now too. Emerging markets are growing strongly.I take my cue from

0:17:18 > 0:17:22not only my research but the Bank of England. The Bank of England did a

0:17:22 > 0:17:26research project on long-term sources of growth, which basically

0:17:26 > 0:17:30says the extra workers and increased education that has driven global

0:17:30 > 0:17:34growth in the last 30 years is running out. The catching up growth

0:17:34 > 0:17:39that China has done, that is going to run out. The Bank of England, its

0:17:39 > 0:17:46economists, see growth at 1.5 in the next 30 years. If that is true, the

0:17:46 > 0:17:50success stories are the countries that fight for their bit of it. This

0:17:50 > 0:17:54is the mind-bender for those of us who have grown up for 30 years

0:17:54 > 0:18:00thinking the global economy is simply a win-win. Trump might indeed

0:18:00 > 0:18:03achieved 3% growth and re-industrialisation through America

0:18:03 > 0:18:07first, and I think if he does, in two or three years' time, other

0:18:07 > 0:18:12countries will look at that and they will say, we want some of that.One

0:18:12 > 0:18:20can do it, but if everyone tried... Back to the 1930s and a negative sum

0:18:20 > 0:18:25game. Defend globalisation by doing less of it.To bring it back to

0:18:25 > 0:18:31today's politics, let's assume you are right. I am not quite sure what

0:18:31 > 0:18:36your friends a Corbyn government versus a May government would make.

0:18:36 > 0:18:40A massive difference. The thing that sticks me to Corbyn, for all the

0:18:40 > 0:18:45differences I might have with him on minor issues, is that he is the

0:18:45 > 0:18:47first social democratic politician who is prepared to say that

0:18:47 > 0:18:54neoliberalism is over. The model for the last 30 years, Blair, Thatcher,

0:18:54 > 0:18:59Major, Brown, is over. We need a new one.He is not a social Democrat.Of

0:18:59 > 0:19:07course he is.He has never had any empathy with the German social

0:19:07 > 0:19:13Democrats, or Gordon Brown. Reed it is a semantic issue.It's quite

0:19:13 > 0:19:20important. If you introduce tax credits, national minimum wage,

0:19:20 > 0:19:27infrastructure investment.Final thought.Final thought, I think what

0:19:27 > 0:19:32a Labour government has to do is to create a new normal, like the Attlee

0:19:32 > 0:19:36government did. That means knocking off the hard edges of what it wants,

0:19:36 > 0:19:42but the new consensus has to be what I said in the VT, a kind of

0:19:42 > 0:19:46capitalism that starts to suppress inequality and drive growth is not

0:19:46 > 0:19:49through money printing. If Labour can deliver that, the Tory

0:19:49 > 0:19:53government that comes after it, when we are probably all gone from this

0:19:53 > 0:19:57so far, would have to start from a very different premise than the last

0:19:57 > 0:20:0530 years.Thank you for being with us.

0:20:05 > 0:20:06It's late.

0:20:06 > 0:20:07Boris Johnson's mummified great-great-great-great-great-great

0:20:07 > 0:20:08great grandmother late.

0:20:08 > 0:20:10Yes, in a world where fact increasingly out-freaks fiction

0:20:10 > 0:20:13and freaks out the rest of us - scientists have used

0:20:13 > 0:20:15DNA from a mummified big toe to establish

0:20:15 > 0:20:17that the Foreign Secretary is related to the toe's owner,

0:20:17 > 0:20:22a 16th century Swiss noblewoman.

0:20:22 > 0:20:23Naturally.

0:20:23 > 0:20:27Sadly, Anna Catharina Bischoff died of mercury poisoning in a failed

0:20:27 > 0:20:31attempt to cure her of syphilis.

0:20:31 > 0:20:33But stop sniggering at the back.

0:20:33 > 0:20:36Researchers think she contracted it while caring for those

0:20:36 > 0:20:41with sexually-transmitted diseases, allowing BoJo to dub her a pioneer

0:20:41 > 0:20:46in sexual health care.

0:20:46 > 0:20:49And from a powerful woman of the 16th century

0:20:49 > 0:20:50to a well-known woman of today.

0:20:50 > 0:20:53TV presenter and former model Gail Porter, who will be shining

0:20:53 > 0:20:56the spotlight on compassion tonight.

0:20:56 > 0:20:59And if you'd like to get in touch on the Tweeter,

0:20:59 > 0:21:02the Fleecebook, or the Snapnumpty, then you know where you can

0:21:02 > 0:21:03stick your cyber ramblings!

0:21:03 > 0:21:05Just saying.

0:21:05 > 0:21:06I'm sure someone out there is interested

0:21:06 > 0:21:08in what you have to say.

0:21:08 > 0:21:13But I suspect most folks couldn't give a flying Paxman!

0:21:13 > 0:21:15This week's Cabinet meeting will forever be known

0:21:15 > 0:21:17as the Beasting of Boris.

0:21:17 > 0:21:20In response to his spin doctors revealing in advance

0:21:20 > 0:21:23that he was going to raise the case for more money for the NHS,

0:21:23 > 0:21:26the Prime Minister presided over a staged humiliation

0:21:26 > 0:21:29of the Foreign Secretary, as minister after minister

0:21:29 > 0:21:33lectured him on the constitutional convention that what happens

0:21:33 > 0:21:36in cabinet stays in cabinet.

0:21:36 > 0:21:39How do we know all this?

0:21:39 > 0:21:41Because the Downing Street spinners leaked a blow by blow account

0:21:41 > 0:21:43of the cabinet discussion, clearly considering it more

0:21:43 > 0:21:48important we know about the Biffing of Boris than adhering

0:21:48 > 0:21:49to their own constitutional niceties.

0:21:49 > 0:21:51Speaking of niceties, here's Giles Brandreth

0:21:51 > 0:21:59and some Sunday night period drama involving babies.

0:22:22 > 0:22:24Hours of agony, pushing and screaming, tirades of abuse,

0:22:24 > 0:22:28and then a tiny, bloody reward.

0:22:28 > 0:22:36Yes, it's the This Week round-up, and it's messy business.

0:22:38 > 0:22:40Still, so long as you've got plenty of hot towels

0:22:40 > 0:22:46and you stay up at the head end, you should get through it.

0:22:46 > 0:22:49Speaking of painful comings and goings, Ukip's leader,

0:22:49 > 0:22:53Henry Bolton, began the week defending his position,

0:22:53 > 0:22:56after his party's ruling committee voted to remove him by Caesarean

0:22:56 > 0:23:00section after his girlfriend had made racist remarks

0:23:00 > 0:23:06about Prince Harry's fiance, Meghan Markle.

0:23:06 > 0:23:09But it takes more than a racist girlfriend and a vote

0:23:09 > 0:23:12of no-confidence to get rid of man like Henry Bolton, who can strangle

0:23:12 > 0:23:15a badger with his bare hands.

0:23:15 > 0:23:21I will not be resigning as party leader.

0:23:21 > 0:23:24It is now time to put an end to the factional infighting that has

0:23:24 > 0:23:27been going on within the party for some time, and to remove those

0:23:27 > 0:23:28who have been part of that.

0:23:28 > 0:23:34In a single phrase, it is time to drain the swamp.

0:23:34 > 0:23:37The swamp is draining all on its own, as 14 senior Ukip

0:23:37 > 0:23:40figures have quit their posts ahead of next month's ballot,

0:23:40 > 0:23:44when the party membership will decide whether or not to get

0:23:44 > 0:23:47rid of Mr Bolton.

0:23:47 > 0:23:49Meanwhile, former leader Nigel Farage, epidural at the ready,

0:23:49 > 0:23:54had these words of encouragement.

0:23:54 > 0:23:57It's been an appalling few weeks and I think Henry Bolton has

0:23:57 > 0:24:01shown very bad judgment.

0:24:01 > 0:24:04I'm not saying that I support Henry Bolton, but I do

0:24:04 > 0:24:08support him saying to the NEC, "I'm not going to take your judgment,

0:24:08 > 0:24:12I will move this onto a full extraordinary general meeting

0:24:12 > 0:24:17of the Ukip membership".

0:24:17 > 0:24:19Duty calls.

0:24:19 > 0:24:26Hello, Brandreth Birthing, how may I help you?

0:24:26 > 0:24:27Labour complications.

0:24:27 > 0:24:33It seems the patient has split from the EU but is still umbilically

0:24:33 > 0:24:35attached to the single market.

0:24:35 > 0:24:39Very tricky.

0:24:39 > 0:24:40You can have access to the single market.

0:24:40 > 0:24:43You would be effectively members of the single market.

0:24:43 > 0:24:46No, you would have access but you will not be a decision-maker

0:24:46 > 0:24:49when it comes to the rules, and that's quite important.

0:24:49 > 0:24:52The process can be toughest on expectant Leavers.

0:24:52 > 0:24:54There they are, hoping for a bouncing baby Brexit,

0:24:54 > 0:24:57brimming with bilateral trade deals, and they end up pacing up and down

0:24:57 > 0:25:02in the waiting room, stuck in transition.

0:25:02 > 0:25:08The Brexit Secretary reminded us that you can't rush these things.

0:25:08 > 0:25:11Aren't we just still acting as if we are in the European Union,

0:25:11 > 0:25:14we are bound by the European Union, we are lackeys of

0:25:14 > 0:25:15the European Union?

0:25:15 > 0:25:17No, we are acting as a law-abiding country.

0:25:17 > 0:25:18Can't we be a bit bolder?

0:25:18 > 0:25:20We are not going to break those undertakings, laws, commitments.

0:25:20 > 0:25:25We are leaving.

0:25:25 > 0:25:32We don't need to behave as if we are a permanent member.

0:25:32 > 0:25:33And no need for forceps.

0:25:33 > 0:25:38Indeed, he also reassured them that the UK wouldn't pay for access

0:25:38 > 0:25:39to the single market.

0:25:39 > 0:25:41I don't see us paying for access.

0:25:41 > 0:25:45Bearing in mind, I could turn around to Mr Barnier and say,

0:25:45 > 0:25:46"OK, I'll pay you taxes.

0:25:46 > 0:25:49"I'll pay you £1 for every £1000 of business we sell to you,

0:25:49 > 0:25:54"as long as you pay me £1 for every £1000 of business you sell to me".

0:25:54 > 0:25:59I think I'd make money on the deal.

0:25:59 > 0:26:01Meanwhile, the man responsible was in a positive mood.

0:26:01 > 0:26:04Baby Brexit may have been a mistake but Daddy Dave says it

0:26:04 > 0:26:07could have been worse.

0:26:17 > 0:26:19Modern man, Dave, unlike some.

0:26:19 > 0:26:21MPs this week debated the latest sexual harassment scandal,

0:26:21 > 0:26:25following reports that an undercover journalist had been groped

0:26:25 > 0:26:31at an exclusive men-only charity event called the Presidents Club.

0:26:31 > 0:26:34What happened was that women were bought as bait for men,

0:26:34 > 0:26:40rich men, not a mile from where we stand,

0:26:40 > 0:26:42as if that is an acceptable behaviour.

0:26:42 > 0:26:50It is totally unacceptable.

0:26:50 > 0:26:52This seems to be the place.

0:26:52 > 0:26:59Hello, did you call the midwife?

0:27:14 > 0:27:16Wouldn't you be happier in a hospital, Mother?

0:27:16 > 0:27:18Not sure we could manage a bed at the moment,

0:27:18 > 0:27:24but they do a lovely line in corridors.

0:27:24 > 0:27:28Boris Johnson, the Foreign Secretary, was recommending

0:27:28 > 0:27:32to the Cabinet spending oodles more money on the NHS, but

0:27:32 > 0:27:35the Chancellor, Phillip Hammond, felt he'd had enough of Boris' lying

0:27:35 > 0:27:38gas and air.

0:27:38 > 0:27:40Mr Johnson is the Foreign Secretary.

0:27:40 > 0:27:44I gave the Health Secretary an extra £6 billion at the recent Budget,

0:27:44 > 0:27:49and we will look at departmental allocations again at the Spending

0:27:49 > 0:27:52Review when that takes place.

0:27:52 > 0:27:54At Prime Minister's Questions, the waters broke.

0:27:54 > 0:27:56Boris Johnson's intervention was a gift for Jeremy Corbyn,

0:27:56 > 0:28:02who demanded more money to for the NHS.

0:28:02 > 0:28:05But Mrs May, the nation's matron, downplayed the crisis and told us

0:28:05 > 0:28:07that her government was spending a fortune on the NHS.

0:28:07 > 0:28:13Now, Mother...

0:28:13 > 0:28:17The Prime Minister is frankly in denial about the state of the NHS.

0:28:17 > 0:28:19Even the absent Foreign Secretary recognises it, but the Prime

0:28:19 > 0:28:20Minister isn't listening.

0:28:20 > 0:28:23When is she going to face up to the reality and take action

0:28:23 > 0:28:30to save the NHS from death by a thousand cuts?

0:28:30 > 0:28:36This is a government that is backing the NHS plan,

0:28:36 > 0:28:40that is putting more money into the NHS.

0:28:40 > 0:28:42Because this is a government that recognises the priorities

0:28:42 > 0:28:46of the British people.

0:28:46 > 0:28:50Oh, nearly there, Mother, nearly there.

0:28:50 > 0:28:53Oh, look, look.

0:28:53 > 0:28:55Oh, a beautiful baby.

0:28:55 > 0:28:57Coochie, coochie.

0:28:57 > 0:29:00We are going to call you little Eugenie.

0:29:00 > 0:29:03Oh, it's a boy, and a bruiser.

0:29:03 > 0:29:06We'll call you Andrew Neil.

0:29:06 > 0:29:07Mother.

0:29:07 > 0:29:15Well done.

0:29:18 > 0:29:21We'd like to reassure the Nursing and Midwifery Council and expectant

0:29:21 > 0:29:25mothers everywhere that no women or children were harmed

0:29:25 > 0:29:28during the making of that film.

0:29:28 > 0:29:32And thanks to Balfe's Bikes of Dulwich, South London,

0:29:32 > 0:29:34who are to blame for putting Gyles on two wheels.

0:29:34 > 0:29:42And with us now, Ukip's fairy godmother, Christine Hamilton.

0:29:43 > 0:29:51So, is Ukip in its death throes?Who knows.If anybody knows, it's you.

0:29:51 > 0:29:54Of course I don't know. The next step, as everybody knows, is the

0:29:54 > 0:29:58extraordinary general meeting which is going to take place in about, I

0:29:58 > 0:30:03think it's the 18th February if that is a Sunday. Nobody knows where it's

0:30:03 > 0:30:08going to be yet, it's rumoured to be in the middle of the country, like

0:30:08 > 0:30:11Derby or Coventry.It's a secret, like a rave where you meet in the

0:30:11 > 0:30:16middle of the night. We'll have to go to Facebook.It's not a secret,

0:30:16 > 0:30:21it's just not been organised yet.So it is a secret.No, a secret is

0:30:21 > 0:30:26slightly different. If you put a compass point in the middle of the

0:30:26 > 0:30:31country it's meant to be easier access for everybody.Does it matter

0:30:31 > 0:30:35changing your leader. If you changed your leader, you would be the most

0:30:35 > 0:30:39successful party in the room?I don't know what will happen at the

0:30:39 > 0:30:43EGM. There's a huge amount of anti-Henry Bolton sentiment out

0:30:43 > 0:30:49there.He's the leader?By the skin of his teeth. He's not alone in his

0:30:49 > 0:30:54clinging on. I think he's been puppeted by Nigel Farage and he's a

0:30:54 > 0:31:00very strong force in Ukip and a lot of people follow Farage come what

0:31:00 > 0:31:05may so it really depends who gets there, who gets to Derby.Who can

0:31:05 > 0:31:10find out where it is.We'll all be told where it is.How is he being

0:31:10 > 0:31:15puppeted, what's Farage's game here? I don't think Henry Bolton is acting

0:31:15 > 0:31:19entirely off his own back by saying, aisle not going to go. Somebody is

0:31:19 > 0:31:26saying, hang on in there, because it would suit them if he'd implode

0:31:26 > 0:31:31because that would pave the way for him to come forward with the Farage

0:31:31 > 0:31:48party which he'd want to do.Let's get away from Ukip.

0:31:51 > 0:31:56But if they're in decline, the significance of that is for Labour

0:31:56 > 0:32:00because the Ukip vote collapsed back into the Tories and we go back in

0:32:00 > 0:32:03England to a two-party system. If that is going to be the future, it's

0:32:03 > 0:32:08tougher for Labour if Ukip is no longer the threat on the Tory flank.

0:32:08 > 0:32:14Potentially. I'm not sure I totally accept the analysis that we had a

0:32:14 > 0:32:22reassertion of a two-party system. I think for Labour or Tory alike, in

0:32:22 > 0:32:28that senseBy share of the vote.But that means every person in every

0:32:28 > 0:32:33case was voting because and for the parties, not inspite of them.If

0:32:33 > 0:32:39they look at the June vote, they go, suddenly we are at 83%. The combined

0:32:39 > 0:32:43Labour Tory vote?Yes. I think that is dangerous because there were a

0:32:43 > 0:32:46lot of people voting for other reasons. All the research from June

0:32:46 > 0:32:502017 shows a huge number of people voted Labour for the first time,

0:32:50 > 0:32:54particularly young people, in the belief we'd stop a hard Brexit as it

0:32:54 > 0:32:58were. The research backs that up. It's more complex than you might

0:32:58 > 0:33:03think.That's what helped Labour get Green and Lib Dem votes, which is

0:33:03 > 0:33:10why England particular came back to a two-party system.I suppose it

0:33:10 > 0:33:18just means we are not super, super particular.Moving on to even more

0:33:18 > 0:33:22matters, didn't we see the more dividing Cabinet lines being

0:33:22 > 0:33:27exposed. Mr Hammond, Amber Rudd and others want us to continue to shadow

0:33:27 > 0:33:32most of what the EU does even if we are no longer in it. There's Michael

0:33:32 > 0:33:36Gohel, Liam Fox, Boris Johnson, they really want us to strike out on our

0:33:36 > 0:33:45own. How do you reconcile that? It's irreconcilable, is it not?Yes,

0:33:45 > 0:33:47they're in fundamentally different positions. We have seen the

0:33:47 > 0:33:52organised ganging up on members of Cabinet. We have talked about how

0:33:52 > 0:33:57they are gangs up on Boris on the NHS and this evening a succession of

0:33:57 > 0:34:02ministers have come out to criticise, and I think rightly, what

0:34:02 > 0:34:07Philip Hammond said about remaining...Closely aligned?

0:34:07 > 0:34:10Extraordinarily close or as close as we possibly could be to the European

0:34:10 > 0:34:14Union. Yes, the two positions are irreconcilable, but I think the

0:34:14 > 0:34:18position of the British people is pretty clear, it's that we must

0:34:18 > 0:34:23leave the European Union that. Is the policy of the Government and the

0:34:23 > 0:34:28Prime Minister.Given this division which has come to the foreas we move

0:34:28 > 0:34:32on to the next stage, because the next stage of Brexit is for the

0:34:32 > 0:34:35Government to decide what kind of a relationship it wants with the EU.

0:34:35 > 0:34:40That's phase two. This argument between close alignment and striking

0:34:40 > 0:34:44out on our own, look, if Ukip wasn't fighting among itself all the time,

0:34:44 > 0:34:48there would be a role for Ukip from his point of view of keeping the

0:34:48 > 0:34:53Government's feet to the fire on this?Despite the fact Ukip is

0:34:53 > 0:34:56internally fighting, there is still a role for it. Although membership

0:34:56 > 0:35:00might have plummeted, there are still a lot of people out there

0:35:00 > 0:35:05supporting the aims of Ukip and they don't want Ukip to disappear. Going

0:35:05 > 0:35:09back to what you were asking Chuka earlier, Ukip's always drawn its

0:35:09 > 0:35:14support, it used to be a third from Labour, a third from former Tory and

0:35:14 > 0:35:18a third who've never voted before and I lot of them went back to

0:35:18 > 0:35:21Labour, especially in the Welsh valleys, for example, so it's not

0:35:21 > 0:35:26true to say all the Ukip voters went to the Tories. It's fluid. What

0:35:26 > 0:35:29knows what will happen at the next election and Ukip is necessary to

0:35:29 > 0:35:34keep the Government's feet to the fire because, as Mrs May seems to be

0:35:34 > 0:35:37holding together if this extraordinary coalition in the Tory

0:35:37 > 0:35:41party and while they've got her it can continue, but I mean how much

0:35:41 > 0:35:50longer can she continue?It's a pity that we had a June 2017 election.

0:35:50 > 0:35:53Before that, Labour MPs were frightened by the fact that in many

0:35:53 > 0:35:57of their constituencies there had been a Brexit majority and Labour

0:35:57 > 0:36:01MPs who came on the sofa were careful to say how they were going

0:36:01 > 0:36:06to respect the wishes of the British people. Chuka doesn't bother with

0:36:06 > 0:36:10that any more. Ukip is not a force in the land, whereas after 2015 we

0:36:10 > 0:36:16still thought it was. It's a great pity because, the effect of the 2017

0:36:16 > 0:36:19general election has been to lessen the impact of what the British

0:36:19 > 0:36:25people clearly decided in 2016.I'm not so sure about that, funnily

0:36:25 > 0:36:29enough because OK, in 2016, people voted to leave the European Union

0:36:29 > 0:36:33and the majority of people participated in that referendum but

0:36:33 > 0:36:37how was reserved to Parliament and Theresa May put coming out of the

0:36:37 > 0:36:41single market and the customs union, pursuing the so-called hard Brexit,

0:36:41 > 0:36:43she immediate that the centrepiece of her general election campaign and

0:36:43 > 0:36:47lost her majority. So I'm not sure you can necessarily read into this

0:36:47 > 0:36:55that, you know, we can't have a debate and scrutinise what form of

0:36:55 > 0:37:00Brexit is.You are quite right, the nature of the deal requires debate

0:37:00 > 0:37:04and argument. But in that debate, are you able to tell us, is it

0:37:04 > 0:37:07Labour's position to remain members of the single market or not?Well,

0:37:07 > 0:37:12at the moment in transition, yes. But in terms of the long-term, we

0:37:12 > 0:37:16haven't come to a decision on that. I'm very clear, I think we should be

0:37:16 > 0:37:20arguing for us to stay in the single market permanently.Membership?Yes.

0:37:20 > 0:37:24Which is effectively staying in? Yes. At the moment what is going on,

0:37:24 > 0:37:28the leadership is waiting to see if public opinion moves in a particular

0:37:28 > 0:37:31direction and they are looking at polling and focus groups. I would

0:37:31 > 0:37:36argue in the end you have got to lead and make the argument for your

0:37:36 > 0:37:41values, when Labour stops doing that, support for things like

0:37:41 > 0:37:43poverty reduction, inequality reduction falls, so it stands to

0:37:43 > 0:37:50reason, if we make the argument for a kind of, personally I wish it

0:37:50 > 0:37:53wasn't happening, but...It wouldn't happen if we stayed in the single

0:37:53 > 0:37:58market.That's why it's his policy. You can be a member of the single

0:37:58 > 0:38:06market unless you have had free movement.ECJ.Well, you're...

0:38:06 > 0:38:09Doesn't mean it's the right thing to do but you are staying in.You are

0:38:09 > 0:38:16not. There are countries that participate fully, Norway,

0:38:16 > 0:38:19Lichtenstein, Iceland, they're not in the European Union but

0:38:19 > 0:38:25participate fully.You are saying you respect the views of the British

0:38:25 > 0:38:29people who voted to come out. They did not vote 20 To come out yet stay

0:38:29 > 0:38:34in the single markets. They voted to come out.Staying in the single

0:38:34 > 0:38:37market wasn't on the ballot paper. I represent the most remained

0:38:37 > 0:38:43constituency in the country so my constituents were actually prefer

0:38:43 > 0:38:47not to be leaving.It was clearly understood leaving the EU means

0:38:47 > 0:38:51leaving.How do you know. £350 million a week for the NHS was the

0:38:51 > 0:38:55big thing that got the leave campaign in there.There's nothing

0:38:55 > 0:39:01to stop that.Sometimes you wish you never raised the subject! It's like

0:39:01 > 0:39:06ground hog day on the referendum and we have ran out of time. Christine

0:39:06 > 0:39:08Hamilton, thank you.

0:39:08 > 0:39:09Rough sleeping rose 15% last year.

0:39:09 > 0:39:12It's risen ever year for the past seven years,

0:39:12 > 0:39:13a 170% increase since 2010.

0:39:13 > 0:39:18Tonight around 4,750 people in England alone

0:39:18 > 0:39:22are bedding down in doorways, under bridges and in parks

0:39:22 > 0:39:25homelessness in its rawest, cruellest form.

0:39:25 > 0:39:28We're one of the richest countries in the world with a sophisticated

0:39:28 > 0:39:31and extensive welfare state.

0:39:31 > 0:39:34And we like to think we're a compassionate country.

0:39:34 > 0:39:36So why is rough sleeping on the rise?

0:39:36 > 0:39:39Tonight we're putting compassion in the Spotlight.

0:39:50 > 0:39:52Emily Thornberry quoted Thurgood Marshall in a debate

0:39:52 > 0:39:53on refugees yesterday.

0:39:53 > 0:39:55The measure of a country's greatness is its ability to retain

0:39:55 > 0:39:58compassion in times of crisis.

0:40:00 > 0:40:02With rough sleeping rising for the seventh consecutive year,

0:40:02 > 0:40:06is compassion in short supply these days?

0:40:06 > 0:40:09People walk past who know you, what you've grew

0:40:09 > 0:40:14up with and all that, and they just look down their nose at you.

0:40:14 > 0:40:20And when someone's actions are monstrous, is there any

0:40:20 > 0:40:22room for compassion?

0:40:22 > 0:40:25175 years.

0:40:25 > 0:40:29I just signed your death warrant.

0:40:29 > 0:40:32In turbulent times, do we need to rely on business leaders

0:40:32 > 0:40:35to inject politics with kindness?

0:40:35 > 0:40:39It would be great to have China be a leader in the reduction

0:40:39 > 0:40:43of inequality, which really fits in with the founding principles

0:40:43 > 0:40:45that China is run under.

0:40:45 > 0:40:50Can you expect much sympathy...

0:40:50 > 0:40:52We have seen you kissing her very intimately...

0:40:52 > 0:40:55If your actions collide with your colleagues' principles?

0:40:55 > 0:40:57It's all become a bit of a soap opera.

0:40:57 > 0:40:58He's now got no mandate at all.

0:40:58 > 0:41:00A bit of an embarrassment.

0:41:00 > 0:41:01Useless leader.

0:41:01 > 0:41:02Lost all touch with reality.

0:41:02 > 0:41:03Get the hell out of politics.

0:41:03 > 0:41:07Gail Porter thinks the world can be a cold place.

0:41:07 > 0:41:09So how can we be kinder?

0:41:09 > 0:41:15And Gail Porter is with us now.

0:41:15 > 0:41:19Welcome to the programme.Thank you very much for having me.We like to

0:41:19 > 0:41:23think of ourselves as a compassionate nation. Are we fooling

0:41:23 > 0:41:29ourselves?Well, it's a really difficult thing for me to broach

0:41:29 > 0:41:32because, I mean I think of myself as a very compassionate person and I

0:41:32 > 0:41:36know there are lots of really kind people out there, but I sometimes

0:41:36 > 0:41:41feel like the Government lets us done and we are let down in so many

0:41:41 > 0:41:46different ways. Yes, I would kind of like to be the Alice in Wonderland

0:41:46 > 0:41:52of everything's going to be wonderful.Everything is never

0:41:52 > 0:41:56wonderful, but the growth in rough sleeping is a kind of metaphor for

0:41:56 > 0:42:02it in some ways, isn't it? You do wonder, why is this being allowed to

0:42:02 > 0:42:11happen at this stage in 2018 in a rich, advanced country? .I think

0:42:11 > 0:42:15it's absolutely appalling that people are still sleeping rough. I

0:42:15 > 0:42:19don't know if you know my story, but six years ago I lost my house and I

0:42:19 > 0:42:24couldn't afford to pay my rent and all the rest of it and I ended up

0:42:24 > 0:42:30sleeping rough. I luckily had friend whose sofas I could sleep on and

0:42:30 > 0:42:34stuff but I slept rough for a couple of nights in Hampstead Heath which

0:42:34 > 0:42:40was extremely scary and I think, how does this happen in this day and

0:42:40 > 0:42:44age. I worked since I was 15, I hit on a bad time, never taken benefits

0:42:44 > 0:42:49or asked for help and I suddenly got struck. I couldn't pay my rent and I

0:42:49 > 0:42:54had nowhere to go and, you know, I walked past people every single day

0:42:54 > 0:42:58and I think, how does this even happen.Although you managed to pull

0:42:58 > 0:43:02out of that, the great danger when that happens to a lot of people is

0:43:02 > 0:43:07that it's a dissent into hell? Exactly, it's a never ending circle

0:43:07 > 0:43:11because they can't apply for benefits this they have not got some

0:43:11 > 0:43:16where to stay, they have not got an address, a lot of people can't get

0:43:16 > 0:43:22work without an address.It reinforces it?Exactly.We often

0:43:22 > 0:43:25expect Government to do too much and Government's not very good at doing

0:43:25 > 0:43:29quite a lot of things but when you look at the rough sloping, the

0:43:29 > 0:43:35growth and the problem, you do wonder why Government can't just get

0:43:35 > 0:43:40a grip of this -- rough sleeping. One Government described this

0:43:40 > 0:43:44current Government as basically a visionless meet yobbingrity and in a

0:43:44 > 0:43:51way you would think that Mrs May would get out of bed one morning and

0:43:51 > 0:43:54think, look at the figures, we have got to do something about that.

0:43:54 > 0:44:00Mediocrity.Something has to be done.I travel the world, there is

0:44:00 > 0:44:04rough sleeping everywhere, in every single country I've ever visited

0:44:04 > 0:44:07there is rough sleeping. If there were an answer, then I think at

0:44:07 > 0:44:11least one country that I've visited would have come up with the answer.

0:44:11 > 0:44:14I remember Tony Blair was swept into Downing Street in 1997 on the

0:44:14 > 0:44:20promise that he was going to abolish rough sleeping of course he did not.

0:44:20 > 0:44:25It did decline dramatically.It went on and on. I've lived in London all

0:44:25 > 0:44:31that time, there's always been rough sleeping.But it was going in the

0:44:31 > 0:44:35other direction.It was going in the other direction I completely agree

0:44:35 > 0:44:39with you, it was.I remember cardboard city as it was called on

0:44:39 > 0:44:47the South Bank. That went, there was a drastic reduck Shannon and since

0:44:47 > 0:44:52-- reduction and since 2010, it's increased by 17%. It's related to

0:44:52 > 0:44:56the withdrawal of support, withdrawal of benefits and impact of

0:44:56 > 0:45:00public services and austerity. I don't know any independent outfit

0:45:00 > 0:45:04that would deny that.What austerity have we had? We have borrowed every

0:45:04 > 0:45:09year more than we've earned, we have the largest deficit in Europe,

0:45:09 > 0:45:14consistently. We are spending more than £100 billion a year on welfare.

0:45:14 > 0:45:17Let me get a final thought from Gail because we have been through this.

0:45:17 > 0:45:21What would you like to be done, what do you think would allow us to

0:45:21 > 0:45:27tackle this?Obviously, I'm not a politician, but there needs to be

0:45:27 > 0:45:31more money put into looking after people that are in situations like

0:45:31 > 0:45:37myself, you know. People that have worked. I worked my entire life and

0:45:37 > 0:45:41unfortunately I hit a bad patch and there was nowhere to turn to. I

0:45:41 > 0:45:44would have loved to have gone to the Government and said, can someone

0:45:44 > 0:45:49please help me.Just to get you through.Just anything, even a

0:45:49 > 0:45:54conversation, put me in the right direction, you know, I think

0:45:54 > 0:45:57sometimes people think homeless people are either bad people or

0:45:57 > 0:46:03going through some sort of terrible situation in their life. Some people

0:46:03 > 0:46:07are hard workers and unfortunately just hit a rough patch.We are going

0:46:07 > 0:46:11to have to leave it there because we have run out of time. Thank you very

0:46:11 > 0:46:14much for being with us.

0:46:14 > 0:46:15That's your lot for tonight folks.

0:46:15 > 0:46:17But not for us.

0:46:17 > 0:46:20We're off to Lou Lou's, where it's the President Club's Mea Culpa

0:46:20 > 0:46:22night, with all-female dining guests and top businessmen serving drinks

0:46:22 > 0:46:23in short, tight black dresses.

0:46:23 > 0:46:27I'm told the women have lots of ballroom dancing planned,

0:46:27 > 0:46:30inspired by the example of our old chum Ed "twinkle ties"

0:46:30 > 0:46:32Balls, whose Strictly Come Dancing fame gained him entry

0:46:32 > 0:46:36to The Donald's Mar a Lago estate in Florida.

0:46:36 > 0:46:39I'm told the President was particularly taken

0:46:39 > 0:46:43by his spangly Lycra and energetic Rumba.

0:46:43 > 0:46:48This has inspired Chukka to threaten to perform his Gangnam Style routine

0:46:48 > 0:46:51which takes "cool" to a new level - of despair - and Michael

0:46:51 > 0:46:54will dance the Time Warp from the Rocky Horror Show,

0:46:54 > 0:46:58just as soon as we get his legs into his fishnet tights.

0:46:58 > 0:47:06Night-nighty don't let the special relationship bite.

0:47:08 > 0:47:14We have had a great discussion, we are on the same wavelength and I

0:47:14 > 0:47:17have every respect for the Prime Minister. The Prime Minister and

0:47:17 > 0:47:21myself have had a really great relationship. There are some people

0:47:21 > 0:47:25that don't necessarily believe that, but I can tell you, we have

0:47:25 > 0:47:30tremendous respect for the Prime Minister and the job she's doing. I

0:47:30 > 0:47:34think the feeling is mutual from the stand point of liking each other a

0:47:34 > 0:47:42lot. There was a little bit of a false rumour out there, I just

0:47:42 > 0:47:46wanted to correct it frankly. I have great respect for everything you are

0:47:46 > 0:47:55doing. We are working on the transactions in terms of economic

0:47:55 > 0:48:00development, trade, maybe most importantly military. We are very

0:48:00 > 0:48:10much joined at the hip when it comes to the military. We have the same

0:48:10 > 0:48:14ideas, the same ideas and there's nothing that would happen to you

0:48:14 > 0:48:20that we won't be there to fight for you, you know that. I just want to

0:48:20 > 0:48:23thank you very much, it's a great honour to be here. Thank you very

0:48:23 > 0:48:27much.Thank you very much, Mr President, thank you.