0:00:09 > 0:00:11Tonight on this Week, dithering dogfish.
0:00:11 > 0:00:14Is the government all at sea?
0:00:14 > 0:00:16The ship is shaking its shackles, captain.
0:00:16 > 0:00:17What do we do, captain?
0:00:17 > 0:00:22Has the PM been cast adrift?
0:00:22 > 0:00:25Me ship foundered, me shipmates lost, not a sail in sight, and I'm
0:00:25 > 0:00:30all alone on the boundless ocean.
0:00:30 > 0:00:34Cabin boy Kevin Maguire rounds up a stormy political week.
0:00:34 > 0:00:36Stirring starfish, Andrew, there's mutiny afoot in Number Ten.
0:00:36 > 0:00:39The PM's below deck, shivering her timbers.
0:00:39 > 0:00:44There no knowing how long she's going to last.
0:00:44 > 0:00:48We are here, which says beware of sea monsters.
0:00:48 > 0:00:51Never mind about the PM, Commander John Simpson worries
0:00:51 > 0:00:54Western democracy is under attack.
0:00:54 > 0:00:55Buckling barnacles.
0:00:55 > 0:00:58Help!
0:00:58 > 0:01:01Jumping jellyfish, Andrew, the sharks are circling,
0:01:01 > 0:01:06and I fear democracy's losing its sea legs.
0:01:06 > 0:01:14Powder monkey Ralf Little embarks on a voyage of political discovery.
0:01:14 > 0:01:15Ahoy there, captain.
0:01:15 > 0:01:17Politicians used to take youngsters for nautical nitwits,
0:01:17 > 0:01:19but the winds are changing.
0:01:19 > 0:01:20Now, where's that rum?
0:01:20 > 0:01:24Or Blue Nun?
0:01:24 > 0:01:25Ready to fire, captain.
0:01:25 > 0:01:28Fire.
0:01:28 > 0:01:30Scupper me skull and crossbones, is that the time?
0:01:30 > 0:01:34First mate Liz, Master Michael Bates, all hands on deck.
0:01:34 > 0:01:42The good ship This Week must set sail.
0:01:47 > 0:01:48Evenin' all.
0:01:48 > 0:01:49Welcome to This Week.
0:01:49 > 0:01:53And as we come on air we learn that North Korea has launched a nuclear
0:01:53 > 0:01:56missile attack on Manchester.
0:01:56 > 0:02:00We'll look at where this now leaves BBC pay policy.
0:02:00 > 0:02:02Will the Price Waterhouse report still be implemented?
0:02:02 > 0:02:05Will BBC Salford still be covered by it, assuming
0:02:05 > 0:02:08it survives the nuke?
0:02:08 > 0:02:11The North Korea attack has plunged the world economy into recession,
0:02:11 > 0:02:15with mass unemployment and plummeting living standards now
0:02:15 > 0:02:17beckoning across the globe.
0:02:17 > 0:02:23We'll investigate what this means for the BBC gender pay gap.
0:02:23 > 0:02:27And as a new Netflix documentary reveals how slavery and people
0:02:27 > 0:02:30trafficking are on the rise in various parts of the world,
0:02:30 > 0:02:33including here in London, we'll expose the Dickensian
0:02:33 > 0:02:37employment practices of BBC executives who,
0:02:37 > 0:02:41during one of their periodic humiliations before a Commons select
0:02:41 > 0:02:42committee, confessed to running an illicit chimney-sweeping
0:02:42 > 0:02:47operation which involved strapping brushes to presenters' bums
0:02:47 > 0:02:50and forcing them up chimneys in their spare time.
0:02:50 > 0:02:53Not only was this work unpaid but women presenters were even
0:02:53 > 0:02:57more unpaid than men.
0:02:57 > 0:02:59Speaking of those for whom no payment would still be
0:02:59 > 0:03:02too much remuneration, I'm joined on the sofa tonight
0:03:02 > 0:03:05by two news commentators who are living proof of the BBC DG's
0:03:05 > 0:03:08claim that there is no market for news in this country.
0:03:08 > 0:03:13I speak of course of Michael #choochoo Portillo and Liz
0:03:13 > 0:03:21#fourpercent Kendall.
0:03:21 > 0:03:30Your moment of the week?Provoked by the news that researchers working on
0:03:30 > 0:03:35behalf of Volkswagen were poisoning monkeys with diesel fumes, the
0:03:35 > 0:03:40former chief scientific to the government, who worked with me, Sir
0:03:40 > 0:03:44David King, came out and said that he really thought that the motor
0:03:44 > 0:03:49companies had blood on their hands. I had never thought about this. I
0:03:49 > 0:03:53had thought that the cheating of the tests that were done on the diesel
0:03:53 > 0:03:57engines was really just a matter of stealing a march on the market. But
0:03:57 > 0:04:04he says that because he was duped by this research in 2004, he
0:04:04 > 0:04:07recommended to government that we advantage diesel engines over petrol
0:04:07 > 0:04:11engines so there have been many more, and they have been kicking out
0:04:11 > 0:04:17these fumes which have much more nitrogen oxide in them than we
0:04:17 > 0:04:21think, and many people are susceptible to these fumes, so he is
0:04:21 > 0:04:24saying hundreds of people have died because these companies committed
0:04:24 > 0:04:29this fraud. It had not occurred to me before. Blood on their hands, he
0:04:29 > 0:04:35said.I think the coverage here hasn't understood, given the
0:04:35 > 0:04:39importance of the German motor industry to Germany, the core of its
0:04:39 > 0:04:43economy, this is a real crisis in Germany. Because of confidence in
0:04:43 > 0:04:50where the country is now going. It turned out there were some humans
0:04:50 > 0:04:55involved in the experiments, too. Yes, indeed.Lives, your moment of
0:04:55 > 0:05:01the week?Today's Office For National Statistics statistics which
0:05:01 > 0:05:04show that Britain is good at creating wealth but terrible at
0:05:04 > 0:05:08spreading it. The poorest half of the population have 9% of the
0:05:08 > 0:05:15country's well. This really matters in terms of entrenching the North -
0:05:15 > 0:05:20south divide, divides between older and younger people. You cannot earn
0:05:20 > 0:05:25or save your way into being really wealthy any more, you have to be
0:05:25 > 0:05:29born into it, Mariette, or inherit it. And I think that should concern
0:05:29 > 0:05:34not only those of us who believe in social justice on the left, but
0:05:34 > 0:05:41meritocratic, right, too.Or else work for the BBC.We will move on!
0:05:41 > 0:05:44This was supposed to be the century which sealed the triumph
0:05:44 > 0:05:45of liberal democracy.
0:05:45 > 0:05:48The end of history as one US commentator notoriously put it.
0:05:48 > 0:05:51But the last two decades have seen, from Caracas to Beijing to Moscow
0:05:51 > 0:05:54and many places in between, the rise of a new authoritarianism,
0:05:54 > 0:05:55not just as a convenience for governing elites
0:05:55 > 0:05:59who want to dodge the annoyance of democratic accountability,
0:05:59 > 0:06:03but as a creed which they claim is superior to democracy.
0:06:03 > 0:06:07At the same time, the post-war institutions designed
0:06:07 > 0:06:08to guarantee our democracy, security, prosperity
0:06:08 > 0:06:11and the global rule of law, the EU, Nato, the UN,
0:06:11 > 0:06:13the IMF, are increasingly struggling to stay relevant and in
0:06:13 > 0:06:19some places downright dismissed.
0:06:19 > 0:06:22And even in the most established of modern democracies,
0:06:22 > 0:06:25Britain, France, America, Germany, there has been
0:06:25 > 0:06:30growing populist anger with our own governing elites.
0:06:30 > 0:06:32So, rather than the triumph of democracy, is there
0:06:32 > 0:06:33a danger of its demise.
0:06:33 > 0:06:35Who better to answer that than the BBC's
0:06:35 > 0:06:38very own John Simpson?
0:06:38 > 0:06:44This is his take of the week.
0:06:53 > 0:06:57As we all know, the leader of the free world wants to make
0:06:57 > 0:06:59America great again.
0:06:59 > 0:07:03And in his first State of the Union address earlier this week,
0:07:03 > 0:07:05the President said, "We are restoring our strength
0:07:05 > 0:07:09and standing abroad".
0:07:09 > 0:07:12But the fact is, the world has changed.
0:07:12 > 0:07:15Democracies are becoming weaker and America isn't
0:07:15 > 0:07:23the beacon it used to be.
0:07:27 > 0:07:29Don't just take my word for it.
0:07:29 > 0:07:37American think tanks have been pretty gloomy recently.
0:07:37 > 0:07:38Freedom House, for instance, a non-partisan outfit
0:07:38 > 0:07:42based in Washington, DC.
0:07:42 > 0:07:46It says, "For the 12th consecutive year, countries that suffered
0:07:46 > 0:07:52democratic setbacks outnumbered those that registered gains".
0:07:52 > 0:07:55And it went on to say that countries like Turkey and Hungary,
0:07:55 > 0:08:01which had been looking quite promising, were now slipping down
0:08:01 > 0:08:04into authoritarian rule.
0:08:04 > 0:08:07Our own Prime Minister is in China at the moment, promoting
0:08:07 > 0:08:10a golden era of friendship.
0:08:10 > 0:08:12Not very surprising, given that China is such
0:08:12 > 0:08:16an economic powerhouse.
0:08:16 > 0:08:19But it's also becoming an awful lot more autocratic.
0:08:19 > 0:08:21Just think of that Swedish-Chinese publisher, who was arrested
0:08:21 > 0:08:26by the secret police the other day.
0:08:26 > 0:08:29Maybe President Xi Jinping thinks that China is so rich nowadays it
0:08:29 > 0:08:37doesn't have to worry about what other people think.
0:08:39 > 0:08:43Vladimir Putin is coming up for another presidential election,
0:08:43 > 0:08:46and with the main opposition leader banged up, yet again,
0:08:46 > 0:08:51the outcome is pretty certain.
0:08:51 > 0:08:54Two Harvard professors, Stephen Levitsky and Daniel Ziblat
0:08:54 > 0:08:58have been arguing that in fact, democracy can be killed
0:08:58 > 0:09:04at the ballot box.
0:09:04 > 0:09:07Once an anti-democratic leader gets in, he, and it always
0:09:07 > 0:09:11does seem to be a he, is pretty much in for as long
0:09:11 > 0:09:15as he wants, because every four or five years, he can
0:09:15 > 0:09:20stage a re-election.
0:09:20 > 0:09:24All depressingly true, but the common thread running
0:09:24 > 0:09:26through all this doom and gloom is the apparent decline
0:09:26 > 0:09:29of the United States.
0:09:29 > 0:09:31It used to be a counterbalancing strength against
0:09:31 > 0:09:35countries like Russia.
0:09:35 > 0:09:38Not so much nowadays.
0:09:44 > 0:09:47Freedom House says that 88 countries are now what it calls free,
0:09:47 > 0:09:55while 49 are unfree.
0:09:55 > 0:09:57When I became a journalist back in 1966, the whole picture
0:09:57 > 0:10:03was far more gloomy, but the trouble is, it's turning
0:10:03 > 0:10:08in the wrong direction again.
0:10:08 > 0:10:11But the big difference is that in the past the United States
0:10:11 > 0:10:13dominated the world.
0:10:13 > 0:10:21And now it doesn't.
0:10:24 > 0:10:26Many thanks to our friends at the Diner on the Strand.
0:10:26 > 0:10:34A few tequilas the merrier, John Simpson is here.
0:10:35 > 0:10:41Welcome back to the programme.Nice to be back.Michael, is democracy on
0:10:41 > 0:10:46the defensive?Yes, I think it is. I would go further and say that I
0:10:46 > 0:10:50would regard democracy as largely still experimental. There were 11
0:10:50 > 0:10:55democracies in the world in 1941. Even they were not democracy is
0:10:55 > 0:10:58because the United States did not have black people voting at that
0:10:58 > 0:11:03stage. We only had women voting on equal terms since 1928. Many
0:11:03 > 0:11:09democracies came around in the 70s, 80s and 90s. So they have a very
0:11:09 > 0:11:13short routes, not long established. This is an idea that is still on
0:11:13 > 0:11:19trial, I think. You can look at it in various ways. I could say things
0:11:19 > 0:11:23are much better now because black people are voting in the United
0:11:23 > 0:11:27States and most of the Eastern bloc that was under the subjugation of
0:11:27 > 0:11:32the Soviet Union is now democratic. But he would counter and say, in the
0:11:32 > 0:11:36last few years it has moved in the other direction, and that is
0:11:36 > 0:11:40absolutely right. And I worry about some of the characteristics of
0:11:40 > 0:11:43democracy, in particular that democracy forces parties to vie with
0:11:43 > 0:11:48each other to promise too much. And the anyway, if they win the
0:11:48 > 0:11:51election, the only way they can deal with this is to give people today
0:11:51 > 0:11:55what must be paid for tomorrow. And whether it is the Labour Party
0:11:55 > 0:11:59policy of increasing public borrowing, or the Labour and
0:11:59 > 0:12:03Conservative Party policy of the last few years of having public-
0:12:03 > 0:12:06private partnerships, it's all the same, giving rewards to voters today
0:12:06 > 0:12:11that must be paid for down the road. That is a long-term threat to
0:12:11 > 0:12:18democracy.And if democracy is maybe in retreat, certainly on the
0:12:18 > 0:12:23defensive, are we witnessing the rise of a new authoritarianism?
0:12:23 > 0:12:29Without doubt. China, Russia, also Turkey, medics this week have been
0:12:29 > 0:12:32arrested because they protested against what Turkey was doing in
0:12:32 > 0:12:41Syria. I am less pessimistic, not necessarily about the States,
0:12:41 > 0:12:46although I do think that the checks and balances of the judiciary, the
0:12:46 > 0:12:53NGOs, the media are going full guns. I am much more optimistic that it
0:12:53 > 0:12:58can be about Europe. You will remember, you may even have said
0:12:58 > 0:13:02this, Michael, predictions of doom and gloom on growth and the rise of
0:13:02 > 0:13:06populism, growth is back now, unemployment is down, Macron is
0:13:06 > 0:13:11making a very optimistic pitch. So I think you have to balance the
0:13:11 > 0:13:14worrying events that we see in China, Russia and places like
0:13:14 > 0:13:22Turkey.19 members of the German parliament from the far right.That
0:13:22 > 0:13:32will not go away.This is entirely new. 90.Where the risks really
0:13:32 > 0:13:35lying is if Liberal democracies allow globalisation to run rampant,
0:13:35 > 0:13:41which is where the populist back -- backlash comes from, and if Liberals
0:13:41 > 0:13:45become intolerant of those with different views.One of the things
0:13:45 > 0:13:50that seems to have changed is that democracy gets into the problems
0:13:50 > 0:13:53they have been talking about and others, and authoritarianism has
0:13:53 > 0:13:58ceased to be something that just strong leaders like, banana Republic
0:13:58 > 0:14:02leaders of Latin America, Franco in Spain and so on. If you listen to
0:14:02 > 0:14:06the Kremlin or Beijing, they actively propose authoritarianism as
0:14:06 > 0:14:10a better way, don't they?
0:14:10 > 0:14:15Yes they do. What worries me is that China seems to have worked out a
0:14:15 > 0:14:17different way. In the past all
0:14:17 > 0:14:18China seems to have worked out a different way. In the past all these
0:14:18 > 0:14:23old freaks With their medals and their uniforms have been in for 20,
0:14:23 > 0:14:3030 years and so on, they never ran the country properly. It was deeply
0:14:30 > 0:14:35corrupt and ordinary people suffered. Well, China's actually
0:14:35 > 0:14:41deeply corrupt too, but it's a huge success story. It's lifting millions
0:14:41 > 0:14:47out of poverty. In China I spend quite a bit of time there, people
0:14:47 > 0:14:55always say to you - well, why should we want all this democracy malarkey.
0:14:55 > 0:14:59We've got everything. We can keep quiet here. We don't have to speak
0:14:59 > 0:15:06too loudly and we can make money. It does worry me that that's a kind of
0:15:06 > 0:15:11new danger.A changing dynamic. We never thought that would happen.
0:15:11 > 0:15:15Never.We thought authoritarianism in the end would lead to democracy.
0:15:15 > 0:15:18In a number of place it is's going in the opposite direction?It does
0:15:18 > 0:15:26seem to be, yes.Has the crash given this legs too? Because the crash was
0:15:26 > 0:15:30caused by people who were earning millions and millions and millions
0:15:30 > 0:15:36and never really seemed to pay a price, but the rest suffered
0:15:36 > 0:15:41austerity and wage stagnation and democracy wasn't delivering in the
0:15:41 > 0:15:45way it had for post-war generations. While there was still a number of
0:15:45 > 0:15:50communist countries in the world it was easy to believe capitalism and
0:15:50 > 0:15:54democracy was the same thing because they were closely associated with
0:15:54 > 0:16:00each. It's clear they are almost opposites. Democracy is about
0:16:00 > 0:16:04equality every five years, how often you vote. Capitalism is about
0:16:04 > 0:16:13inequality. It doesn't work unless some people do better than others or
0:16:13 > 0:16:16you aren't encouraged to participate. Whereas you can say to
0:16:16 > 0:16:20people - look, don't worry about a bit of inequality because you get to
0:16:20 > 0:16:25vote every five years. That may work at a diversity of one to 20 between
0:16:25 > 0:16:30the pay of a nurse and the pay of an investment banker. At one to 2,000
0:16:30 > 0:16:34it probably doesn't work quite as as well.That ratio has got wider.It's
0:16:34 > 0:16:40got wider.And wider. You said you were more optimistic, Liz, I
0:16:40 > 0:16:43remember he when democracy seemed to have triumphed every two or three
0:16:43 > 0:16:49years. Portugal, Spain, Greece they all ceased to be fascist countries
0:16:49 > 0:16:52and joined democratic Europe. The liberation of Eastern Europe, even
0:16:52 > 0:16:57for a period, Russia itself. These are being chalked up. Over the past
0:16:57 > 0:17:03five years or ten years, even, where has democracy triumphed?Well, it
0:17:03 > 0:17:10has gone backwards in many places. The Arab Spring essentially a
0:17:10 > 0:17:15democratic failure perhaps. Tunisia a bit.As we look forward I will be
0:17:15 > 0:17:23interested in what John thinks about this. Our... The soft power of
0:17:23 > 0:17:27America and Europe our incredible universities which many people from
0:17:27 > 0:17:30China are coming to study at. The dominance of our language and
0:17:30 > 0:17:34popular culture and sport, do you think that over time that those
0:17:34 > 0:17:38things will have an influence, even in a deeply authoritarian country
0:17:38 > 0:17:46like China?Oh, yeah. I think we're seeing that quite clearly. When
0:17:46 > 0:17:51Auntie May goes there she gets -Her new name.It's going to stick.It is
0:17:51 > 0:17:58going to stick.You know, people have a respect for Britain because
0:17:58 > 0:18:04of what they've heard about it in the past. But, you know, political
0:18:04 > 0:18:10weakness does eat away at that. Britain is more - is weaker
0:18:10 > 0:18:17politically than at any time in my career since the 70s. That does
0:18:17 > 0:18:22tell.They can sense that.They can sense it. Just as they can sense,
0:18:22 > 0:18:29you don't even need to sense it, that Donald Trump is somebody that
0:18:29 > 0:18:35everybody seems to want to laugh at. And that he's obsessed with things
0:18:35 > 0:18:41that don't relate to the outside world. That cuts back on American
0:18:41 > 0:18:46soft power just as British political weakness cuts back on our soft
0:18:46 > 0:18:51power. You can make a very good case for saying that a couple of years
0:18:51 > 0:18:58ago Britain had the greatest soft power in the world, and maybe second
0:18:58 > 0:19:04to America, maybe up there with America. One or two. That I think is
0:19:04 > 0:19:08fading at the moment. Maybe it will come back. It's fading now.I want
0:19:08 > 0:19:12to finish on this point you made about America. I can remember,
0:19:12 > 0:19:16particularly during the Cold War when the complaint from the left was
0:19:16 > 0:19:21that America was too dominant and even a threat to democracy. It
0:19:21 > 0:19:26interfered in democratic procedures. But now your argument is interesting
0:19:26 > 0:19:31that the withdrawal of America, becoming less important, is helping
0:19:31 > 0:19:35the rise of authoritarianism and is one of the causes of the decline of
0:19:35 > 0:19:40democracy?I feel that quite strongly. I don't think that America
0:19:40 > 0:19:45is pulling back as much as it seems, when you listen to Donald Trump's
0:19:45 > 0:19:50words. It doesn't really put very much of these words into operation.
0:19:50 > 0:19:57No.It is words, but words are all the rest have us got. You know, you
0:19:57 > 0:20:02sit there, you sit-in Beijing, you sit-in Moscow, you sit-in Paris or
0:20:02 > 0:20:06London and all you hear is what Donald Trump is saying, and you
0:20:06 > 0:20:12don't see very much about the little that he's doing.Don't be too rosy
0:20:12 > 0:20:16about the past. United States routinely supported dictatorships in
0:20:16 > 0:20:21Latin America.Indeed. It wasn't a great help to Iran in the early 50s
0:20:21 > 0:20:27either. What we have been talking about you seem to agree. Is this a
0:20:27 > 0:20:30short-term phenomenon that will change or is this the shape of
0:20:30 > 0:20:35things to come, yes or no?Shape of things to come.If we have
0:20:35 > 0:20:40confidence in our values it need not be.I think everything is quite
0:20:40 > 0:20:45short-term nowadays.These days.It will be what is up will be down and
0:20:45 > 0:20:49what's down will be up.John, great to have you back again. Good to see
0:20:49 > 0:20:51you.
0:20:51 > 0:20:52It's late.
0:20:52 > 0:20:54Hunky-funky-love-action late.
0:20:54 > 0:20:56Because, in news that will have every spotty Herbert
0:20:56 > 0:20:59and Henrietta at Tory HQ reaching for their Barry White records,
0:20:59 > 0:21:01researchers claim that attractive people are more likely
0:21:01 > 0:21:06to be right wing.
0:21:06 > 0:21:10This has come as something of a surprise to those of us who've
0:21:10 > 0:21:14had to cover Tory party conferences down the ages and drawn
0:21:14 > 0:21:17the short straw of being dispatched to the Young Conservative annual
0:21:17 > 0:21:18shindig.
0:21:18 > 0:21:19But there we are.
0:21:19 > 0:21:23Who are we to challenge expert research or forecasts?
0:21:23 > 0:21:31Someone who's scrubbed-up well tonight is the terribly
0:21:31 > 0:21:33dashing Ralf Little, who's putting 'alienation'
0:21:33 > 0:21:34in the Spotlight.
0:21:34 > 0:21:37And if you'd like to honour us with your views on tonight's
0:21:37 > 0:21:38programme, via the Tweeter, the Fleecebook,
0:21:38 > 0:21:39Uncle-Snapnumpty-and-all.
0:21:39 > 0:21:41Well, you don't have our permission.
0:21:41 > 0:21:44Our blunt advice is that three hours of basket weaving a day and best
0:21:44 > 0:21:47behaviour when your probation officer comes to visit is a more
0:21:47 > 0:21:51speedy way of getting released back into the community.
0:21:51 > 0:21:54Why is the Conservative Party revolting?
0:21:54 > 0:21:58Well, a comprehensive answer would keep us here all night.
0:21:58 > 0:22:01Suffice to say that the rumblings and mumblings against the Maybot
0:22:01 > 0:22:06from within her own crew reached a crescendo in the past week,
0:22:06 > 0:22:08loud enough to threaten the very walls of the crumbling corridors
0:22:08 > 0:22:11in the Palace of Varieties.
0:22:11 > 0:22:14Her Tory critics accuse her of drift and dither,
0:22:14 > 0:22:17while drifting and dithering about doing anything about it.
0:22:17 > 0:22:21Yes, no matter the squalls and tempests that assail her,
0:22:21 > 0:22:24the leaky Good Ship May just keeps ploughing on through storm-tossed
0:22:24 > 0:22:27seas to destinations as yet unknown, even by the navigator.
0:22:27 > 0:22:28So is she unsinkable?
0:22:28 > 0:22:30Or is she about to be tossed overboard into
0:22:30 > 0:22:33the shark-infested briny?
0:22:33 > 0:22:36Here's scurvy sea dog Kevin "Peg Leg" Maguire with his latest
0:22:36 > 0:22:44despatch from Mutiny on the Maybot.
0:22:53 > 0:22:55Britain is leaving the European Union.
0:22:55 > 0:23:02Britain has the strong and stable leadership.
0:23:02 > 0:23:03COUGHING.
0:23:03 > 0:23:11Oh, excuse me.
0:23:11 > 0:23:17On July 13th 2016, Theresa May's premiership set sail.
0:23:17 > 0:23:25Bound for Brexit success.
0:23:29 > 0:23:37En route there began a fantastic series of historical series
0:23:39 > 0:23:41of events as men, driven to desperation,
0:23:41 > 0:23:42plunged into the unknown.
0:23:42 > 0:23:43A series of events had culminated in...
0:23:43 > 0:23:45The most famous non-mutiny in history.
0:23:45 > 0:23:47This week mutinous Tory rumblings spilled over into, well,
0:23:47 > 0:23:50more Tory mutinous rumblings over Theresa May's failure to get
0:23:50 > 0:23:51the party ship shape.
0:23:51 > 0:23:53Jacob Rees-Mogg was hardly buccaneering in his implicit call
0:23:53 > 0:23:54for Philip Hammond's resignation.
0:23:54 > 0:23:56I'm deeply respectful of the system that we have of government
0:23:56 > 0:23:59and that is a matter for the Prime Minister.
0:23:59 > 0:24:06It wouldn't be right for me to trespass on it.
0:24:06 > 0:24:10But it was Admiral May that more seemed to want marooned on the dead
0:24:10 > 0:24:16man's chess with mutterings about a Premiership.
0:24:16 > 0:24:18Tightening the bottle screw was Johnny Mercer who didn't quite
0:24:18 > 0:24:26call blow the woman down, but he didn't join in
0:24:28 > 0:24:30the premier's sea shanties.
0:24:30 > 0:24:33I'm of the view that any sort of change of leadership is not
0:24:33 > 0:24:35helpful at the moment and I don't support that.
0:24:35 > 0:24:37But I do think the window is closing.
0:24:37 > 0:24:40May said this was a load of old bilge and refused
0:24:40 > 0:24:41to abandon ship, for now.
0:24:41 > 0:24:42Saying, I'm not a quitter.
0:24:42 > 0:24:50I have but one concern, our mission.
0:24:51 > 0:24:53Steering the Labour ship in Corbyn's plac,e Emily Thornberry spotted
0:24:53 > 0:24:59an opportunity to hang the Tories from the yard arm.
0:24:59 > 0:25:01Thou she blows.
0:25:01 > 0:25:09When his party was 17 points ahead in the polls and he told the House
0:25:09 > 0:25:12that the Labour Party was, I quote, "quarrelling like the film
0:25:12 > 0:25:15Mutiny on the Boundy, reshot by the team who made
0:25:15 > 0:25:17well what a difference a year makes!
0:25:17 > 0:25:25How the tables have turned.
0:25:27 > 0:25:34Refusing to accept the PM was shark bait
0:25:34 > 0:25:42May's first mate bit back.
0:25:42 > 0:25:44It's a delight to me to see the right honourable lady
0:25:44 > 0:25:48still in her place when no fewer than 97 members of her frontbench
0:25:48 > 0:25:50have either been sacked or resigned since the the leader
0:25:50 > 0:25:51of the opposition took office.
0:25:51 > 0:25:59The Government's negotiations were tied to the taff rail
0:26:06 > 0:26:08potentially catastrophic economic impact of leaving
0:26:08 > 0:26:09the European Union.
0:26:09 > 0:26:11Ministers didn't let the leak capsize the Brexit rhetoric.
0:26:11 > 0:26:13The article is a selective interpretation of a
0:26:13 > 0:26:14preliminary analysis.
0:26:14 > 0:26:17It is an attempt to undermine our exit from the European Union.
0:26:17 > 0:26:20This response from the Government didn't exactly calm the rolling seas
0:26:20 > 0:26:22with opposition MPs voting for the Brexit plans to be
0:26:22 > 0:26:23keel holed in public.
0:26:23 > 0:26:25He knows, we know and this report confirms, that Brexit
0:26:25 > 0:26:28is going to cause huge damage to British jobs
0:26:28 > 0:26:36and British families.
0:26:38 > 0:26:40But their swashbuckling Brexiteer, Iain Duncan Smith,
0:26:40 > 0:26:42refused to let his timbers be shivered by the revelations.
0:26:42 > 0:26:45It's deliberately leaked because it is gives a bad view
0:26:45 > 0:26:48and therefore we should just put it on one side and say -
0:26:48 > 0:26:49look, leave it alone.
0:26:49 > 0:26:52No sign of relief on the horizon on the transition front either.
0:26:52 > 0:26:54Michel Barnier, old salt of the EU negotiating crew,
0:26:54 > 0:26:56fired a shot across the UK's bough.
0:26:56 > 0:26:58During transition, the UK will continue to take part
0:26:58 > 0:27:05in the single market.
0:27:05 > 0:27:08To take part in the customs union and to all union policies.
0:27:08 > 0:27:10It will continue to have all the economic benefits.
0:27:10 > 0:27:13Therefore, it musts also apply all the EU rules.
0:27:13 > 0:27:19The single market cannot be a la carte.
0:27:19 > 0:27:22The Lords did their best to scuttle any confidence in the Government's
0:27:22 > 0:27:28ability to hit a decent Brexit target for the UK.
0:27:28 > 0:27:31My fear is that we will get meaningless waffle in a political
0:27:31 > 0:27:35declaration in October.
0:27:35 > 0:27:39The implementation period will not be a bridge to a clear destination,
0:27:39 > 0:27:47it will be a gang plank into thin air.
0:27:49 > 0:27:52Refusing to give the BBC sight of a safe port in a storm,
0:27:52 > 0:27:55Carrie Gracie, the former China editor, thinks the Corporation needs
0:27:55 > 0:27:58to swab the decks on equal pay.
0:27:58 > 0:28:05I feel very angry about what they've put some other people through.
0:28:05 > 0:28:08I really feel angry about some of the things I've seen and heard
0:28:08 > 0:28:10and some of the women and the suffering
0:28:10 > 0:28:11they've gone through.
0:28:11 > 0:28:16I mean, you know, it's not funny.
0:28:16 > 0:28:19The BBC has had to strike colours, in a way, promising
0:28:19 > 0:28:21pay cuts for some men.
0:28:21 > 0:28:23Come on, come on.
0:28:23 > 0:28:29Ha-ha.
0:28:29 > 0:28:33Hee-hee.
0:28:33 > 0:28:35Hang on, what are you doing?
0:28:35 > 0:28:36Come back.
0:28:36 > 0:28:38Come back, we've got a mutiny.
0:28:38 > 0:28:40We've got to do a mutiny.
0:28:40 > 0:28:44We can't get the crews today.
0:28:44 > 0:28:47It looks like the Admiral is going to stay at the helm.
0:28:47 > 0:28:54Best to get back to work then.
0:28:54 > 0:28:57A crooked old wreck, not fit for purpose,
0:28:57 > 0:29:00in danger of running keel over anchor, that's what they're saying
0:29:00 > 0:29:07about our illustrious Houses of Parliament.
0:29:07 > 0:29:09What do we do with the Commons chamber?
0:29:09 > 0:29:11What do we do with the Commons chamber
0:29:11 > 0:29:15when Parliament is refurbished?
0:29:15 > 0:29:21I'm prepared to lay down my liberty to actually work in that sort
0:29:21 > 0:29:23sort of hell down there, if it needs to be done.
0:29:23 > 0:29:24Up she rises.
0:29:24 > 0:29:30It's not a robin we need in this house, it's a flipping big eagle
0:29:30 > 0:29:33to pick up some of the huge mice that kick about this place.
0:29:33 > 0:29:35Up she rises.
0:29:35 > 0:29:37In this instance, in supporting motion B, absolutely
0:29:37 > 0:29:41everybody vote leave.
0:29:41 > 0:29:49Hooray, up she rises, early in the morning.
0:29:56 > 0:29:59I thought today was when we're going to hoist and splice the main
0:29:59 > 0:30:01brace, scuttle the Admiral you know.
0:30:01 > 0:30:06She looks safe for now.
0:30:06 > 0:30:11So Tiddles, it's now me and you, and I can't even find any rum.
0:30:11 > 0:30:14Our apologies to the Golden Hinde near London Bridge for all those
0:30:14 > 0:30:22empty Blue Nun bottles Kevin left lying around.
0:30:23 > 0:30:25Michael, what is more
0:30:25 > 0:30:29Michael, what is more pathetic, Mrs May's inability to lead, or Tory
0:30:29 > 0:30:35MPs' failure to do anything about it?Probably the inability to lead,
0:30:35 > 0:30:38because there's a good explanation for their failure to do anything
0:30:38 > 0:30:42about it, which is that they think they might move to a worse place,
0:30:42 > 0:30:48because they would have divisive leadership election, and the person
0:30:48 > 0:30:51who was elected might be even more against what a particular voter
0:30:51 > 0:31:02wants to see. So it's quite rational to keep her in.So why do they keep
0:31:02 > 0:31:07on grumbling? Why don't they just bottle it?Because they are still
0:31:07 > 0:31:12trying to adjust her course through the water. I saw this during the
0:31:12 > 0:31:16John Major government. When you are not certain what the course of the
0:31:16 > 0:31:19government is, both sides tried to pull it in one direction or the
0:31:19 > 0:31:26other. So the Brexiteers, in this last week, have got wise to the
0:31:26 > 0:31:31thought that the transition period may simply be a two-year extension
0:31:31 > 0:31:35of being in the European Union, with the slight difference that we want
0:31:35 > 0:31:38to participate in any decision-making any more, and
0:31:38 > 0:31:43obviously they try and pull back from that. And Mrs May came up with
0:31:43 > 0:31:47the response that she was not going to accept a situation in which
0:31:47 > 0:31:51immigration would be the same as before.It is not just about Brexit,
0:31:51 > 0:31:57is it? Her problem is that they see no leadership on the other big
0:31:57 > 0:32:02question is, on housing, on the NHS, on these huge gaps that we see in
0:32:02 > 0:32:09terms of how well kids are doing at school. And I think people, there is
0:32:09 > 0:32:13clearly a massive battle over Brexit and the transition deal, but the
0:32:13 > 0:32:17underlying thing is that the Tories know if they are just a party about
0:32:17 > 0:32:21Brexit and they go back to the electorate, they will be absolutely
0:32:21 > 0:32:28done for, and there is nothing about that either.If they had a clear
0:32:28 > 0:32:34vision of what a post-Brexit Britain would look like in the government's
0:32:34 > 0:32:38mind, that would dictate the domestic agenda. Because whatever
0:32:38 > 0:32:42the vision, the country would then have to get itself into shape for
0:32:42 > 0:32:46these new challenges and different ways of doing things, so the two are
0:32:46 > 0:32:51connected.The two are connected. I also think they are given a bit of
0:32:51 > 0:32:57leeway to have these discussions, because my reading of the situation
0:32:57 > 0:33:00is that Jeremy Corbyn absolutely does not want to become Prime
0:33:00 > 0:33:06Minister while Brexit is an open question.Really?He would jump at
0:33:06 > 0:33:11the chance.To inherit this mess would be a nightmare.I think the
0:33:11 > 0:33:16opposite. They are worried that the longer there is not an election, the
0:33:16 > 0:33:21more it might slip from their hands. They think if there was an election
0:33:21 > 0:33:24called, for whatever reason, that they would end up the largest party,
0:33:24 > 0:33:28if there was an election in the first half of this year. They are
0:33:28 > 0:33:32not so sure that would be the case, because we live in a world where you
0:33:32 > 0:33:37are up, you are down, ask Nicola Sturgeon, David Cameron, Hillary
0:33:37 > 0:33:40Clinton, Angela Merkel, they are worried that if you don't get an
0:33:40 > 0:33:45election quite quickly they can't be as sure of the outcome as they are
0:33:45 > 0:33:50now.I think it's right that they can't be sure of the outcome, but I
0:33:50 > 0:33:54think trying to deal with this situation for the Labour Party would
0:33:54 > 0:34:00be highly destructive, with a pretty Eurosceptical leadership and a
0:34:00 > 0:34:03pretty enthusiastic Labour Party Parliamentary membership. I think
0:34:03 > 0:34:08they would do well to let the Tories go on trying to make sense of this.
0:34:08 > 0:34:13Let me ask you one more question. Jacob Rees-Mogg is now the bookies
0:34:13 > 0:34:17favourite, and in some internal Tory party polling he is the favourite to
0:34:17 > 0:34:26succeed. What do you make of that?I make of it that he is now one of
0:34:26 > 0:34:30about five or six Tories that the public can name. That's because he
0:34:30 > 0:34:33is not in office, he has the luxury of saying pretty much what he
0:34:33 > 0:34:42thinks. He is clear-cut and relatively charismatic. He has
0:34:42 > 0:34:47ideas. All of these things are what the public is crying out for, so I
0:34:47 > 0:34:52am not surprised that is his position.Would you be favourable
0:34:52 > 0:34:59towards him as the next Conservative leader?I would favour Michael Gove,
0:34:59 > 0:35:04which many Tories would say is a preposterous thing to say. But
0:35:04 > 0:35:08wherever you put Michael Gove in a ministerial job, he gets on and does
0:35:08 > 0:35:14things.OK. What do you make of these economic impact assessments?
0:35:14 > 0:35:19Should we take them seriously? We have not seen them all yet.It is
0:35:19 > 0:35:25difficult to model different futures. But all of them show that
0:35:25 > 0:35:30we will be worse off. And I think the reason why they haven't been
0:35:30 > 0:35:35published is not about undermining our negotiating position. The idea
0:35:35 > 0:35:38that Europe does not know what the different options might mean is
0:35:38 > 0:35:42delusional. It is about internal party management. The Tories always
0:35:42 > 0:35:47had a reputation for being strong on the economy and supportive of
0:35:47 > 0:35:54business. And that is really at risk.Michael.You commission work
0:35:54 > 0:35:58within government which is dominated by the Treasury and the Foreign
0:35:58 > 0:36:04Office, which are both fanatically pro-European, all the analysis will
0:36:04 > 0:36:07go in one direction, as it did before the referendum, and much of
0:36:07 > 0:36:11what was produced at that time has been hugely discredited. Same old
0:36:11 > 0:36:17same old.The BBC or the Palace of Westminster, which is crumbling
0:36:17 > 0:36:22faster?
0:36:23 > 0:36:31faster?The Palace of Westminster. You mean the fabric.I don't believe
0:36:31 > 0:36:36that the BBC is crumbling. They have got to sort out what is happening on
0:36:36 > 0:36:41pay. I think it has been appalling. They have not sorted it out. Carrie
0:36:41 > 0:36:47Gracie has said that our business is telling the truth and if the
0:36:47 > 0:36:51managers don't publish the data and tell the truth about page, what are
0:36:51 > 0:36:55they supposed to do? But I do not believe the underlying values of the
0:36:55 > 0:36:59BBC as a public service broadcaster are crumbling. They just have too
0:36:59 > 0:37:07uphold it when it comes to equal pay and women.Create it. Rather than
0:37:07 > 0:37:13uphold, create it.Carrie Gracie's testimony, to me, proves nothing. I
0:37:13 > 0:37:16would expect the Washington editor to be paid more than the Beijing
0:37:16 > 0:37:19editor, because the Washington editor is on television most nights
0:37:19 > 0:37:25and the Beijing editor isn't. I would say that what someone was paid
0:37:25 > 0:37:29would depend on how long they were staying in their foreign posting,
0:37:29 > 0:37:38whether it was nearly all the time or not.She was lied to, Michael.
0:37:38 > 0:37:42And now to the crumbling bit. The reason the BBC probably is crumbling
0:37:42 > 0:37:47is that it is wedded to the licence fee and does not have an alternative
0:37:47 > 0:37:50policy. We can all see that the licence fee is going to come to an
0:37:50 > 0:37:56end. As people more and more watch television material on their
0:37:56 > 0:38:02laptops, iPhones, at the time of their choosing, binge watching of
0:38:02 > 0:38:07cereals, paying subscriptions to Netflix, Apple and everybody else,
0:38:07 > 0:38:11then the case for having a mandatory tax for you to watch the BBC is
0:38:11 > 0:38:16going to become thinner and thinner. If you value a public service
0:38:16 > 0:38:21broadcasting have to find a way to pay for it.Netflix are global and
0:38:21 > 0:38:25the BBC insists on not being global, so when I go abroad I can't watch
0:38:25 > 0:38:30the programmes I have paid for.They need to sort that out.They haven't
0:38:30 > 0:38:36got the rights for abroad, that's why.I thought they put an enormous
0:38:36 > 0:38:41amount of effort into sorting out the rights.If you sell Doctor Who
0:38:41 > 0:38:44to an American market, whoever buys the rights in America will have the
0:38:44 > 0:38:49rights in America. Anyway, we shall move on.
0:38:49 > 0:38:52The political elites on both sides of the Atlantic are used
0:38:52 > 0:38:54to getting their own way and being at the centre
0:38:54 > 0:38:55of the action.
0:38:55 > 0:38:59So it's come as something of a kick in the Andrew Adonises to discover
0:38:59 > 0:39:00that they're now on the sidelines.
0:39:00 > 0:39:03That's the harsh truth for those who backed Hillary Clinton,
0:39:03 > 0:39:05the Remain campaigners who found themselves on the wrong side
0:39:05 > 0:39:07of the referendum, and Labour social democrats who never
0:39:07 > 0:39:10thought their party would end up in the firm grip of Jezza
0:39:10 > 0:39:11and his happy band of Corbynistas.
0:39:11 > 0:39:14In many cases their unfamiliar feeling of alienation has turned
0:39:14 > 0:39:18into discombobulation.
0:39:18 > 0:39:26So we thought we'd better put alienation in the Spotlight.
0:39:30 > 0:39:32Emily Thornberry reckons the Government is alienating young
0:39:32 > 0:39:35people from the political process.
0:39:35 > 0:39:37There is no logical principle of objection to votes at 16.
0:39:37 > 0:39:40That is why every single political party in this House
0:39:40 > 0:39:47supports it except of course the Conservative Party and the DUP.
0:39:47 > 0:39:50But are the Tories keeping the youth in the loop in other ways?
0:39:50 > 0:39:52Hi, I'm Matt Hancock and welcome to my app.
0:39:52 > 0:39:56So come on, let's get started.
0:39:56 > 0:39:59Nick Timothy had barely got started at Downing Street before
0:39:59 > 0:40:00he was cast out of Number Ten.
0:40:00 > 0:40:04So is he still on the outside looking in?
0:40:04 > 0:40:06I haven't seen the Prime Minister since I resigned
0:40:06 > 0:40:09at the general election.
0:40:09 > 0:40:14Corbynistas have transformed Labour, but is their kinder,
0:40:14 > 0:40:18gentler politics alienating the old guard?
0:40:18 > 0:40:21The atmosphere in the Labour Party in recent months, not just
0:40:21 > 0:40:24in Haringey, but across London and across the country,
0:40:24 > 0:40:28has been deeply troubling.
0:40:28 > 0:40:30Members of the Upper House are well aware that their
0:40:30 > 0:40:32tedium is a turn off.
0:40:32 > 0:40:35We're experts at being boring, my Lords.
0:40:35 > 0:40:38But one tardy peer managed to get the Lords hashtag trending by
0:40:38 > 0:40:41excommunicating himself yesterday.
0:40:41 > 0:40:44I shall be offering my resignation to the Prime Minister...
0:40:44 > 0:40:46No, no!
0:40:46 > 0:40:50..with immediate effect.
0:40:50 > 0:40:53APPLAUSE.
0:40:53 > 0:40:55This unapologetically divisive figure used his big speech
0:40:55 > 0:40:59on Tuesday to reach out to alienated Democrats.
0:40:59 > 0:41:06I call upon all of us to set aside our differences.
0:41:06 > 0:41:09Ralf Little thinks social media offers those alienated from politics
0:41:09 > 0:41:14the opportunity to engage.
0:41:14 > 0:41:22So how do we maintain momentum?
0:41:26 > 0:41:33Ralf Little joins us now. Welcome to the programme. Are we more alienated
0:41:33 > 0:41:38from politics, or have we never been more engaged?Like many complex
0:41:38 > 0:41:44issues, I think the answer is both. I think social media in
0:41:44 > 0:41:47particular... Rather than try and assume I can speak for the
0:41:47 > 0:41:52electorate, I will speak for myself. Politics, when I was younger, I
0:41:52 > 0:41:57still think of myself as a young man even though I am pushing 40.
0:41:57 > 0:42:03Pathetic!Definitely still young. Thanks. When I was younger, at
0:42:03 > 0:42:07school and as a teenager and even in my 20s, politics was something that,
0:42:07 > 0:42:11programmes like this, your parents and grandparents watched. If you
0:42:11 > 0:42:14wanted to be interested in politics, it was something you had to seek
0:42:14 > 0:42:20out. It was a club, or something that people had a calling to wards
0:42:20 > 0:42:26and then they sought out and they joined and that was it. Obviously,
0:42:26 > 0:42:29if you understand anything you understand that politics affects us
0:42:29 > 0:42:33all, but in terms of engaging with it, unless you are a career
0:42:33 > 0:42:36politician, it felt like something over there and not for us. You see
0:42:36 > 0:42:41it on Twitter now and people all the time go, oh, well, whatever party
0:42:41 > 0:42:46they are, they are all the same. It always felt like that growing up.
0:42:46 > 0:42:52But now social media, things like Twitter... In many ways it is awful
0:42:52 > 0:42:57but one thing is that it has made me personally, the last few years, you
0:42:57 > 0:43:00follow people that you admire and you listen to their opinions, and
0:43:00 > 0:43:05politics feels like you soak it up. It's a more passive thing and then
0:43:05 > 0:43:10you engage with it. So in that respect, I think it's been much less
0:43:10 > 0:43:15alienating.And it is easier to get your voice heard as well.
0:43:15 > 0:43:20Beforehand, it was limited to who could get into TV studios like this.
0:43:20 > 0:43:25Yes, or you might write to an MP, or go to a surgery, but you can be
0:43:25 > 0:43:30heard now. There is this obsession with in politics with how to get
0:43:30 > 0:43:35young people engaged. I don't think it is just that, I think more people
0:43:35 > 0:43:41are generally engaged. Whether I am talking to you here, or Professor
0:43:41 > 0:43:46green is speaking very eloquently on Channel 4, or Stormzy is tweeting
0:43:46 > 0:43:50out crime for Corbyn. I don't think I have ever been aware of that kind
0:43:50 > 0:43:55of level of people that you would not necessarily expect to see.There
0:43:55 > 0:44:00are downsides to social media and it can be nasty at times. It can
0:44:00 > 0:44:04cheapen public discourse. But from what you say, overall it is a
0:44:04 > 0:44:08positive, because it helps to democratise discourse.Well, the
0:44:08 > 0:44:14other half of that answer is the downside is that you have the
0:44:14 > 0:44:18President of the United States dominating the news cycle by firing
0:44:18 > 0:44:22of tweets that seem to occur off the top of his head, or he is a genius
0:44:22 > 0:44:27who knows how to dominate the news cycle. I know what I think. I never
0:44:27 > 0:44:33thought in my lifetime I would see the rise of the hard, hard, slightly
0:44:33 > 0:44:36terrifying right, and see a US President that would not literally
0:44:36 > 0:44:41condemn that. Someone cleverer than me is going to have to work out
0:44:41 > 0:44:48whether it is a good or bad thing. You showed social media the ability
0:44:48 > 0:44:51to have democratic discourse in action when you had an engagement
0:44:51 > 0:44:58with the Health Secretary.It's very strange, isn't it?That could not
0:44:58 > 0:45:04have been done 20 years ago. Absolutely not. And credit to Mr
0:45:04 > 0:45:09Hunt, he replied, decided to engage with me. On some level you have to
0:45:09 > 0:45:15acknowledge that. I didn't mean any of this to happen. I saw him on
0:45:15 > 0:45:21Andrew Marr, saying things that were, I'm trying to think of a
0:45:21 > 0:45:26clever way of saying not true, but not true. That will do it. More
0:45:26 > 0:45:32accurately, saying things that in Tiley misrepresented the full
0:45:32 > 0:45:37picture, for certain ends. Whether he knew that was the case, I can't
0:45:37 > 0:45:41say, but I angrily fired off a tweet where I claimed he knew that, which
0:45:41 > 0:45:46I have retracted and apologised for. That started a discourse, and he
0:45:46 > 0:45:51replied to me, to his credit, and slightly challenged me and said,
0:45:51 > 0:45:56come on, these are some statistics, this is what is the truth. If I am
0:45:56 > 0:46:08wrong, show me. So I did.Are we more alienate it, or more engaged?
0:46:08 > 0:46:15More engaged. Social media has been positive. Politics isn't that alone.
0:46:15 > 0:46:18Sending tweets and signing a petition. Politics is about the
0:46:18 > 0:46:22nitty, gritty, long hard slog of taking difficult decisions and
0:46:22 > 0:46:25changing people's lives.That is the politicians the people don't do
0:46:25 > 0:46:31that. They are the ones with opinions to chose people like you.
0:46:31 > 0:46:35Michael, engauged or alienated?More engaged. It was a myth widely
0:46:35 > 0:46:40perpetrated that democracy was done to people. The whole point of
0:46:40 > 0:46:43democracy is that it's theirs. If you think politicians are useless,
0:46:43 > 0:46:50step forward and replace them Do-it-yourself.We have to move on.
0:46:50 > 0:46:56We have run out of time. Thank you for being with us.I've had fun.
0:46:56 > 0:46:57That's your lot for tonight.
0:46:57 > 0:46:58But not for us.
0:46:58 > 0:47:01We're off to Lou Lou's, where it's gender pay equality night,
0:47:01 > 0:47:04and those who've just been awarded whacking pay rises at your expense
0:47:04 > 0:47:06have promised to put a few quid behind the bar.
0:47:06 > 0:47:08I'm more worried by the news that two of Westminster's
0:47:08 > 0:47:11finest drinking dens, The Red Lion and Saint Stephen's
0:47:11 > 0:47:13Tavern, could be closed as part of the refurbishment
0:47:13 > 0:47:15of our crumbly-rumbly wibbly-wobbly Mother of Parliaments.
0:47:15 > 0:47:18Michael's decided we need a lock-in at Lou Lou's lest
0:47:18 > 0:47:19the bulldozers head our way.
0:47:19 > 0:47:22Liz has volunteered to erect a makeshift barricade from
0:47:22 > 0:47:24Ed Miliband's abandoned "soapboax".
0:47:24 > 0:47:27I always knew she'd find a use for it.
0:47:27 > 0:47:29My only worry is we've enough Blue Nun to see
0:47:29 > 0:47:31us through the night.
0:47:31 > 0:47:33But I suppose a supertanker full will be adequate.
0:47:33 > 0:47:35Nighty-night.
0:47:35 > 0:47:43Don't let Big Bad John bite.
0:47:54 > 0:47:55THE SPEAKER:Order.
0:47:55 > 0:47:56Order.
0:47:56 > 0:47:58I'm sure it will not have escaped public notice,
0:47:58 > 0:48:01and it is rather a sad irony, that when a woman is addressing
0:48:01 > 0:48:04the House, quite a lot of noisy, boorish and in one case rather
0:48:04 > 0:48:06stupid individuals are trying to shout the right
0:48:06 > 0:48:07honourable lady down.
0:48:07 > 0:48:08Cut it out!
0:48:08 > 0:48:09# Big John.
0:48:09 > 0:48:10# Big John.
0:48:10 > 0:48:13# Every morning at the mine you could see him arrive.
0:48:13 > 0:48:16# He stood six foot six and weighted 245.
0:48:16 > 0:48:18# Kind of broad at the shoulder and narrow at the hip.
0:48:18 > 0:48:21# And everybody knew you didn't give no lip to big John.
0:48:21 > 0:48:22# Big John.
0:48:22 > 0:48:23# Big John.
0:48:23 > 0:48:24# Big bad John.#