0:00:20 > 0:00:28Take a look.There is a mist coming in. Something is brewing, about to
0:00:28 > 0:00:35begin. Could it be this week? Here it is practically perfect in every
0:00:35 > 0:00:38way.
0:00:44 > 0:00:50# A spoonful of sugar helps the medicine go down.
0:00:50 > 0:00:53Kate Andrews hopes a spoonful of sugar will have the medicine go
0:00:53 > 0:00:59down.Yes, I do, Andrew. But I think the NHS may need more than a
0:00:59 > 0:01:03sweetener or two. I know it is unpopular but Donald Trump has a
0:01:03 > 0:01:13point about the National Health Service.
0:01:18 > 0:01:31Kate McCann round-up the political week.Votes for this week! Votes for
0:01:31 > 0:01:36this week? Is anybody actually watching?
0:01:48 > 0:01:52And drag queen Courtney Act thinks we should take a jolly holiday from
0:01:52 > 0:01:59gender obsession.You know what, Andrew? You are not bad for a bloke,
0:01:59 > 0:02:06but for the sake of humanity can we sweep away gender stereotypes?
0:02:06 > 0:02:12Thanks, Courtney. All that coming up. Before we begin, let me make one
0:02:12 > 0:02:19thing clear. This week never explains anything!
0:02:19 > 0:02:23Evenin' all.
0:02:23 > 0:02:25Welcome to This Week, the East Coast Mainline
0:02:25 > 0:02:26of bankrupt late night TV.
0:02:26 > 0:02:30We started out 15 long years ago, a child of the state.
0:02:30 > 0:02:34But then we were privatised and lived high on the hog.
0:02:34 > 0:02:36Too high. We went bust.
0:02:36 > 0:02:39So the state took us back into its care.
0:02:39 > 0:02:41Then, with a casual disregard for recent history,
0:02:41 > 0:02:46we were privatised again. Trebles all round.
0:02:46 > 0:02:48Until we went bust. Again.
0:02:48 > 0:02:51Forcing us once more into the warm if somewhat stale
0:02:51 > 0:02:53embrace of the state.
0:02:53 > 0:02:58They've even thrown in the Newsnight franchise just to keep us sweet.
0:02:58 > 0:03:01"It's time the BBC stood up to the 35 hardcore incompetents
0:03:01 > 0:03:04who've presided over this farce," I cried.
0:03:04 > 0:03:07"It's time we slung 'em out."
0:03:07 > 0:03:10Until Molly the Dog put me back on my medication, and pointed
0:03:10 > 0:03:13out that without them there would be no show.
0:03:13 > 0:03:16So, at great sacrifice, I'm taking a pay cut instead.
0:03:16 > 0:03:19I'm told it's very fashionable among men of a certain age
0:03:19 > 0:03:22in the BBC these days.
0:03:22 > 0:03:25Speaking of those who've failed to shine in the public
0:03:25 > 0:03:28or the private sector, I'm joined on the sofa tonight
0:03:28 > 0:03:33by two politicians who couldn't even get citizenship
0:03:33 > 0:03:34in Jacob Rees Mogg's vassal state.
0:03:34 > 0:03:38I speak of course of
0:03:38 > 0:03:44Alan #SadManonTheLeft Johnson and Anna #ProperTory Soubry.
0:03:44 > 0:03:50Welcome to you both.Anna, your moment of the week? Kaan Ayhan two?
0:03:50 > 0:03:58No. Tuesday, big moment of the week. A great site to see all those women,
0:03:58 > 0:04:04Tory women MPs. The celebration of almost all women getting the vote.
0:04:04 > 0:04:11100 years ago. I think it's quite interesting. I am a feminist but I
0:04:11 > 0:04:15don't wear my womanhood, if you like, in the jobs I have done, which
0:04:15 > 0:04:19have been mainly male dominated business, industry sec set. But
0:04:19 > 0:04:23these young Tory women were there with their rosettes and their
0:04:23 > 0:04:27Suffragette women's -- ribbons and they were proud of it. And then
0:04:27 > 0:04:32Harriet Harman, who has done so much for women in politics, really brave.
0:04:32 > 0:04:37Great stuff. And Theresa May, the second female Prime Minister just
0:04:37 > 0:04:42happens to be a Tory. She also has done a great deal.And glad we're
0:04:42 > 0:04:47not making any party political points.Alan? Normally I wouldn't
0:04:47 > 0:04:52talk about railways. I have to go back to your splendid introduction.
0:04:52 > 0:04:55For the 15 years this programme has been on I have travelled the east
0:04:55 > 0:05:02coast railway. I started off on Gianni. They lost the track --
0:05:02 > 0:05:04franchise. I was them with National Express, then someone else in the
0:05:04 > 0:05:15middle. Then I was back with a state owned East Coast rail line.
0:05:15 > 0:05:21owned East Coast rail line. Then it went to Stagecoach Virgin.
0:05:22 > 0:05:25went to Stagecoach Virgin.Anu, sorry for interrupting you.Now I'm
0:05:25 > 0:05:31into the next one. Chris Grayling came to parliament last week and
0:05:31 > 0:05:35said Stagecoach Virgin was wrapping up. But he could well give them an
0:05:35 > 0:05:40extension. It is the best argument, the east Coast, for taking the
0:05:40 > 0:05:45railways back into public ownership. And I am not a private sector bad,
0:05:45 > 0:05:48public sector good kind of politician. It is a kind of open
0:05:48 > 0:05:53door. It is the kind of thing that if Theresa May was going to do
0:05:53 > 0:05:56something radical, and that is a surprise, she would go down that
0:05:56 > 0:06:04route. Or that Railtrack.Good to have two nonparty political points.
0:06:04 > 0:06:07Kind of.
0:06:07 > 0:06:10It was former Tory Chancellor Nigel Lawson who said the NHS
0:06:10 > 0:06:12was the closest Britain had to a national religion,
0:06:12 > 0:06:14which folks criticised at their peril, and whose insatiable
0:06:14 > 0:06:19demand for more resources politicians had no
0:06:19 > 0:06:20choice but to feed.
0:06:20 > 0:06:23So when President Trump tweeted that the NHS was not working,
0:06:23 > 0:06:25there was predictable outrage from across the political spectrum
0:06:25 > 0:06:26at such ignorant blasphemy.
0:06:26 > 0:06:29Of course, it did not help that Mr Trump was using in evidence
0:06:29 > 0:06:33a British demonstration calling for more NHS, not less.
0:06:33 > 0:06:36Subtlety - or facts - is not always The Donald's strong suit.
0:06:36 > 0:06:38But did he have a point?
0:06:38 > 0:06:41Is the NHS really the envy of the world, as even Tory politicians
0:06:41 > 0:06:44like to claim these days?
0:06:44 > 0:06:46Here's Kate Andrews from the Institute of Economic Affairs
0:06:46 > 0:06:54with her Take of the Week.
0:07:07 > 0:07:10I'm rarely a fan of Donald Trump's provocative tweets.
0:07:10 > 0:07:14But this time he's got a point.
0:07:14 > 0:07:16He is wrong about the NHS protestors' motivations.
0:07:16 > 0:07:18Making him a troll of the highest order.
0:07:18 > 0:07:24But he's right that the NHS is on life support.
0:07:24 > 0:07:26Criticise the American system all you want.
0:07:26 > 0:07:34But health care provision isn't a black or white issue.
0:07:36 > 0:07:37And 28 million uninsured Americans are not proof
0:07:37 > 0:07:39the UK has a good system.
0:07:39 > 0:07:42Despite increased funding in real terms the NHS remains in critical
0:07:42 > 0:07:44condition in vital areas, from maternity wards to A&E.
0:07:44 > 0:07:48Winter flu caused yet another crisis, resolved only by cancelling
0:07:48 > 0:07:5250,000 operations in the first month of the year.
0:07:52 > 0:07:57Yet senior politicians are applauded for making ridiculous claims
0:07:57 > 0:08:00like the NHS is the envy of the world, when in reality it
0:08:00 > 0:08:03tends to rank in the bottom third of health system performance
0:08:03 > 0:08:05across the developed world.
0:08:05 > 0:08:08The UK invented the concept of universal coverage,
0:08:08 > 0:08:14meaning everyone has access to care regardless of ability to pay.
0:08:14 > 0:08:16We are told it in the DNA of the NHS.
0:08:16 > 0:08:17Great.
0:08:17 > 0:08:20But most of the developed world has adopted the principle of universal
0:08:20 > 0:08:22access through other means.
0:08:22 > 0:08:26The centralised bureaucratic monopoly that is the NHS is no
0:08:26 > 0:08:31longer the best medicine.
0:08:31 > 0:08:36It is a myth that we face a binary choice between the NHS and the USA.
0:08:36 > 0:08:39Both countries would do well to look at the social health insurance
0:08:39 > 0:08:45systems in Europe for prescriptions for better, patient-centric care.
0:08:45 > 0:08:49Who in their right mind could be outside Britain looking in and think
0:08:49 > 0:08:50this is a system worth emulating?
0:08:50 > 0:08:58Nobody in the developed world should envy the NHS, not even the USA.
0:09:04 > 0:09:10That was Kate Andrews. She joins us now. Welcome. Anna, if the NHS is
0:09:10 > 0:09:14the envy of the world, why hasn't another country copied it?I don't
0:09:14 > 0:09:20know the answer to that. I think it's good. I think when it works
0:09:20 > 0:09:27well, it's outstanding.That is true of anything if it works.No, with
0:09:27 > 0:09:32the NHS there is an idea that it is either pretty average if not pretty
0:09:32 > 0:09:39bad. There are problems.Let's take one problem. Cancer survival rates.
0:09:39 > 0:09:44They are not just worse than Scandinavia, America, Canada or
0:09:44 > 0:09:52Australia. For some cancers they are worse than Brazil and Costa Rica.
0:09:52 > 0:09:58And?Can't be that great if we can't be better than Costa Rica.I don't
0:09:58 > 0:10:02have the stats in front of me. But the advances that have been made
0:10:02 > 0:10:08have been terrific. What is the alternative? I think as a nation we
0:10:08 > 0:10:12like an NHS that is free at the point of delivery. It's part of our
0:10:12 > 0:10:16DNA. I don't think people want to change that. I'm not saying it
0:10:16 > 0:10:21doesn't need more money. We have to be honest about that. I'm not saying
0:10:21 > 0:10:24it doesn't need to work better. There are huge improvements that can
0:10:24 > 0:10:35be made.Let me bring Alan in.But I don't think it is bust.Bowel cancer
0:10:35 > 0:10:41survival rates, 17th in Europe, 30th and the world. Prostate cancer, 16th
0:10:41 > 0:10:46in Europe, 26th in the world. Breast cancer survival rates, 14th in
0:10:46 > 0:10:52Europe, with these statistics you can't be the envy of the world?No,
0:10:52 > 0:10:56but we shouldn't defend the NHS on the basis of some mythical, we are
0:10:56 > 0:11:00the envy of the world, we should base it on what it has done for the
0:11:00 > 0:11:03British people. What it has done more than anything else, and there
0:11:03 > 0:11:08are other countries, Sweden, Canada... Look at how difficult it
0:11:08 > 0:11:13was to change our system. When it was done by the Labour government
0:11:13 > 0:11:17they needed a landslide majority to do it. They were bitterly opposed by
0:11:17 > 0:11:23doctors. They were bitterly opposed by the opposition.Nothing to do
0:11:23 > 0:11:28with the performance now.You asked why nobody else had followed it.
0:11:28 > 0:11:31When you are trapped in the system you have got it is difficult to
0:11:31 > 0:11:36change to a new system. There is this issue of serenity, people's
0:11:36 > 0:11:39peace of mind. It is measured in terms of fairness by the
0:11:39 > 0:11:44Commonwealth fund in America, who put the NHS top. On the cancer
0:11:44 > 0:11:47survival rates, there are all sorts of issues about whether people
0:11:47 > 0:11:55report early. Let me give you instant mortality. The infant
0:11:55 > 0:11:58mortality in America is about where Britain was before the NHS was
0:11:58 > 0:12:05created. 26 deaths for every 100,000 births.I don't think anybody would
0:12:05 > 0:12:11say the American system is the envy of the world. It's probably a good
0:12:11 > 0:12:20idea not to follow it at all. Absolutely.Would these figures not
0:12:20 > 0:12:26be better if we spend more, if we were closer to the European average
0:12:26 > 0:12:35of spending?Possibly. I'm not fully opposed to putting more money in the
0:12:35 > 0:12:38NHS, but certainly not under the system it has no. You mentioned
0:12:38 > 0:12:42Sweden. Sweden has not copied the NHS like-for-like. There are
0:12:42 > 0:12:45significantly more private provisions. It is the same in
0:12:45 > 0:12:50Europe. The principle you are both highlighted is still so very
0:12:50 > 0:12:54important. America misses out on that. They have more market
0:12:54 > 0:12:59provisions. You don't have longer waiting times. You're better
0:12:59 > 0:13:03survival rates. Better preventative care. I am hearing America being
0:13:03 > 0:13:09held up as the strawman.
0:13:09 > 0:13:11held up as the strawman. Nobody wants the American system to be
0:13:11 > 0:13:14brought to the UK. Surely we have more to learn from Belgium,
0:13:14 > 0:13:18Switzerland, Germany or France. There is a lot to be learned,
0:13:18 > 0:13:22especially since the NHS really is lagging behind in Sunni areas.But
0:13:22 > 0:13:25if we learned from Sweden and Switzerland and other countries, and
0:13:25 > 0:13:30went to a social insurance system, which won't happen for reasons Anna
0:13:30 > 0:13:34says, but if we did, that is not going to improve cancer rates
0:13:34 > 0:13:41overnight.It will improve it much faster than under the NHS. I don't
0:13:41 > 0:13:46agree with that at all. This is not simply an issue of funding being cut
0:13:46 > 0:13:50recently. It has been lagging for decades.
0:13:50 > 0:13:56Why do you say it? Rig we need to talk about it, people are dying. I
0:13:56 > 0:14:00don't think people are not talking about it, I want to know what your
0:14:00 > 0:14:07solution is. Actually, I think our system, at its heart, and in theory,
0:14:07 > 0:14:11is absolutely right. Alan's point is critical. This idea, which is so
0:14:11 > 0:14:15important to Brits, you know it doesn't matter, it will be there for
0:14:15 > 0:14:20you.But he recognised that has been adopted...That is true in France as
0:14:20 > 0:14:28well. It is true in Belgium, Holland.That is the insurance
0:14:28 > 0:14:33model.That is not something we should fear monger about. Every
0:14:33 > 0:14:36single developed country in the world apart from America gives
0:14:36 > 0:14:39universal access to health care. Let's not fear monger about what is
0:14:39 > 0:14:44happening in Germany and Sweden, these are not scary systems.They
0:14:44 > 0:14:50check your insurance.The principle of universal access has been adopted
0:14:50 > 0:14:52by everybody, but the central bureaucratic system has not. That is
0:14:52 > 0:14:56why they get better outcomes. Can we not just look at these systems to
0:14:56 > 0:15:03get better care?We can get it with what we have got.YouTube are great
0:15:03 > 0:15:08Europeans. You were both Remainers. You think we have a lot to learn and
0:15:08 > 0:15:13be close to Europe. Why won't you learn from European health systems
0:15:13 > 0:15:18that have universal access and better outcomes than the NHS?They
0:15:18 > 0:15:26have better funding.Some do.Not all of them.Germany and France came
0:15:26 > 0:15:32below the Commonwealth fund. Politicians on both sides are always
0:15:32 > 0:15:37using it. It is the only one the NHS does well on. In the Commonwealth
0:15:37 > 0:15:44fund, it measures input, not output, not patient care. Indeed, on the
0:15:44 > 0:15:48patient care, an actual health outcomes, even on the Commonwealth
0:15:48 > 0:15:54fund, the NHS comes tenth out of 11th. The Guardian remarked on it,
0:15:54 > 0:15:59the only serious black mark against the NHS, in Commonwealth fund
0:15:59 > 0:16:04research, was its poor record of keeping people alive.America came
0:16:04 > 0:16:1211th, by the way.Why not Germany, Belgium!You are saying that Trump
0:16:12 > 0:16:17has a point, are we supposed to talk about Sweden when he said that?Yes,
0:16:17 > 0:16:21his whole point is that the NHS is failing, that does not make America
0:16:21 > 0:16:25any better. I am from America, I'm not coming over saying to adopt the
0:16:25 > 0:16:30American system. As I said on the video, I wish both countries would
0:16:30 > 0:16:33look at Switzerland. Let's stop painting it as a black-and-white
0:16:33 > 0:16:37decision, it is not about the USA against the NHS.The Commonwealth
0:16:37 > 0:16:41and is the only one that measures things like health in equality,
0:16:41 > 0:16:45fairness, how it affects the poorest in society.What is fair about
0:16:45 > 0:16:52thousands of European people surviving, the fact that 30,000 more
0:16:52 > 0:16:56people in Germany every year will survive the five most common types
0:16:56 > 0:17:00of cancer?When you quote that, as if the NHS was very keen for people
0:17:00 > 0:17:08to die of cancer...Of the course they are not.It is people going to
0:17:08 > 0:17:11their GP, particularly men...You need access to the GP, shorter
0:17:11 > 0:17:18waiting times.Please do not tell me that you don't...The waiting times
0:17:18 > 0:17:21in this country are appalling compared to European counterparts.
0:17:21 > 0:17:27Depends where you live. Certain GP surgeries like mine, I can see my GP
0:17:27 > 0:17:32if I want to, on the morning that I ring up and can get in straightaway.
0:17:32 > 0:17:36It depends where you live.That does not sound like a postcode lottery is
0:17:36 > 0:17:42a fair system. He is talking about fairness, but you are talking about
0:17:42 > 0:17:47a postcode lottery.You made a generalisation.You have both talked
0:17:47 > 0:17:54about GP appointments. The European health consumer index, done by real
0:17:54 > 0:18:00specialists, it ranks the NHS 15th in terms of health care in the EU.
0:18:00 > 0:18:06We are around Slovakia and Portugal. It says, in terms of same day GP
0:18:06 > 0:18:11appointments, access to specialists or waiting for routine surgery, in
0:18:11 > 0:18:16Europe, only island does worse. There is a real issue about access
0:18:16 > 0:18:23to GP surgeries. There is a real issue of waiting times with surgery.
0:18:23 > 0:18:29There is an issue, 40,000 nursing vacancies. There is an issue about
0:18:29 > 0:18:35how by 2020 it will be 6.6% of our wealth. It is higher in every other
0:18:35 > 0:18:40European country, and below the OECD average. They are not reasons why we
0:18:40 > 0:18:47should say...Are they scrapping it? A system where if people are ill,
0:18:47 > 0:18:51they get care immediately, does not mean we should scrap that.Wendy
0:18:51 > 0:18:57Tony Blair government was increasing health spending in real terms, by
0:18:57 > 0:19:02about 5 billion per year, you did begin to see real improvements
0:19:02 > 0:19:09taking place. This government has not increased by anything like that.
0:19:09 > 0:19:13If we did fund by the European average, with some of the figures,
0:19:13 > 0:19:17not good figures that I quoted, would they not come better?As I
0:19:17 > 0:19:21said, I think you can look at increasing funding. But it is a
0:19:21 > 0:19:24secondary issue to the broken system. Under the Tony Blair years
0:19:24 > 0:19:30we saw some improvements. Even during those years, fortunately, the
0:19:30 > 0:19:34NHS still fell below the European counterparts. I am open to that
0:19:34 > 0:19:39discussion. I am not being a radical or an ideologue, but I so
0:19:39 > 0:19:41desperately wish that politicians, sitting across from me, would be
0:19:41 > 0:19:46willing to engage on Germany, Switzerland and France, because it
0:19:46 > 0:19:50is not just the fact...I think we are willing to engage.We have run
0:19:50 > 0:19:57out of time. Thank you very much. Good discussion. Lively! That is why
0:19:57 > 0:19:59people watch This Week.
0:19:59 > 0:20:00It's late.
0:20:00 > 0:20:01Stephen Kinnock and Damian Green late.
0:20:01 > 0:20:04These unlikely lads have been having a delicious Twitter spat over
0:20:04 > 0:20:06what Mr Kinnock calls his "24-hour hunger strike" to campaign
0:20:06 > 0:20:09for proportional representation.
0:20:09 > 0:20:14They really are suckers for lost causes in the Kinnock family.
0:20:14 > 0:20:17Mr Green, erstwhile deputy to the Maybot and now clearly
0:20:17 > 0:20:18with time on his hands, dismissed the protest
0:20:18 > 0:20:20as "little more than a diet".
0:20:20 > 0:20:23Probably a variant of the 5:2 diet.
0:20:23 > 0:20:26No doubt delirious from the pangs of hunger and fearful
0:20:26 > 0:20:30that the Commons Canteen was preparing to force feed him,
0:20:30 > 0:20:32Mr Kinnock snapped back that he was "glad to see"
0:20:32 > 0:20:37that the unfortunate Mr Green "was using his computer for Twitter"
0:20:37 > 0:20:40instead of anything which might have previously got him into trouble.
0:20:40 > 0:20:43Absolutely no idea what he's referring to there!
0:20:43 > 0:20:45Stephen Kinnock said he'd been inspired by the suffragette
0:20:45 > 0:20:50movement, which had a big anniversary this week.
0:20:50 > 0:20:53And we do live in an age when a little virtue
0:20:53 > 0:20:57signalling goes a long way.
0:20:57 > 0:21:00But someone who's perhaps - just perhaps - this is no time
0:21:00 > 0:21:03to go out on a limb - in a better position to comment
0:21:03 > 0:21:06on equal rights, is the singer and Celebrity Big Brother winner,
0:21:06 > 0:21:11Courtney Act who, is tonight putting gender politics in the Spotlight.
0:21:11 > 0:21:14And, if you'd like to comment on the Tweeter, the Fleecebook,
0:21:14 > 0:21:15and the Snapnumpty, then be my guest.
0:21:15 > 0:21:18I'm sure someone will read them.
0:21:18 > 0:21:21Me, I'm consumed by indifference.
0:21:21 > 0:21:24I'd rather fire myself into space in an unmanned rocket,
0:21:24 > 0:21:26with only a dummy astronaut and a David Bowie LP
0:21:26 > 0:21:27to keep me company.
0:21:27 > 0:21:33At least I'd get a bit of peace.
0:21:33 > 0:21:34And better conversation!
0:21:34 > 0:21:37Beware three-legged poodles!
0:21:37 > 0:21:41We learned this week that Theresa May had one as a child.
0:21:41 > 0:21:43Sadly the family pet had gone "tri-pedal",
0:21:43 > 0:21:45following an altercation with a car.
0:21:45 > 0:21:47But despite a few wobbles, the little creature adapted
0:21:47 > 0:21:53and was apparently great.
0:21:53 > 0:21:56Until she lost it in the wheat field she was always illicitly running
0:21:56 > 0:21:59through when she was a wee scallywag.
0:22:00 > 0:22:03Could there be a lesson in this for the big dogs,
0:22:03 > 0:22:05sniffing around Number 10 at the moment?
0:22:05 > 0:22:08Despite being knocked sideways by all and sundry as she holds
0:22:08 > 0:22:12on grimly to the Brexit Bandwagon, the Maybot is still standing.
0:22:12 > 0:22:14The Tories are even four points ahead of Labour
0:22:14 > 0:22:18in a new poll out today.
0:22:18 > 0:22:21A hundred years on from some women first getting the vote,
0:22:21 > 0:22:24politics is still a pretty bruising business for men and women.
0:22:24 > 0:22:27Here's the Telegraph's Kate McCann with her round-up of the week.
0:22:33 > 0:22:36Well, I'll say one thing for This Week.
0:22:36 > 0:22:39Man or woman, girl or boy, they treat us all the same
0:22:39 > 0:22:41- appallingly!
0:22:41 > 0:22:45They said they'd be here hours ago to help me with this round-up.
0:22:45 > 0:22:46Oh, well.
0:22:46 > 0:22:49I'd best get started.
0:23:03 > 0:23:07The week began with a fresh salvo over anti-Brexit bias on Whitehall.
0:23:07 > 0:23:13Former head of the civil service Gus O'Donnell
0:23:13 > 0:23:15showed his own impartiality when he compared pro-Brexit
0:23:15 > 0:23:16ministers to snake oil salesmen.
0:23:16 > 0:23:20He came back swinging later in the House of Lords when he said
0:23:20 > 0:23:21the attacks were a form of bullying.
0:23:21 > 0:23:24Those making allegations without supporting evidence,
0:23:24 > 0:23:28against serving civil servants who will not respond,
0:23:28 > 0:23:30are undertaking a form of bullying that, to be honest,
0:23:30 > 0:23:38is something which actually diminishes those making the attacks.
0:23:39 > 0:23:44But I think, more importantly, damages our democracy.
0:23:44 > 0:23:47Now, any mandarins worried about Brexit could take a leaf out
0:23:47 > 0:23:48of David Davis's book.
0:23:48 > 0:23:51The Brexit Secretary turned up for the second
0:23:51 > 0:23:54phase of talks this week, claiming he was perfectly clear
0:23:54 > 0:23:56about what he wants from the EU.
0:23:56 > 0:23:59Atta boy, DD!
0:23:59 > 0:24:01We want a comprehensive free trade agreement, and with it,
0:24:01 > 0:24:04a customs agreement.
0:24:04 > 0:24:07And to make that as frictionless as possible, to make as much trade
0:24:07 > 0:24:09that currently exists as free as possible.
0:24:09 > 0:24:11While still giving ourselves the opportunity to make free trade
0:24:11 > 0:24:15deals with the rest of the world.
0:24:15 > 0:24:17Unfortunately, the EU was equally clear that DD
0:24:17 > 0:24:19can't have it both ways.
0:24:19 > 0:24:21Oi, you!
0:24:21 > 0:24:24The 5-0!
0:24:26 > 0:24:34The only thing I can say, without a customs union,
0:24:35 > 0:24:37outside the single market, barriers to trade and goods,
0:24:37 > 0:24:44and services, are unavoidable.
0:24:44 > 0:24:52The time has come to make a choice.
0:24:53 > 0:24:56The PM has probably done enough to placate her pro-Brexit
0:24:56 > 0:24:58backbenchers, at least for now.
0:24:58 > 0:25:01And that just leaves the Remainers, who are not going quietly.
0:25:01 > 0:25:05This week, Anna Soubry had some helpful advice for the PM.
0:25:05 > 0:25:08Labour's front bench itself is ideological.
0:25:08 > 0:25:12My front bench probably isn't, but it's in hock to 35 hard
0:25:12 > 0:25:16ideological Brexiteers who are not Tories.
0:25:16 > 0:25:19They are not the Tory party that I joined 40 years ago,
0:25:19 > 0:25:24and it's about time Theresa stood up to them and slung them out.
0:25:24 > 0:25:31Because they have taken down Major, they took down Cameron.
0:25:31 > 0:25:34The PM explained she's got a different approach to leadership
0:25:34 > 0:25:39than some of her male predecessors.
0:25:39 > 0:25:41Women will often have a different approach to leadership,
0:25:41 > 0:25:47will often have a different approach to doing a job from a man.
0:25:47 > 0:25:49Just because it is different, it doesn't mean it doesn't
0:25:49 > 0:25:51get the same results.
0:25:51 > 0:25:52Wait a minute, she expects the same result.
0:25:52 > 0:25:54Oh, my Maastricht.
0:25:54 > 0:25:58Leadership is all about carrying the can.
0:25:58 > 0:26:00And discredit where discredit's due, this week Carillion bosses
0:26:00 > 0:26:03were in front of MPs to explain what went wrong at the
0:26:03 > 0:26:04government contractor.
0:26:04 > 0:26:06Where have I put my keys?
0:26:06 > 0:26:08What is your responsibility for this collapse?
0:26:08 > 0:26:10Full and complete.
0:26:10 > 0:26:10Total?
0:26:10 > 0:26:11Total.
0:26:11 > 0:26:13Very good.
0:26:13 > 0:26:16There is no question in my mind about that.
0:26:16 > 0:26:24Not necessarily culpability, but full responsibility.
0:26:24 > 0:26:27Elsewhere, Stagecoach and Virgin pulled of operating
0:26:27 > 0:26:32the East Coast Mainline earlier than expected.
0:26:32 > 0:26:34And, at the same time, the Government has awarded them
0:26:34 > 0:26:36the contract to operate the West Coast Mainline.
0:26:36 > 0:26:38Labour weren't happy about it.
0:26:38 > 0:26:39Virgin Stagecoach failed to deliver on their contract
0:26:39 > 0:26:46on the east coast route.
0:26:46 > 0:26:47No problem!
0:26:47 > 0:26:52The Government will step in and bail them out,
0:26:52 > 0:26:55kissing goodbye to the £2 billion Virgin had previously agreed to pay.
0:26:55 > 0:26:57But, guess what?
0:26:57 > 0:27:00Let's just give both companies a new contract to run
0:27:00 > 0:27:01the West Coast line as well.
0:27:01 > 0:27:03Listening to the Secretary of State's statement, I didn't know
0:27:03 > 0:27:10whether to laugh or cry.
0:27:12 > 0:27:15At Prime Minister's Questions, Jeremy Corbyn went on police cuts.
0:27:15 > 0:27:21The PM attacked Corbyn's economic credibility.
0:27:21 > 0:27:24After seven years, seven years of cuts, will the Prime Minister
0:27:24 > 0:27:26today admit that her Government's relentless cuts to police,
0:27:26 > 0:27:34probation services and social services have left us less safe?
0:27:35 > 0:27:41The reality is, you can't have public safety on the cheap.
0:27:41 > 0:27:44You can only pay for our public services if you
0:27:44 > 0:27:45have a strong economy.
0:27:45 > 0:27:49And what would we see with the Labour Party?
0:27:49 > 0:27:56Capital flight or a run on the pound.
0:27:56 > 0:27:59That is what Labour would do, bankrupt Britain and the police
0:27:59 > 0:28:02would have less money and a Labour than under the Conservatives.
0:28:02 > 0:28:03Something is working for her.
0:28:03 > 0:28:05The latest YouGov poll shows the Tories four
0:28:05 > 0:28:07points ahead of Labour, despite a tricky couple of weeks.
0:28:07 > 0:28:08Never mind, Jeremy.
0:28:08 > 0:28:10Gerry Adams thinks you would be a good PM.
0:28:10 > 0:28:13Put that on your posters!
0:28:13 > 0:28:17I would like to see Jeremy in that position, for the benefit
0:28:17 > 0:28:19of people in Britain, leaving Ireland out of it.
0:28:19 > 0:28:20I think Jeremy is an outstanding politician.
0:28:20 > 0:28:27I hope my endorsement of him isn't used against him in the time ahead.
0:28:27 > 0:28:32You know what?
0:28:32 > 0:28:33We've come so far.
0:28:33 > 0:28:35The vote, and, 100 years on, equal pay.
0:28:35 > 0:28:36Well, not actually equal, legally.
0:28:36 > 0:28:38Harassment free workplaces?
0:28:38 > 0:28:40Hmm.
0:28:40 > 0:28:48A woman's work is never done.
0:28:55 > 0:28:59And that was Kate in black and white. Here she is in colour.
0:28:59 > 0:29:07Welcome. Alan, where the Tories four points ahead in this latest opinion
0:29:07 > 0:29:16poll?A very good question. I don't know but I saw this focus group
0:29:16 > 0:29:19response about, who would you trust to look after your house if you were
0:29:19 > 0:29:24away? People went overwhelmingly for Theresa May. Who would you have look
0:29:24 > 0:29:31after your pets? Jeremy Corbyn. There is a message there that the
0:29:31 > 0:29:34compassion side isn't getting through to the hard-headed if you
0:29:34 > 0:29:40want to run the country. We should be storming it and we are not. This
0:29:40 > 0:29:44is a message for those people losing to think we won the last election.
0:29:44 > 0:29:49Add to that the fact sectarian politics are coming back. Momentum
0:29:49 > 0:29:54are taking over the NEC. They are taking over all the levers of power.
0:29:54 > 0:30:02For those of us who remember, this smacks very much like the early 80s.
0:30:02 > 0:30:04And that intolerance, that divisiveness, we have seen it in
0:30:04 > 0:30:08Haringey Council and all of that, I don't think it does is any good.
0:30:08 > 0:30:14Neither should it.What does he know that he is not telling us?He has
0:30:14 > 0:30:21just said it. He is more subtle than I am. The problem is Jeremy Corbyn.
0:30:21 > 0:30:27Is that right?I'm reluctant to say because of what happened at the last
0:30:27 > 0:30:33election. That was good. We have hoovered the votes on the left. The
0:30:33 > 0:30:37Greens have hollowed out. Respect have disappeared. They won a
0:30:37 > 0:30:41by-election not so long ago. We have even got the SWP walking about with
0:30:41 > 0:30:52banners. Saying back Corbyn. The day when the Trotskyites are saying back
0:30:52 > 0:30:55the leader of the Labour Party, you know you are in trouble. He has the
0:30:55 > 0:30:58votes on the left. Is there the capacity to win over the people who
0:30:58 > 0:31:05voted Tory last time? No. It is difficult to imagine.Is Mrs May
0:31:05 > 0:31:11doing better than the Westminster bubble thinks?I think so. Anna and
0:31:11 > 0:31:15I were talking about it. It is probably because Theresa May is
0:31:15 > 0:31:19confident talking about women's issues, things like the suffragettes
0:31:19 > 0:31:22and getting women into Parliament. She didn't really good speech in
0:31:22 > 0:31:26Manchester this week were to give some insight into her own feelings
0:31:26 > 0:31:30about being a woman, being a leader. When she said, you don't have to
0:31:30 > 0:31:37behave like a man to get on, I think for her to show that side, that
0:31:37 > 0:31:41compassion, that personality, that is really positive for her. She
0:31:41 > 0:31:47clearly felt confident doing it.She has a great track record.You call
0:31:47 > 0:31:52the Mrs May to stand up to 35 hardline Brexiteers and sling them
0:31:52 > 0:31:58out. How would that work?She has to stand up to these people. Had used
0:31:58 > 0:32:06Lingen held? She has got to put them absolutely in their place. -- how do
0:32:06 > 0:32:13you sling them out?You said sling them out, there's -- they were your
0:32:13 > 0:32:19words.I'm deeply frustrated. I joined the party 40 years ago where
0:32:19 > 0:32:24I was fighting these people. They brought down to leaders of my party
0:32:24 > 0:32:30and they have not been sorted out. You rejoined the Tory party when
0:32:30 > 0:32:36Iain Duncan Smith was later.And he was slung out.He was hardly your
0:32:36 > 0:32:42kind of progressive Tory.Hang on, I joined the Tory party because he did
0:32:42 > 0:32:46not represent the majority of Conservative voters. That is why he
0:32:46 > 0:32:50was removed as leader. He didn't do that and he didn't do a very good
0:32:50 > 0:32:58job. My one nation conservatism is 40 years old. And actually, quite
0:32:58 > 0:33:02interestingly, it's exactly the same conservatism of my parents who met
0:33:02 > 0:33:08in the Young Conservatives.But you left the Tory party?I did.Uber
0:33:08 > 0:33:15going to join the social Democrats. I wasn't, actually.You wrote a
0:33:15 > 0:33:22letter to the Times.My name was on it. But I never actually...Are you
0:33:22 > 0:33:29telling us tonight now that you don't think Mrs May should sling out
0:33:29 > 0:33:35these Brexiteers?I'm using that as an absolute metaphor for sorting of
0:33:35 > 0:33:40this party in the state it is in. For decades there has been a group
0:33:40 > 0:33:43of people, in my opinion they are not true conservatives, who have put
0:33:43 > 0:33:50forward their very narrow view on Europe at all costs. I don't think
0:33:50 > 0:33:54to reset appreciates that if they don't get what they want, nobody, no
0:33:54 > 0:34:01party will stand in the way of their hard Brexit. They are ruthless macro
0:34:01 > 0:34:05-- they're ruthless. They're organised.But he wouldn't sling
0:34:05 > 0:34:12them out?I don't want these people to be doing the harm they have done
0:34:12 > 0:34:15to the Conservative Party.The Prime Minister took the Tory whip away
0:34:15 > 0:34:20from them, the government would fall, wouldn't it?If it comes to
0:34:20 > 0:34:26it, and it will come to it, something is going to happen. At the
0:34:26 > 0:34:31moment to reset thinks she can keep us together. To reset thinks she can
0:34:31 > 0:34:37build a compromise. I admire her for ambition. I think you underestimate
0:34:37 > 0:34:40these people because when it comes to the crunch could they don't get
0:34:40 > 0:34:46what they want, they will vote her down and they will remove her.If
0:34:46 > 0:34:48she did sling them out, she would lose out as well. The government
0:34:48 > 0:34:59would fall, wouldn't it?Yes, it would.Not on Brexit. Do forgive me.
0:34:59 > 0:35:04No, I think it is time for Kate.I think the problem you're underlining
0:35:04 > 0:35:08here is that there will come a point, and we are quickly reaching
0:35:08 > 0:35:12it, were Conservatives feel that Brexit is more important than their
0:35:12 > 0:35:19party. That is on both sides. Anna's site and Jacob Rees-Mogg's side.
0:35:19 > 0:35:24When that happens, Theresa May faces a real problem. When the party is no
0:35:24 > 0:35:27longer the most important thing to people in it, that is when you see a
0:35:27 > 0:35:36split. That is coming. Both sides of the argument have their right to say
0:35:36 > 0:35:40because, of course, when the Brexit vote happened, nobody is set out
0:35:40 > 0:35:44what the picture was going to be like when we left. Both sides are
0:35:44 > 0:35:48vying to determine what that is.The big differences -- differences that
0:35:48 > 0:35:54I am a pragmatic Tory so I will always compromise. These people
0:35:54 > 0:35:58want. They will use any tactic available to them to quash the
0:35:58 > 0:36:03argument and get what they want.If it comes to a vote on the eventual
0:36:03 > 0:36:09deal that is done on Brexit, will you still vote for it even if it
0:36:09 > 0:36:13doesn't include being in the Customs Union?I could do that, if it is in
0:36:13 > 0:36:20the round and delivers a good deal. This is a mark of my pragmatism. It
0:36:20 > 0:36:25depends what else it had with it. To be honest, it is difficult to
0:36:25 > 0:36:29imagine, especially after these figures, first of all how Theresa
0:36:29 > 0:36:33May is going to get these magic deals. But secondly, it's difficult
0:36:33 > 0:36:39to believe how getting membership of the single market, getting
0:36:39 > 0:36:41membership of the Customs Union, not getting that will have the benefits
0:36:41 > 0:36:47to our economy.I understand that. It is interesting that you may still
0:36:47 > 0:36:58vote for that. Is it not remarkable... Is not remarkable,
0:36:58 > 0:37:02Alan, that 19 months after the referendum, almost a year since
0:37:02 > 0:37:06Article 50 was triggered, with only nine months of negotiations left,
0:37:06 > 0:37:14this Tory government still hasn't agreed its position?It is quite
0:37:14 > 0:37:18amazing. You can see some kind of logic. I read DfT last week saying
0:37:18 > 0:37:24that of course we are now heading for a soft Brexit. I read Ian Martin
0:37:24 > 0:37:28today saying we're heading for a hard Brexit. She is trying to keep
0:37:28 > 0:37:35those views in play. She is either a genius, which I doubt, in smoothing
0:37:35 > 0:37:39over this. She has a tough job, to be fair. But that is the frustration
0:37:39 > 0:37:47of the Europeans. They still don't know what we want.Allen, being a
0:37:47 > 0:37:50benign chap, has raised the possibility she is a genius. I would
0:37:50 > 0:37:56raise a more likely probability that she is just taking indecision to new
0:37:56 > 0:38:02heights.I think that is more likely. The problem is when you have
0:38:02 > 0:38:08a vacuum of that magnitude it is going to be filled. It is being sold
0:38:08 > 0:38:14on both sides of the argument.In her defence, I know what she wants
0:38:14 > 0:38:18to do is keep us together. I think that is impossible.What is more
0:38:18 > 0:38:26likely? 35 Brexiteers being slung out of the Tory party, or are you
0:38:26 > 0:38:34defecting to the Lib Dems?Now you are being a silly Billy X not going
0:38:34 > 0:38:41to the Lib Dems.You heard it there first.What about Labour?Yeah, I'm
0:38:41 > 0:38:47really going to join Jeremy Corbyn, aren't I?!
0:38:47 > 0:38:49So happy birthday women's suffrage.
0:38:49 > 0:38:51It was a hundred years ago, this week in 1918,
0:38:51 > 0:38:54that the Representation of the People Act was passed.
0:38:54 > 0:38:56This rather grudging piece of legislation first granted
0:38:56 > 0:38:59women the right to vote - but only if they were over 30,
0:38:59 > 0:39:01and only if they owned property.
0:39:01 > 0:39:05The act also gave over five million working class men the vote as well,
0:39:05 > 0:39:07though we've heard very little about that, even though
0:39:07 > 0:39:10it was almost as significant in its own way.
0:39:10 > 0:39:13These were the folks who'd been sent to the trenches in 1914,
0:39:13 > 0:39:17by a government they'd played no part in choosing.
0:39:17 > 0:39:20Never again.
0:39:20 > 0:39:23Over the past 100 years, the world has changed more
0:39:23 > 0:39:26than in the previous 1,000 years, nearly always for the better.
0:39:26 > 0:39:28We've flown to the moon, created the inter web,
0:39:28 > 0:39:31mapped our genome, defeated fascism and communism, seen the spread
0:39:31 > 0:39:36of democracy and taken hundred of millions out of abject poverty.
0:39:36 > 0:39:41Yet proper gender equality still seems to elude us.
0:39:41 > 0:39:43If you doubt that, look at the under-representation
0:39:43 > 0:39:49of women in the Commons, or in FTSE 100 boardrooms.
0:39:49 > 0:39:51Look at the unequal pay scales, or the soft porn that
0:39:51 > 0:39:53passes for pop videos.
0:39:53 > 0:39:55Look at Harvey Weinstein.
0:39:55 > 0:40:02So, tonight, we're putting gender politics in the Spotlight.
0:40:11 > 0:40:15Women fought hard for voting rights.
0:40:15 > 0:40:19Some people had the most ghastly treatment.
0:40:19 > 0:40:22But a century on, the battle for gender equality still rages.
0:40:22 > 0:40:24We do not yet have equality.
0:40:24 > 0:40:27We are a long way from equal power.
0:40:27 > 0:40:28The fight for equality never ends.
0:40:28 > 0:40:33It is just beginning for a female Tesco workers.
0:40:33 > 0:40:36Our job is of equal value to the job the men do
0:40:36 > 0:40:39in the distribution centres.
0:40:39 > 0:40:46I think the similarities are such that we should be paid the same.
0:40:46 > 0:40:48But do equal rights eradicate gender differences altogether?
0:40:48 > 0:40:53Women often bring a different approach to politics than do men.
0:40:53 > 0:40:54Does that different approach include mansplaining?
0:40:54 > 0:40:57It's so useful to be corrected by a helpful gentleman here.
0:40:57 > 0:41:00How about a bit of good old confrontation?
0:41:00 > 0:41:03While I've got you here, John, can I just ask,
0:41:03 > 0:41:06have you apologised to Carrie Gracie for the remarks you made
0:41:06 > 0:41:09about her stance on equal pay?
0:41:09 > 0:41:12I wrote her an e-mail immediately after that exchange, yes I did,
0:41:12 > 0:41:13as a matter of fact.
0:41:13 > 0:41:15I'm very glad to hear that.
0:41:15 > 0:41:18Quite what this has to do with what we are discussing
0:41:18 > 0:41:19here, I fail to see.
0:41:19 > 0:41:21But there we are.
0:41:21 > 0:41:24Superman gave a masterclass in mansplaining this week.
0:41:24 > 0:41:26Maternal love is the love that's going to change
0:41:26 > 0:41:30the future of mankind.
0:41:30 > 0:41:33We like to say peoplekind, not necessarily mankind.
0:41:33 > 0:41:34It's more inclusive.
0:41:34 > 0:41:36There we go, exactly!
0:41:36 > 0:41:39Well JT, I'm afraid that probably means you're not
0:41:39 > 0:41:40going to like this news.
0:41:40 > 0:41:47Girl power is back.
0:41:47 > 0:41:50Courtney Act is the Spice Girls' number one fan.
0:41:50 > 0:41:53Ladies and gentlemen, it's Courtney!
0:41:53 > 0:42:01So is gender a useful dividing line in politics?
0:42:05 > 0:42:11Courtney is here. Welcome.Thanks for having me. Are we getting to
0:42:11 > 0:42:17honk up on gender politics? It can be fairly -- very polarising. I
0:42:17 > 0:42:21think the conversation needs to be had because it is easy to say we are
0:42:21 > 0:42:25to honk up and stop the evolution. There is still a lot of stuff that
0:42:25 > 0:42:30needs to be looked at. I sometimes wear there is yelling too loudly
0:42:30 > 0:42:36from opposite sides of the room to move forward.It is getting
0:42:36 > 0:42:41complicated. You identify yourself as gender queer, have I got that
0:42:41 > 0:42:49right?Yeah.Have I got that right? Yeah. I grew up confused about how I
0:42:49 > 0:42:55fit into the world as a male bodied person who by day wasn't all that
0:42:55 > 0:43:00masculine. I grew up in Australia. These masculine ideals and feminine
0:43:00 > 0:43:06ideals that were sort of thrust upon us. I never really felt like I was
0:43:06 > 0:43:14masculine enough. I do drag. I would sort of be able by day and I felt
0:43:14 > 0:43:19like I didn't fit in. I wasn't quite right. All through my 20s I
0:43:19 > 0:43:24struggled. A few years ago I had -- heard gender queer being bandied
0:43:24 > 0:43:29around. I realised there was a place where my phone amended -- femininity
0:43:29 > 0:43:35and masculinity could be celebrated. That doesn't just mean dressing as a
0:43:35 > 0:43:40woman or a man. As a boy, expressing my feminine side. I used to feel
0:43:40 > 0:43:46comfortable wearing the colour pink as a boy. To me, this socialised
0:43:46 > 0:43:51idea of men and woman really impacted me, even though I'm
0:43:51 > 0:43:55probably a lot further left than most people.You said we have made
0:43:55 > 0:44:01progress, that is clear. But it still seems a struggle. We make
0:44:01 > 0:44:06progress in some areas but then we seem to go backwards or hit a brick
0:44:06 > 0:44:12wall in others. Why is it such a struggle?I think the issue comes in
0:44:12 > 0:44:18the style of argument. When people are having a conversation they are
0:44:18 > 0:44:23not listening, they are not listening to other people's
0:44:23 > 0:44:27experiences enough. They are quick to say, this is my experience. That
0:44:27 > 0:44:33must be what everybody's experiences. And not just that, but
0:44:33 > 0:44:36I think people get passionate about things, which is good. But when they
0:44:36 > 0:44:40get passionate they stopped the give and take and flow of the
0:44:40 > 0:44:44conversation.Because you feel so strongly about it you don't listen
0:44:44 > 0:44:51to the other side?Year. And not just on gender but in politics.Is
0:44:51 > 0:44:57it a case of two steps forward, one step back?
0:44:57 > 0:45:04Having grown up in an age where women were treated badly, to be gay
0:45:04 > 0:45:09was to be chemically castrated by the state, these changes, in your
0:45:09 > 0:45:13lifetime as well, they have been remarkable. Why is it so difficult?
0:45:13 > 0:45:17Because women were not supposed to be in the workplace at the time I
0:45:17 > 0:45:22was born. Trade unions used to object to women.Really? In the old
0:45:22 > 0:45:27days, the TUC was male dominated. Now they have a female general
0:45:27 > 0:45:36secretary.It took a long time.Are you optimistic?I worry, this
0:45:36 > 0:45:38wretched dining club thing that happened the other week really
0:45:38 > 0:45:45shocked me. 2018 and women, young women, were still be used as bait
0:45:45 > 0:45:49for old and powerful men. I am the mother of two daughters, and I think
0:45:49 > 0:45:55they are pretty strong cookies, I think that generation has got some
0:45:55 > 0:45:59of the better attitudes. But I still worry about what young women really
0:45:59 > 0:46:04are. I worry about how to many of them are still self harming, too
0:46:04 > 0:46:14many of them have problems with food. We see a rise in issues with
0:46:14 > 0:46:17body image and self-confidence. That worries me. I think we have to get
0:46:17 > 0:46:26that stuff right.You are going to work, is that right? Where are you
0:46:26 > 0:46:31going?Tonight? I am going to a club and dancing around on stage,
0:46:31 > 0:46:37performing.We thought we worked late! This is early for you? We are
0:46:37 > 0:46:41glad you found time for us. It has been great to see you and listen to
0:46:41 > 0:46:42you.
0:46:42 > 0:46:44That's your lot tonight. But not for us.
0:46:44 > 0:46:47Inspired by Donald Trump's plans to imitate President Macron's
0:46:47 > 0:46:49Bastille Day military parade, we're upstaging both with our very
0:46:49 > 0:46:53own This Week parade.
0:46:53 > 0:46:55A dozen red, white and blue Sinclair C5s are revved up
0:46:55 > 0:46:57and raring to go outside the studio.
0:46:57 > 0:47:00Choc-full of Blue Nun and parked on double-yellows.
0:47:00 > 0:47:03That's how cavalier we are.
0:47:03 > 0:47:05Biggles Soubry is taking to the skies over Westminster
0:47:05 > 0:47:07to perform, once again, her famous loop de loop
0:47:07 > 0:47:12in the Newsnight microlite.
0:47:12 > 0:47:15While Corporal Johnson is leading the Dagenham Girl Pipers down
0:47:15 > 0:47:23Whitehall, in a rousing rendition of Things Can Only Get Better.
0:47:23 > 0:47:24Remember that?
0:47:24 > 0:47:27We've hidden his guitar, but I hear he's nicked
0:47:27 > 0:47:29some spoons from the BBC canteen so he can play along.
0:47:29 > 0:47:31Anyway, we're off and we're not stopping till we
0:47:31 > 0:47:32make it to Loulou's.
0:47:32 > 0:47:33Nighty-night.
0:47:33 > 0:47:35Don't let the shenanigans of the Irish Parliament bite.
0:47:52 > 0:48:00One minute!Order!
0:48:03 > 0:48:08ALL SHOUT AT ONCE
0:48:08 > 0:48:14That's outrageous!
0:48:14 > 0:48:22ALL SHOUT AT ONCE
0:48:26 > 0:48:36I'm going to move on. Control yourself! Control yourself!
0:48:36 > 0:48:44Deputies, I will take action.
0:48:45 > 0:48:58You all so in violation of regulations. I suspend the house!
0:48:58 > 0:49:04You will not speak to the chair like that!I can speak to anybody...I
0:49:04 > 0:49:10suspend the house for five minutes.