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0:00:06 > 0:00:08Tonight on This Week, we attempt to answer

0:00:08 > 0:00:09all the big questions.

0:00:09 > 0:00:11Like, where has all the chicken gone?

0:00:11 > 0:00:16No!

0:00:16 > 0:00:18Deep fat fryer Jane Moore rounds up a finger-licking

0:00:18 > 0:00:21good political week.

0:00:21 > 0:00:24This chicken looks so yummy.

0:00:24 > 0:00:29And unlike KFC, these guys have actually got some.

0:00:29 > 0:00:35Sorry, mate.

0:00:35 > 0:00:38George "Pluck Pluck" Galloway ruffles a few feathers and looks

0:00:38 > 0:00:41forward to a Jezza foreign policy.

0:00:41 > 0:00:43Labour shouldn't clip their diplomatic wings by chickening

0:00:43 > 0:00:51out on a hard Brexit.

0:00:51 > 0:00:54And cocky comedian Geoff Norcott thinks we've all gone

0:00:54 > 0:01:00mother clucking crazy.

0:01:00 > 0:01:02Michael and Liz, you boneless dips.

0:01:02 > 0:01:04Get your family buckets to the ready.

0:01:04 > 0:01:11This Week's come home to roost.

0:01:14 > 0:01:15Evenin' all.

0:01:15 > 0:01:17Welcome to This Week.

0:01:17 > 0:01:20And at a time when there has been much in the public prints about dear

0:01:20 > 0:01:23Jezza's innocent dealings with a Czech spy masquerading

0:01:23 > 0:01:26as a diplomat - who knew that's what these fiendish commies got up

0:01:26 > 0:01:30to during the Cold War - I think it only fair to fess up

0:01:30 > 0:01:34and admit that I too was one of their useless idiots.

0:01:34 > 0:01:37Mr Corbyn was given the code name Agent Cob.

0:01:37 > 0:01:41My secret moniker was Agent Nob.

0:01:41 > 0:01:42Dunno why!

0:01:42 > 0:01:43But there you are.

0:01:43 > 0:01:45They said it suited me.

0:01:45 > 0:01:47As they plied me with unlimited Blue Nun I freely revealed

0:01:47 > 0:01:51the scheduled departure of the 9.45 from Chipping Sudbury to Paddington.

0:01:51 > 0:01:549.45, as it happens.

0:01:54 > 0:01:56"When is the ten O'Clock News", they demanded.

0:01:56 > 0:01:59"Ten O'Clock", I blurted out.

0:01:59 > 0:02:04"Does anyone watch This Week", they wanted to know.

0:02:04 > 0:02:06I burst out laughing.

0:02:06 > 0:02:08"No, we thought not", said my handlers.

0:02:08 > 0:02:12Thus did I pass on some of our most vital secrets to our sworn enemies.

0:02:12 > 0:02:14And, unlike the saintly Jezza, who was not paid

0:02:14 > 0:02:16to tell them anything because even if he was minded to,

0:02:16 > 0:02:20which he wasn't, he knew nothing worth paying for anyway,

0:02:20 > 0:02:22I was of a more materialistic bent.

0:02:22 > 0:02:25Yes, I betrayed our nation for a year's supply of Blue Nun

0:02:25 > 0:02:29vodka and a huge tin of caviar for Molly the Dog.

0:02:29 > 0:02:31She likes her Russian treats, you know.

0:02:31 > 0:02:35And when you do late night TV on the BBC you need to find some way

0:02:35 > 0:02:37to supplement your pittance of an income.

0:02:37 > 0:02:40Speaking of those you'd pay just to shut up,

0:02:40 > 0:02:43I'm joined on the sofa by two folks so out of the loop that even

0:02:43 > 0:02:48Communist diplomats with huge expense accounts couldn't be

0:02:48 > 0:02:50bothered to give them them the time of day,

0:02:50 > 0:02:53even over a cup of tea in a greasy spoon.

0:02:53 > 0:02:56I speak of course Liz #fourpercent Kendall

0:02:56 > 0:03:03and Michael #choochoo Portillo.

0:03:03 > 0:03:08Welcome, both. Your moment of the week, Michael.The relevant select

0:03:08 > 0:03:13committee, according its Conservatives, rejected the

0:03:13 > 0:03:16government's nomination for the new chairman of the Charity Commission.

0:03:16 > 0:03:23I think Charity is a pretty serious subject nowadays. We can see a

0:03:23 > 0:03:26couple disintegrating before our eyes. There is also another issue

0:03:26 > 0:03:30that some charities have unacceptable agendas at the

0:03:30 > 0:03:33masquerade as charities and need to be unmasked. In other words, this is

0:03:33 > 0:03:40a serious business. The baroness has been rejected not least because she

0:03:40 > 0:03:44has no experience of regulation or charities. It illustrates that the

0:03:44 > 0:03:47government has no idea where its interests lie and cannot understand

0:03:47 > 0:03:51its own priorities.Do we know if the government is going ahead with

0:03:51 > 0:03:58the appointment?The government has said that, but time will tell.Never

0:03:58 > 0:04:01have charities been more in the spotlight, and never has it been

0:04:01 > 0:04:05more important to get the proper regulator in the charities

0:04:05 > 0:04:11commission. Liz, your moment.The failure of the UN Security Council

0:04:11 > 0:04:16tonight to agree a ceasefire in Syria, despite the latest

0:04:16 > 0:04:23unimaginable horror in Eastern Ghouta. Russia is clearly, again,

0:04:23 > 0:04:27blocking the resolution, despite some serious amendments. And it was

0:04:27 > 0:04:31very interesting tonight that the French ambassador said if a

0:04:31 > 0:04:37resolution is not agreed it will be a devastating blow to confidence in

0:04:37 > 0:04:41the Security Council, and possibly even the death knell of the UN. A

0:04:41 > 0:04:46serious and severe warning, and we have to make sure that isn't right.

0:04:46 > 0:04:53That is very big news. Very well. Two very good moments. One domestic,

0:04:53 > 0:04:59one foreign. That is how balanced we are.

0:04:59 > 0:05:02Now, it's rarer than a KFC chicken these days but yesterday the leader

0:05:02 > 0:05:05of the Opposition used PMQs to quiz Theresa May about about Brexit.

0:05:05 > 0:05:07You always get the impression our Jezza doesn't really give

0:05:07 > 0:05:08a monkey's about it.

0:05:08 > 0:05:11He's more a Stop the War, unless Russia, Syria

0:05:11 > 0:05:12or Hezbollah started it, kinda guy.

0:05:12 > 0:05:14And though Tory dither, drift and indecision about Brexit

0:05:14 > 0:05:17should be fertile ground for any Opposition to exploit, well,

0:05:17 > 0:05:20he might not be entirely simpatico with the pro-EU mainstream

0:05:20 > 0:05:24of his own party.

0:05:24 > 0:05:25So best give it a miss.

0:05:25 > 0:05:27Which raises an interesting question.

0:05:27 > 0:05:30What would foreign policy be under a Corbyn government?

0:05:30 > 0:05:32Despite all the daily party political argy-bargy,

0:05:32 > 0:05:35there's been a pretty consistent Labour-Tory

0:05:35 > 0:05:39bipartisanship since WW2.

0:05:39 > 0:05:42Pro-Nato, pro-America, pro-Commonwealth, pro-free trade,

0:05:42 > 0:05:45pro-globalisation and, until recently, pro-EU,

0:05:45 > 0:05:48though that road's often been more rocky for both sides.

0:05:48 > 0:05:53I think we can be sure a Corbyn government would break that

0:05:53 > 0:05:54foreign policy consensus.

0:05:54 > 0:06:02Here's George Galloway with his take of the week.

0:06:15 > 0:06:19People accuse Jeremy Corbyn of playing games over Brexit,

0:06:19 > 0:06:23but with a party deeply divided over the issue, he keeps his cards close

0:06:23 > 0:06:27to his chest, for good reason.

0:06:27 > 0:06:31Nobody can achieve a Brexit which pleases everyone,

0:06:31 > 0:06:34so why not keep a poker face whilst Theresa May continues to play

0:06:34 > 0:06:42a terrible hand over in Brussels?

0:06:43 > 0:06:46Reports this morning that Corbyn intends to use a speech on Monday

0:06:46 > 0:06:50to show more of his hand on Brexit worries me.

0:06:50 > 0:06:54Providing Corbyn and the Labour Party can continue prevaricating,

0:06:54 > 0:07:00they can emerge unscathed from the Brexit battle ground.

0:07:00 > 0:07:05By contrast, whatever Mrs May achieves will create interminable

0:07:05 > 0:07:09conflict within the Conservative party, and could be checkmate

0:07:09 > 0:07:13for her pathetic premiership.

0:07:13 > 0:07:15Never interrupt your enemy, Jeremy, whilst they are

0:07:15 > 0:07:21busy making a mistake.

0:07:23 > 0:07:27Speculation that the speech is going to herald a softer line

0:07:27 > 0:07:30on Brexit worries me further.

0:07:30 > 0:07:34Corbyn has an unlikely ally in Jacob Rees Mogg.

0:07:34 > 0:07:38If the European research group's proposals are accepted

0:07:38 > 0:07:41by the Government, we could make a clean break from the

0:07:41 > 0:07:47European Union, which is, I believe, what Jeremy Corbyn really wants,

0:07:47 > 0:07:49or ought to.

0:07:49 > 0:07:53A hard Brexit means a realignment of the stars, a once-in-a-lifetime

0:07:53 > 0:07:57opportunity for Corbyn to revolutionise Britain's relations

0:07:57 > 0:08:03with the rest of the world.

0:08:03 > 0:08:05Unshackled from the little leagues on the Continent,

0:08:05 > 0:08:10Corbyn could monopolise on his new-found freedom,

0:08:10 > 0:08:15realising his lifelong ambition of engagement with his allies

0:08:15 > 0:08:20in Latin America and Africa, through the mechanism of the Brics,

0:08:20 > 0:08:26fast-growing newly industrialised countries like China,

0:08:26 > 0:08:29India and South Africa.

0:08:33 > 0:08:37As part of a geopolitical alignment suited to his worldview,

0:08:37 > 0:08:42Mr Corbyn could create a new socialist pax Britannica.

0:08:42 > 0:08:45Instead of isolating so-called rogue states,

0:08:45 > 0:08:49Corbyn could engage with them.

0:08:49 > 0:08:51Only through dialogue can we hope to influence

0:08:51 > 0:08:54the behaviour of others.

0:08:54 > 0:08:59Mr Corbyn could pivot Britain towards trading opportunities

0:08:59 > 0:09:06with parts of the world's economy that are on the up.

0:09:07 > 0:09:11Mr Corbyn could also score points with the Labour grassroots

0:09:11 > 0:09:17by eliminating two unpopular, indeed reprehensible, partnerships.

0:09:17 > 0:09:20One, with the murderous Saudi regime, the other as poodle

0:09:20 > 0:09:28to Donald Trump's alt-right United States.

0:09:29 > 0:09:32What's more, with the Trump presidency on thin ice,

0:09:32 > 0:09:35and Bernie Sanders in the ascendant, Jeremy Corbyn is the only British

0:09:35 > 0:09:39politician who could make that special relationship

0:09:39 > 0:09:43even more special.

0:09:43 > 0:09:45He could transform it from one that simply enables colonial excess

0:09:45 > 0:09:51into a true transatlantic partnership of people,

0:09:51 > 0:09:54not just corporations.

0:09:54 > 0:09:57Hard Brexit means everyone is a winner, Jeremy,

0:09:57 > 0:10:00so don't go soft on me now.

0:10:04 > 0:10:12And fresh from his success, George Galloway joins us now.

0:10:13 > 0:10:21Well come back to the programme. Thank you.If Mr Corbyn took a hard

0:10:21 > 0:10:28Brexit line, could he carry his party?No. People like Liz and many

0:10:28 > 0:10:35others, more than 4%, maybe 74%, would be hostile to that. That's why

0:10:35 > 0:10:40I think he has been carefully playing this, and he ought to

0:10:40 > 0:10:43continue that, because that doesn't then burst open the Labour Party's

0:10:43 > 0:10:48divisions. And as I said, quoting Napoleon, never interrupt your enemy

0:10:48 > 0:10:54while he is busy making a mistake. John McDonnell, Shadow Chancellor,

0:10:54 > 0:10:58says Labour policy on Brexit is evolving. Do you think it is

0:10:58 > 0:11:06evolving more in your direction? Yes, I do. And I think you will see

0:11:06 > 0:11:10more next week, particularly around the customs union, and I hope it

0:11:10 > 0:11:16goes further still, around the single market. I think the reason

0:11:16 > 0:11:20why is that the leadership is listening not just to party members,

0:11:20 > 0:11:25Labour voters and the trade unions, but understanding that I'm afraid a

0:11:25 > 0:11:29hard Brexit would simply finish the job that Thatcher began on our

0:11:29 > 0:11:34manufacturing industries in the Midlands and the North, and

0:11:34 > 0:11:36undermine workers' rights and environmental standards, all of

0:11:36 > 0:11:40which are very important for the future of our economy. And the very

0:11:40 > 0:11:44strong argument that you cannot be an anti-austerity party if you are

0:11:44 > 0:11:46out of the single market and the customs union and our economy takes

0:11:46 > 0:11:53a hit.If we go into the next election and the dichotomy is that

0:11:53 > 0:11:57we are the Tories that withdrew from the European Union and they are

0:11:57 > 0:12:03Labour that tried to betray it, that is a disaster for Labour. 70% of

0:12:03 > 0:12:07Labour held constituencies voted to leave in the referendum. And if

0:12:07 > 0:12:11Labour can be fixed as the stab in the back party, the party that

0:12:11 > 0:12:16betrayed the decision the British people made in the wraparound, that

0:12:16 > 0:12:19would be an electoral catastrophe. There will be parts of London where

0:12:19 > 0:12:26it would be of benefit, but in the north, in the post-industrial

0:12:26 > 0:12:31wastelands of the Thatcher era, it would be a complete catastrophe.

0:12:31 > 0:12:34George is right that Labour should not interrupt their enemies while

0:12:34 > 0:12:39they are making mistakes. A couple of weeks ago I said I thought Corbyn

0:12:39 > 0:12:42would not want to be Prime Minister at this moment and I was howled

0:12:42 > 0:12:46down, not least by you, but I think George is saying the same thing, let

0:12:46 > 0:12:51the Tories get on and get to Brexit of whatever form and then the Labour

0:12:51 > 0:12:54Party is not responsible for what has happened. I don't believe there

0:12:54 > 0:12:58will be a hard Brexit because I think the European Union and

0:12:58 > 0:13:04Britain, neither will want to impose tariffs upon the other. But I

0:13:04 > 0:13:08certainly think that Labour's best interests, Corbyn's in particular,

0:13:08 > 0:13:12are to allow the Tories to get on with this for the next two years, to

0:13:12 > 0:13:16be hopelessly divided about it, and to pick up the settled consequences,

0:13:16 > 0:13:22the outcome.What about George's wider vision of a Corbyn foreign

0:13:22 > 0:13:27policy, what it could be like? What he outlined, by and large, it has

0:13:27 > 0:13:31the benefit of being what Mr Corbyn believes. It may be right or wrong

0:13:31 > 0:13:39but it is what he believes, isn't it?I don't think that we should be

0:13:39 > 0:13:45an anti-West, anti-American, anti-Europe, isolationist party.

0:13:45 > 0:13:52That is your leader's position.I don't be -- believe you can build

0:13:52 > 0:13:55social democracy, let alone socialism, in one country if you

0:13:55 > 0:13:59don't understand that our economy is global, climate change, terrorism,

0:13:59 > 0:14:05migration, can only be dealt with if you play a strong role in the

0:14:05 > 0:14:09international, rules -based institutions we set up.George was

0:14:09 > 0:14:15arguing just for a different role. And a very special relationship with

0:14:15 > 0:14:18the United States, and the great-grandson of the only woman in

0:14:18 > 0:14:22the 19th century later emigrated from the United States to Dundee.

0:14:22 > 0:14:26You have seen Dundee. There is nothing anti-American about me. I

0:14:26 > 0:14:31want Corbyn and samplers to make a really special relationship, one

0:14:31 > 0:14:36involving people and not just corporations. -- Bernie Sanders. Of

0:14:36 > 0:14:42course, corporations do have their role.You need to get him into the

0:14:42 > 0:14:46White House!The current polls are showing him... If he is still alive,

0:14:46 > 0:14:52of course. But that is true of all of us.

0:14:52 > 0:14:56I thought this part of George's film should be shown as a Conservative

0:14:56 > 0:15:02party political broadcast, unveiling for the Corbyn foreign policy would

0:15:02 > 0:15:11be, with one foot note, if I may, George. You mentioned Brics, and the

0:15:11 > 0:15:17capital R stands for Russia. But you did not want to mention that the

0:15:17 > 0:15:20Russian military are killing off large numbers of civilians in Syria

0:15:20 > 0:15:25at the moment. The regimes you would like to put your arm around, China

0:15:25 > 0:15:30you mentioned, with massive numbers of death penalties every year, the

0:15:30 > 0:15:37highest number of death penalties. Even more than the United States.

0:15:37 > 0:15:46Mao

0:15:46 > 0:15:51Mao Tse at...For your information, Britain is trying very hard to trade

0:15:51 > 0:15:55with China, and outside of the EU, will be in a better position to do

0:15:55 > 0:16:01it.But you socialists have more in common with the Chinese than with

0:16:01 > 0:16:06Russia.One has to trade with all kinds of countries, with the

0:16:06 > 0:16:10exception of Saudi Arabia, I would be in favour of trading with them,

0:16:10 > 0:16:15and to trade with them, you have to have good relations. All the

0:16:15 > 0:16:19countries, 25 countries we have sanctions against at the moment, 18

0:16:19 > 0:16:24of which we have invaded in the past.Since you left Russia out of

0:16:24 > 0:16:36your little them, would you like to say what you feel about

0:16:36 > 0:16:37say what you feel about Russia's role in Syria?It is cold outside,

0:16:37 > 0:16:40and if it is warm indoors it is because of Russian gas. Russia is an

0:16:40 > 0:16:48important trading partner and can be still more important.

0:16:51 > 0:16:53still more important.So murderous regimes should be let off? If they

0:16:53 > 0:17:02have gas?Murderous regimes with oil, you always little.I think

0:17:02 > 0:17:06getting Bernie Sanders in the White House is a bit of a stretch, and it

0:17:06 > 0:17:12would mean turning our back on our allies, embracing Russia and Iran -

0:17:12 > 0:17:15could you really sell that to the country?I'm asking the country to

0:17:15 > 0:17:21embrace the world, to leave the EU's fading, failing economies, with all

0:17:21 > 0:17:28the stresses and strains in the EU, it's falling apart in front of our

0:17:28 > 0:17:34eyes, and embrace instead a world where economies are rising.The

0:17:34 > 0:17:38trouble is, George, you sound no different from Jacob Rees Mogg.

0:17:38 > 0:17:42Labour Party members and voters just won't buy that. If what we end up

0:17:42 > 0:17:47having is exactly the same policy that Jason breach -- Jacob Rees Mogg

0:17:47 > 0:17:51has suggested. It's not right for the country and it is not what party

0:17:51 > 0:17:58members or

0:17:58 > 0:18:04members or members want. -- what Labour Party members want.This is

0:18:04 > 0:18:07not isolationism. It is leaving the European Union and joining the

0:18:07 > 0:18:14world. If Jacob Rees Mogg says the same thing, well, even a stopped

0:18:14 > 0:18:17clock is right twice a day, and he is right on that if that is what

0:18:17 > 0:18:25he's saying.A final question: If Mr Corbyn was to become prime minister,

0:18:25 > 0:18:27how likely do you think is he to go in the direction of foreign policy

0:18:27 > 0:18:32that you have outlined? Does he have the inclination to be that bold, or

0:18:32 > 0:18:36is he likely to be much more gradual?He's not as bold as one

0:18:36 > 0:18:41would have thought he would be. He is under a lot of pressure inside

0:18:41 > 0:18:47the parliamentary Labour Party. He doesn't have two dozen people among

0:18:47 > 0:18:57his MPs to actual... Actually agree with them. Even now, the Blairites

0:18:57 > 0:19:02are there in huge numbers in the PLP. He is cautious and serene, Zen

0:19:02 > 0:19:06like, you might say. I don't think if he became prime minister he would

0:19:06 > 0:19:10be knocking over the apple carts, kicking over the money changers'

0:19:10 > 0:19:17tables and so one, but he would be a steady, slow, but steady progress in

0:19:17 > 0:19:20the direction that I have been describing.George Galloway, thank

0:19:20 > 0:19:22you.A pleasure.

0:19:22 > 0:19:24It's late, Saint Michael of Assisi late.

0:19:24 > 0:19:26Yes, the blessed Govey, patron saint of small furry things

0:19:26 > 0:19:29at the Department of Environment, thinks it's "unkind" to keep

0:19:29 > 0:19:30dumb animals cooped-up indoors all the time.

0:19:30 > 0:19:33He wants them to be able to frolic more outside.

0:19:33 > 0:19:34But politicians shouldn't get too excited.

0:19:34 > 0:19:37Even the Govester's compassion for dumb animals has its limits.

0:19:37 > 0:19:39So no gambolling on College Green for Tory MPs.

0:19:39 > 0:19:41They'll remain locked in their Westminster

0:19:41 > 0:19:44crates for the time being.

0:19:44 > 0:19:47At least until the Maybot can concoct a Brexit policy around

0:19:47 > 0:19:51which they can rally.

0:19:51 > 0:19:54So they could be in captivity for some time.

0:19:54 > 0:19:57Someone who's never followed the herd is Geoff Norcott.

0:19:57 > 0:19:59Indeed he's a phenomenon that's rarer on BBC Radio 4

0:19:59 > 0:20:04than Hezbollah at a Barmitzvah.

0:20:04 > 0:20:06A comedian who isn't just funny - that's rare enough

0:20:06 > 0:20:10on radio these days - but is also right of centre,

0:20:10 > 0:20:12which is not just rare but unheard of.

0:20:12 > 0:20:14Bonkers, I know.

0:20:14 > 0:20:16So, rather appropriately, he'll be asking if politics

0:20:16 > 0:20:19has gone "bonkers".

0:20:19 > 0:20:22And if you feel compelled to bleat, moo or cluck a few mindless

0:20:22 > 0:20:24comments onto the Tweeter, the Fleecebook, or the Snapnumpty,

0:20:24 > 0:20:29well, feel free, be my guest, pull up a bollard, sit down and tap away.

0:20:29 > 0:20:32But be aware that, unlike the Maybot, I do finish my box sets.

0:20:32 > 0:20:37So I'll never get round to seeing your drivelling.

0:20:37 > 0:20:40It's been a week of spy plots and sci-fi movies.

0:20:40 > 0:20:42Of James Bond and Mad Max.

0:20:42 > 0:20:45Of Cold War pasts and dystopian futures.

0:20:45 > 0:20:47Yes, all of that, and the great finger-lickin', fried

0:20:47 > 0:20:49chicken furore of 2018.

0:20:49 > 0:20:51So, from deep in the deep-fat fryer, here's Jane Moore

0:20:51 > 0:20:59with her roundup of the week.

0:21:00 > 0:21:03Here at This Week, we know that Andrew simply won't get into that

0:21:03 > 0:21:06presenter's chair without first fuelling up with a bargain bucket

0:21:06 > 0:21:08and a couple of gallons of Blue Nun.

0:21:08 > 0:21:12So, when I heard there was a chicken shortage at KFC, I thought I'd

0:21:12 > 0:21:16better take matters into my own hands.

0:21:16 > 0:21:24Let's get to work.

0:21:24 > 0:21:32# Everybody's heard about the bird...#.

0:21:33 > 0:21:36Hello?

0:21:36 > 0:21:39Yes, an order for the European research group?

0:21:39 > 0:21:42Yes, OK, hang on a minute.

0:21:42 > 0:21:45Right, so...

0:21:45 > 0:21:4962 servings of wings, yeah.

0:21:49 > 0:21:55Regulatory autonomy for the UK post Brexit, OK.

0:21:55 > 0:21:58UK free to start trade negotiations during the transition period.

0:21:58 > 0:22:03OK, yeah, yeah.

0:22:03 > 0:22:05Thanks a lot, give me 20 minutes.

0:22:05 > 0:22:08Bye.

0:22:08 > 0:22:11A letter from Jacob Rees Mogg's agitators gave

0:22:11 > 0:22:14Theresa May something rather tough to chew on.

0:22:14 > 0:22:21Many feathers have been ruffled as the squawking over Brexit

0:22:21 > 0:22:23continues, but David Davis confused to acknowledge the concerns of

0:22:23 > 0:22:31Remainers over the potential impact of leaving the EU.

0:22:32 > 0:22:35They fear that Brexit could lead to an

0:22:35 > 0:22:38Anglo-Saxon race to the bottom, with Britain plunged into a Mad

0:22:38 > 0:22:42Max-style world borrowed from dystopian fiction.

0:22:42 > 0:22:50These fears about a race to the bottom are based on nothing.

0:22:51 > 0:22:54Whilst Damian Green stuck his beak in to call on the Government to

0:22:54 > 0:22:57publish any Brexit impact assessments.

0:22:57 > 0:22:59If analysis is being produced, then publish it, and

0:22:59 > 0:23:02frankly, there will be a big political debate about it, and let's

0:23:02 > 0:23:04have the argument in public.

0:23:04 > 0:23:09That's what democracies do.

0:23:09 > 0:23:11Brexiteer foxes aside, Theresa May toured TV studios

0:23:11 > 0:23:14to defend her premiership, and to point out that when it comes to

0:23:14 > 0:23:20running the country, she's still got some eggs in her basket.

0:23:20 > 0:23:23I'm doing a job, and I'm going to jolly well get

0:23:23 > 0:23:25on and do it.

0:23:25 > 0:23:28And what drives me in doing it is actually not what's

0:23:28 > 0:23:32written but what people out there want the Government to do.

0:23:32 > 0:23:36But the crowing didn't last long, feathers

0:23:36 > 0:23:40flying yet again over university tuition fees.

0:23:40 > 0:23:43Amidst a lot of clucking from certain quarters, the

0:23:43 > 0:23:46PM ruled out scrapping them completely.

0:23:46 > 0:23:48Basically, you've got out there people who will benefit

0:23:48 > 0:23:52from going to university and those who don't.

0:23:52 > 0:23:55And I think it's right that those who benefit should make a

0:23:55 > 0:23:56contribution.

0:23:56 > 0:23:59The crisis is involving Oxfam and Save The

0:23:59 > 0:24:02Children deepened yesterday as yet more allegations emerged of sexually

0:24:02 > 0:24:03inappropriate behaviour by charity workers and bosses.

0:24:03 > 0:24:07Former chief executive of Save The Children Justin Forsyth

0:24:07 > 0:24:12is the latest to face accusations on his conduct.

0:24:12 > 0:24:16MPs heard evidence on Tuesday.

0:24:16 > 0:24:21I repeat Oxfam's broader apology, and my personal apology.

0:24:21 > 0:24:24I am sorry, we are sorry, for the damage that

0:24:24 > 0:24:27Oxfam has done, both to

0:24:27 > 0:24:30the people of Haiti, but also to a wider efforts for aid and

0:24:30 > 0:24:35development by possibly undermining public support.

0:24:35 > 0:24:40On the war path this week was Jeremy Corbyn, who in his

0:24:40 > 0:24:46speech to the EEF, seized the opportunity to roast the banks.

0:24:46 > 0:24:50We will take decisions and decisive action to make finance the servant

0:24:50 > 0:24:55of industry, not the masters of all.

0:24:55 > 0:24:58And it wasn't just the financial institutions he was clucked

0:24:58 > 0:25:01off with.

0:25:01 > 0:25:04Responding to accusations that he met with spies during the

0:25:04 > 0:25:07Cold War, he accused the media of foul play.

0:25:07 > 0:25:11Number Ten...

0:25:11 > 0:25:15Publishing these ridiculous smears which have

0:25:15 > 0:25:17been refuted by Czech officials shows just how worried the media

0:25:17 > 0:25:20bosses are by the prospect of a Labour Government.

0:25:20 > 0:25:23They are right to be.

0:25:23 > 0:25:24Hmm...

0:25:24 > 0:25:26The electorate will be the judge of that.

0:25:26 > 0:25:28Oh, it's you!

0:25:28 > 0:25:32Thanks!

0:25:32 > 0:25:36Stories where Jeremy Corbyn isn't accused of fraternising with a

0:25:36 > 0:25:39dodgy regime seem scarcer than hen's teeth these

0:25:39 > 0:25:42days, but the Leader of

0:25:42 > 0:25:45the Opposition did a valiant attempt to avert attention from himself at

0:25:45 > 0:25:47PMQs by focusing on Brexit instead.

0:25:47 > 0:25:50The Foreign Secretary recently made a speech about Brexit, and he found

0:25:50 > 0:25:51time to mention carrots, spam, V signs, stag

0:25:51 > 0:25:57parties and a plague of

0:25:57 > 0:25:59boils.

0:25:59 > 0:26:05Not one mention of Northern Ireland in his speech.

0:26:05 > 0:26:10But in her response, the Prime Minister

0:26:10 > 0:26:12couldn't resist the urge to peck at the open wound.

0:26:12 > 0:26:14Can I congratulate the Right Honourable gentleman,

0:26:14 > 0:26:22because normally he stands up every week and asks me to sign a

0:26:22 > 0:26:24blank cheque, and I know he likes Czechs, but really...

0:26:24 > 0:26:26In an astonishing display of Chicken Little syndrome,

0:26:26 > 0:26:29Tory MPs read press reports and piled into double-O Corbyn to

0:26:29 > 0:26:32accuse him of, in the words of Defence Secretary Gavin Williamson,

0:26:32 > 0:26:33being a traitor.

0:26:33 > 0:26:41Can I have some sauce, please?

0:26:44 > 0:26:47MP Ben Bradley's neck was wrung by Corbyn after he posted

0:26:47 > 0:26:49a tweet accusing the Leader of the Opposition of selling British

0:26:49 > 0:26:55secrets to Communist spies.

0:26:55 > 0:26:59Thank you.

0:26:59 > 0:27:03Right, I better get Andrew's order together.

0:27:03 > 0:27:11We've run out of chicken.

0:27:12 > 0:27:14Jane assures me that the chicken from Other Side Fried

0:27:14 > 0:27:22at Peckham Levels, that I didn't get to taste, was delicious.

0:27:24 > 0:27:28- G8 it all. Michael, this whole Corbyn is a spiced up, had it

0:27:28 > 0:27:33rebound badly on the Tories and the Tory press in the end?I don't think

0:27:33 > 0:27:41so. I think it would be quite difficult to elect as our Prime

0:27:41 > 0:27:46Minister someone who was consorting with the IRA, with Palestinian

0:27:46 > 0:27:50terrorists...It didn't play last time ran?No effort was made last

0:27:50 > 0:27:54time because the Government thought it would win effortlessly so no real

0:27:54 > 0:27:58effort was invested.Not a prime-time interviews, including one

0:27:58 > 0:28:02I did where Mr Corbyn was asked rigorously about his past

0:28:02 > 0:28:05associations with the IRA, and it didn't seem to have traction, even

0:28:05 > 0:28:10in the middle of an election with a terrorist campaign which was

0:28:10 > 0:28:14unprecedented.River, no one thought Labour would win the election, which

0:28:14 > 0:28:21of course they borrow right to assume, -- remember, no one

0:28:21 > 0:28:25thought...Haven't the Tories overplayed their hand? We know he

0:28:25 > 0:28:33has never been a fan of Western foreign policy. He has been accused

0:28:33 > 0:28:37of being too cosy with the enemies of the West, but that is nothing to

0:28:37 > 0:28:42do with the trade in the country being a traitor.No, but I'm afraid

0:28:42 > 0:28:46it's absolutely enough to lose a general election.The defence

0:28:46 > 0:28:55minister said he has betrayed the country.The idea that he had any

0:28:55 > 0:28:58state secrets was ridiculous, and that he would be motivated by money

0:28:58 > 0:29:02to sell them is even more ridiculous.That is what I mean by

0:29:02 > 0:29:07ever playing their hand.Why do you think these agents were interested

0:29:07 > 0:29:13in talking to Jeremy Corbyn?Because they had to justify their salary to

0:29:13 > 0:29:16their Czech masters.They thought it was important to infiltrate the

0:29:16 > 0:29:19Labour Party, which was the opposition party and might one day

0:29:19 > 0:29:24become the Government party.

0:29:24 > 0:29:33Except we have no evidence of any of that.Michael is right to say our

0:29:33 > 0:29:37foreign policy and security policy will come under scrutiny at the

0:29:37 > 0:29:41general election. But by going on this ridiculous claim, I think

0:29:41 > 0:29:48Corbyn is right it was a smear on him and it has backfired.If he were

0:29:48 > 0:29:52right, he would offer himself for TV interviews, allowing himself to be

0:29:52 > 0:29:58grilled about this file.They said they did not have a file, Michael.

0:29:58 > 0:30:02He appears and says, I am threatening the Tory press, if I

0:30:02 > 0:30:07become Prime Minister I will gag it in some way. That does not endear

0:30:07 > 0:30:12him.If Mr Corbyn is watching and he is up for an interview, you know

0:30:12 > 0:30:17where we are. It is 20 months since the referendum, almost a year since

0:30:17 > 0:30:21Article 50 was triggered, and Cabinet ministers spent almost all

0:30:21 > 0:30:26day today still trying to decide on some of the most basic negotiating

0:30:26 > 0:30:32positions of this country. Isn't that remarkable?It is, but the

0:30:32 > 0:30:36clock is running not only for us but also for the European Union.But

0:30:36 > 0:30:41they have decided their negotiating position.They may have, but they

0:30:41 > 0:30:47have not decided the outcome. I absolutely do not believe there will

0:30:47 > 0:30:51be a hard Brexit. I do not believe that the end of this will be the

0:30:51 > 0:30:54imposition of tariffs by the European Union on Britain and by

0:30:54 > 0:30:59Britain on the European Union. So something else is going to happen.

0:30:59 > 0:31:03That may be true, but by any of that happen, the Europeans need to know

0:31:03 > 0:31:11our negotiating position. Mrs May seems to be vacillating on this. We

0:31:11 > 0:31:15still don't know. The word is that the meeting broke up in Chequers

0:31:15 > 0:31:21tonight the couple of hours ago. The big divide seems to be between those

0:31:21 > 0:31:26who want to diverged, if and when we leave, from European regulations,

0:31:26 > 0:31:32and those who think to get access to all the markets we have two stay

0:31:32 > 0:31:37roughly aligned, as close as we can. I am told the divergences got the

0:31:37 > 0:31:42better of the argument but there was given steak on both sides. Is that

0:31:42 > 0:31:49good or bad?Bad. I would like us to stay as close as possible. Whether

0:31:49 > 0:31:52she got agreement amongst her Cabinet, the real battle will be on

0:31:52 > 0:31:57her backbenchers. We heard this week that the customs and trade bill is

0:31:57 > 0:32:02now not going to come to Parliament until after the May elections. There

0:32:02 > 0:32:05has been an amendment put down by Anna Soubry and Kenneth Clarke

0:32:05 > 0:32:09calling for us to remain in the customs union, and I think Labour

0:32:09 > 0:32:14will back that. She has got the people who voted Remain, Anna

0:32:14 > 0:32:19Soubry, Nicky Morgan, and then she has Jacob Rees-Mogg and that group

0:32:19 > 0:32:26who want us to stop any kind of negotiation by March the 20th -- by

0:32:26 > 0:32:33March 2019. So we would fall out on WTO rules. She has to make a choice.

0:32:33 > 0:32:36Maybe the reason there will not be a hard Brexit is because there will

0:32:36 > 0:32:44not be a majority in parliament for it.Absolutely right. There isn't.I

0:32:44 > 0:32:47think that is coincidentally true but it is not the reason there will

0:32:47 > 0:32:52not be a hard Brexit. It is unimaginable that the European Union

0:32:52 > 0:32:55and Britain will direct tariffs when around the rest of the world we are

0:32:55 > 0:32:58moving in a different direction, with the exception of the United

0:32:58 > 0:33:03States. We are globalising and we would find ourselves entirely out of

0:33:03 > 0:33:08step with the global trend.On tuition fees, the Prime Minister

0:33:08 > 0:33:16came in this week. What is the sense in entering a bidding war with

0:33:16 > 0:33:21politics on this, a subject she knows she cannot win?She can't win,

0:33:21 > 0:33:28but the reason this has gone badly wrong is that this is the most

0:33:28 > 0:33:31non-Conservative policy ever invented. When you are selling a

0:33:31 > 0:33:35rusty bicycle or a Rolls-Royce, they cost the same amount of money. A

0:33:35 > 0:33:40lousy degree in a lousy university and a top degree in a top university

0:33:40 > 0:33:47have all been priced the same. So the student has no power. How can a

0:33:47 > 0:33:54Conservative Party have invented such a daft, crazy communist system?

0:33:54 > 0:33:59I thought Labour invented it?We pushed it up to 9000.

0:33:59 > 0:34:01Winston Churchill once said, "A politician needs the ability

0:34:01 > 0:34:04to foretell what is going to happen, and the ability afterwards

0:34:04 > 0:34:05to explain why it didn't happen".

0:34:05 > 0:34:08Even by recent standards, it's been quite a week.

0:34:08 > 0:34:10David Davis invoking the spirit of the Thunderdome to assure us

0:34:10 > 0:34:12Brexit won't be as bad as Mad Max.

0:34:12 > 0:34:13So that's all right then.

0:34:13 > 0:34:14An earthquake in Swansea.

0:34:14 > 0:34:16Not a sentence you thought you'd ever hear.

0:34:16 > 0:34:19And, rather than taking guns off killers, in the wake of yet

0:34:19 > 0:34:21another school shooting, the President of the United States

0:34:21 > 0:34:24has said that arming teachers could be the answer.

0:34:24 > 0:34:27Just as well that wasn't the policy when Mrs MacGregor was teaching us

0:34:27 > 0:34:29maths in the lower fourth.

0:34:29 > 0:34:31She was already a dab hand at whacking your

0:34:31 > 0:34:33knuckles with a ruler.

0:34:33 > 0:34:36Who knows what she might have done with a Colt 45?

0:34:36 > 0:34:37So has the world gone bonkers?

0:34:37 > 0:34:38Almost certainly.

0:34:38 > 0:34:45That's why we're putting bonkers in the spotlight.

0:34:48 > 0:34:56# Bonkers...#

0:34:56 > 0:35:00Is it just me, or has the world gone crazy?

0:35:00 > 0:35:04No!

0:35:04 > 0:35:07KFC plunged fast food lovers into despair after its chicken

0:35:07 > 0:35:10shortage led to consumer chaos.

0:35:10 > 0:35:12I've had to go to Burger King.

0:35:12 > 0:35:13It's what?

0:35:13 > 0:35:14Ridiculous.

0:35:14 > 0:35:17Surely there's enough chicken.

0:35:17 > 0:35:20But was it just a little bit bonkers to see the Queen

0:35:20 > 0:35:23at London Fashion Week?

0:35:23 > 0:35:25Her Maj noted the conditions were rather hard underfoot.

0:35:25 > 0:35:31Although the course seemed quite straightforward.

0:35:31 > 0:35:35And just how crazy do you have to be to give birth to your child on air.

0:35:35 > 0:35:38Hi, buddy.

0:35:38 > 0:35:42As US radio presenter Cassidy Proctor did this week.

0:35:42 > 0:35:46She even got the audience to name her newborn.

0:35:46 > 0:35:49Meanwhile, Theresa May says her life is so bonkers she can't even find

0:35:49 > 0:35:52the time to finish a box set.

0:35:52 > 0:35:55I never get to the end of a box set.

0:35:55 > 0:36:00For Ukip at least, another leader down, the shambles is nothing new.

0:36:00 > 0:36:02I'm constantly being told by political experts that Ukip

0:36:02 > 0:36:05is finished and that nobody really cares any more,

0:36:05 > 0:36:09nobody knows what its purpose is.

0:36:09 > 0:36:11And what of serious politics?

0:36:11 > 0:36:14Is it bonkers that we have to look to grime musician Stormzy to hold

0:36:14 > 0:36:16the Prime Minister to account?

0:36:16 > 0:36:19The artist took a swipe at Theresa May at the Brits last

0:36:19 > 0:36:22night over her handling of the Grenfell Tower tragedy.

0:36:22 > 0:36:23Yo, Theresa May, where's the money for Grenfell?

0:36:23 > 0:36:26What, you thought we just forgot about Grenfell?

0:36:26 > 0:36:27You criminals.

0:36:27 > 0:36:29And you got the cheek to call us savages...

0:36:29 > 0:36:34Comedian Geoff Norcott thinks times like these call for a cool head.

0:36:34 > 0:36:42But can anyone make sense of this madness?

0:36:44 > 0:36:50And Geoff Norcott is with us now.

0:36:51 > 0:36:55Welcome to the programme. KFC runs out of chicken, Trump wants to armed

0:36:55 > 0:37:01teachers. We are going bonkers.It jumped the shark this week. And that

0:37:01 > 0:37:06clip with Stormzy. There was a headline that said Theresa May hits

0:37:06 > 0:37:09back at Stormzy. For one second I thought she had done it in the form

0:37:09 > 0:37:15of rap. I could imagine her with Michael Gove doing beatbox. It is a

0:37:15 > 0:37:21symptom of the times we are living in.What a terrifying image!Isn't

0:37:21 > 0:37:26it slightly bonkers that she responded to Stormzy?All this week

0:37:26 > 0:37:30things like that have been happening, with Corbyn warning the

0:37:30 > 0:37:33press he is not a rabid revolutionary, he threatened to

0:37:33 > 0:37:37control the free press. A great way of coming back against your critics.

0:37:37 > 0:37:41There were lots of things Corbyn said in that video which were fair

0:37:41 > 0:37:46but what was odd was the intensity in his eyes. For a pacifist, he

0:37:46 > 0:37:52looked like he wanted to punch someone, ready to come out swinging.

0:37:52 > 0:37:55Henry Bolton, the former Ukip, there has to be a point, when you are

0:37:55 > 0:38:01sitting on the sofa on TV and the woman half your age is a racist, you

0:38:01 > 0:38:05have to think I have not made prior decisions. I was in the running to

0:38:05 > 0:38:11be leader of the party and here I am!What is it that is making us

0:38:11 > 0:38:18bonkers?Elections, pressure. Buying back from 2014, 15, these have been

0:38:18 > 0:38:22unexpected results which puts the pressure on politicians. There is no

0:38:22 > 0:38:27comfort zone any more. Social media, we could all be a hashtag by the

0:38:27 > 0:38:33time we get back to the green room. Or worse.Or dressed as a chicken.

0:38:33 > 0:38:38And pressure will dismiss stakes. When people are under pressure, they

0:38:38 > 0:38:45shoot from the hip.Don't you think it is just more exposed? We did not

0:38:45 > 0:38:51know what was going on with politicians 24-7 years ago.You are

0:38:51 > 0:38:54right about the elections but you are really saying lack of

0:38:54 > 0:38:59leadership. People are trying to react to what others have ready

0:38:59 > 0:39:03decided. You have seen that with Trump, the response to the gum

0:39:03 > 0:39:08thing, dependent on the gun lobby. He does not have a view of his own.

0:39:08 > 0:39:14It is not just the elections, but the results. With Trump winning in

0:39:14 > 0:39:18America, Mrs May failing to get a decent majority, Macron coming from

0:39:18 > 0:39:21nowhere to win in France, Mrs Merkel struggling to put together a

0:39:21 > 0:39:29coalition. All of the results have really been a kick in the teeth.

0:39:29 > 0:39:32Nobody can get their feet under the table. When you think back to the

0:39:32 > 0:39:35Blair eight years, how long has it been since people could win an

0:39:35 > 0:39:40election and be an MP for five years and get on with the job? You have

0:39:40 > 0:39:45five minutes before you are getting hounded on Twitter constantly. There

0:39:45 > 0:39:49is a general tribalism which is distorting. I had a clip about

0:39:49 > 0:39:54Corbyn go viral this week. On my Facebook page, I had people

0:39:54 > 0:40:00reviewing me off the back of it. 25 of the reviews were 5-star, and ten

0:40:00 > 0:40:04of them were ones star, and nothing in the middle. I have always thought

0:40:04 > 0:40:10I was a solid 3.7. It is almost a symptom of the age, that the

0:40:10 > 0:40:18dialogue and political discourse is dominated by the fringe ends.Being

0:40:18 > 0:40:20calm, reasonable, building consensus, bringing people together

0:40:20 > 0:40:28just doesn't cut it any more. It is not fashionable in politics.The

0:40:28 > 0:40:34mainstream is discombobulated now. It is. But as I say, there are not

0:40:34 > 0:40:37people who know their own mind and are prepared to tell us what they

0:40:37 > 0:40:43think and where they want to take us. They are just bobbing around on

0:40:43 > 0:40:47a sea of public opinion which is constantly changing and moving.I

0:40:47 > 0:40:52would suggest we will stay bonkers for quite some time.I would hope

0:40:52 > 0:40:59so. For comedy, it is brilliant. What are you up to?I am on tour,

0:40:59 > 0:41:03going round the country at the moment. We have just extended into

0:41:03 > 0:41:09the autumn. Although I voted Conservative and I voted Leave, I

0:41:09 > 0:41:14was in Leicester on Monday and there were loads of Labour voters who came

0:41:14 > 0:41:23and sat at the front.The Leicester comedy Festival.Yes. All of the

0:41:23 > 0:41:28Leavers sat at the back, for a sharp exit! It is much better when you get

0:41:28 > 0:41:32diversity in the audience. I am not in this to create an echo chamber,

0:41:32 > 0:41:38so I am glad. All lefties are welcome. I don't mind anybody.Does

0:41:38 > 0:41:45the audience know that you are right of centre?I think they want to be

0:41:45 > 0:41:49triggered, in a way. There was a woman in Leicester who I kept

0:41:49 > 0:41:55calling mad, and she said it was a jest and class sensitive as well. I

0:41:55 > 0:41:59had not heard class sensitive, so I said, all right, treacle, I will

0:41:59 > 0:42:03call you something else. But did not go down well!

0:42:03 > 0:42:06That's your lot for tonight, but not for us.

0:42:06 > 0:42:08We're off to Loulou's, where it's Mad Max theme night.

0:42:08 > 0:42:11Giving Michael yet another excuse to dress up in his tight, studded,

0:42:11 > 0:42:13ripped leather biker gear, plus David Davis mask.

0:42:13 > 0:42:16Leaving Liz free to mull on life in a dystopian world of no hope,

0:42:16 > 0:42:19no future, no purpose.

0:42:19 > 0:42:21Come to think of it, since the Brexit referendum

0:42:21 > 0:42:24and Jezza's takeover of her party, that's been pretty much what's

0:42:24 > 0:42:27she been living through anyway.

0:42:27 > 0:42:30So tonight will be just another normal night for her.

0:42:30 > 0:42:33But we leave you tonight on a more serious note,

0:42:33 > 0:42:37with the words of Andrew Pollock, whose daughter, Meadow,

0:42:37 > 0:42:43was shot dead in Florida last week in yet another mass school shooting

0:42:43 > 0:42:48of the sort which seems to have become quotidian in the US

0:42:48 > 0:42:51and to which American politicians seem incapable of responding

0:42:51 > 0:42:54with any action, just the ritual thoughts and prayers for the victims

0:42:54 > 0:42:58and their loved ones.

0:42:58 > 0:43:00This is part of Mr Pollock's speech at Donald Trump's "listening

0:43:00 > 0:43:04session" last night.

0:43:04 > 0:43:08We, as a country, failed our children.

0:43:08 > 0:43:16This shouldn't happen.

0:43:17 > 0:43:19I'm very angry that this happened, because it keeps happening.

0:43:19 > 0:43:219/11 happened once and they fixed everything.

0:43:21 > 0:43:25How many schools, how many children have to get shot?

0:43:25 > 0:43:28Because I want it to sink in, not forget about this.

0:43:28 > 0:43:32We can't forget about all the school shootings.

0:43:32 > 0:43:33It doesn't make sense.

0:43:33 > 0:43:34Fix it.

0:43:34 > 0:43:36It should have been one school shooting and we

0:43:36 > 0:43:40should have fixed it.

0:43:40 > 0:43:42And I'm pissed.

0:43:42 > 0:43:45Because my daughter I'm not going to see again.

0:43:45 > 0:43:51She's not here.

0:43:51 > 0:43:53Never, ever will I see my kid.

0:43:53 > 0:43:54I want that to sink in.

0:43:54 > 0:43:55It's eternity.

0:43:55 > 0:44:01My beautiful daughter, I'm never going to see again...