0:00:11 > 0:00:15Hello there and welcome to Thursday in Parliament,
0:00:15 > 0:00:17on the last day of term before Parliament rises
0:00:17 > 0:00:18for its summer recess.
0:00:18 > 0:00:20Coming up in the next half hour
0:00:20 > 0:00:25Labour asked, what will leaving the EU mean for workers' rights
0:00:25 > 0:00:27The Government delays a shake-up to school funding in England
0:00:27 > 0:00:33and there is a call for a complete ban on the use of animals snares.
0:00:33 > 0:00:36Some animals get their legs caught in the snares and get cut
0:00:36 > 0:00:39through to the bone.
0:00:39 > 0:00:43But first, Labour MPs have demanded reassurances that workers' rights
0:00:43 > 0:00:48won't be downgraded once thd UK leaves the EU.
0:00:48 > 0:00:52Theresa May met German Chancellor Angela Merkel on Wednesday
0:00:52 > 0:00:55for their first talks about the UK's future relationship with Europe
0:00:55 > 0:00:58following the referendum.
0:00:58 > 0:01:01Asked how they had got on, Mrs May said they were two women
0:01:01 > 0:01:04who want to get on with the job and deliver the best possible
0:01:04 > 0:01:09results for the people of the UK and Germany.
0:01:09 > 0:01:11Back in the Commons, Labour MPs wanted to know
0:01:11 > 0:01:15if the Government had begun to work out how to begin disentanglhng
0:01:15 > 0:01:18the UK from the EU.
0:01:18 > 0:01:22Has there been a discussion over the cost of the number of l`wyers
0:01:22 > 0:01:25and trade negotiators who are going to have to be hired in
0:01:25 > 0:01:31order to deliver our disent`nglement from the European Union?
0:01:31 > 0:01:34And if such an estimate has not yet been made,
0:01:34 > 0:01:36can the Attorney General pldase confirm my when he will be `ble
0:01:36 > 0:01:40to furnish the House with that information?
0:01:40 > 0:01:44Well, Mr Speaker, it is undoubtedly the case that we will need the best
0:01:44 > 0:01:48advice that we can have and the best trade negotiators that we c`n have.
0:01:48 > 0:01:51Of course, the Government already has some of that capacity,
0:01:51 > 0:01:54but the department responsible is looking very carefully
0:01:54 > 0:01:57at the moment as to exactly what additional capacity
0:01:57 > 0:01:59we will need to gain.
0:01:59 > 0:02:02And as soon as they are in a position to give that
0:02:02 > 0:02:04information to the House, I am sure they will do so.
0:02:04 > 0:02:07Mr Speaker, our membership of the European Union has brought
0:02:07 > 0:02:10about substantial enhancements in our health and safety laws.
0:02:10 > 0:02:14Will the Attorney General guarantee that with leaving
0:02:14 > 0:02:15the European Union...
0:02:15 > 0:02:19What exactly will our future relationship
0:02:19 > 0:02:20with the European Union be?
0:02:20 > 0:02:23I am sure, my Lords, we appreciate that this
0:02:23 > 0:02:27is like going through a divorce a very painful divorce,
0:02:27 > 0:02:29but instead of there being one injured party,
0:02:29 > 0:02:35there are 27 injured parties, and we must approach these
0:02:35 > 0:02:41negotiations with sensitivity.
0:02:41 > 0:02:44It's a very lengthy exercisd, that we will need to continte with.
0:02:44 > 0:02:47Leaving the European Union will involve repeal of the Duropean
0:02:47 > 0:02:49communities act 1972, which will mean all secondary
0:02:49 > 0:02:51legislation made under the `ct will automatically fail
0:02:51 > 0:02:53unless it is re-enacted.
0:02:53 > 0:02:55Can the Attorney General tell us what steps are being taken
0:02:55 > 0:03:00or will be taken to ensure the necessary legislation
0:03:00 > 0:03:02to guarantee protection on hmported employment rights such as transfers
0:03:02 > 0:03:09of undertakings and paid holidays for employees?
0:03:09 > 0:03:12Well, Mr Speaker, can first of all say, it is always to see
0:03:12 > 0:03:18anyone on the Labour front bench these days,
0:03:18 > 0:03:21but it's a particular pleastre to see that the honourable lady
0:03:21 > 0:03:22retains her position.
0:03:22 > 0:03:24Can I repeat what I said to her
0:03:24 > 0:03:26Honourable friend, it is clearly the case that some
0:03:26 > 0:03:28of the regulations and piecds of legislation she refers to,
0:03:28 > 0:03:30the British Government will wish to retain in some form.
0:03:30 > 0:03:33And of course, the exercise of determining which pieces
0:03:33 > 0:03:39of legislation those are is going to be a time-consuming and complex one.
0:03:39 > 0:03:41Prior to being elected to this house, I represented familids
0:03:41 > 0:03:43of people killed or injured at work.
0:03:43 > 0:03:45The majority of health and safety legislation providing
0:03:45 > 0:03:48protection for UK workers derives from EU law,
0:03:48 > 0:03:51and in his answer, the attorney did not satisfy me that he hs going
0:03:51 > 0:03:56to provide equivalent protection that we currently have,
0:03:56 > 0:03:58if not better protection.
0:03:58 > 0:04:01Does he agree with me that workers need to be protected against injury,
0:04:01 > 0:04:04illness and death at work, and that workplace health and safety
0:04:04 > 0:04:08legislation is essential and not red tape?
0:04:08 > 0:04:10And will he give this House, particularly the families
0:04:10 > 0:04:14of those killed at work, a guarantee that at the verx least
0:04:14 > 0:04:17equivalent legislation and workplace protections whll be
0:04:18 > 0:04:21urgently re-enacted?
0:04:21 > 0:04:23Well, Mr Speaker, I do agred with the honourable lady th`t
0:04:23 > 0:04:27injury, illness and death at work must be prevented and stealth
0:04:27 > 0:04:32with through appropriate legislation and regulation.
0:04:32 > 0:04:35But of course, we have alre`dy sought to protect workers from those
0:04:35 > 0:04:37things prior to our membership of the European Union.
0:04:37 > 0:04:40We will certainly seek to do so post our membership
0:04:40 > 0:04:41of the European Union.
0:04:41 > 0:04:45I don't believe it is beyond the capacity of this House to design
0:04:45 > 0:04:49legislation which will enable us to protect those things effdctively.
0:04:49 > 0:04:52And this Government is entirely committed to doing so.
0:04:52 > 0:04:53Jeremy Wright.
0:04:53 > 0:04:57The UK's departure from the EU was also exercising team minds
0:04:57 > 0:05:02of MPs in the parallel debating chamber of Westminster Hall.
0:05:02 > 0:05:07They are, Labour's sole Scottish MP, now a humble backbencher
0:05:07 > 0:05:10after resigning as shadow Scottish secretary under Jeremy Corbxn,
0:05:10 > 0:05:12introduced a debate on the role of the devolved governments
0:05:12 > 0:05:14in the Brexit negotiations.
0:05:14 > 0:05:20Ian Murray welcomed Theresa May s promise not to fire the starting
0:05:20 > 0:05:23gun, otherwise known as Arthcle 50, until what she termed a UK `pproach
0:05:23 > 0:05:29had been agreed.
0:05:29 > 0:05:30But Scotland's position, he said, was exceptional.
0:05:30 > 0:05:33As matters stand, as we are here today, Scotland belongs to two
0:05:33 > 0:05:35unions and gets as bandages, significant advantages, frol both.
0:05:35 > 0:05:41The people of Scotland recognise and have recently voted
0:05:41 > 0:05:43overwhelmingly for both unions to be continued.
0:05:43 > 0:05:45The result of these referendums should be respected but instead
0:05:45 > 0:05:47they are being ignored and the political context
0:05:47 > 0:05:53in Scotland at the moment is thus.
0:05:53 > 0:05:56The Conservatives want Scotland in the UK but out of the new.
0:05:56 > 0:05:58The Scottish National party wants Scotland
0:05:58 > 0:06:01in the EU but out of the UK.
0:06:01 > 0:06:04And it is only the Scottish Labour Party that is clear that we want
0:06:04 > 0:06:09Scotland to remain in the ET and in the UK.
0:06:09 > 0:06:11And the UK and Scottish govdrnments have an obligation to pursud every
0:06:11 > 0:06:14avenue in pursuit of this ottcome.
0:06:14 > 0:06:16I think it was Winston Churchill who said that the problem
0:06:16 > 0:06:21with political suicide is that sometimes you survive.
0:06:21 > 0:06:24And it feels as though we are living through a very long politic`l
0:06:24 > 0:06:27suicide at the moment.
0:06:27 > 0:06:32The Brexit masochists have ttterly ruined politics and
0:06:32 > 0:06:35turned it on its head.
0:06:35 > 0:06:39And I won't allow my countrx and my colleagues to join md
0:06:39 > 0:06:43on these benches won't allow our country to bear the brunt of that.
0:06:43 > 0:06:47Because on the back of the Brexit vote that Scotland did not vote for,
0:06:47 > 0:06:48the political establishment here in London's behaviour
0:06:48 > 0:06:54and response has been shambolic
0:06:54 > 0:06:57Given that the Scottish Parliament has mandated the First Minister
0:06:57 > 0:07:02to negotiate on Scotland's behalf, to secure its place within the EU,
0:07:02 > 0:07:04will the Government specifically respect that?
0:07:04 > 0:07:08And if ultimately we end up in a situation where the Parliament
0:07:08 > 0:07:13in Edinburgh votes for a referendum, will the Government
0:07:13 > 0:07:14in London consent to that?
0:07:14 > 0:07:17My remit in this department does not cover the full breadth
0:07:17 > 0:07:20of constitutional issues, but I can say there is cert`inly
0:07:20 > 0:07:23respect for Scotland's position and the First Minister,
0:07:23 > 0:07:26and the fact that the Prime Minister broke a reshuffle in order to go
0:07:26 > 0:07:35after Scotland, I think it's an indication of that respect.
0:07:35 > 0:07:38I would like to repeat my fhrst commitment, the commitment
0:07:38 > 0:07:40of the Prime Minister and the Government as a whole
0:07:40 > 0:07:42to fully involve the devolvdd administrations in the prep`rations
0:07:42 > 0:07:44for the complex task ahead of us.
0:07:44 > 0:07:46The new Brexit Minister hedging his bets, there,
0:07:46 > 0:07:48on the question of a second Scottish referendum.
0:07:48 > 0:07:50Meanwhile, in the Lords, peers debated the impact
0:07:50 > 0:07:54of our EU exit on farming.
0:07:54 > 0:07:56One peer had reservations about the appointment
0:07:56 > 0:08:00of Andrea Leadsom, the formdr Conservative leadership candidate,
0:08:00 > 0:08:03to the role of Secretary of State for Environment,
0:08:03 > 0:08:05Food Rural Affairs.
0:08:05 > 0:08:12In 2007, Mrs Leadsom demanddd that farm subsidies be abolished.
0:08:12 > 0:08:14That would be good for food production and for
0:08:14 > 0:08:17the environment(!)
0:08:17 > 0:08:19It would lay waste up in Wales.
0:08:19 > 0:08:21Then, in a Guardian debate before the referendum,
0:08:21 > 0:08:24Mrs Leadsom suggested that farmers with, and I quote, big
0:08:24 > 0:08:29fields to the sheep, and those with hill farms
0:08:29 > 0:08:30do the butterflies.
0:08:30 > 0:08:32Hello, sky! Hello, trees!
0:08:32 > 0:08:35Hello, grass! Hello, butterflies!
0:08:35 > 0:08:38The debate had been called by a conservative worried
0:08:38 > 0:08:43about the impact of leaving the EU on farmers.
0:08:43 > 0:08:45What exactly will our futurd relationship with
0:08:45 > 0:08:46the European Union be?
0:08:46 > 0:08:49I am sure, my Lords, we appreciate that this
0:08:49 > 0:08:52is like going through a divorce a very painful divorce,
0:08:52 > 0:08:55but instead of there being one injured party,
0:08:55 > 0:08:58there are 27 injured parties.
0:08:58 > 0:09:05And we must approach these negotiations with sensitivity.
0:09:05 > 0:09:09We are heavily dependent on the farming and
0:09:09 > 0:09:11fruit-growing and vegetable sector on migrant workers.
0:09:11 > 0:09:16Seasonal fruit and vegetabld growers do all the picking,
0:09:16 > 0:09:25the packing and the processhng on a temporary, seasonal basis,
0:09:25 > 0:09:27and there are no obvious substitutes from either the UK
0:09:27 > 0:09:28or Commonwealth countries.
0:09:28 > 0:09:30One crossbencher related a conversation he had had
0:09:30 > 0:09:32with the fruit farmer.
0:09:32 > 0:09:37He, in particular, needs foreign, seasonal labour, that tends to come
0:09:37 > 0:09:39from poorer EU countries, and he puts them on a full
0:09:39 > 0:09:42board basis, as do many other people in the area.
0:09:42 > 0:09:48And the arrangement is very satisfactory to everyone.
0:09:48 > 0:09:50His business is going so well that he would like to invest
0:09:50 > 0:09:55in increasing the business.
0:09:55 > 0:09:58That's quite expensive,
0:09:58 > 0:10:00as it costs about ?20,000 an acre
0:10:00 > 0:10:03to put up polytunnels and to produce satisfactory irrigation for that,
0:10:03 > 0:10:06and he would have to invest, as well, in the accommodation.
0:10:06 > 0:10:16But he is not going to do that because, at the moment,
0:10:16 > 0:10:18he is not confident of the availability at similar cost
0:10:18 > 0:10:20of skilled EU labour going forward.
0:10:20 > 0:10:22Whilst a Lib Dem was worried about what the withdrawal of EU
0:10:22 > 0:10:24subsidies might mean for the wider rural communities
0:10:24 > 0:10:27The ?3 billion that flows into our rule areas from thd EU
0:10:27 > 0:10:30is not something I believe that the Treasury will naturally
0:10:30 > 0:10:37want to continue.
0:10:37 > 0:10:40I think they will look to that pot of ?3 billion to start fundhng
0:10:40 > 0:10:41their other priorities.
0:10:41 > 0:10:49The minister struck a posithve tone.
0:10:49 > 0:10:52We are determined to strike a good and positive trade deals
0:10:52 > 0:10:53with the EU, accelerating otr international trade negotiations.
0:10:53 > 0:10:56Our food and rig exports have increased by over 6% since 2010
0:10:56 > 0:10:58and we wish to advance on these
0:10:58 > 0:10:59-- food and drink.
0:10:59 > 0:11:02Also, particularly in non-ET countries, where exports
0:11:02 > 0:11:04have been increasing steadily from 34% in 2010,
0:11:04 > 0:11:09to 40% in 2015.
0:11:09 > 0:11:14Surely, my Lords, with the global population growth to reach
0:11:14 > 0:11:198.1 billion by 2025, the demand for food will increase
0:11:19 > 0:11:23and that means there will shortly be enormous market opportunitids
0:11:23 > 0:11:24for us here.
0:11:24 > 0:11:27We will forge the strongest economic links with our European neighbours,
0:11:27 > 0:11:30as well as our close friends in North America,
0:11:30 > 0:11:33the Commonwealth and countrhes such as Japan and China, where export
0:11:33 > 0:11:36opportunities are endless.
0:11:37 > 0:11:38Lord Gardiner of Kimble.
0:11:38 > 0:11:46You're watching Thursday in Parliament with me, Alicia LcCarthy.
0:11:46 > 0:11:48The Education Secretary Justine Greening has announced
0:11:48 > 0:11:52that she will not be introdtcing a new school funding system
0:11:52 > 0:11:55for England until 2018.
0:11:55 > 0:11:59The expectation was that it would begin in 2017 but Ms Greening
0:11:59 > 0:12:03said it was important not to "rush into" any changes.
0:12:03 > 0:12:06The 40 councils in England with the lowest education btdgets
0:12:06 > 0:12:10have been campaigning for a fairer system for 20 years.
0:12:10 > 0:12:13Labour called the Government's attitude to funding "woeful"
0:12:13 > 0:12:16and said schools were struggling to cope.
0:12:16 > 0:12:20This is a once in a generathon opportunity for an
0:12:20 > 0:12:23historic change, and therefore we have got to make sure we take time
0:12:23 > 0:12:25to get that final approach right.
0:12:25 > 0:12:29We will run a full consultation and make final decisions
0:12:29 > 0:12:30early in the New Year.
0:12:30 > 0:12:33Given the importance of the consulting widely
0:12:33 > 0:12:37and fully with the sector, and getting implementation right,
0:12:37 > 0:12:41the new system will apply from 2018-19 and I will set
0:12:41 > 0:12:43out our full pact for a national funding formula
0:12:43 > 0:12:46for early years shortly.
0:12:46 > 0:12:48This Government's attitude to school funding is woeful.
0:12:48 > 0:12:50Talk about last minute.
0:12:50 > 0:12:56These schools are struggling to cope with the 5% funding shortagd
0:12:56 > 0:12:59already that was announced from the Chancellor's decishon
0:12:59 > 0:13:01to increase national insurance and teacher
0:13:01 > 0:13:03pensions contributions.
0:13:03 > 0:13:05Will the minister recognise the issues of the
0:13:05 > 0:13:09pupil numbers that are rising and we have a growing teacher shortage
0:13:09 > 0:13:15Will she help schools within this new formula?
0:13:15 > 0:13:18Only this Government, Mr Speaker, could have the `udacity
0:13:18 > 0:13:22to deliver real term cuts to school budgets across the board and
0:13:22 > 0:13:30claim this represents fair funding.
0:13:30 > 0:13:33Schools in Staffordshire ard some of the lowest funded in the country,
0:13:33 > 0:13:36and this has been of great concern to heads that I met last wedk.
0:13:36 > 0:13:39We had understood that we wdre moving to a fairer funding
0:13:39 > 0:13:41formula from 2017-18, it now seems it's going
0:13:41 > 0:13:45to be a year later.
0:13:45 > 0:13:48Will she make absolutely cldar that there could possibly bd
0:13:48 > 0:13:50transitional funding for 2007-1 , for those authorities
0:13:50 > 0:13:52which are in a desperate position at the moment,
0:13:52 > 0:13:55as Staffordshire is?
0:13:55 > 0:13:59I recognise the pressures that he has just set out,
0:13:59 > 0:14:03and I think this now gives ts a time to look at how we can deal
0:14:03 > 0:14:04with those effectively.
0:14:04 > 0:14:07We should also recognise th`t whilst there are those schools
0:14:07 > 0:14:10that are disadvantaged by their current formula,
0:14:10 > 0:14:15there is also going to be changes for schools under the new formula.
0:14:15 > 0:14:19I think it also gives us a chance to work effectively with those,
0:14:19 > 0:14:21to ensure that there is a sdnsible and measured transition
0:14:21 > 0:14:23from the historic approach that we are currently under,
0:14:23 > 0:14:25to the new approach, the sensible, fairer one
0:14:25 > 0:14:29that we will be introducing.
0:14:29 > 0:14:32The noises coming out of the Department for Education
0:14:32 > 0:14:33suggested that London schools in particular would be
0:14:33 > 0:14:37seriously hit by any changes to the funding formula.
0:14:37 > 0:14:40Schools in Harrow have been advised that they face potentially ` 3% 8%
0:14:40 > 0:14:43cut in real terms to their budgets, as a result of the changes
0:14:43 > 0:14:47that her department are considering.
0:14:47 > 0:14:50Can she offer any reassurance to the headteachers and pardnts
0:14:50 > 0:14:52in my constituency that that isn't going to be the case?
0:14:52 > 0:14:56I've set out the details of how we're to proceed in my statdment
0:14:56 > 0:15:00today, but as his point very clearly sets out,
0:15:00 > 0:15:05for schools that will see a change in the funding that they receive
0:15:05 > 0:15:08as a result of us evening up and making the system fairer,
0:15:08 > 0:15:11these are important changes and I think it's right we now give
0:15:11 > 0:15:14ourselves the time to effectively make sure we can help schools
0:15:14 > 0:15:16deal with them well, and help them steadily
0:15:16 > 0:15:20be transitioned in.
0:15:20 > 0:15:22STUDIO: Justine Greening also took took the opportunity
0:15:22 > 0:15:26to set out her wider aims.
0:15:26 > 0:15:29I'd like to see my department really be a central engine for sochal
0:15:29 > 0:15:30mobility more broadly.
0:15:30 > 0:15:32I think we need to challengd ourselves across government
0:15:32 > 0:15:37and the DFE has a key role to play in this, in saying that we don't
0:15:37 > 0:15:41just want children to be coling out of our schools better educated,
0:15:41 > 0:15:44we want to make sure that the jobs and the careers are there,
0:15:44 > 0:15:47for them to really be able to make the most of their potential.
0:15:47 > 0:15:50In the end, a country's most important asset is its people.
0:15:50 > 0:15:52That's why she said she was delighted to be givdn
0:15:52 > 0:15:54the job of Education Secret`ry.
0:15:55 > 0:15:58Now Turkey's president has declared a state of emergency for three
0:15:58 > 0:16:04months following Friday night's failed army coup.
0:16:04 > 0:16:08It allows the President and Cabinet to bypass Parliament when drafting
0:16:08 > 0:16:13new laws and to restrict or suspend rights and freedoms.
0:16:13 > 0:16:16Turkey has formally charged 99 generals and admirals
0:16:16 > 0:16:19in connection with the weekdnd's thwarted coup attempt.
0:16:19 > 0:16:23That's just under a third of the country's top military officers.
0:16:23 > 0:16:26The authorities have banned all academics from travelling
0:16:26 > 0:16:31abroad, as the purge of state employees continues.
0:16:31 > 0:16:33More than 50,000 people have been rounded up,
0:16:33 > 0:16:36sacked or suspended.
0:16:36 > 0:16:39In the Lords, peers raised concerns about the purge of the judiciary.
0:16:39 > 0:16:43The mass dismissal of judges and of other public servants
0:16:43 > 0:16:50is extremely worrying, because it is stripping awax
0:16:50 > 0:16:55the last defence against authoritarianism, and the ilposition
0:16:55 > 0:17:01of emergency rule effectively allows the president to rule by decree
0:17:01 > 0:17:04I would hope that the Government can assure me that in conjunction
0:17:04 > 0:17:08with our European allies, while we are still in the ET,
0:17:08 > 0:17:14that we will make strong representations on the need to keep
0:17:14 > 0:17:18an independent judiciary, because this is the only body
0:17:18 > 0:17:22to whom those who may have well have been unfairly dismissed,
0:17:22 > 0:17:32can at the moment apply, to get their rights reinstated.
0:17:32 > 0:17:33Of course, retaining an inddpendent judiciary,
0:17:33 > 0:17:35and an operating on, will require judges, working
0:17:35 > 0:17:38to apply the due process of law and that is absolutely essential
0:17:38 > 0:17:42if we are to see the standards we wish to see upheld in Turkey
0:17:42 > 0:17:48These are views that we hold very publicly the United Kingdom,
0:17:48 > 0:17:50and our views which we are reflecting.
0:17:50 > 0:17:52The speed and the scale of the purge of judges suggdsts
0:17:52 > 0:17:55that there was a plan pre-existing the actual coup, which has now
0:17:55 > 0:17:57been put into effect.
0:17:57 > 0:18:01What does the noble lady, the minister, say about
0:18:01 > 0:18:05the possibility of the reimposition of the death penalty by the Turkish
0:18:05 > 0:18:08president, which will be in breach of Turkey's obligations unddr
0:18:08 > 0:18:11the Council of Europe?
0:18:11 > 0:18:15Which is well-known to Turkdy, because its Foreign Minister
0:18:15 > 0:18:19was a former president of the Council of Europe Assembly.
0:18:19 > 0:18:22The noble lord does make an important point, and I whsh
0:18:22 > 0:18:25to say in relation to the coup it is not yet clear
0:18:25 > 0:18:27who was behind the coup attdmpt
0:18:27 > 0:18:29I think it is unhelpful to speculate on that.
0:18:29 > 0:18:32What I would say to him, in relation to the death penalty,
0:18:32 > 0:18:35is to repeat what I said earlier this week in this chamber.
0:18:35 > 0:18:37That suggestions that the ddath penalty may return are very
0:18:37 > 0:18:40worrying, and the Foreign Sdcretary and other international leaders have
0:18:40 > 0:18:41emphasised the need for call.
0:18:41 > 0:18:45But let me be utterly clear - the UK policy is clear on the death
0:18:45 > 0:18:49penalty: We oppose it in all circumstances.
0:18:49 > 0:18:52What consideration is being given to many Turkish nationals
0:18:52 > 0:18:54who are over here on visas?
0:18:54 > 0:18:57Some of whom have contacted me, and are afraid of what might
0:18:57 > 0:19:01happen if they return, and some may have been crithcal
0:19:01 > 0:19:05of the present government, but some are here on student visas
0:19:05 > 0:19:09and work visas and they are worried.
0:19:09 > 0:19:11The community here needs sole reassurance that the British
0:19:11 > 0:19:14government will have some contact with those people here.
0:19:14 > 0:19:18The United Kingdom is very clear and has reasserted to the Ttrkish
0:19:18 > 0:19:26government our insistence that we expect human rights to be
0:19:26 > 0:19:29observed, we expect freedoms to be respected, we expect the rule
0:19:29 > 0:19:30of law to be applied.
0:19:30 > 0:19:32This is a fluid and fast moving situation, but I think
0:19:33 > 0:19:33it is very encouraging.
0:19:33 > 0:19:36As I said, the Right Honourable Minister for Europe
0:19:36 > 0:19:38and the Americas is, as we speak, in Turkey,
0:19:38 > 0:19:44engaged with the Government.
0:19:44 > 0:19:47And I'm sure the concerns the noble lady holds, will be prominent
0:19:47 > 0:19:49and to the forefront of the discussions taking place
0:19:49 > 0:19:50Lady Goldie.
0:19:50 > 0:19:53Now, a Labour MP is calling for a complete ban on the manuf`cture,
0:19:53 > 0:19:54sale and use of snares.
0:19:54 > 0:19:58There's only one kind of sn`re currently legal in the UK.
0:19:58 > 0:20:01They are used to catch rabbhts, or, more often, foxes,
0:20:01 > 0:20:04but their opponents have long claimed they are inhumane.
0:20:04 > 0:20:08A Labour MP opened the debate.
0:20:08 > 0:20:12Although their purpose is to immobilise targeted animals,
0:20:12 > 0:20:15most snares cause extreme stffering to animals and often lead
0:20:15 > 0:20:17to a painful, lingering death.
0:20:17 > 0:20:19Animals caught in snares suffer huge stress and can
0:20:19 > 0:20:21sustain horrific injuries.
0:20:21 > 0:20:24Snares can cause abdominal, chest, neck, leg and head
0:20:25 > 0:20:28injuries to animals.
0:20:28 > 0:20:31Some animals get their legs caught in the snares and end up
0:20:31 > 0:20:33with the wire cutting through to the bone.
0:20:33 > 0:20:35The number and diversity of animals that fall victim
0:20:35 > 0:20:38to snares is immense.
0:20:38 > 0:20:41It's simply not possible to control which animals
0:20:41 > 0:20:43will be caught in a snare.
0:20:43 > 0:20:47A snare set to catch a fox is just as capable
0:20:47 > 0:20:52of catching other species, cats, dogs, badgers, otters, deer,
0:20:52 > 0:20:56hares, and livestock, who all suffer terrible injtries
0:20:56 > 0:21:00or can be killed by snares.
0:21:00 > 0:21:03In 2012, DEFRA produced an extensive report on snarhng
0:21:03 > 0:21:07in England and Wales, which suggests that up
0:21:07 > 0:21:11to 1.7 million animals are trapped in these primitive devices dvery
0:21:11 > 0:21:16year - which equates to almost 00 animals caught each and every hour.
0:21:16 > 0:21:18But a Conservative MP, who is a farmer, argued
0:21:18 > 0:21:22there was a place for snares.
0:21:22 > 0:21:26He quoted the Game and Wildlife Conservation Trust.
0:21:26 > 0:21:29Foxes kill young lambs and piglets being reared outdoors and free range
0:21:29 > 0:21:30and domestic poultry.
0:21:30 > 0:21:34Foxes also prey on vulnerable wildlife, ground nesting birds
0:21:34 > 0:21:37like black grouse, partridge, lapwing, curlew
0:21:37 > 0:21:40and stone-curlews and brown hare.
0:21:40 > 0:21:42Several of these are species of conservation concern.
0:21:42 > 0:21:45There are several methods to control foxes, but none of them
0:21:45 > 0:21:48are effective in all circumstances.
0:21:48 > 0:21:51One method widely used for foxes is snaring.
0:21:51 > 0:21:55Snares are particularly effdctive for foxes in places and at times
0:21:55 > 0:21:59of year when rifle shooting is not possible because of the dense cover,
0:21:59 > 0:22:03but when fox control may be critical for wildlife prey.
0:22:03 > 0:22:07Nobody goes out and sets a snare with any sense of glee or pleasure.
0:22:07 > 0:22:10This is a practical requirelent for people whose job it is to manage
0:22:10 > 0:22:12wildlife populations, for the protection either of game
0:22:12 > 0:22:18birds or agricultural animals.
0:22:18 > 0:22:21Everybody who does it, does it to the best of their abilitx,
0:22:21 > 0:22:26nobody derives a pleasure from it and if it was as inefficient
0:22:26 > 0:22:29as the honourable gentleman claimed it was in his opening remarks,
0:22:29 > 0:22:32then the fact is, these people wouldn't use it.
0:22:32 > 0:22:35The minister said a new codd of practice was being drawn up.
0:22:35 > 0:22:39I think what's different from the 2005 Code is this
0:22:39 > 0:22:41code has been designed and owned by the sector,
0:22:41 > 0:22:43rather than by government.
0:22:43 > 0:22:47Of course, government has h`d conversations and brought
0:22:47 > 0:22:55people to this place, but by showing leadership in this
0:22:55 > 0:22:57they will undoubtedly have lore success in promoting good practice
0:22:57 > 0:22:59with their members and changing behaviour than government
0:22:59 > 0:23:00could achieve on its own.
0:23:00 > 0:23:02I cannot announce today, Madam Deputy Speaker,
0:23:02 > 0:23:05exactly when the code will be published, but I am confident
0:23:05 > 0:23:06that it will be very soon.
0:23:06 > 0:23:09I'm day four in this role as a minister, and I'm really
0:23:09 > 0:23:11looking forward to this code being published
0:23:11 > 0:23:13and being put into practice.
0:23:13 > 0:23:16And she said it should be introduced before any furthdr
0:23:16 > 0:23:19action was considered.
0:23:19 > 0:23:23Finally, it's been a week for new faces in new places,
0:23:23 > 0:23:25as the ministerial team appointed by Theresa May has begun
0:23:25 > 0:23:28appearing in the Commons.
0:23:28 > 0:23:32Thursday was the first outing for the new Leader of the House
0:23:32 > 0:23:35David Lidington, who receivdd a warm welcome from his opposite ntmber,
0:23:35 > 0:23:37Labour's Paul Flynn.
0:23:37 > 0:23:41I fear that as a long admirdr of the honourable gentleman,
0:23:41 > 0:23:44that his political career might not be on an upward
0:23:44 > 0:23:51trajectory in his appointment, because his career has been
0:23:51 > 0:23:56blighted by his solid devotion to the three Rs -
0:23:56 > 0:24:01which are rationality, restraint and reasonableness.
0:24:01 > 0:24:07And these are not attributes that go well in his party at the molent
0:24:07 > 0:24:09Paul Flynn drew attention to a little known fact about David
0:24:09 > 0:24:11Lidington.
0:24:11 > 0:24:17He's also, I'm told by my friend from Cardiff West, the suprdme
0:24:17 > 0:24:23champion on the television programme University Challenge.
0:24:23 > 0:24:26That not only did he win splendidly in his own time,
0:24:26 > 0:24:29but when he came back to challenge his challengers
0:24:29 > 0:24:34he was the supreme challengdr, the supreme winner there.
0:24:34 > 0:24:39So it's great to know that he is, he is doing this job
0:24:39 > 0:24:43from the platform of his own scholarship and knowledge.
0:24:43 > 0:24:45The Leader of the House is indeed perhaps our most
0:24:45 > 0:24:46illustrious egghead!
0:24:46 > 0:24:49LAUGHTER.
0:24:49 > 0:24:54Mr Speaker, I'm not sure how I respond to that complement.
0:24:54 > 0:25:01I have felt, as a student of Elizabethan history,
0:25:01 > 0:25:05in the last three or four wdeks it has been the closest thing to living
0:25:05 > 0:25:08through one of the crises of the 16th century Tudor Court that
0:25:08 > 0:25:11any of us is likely to experience, and I expect events in Brithsh
0:25:11 > 0:25:14politics this year would have given Hilary Mantel ample material
0:25:14 > 0:25:16for her next trilogy.
0:25:16 > 0:25:20While the SNPs Pete Wishart used his last appearance before
0:25:20 > 0:25:23the recess to have a dig at the Labour benches.
0:25:23 > 0:25:25Have a happy civil war, to my friends
0:25:25 > 0:25:26in the Labour Party...
0:25:26 > 0:25:27LAUGHTER.
0:25:27 > 0:25:33I don't know what will be rdturning to, whether it's just
0:25:33 > 0:25:36going to be one Labour Partx or the Social Democratic Party
0:25:36 > 0:25:37or Blairites emerging from these benches.
0:25:37 > 0:25:40All I can say, Mr Speaker, is we'll be back as the real
0:25:40 > 0:25:41and effective opposition.
0:25:41 > 0:25:42The SNP's Pete Wishart.
0:25:42 > 0:25:45We'll be back in the autumn, too, when MPs and peers return
0:25:45 > 0:25:47to Westminster on September the 5th.
0:25:47 > 0:25:50But until then, from me, Alicia McCarthy, goodbye.