:00:23. > :00:27.Hello and welcome to Thursday in Parliament.
:00:28. > :00:30.Coming up on this programme: The Lords warn the Government
:00:31. > :00:35.needs to be on its guard against an increase in hate crime.
:00:36. > :00:48.There has been a 40% increase. This is not a spike, this is a trend.
:00:49. > :00:52.A Ukip peer explains why he wants curbs on migration.
:00:53. > :01:00.And a Conservative peer bids goodbye to Barack Obama.
:01:01. > :01:04.Tomorrow we will be read of the most useless American President I have
:01:05. > :01:09.ever seen in my lifetime. Labour has called on the Government
:01:10. > :01:14.to head off a potential wave of hate crime, when the Supreme Court
:01:15. > :01:16.makes its expected judgment An earlier ruling in
:01:17. > :01:20.the High Court led to a backlash The latest crime figures
:01:21. > :01:30.reveal a 40% increase in hate crimes in the month
:01:31. > :01:32.after the referendum vote in England and Wales,
:01:33. > :01:34.compared with the same month The leader of the Labour Peers
:01:35. > :01:38.raised her fears about All of us want to maintain good
:01:39. > :01:44.relations with our EU neighbours as we move forward on Brexit and we do
:01:45. > :01:48.not want another spike in hate crimes that we saw
:01:49. > :01:50.following the referendum, or the attacks on judges
:01:51. > :01:58.following the court's decision. This week the Prime Minister said
:01:59. > :02:01.every stray word and every hyped up media report is going to make it
:02:02. > :02:05.harder for us to get the right deal Did the Foreign Secretary
:02:06. > :02:08.Boris Johnson not get the And can the noble lady confirm
:02:09. > :02:12.whether the Prime Minister has conveyed to the governments
:02:13. > :02:16.concerned, to those sections of the media that she was alluding to,
:02:17. > :02:19.that all agree that such histrionic reports can
:02:20. > :02:20.damage the interests and the reputation of
:02:21. > :02:21.the We all have a duty to behave
:02:22. > :02:31.in a responsible way but it is in society being tolerant,
:02:32. > :02:35.not just tolerant, but welcoming of the various communities
:02:36. > :02:38.that live in our country that we will make progress, and the media
:02:39. > :02:45.is part and parcel of that. Can she think of a single precedent
:02:46. > :02:48.where we have been asked to ask a hypothetical question
:02:49. > :02:50.in connection with a hypothetical Is it not extraordinary
:02:51. > :02:54.that there is an order to ask a It is hypothetical
:02:55. > :02:58.but I hope that I can reassure my noble friend
:02:59. > :03:09.that in fact what this Government is is prepared,
:03:10. > :03:11.and learnt the lessons from what we have seen
:03:12. > :03:13.in the last year. The latest crime figures show
:03:14. > :03:15.an increase of about 200 hate times per week, 2015-2016,
:03:16. > :03:18.compared with the year before. There has been a 40%
:03:19. > :03:21.increase in hate crimes This is not a spike,
:03:22. > :03:33.this is a trend. Police action is
:03:34. > :03:34.simply addressing the What assessment has the Government
:03:35. > :03:38.made of the causes of these Does the Government believe
:03:39. > :03:41.as we do that the increase in populism and nationalism is
:03:42. > :03:44.behind the significant and worrying I heard various tales
:03:45. > :03:51.post-referendum of the various Yes, and I will get
:03:52. > :04:04.to the point about pre-referendum, because in fact
:04:05. > :04:05.the numbers of hate crimes being reported
:04:06. > :04:07.are now The reasons behind some
:04:08. > :04:12.of the hate crimes What motivates people
:04:13. > :04:16.to provoke hatred It is generally based on certain
:04:17. > :04:21.characteristics of those people and of those communities
:04:22. > :04:22.and it has gone down to pre-referendum levels
:04:23. > :04:23.since As someone, and I declare an
:04:24. > :04:42.interest in my work as chairman of Kick It Out, where we monitor and
:04:43. > :04:45.have been monitoring for the last 23 years, hate incidents,
:04:46. > :04:47.which are at the lower That is nothing new about the level
:04:48. > :04:51.of hatred that exists within our society and we have got to tackle
:04:52. > :04:54.the issue of prejudice which we are To blame Brexit as a
:04:55. > :04:58.consequence of what we saw on June the 24th and since,
:04:59. > :05:03.is actually delusional. abuse that we are witnessing,
:05:04. > :05:10.disabled people who are being abused, you cannot blame that
:05:11. > :05:12.specifically on Brexit in the So I ask you to consider
:05:13. > :05:26.how we are taking action to effectively
:05:27. > :05:28.tackle prejudice which Over in the Commons at Business
:05:29. > :05:42.questions an SNP MP was also looking ahead to the Supreme Court
:05:43. > :05:45.judgement due next week The court will give a final ruling
:05:46. > :05:51.on whether or not Parliament should have a say on triggering Article
:05:52. > :05:53.50 - the formal start Now we know now it is almost
:05:54. > :06:03.certain that a vote will be required in order to
:06:04. > :06:05.trigger Article 50. So will he confirm that this bill
:06:06. > :06:08.will be subject to the maximum scrutiny, thoroughly amendable,
:06:09. > :06:10.and properly debated, in this House? Can we have a debate about how
:06:11. > :06:14.to win friends and influence people? Because the Foreign Secretary's
:06:15. > :06:17.starting to look like a dodgy character out of Allo Allo,
:06:18. > :06:20.doing his utmost to upset the very people that global Britain needs
:06:21. > :06:23.to negotiate with to get a good deal We now know that this Government's
:06:24. > :06:38.predominant obsession, everything that underpins its approach
:06:39. > :06:40.to leaving the European Union, is immigration and freedom
:06:41. > :06:45.of movement. The Government plans
:06:46. > :06:47.a great repeal bill to move EU rules and regulations
:06:48. > :06:50.into UK law. At Prime Minister's Questions an SNP
:06:51. > :06:53.MP had asked whether the bill would be subject to a process known
:06:54. > :06:56.as English Votes for English Laws or Evel -
:06:57. > :06:58.where Scottish MPs are excluded from voting on legislation that
:06:59. > :07:11.applies only to England. Will the Leader of the House
:07:12. > :07:14.do what the Prime Minister failed to do yesterday
:07:15. > :07:17.and that is to confirm that the Engslish Votes
:07:18. > :07:19.for English Laws procedure will not be applied
:07:20. > :07:21.to the great repeal bill? This bill will cut across many
:07:22. > :07:23.devolved competencies. There is going to be so many
:07:24. > :07:27.jurisdictions involved when it comes So will he do what the Prime
:07:28. > :07:31.Minister failed to do The leader of the House turned first
:07:32. > :07:36.to whether there would need to be a bill in Parliament to trigger
:07:37. > :07:38.Article 50 beginning Until the Supreme Court has ruled
:07:39. > :07:43.we don't know whether any bill But any bill if it is
:07:44. > :07:48.to become law it to go through the full
:07:49. > :07:53.parliamentary process through the full parliamentary
:07:54. > :07:56.process in this chamber and the For any matter to be subject
:07:57. > :08:05.to the Evel arrangement it It must refer to a matter
:08:06. > :08:09.which is devolved The legislation here must refer
:08:10. > :08:13.only to England or to And third, there must be
:08:14. > :08:22.certification from Mr Speaker, that the clause or the
:08:23. > :08:27.Bill, or the statutory instrument, Those tests would continue to be
:08:28. > :08:40.the ones that would have to be met I think it is very clear to me
:08:41. > :08:45.that if for example we look at a measure that is repealing
:08:46. > :08:47.the European Communities Act 1972, clearly that has UK-wide
:08:48. > :08:50.implications and is not just confined to one part
:08:51. > :08:53.of the United Kingdom. Back in the Lords, a Conservative
:08:54. > :09:03.peer has lambasted Barack Obama as the most useless American
:09:04. > :09:07.president in my lifetime. Lord Blencathra was taking part
:09:08. > :09:10.in a debate titled "the challenges to the liberal international order
:09:11. > :09:13.posed by the development of populism Donald Trump is due to officially
:09:14. > :09:21.take over as US President on Friday. Lord Blencathra made clear
:09:22. > :09:25.he would be glad to see the end Tomorrow, my Lords, we will be rid
:09:26. > :09:38.of the most useless American President I have ever seen in my
:09:39. > :09:41.entire lifetime, whose only legacy He has withdrawn America
:09:42. > :09:52.from the world stage and left a disastrous vacuum that's been
:09:53. > :09:54.filled by Putin and China. He withdrew troops prematurely
:09:55. > :09:56.from Iraq and allowed Isil He laid down red lines on Syria
:09:57. > :10:00.on the use of gas in Syria and did nothing to enforce
:10:01. > :10:03.them when they were breached. He turned a blind eye
:10:04. > :10:05.to Russian hacking for seven years and nine months
:10:06. > :10:07.but suddenly became concerned, about Next time I visit the United States
:10:08. > :10:14.I will be able to use transgender I would say to the noble
:10:15. > :10:20.Lord his time is over, it is No one can accuse the
:10:21. > :10:26.Labour Party of not been I would never dream of doing
:10:27. > :10:30.that because they are And the Independent of December
:10:31. > :10:34.reported, the Labour Party is ramping up preparations to relaunch
:10:35. > :10:37.Jeremy Corbyn as a left-wing Senior party officials
:10:38. > :10:42.believe his unpolished authenticity could gather support from the same
:10:43. > :10:45.anti-establishment that has heralded the popularity of Donald
:10:46. > :10:47.Trump and Nigel Farage. So, my lords, I conclude
:10:48. > :10:50.there you have it. Populism is a wicked
:10:51. > :10:55.and evil thing if it is a right wing President Trump, but
:10:56. > :10:59.a good thing if it is a socialist Nobody can do hypocrisy better
:11:00. > :11:07.than the left liberal elite. But his world view was challenged
:11:08. > :11:10.by a former Liberal Democrat leader who urged politicians
:11:11. > :11:12.to leave their "tribes" and work together to counter the "dangerous"
:11:13. > :11:15.rise of populism and nationalism. He compared the situation
:11:16. > :11:19.today with the 1930s. The motto of the age you will recall
:11:20. > :11:23.was if you are going to lie, lie big Stick it on the side of a bus
:11:24. > :11:28.perhaps and send it around Our age bears horrible
:11:29. > :11:36.comparisons with that. Nor do I say that this
:11:37. > :11:44.was not a rational reaction I am not interested
:11:45. > :11:47.in who to blame but what Spare a thought for the lost tribes
:11:48. > :12:02.of Labour and the Tory party, If you are part of a Tory
:12:03. > :12:06.tradition of internationalism you find yourself in a party that
:12:07. > :12:09.has completely abandoned it? What do you do if you're
:12:10. > :12:12.one of those Labour members of Parliament who believes
:12:13. > :12:15.in the free market not as a master but as our servant and find your
:12:16. > :12:18.party has extensively rejected it? It's extraordinary in
:12:19. > :12:20.the last year how much politics has spun away
:12:21. > :12:21.to the to build that central
:12:22. > :12:37.consensus, that moderate liberal consensus,
:12:38. > :12:38.on which I believe the only chance lies
:12:39. > :12:41.of altering a very dangerous You're watching Thursday in
:12:42. > :12:45.Parliament with me Alicia McCarthy. The best way forward
:12:46. > :12:51.for the troubled region of Kashmir is a referendum,
:12:52. > :12:53.some MPs have suggested, so the people can
:12:54. > :12:55.determine their own future. The problems in Kashmir go
:12:56. > :12:58.back to the late 1940s when the area was divided
:12:59. > :13:02.between India and Pakistan. Both countries, which
:13:03. > :13:05.are now nuclear powers, The dispute has led to two wars
:13:06. > :13:10.and frequent conflicts and there has been an escalation of
:13:11. > :13:15.violence in recent months. After 70 years of inaction
:13:16. > :13:20.since the original resolutions were passed, requiring the conflict
:13:21. > :13:24.to be resolved by peaceful democratic means, it is
:13:25. > :13:28.easy to see why so many in the Kashmiri community think
:13:29. > :13:30.the United Nations has lost He said he appreciated
:13:31. > :13:33.the British Government had We wish to be friends
:13:34. > :13:41.with both India and Pakistan, but a candid and true friend is one
:13:42. > :13:44.who sometimes says things that the other friend
:13:45. > :13:50.may find unpalatable. I support my honourable
:13:51. > :13:54.friend's motion. This is not a question of supporting
:13:55. > :13:56.either the Indian Government or the Pakistani Government -
:13:57. > :13:59.it is about supporting Just as he and I campaigned for many
:14:00. > :14:05.years for a referendum to decide whether our country should be part
:14:06. > :14:09.of and governed by the European Union, surely the people
:14:10. > :14:14.of Kashmir should be afforded the same liberty of deciding
:14:15. > :14:17.how they want to be David Nuttall agreed that the people
:14:18. > :14:21.of Kashmir should have the right A right so historically exercised
:14:22. > :14:31.by the people of this country on 23rd of June last year
:14:32. > :14:34.when a majority voted No-one believes that there
:14:35. > :14:37.is an easy answer, but anything has to be better than having
:14:38. > :14:39.a military-controlled line of partition between the two
:14:40. > :14:47.neighbouring countries. Khalid Mahmood, the first MP
:14:48. > :14:49.of Kashmiri heritage, When a man goes out of a house,
:14:50. > :14:57.whether he be a father, a husband or a son, there is no
:14:58. > :15:00.guarantee that he will come back We have seen videos on YouTube,
:15:01. > :15:10.Facebook and other social media of people being summarily
:15:11. > :15:13.beaten up in the streets. by a disproportionate number
:15:14. > :15:17.of military personnel and beaten They are tortured and taken
:15:18. > :15:25.away, people go missing. In some instances, when they go
:15:26. > :15:32.missing, they do not come back. Another MP, whose parents came
:15:33. > :15:35.to the UK from Kashmir, talked about the use of pellet guns
:15:36. > :15:37.by Indian forces. They spray and maim
:15:38. > :15:39.through a six-foot circle. It is impossible to limit
:15:40. > :15:43.the number of casualties These are not precision weapons
:15:44. > :15:52.or defensive weapons, and their use in open public
:15:53. > :15:54.places must constitute That is why we see images
:15:55. > :16:03.of soldiers across Kashmir. They are there to protect
:16:04. > :16:11.citizens of all stripes. People who want to go to work,
:16:12. > :16:14.school, or university are allowed to do so only under the protection
:16:15. > :16:18.of the Indian army. Without the protection of Indian
:16:19. > :16:21.troops, we can see all too The National Human Rights Commission
:16:22. > :16:28.of India has freely criticised and called for punishments
:16:29. > :16:30.when the rule of law has not been That is not a level of freedom
:16:31. > :16:39.allowed to those residents in Pakistan, which is recognised
:16:40. > :16:41.as the world s leading The Foreign Office Minister Alok
:16:42. > :16:54.Sharma said he was very concerned" about violence
:16:55. > :16:55.in Indian-administered Kashmir and that pellet guns had been
:16:56. > :16:59.replaced by chilli powder shells. But he said the UK could not
:17:00. > :17:01.prescribe a solution to the situation in Kashmir
:17:02. > :17:04.or act as a mediator. MPs have been holding
:17:05. > :17:07.their annual debate to mark Holocaust Memorial Day,
:17:08. > :17:08.which falls on Friday Conservative former Cabinet minister
:17:09. > :17:17.Sir Eric Pickles recalled a visit to the Nazi extermination camp
:17:18. > :17:20.Treblinka in Poland - and criticised sinister deniers
:17:21. > :17:23.for continuing to say the Holocaust The best estimate is that somewhere
:17:24. > :17:37.between 700,000 and 900,000 Jews and around 2000 Roma were killed
:17:38. > :17:45.in Treblinka's gas chambers. More Jews were killed at Treblinka
:17:46. > :17:48.than at any other Nazi extermination There is a dignified
:17:49. > :17:55.monument and carefully laid stones remembering
:17:56. > :18:00.the different communities. I laid a wreath at the site and,
:18:01. > :18:03.following the visit, as most politicians do,
:18:04. > :18:07.I tweeted my observations. Within minutes, I received
:18:08. > :18:12.a tweet that said, "No one died at Treblinka,
:18:13. > :18:17.it was a transit camp. There were no gas chambers,
:18:18. > :18:21.no crematoria, no mass graves." I have no idea whether the person
:18:22. > :18:25.who sent me that tweet believed it or not, and it is too easy
:18:26. > :18:33.to dismiss this as yet another example of our post-truth world's
:18:34. > :18:36.fake news, which is all too prevalent on social media,
:18:37. > :18:39.but I think there is something To forget or belittle
:18:40. > :18:48.continues the holocaust. This month sees the release
:18:49. > :18:53.of the film Denial, which depicts one of the most
:18:54. > :18:56.infamous libel trials of the past 20 years involving
:18:57. > :19:03.the American historian, If one looks at the trailer,
:19:04. > :19:13.and at the comments made beneath it, there are thousands
:19:14. > :19:17.of abusive comments claiming Only a few days ago,
:19:18. > :19:28.David Irving claimed a new generation of
:19:29. > :19:36.holocaust sceptics - a fancy way of dressing
:19:37. > :19:38.up holocaust denial. Lord Pearson, has told the House
:19:39. > :19:47.of Lords that, "We don't want to go on letting in Bulgarian
:19:48. > :19:50.and Romanian gangsters He was speaking during a question
:19:51. > :19:53.about housing provision where a minister had been asked how
:19:54. > :19:56.many new homes would be needed to accommodate
:19:57. > :19:59.people coming to the UK. The higher migration
:20:00. > :20:01.scenario of the department's household projections shows
:20:02. > :20:03.that there are projected to be an average of 243,000
:20:04. > :20:05.new households forming each year Net migration accounts
:20:06. > :20:11.for an estimated 45% of this growth. In the main scenario,
:20:12. > :20:14.there are projected to be an average of 210,000 households forming
:20:15. > :20:20.per year, of which 37% A crossbench peer put
:20:21. > :20:28.the figure differently. It would mean building a home every
:20:29. > :20:31.five minutes, night and day, for new arrivals until such time
:20:32. > :20:39.as we get those numbers down. I know there is a strong view
:20:40. > :21:02.in the house that there is a lot All I'm pointing out is that it also
:21:03. > :21:09.calls. -- costs. It's a two-year cycle. We will next review it at the
:21:10. > :21:14.end of this year when some of the scenarios may well change because of
:21:15. > :21:18.the impact of the period of Brexit. The noble lord is absolutely right
:21:19. > :21:22.about the challenge of building more houses. That is certainly true. Most
:21:23. > :21:25.of that, as I said, is not to do with migration.
:21:26. > :21:28.My Lords, do the Government believe our National Health Service
:21:29. > :21:29.and our social care arrangements can survive...?
:21:30. > :21:38.That heckle coming from Labour's Lord Foulkes.
:21:39. > :21:44.My Lords, I have never denied that we need migrants, it is just
:21:45. > :21:47.that we do not want to go on letting in Bulgarian and Romanian
:21:48. > :21:56.Does the Government believe our NHS and social care can survive this
:21:57. > :21:58.sort of increase with their present funding arrangements,
:21:59. > :22:05.or do we have to consider something more radical for the longer term?
:22:06. > :22:09.My Lords, if I may try to address the joint
:22:10. > :22:15.question asked by the noble lords, Lord Pearson and Lord Foulkes,
:22:16. > :22:17.it is certainly the case that, across broad sections of public
:22:18. > :22:20.life, certainly including the NHS, we are heavily dependent on people
:22:21. > :22:31.Net migration will probably fall as a result of Brexit,
:22:32. > :22:33.but it will be some time before that happens.
:22:34. > :22:35.Still, we face all sorts of challenges in seeking
:22:36. > :22:47.Does the coming to power of Donald Trump in the US mean
:22:48. > :22:50.we could end up eating inferior food in the UK?
:22:51. > :22:52.That was suggestion at the start of the day
:22:53. > :22:56.The Commons was looking at how Britain's departure from the EU
:22:57. > :22:58.will impact on food, farming and the rural
:22:59. > :23:05.President-elect Trump spoke last week of the UK securing a very quick
:23:06. > :23:09.trade deal with the US once it has left the EU, which has led to fears
:23:10. > :23:11.that that could mean harsh compromises on issues such
:23:12. > :23:15.as the environment, animal welfare laws and food safety.
:23:16. > :23:18.Will the Secretary of State today reassure the house and people
:23:19. > :23:21.across the United Kingdom that any trade deal with the US will not
:23:22. > :23:31.involve such compromises, which would jeopardise our food
:23:32. > :23:38.Will she reassure us that she understands that a very
:23:39. > :23:41.quick deal is not necessarily the same as a very good deal
:23:42. > :23:46.The party on this side of the house is the only party that made a
:23:47. > :23:52.commitment to reflect animal welfare standards
:23:53. > :23:53.in trade negotiations, and that remains a commitment
:23:54. > :23:55.of the Government. There are opportunities for our
:23:56. > :23:57.agricultural sector in the US, particularly in sectors such
:23:58. > :24:00.as dairy, and possibly in sectors My colleagues in the Department
:24:01. > :24:03.for International Trade will obviously lead on these matters
:24:04. > :24:06.once we leave the European Union, but there will be potential
:24:07. > :24:17.opportunities for UK 90% of our beef and lamb export in
:24:18. > :24:21.this country are to the EU. So, the Prime Minister's threat to walk away
:24:22. > :24:27.from the single market with no deal for them would not be bad, it could
:24:28. > :24:31.leave them facing tariffs of up to 20% and that could be catastrophic.
:24:32. > :24:35.What assurances will there be to the farmers and crofters that the
:24:36. > :24:38.Government will not leave them exposed in this way? Well, I think
:24:39. > :24:43.the Prime Minister gave the assurance that we are seeking a good
:24:44. > :24:48.deal and no deal is better than a bad deal, which I then think anyone
:24:49. > :24:51.can disagree with. As the free ourselves from the Common
:24:52. > :24:54.agricultural problem that has added so many your graphic burdens to our
:24:55. > :24:57.farmers, what assessment has my honourable friend made of the
:24:58. > :25:03.financial burden that our farmers are facing as a result of the common
:25:04. > :25:08.agricultural policy and what extra freedom will this mean for our
:25:09. > :25:14.farmers any future? Unnecessary rules cost farmers millions of
:25:15. > :25:20.pounds and up to 3 million -- 300,000 man hours. I will be paying
:25:21. > :25:24.very close attention to these in the coming months as they look to better
:25:25. > :25:28.solutions for us rather than 28 EU states. Full Andrea Leadsom.
:25:29. > :25:32.And that's it from me for now, but do join me on Friday night at 11
:25:33. > :25:35.for a round up of the week here at Westminster -
:25:36. > :25:36.including a lively debate between Conservative,
:25:37. > :25:39.Sir Bill Cash and the Lib Dems Lady Ludford