0:00:20 > 0:00:25Hello there and welcome to assist in Parliament. On this programme, the
0:00:25 > 0:00:30Government comes under fire over its use of pipe public firms -- my
0:00:30 > 0:00:38private firms for public services. This government is blinded by the
0:00:38 > 0:00:43greed of these outsourcing companies.But government says that
0:00:43 > 0:00:48they have the expertise to deliver these services.That means there are
0:00:48 > 0:00:55savings for the taxpayers.And please call for the end of car
0:00:55 > 0:01:01parking charges in hospitals.Many parents cannot even afford to go see
0:01:01 > 0:01:10their premature babies because of the cost, type charges.Charity not
0:01:10 > 0:01:15provide emergency dental care is, more than half of dentist plan to
0:01:15 > 0:01:20leave the NHS in five years.But first, the Government has been
0:01:20 > 0:01:26accused of indifference, complacency with its use of outsourcing for
0:01:26 > 0:01:31public service. The accusation came after an MP as an urgent question
0:01:31 > 0:01:36about the firm that which has issued a profit warning. The company
0:01:36 > 0:01:41operates the traffic charge. Administers that teachers pension
0:01:41 > 0:01:49scheme. It also collects the licence fee on behalf of the BBC. The shares
0:01:49 > 0:01:53have plunged almost 50% following the profits warning announcement.
0:01:53 > 0:01:56The news comes hot on the heels of the collapse of the outsourcing
0:01:56 > 0:02:03rival Carillion. Answering an urgent question, the Minister said he
0:02:03 > 0:02:07understood MP 's concerns but said that capita was in a very different
0:02:07 > 0:02:11position.As has been widely reported, the company has
0:02:11 > 0:02:18significant cash reserves it is not a comparable position as Carillion.
0:02:18 > 0:02:26The issue that led to Carillion, will come out in due course. The
0:02:26 > 0:02:35float and difficulties... By contrast that his primary services
0:02:35 > 0:02:41business and most of the revenues comes from inside the UK. We
0:02:41 > 0:02:45regularly monitor the financial stability of all our financial
0:02:45 > 0:02:49supplies including them, as I said we do not believe that any of them
0:02:49 > 0:02:55are many comparable position as Carillion.I conclude that the
0:02:55 > 0:03:00Government's thinking on that is complacent. To say that the
0:03:00 > 0:03:04situations are different, but let us look Mr speakers that the
0:03:04 > 0:03:09circumstances of both companies. Pensions deficit is in the hundreds
0:03:09 > 0:03:14of millions. Both companies pay big dividends of more than £1 billion in
0:03:14 > 0:03:19the last five years. But both companies were on the public purse
0:03:19 > 0:03:25or have the contract. They were audited. Both companies grew through
0:03:25 > 0:03:29acquisition and offer organic growth. Mr Speaker, it seems that
0:03:29 > 0:03:31there are more similarities than differences between the two
0:03:31 > 0:03:39companies. Can the Minister honestly say that I cannot come in to the
0:03:39 > 0:03:44same fate as Carillion a couple weeks ago? That people have nothing
0:03:44 > 0:03:51to fear. Can he honestly say that people with pensions can rely on the
0:03:51 > 0:04:01full pensions upon retirement.She talked about issue of capita will
0:04:01 > 0:04:05not be issuing dividends. So money will be able to go back into the
0:04:05 > 0:04:16pension scheme, 200 million extra pounds to be spent in relation to...
0:04:16 > 0:04:20The chief executive has understood the situation it is quite a
0:04:20 > 0:04:26different situation is that pertained to Carillion.Will my
0:04:26 > 0:04:30right honourable friend look at the altar contempt in the House today
0:04:30 > 0:04:36for the private sector. Will he take on on time to actually publish in
0:04:36 > 0:04:45due course, a list of all those contracts, with up public sector
0:04:45 > 0:05:00between 1997 2010.We have engaged with the private sector. Your last
0:05:00 > 0:05:06successful prime Minister, Brown, the last person to hold the office,
0:05:06 > 0:05:11sorry Mr Speaker. May I correct the record on that. The last person to
0:05:11 > 0:05:18hold the office. It simply would not have been possible to build or
0:05:18 > 0:05:22refurbish such a number of schools and hospitals without using the pier
0:05:22 > 0:05:31by model.Only two years ago -- two weeks ago I warned that this was set
0:05:31 > 0:05:35to become a set of dominoes that would fall one after another. The
0:05:35 > 0:05:45Government's behaviour, and the minister's response today.
0:05:45 > 0:05:48Indifference to corporate mismanagement, complacency in face
0:05:48 > 0:05:52of a crisis. This government is blinded to corporate greed of these
0:05:52 > 0:05:58outsourcing companies, and would he agreed, to be clear than Minister
0:05:58 > 0:06:05himself said that the Government should be guided by evidence on
0:06:05 > 0:06:13outsourcing, not dogma.The last two weeks we are discussing private firm
0:06:13 > 0:06:16responsible for delivering vital services, served with a public --
0:06:16 > 0:06:25profit warning. Will the Government knowledge that... With the
0:06:25 > 0:06:30governments start rolling back on private agenda. Can we look forward
0:06:30 > 0:06:37to it proper plan taking public service back, will he not
0:06:37 > 0:06:40acknowledged that public sector employees should deliver public
0:06:40 > 0:06:49services.Of course we acknowledge a proper role for the public sector.
0:06:49 > 0:06:57That is why for example that the Government has committed £8 billion
0:06:57 > 0:07:04for the NHS. To the core of our argument, the reason why successive
0:07:04 > 0:07:07governments of all political persuasions have chosen to engage
0:07:07 > 0:07:10with the private sector for the delivery of services is because
0:07:10 > 0:07:16those companies have a speciality in it. They have is speciality to
0:07:16 > 0:07:19deliver in as a result of that speciality they can deliver them
0:07:19 > 0:07:28more efficiently. That means there are savings for the taxpayers.The
0:07:28 > 0:07:34Prime minister's fight with Brussels over the rights of EU citizens could
0:07:34 > 0:07:40have chilling effects some. Theresa May said she would try to block EU's
0:07:40 > 0:07:51demands. For citizens who moved during the transition period. Some
0:07:51 > 0:07:58APs may wonder what impact there could be on EU talks.The Prime
0:07:58 > 0:08:16Minister said...Nothing was agreed Thomas what I would point out to him
0:08:16 > 0:08:19in a joint report, which we have concluded an agreed-upon or
0:08:19 > 0:08:27December. European Union last night the EU agreed that permanent
0:08:27 > 0:08:36residents right, will be March 20 19.The primary is the's reported
0:08:36 > 0:08:44comments with limited access to arriving during the transition area
0:08:44 > 0:08:50and may in fact creating chilling effects of drawing on the skills of
0:08:50 > 0:08:53those people coming to UK and meeting the labour market gaps that
0:08:53 > 0:09:01we need to in many sectors.The clear to the right honourable lady,
0:09:01 > 0:09:10we will use this. To start a new art ship, for our future integration
0:09:10 > 0:09:14system. This is as high the citizen 's right agreement reached in
0:09:14 > 0:09:23September it does give certainty, the disagreement does not those who
0:09:23 > 0:09:30come after we leave.Juried information -- to implement this
0:09:30 > 0:09:32period, all foreigners will be treated equally in having access to
0:09:32 > 0:09:40our country.With all respect to my right honourable friend, who will
0:09:40 > 0:09:46remain a country that recognises the contribution of those with skills to
0:09:46 > 0:09:48make a contribution to counter but will also controlled the number of
0:09:48 > 0:09:56migrants coming, with training partners, we will have control of
0:09:56 > 0:10:08our borders, at this week the Government agreed to to leak
0:10:08 > 0:10:18documents say that the economy would be hit by Brexit.I also know that
0:10:18 > 0:10:24the first thing you did was jump on a plane to China. Can the Minister
0:10:24 > 0:10:29confirm that the Government's analysis also shows other obsession
0:10:29 > 0:10:37with cutting EU migration will be a serious breach in the economy?We
0:10:37 > 0:10:40are in the middle of negotiations but because the migration it is
0:10:40 > 0:10:45clear that UK will be committed designing its own immigration
0:10:45 > 0:10:49policies, which is determined by skills, talent and brains that's
0:10:49 > 0:10:55what will drive our economy forward, this will create jobs and growth.
0:10:55 > 0:11:01The EU said the transition period should last 21 months, the
0:11:01 > 0:11:12Government says two years.Could it be sure to?If I simply accept the
0:11:12 > 0:11:19proposal of the EU, yes.David Davis. It's been dubbed unjust, a
0:11:19 > 0:11:24sickness fax. MP 's call for the end of car parking charges. It's
0:11:24 > 0:11:38estimated the cost visitors, staff, £70 million a year.£53, people pay
0:11:38 > 0:11:46on average £1... For one Arrow state. No one chooses to be ill,
0:11:46 > 0:11:49people don't choose to go the hospital but though because they
0:11:49 > 0:11:55have to. I urge the Minister hear today to take urgent action to end
0:11:55 > 0:12:02this social injustice once and for all.Figures from charities for
0:12:02 > 0:12:09families dealing with premature babies.Some parents have to pay up
0:12:09 > 0:12:16to £250 if their baby stays in the unit and some they say, many parents
0:12:16 > 0:12:22cannot even afford to go see the premature baby. Because of the cost
0:12:22 > 0:12:27of hospital car parking charges.He had widespread support from other MP
0:12:27 > 0:12:33's.I walked in and got my ticket, checked on my screen and it was
0:12:33 > 0:12:38about 68 minutes wait to see my breath test. The time it takes me to
0:12:38 > 0:12:44get up blood test is a matter of minutes but time just like the time
0:12:44 > 0:12:49waiting 68 minutes, and this is not to bemoan the cost to my personal
0:12:49 > 0:12:53pocket, I know that I can't afford this but there are many in my who
0:12:53 > 0:13:00cannot.
0:13:00 > 0:13:04I want to seek government and hospital managers set up and take
0:13:04 > 0:13:09notice of this issue. Do not brush it off as a nonissue, it is not, try
0:13:09 > 0:13:12and see it through the eyes of others, and tackled the issue that
0:13:12 > 0:13:16is facing the everyday users of our hospitals. It is something that
0:13:16 > 0:13:20can't be it will make it easier for the lives of those who need the
0:13:20 > 0:13:25services and for that reason we should all care about it.She's to
0:13:25 > 0:13:29work for the NHS and described the charges as a tax on staff patients
0:13:29 > 0:13:33and carers as she described how staff had found a way around the
0:13:33 > 0:13:39system.One colleague of mine, decided he was going to buy own
0:13:39 > 0:13:44personal tool, and attach it to his car, when you're parked in the
0:13:44 > 0:13:48morning, which served to purposes, because it wasn't the best area, it
0:13:48 > 0:13:52mobilizes the card keeps it secure, and give the impression that he had
0:13:52 > 0:13:57been penalised for not parking it and paying. Within a few weeks pay
0:13:57 > 0:14:02itself.While replying, the Minister said it was a complicated situation
0:14:02 > 0:14:05with different problems at different hospitals, but he promised no
0:14:05 > 0:14:11immediate action. You are watching there in Parliament with me, Olivia
0:14:11 > 0:14:20McCarthy. -- Alyssa McCarthy. Now on Wednesday, MPs voted to leave the
0:14:20 > 0:14:25Palace of Westminster when it proposed multi-billion pound
0:14:25 > 0:14:29refurbishment takes place. Recent reports have concluded that the
0:14:29 > 0:14:33building is an fire risk, and has a gel wiring, poor plumbing and leaky
0:14:33 > 0:14:37roofs. The stomach is grumbling, and parts of the palace which largely
0:14:37 > 0:14:44were rebuilt in the 19th century has asbestos. On Wednesday, they voted
0:14:44 > 0:14:49for an amendment from the paper and the make, backing that option rather
0:14:49 > 0:14:53than emotion before by the common leader putting things off a bit
0:14:53 > 0:15:01longer. By at business questions, she said she was delighted.
0:15:01 > 0:15:04Yesterday evening, they took a historic decision to choose action
0:15:04 > 0:15:09to restore and rebuild the Palace of what's -- Westminster, and I would
0:15:09 > 0:15:12like to congratulate all members and right honourable members across the
0:15:12 > 0:15:14House for their attention to this debate and for the contribution to
0:15:14 > 0:15:20it. And I now, as Leader of the House will be taking forward the
0:15:20 > 0:15:25decision of this House following a debate to take place in the Other
0:15:25 > 0:15:32Place as soon as one can be arranged.I also want to make my
0:15:32 > 0:15:37thanks to those who signed the up amendment, it was well tempered and
0:15:37 > 0:15:45we have made a decision.BS SMP, did not coin the congratulations, he
0:15:45 > 0:15:49suggested that the Palace of Westminster should be turned over to
0:15:49 > 0:15:56be a torrid attraction. Now he talked about this crumbling house,
0:15:56 > 0:16:01and provoked this response from the common leader.This House is not
0:16:01 > 0:16:04crumbling. This infrastructure within it is the problem. The House
0:16:04 > 0:16:11as he will see, is beautiful and is not crumbling.It is vital that the
0:16:11 > 0:16:16decant is the shortest possible which we agree on, and personally
0:16:16 > 0:16:20think is worth more trips than I do what they traditionally do which is
0:16:20 > 0:16:25the stay as long as possible, it is my right honourable friend's
0:16:25 > 0:16:31opinion, that the body should have MPs and peers only voting so we can
0:16:31 > 0:16:36have a grip on this?I would like to pay tribute to my right honourable
0:16:36 > 0:16:40friend, because he has been a passionate advocate for the
0:16:40 > 0:16:44restoration and renewal of this place, and I am sorry, because he
0:16:44 > 0:16:48will no doubt be disappointed by the decision from yesterday, because
0:16:48 > 0:16:52whilst it does confirm action, it is not action along the lines that he
0:16:52 > 0:16:56would wish to speak, and I'm sympathetic to his personal view
0:16:56 > 0:16:59that in staying in this place we could do the job more efficiently
0:16:59 > 0:17:03and effectively, I am sympathetic. In direct response to the question
0:17:03 > 0:17:08about how to sponsor body will be set up, it will have a majority of
0:17:08 > 0:17:13parliamentarians, and their role will be to reflect the views of the
0:17:13 > 0:17:17range of views across both houses, on precisely what the delivery
0:17:17 > 0:17:22Authority should be tasked with delivering.Not that they have made
0:17:22 > 0:17:25this decision about restoration and renewal, can I urge the Leader of
0:17:25 > 0:17:30the House to get together her colleagues in the Department of
0:17:30 > 0:17:33Business and working pensions to put together a Parliamentary skills
0:17:33 > 0:17:36strategy because we're going to need thousands of people working on this
0:17:36 > 0:17:42building who will to understand and high-tech engineering skills and
0:17:42 > 0:17:46craft trade skills, which are not presently available in the country,
0:17:46 > 0:17:49this is an opportunity for everyone to have apprenticeships working here
0:17:49 > 0:17:56on the building.Yes first I would like to congratulate the honourable
0:17:56 > 0:17:59gentleman for his tenacity and also I would like to congratulate his
0:17:59 > 0:18:04honourable friend the chairman of the Public Accounts Committee for
0:18:04 > 0:18:07succeeding in her amendment yesterday. I am delighted that the
0:18:07 > 0:18:11House voted to take action, there are huge opportunities like you
0:18:11 > 0:18:15rightly pointed out, already being fulfilled in some cases for example,
0:18:15 > 0:18:19as he will know, there appears to the cast iron roofs being carried
0:18:19 > 0:18:23out in the UK, there will be lots of opportunities for new
0:18:23 > 0:18:26apprenticeship, and I can assure him that as leader of the comments I
0:18:26 > 0:18:36will take every opportunity to create jobs for young UK people.A
0:18:36 > 0:18:39senior conservative has criticised the sale of the British Embassy in
0:18:39 > 0:18:43Thailand. The Foreign Office told the nine acre site on the outskirts
0:18:43 > 0:18:48of Bangkok, for £420 million. The money will be used to modernise
0:18:48 > 0:18:53other embassies around the world. The chair of the Foreign Affairs
0:18:53 > 0:18:56Committee made his comments while answering questions on his
0:18:56 > 0:19:00committee's latest report.There's no question in leaving the EU that
0:19:00 > 0:19:02we should double our efforts with apartments, but surely this cannot
0:19:02 > 0:19:06come at the expense of manpower or money, being siphoned away from
0:19:06 > 0:19:12other parts of the world. Does the select committee chair share my
0:19:12 > 0:19:15concerns that the foreign offices do not have enough resources to put the
0:19:15 > 0:19:21investment we're going to need into Europe?I share absolutely my
0:19:21 > 0:19:24honourable friend's concert and he will be aware that a recent sale of
0:19:24 > 0:19:30an embassy in Thailand which admittedly raised a lot of money to
0:19:30 > 0:19:36address some of the holes in the spending of the Foreign Office will
0:19:36 > 0:19:39inherently have diminished in some way, our presence because the
0:19:39 > 0:19:44symbolic coatings and iconic places, there is essential to getting people
0:19:44 > 0:19:48through the door, and of course what is the purpose of a diplomatic
0:19:48 > 0:19:51mission but to get people to talk to us, and although these palaces may
0:19:51 > 0:19:57look glorious and indeed, none more so than our Paris embassy, the work
0:19:57 > 0:20:05that the ambassadors, is putting in to the building, not into the walls,
0:20:05 > 0:20:11but as a living embodiment, is essential to making sure that our
0:20:11 > 0:20:18network is increased and our reach is augmented and indeed that the
0:20:18 > 0:20:20economy is promoted and that is only possible when the resource it
0:20:20 > 0:20:26correctly.While replying he said that he withdraw the Department
0:20:26 > 0:20:29attention to what had been set and the Foreign Office would give its
0:20:29 > 0:20:34formal response the whole report in due course. Now the Government has
0:20:34 > 0:20:40rejected claims that dental care is in crisis, and the Lords, it was
0:20:40 > 0:20:43claimed that more than half of all event is planned to leave the NHS in
0:20:43 > 0:20:46the next five years, and that many poor children do not go to have
0:20:46 > 0:20:52their teeth checked. There were also calls for fluoride to be added to
0:20:52 > 0:20:57top water to help combat tooth decay. It appears out the scale of
0:20:57 > 0:21:01the problem.Dental care in England is in crisis. Charities now provide
0:21:01 > 0:21:06dental care in emergency, many children have tooth decay, more than
0:21:06 > 0:21:12half of them want to leave, and government spending on NHS dentistry
0:21:12 > 0:21:17has fallen by 170 million cents 2010. Many patients pay more and
0:21:17 > 0:21:21more.The Health Minister said the Government is increasing access to
0:21:21 > 0:21:28dentistry and reforming the current that the contract.I do not
0:21:28 > 0:21:32recognise the picture that the noble lady has painted, it is quite right
0:21:32 > 0:21:35that there are 25% of a five-year-old without decay, and I
0:21:35 > 0:21:40is not good enough, but that figure is increasing over the last ten
0:21:40 > 0:21:42years, and going up. I should also point out there are more dentist
0:21:42 > 0:21:49practising in the NHS than ever.By Lord dental care could be improved
0:21:49 > 0:21:55with fluoride in the water supply. This has been agreed by my noble
0:21:55 > 0:21:58friend and his department but not all water authorities are prepared
0:21:58 > 0:22:06to take this step. In the last decay, the average earnings of gone
0:22:06 > 0:22:12down by 30. This is of great concern to dentist, do not receive any
0:22:12 > 0:22:17government funding and how to cover all costs and equipment staffing and
0:22:17 > 0:22:22training unlike medical general practitioners. I declare my lord, my
0:22:22 > 0:22:30interest as vice president of the British fluoridation Society, is
0:22:30 > 0:22:33heard.We have talked about that recently, my honourable friend knows
0:22:33 > 0:22:38that the position is up for local areas to come forward with
0:22:38 > 0:22:41proposals, on this particular issue about that is, of course those that
0:22:41 > 0:22:45does are doing a great job in the NHS, we have more than ever. And I
0:22:45 > 0:22:48would like to point out that the 1% cap that has apply, and we know why
0:22:48 > 0:22:52that is applied because of the fiscal that has had to take place,
0:22:52 > 0:22:58that no book longer applies were waiting for them to root report so
0:22:58 > 0:23:06we can arrange future payments for them.Is the Minister aware that
0:23:06 > 0:23:1141.5% of children have not visited the dentist for the year up to
0:23:11 > 0:23:14September to thousand 17 and that many of these children are in the
0:23:14 > 0:23:21poorest communities in the country and many of which are now dependent
0:23:21 > 0:23:26on charity for dental care? What action we take to ensure that all
0:23:26 > 0:23:30children have proper access to NHS dentistry wherever they live
0:23:30 > 0:23:37throughout the country within a yes the noble lady is right, over 59% of
0:23:37 > 0:23:47children had seenI have to say that is improving picture, to do that
0:23:47 > 0:23:51issues, the programme but they're starting is targeting 30 local
0:23:51 > 0:23:54authorities with the worst oral outcome for children, and the range
0:23:54 > 0:23:57is quite dramatic from one area to the next, and they have also
0:23:57 > 0:24:03developed a corps off for to have been eventful -- dental health for
0:24:03 > 0:24:07children.While staying in the Lords, here's heard that more people
0:24:07 > 0:24:10sleeping rough in England than anytime since 2010, and government
0:24:10 > 0:24:15figures show that nearly 5000 people were seen or estimated to be on the
0:24:15 > 0:24:19street in a single night autumn last year. They wanted to know who was to
0:24:19 > 0:24:25blame?We were told that the Government set a target for top of
0:24:25 > 0:24:30having a number of rough sleepers by 2020 do, bring it back down to the
0:24:30 > 0:24:37number inherited from the previous labour government. In 2010, so whose
0:24:37 > 0:24:41fault is a doubling in the number of rough sleepers actually? Is it a
0:24:41 > 0:24:45conflict of government policy and housing benefit and other cuts in
0:24:45 > 0:24:51social care and mental health provision?I'm not really interested
0:24:51 > 0:24:53in that knock-about, the sticks were produced on a different basis
0:24:53 > 0:24:58previously so that is a factor to be taken into account, I am on record
0:24:58 > 0:25:02from saying before, it is a complex issue and a problem across Europe,
0:25:02 > 0:25:07with the exception of Finland and we have to have a business adviser on
0:25:07 > 0:25:10the committee, the Secretary of State has been defendant to study
0:25:10 > 0:25:16what is happening there, so we can get to grips which is what a serious
0:25:16 > 0:25:21problem across the country I have to say Lords my lords it is a problem
0:25:21 > 0:25:24in Wales and Scotland -- Scotland which was not controlled by this
0:25:24 > 0:25:29country.The housing government said that the Government is tackled the
0:25:29 > 0:25:36problem with £20 billion. That's it from me for now, to join me on BBC
0:25:36 > 0:25:45Parliament to look back at the week. But from now, from me, goodbye.