:00:00. > :00:00.Poking fun at the politicians - we speak to Ian Hislop about how
:00:00. > :00:08.satire is engaging a whole new audience.
:00:09. > :00:12.We've got a former Justice Secretary on fixing Scotland's alcohol
:00:13. > :00:38.problem, and Amy Macdonald is with us live.
:00:39. > :00:52.Shereen, you've been talking to West Wing actor, Andras Schiff.
:00:53. > :00:59.A personal hero. Yes, a personal hero of mine -
:01:00. > :01:02.the actor who played Toby Zeigler on how he made a Scottish
:01:03. > :01:04.anti-Trump hashtag go global. I think in this case,
:01:05. > :01:11.this adds a little fun to the fury. Adding fun to the fury
:01:12. > :01:14.is what satire is all about. But on this side of the pond
:01:15. > :01:17.there hasn't exactly been an oversupply of it
:01:18. > :01:19.in the past few years - even through the Indyref,
:01:20. > :01:21.the elections and the But the election of President Trump
:01:22. > :01:24.has been generating a wealth of material -
:01:25. > :01:26.clips from US comedy shows are being shared
:01:27. > :01:29.by millions all over the world, and sales of the satirical magazine
:01:30. > :01:32.Private Eye have been soaring. I caught up with its editor
:01:33. > :01:34.Ian Hislop earlier and asked why the satire business should be
:01:35. > :01:48.booming at the moment. I think we've been noticing it for
:01:49. > :01:52.the last year, the lead up to the referendum, then the referendum and
:01:53. > :02:00.the Trump presidential election. Suddenly people were A, gloomy, and
:02:01. > :02:06.wanted something to laugh at and B, they wanted information. There was
:02:07. > :02:09.so much confliction, news, spin, coming out, that they wanted
:02:10. > :02:15.something to come out with people to say this is like this. So jokes,
:02:16. > :02:21.journalism, that came our way, which was very, very good news. Ian,
:02:22. > :02:26.you've been editing Private Eye for 30-odd years, is there enough satire
:02:27. > :02:31.in the UK at the moment? I'm game for more but it comes in waves. In
:02:32. > :02:38.certain times when people are happier, it must be said, they say
:02:39. > :02:46."leave him alone" early Blair year, they were saying, "do you want the
:02:47. > :02:49.Tories back?" Leave him alone. So it is variable, the interest in satire.
:02:50. > :02:55.But I think it is obviously a good response. It is healthy.
:02:56. > :02:58.Is there a gap in the market? On television, we see programmes like
:02:59. > :03:02.Saturday Night Live doing well in the United States is there room for
:03:03. > :03:07.something new here? It is great that Saturday Night Live is doing well.
:03:08. > :03:13.It has not been for ages, this is a resurgence for it. Saturday Night
:03:14. > :03:19.Live becomes popular when people are unhappy. In settled times people
:03:20. > :03:23.said "they would say that" so again it comes when it is needed. I'm sure
:03:24. > :03:28.that there will be more on television in Britain, there will be
:03:29. > :03:33.a response. My worry is that the age of satire has come after both major
:03:34. > :03:36.decisions. It would have been nice to have been more effective earlier
:03:37. > :03:43.and may be people would have agreed with us! When it comes to President
:03:44. > :03:47.Trump, does the satire come easy? The thing with Trump, is that it is
:03:48. > :03:52.easy to see what is funny. What is harder is to find out where he is
:03:53. > :03:58.vulnerable. That is where the satire becomes effective. What does he
:03:59. > :04:04.hate? Saturday Night Live have got under his skin. He is tweeting about
:04:05. > :04:08.how it is unfunny. That is the best response for a satirist for someone
:04:09. > :04:13.to say that this is pathetic, that is when you know you have gotten
:04:14. > :04:19.through. What makes good satire? What are the key elements? Good
:04:20. > :04:23.observation, telling people essentially, something new, a
:04:24. > :04:29.different take on what they have watched, so that they go "yes,
:04:30. > :04:35.that's right. He does make it up, he doesn't listen. He twists it towards
:04:36. > :04:42.himself. He does breathtakingly say what he didn't say in the first half
:04:43. > :04:46.of the sentence" all of the observations that make it resonate.
:04:47. > :04:52.Is a situation ever too serious to satirise? Not really, no. World
:04:53. > :04:57.politics is never a complete laugh, is it? I don't any anyone doing
:04:58. > :05:03.satire in the Second World War, the First World War, the middle of the
:05:04. > :05:08.Victorian period, right back to my favourite, who was juvenile, who
:05:09. > :05:13.said "things are getting very serious, I better do satire" that
:05:14. > :05:18.was 1 AD. It is an old form of response.
:05:19. > :05:22.Do you have to be into politics to enjoy satire, or does good satire
:05:23. > :05:27.draw people into the political debate? If it is done well, it
:05:28. > :05:32.should make you engage in politics. You are thinking you don't
:05:33. > :05:38.understand it or see what is happening, good satire, this will
:05:39. > :05:43.sound Reidy but it will entertain and inform.
:05:44. > :05:45.We wanted to find out why there's so little satire here.
:05:46. > :05:51.Be warned - a now famous Scottish insult is up ahead.
:05:52. > :05:59.Hi there. I didn't see you. I'm doing real journalism, because when
:06:00. > :06:05.I am, hang on, I'm a real journalist, yes, what is what I am!
:06:06. > :06:08.People ask, where is the satire in Scotland.
:06:09. > :06:13.Why don't we have more in our country? America has it.
:06:14. > :06:19.I've been told, that to cut back on the gum chewing, I am now limbing
:06:20. > :06:27.myself to one slice a day. So I will enjoy my one and only and you can
:06:28. > :06:33.just sit and watch! Other countries have jumped on the: Scotland is the
:06:34. > :06:39.funniest nation on earth bandwagon. I ballooned Donald Trump. I rubbed
:06:40. > :06:47.it on his head, the hair stood up. It is amazing it reacts to similarly
:06:48. > :06:52.to real hair?! And this guy, Andras Schiff, a man promoted to the patron
:06:53. > :06:59.saint of Scotland as we are excited to use a word every day, to describe
:07:00. > :07:05.odows, that we use every day. I can use it all the day. Does it
:07:06. > :07:09.make me a hero? Are we two torn faced to make fun of our own
:07:10. > :07:16.politics? Don't ask me, I'm from Edinburgh! What's the biggest joke
:07:17. > :07:21.in politics? Westminster! Every bit of satire is American.
:07:22. > :07:27.What do you think of satire? Is it good? In life in general if you make
:07:28. > :07:31.her smile, it makes her day. It wasn't that fun but I haven't
:07:32. > :07:36.recorded it yet. Why is there a dirth of satire in Scotland? I think
:07:37. > :07:44.we are scared. Not here at the BBC, of course, this is the home of fair
:07:45. > :07:50.and unbiassed journalism but to say Scotland can be polarised in
:07:51. > :07:54.politics, it is not exactly a shock. Either half, I'm not singling anyone
:07:55. > :08:00.out. But remember, it is good to laugh at ourselves. Remember, it
:08:01. > :08:05.could be a lot, lot worse... Doors opening. But seriously, I do have
:08:06. > :08:11.bills to pay, so I could do with the work. If we called all just bring
:08:12. > :08:19.back Scottish satire. What else do you want me to do? A final dance?
:08:20. > :08:22.Oh, I work hard for the money! So hard for the money! Please, give me
:08:23. > :08:26.a job. We'll get back to him.
:08:27. > :08:29.And my chat with West Wing actor Richard Schiff will be a bit
:08:30. > :08:38.Do you enjoy a drink? Kenny McAskill is one with who does but believes
:08:39. > :08:45.that strong, cheap alcohol should be more expense sieve.
:08:46. > :08:47.That buying booze shot not be a normal purchase, with separate
:08:48. > :08:52.enalcohol only tills in the supermarkets. Good ideas or not?
:08:53. > :08:59.Kenny McAskill has made a film to set out his case.
:09:00. > :09:04.Many Scots like a drink. I do too. There is nothing wrong with that.
:09:05. > :09:10.But I've had issues with it, I'm ashamed to say and I'm not the only
:09:11. > :09:14.one it can come at a cost. Every year more than 1,000 Scots
:09:15. > :09:21.lose their lives through alcohol abuse.
:09:22. > :09:28.It costs ?3.6 billion in total in Scotland through its impact on the
:09:29. > :09:33.NHS and crime. That's ?900 annually for each adult.
:09:34. > :09:37.Money that ultimately has to come from taxes. It's not just
:09:38. > :09:43.statistics, there is a personal cost. A friend of mine died recently
:09:44. > :09:48.from alcohol abuse, he was two years younger than me that is why medics
:09:49. > :09:52.and campaigners are saying that action must be taken.
:09:53. > :09:56.We have about 22 lives lost a week in Scotland due to alcohol. These
:09:57. > :10:05.are lives that are lost often in what you may call in the prime of
:10:06. > :10:12.people's lives in the late 40s, 50, 60s. So it adds up to individual and
:10:13. > :10:15.family Raj Dirks but we lose a lot of working lives lost through
:10:16. > :10:23.alcohol. Ten years ago when I became the
:10:24. > :10:33.justice sec tear, the serve secretary tried to set levels on
:10:34. > :10:36.drinking. This would be Vice-President alas three-quarters
:10:37. > :10:44.of drinking is done in the home, not in the pub. It would have ended the
:10:45. > :10:48.absurdity that a bottle of cheap cider is less than a bottle of
:10:49. > :10:54.water. Years on and the minimum price is not in force as it is
:10:55. > :11:01.challenged by the Scotch Whisky Association. Yesterday studies show
:11:02. > :11:04.that lives cowl be saved. So does this show that Scotch Whisky
:11:05. > :11:12.Association is putting lives before health? It does not tally. Alcohol
:11:13. > :11:17.problems are coming from a range of different options. There is no
:11:18. > :11:22.relation between alcohol consumption and price. In Scotland a loot of
:11:23. > :11:28.what is called harmful drinkers are in a higher income bracket.
:11:29. > :11:32.The public's view on the minimum price varies? Does it matter the
:11:33. > :11:37.price? They will buy the cheaper stuff. If they put up the price,
:11:38. > :11:42.people who drink will still drink and forgo something else like food,
:11:43. > :11:47.which I don't agree with. I suppose that they must try to control it.
:11:48. > :11:51.Too much drinking but I don't drink that much anyway, so I don't have to
:11:52. > :11:56.worry. There are other things that must be
:11:57. > :12:02.done and alcohol legislation must shift to keep up with the changing
:12:03. > :12:08.drinking patterns. Surely it is time for a separate till as we do for
:12:09. > :12:13.tobacco? It should not be a normal purchase like buying a tin of beans
:12:14. > :12:16.or a loaf of bread. I spoke to the groups that represent the main
:12:17. > :12:20.supermarkets, what were their views? There are good and clear reasons for
:12:21. > :12:25.the tobacco to be dealt differently. Alcohol is different. Moderate
:12:26. > :12:31.alcohol consumption is reasonable, a glass of wine a day may not be
:12:32. > :12:37.unhealthy. We must be careful to ensure that the measures to target
:12:38. > :12:42.alcohol targets the problem users, rather than moderate shoppers. And
:12:43. > :12:47.there are the malts and the beers and the jobs and the wealth it
:12:48. > :12:51.brings to the country, alcohol is to be enjoyed but it needs to be
:12:52. > :12:55.controlled and regulate #d and regulate whered it is most likely to
:12:56. > :13:01.be bought. That was the view of Kenny McAskill.
:13:02. > :13:07.Joining us now is Pennie Taylor. Before we move on, where are we now
:13:08. > :13:13.with minimum pricing for alcohol? It was passed by the Scottish
:13:14. > :13:16.Parliament in 2012, having received widespread cross-party support and
:13:17. > :13:21.the support of the medical community, nurses, people in public
:13:22. > :13:25.health it would be welcomed by them. But it is described as ground
:13:26. > :13:28.breaking legislation, so clearly challenging for the alcohol
:13:29. > :13:32.industry. They took it to the court session in Scotland. They took it to
:13:33. > :13:36.a European Court and that's been referred now back to the Court of
:13:37. > :13:40.Session in Edinburgh for a local decision to be made it is
:13:41. > :13:45.anticipated, obviously, not to prove judge a decision but that it will
:13:46. > :13:48.finally get through. What about Kenny McAskill's suggestion of
:13:49. > :13:53.allowing alcohol to be sold at separate tills only? I think it is
:13:54. > :13:59.very different from tobacco. There is no safe level of smoking. Yet 80%
:14:00. > :14:09.of people who drink alcohol do so responsible. Is it a licensed drug?
:14:10. > :14:13.You would be running a system to address 20%, stigmatising alcohol
:14:14. > :14:20.use. Some of us like the odd glass of wine and don't overdo it, so why
:14:21. > :14:25.stigmatise and punish those? Now, 57% of alcohol is bought in
:14:26. > :14:29.supermarkets or in off-licences and you could argue that they are
:14:30. > :14:33.separate tills, they are separate shops for buying alcohol.
:14:34. > :14:39.The Scottish Government is reviewing the approach to alcohol, what can we
:14:40. > :14:44.expect? There was a refresh of the 2009 alcohol strategy due last year.
:14:45. > :14:50.It is not published. I'm told it will be this summer. I'm hoping it
:14:51. > :14:55.keeps up with the awareness of the #45r78s of overdoing booze. We saw
:14:56. > :15:01.last Christmas that drink driving levels were up again. There is a
:15:02. > :15:05.growing body of evidence to show for instance that older people, rather
:15:06. > :15:11.than young people, who you may think are at greater risk of drinking too
:15:12. > :15:17.much it is the older people living in isolation that are perhaps at
:15:18. > :15:20.more risk than anybody else. We must tackle that and creditly, there has
:15:21. > :15:25.been budget cuts in terms of treatment services. That is an issue
:15:26. > :15:33.that must be addressed and I hope that the strategy does that.
:15:34. > :15:40.What is the one thing you think we would have the biggest impact on
:15:41. > :15:46.reducing alcohol consumption? Alcohol's misuse is associated with
:15:47. > :15:50.cancer. There is issue with sponsorship of shorts by alcohol it
:15:51. > :15:50.is about not normalising heavy drinking.
:15:51. > :16:07.Pennie Taylor thank you very much. And and on and on this, using the
:16:08. > :16:09.hashtag. And minimum pricing, a range of views -- lets look at what
:16:10. > :16:42.you have been saying on this. One here from the Scottington Poat.
:16:43. > :16:48.In Sweden there is a state owned monopoly and you have to go to their
:16:49. > :16:50.stories to buy booze -- Scottington Post.
:16:51. > :16:53.Now, from your tweets to a trending hastag, Shereen.
:16:54. > :17:14.Yes, earlier we mentioned Richard Schiff who
:17:15. > :17:16.played presidential adviser Toby Ziegler in the West Wing.
:17:17. > :17:18.He's been very vocal in his anti-Trump tweets and he's
:17:19. > :17:21.made a now famous Scottish hashtag - which seems to have been
:17:22. > :17:23.originated by Edinburgh man Thomas Hind - go global.
:17:24. > :17:27.I had a chat with him before we came on air and asked him
:17:28. > :17:29.how it all started - I should warn you, you'll hear
:17:30. > :17:31.the insulting hashtag mentioned a few times!
:17:32. > :17:35.quite by accident. Somebody sent me a video of Samantha B, who has a
:17:36. > :17:37.very funny political show, a funny woman, you're in the States, showing
:17:38. > :17:41.demonstrations in Scotland and people saying the words out loud.
:17:42. > :17:44.And then I just went off on the word bawbag. I thought it was the
:17:45. > :17:47.greatest word I had ever heard. And of course know that I know what it
:17:48. > :17:54.means I clearly get the sound and with the word comes from. Someone, I
:17:55. > :18:01.am guessing from Scotland, I don't know, said, how about we start a
:18:02. > :18:11.hashtag, #PresidentBawbag? And I tweeted, let it be so. I am loving
:18:12. > :18:16.that word in an American accident -- accent. How does it feel to be an
:18:17. > :18:21.honorary Scot? I was honoured. I accept. I have been to Scotland, to
:18:22. > :18:25.Loch Lomond, and forgive me if my pronunciation is not good. To
:18:26. > :18:31.Edinburgh, and of course Saint Andrews. I went up there for the
:18:32. > :18:38.Dunhill. You are a big golfer. Would you go to a Trump course? I would
:18:39. > :18:42.not. I have also been aware of Mr Bawbag for a long time because I
:18:43. > :18:46.grew up in New York. I would dismiss him as someone I did not want in
:18:47. > :18:50.front of my face ever. He has a great golf course in New Jersey, the
:18:51. > :18:54.Trump National, and I refuse to go. There are so many good golf courses
:18:55. > :19:01.in Scotland. Why would I bother going to his? I am sure it was a
:19:02. > :19:06.great golf course once, but it has now been spoiled. Do you think this
:19:07. > :19:11.hashtag will be on his radar and you can get him to react? I don't know
:19:12. > :19:14.but I know I have not been arrested yet, and I think that is in the
:19:15. > :19:23.realm of possibility as long as he is in power. So he has not taken a
:19:24. > :19:27.personal vendetta by using the National Guard yet, but, yes, I am
:19:28. > :19:32.pretty sure it has been on his radar because he looks at everything and
:19:33. > :19:36.is aware of everything, because that is what he does. I think it is a
:19:37. > :19:41.little tough for tend to react without spreading it even more, and
:19:42. > :19:46.I think this is one he does not want to draw any further than it already
:19:47. > :19:57.has. Do you think you will keep it going? -- does not want it to grow
:19:58. > :20:05.any more. I think it had its little Twitter burst of them and, you know,
:20:06. > :20:08.I encourage people to use it. And all Scottish people on that side of
:20:09. > :20:17.the political spectrum who are not only scared but furious, enraged, by
:20:18. > :20:24.this man and his power grab, that we should use it because I think, I
:20:25. > :20:29.actually think, you know, I stayed away from insults for a long time
:20:30. > :20:34.because I don't tend to live my life insulting people, but I think in
:20:35. > :20:39.this case it adds a little bit of fun to the fury and gathers people
:20:40. > :20:46.together with some humour, and anyway we can unify worldwide to
:20:47. > :20:49.send the message to our Congress, because those are the people that
:20:50. > :20:55.will determine our future, that we are fed up and we are not going to
:20:56. > :21:03.stop, anything we can do to do that, I am happy to chip in, you know, my
:21:04. > :21:10.part, and if bawbag is the way to do it, or one way to help, then I am
:21:11. > :21:16.all in. How do you bawbag? I will probably get into trouble for this.
:21:17. > :21:18.Bawbag. I love hearing you say that. You make it sound like a beautiful
:21:19. > :21:23.word. LAUGHTER
:21:24. > :21:27.A beautiful word! How did you see it again? We are in enough trouble as
:21:28. > :21:30.it is, I think we have said it enough.
:21:31. > :21:38.One 17-year-old in Kilbarchan is a professional lego-animator,
:21:39. > :21:48.making films from lego sets he builds in his bedroom.
:21:49. > :21:51.Morgan Spence has got his exams in May, but while revising he's been
:21:52. > :21:54.working on his animations for companies like the Red Cross
:21:55. > :21:57.Let's take a look at some of his work.
:21:58. > :22:02.How did you start animating in Lego? I had to do a report on World War II
:22:03. > :22:05.at school and my class had to write an essay and I decided to do
:22:06. > :22:09.something different, a short film, using a technique called stop motion
:22:10. > :22:12.animation. A technique of taking hundreds of pictures and playing
:22:13. > :22:17.them together at high speed, so I spent two weeks at home and got my
:22:18. > :22:26.model planes into a Battle of Britain fate. Commissions for the
:22:27. > :22:37.BBC and the Red Cross -- Battle of Britain fights. Jimmy
:22:38. > :22:44.you can imagine for a 13-year-old boy who just started high school it
:22:45. > :22:47.was a bit of a shock. Suddenly I was doing with professionals and working
:22:48. > :22:54.through storyboards and script and then bringing to life what this P J
:22:55. > :22:57.Dobbs in Lego. Do you work? I do my animation is right here in my
:22:58. > :23:01.bedroom studio, bring them to life in the small studio tent behind me.
:23:02. > :23:08.It is quite a small working environment, so I think it is quite
:23:09. > :23:13.magical. That it is all coming from a tiny bedroom studio. What is
:23:14. > :23:20.involved? It is a very manual process. For every one second of
:23:21. > :23:25.film there are 15 pictures. A person, for example. I take my first
:23:26. > :23:28.picture of them, move them a fractional amount, then another
:23:29. > :23:34.picture and I repeat that process hundreds of times. What is next?
:23:35. > :23:38.University applications, exams in May, so I will be focusing on that
:23:39. > :23:42.in the meantime but I certainly hoping to pick up a few more
:23:43. > :23:46.projects when I have the time. What a talent!
:23:47. > :23:51.And tomorrow, singer-songwriter Amy Macdonald's fourth album -
:23:52. > :24:03.With her guitarist Sam, and you have busy time, just back from Germany.
:24:04. > :24:08.But what were you doing deep-fried Mars bar on German television? It
:24:09. > :24:11.was really sweet. It comes from such a nice place, they are all such
:24:12. > :24:16.lovely people, and they thought it would make me feel at home, having
:24:17. > :24:22.obviously done an Internet search and thought that was something we
:24:23. > :24:26.did regularly. And on Valentine's Day! Yes, so romantic. Little
:24:27. > :24:29.cocktail umbrellas in the deep-fried Mars bars. Your back and will be
:24:30. > :24:34.performing at the store tomorrow and the release of the new album. Was it
:24:35. > :24:38.important to you to be here to do that? It is the first time actually
:24:39. > :24:42.I have been at home the day my album comes out. With all of my previous
:24:43. > :24:45.ones I was always somewhere else. The last one, I remember, I was in
:24:46. > :24:52.Stockholm the day the album came out, so it is nice to be here and I
:24:53. > :24:56.will be doing a show on Argyle Street at six o'clock tomorrow. And
:24:57. > :24:59.you have a European tour lined up, travelling across the continent just
:25:00. > :25:02.at the point where the UK is negotiating its way out of the
:25:03. > :25:06.European Union. Does that matter to you? It is actually a question I
:25:07. > :25:09.have been asking more than anything else travelling around Germany and
:25:10. > :25:13.France and all the other countries I have been to. And it is really
:25:14. > :25:17.interesting, being able to see both sides, because the way the media
:25:18. > :25:23.tends to reported in Britain is that Angela Merkel and everyone and the
:25:24. > :25:30.rest of Europe is sitting saying, we don't care, get them out, whatever.
:25:31. > :25:33.But over there the people I actually speak to are really confused and
:25:34. > :25:36.they say it is truly bizarre for them and they actually feel a bit
:25:37. > :25:43.heart and they think, why does Britain hate us so much? -- they
:25:44. > :25:49.feel a bit hurt. The way it is reported in Britain and the UK is
:25:50. > :25:52.completely off the reality. You're a supporter of independence a couple
:25:53. > :25:56.of years ago. How do you feel about it now? The main reason I supported
:25:57. > :25:59.independence is because I wanted to have a vote that mattered. Ever
:26:00. > :26:04.since I have been able to vote my vote has not made one difference in
:26:05. > :26:08.the UK election. Would you like to do it again or not? I think the
:26:09. > :26:13.circumstances have changed massively, yes. Thank you for coming
:26:14. > :26:14.in. I know you will play us out so I will let you get organised for that.
:26:15. > :26:17.Thank you very much. Stay in touch with us and let
:26:18. > :26:21.us know what you think we should be talking about -
:26:22. > :26:24.we're on social media. And you can find us online,
:26:25. > :26:26.or you can email us. Shereen and I will be back next week
:26:27. > :26:30.- same time, same place. In the meantime, here's
:26:31. > :26:35.Amy Macdonald with Dream On. # Never gonna cast my anchor out
:26:36. > :26:56.I'm a free spirit, torn in a way # I can't stay here for too long
:26:57. > :27:00.I got to keep on moving on # Nothing fades as nothing changes
:27:01. > :27:03.This old place is driving me crazy # I'm on top of the world
:27:04. > :27:10.and I'm on the right track # I'm on top of the world
:27:11. > :27:12.and I won't look back # I'm on top of the world
:27:13. > :27:22.and I'm on the right track # I'm on top of the world
:27:23. > :27:26.and I won't look back # I was living for the weekend
:27:27. > :27:30.And the drinks are on me # Skipping school and cutting out
:27:31. > :27:35.I wish this world would let me be # Trying to catch a feeling
:27:36. > :27:40.Trying to find myself # Cause this old place
:27:41. > :27:47.is driving me crazy # I'm on top of the world
:27:48. > :27:56.and I'm on the right track # I'm on top of the world
:27:57. > :27:59.and I won't look back # I'm on top of the world
:28:00. > :28:08.and I'm on the right track # I'm on top of the world
:28:09. > :28:18.and I won't look back # The time to listen now
:28:19. > :28:21.I cast my anchor down Every woman will go through it,
:28:22. > :28:36.so why don't we talk about it more? His words were,
:28:37. > :28:37."You're far too young." Kirsty Wark finds out
:28:38. > :28:42.the reality for some women... ..and looks at ways
:28:43. > :28:51.we can help ourselves. I noticed a difference
:28:52. > :28:53.almost within a week. The Insiders' Guide
:28:54. > :28:55.to the Menopause. We really need to talk
:28:56. > :29:02.about it more. (Whatever happens,
:29:03. > :29:04.stay close to me.) MUSIC: Perfect
:29:05. > :29:06.by Mason vs Princess Superstar # Four, three, two, one
:29:07. > :29:10.One, two, three, whoo! # Let me hear you scream
:29:11. > :29:13.if you want some more... # # Watch me work it
:29:14. > :29:32.I'm perfect... # # I knew you were trouble
:29:33. > :29:37.when you walked in