0:00:02 > 0:00:04Tonight:
0:00:04 > 0:00:07How traditional Scots lingo could mean we're better
0:00:07 > 0:00:10at languages than we thought.
0:00:10 > 0:00:12Plus, we speak to Ross Kemp about going
0:00:12 > 0:00:14behind bars at Barlinnie.
0:00:38 > 0:00:42Welcome to Timeline, where we'll bring you the story
0:00:42 > 0:00:44of Scottish cycling legend Robert Millar, who's speaking
0:00:44 > 0:00:47on TV for the first time about transitioning, and is now
0:00:47 > 0:00:52living as Philippa York.
0:00:52 > 0:00:56She has caught up with a giant who she helped to inspire.Hello, nice
0:00:56 > 0:00:58to meet you.
0:00:58 > 0:01:01We'll bring you that meeting between Phillipa and Sir Chris Hoy.
0:01:01 > 0:01:02Also,
0:01:02 > 0:01:04100 years since the Russian revolution shook the world -
0:01:04 > 0:01:09we look at its impact on Scotland.
0:01:09 > 0:01:15I am Ross Kemp, I'll be talking to Glenn on Timeline about my time in
0:01:15 > 0:01:22Barlinnie.That is for a TV show that we'll have more on later.
0:01:22 > 0:01:25How many languages can you speak?
0:01:25 > 0:01:30One, I'm ashamed to say.The same for me.
0:01:30 > 0:01:33Research at Abertay University in Dundee has found that our brains
0:01:33 > 0:01:36handle our local dialect and English in the same way as if we speak two
0:01:36 > 0:01:38different languages.
0:01:38 > 0:01:42That means all of us could be more linguistically
0:01:42 > 0:01:44skilled than we realised, as Kenneth Macdonald has been
0:01:44 > 0:01:48finding out for us.
0:01:48 > 0:01:5811th.Could you please repeat that? 11.Our Scottish accents have always
0:01:58 > 0:02:04tended to cause a bit of bother. Good you please repeat that?
0:02:08 > 0:02:23Here in Dundee, people speak with more than accent.Hiya.
0:02:23 > 0:02:24more than accent.Hiya.I'll say SPEAKS IN THICK DIALECT.Thanks
0:02:24 > 0:02:31romance, buyer.This isn't a roundabout, it's a circle -- thanks
0:02:31 > 0:02:40very much, the buyer. It isn't the Telegraph, it is the "Tele". Dundee
0:02:40 > 0:02:47Scots even influence other cultures and some say that Dundonian is more
0:02:47 > 0:02:51than a dialect.It is a language all of its own, every Dundonian speaks
0:02:51 > 0:02:58it. Every Dundonian is bilingual, they can slip between standard
0:02:58 > 0:03:03received pronunciation in English into Dundonian very quickly.
0:03:06 > 0:03:10Let me get back to you on what that means? At Abertay University they
0:03:10 > 0:03:14have found that Dundonian may not be a separate language but the brain
0:03:14 > 0:03:19handles it like one. Our test subjects, Ollie, is not a native
0:03:19 > 0:03:27Dundonian speaker so first he must learn some.Moose, tatty.He does
0:03:27 > 0:03:30well on the Dundonian words but hesitates when he switches back to
0:03:30 > 0:03:34English.The representation of Dundonian in his mind is weaker than
0:03:34 > 0:03:42for his English. How that manifests in the task is that when we ask him
0:03:42 > 0:03:46to switch into a Dundonian word, he has to do suppress his dominant
0:03:46 > 0:03:51English from intruding. That takes them longer to overcome so when he
0:03:51 > 0:03:56switches back to English, it takes longer.Some psychologists think
0:03:56 > 0:03:59that being bilingual actually improves your cognitive powers but
0:03:59 > 0:04:08at Abertay, they don't say it will make you brainier. The findings may
0:04:08 > 0:04:12have indications for psychology itself.We aren't capturing the full
0:04:12 > 0:04:16story, a lot of people will report that they speak a bit of French or
0:04:16 > 0:04:20are fluent in German but won't consider whether their knowledge and
0:04:20 > 0:04:27use of Scots is worth mentioning on a question like that. In terms of
0:04:27 > 0:04:31implications for research, they are quite cute.Meanwhile, Dundonian
0:04:31 > 0:04:39Scots remains in done both -- in robust health.
0:04:42 > 0:04:46It is said that mill workers developed it to make themselves
0:04:46 > 0:04:58heard over the noise of the machinery.Three, four, five, six,
0:04:58 > 0:05:02seven, eight, nine, ten.When you are growing up, were you aware that
0:05:02 > 0:05:06you were speaking something different from what was spoken in
0:05:06 > 0:05:15other parts of Scotland?Not until many years later. You say DUNDONIAN
0:05:15 > 0:05:22ACCENT: seven.My mother felt she didn't want me talking Dundee so she
0:05:22 > 0:05:26sent me to Eric Kush and lessons when I was tired. I don't know if
0:05:26 > 0:05:30that was a good thing -- electrician dilly
0:05:33 > 0:05:41sent me to elocution lessons.One last thing, the answer to the
0:05:41 > 0:05:49expression, there are two items here, there is a plain one and one
0:05:49 > 0:05:56from Dundee. Getting the hang of this!
0:05:56 > 0:05:57Let's get another couple of phrases -
0:05:57 > 0:05:59this is one used in Shetland.
0:06:07 > 0:06:10No idea.
0:06:13 > 0:06:18It means mocking a person in good fun.
0:06:18 > 0:06:24And here's one from Dumfries.
0:06:24 > 0:06:31She said don't do something just yet?That's all I got.Don't speak
0:06:31 > 0:06:38so confidently and cheerfully about it just yet.What kind of sayings do
0:06:38 > 0:06:43you have?I don't know about local dialect but quite a lot of words in
0:06:43 > 0:06:49the Gaelic language were used and my favourite would be one that my mum
0:06:49 > 0:06:57used, she would say, what they...", meaning what they mess. -- what a
0:06:57 > 0:06:59mess.
0:06:59 > 0:07:01Robert Millar is considered Scotland's greatest-ever road
0:07:01 > 0:07:04cyclist, winning the King of the Mountains prize
0:07:04 > 0:07:07in the Tour de France in 1984, making him a hero to many,
0:07:07 > 0:07:12including Sir Chris Hoy.
0:07:12 > 0:07:14But after gender transition she recently announced she's
0:07:14 > 0:07:16living as Philippa York, and has started working
0:07:16 > 0:07:18as a cycling commentator.
0:07:18 > 0:07:20We brought Phillippa and Sir Chris together for this
0:07:20 > 0:07:25film, by Rhona McLeod.
0:07:25 > 0:07:29Now let's turn to a sport which, but for one man would in all possibility
0:07:29 > 0:07:34would have never featured in this review of 1984. The sport is cycling
0:07:34 > 0:07:42and the man is Robert Mueller from Glasgow. -- Robert Millar.There are
0:07:42 > 0:07:51so many facets to transitioning, so many decisions to make.Was it an
0:07:51 > 0:07:56additional pressure, the fact that you were one of the world's top
0:07:56 > 0:08:05sports people?I was very aware that it could turn into a media circus,
0:08:05 > 0:08:09the fact that I was transitioning and a couple of years afterwards
0:08:09 > 0:08:13which is one reason I removed myself from the public eye, I basically
0:08:13 > 0:08:20disappeared.You had a couple of brushes with the tabloid press.I
0:08:20 > 0:08:26did, a couple of intrusions into my transition at the start. And at the
0:08:26 > 0:08:32end, they were quite damaging. Hello, the leather.What a hero you
0:08:32 > 0:08:44are -- hello, Phillipa.Every time I see my name on back straight there.
0:08:44 > 0:08:48Walking down to the panel, the Manchester velodrome, I think you
0:08:48 > 0:08:52were the National Road coach at the time and it was the national
0:08:52 > 0:08:59championships and you walked past and you said, well done, champ. 5-1
0:08:59 > 0:09:04my first national title.I was nice to you. -- I had just won my first
0:09:04 > 0:09:12national title. Now I'm thinking, I meeting you, Chris Hoy! Making me
0:09:12 > 0:09:19cry again.I do that when I'm getting medals, I blame it on the
0:09:19 > 0:09:24flowers, allergies! I think she has no idea how many people she has
0:09:24 > 0:09:33inspired. You can see in the track centre, people shaking her hand,
0:09:33 > 0:09:38saying they had seen her on telly and she was getting emotional. I was
0:09:38 > 0:09:47surprised that she was emotional about people being nice to her. It
0:09:47 > 0:09:55was the courage and gutsy Ness and determination on the mountain stages
0:09:55 > 0:10:01that made you work hard on your bike. Having a practice session, you
0:10:01 > 0:10:05would try and emulated Robert Millar. Countless athletes and
0:10:05 > 0:10:12cyclists have been inspired by her performances, 30 years ago.The BBC
0:10:12 > 0:10:16Sport 's personality of 1984, the king of the Mounties, stage win of
0:10:16 > 0:10:23the Tour de France, another flying Scot, from Glasgow, Robert Millar.
0:10:23 > 0:10:28If you had to make the choice again, if you could make the choice, would
0:10:28 > 0:10:34you have transitioned before?Yes, I would have transitioned in my
0:10:34 > 0:10:38teenage years. And I wouldn't have been a cyclist.You wouldn't have
0:10:38 > 0:10:44had the fame?I wouldn't have been famous, information, whatever I'm
0:10:44 > 0:10:51known for.Is that because you were very happy?Yes. -- infamy. The
0:10:51 > 0:11:01thing that counts is and how famous or not famous you are going to be.
0:11:01 > 0:11:04Basically, are you happy? That counts more for me now than any kind
0:11:04 > 0:11:13of success.Happy with?Happy with where I am, yes. Not perfectly happy
0:11:13 > 0:11:17because I don't think perfection exists but yeah, I'm fairly stable
0:11:17 > 0:11:20where I am and happy, yeah.
0:11:20 > 0:11:23Tom Bishop is a director of Scottish cycling,
0:11:23 > 0:11:33and their Equality Champion.
0:11:34 > 0:11:38What kind of support is there in cycling for somebody who makes that
0:11:38 > 0:11:44transition?We are a very inclusive and open sport. We are multifaceted,
0:11:44 > 0:11:52a lot of different angles. We are lucky with cycling that it is
0:11:52 > 0:11:58different to the other sports where for example you can't dribble a ball
0:11:58 > 0:12:03to work but you can cycle to work so it is a transport means and it is a
0:12:03 > 0:12:12basic lifestyle skill. Within Scottish cycling, we are there to
0:12:12 > 0:12:19receive everybody with open arms and to welcome them in. People who are
0:12:19 > 0:12:25transgender, who have specific sensitivities, that we would be
0:12:25 > 0:12:32there to receive, and quite frankly, we are all learning about this in
0:12:32 > 0:12:37society in general.When it comes to a sport, can a man transitioning as
0:12:37 > 0:12:44a woman compete on the women's team? When the transition is complete,
0:12:44 > 0:12:50that is the case. Obviously there are the questions people might have
0:12:50 > 0:12:55about that. To my knowledge there is no evidence to suggest that there is
0:12:55 > 0:13:01a difficulty with that, when the transition is complete.It might
0:13:01 > 0:13:05potentially be an advantage?It might be but at the moment I don't
0:13:05 > 0:13:09believe there is any evidence of that but of course, the question is
0:13:09 > 0:13:16there. We have to be prepared for that. It is something that the
0:13:16 > 0:13:19sports governing bodies have to be mindful of going forward, as a
0:13:19 > 0:13:23society does, we have to make adjustments and have to be
0:13:23 > 0:13:30reasonable adjustments. At the same time, we need to engage with the
0:13:30 > 0:13:37LGBT community. I'm delighted to say that today, sport Scotland and a
0:13:37 > 0:13:42number of government bodies and sports associations have signed up
0:13:42 > 0:13:49to the Scottish LGBT charter, through the quality network.
0:13:49 > 0:13:57Yesterday it literally happened. I'm the ambassador for equalities in
0:13:57 > 0:14:00Scottish cycling. We are going to be brace it and learn about it.Thank
0:14:00 > 0:14:03you for joining us.
0:14:03 > 0:14:06Still to come on Timeline: My encounter with TV hardman Ross Kemp,
0:14:06 > 0:14:12about his latest assignment behind bars at a Scottish jail.
0:14:12 > 0:14:16And the balance of power between prisoners and guards.If you fall
0:14:16 > 0:14:19out with the present staff, you can have your canteen taken away from
0:14:19 > 0:14:24you. You can fall out with the inmates and your life could become a
0:14:24 > 0:14:26living hell.
0:14:26 > 0:14:28With credits including Blue Planet and Planet Earth,
0:14:28 > 0:14:30Doug Allan is regarded as one of the best wildlife
0:14:30 > 0:14:31cameramen around.
0:14:31 > 0:14:33Don't just take our word for it.
0:14:33 > 0:14:40Here's Sir David Attenborough.
0:14:40 > 0:14:44Captured in animal behaviour in this extreme and sometimes hostile place
0:14:44 > 0:14:49takes a very special kind of wildlife cameraman. And for me, they
0:14:49 > 0:15:01do not come much more special than Doug Allen.I must be mad!High
0:15:01 > 0:15:03praise from Sir David Attenborough.
0:15:03 > 0:15:04Well, if that praise wasn't enough, Doug,
0:15:04 > 0:15:07who's originally from Dunfermline, is to be given an award
0:15:07 > 0:15:09for Outstanding Contribution at the Scottish Baftas this weekend.
0:15:09 > 0:15:14Doug is in our Bristol studio.
0:15:14 > 0:15:20Congratulations.Thank you.How do you go from Dunfermline to diving
0:15:20 > 0:15:24under the ice sheets in the Antarctic?You actually go through
0:15:24 > 0:15:30the red Sea, would you believe? I got into diving at school, and then
0:15:30 > 0:15:34that took me to university at Stirling, and then various
0:15:34 > 0:15:38expeditions and one expedition was to the Antarctic. I was diving as a
0:15:38 > 0:15:43scientist and diver in the Antarctic when the great Sir David and a film
0:15:43 > 0:15:47crew turned up back in 1981. I helped them for a couple of days and
0:15:47 > 0:15:53decided that it was something that I wanted to get into. And the rest is
0:15:53 > 0:15:58history.It is indeed. 30 years of history and you have filmed a lot of
0:15:58 > 0:16:02wildlife in that time. What are the moment and animals that stand out
0:16:02 > 0:16:07for you?I have done a lot of stuff in the polls, so I guess encounters
0:16:07 > 0:16:12with polar bears and big mammals underwater. Those are really
0:16:12 > 0:16:18exciting because they sure that every single mammal is an individual
0:16:18 > 0:16:22just like you or I, so getting the chance to know these animals as
0:16:22 > 0:16:27individual characters, that is really exciting because you need to
0:16:27 > 0:16:32get to know them if you're going to get the best out of them on a film,
0:16:32 > 0:16:36particularly underwater. You can't hide from while if you want to film
0:16:36 > 0:16:41it, so the only way is to get in the water with it, have it except you as
0:16:41 > 0:16:45another interesting thing in its environment and then it's just get
0:16:45 > 0:16:50on with his natural behaviour. I think the close proximity I have had
0:16:50 > 0:16:53with Wales underwater and the sheer excitement of working with polar
0:16:53 > 0:16:59bears in the Antarctic, that is a hard one to beat because polar bears
0:16:59 > 0:17:02are a big, sexy, charismatic and they will eat you, what more can you
0:17:02 > 0:17:08want?Do you have a get into dangerous situations?I prefer to
0:17:08 > 0:17:12describe them as exciting situations, put it that way. You
0:17:12 > 0:17:15need to do. There are times when I have been close enough to a polar
0:17:15 > 0:17:19bear and the polar bear has gotten a little bit too interested in me, I
0:17:19 > 0:17:23have had to get out my birthday which is kind of like a hairspray,
0:17:23 > 0:17:26and give it a squirt in its direction and when that pepper spray
0:17:26 > 0:17:31heads the beer's knows he is off like a shot, so that was exciting
0:17:31 > 0:17:36and then there was the classic Wall is that grabbed me underwater, I was
0:17:36 > 0:17:40sparkling, no idea and out of the depths as walrus grabbed me around
0:17:40 > 0:17:45the legs and luckily I was able to hit it on its head with the camera
0:17:45 > 0:17:48and it was probably pretty surprised because that is not the sort of
0:17:48 > 0:17:52thing that seals do, because basically the Wallace have confused
0:17:52 > 0:17:58me with a seal. I hated on the head and let me go and I lived to tell
0:17:58 > 0:18:03the tale.We are glad! How do you feel that getting the BAFTA?That is
0:18:03 > 0:18:06magic, and is always something special when it comes from your
0:18:06 > 0:18:09peers are so to speak and the fact that it comes from my Scottish peers
0:18:09 > 0:18:14makes it all the more than an hour. I am really looking forward to
0:18:14 > 0:18:18Sunday.Enjoy it! Thank you very much for joining us tonight.
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0:18:34 > 0:18:37It was one of the defining moments of the 20th century -
0:18:37 > 0:18:39seeing a bloody end to the Russian royal family,
0:18:39 > 0:18:41and the start shortly afterwards of the Soviet Union.
0:18:41 > 0:18:44The impact of the Russian revolution was felt all around the world.
0:18:44 > 0:18:4770,000 Scots took to the streets in support of the revolutionaries.
0:18:47 > 0:18:49We asked historian, Brendan McGeever, to make this film
0:18:49 > 0:18:52about how what happened there, affected events here.
0:18:58 > 0:19:00The Russian Revolution, one of the defining moments of the 20th
0:19:00 > 0:19:02century.
0:19:02 > 0:19:06The collapse of an empire, the overthrow of the czarist regime
0:19:06 > 0:19:08and one of the most extraordinary demonstrations of people power and
0:19:08 > 0:19:14democracy.
0:19:14 > 0:19:16The revolution's reverberations spread far beyond
0:19:16 > 0:19:21Russia, and they could be felt here on the streets of Scotland.
0:19:21 > 0:19:23What do you know about the links between
0:19:23 > 0:19:25Scotland and the Russian Revolution?
0:19:25 > 0:19:28I know a lot about the Russian Revolution but I never knew we had
0:19:28 > 0:19:29any influence.
0:19:29 > 0:19:32I don't know anything about that.
0:19:32 > 0:19:35I saw a thing on the TV about Brian Cox and talking
0:19:35 > 0:19:38about the support that the West Coast of Scotland gave to the
0:19:38 > 0:19:42workers in the Russian Revolution.
0:19:42 > 0:19:44In early May 1917, just as revolution is escalating, around
0:19:44 > 0:19:4780,000 workers come out on the streets of Glasgow for mayday.
0:19:47 > 0:19:51There are red flags and American support
0:19:51 > 0:19:56of the Russian Revolution.
0:19:56 > 0:19:58As the Labour Party use people at the time,
0:19:58 > 0:20:02Glasgow is the British Petrograd.
0:20:02 > 0:20:05The Clyde and the River Neva
0:20:05 > 0:20:07linked together by the bonds of brotherhood.
0:20:07 > 0:20:09Doctor Terry Brotherstone is an expert on the
0:20:09 > 0:20:11history of the socialism movement in Scotland.
0:20:11 > 0:20:13To what extent can we say that the Russian Revolution was felt
0:20:13 > 0:20:18on the streets of Scotland?
0:20:18 > 0:20:19In Glasgow there where rent strikes against
0:20:19 > 0:20:21profiteering in the war, in
0:20:21 > 0:20:231915 you saw the shop stewards movement developed in the
0:20:23 > 0:20:25engineering factories, determined that workers conditions
0:20:25 > 0:20:30would not be worsened because of the requirements
0:20:30 > 0:20:37of the war economy, and then in 1970 onwards
0:20:37 > 0:20:39across the country there was
0:20:39 > 0:20:41increasing weariness and quite a lot of unrest in engineering factories,
0:20:41 > 0:20:47and it was into that that the whole Russian Revolution came.
0:20:47 > 0:20:50John Maclean said the Russians, a Russian
0:20:50 > 0:20:53comrades have begun it, we are part of it, you have got
0:20:53 > 0:20:54to be supporting them.
0:20:54 > 0:20:58John McLean was born in Pollokshaws in 1879, a
0:20:58 > 0:21:03schoolteacher, he also let because of socialism in Scotland.
0:21:03 > 0:21:06He was imprisoned for his political beliefs.
0:21:06 > 0:21:08John Maclean made enemies in government but he made friends
0:21:08 > 0:21:13among the working classes, and in revolutionary Russia as well.
0:21:13 > 0:21:15The socialist movement in Scotland took
0:21:15 > 0:21:19great interest in events in Russia, and the feeling was mutual.
0:21:19 > 0:21:21Scotland cut the imagination of the Russian
0:21:21 > 0:21:22revolutionaries, and articles about Scotland
0:21:22 > 0:21:23would regularly feature in
0:21:23 > 0:21:26the Bolshevik press.
0:21:26 > 0:21:30In December 1918 the Bolshevik newspaper Pravda
0:21:30 > 0:21:33wrote, Russian workers enthusiastically hope that John
0:21:33 > 0:21:36Maclean and his friends come to power.
0:21:36 > 0:21:39Vladimir Lenin, Leon Trotsky and other Bolshevik leaders held
0:21:39 > 0:21:42John Maclean in the highest regard, so much so that shortly after the
0:21:42 > 0:21:45October Revolution of 1917 the named John Maclean Bolshevik consul for
0:21:45 > 0:21:51Scotland.
0:21:51 > 0:21:53In February 1918, John Maclean took up office on 12 S.
0:21:53 > 0:21:56Portland St in Glasgow, the first Soviet consulate in Britain had now
0:21:56 > 0:22:01been established.
0:22:01 > 0:22:03John Maclean was celebrated across revolutionary
0:22:03 > 0:22:06Russia, his name was read aloud in Bolshevik
0:22:06 > 0:22:07gatherings all over the
0:22:07 > 0:22:12Soviet Republic.
0:22:12 > 0:22:15Streets were named after him, in fact, to the state,
0:22:15 > 0:22:17there is still a Maclean Avenue in Midwest Russia.
0:22:17 > 0:22:19A Soviet postage stamp was even issued to commemorate
0:22:19 > 0:22:22him.
0:22:22 > 0:22:24After the Bolsheviks came to power, John Maclean wrote, Marxism
0:22:24 > 0:22:27is growing rapidly in Scotland, nothing can hold back.
0:22:27 > 0:22:28I favour a Scottish Communist Republic with
0:22:28 > 0:22:36Glasgow as its head and centre.
0:22:38 > 0:22:40War, inequality and poverty were central
0:22:40 > 0:22:42to the events of 1917, and they remain crucial
0:22:42 > 0:22:44issues in the world today.
0:22:44 > 0:22:45As the Russian Revolution reaches its centenary, society
0:22:45 > 0:22:52remains as undivided as ever.
0:22:55 > 0:22:56Brendan McGeever there on the 100th anniversary
0:22:56 > 0:22:58of the Russian revolution.
0:22:58 > 0:23:00He's the TV hardman who's travelled to some of the most
0:23:00 > 0:23:03dangerous parts of the world, from Afghanistan, to searching for
0:23:03 > 0:23:07pirates off the coast of Somalia.
0:23:07 > 0:23:10Now Ross Kemp, who became famous as Grant Mitchell in Eastenders,
0:23:10 > 0:23:13has taken on one of Scotland's toughest prisons for his latest
0:23:13 > 0:23:14programme, in Barlinnie.
0:23:14 > 0:23:15So how did this assignment compare?
0:23:15 > 0:23:22I've been chatting to him to find out.
0:23:28 > 0:23:34I'm Ross Kemp, and I'm going to prison.We have just under 100,000
0:23:34 > 0:23:38people in prison right now, not the highest it's been but very close to
0:23:38 > 0:23:42it.We have sent a lot of people to prison for short sentences and for
0:23:42 > 0:23:47instance in Scotland I think it is something like 60% of people who
0:23:47 > 0:23:51serve three-month prison sentences will be back in prison within six
0:23:51 > 0:23:55months.Having been inside a prison like that, a big prison, what are
0:23:55 > 0:24:01the conditions like?Convert to El Salvador, compared to the Congo, a
0:24:01 > 0:24:07lot better. But prisons are still present. People who say they have it
0:24:07 > 0:24:12easy because they have a TV, TV is a very important thing in prison in
0:24:12 > 0:24:16the United Kingdom because it can be used as a stick, basically, if you
0:24:16 > 0:24:20abuse a prison that back the prison rules it will be taken away from
0:24:20 > 0:24:25you. If you spend a lot of time locked up in your cell, maybe 23 or
0:24:25 > 0:24:2922 hours, that becomes very important to you. And yes, three
0:24:29 > 0:24:33meals a day, sometimes the choice of the courses, and I have the prison
0:24:33 > 0:24:39food and help make it with the aid of a canoe paddle, and the food I
0:24:39 > 0:24:43have to say in Barlinnie was a lot better than some of the food I have
0:24:43 > 0:24:49had in national health specials. But prison is still prison and there is
0:24:49 > 0:24:53also, if you fall out with the prison staff, you can have your
0:24:53 > 0:24:58canteen taken away from you. You can have your recreation taken away from
0:24:58 > 0:25:02you. You can be fined financially and you can't phone your family. You
0:25:02 > 0:25:06could fall out with an inmate and your life could become a living
0:25:06 > 0:25:12hell. So there are sort of like two laws, to rules within every prison,
0:25:12 > 0:25:17virtually I have been to. Ross James Kent.What is your date
0:25:17 > 0:25:25of birth?21st of the seven.How tough are they on drugs inside?If
0:25:25 > 0:25:30you're found with drugs it depends, it is the amount of drugs that you
0:25:30 > 0:25:37have on you. It can be just as I say a fine, removal of things that give
0:25:37 > 0:25:43you pleasure like the television or access to the canteen suites,
0:25:43 > 0:25:47scripts etc, it is just the way that drugs are sent in. Even to
0:25:47 > 0:25:53Barlinnie, a lot of them are thrown in using one of those dog slippers,
0:25:53 > 0:25:59inside the tennis ball. You can get 500 or 700 small street Valium pills
0:25:59 > 0:26:05in there and you have to bear in mind that drugs inside a prison cell
0:26:05 > 0:26:10for five times what they are worse on the street. To the point that it
0:26:10 > 0:26:13is worth some inmates going to prison on purpose in order to sell
0:26:13 > 0:26:20drugs.Was there anyone you met in there who you thought did not
0:26:20 > 0:26:26deserve to be inside?To be honest, no, and a lot of the repeat
0:26:26 > 0:26:29offenders were very open about the cycle that they are trapped in. If
0:26:29 > 0:26:33you are not changing the causes and reasons for their being in prison in
0:26:33 > 0:26:38the first place they are not going to stop going to prison. Without
0:26:38 > 0:26:42being too big about it, I think maybe we have to look at the way
0:26:42 > 0:26:46that we sentence people, and also our approach to people when we meet
0:26:46 > 0:26:51them and find out they have been in prison. And how much of a chance we
0:26:51 > 0:26:56get them. I am not asking people to give chances to multiple marketers
0:26:56 > 0:27:00here, but people who, there are some people who rely on Barlinnie, as
0:27:00 > 0:27:03soon as they get released they walked down the road, people into
0:27:03 > 0:27:09the shop, the bias much beer as they can with their £73 they get given,
0:27:09 > 0:27:12and the next day they commit an offence they can go back because
0:27:12 > 0:27:15they have nowhere else to go because they have become so
0:27:15 > 0:27:19institutionalised, and we have to look at is prison the best place for
0:27:19 > 0:27:23them? There are definitely people I met there who I felt should be there
0:27:23 > 0:27:30and should remain there because of the threat they pose.Let me ask you
0:27:30 > 0:27:32about your investigative or more generally because you do seem to go
0:27:32 > 0:27:37to some of the most dangerous places in the world, why's that? Why are
0:27:37 > 0:27:44you attracted to those a pure fluke, I was on an actress contract to ITV
0:27:44 > 0:27:48and was asked to stand and present, I was fifth choice, I know that
0:27:48 > 0:27:52because someone had already been asked of us sitting next to me in
0:27:52 > 0:27:54two days later a bang up and said you're the first person we thought
0:27:54 > 0:27:59of.So that is how it happened. It moved from there to being about
0:27:59 > 0:28:04Afghanistan and being about bigger issues, mass migration, human
0:28:04 > 0:28:11slavery, drugs, big issues that have an impact on everyone, really.
0:28:11 > 0:28:15Eventually they all have an impact on everyone no matter how much you
0:28:15 > 0:28:18think you are removed from whatever is happening around the world. It
0:28:18 > 0:28:23generally comes back at some point and lands on your plate.And Grant
0:28:23 > 0:28:27Mitchell your character in Eastenders keeps coming back.He has
0:28:27 > 0:28:33been back twice.Again?Never say never.Thank you.
0:28:33 > 0:28:35That programme is called Ross Kemp Behind Bars -
0:28:35 > 0:28:42Inside Barlinnie, and it's on STV at nine o'clock tonight.
0:28:42 > 0:28:45And that is your timeline for this week.
0:28:45 > 0:28:49Thank you for watching. That went fast! We will be back next Thursday
0:28:49 > 0:28:58at 7:30pm and we hope to see you there. Goodbye for now.