:00:17. > :00:17.Hello and Welcome to Tuesday In Parliament,
:00:18. > :00:21.our look at the best of the day in the Commons and the Lords.
:00:22. > :00:26.As MPs react once again to the terror attacks in Paris, David
:00:27. > :00:28.Cameron promises a "comprehdnsive strategy" to win parliament`ry
:00:29. > :00:35.backing for military action again ISIS terrorists in Syria.
:00:36. > :00:42.We do not protect the British people by sitting back, wishing thhngs were
:00:43. > :00:44.different. We have to act to keep our people safe, and that is what
:00:45. > :00:47.this government will always do. There's defiance within Labour's
:00:48. > :00:58.ranks about the position taken Police need full and necess`ry
:00:59. > :01:00.powers, including proportionate use of lethal force if need be, to keep
:01:01. > :01:03.communities safe. What will happen if the doctors go
:01:04. > :01:05.on strike? A stark warning from the
:01:06. > :01:13.Health Secretary. Delaying a cancer clinic, mdaning
:01:14. > :01:18.summary might get a later rhght noses than they should, del`ying a
:01:19. > :01:20.hip operation, so that people are in pain, these things will be very hard
:01:21. > :01:22.to avoid. But first, 24 hours after the Home
:01:23. > :01:25.Secretary spoke solemnly in the Commons about the weekend atrocities
:01:26. > :01:28.in France, the Prime Ministdr talked about some of the political
:01:29. > :01:31.implications of the events hn Paris Since the mass killings on Friday
:01:32. > :01:34.night, President Hollande of France said his country was "at war with
:01:35. > :01:38.Isis" and he pledged to increase the numbers of airstrikes by Frdnch jets
:01:39. > :01:41.against Isis targets in the terror group's base in Syria in thd area
:01:42. > :01:43.of Raqqa. The aerial campaign by French
:01:44. > :01:48.forces has since intensified. Britain has been engaged
:01:49. > :01:54.in air strikes against Isis only in Iraq following
:01:55. > :01:58.the approval given by MPs in 20 4. As he reported back on the latest
:01:59. > :02:00.meeting of the G20 summit, David Cameron told MPs the Paris
:02:01. > :02:03.attacks had strengthened thd case for tackling Isis, sometimes called
:02:04. > :02:11.Isil, across the Syria-Iraq border. It operates across the borddr
:02:12. > :02:26.in Syria. The border is meaningless
:02:27. > :02:28.because as far as Isil is It is in Syria, and Iraq th`t Isil
:02:29. > :02:35.has its headquarters and it is from there some of the main
:02:36. > :02:38.threats against this countrx are Raqqa, if you like,
:02:39. > :02:41.is the head of the snake. It is important
:02:42. > :02:43.the whole House understands the There is no government in Sxria we
:02:44. > :02:48.can work with, particularly not There are no rigorous policd
:02:49. > :02:52.investigations or independent We have no military
:02:53. > :02:56.on the ground to detain those In this situation we do not protect
:02:57. > :03:02.the British people by sitting back We have to act to keep
:03:03. > :03:11.our people safe and that is what We cannot expect, should not expect
:03:12. > :03:17.others to carry the burden `nd the I recognise that there are
:03:18. > :03:22.concerns in this House. What difference would action
:03:23. > :03:25.by the UK really make? How does the recent Russian
:03:26. > :03:36.action affect the situation? Above all, how would a decision by
:03:37. > :03:38.Britain and Syria fit into a
:03:39. > :03:42.strategy for dealing with Isil and a diplomatic strategy to
:03:43. > :03:45.bring the war in Syria to an end? I understand these concerns and I
:03:46. > :03:48.know they must be answered. I will respond personally to
:03:49. > :03:52.the report of the I will set out
:03:53. > :03:59.a strategy for dealing with Isil, our vision for
:04:00. > :04:03.a more stable, peaceful Middle East. This strategy in my view should
:04:04. > :04:06.include taking the action in Syria I I hope
:04:07. > :04:10.in setting up the arguments in this way I can help build support right
:04:11. > :04:24.across this House for the action I Jeremy Corbyn said he agreed
:04:25. > :04:32.consensus was need in countdring Isil.
:04:33. > :04:34.While we welcome the sensible measures to make more funding
:04:35. > :04:37.available for our security services, to gather intelligence, expose and
:04:38. > :04:40.prevent plots, can he confirm that these will be balanced with the need
:04:41. > :04:44.to protect our civil liberthes, which were so hard-won
:04:45. > :04:46.in this country and so stoutly defended by many of us?
:04:47. > :04:48.They are part of what distinguishes us from many
:04:49. > :04:51.Indeed regimes from which people are fleeing.
:04:52. > :04:54.There are over 2 million Muslims living in Britain and they `re
:04:55. > :04:57.as utterly appalled by the violence in Paris as anybody else.
:04:58. > :04:59.We have seen in the past after atrocities like this,
:05:00. > :05:02.there can be a backlash agahnst the Muslim and other communhties.
:05:03. > :05:08.Anti-Semitism, Islamophobia, far right racism,
:05:09. > :05:11.have no place whatsoever in our society, our thinking and I
:05:12. > :05:15.hope there will be no incre`se in any of that intolerance as ` result
:05:16. > :05:20.It is vital at a time of tr`gedy and outrage not to be drawn
:05:21. > :05:25.into responses which would feed a cycle of violence and hatred.
:05:26. > :05:28.President Obama has said th`t Isis grew out of our invasion of Iraq
:05:29. > :05:35.and is one of its unintended consequences.
:05:36. > :05:42.Jeremy Corbyn previously sahd he did not support a shoot to kill policy
:05:43. > :05:47.by British police. An MP on his dentures disagreed. -- benches.
:05:48. > :05:50.The Prime Minister is right the police and security service need
:05:51. > :05:55.Should it not be immediatelx obvious to everybody, to everyone that the
:05:56. > :05:57.police need the full and necessary powers, including the proportionate
:05:58. > :06:07.use of lethal force if need be, to keep our communities safd?
:06:08. > :06:12.Another Labour MP criticised those who said the atrocities in Paris
:06:13. > :06:16.followed on from western actions in Iraq and Syria.
:06:17. > :06:18.Does the Prime Minister agrde that the full responsibility for the
:06:19. > :06:22.attacks in Paris lies solelx with the terrorists and that any attempt
:06:23. > :06:28.by any organisation to somehow blame the West, or the French milhtary
:06:29. > :06:30.intervention in Syria is not only wrong, disgraceful,
:06:31. > :06:36.The response right across the House shows how right
:06:37. > :06:41.It is worth remembering to those that somehow this is all
:06:42. > :06:44.caused by Iraq, France did not take part in the Iraq war.
:06:45. > :07:03.Can I ask the Prime Minister to reject the view
:07:04. > :07:05.as always a reaction to what we in the West do?
:07:06. > :07:08.Does he agree with me that such an approach risks infantilising
:07:09. > :07:11.the terrorists and treating them as children, when the truth is that
:07:12. > :07:14.they are adults entirely responsible for what they do?
:07:15. > :07:19.Nobody forces them to kill hnnocent people in Paris or Beirut and
:07:20. > :07:25.unless we are clear about that, we will fail even to be abld to
:07:26. > :07:27.understand the threat faced, let alone confront it and ultim`tely
:07:28. > :07:33.It is that sort of moral and intellectual clarhty that
:07:34. > :07:43.is necessary in dealing with terrorists.
:07:44. > :07:49.There has been bombing by Rtssia, France, and many other countries.
:07:50. > :07:55.Bombs have been dropped frol jets and missiles fired from nav`l
:07:56. > :07:58.vessels. The US president h`s reiterated his opposition to
:07:59. > :08:02.providing boots on the ground. Given the fact is, does the prime Minister
:08:03. > :08:05.agree that intervention in Syria is an end to the Civil War and
:08:06. > :08:11.supporting the Kurds on the ground? On Saturday, at a Parliamentary
:08:12. > :08:14.group visit, I was with the Kurds in the Kurdistan region of Hraq in
:08:15. > :08:19.the front line, south of Kirkuk Those Kurdish forces are br`ve,
:08:20. > :08:22.putting their lives on the line every day, they did so in Shnjar,
:08:23. > :08:32.along with the Syrian Kurds, but can we do more to provide the m`terial
:08:33. > :08:35.support for the Peshmerga of Iraqi Kurdistan and also pending
:08:36. > :08:38.a decision on whether we go into Syria, give more support from
:08:39. > :08:43.the air to the Kurds in Irap now? We discussed yesterday with
:08:44. > :08:45.President Obama and French, German and Italian leaders what more
:08:46. > :08:47.we can do. Germany is doing a lot in that area,
:08:48. > :08:50.we are doing a lot and there is more, certainlx,
:08:51. > :08:58.we can do. One day after the Commons c`me back,
:08:59. > :09:01.the House of Lords returned Peers also reflected
:09:02. > :09:04.on the implications Remembering the baleful
:09:05. > :09:12.effects that ensued when George Bush Junior used the word
:09:13. > :09:13."crusade" Gulf War, will the Minister agree
:09:14. > :09:18.the language we choose to use at In this context, would she `gree
:09:19. > :09:25.the use of the word "war" is at best unhelpful and perhaps even
:09:26. > :09:28.unwise, given it will only reinforce Would that not also apply to the
:09:29. > :09:37.Prime Minister's favourite phrase, In fact, we are fighting
:09:38. > :09:45.for universal values which tnderpin all the great religions
:09:46. > :09:48.and philosophies, including Islam. It is proper that we should be
:09:49. > :09:51.engaged in trying to find a political solution to somd
:09:52. > :09:57.of the problems in Syria. But we would be operating under
:09:58. > :10:03.a delusion and deceiving the people of this country hf we
:10:04. > :10:12.implied that even should a political solution with Assad, or
:10:13. > :10:14.without him, be achieved tolorrow, It is part of a long-running
:10:15. > :10:21.generational attempt to est`blish an Islamic-Fascist empire, other
:10:22. > :10:31.people who will stop at nothing and therefore it is to the people of
:10:32. > :10:34.this country to say that opposing Isil is somehow redundant
:10:35. > :10:37.if we achieve a political solution. There are verses in the Kor`n
:10:38. > :10:44.written for particular circumstances 50
:10:45. > :10:46.years ago, when the infant community They are words like,
:10:47. > :10:56."kill them wherever you find them." Now, they were written
:10:57. > :11:06.for different circumstances, but they are being used today bx those
:11:07. > :11:12.people who want to radicalise, disadvantaged youth in general to
:11:13. > :11:21.move towards this extremism. The promised commitments to
:11:22. > :11:24.shut down any educational institutions which are teaching
:11:25. > :11:28.Islamist intolerance could I ask the lady to confirm
:11:29. > :11:34.this policy will include all our mosques, where so much of the
:11:35. > :11:45.poison is spread? My Lords, it will include any
:11:46. > :11:48.establishment where this kind of extremism, non-violent
:11:49. > :12:01.and violent is being pursued. The latest thoughts on the `trocity
:12:02. > :12:06.in Paris. The government wants to rendgotiate
:12:07. > :12:09.the terms of the UK's membership of the European Union ahead
:12:10. > :12:11.of a referendum. That process has started
:12:12. > :12:13.and MPs on the European Scrttiny Committee were keen to find out how
:12:14. > :12:16.the government's demands ard being received by European politicians
:12:17. > :12:19.and what say the UK parliamdnt was We are deeply concerned
:12:20. > :12:27.about the level of engagement with the Government and Parliament
:12:28. > :12:31.on the renegotiation so far and we agree with the concltsion of
:12:32. > :12:35.a House of Lords committee that it The Minister
:12:36. > :12:39.for Europe told us that Parliament would only be able to debatd, and I
:12:40. > :12:42.quote, the final offer, at the Yet the Government has been obliged
:12:43. > :12:48.to publish the Prime Minster's letter to Donald Tusk,
:12:49. > :12:53.and make a statement in the House. As Foreign Secretary, how do you
:12:54. > :12:55.intend to provide meaningful Parliamentary involvement in the
:12:56. > :13:17.next stages of the renegoti`tion? Bits of the process are conducted
:13:18. > :13:19.in the public domain. We will obviously make sure that
:13:20. > :13:21.Parliament is informed first, where there are initiatives
:13:22. > :13:23.which are UK initiatives. There will be other bits
:13:24. > :13:26.which we have to do privately. We will keep Parliament upd`ted
:13:27. > :13:30.on the process, but I would ask Parliament to understand thhs is
:13:31. > :13:33.a negotiation and clearly wd cannot conduct a negotiation with `ll
:13:34. > :13:35.of our cards turned face up for inspection by those people we
:13:36. > :13:45.are negotiating with. What in your assessment would you
:13:46. > :13:49.be the impact on Britain and other All the focus has been
:13:50. > :13:52.on renegotiation but have you done any assessment
:13:53. > :13:56.on what would happen if you left? I have already said I think
:13:57. > :13:59.the impact on the entire European In the EU right now, having faced
:14:00. > :14:08.this year now facing a crisis
:14:09. > :14:15.of confidence around the Schengen agreement and how external ligration
:14:16. > :14:18.is managed, the European Unhon is The exit of a major country,
:14:19. > :14:26.the second largest economy in the European Union,
:14:27. > :14:28.would have potentially very significant ramifications
:14:29. > :14:30.for the European Union and for its A British exit would also h`ve
:14:31. > :14:46.very significant impact on the UK. It would require us to undo decades
:14:47. > :14:53.of thinking about how we drhve and power the UK economy, how
:14:54. > :14:55.we ensure the standard of living for British peopld, how we
:14:56. > :14:58.protect our national security. It would require a radical rethink
:14:59. > :15:01.and I am sure, certainly in the short-term, it would have some
:15:02. > :15:19.very negative impact on the UK. One key area is restricting access
:15:20. > :15:23.to in work and out of work hn a fit to be you migrants. Ministers want
:15:24. > :15:24.to stop those coming to the UK from claiming certain benefits until they
:15:25. > :15:44.have been resident for four years. of into EU migrants are in receipt
:15:45. > :15:48.of UK benefits. I would say it is a vibrant economy, increasing living
:15:49. > :15:54.wage and lower tax in the ftture will be equally attractive but just
:15:55. > :15:58.on the institute of the whole fact benefits, what is the view of other
:15:59. > :16:03.member states last far and now the manse for this four-year rule? This
:16:04. > :16:08.will be the most difficult hssue. All of the other areas, there are
:16:09. > :16:13.people across Europe willing to engage with us, I'm not sayhng
:16:14. > :16:18.everyone is positive about dvery aspect but there are people willing
:16:19. > :16:24.to engage with as, people recognising the validity of the
:16:25. > :16:30.concerns that we are raising, people coming up with ideas and suggestions
:16:31. > :16:35.about how we might tackle them and very few issues of principld being
:16:36. > :16:41.raised against, so is a pragmatic discussion. There are peopld rating
:16:42. > :16:43.objections of principle agahnst what we are proposing in relation to
:16:44. > :16:45.access to welfare benefits. You're watching our round up of the
:16:46. > :16:49.day in the Commons and the Lords. Should the voting age be
:16:50. > :16:53.lowered from 18 to 16? The Health Secretary has lahd
:16:54. > :16:57.the blame for a proposed walkout by junior doctors squarely at the feet
:16:58. > :17:02.of the British Medical Association. The BMA is balloting members for
:17:03. > :17:06.three days of strike action which The dispute is over
:17:07. > :17:11.a revised contract, which would reduce the numbdr
:17:12. > :17:14.of hours classed as unsociable and Junior doctors are the backbone
:17:15. > :17:23.of the NHS and it is highly regrettabld that
:17:24. > :17:26.their union has let them down by refusing to negotiate a new contract
:17:27. > :17:29.that will be better for doctors safer for patients and the truly
:17:30. > :17:31.seven-day services we all w`nt. The person who has let
:17:32. > :17:34.the junior doctors down is none Does he recognise how insulting it
:17:35. > :17:38.is to those doctors to implx first of all that they are not already
:17:39. > :17:42.working seven days and cruchally will he listen to the professionals,
:17:43. > :17:45.both the junior doctors and their senior counterparts who support
:17:46. > :17:47.them, and drop his threat of imposing the contract
:17:48. > :17:53.so meaningful talks can takd place? What exactly would she say to her
:17:54. > :17:59.constituents who are not getting the standard of care they need to get
:18:00. > :18:03.seven days a week and is shd going to stand side-by-side with them or
:18:04. > :18:06.with a union that has misrepresented We have been very clear,
:18:07. > :18:12.there are no preconditions to any talks except that, if we fahl to
:18:13. > :18:16.make progress on the crucial issue of seven-day reform, then
:18:17. > :18:19.of course we reserve the right to I am deeply concerned about the
:18:20. > :18:27.impact on patient care of the three days of proposed industrial action
:18:28. > :18:31.including two days of full walk out. Would the Secretary
:18:32. > :18:33.of State set out what advanced preperations are taking place to
:18:34. > :18:36.ensure patient safety and also could he reassure the House that there are
:18:37. > :18:41.no preconditions that can act as barriers that
:18:42. > :18:43.the BMA have to agree to We are willing to talk
:18:44. > :18:48.about absolutely everything and I would say how strongly I agree with
:18:49. > :18:52.her that it is going to be a very difficult to avoid h`rm to
:18:53. > :18:55.patients during these three days Something like delaying a c`ncer
:18:56. > :18:59.clinic which might mean somdone gets a later diagnosis, delaying a hip
:19:00. > :19:03.operation when someone is in a great deal of pain, these are things that
:19:04. > :19:07.will be very hard to avoid `n impact on patients and I would urgd the BMA
:19:08. > :19:11.to listen to the royal colldges Now, in 1970, it came down
:19:12. > :19:19.from 21 to 18. Plenty of people were shockdd
:19:20. > :19:22.at the idea of giving the rhght to 45 years on, the same argumdnts are
:19:23. > :19:28.being made, this time over whether the voting age should fall
:19:29. > :19:33.by another two years to 16. In the Scottish independencd
:19:34. > :19:37.referendum, young people agdd 1 and 17 were allowed to vote
:19:38. > :19:40.and played a large part in one reason why
:19:41. > :19:46.the Lords recently backed the idea of 16 and 17-year-olds being given
:19:47. > :19:50.the vote for local elections. So the issue came back to
:19:51. > :19:54.the Commons. I think it is undeniable th`t there
:19:55. > :19:56.is a debate There are views on both sidds
:19:57. > :20:00.of the argument. It is the view
:20:01. > :20:04.of nearly all honourable melbers that we would like to see greater
:20:05. > :20:07.participation and involvement Whether this is the right w`y
:20:08. > :20:11.of going about it, I think that is rather less clearly
:20:12. > :20:15.agreed across the House and indeed it is an area in which I
:20:16. > :20:18.have serious reservations. The 16-year-olds that I know and
:20:19. > :20:21.speak to are keen on the idda of greater political involvement and,
:20:22. > :20:24.we keep going back to the Scottish referendum, but it was amazhng to
:20:25. > :20:32.see so many young people taking part It was a once-in-a-lifetime
:20:33. > :20:41.opportunity for them. It was something that was
:20:42. > :20:43.going to affect them. I do feel that we have 16-ydar-olds
:20:44. > :20:50.who are engaged in the political process and yet we
:20:51. > :20:54.deliberately exclude them from it. My election campaign,
:20:55. > :21:00.I spoke to hundreds of young people that not only were enthused by the
:21:01. > :21:05.political process but also `ctively Does she agree with me that it's
:21:06. > :21:11.an absolute myth that young people are not interested in polithcs,
:21:12. > :21:16.not capable of holding publhc office and not capable of voting
:21:17. > :21:19.and does she agree with me that .. The leader of the Scottish
:21:20. > :21:24.Conservatives Ruth Davidson has said, I am happy to hold my hands
:21:25. > :21:28.up and say I've changed my lind I'm a fully paid-up member
:21:29. > :21:31.of the votes for 16 club now I thought some of the 16
:21:32. > :21:35.and 17-year-olds were fantastic I cannot tell you the number of
:21:36. > :21:40.hustings and public meetings I went to and some younger members of the
:21:41. > :21:42.audience were the most informed That tells you everything
:21:43. > :21:45.about how young people ought to be engaged and why they need to be
:21:46. > :21:49.engaged in this way. Ruth Davidson has changed hdr view
:21:50. > :21:56.on votes for 16 but she comds to the conclusion that it ought to be
:21:57. > :21:59.done for all elections I think it does a disservicd to this
:22:00. > :22:06.important reform not to givd it Would the honourable member accept
:22:07. > :22:16.that, in the absence of any other bill or strategy or
:22:17. > :22:22.proposal for bringing about votes at 16 and 17, that this is the best we
:22:23. > :22:26.can do in the meantime and we should I do think we run a risk
:22:27. > :22:30.of creating a patchwork and I don't feel particularly
:22:31. > :22:34.comfortable that 16-year-olds in one part of the country can do
:22:35. > :22:37.something that 16-year-olds in other I'm not comfortable with
:22:38. > :22:43.the inconsistency there. I would prefer us to take this
:22:44. > :22:47.debate in the round and, as I say, And, at the end of that deb`te,
:22:48. > :22:54.MPs voted to reject the verdict of the Lords, keeping the voting age at
:22:55. > :22:59.18 in all elections for the moment. Questions continue to be asked
:23:00. > :23:02.in Parliament about the collapse Set up to help deprived youngsters
:23:03. > :23:08.in Britain's inner-cities, Kids Company, together with
:23:09. > :23:11.its distinctive founder Camhla Batmanghelidjh, initially enjoyed
:23:12. > :23:15.much favourable support frol the But it folded in the summer
:23:16. > :23:21.amid a row about funding. When a former Deputy Childrdn's
:23:22. > :23:24.Commissioner came before a committee of MPs, she was asked for hdr views
:23:25. > :23:28.of how Camila Batmanghelidjh had run My perspective was
:23:29. > :23:37.and the impression I came away with was that she was very much
:23:38. > :23:42.in control of what went on. The ethos, the way in
:23:43. > :23:51.which things were run, the general It was very much my view th`t this
:23:52. > :23:58.was an organisation with Maybe you should have gone to
:23:59. > :24:03.the government and said, thdre is It didn't occur to me at thd time,
:24:04. > :24:09.it occurred to me subsequent to that, and I thought about why it
:24:10. > :24:13.didn't occur to me at the thme and I go back to the issue that w`s raised
:24:14. > :24:18.about, in a sense, the powerful alliances that the Chief Exdcutive
:24:19. > :24:23.of Kids Company had and, I'l a fairly robust and resilient person
:24:24. > :24:30.and I was in a prominent position, and I acknowledge that, even for me,
:24:31. > :24:35.it would have been very challenging to have gone to Number 10 and said,
:24:36. > :24:43.I am concerned, because to take a stand against somebody who was
:24:44. > :24:47.constantly telling you about celebrities or relationships
:24:48. > :24:54.with people in the very highest Not in her presence,
:24:55. > :25:06.I'm fairly robust, but in tdrms Yes,
:25:07. > :25:15.it gave me great pause for thought. My concern was that
:25:16. > :25:17.the money was not being well spent but I was acutely aware that she
:25:18. > :25:25.occupied a very powerful position and it would be difficult to make
:25:26. > :25:31.those kinds of representations. Quite frankly,
:25:32. > :25:39.I don't think my voice would have Until then, from me,
:25:40. > :25:43.Keith Macdougall, goodbye.