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:00:12. > :00:13.Hello and welcome to Tuesday in Parliament -

:00:14. > :00:18.The human cost of the recent floods is laid bare

:00:19. > :00:22.as MPs debate water defences and climate change.

:00:23. > :00:25.Parents are now telling me that their children are too

:00:26. > :00:28.frightened to go to sleep in case it happens again.

:00:29. > :00:34.The chief executive of Talk Talk tells MPs more needs to be

:00:35. > :00:43.done to get to grips with criminal activity online.

:00:44. > :00:50.exponentially and we all need to generation.

:00:51. > :00:52.exponentially and we all need to know more and learn more.

:00:53. > :00:55.And Tim Peake's space flight sparks a bit of pre-Christmas levity

:00:56. > :01:03.I think it is most unfortunate. I know it is the festive season but

:01:04. > :01:05.honourable members opposite are singing and it is not good.

:01:06. > :01:07.The government's been accused of letting communities down over

:01:08. > :01:10.the recent flooding in the north of England and Scottish borders.

:01:11. > :01:12.In a debate called by Labour, the Shadow Environment Secretary

:01:13. > :01:15.said not enough was being done in the UK to tackle climate change,

:01:16. > :01:18.and said ministers needed to look beyond flood defences with a focus

:01:19. > :01:33.Will she assured that there is more coordination with the Department for

:01:34. > :01:37.Transport, that our financial services do not keep investing in

:01:38. > :01:43.fossil fuels? And will see stop making short-term cuts to

:01:44. > :01:48.renewables, ignoring the long-term financial and human costs. Expert at

:01:49. > :01:52.the export is warning that this government is failing on climate

:01:53. > :01:56.change and failing to protect people from flooding. They are letting down

:01:57. > :02:02.communities dreading the next heavy rainfall and flooding down future

:02:03. > :02:06.generations will bear the brunt of climate change. The reality is

:02:07. > :02:09.without a strong economy under a Conservative government we wouldn't

:02:10. > :02:14.have money for these crucial schemes. Our party is investing in

:02:15. > :02:20.new power stations and making sure we had the energy supplies while

:02:21. > :02:27.reducing carbon emissions. It is our party that is investing to make this

:02:28. > :02:32.country more resilient and adapt to climate change and extreme weather.

:02:33. > :02:37.The party opposite have no plan. They shout these decisions when they

:02:38. > :02:45.were in office and they wasted our money. The damage and disruption

:02:46. > :02:47.caused by the flood has still been significant. The Scottish Government

:02:48. > :02:53.made it clear from the start that this game would be made to fund

:02:54. > :02:58.repair work. They also emphasised that money is available to fund a

:02:59. > :03:02.full flood prevention scheme. Preferred scheme has been chosen and

:03:03. > :03:08.we are now moving to detailed design. It is critical to get this

:03:09. > :03:18.right, as are only bold scheme can fail and even make things worse.

:03:19. > :03:20.She was the host of the high ambition coalition between developed

:03:21. > :03:22.and vulnerable countries, and her office was its headquarters.

:03:23. > :03:25.She deserves credit for the very constructive role that she played.

:03:26. > :03:33.Having said that, when I listened to her statement yesterday, I felt,

:03:34. > :03:36.while I do not want to be unfair to her, that her position

:03:37. > :03:39.was somewhat to say, Everything has changed and nothing

:03:40. > :03:41.has changed. In other words, internationally everything has

:03:42. > :03:45.changed, with high ambitions, zero emissions and all that stuff,

:03:46. > :03:47.but for the UK things are the same as before.

:03:48. > :03:51.Climate change is clearly not an esoteric matter, although some

:03:52. > :03:56.The impact on my constituency, throughout my county and on other

:03:57. > :04:01.The impact on the families who will be out of their homes

:04:02. > :04:04.at Christmas, the hundreds upon hundreds of children

:04:05. > :04:07.who are not able to look forward to Christmas at home,

:04:08. > :04:14.First, I express my sympathy to all those victims of floods.

:04:15. > :04:16.Monmouthshire has been affected by flooding in the past,

:04:17. > :04:19.of course, and all those who helped with the clean-up.

:04:20. > :04:22.However, I take issue with the idea that man-made climate change has

:04:23. > :04:29.It is unfortunate that the two issues have been mixed up.

:04:30. > :04:38.We have had few debates about global warming and climate change.

:04:39. > :04:41.Climate change has been with us for millions of years,

:04:42. > :04:46.I urge the Secretary of State for Energy and Climate Change to ask

:04:47. > :04:49.a few hard questions of those who are frankly displaying some

:04:50. > :05:06.Sue Hayman described what she had seen after the flooding. Last week I

:05:07. > :05:12.stood with a family standing on their soaked carpet.

:05:13. > :05:14.I stood inside homes in Cockermouth that stank of diesel oil.

:05:15. > :05:16.I watched families in Workington throw decorated Christmas

:05:17. > :05:23.I visited the flooded village school in Brigham and went to the town

:05:24. > :05:29.Parents are now telling me that their children are too

:05:30. > :05:32.frightened to go to sleep in case it happens again.

:05:33. > :05:40.Cyber attacks are the crime of our generation, TalkTalk's Dido Harding

:05:41. > :05:44.The firm's chief executive was answering questions

:05:45. > :05:49.about the cyber attack on TalkTalk's website on 21 October.

:05:50. > :05:54.Hackers accessed the personal details of 157,000 customers.

:05:55. > :05:56.Five people have been arrested and bailed in connection

:05:57. > :06:00.Ms Harding defended the company's security arrangements to the Culture

:06:01. > :06:13.Could I just begin by apologising again to all of the customers of

:06:14. > :06:18.talk talk for the concern and the inevitable uncertainty that this

:06:19. > :06:23.event has called. None of us know enough and I think any chief

:06:24. > :06:25.executive who looks you in the eye and said they know enough about the

:06:26. > :06:30.subject, it means they haven't gotten up about it yet. This is a

:06:31. > :06:34.cybercrime, it is the crime of our generation and it is growing

:06:35. > :06:39.exponentially and we all need to know more and learn more. A lot of

:06:40. > :06:43.people have written to us and says to us that you are simply not

:06:44. > :06:47.looking after them, and it makes them very cross with you as a

:06:48. > :06:52.company. You are not compensating them. Why are you not issuing

:06:53. > :06:57.adequate compensation? Well, I fully appreciate that customers worry and

:06:58. > :07:01.frustrated and many of them contact me directly to express those

:07:02. > :07:07.emotions. Anyone who is directly lost money as a direct consequence

:07:08. > :07:11.of this criminal attack, we absolutely wish to talk to them and

:07:12. > :07:17.deal with that on a case-by-case basis. And you will compensate them?

:07:18. > :07:19.I am not aware who of anyone who has directly lost anyone as a result of

:07:20. > :07:21.the attack. Ms Harding would not say how much

:07:22. > :07:23.money TalkTalk allocated to its security budget,

:07:24. > :07:25.but she did say she believed the attack would cost

:07:26. > :07:34.the company ?30 to ?35 million. If this had been a physical ram raid

:07:35. > :07:39.on a store, and that say it was one where not only goods were stolen but

:07:40. > :07:42.customers were beaten up, to try and get the analogy, I think the first

:07:43. > :07:46.thing that you would ask of the retailer is, where they following

:07:47. > :07:51.all of the appropriate health and safety and security regulations?

:07:52. > :07:57.Once they have demonstrated that they had, you would assume they were

:07:58. > :08:03.victims of a crime. The difference between the physical and the digital

:08:04. > :08:06.world is what counts as appropriate health and safety and security as a

:08:07. > :08:12.benchmark is something that we are all working out at the moment, there

:08:13. > :08:17.isn't that a group is an asymmetry, it is greater in the digital world,

:08:18. > :08:22.between companies who have to if 100% of the time and cybercriminals

:08:23. > :08:27.who only had to get lucky once. The way the digital world works is that

:08:28. > :08:30.all of the tools, it is like all of your potential cybercriminals

:08:31. > :08:35.worldwide, they all have access to the equivalent of a Kalashnikov and

:08:36. > :08:36.a nuclear bomb because it is cut and paste and sitting in the dark web

:08:37. > :08:36.for free. Dido Harding described how

:08:37. > :08:39.the events of the hack unfolded. After the attack, she received

:08:40. > :08:41.a ransom demand by email. She said the day after the hack,

:08:42. > :08:53.she decided the sensible thing to do I was clear that I needed to warn

:08:54. > :08:58.all my customers, that I could do something about it to help protect

:08:59. > :09:03.my customers. If the story you have painted, they must be a risk there

:09:04. > :09:08.that there are other companies, but will a similar amount of data, we

:09:09. > :09:12.received a similar e-mail asking for a ransom to paid and they pay it and

:09:13. > :09:16.no one would be any the wiser. I think there is that risk. If I may

:09:17. > :09:19.just finished my timeline, I was clear by the lunchtime on the

:09:20. > :09:23.Thursday that the sensible thing to do to protect the customers was to

:09:24. > :09:26.warn all of them because I could have made them safer. I could give

:09:27. > :09:31.them free credit monitoring. I could warn them not to accept these scum

:09:32. > :09:36.calls. For completely understandable reasons, scam calls. The advice we

:09:37. > :09:41.received from the Metropolitan Police was not to tell our

:09:42. > :09:43.customers. I totally understand why the police wanted to stay quiet

:09:44. > :09:44.because they have different objective, they want to catch the

:09:45. > :09:45.criminals. On the day when a Brit

:09:46. > :09:49.blasted off into space, an unexpected burst of singing

:09:50. > :09:52.on the green benches - perhaps to celebrate,

:09:53. > :09:54.or perhaps just sparked off But ahead of that space oddity,

:09:55. > :09:59.it was business as usual at Question Time - with MPs considering how

:10:00. > :10:09.to increase exports. Can he tell me how his department

:10:10. > :10:12.plans to make good use of our new trade relationship with China to

:10:13. > :10:19.help small businesses expand into these vital global markets? Can I

:10:20. > :10:23.commend Right Honourable friend on her efforts to encourage businesses

:10:24. > :10:28.in her own constituency to export more to China? While exports to

:10:29. > :10:32.China have doubled in the last five years, there is a lot more we can

:10:33. > :10:35.do, the recent visit by the Chinese president I think helped highlight

:10:36. > :10:40.that. The efforts that she is making with UK G8 and see BBC and others I

:10:41. > :10:45.think is an example to us. I was talking recently to a senior Indian

:10:46. > :10:49.business and I asked him how can we increase trade with India? He said

:10:50. > :10:58.the one thing you could do is the EU. Would the Secretary of State,

:10:59. > :11:05.either has Secretary of State, or personally, endorse these comments

:11:06. > :11:09.Chris Agro -- last week I was speaking to a lot of Indian

:11:10. > :11:14.businessmen and women and Indian students and I think we can

:11:15. > :11:17.certainly increase our exports to India in education. It is all very

:11:18. > :11:23.well but it is not working because the latest trade deficit is

:11:24. > :11:27.widening. Up to ?2.4 billion last quarter. Exports of goods, perhaps

:11:28. > :11:34.ministers should listen to this, exports of goods the UK actually

:11:35. > :11:40.fell last month by ?709. It is a pity we can't exports being because

:11:41. > :11:49.the Government is very good at that. What is his excuse for the dismal

:11:50. > :11:53.record on the trade deficit? The honourable gentleman shouldn't do

:11:54. > :11:59.down our world-class exporters. They are doing a fantastic job, and I

:12:00. > :12:05.will give you a few examples of what they can export. They can export

:12:06. > :12:09.wine to France, chocolate to Belgium, even export boomerangs to

:12:10. > :12:14.Australia. I feared it is the same boomerang that keeps coming back.

:12:15. > :12:19.Can I say that the United Kingdom space sector, we have heard this

:12:20. > :12:24.great news about the launch today, Major Tim going up into space.

:12:25. > :12:31.Ground control can report that the UK space sector is almost doubled to

:12:32. > :12:35.11.8 billion... Mr Speaker, I figured it is most unfortunate, I

:12:36. > :12:38.know it is the festive season but honourable members opposite are now

:12:39. > :12:45.singing and it is not good, but it has doubled, it is important. I hope

:12:46. > :12:51.they might cheer these facts. ?11.8 billion in just seven years,

:12:52. > :12:56.employing 37,000 people. Seeing, but no member of this House can match

:12:57. > :13:01.David Bowie. I am irrelevant as far as ground control is concerned. Can

:13:02. > :13:06.I add our best wishes and congratulations to Major Tim Peakes.

:13:07. > :13:10.The first British just cannot to reach the International Space

:13:11. > :13:16.Station. Can I also paid tribute to Helen Sharman who was the first

:13:17. > :13:24.button to go into space. Let us all do our bit to -- Britain. In the

:13:25. > :13:28.same way that the moon landings inspired my generation. Yesterday

:13:29. > :13:32.the member for North Shropshire described the Prime Minister's

:13:33. > :13:37.negotiations as froth and nonsense and the Prime Minister's approach to

:13:38. > :13:40.his endless negotiations have been described as a shambles. Does the

:13:41. > :13:46.Secretary of State agree with UK business or the Eurosceptics on his

:13:47. > :13:51.own side? Firstly, if I may just associate myself with the comments

:13:52. > :13:55.the honourable lady made about Major Tim Peakes mission and how he is an

:13:56. > :13:59.inspiration for us all. Hopefully we can get more people interested in

:14:00. > :14:03.science. About the European Union, what I agree with is with almost all

:14:04. > :14:07.businesses that I have met, they want to see reform and changes in

:14:08. > :14:10.our relationship with the EU and they want to see it more

:14:11. > :14:14.competitive, easier trade deals, quicker and deeper trade deals, a

:14:15. > :14:17.deeper single market and less bureaucracy. I'm sure she agrees

:14:18. > :14:19.with that too and that is what we are fighting for.

:14:20. > :14:22.The Labour MP Frank Field, who worked with the Labour

:14:23. > :14:24.and coalition governments on welfare reform and poverty,

:14:25. > :14:27.has called for local authorities to seek out children eligible

:14:28. > :14:30.for free school meals, rather than waiting for parents to apply.

:14:31. > :14:33.He said there were children who were falling through the net -

:14:34. > :14:38.and housing benefit data could be used to make sure that children had

:14:39. > :14:45.the meal they were entitled to at school.

:14:46. > :14:51.I view the world I grew up in rather like a train journey. There were

:14:52. > :14:55.different compartments to that train, reflecting our social

:14:56. > :15:00.classes, particularly in England, it was a first-class compartment,

:15:01. > :15:03.second, third and fourth. But the crucial thing about this train

:15:04. > :15:09.journey was that we were all on board, and we were all heading

:15:10. > :15:16.towards a better tomorrow. In the past decade or so, the last

:15:17. > :15:22.carriage, that was class carriage, has become detached from the train

:15:23. > :15:25.journey to rest of us are on. Last night, in each of our

:15:26. > :15:32.constituencies, a large number of children went to bed hungry and took

:15:33. > :15:35.that hunger to school with them. The Secretary of State for Education, to

:15:36. > :15:41.her credit, it is concerned about this, and is concerned about the

:15:42. > :15:46.numbers of children who appear eligible for free school meals but

:15:47. > :15:51.get no hot meal at the beginning of the day. And she has a task force

:15:52. > :15:55.which is looking at good practice and trying to spread good practice.

:15:56. > :16:02.But we all know how long it sometimes takes for good practice to

:16:03. > :16:07.be spread. Already I think we have a record number of 126 members from

:16:08. > :16:11.all sides of the House with all kinds of opinions, wishing for this

:16:12. > :16:15.Bill to proceed. It is of course in the power of the Secretary of State

:16:16. > :16:22.to beat the Bill and seek these powers herself. It would not by

:16:23. > :16:29.itself, that move, bring a happy, more prosperous Christmas to those

:16:30. > :16:35.children, but it would lay the basis that, come the New Year, there would

:16:36. > :16:39.be fewer hungry children in Britain today than there are today, and I

:16:40. > :16:40.seek a leave of the Houston to introduce the Bill.

:16:41. > :16:42.His bill has little chance of becoming law without support

:16:43. > :16:46.But Frank Field stressed it had been supported by 125 MPs from parties

:16:47. > :16:48.across the Commons and urged the government to introduce

:16:49. > :16:58.A point he was making up to the very end.

:16:59. > :17:19.Free school meals, automatic legislation of eligible children.

:17:20. > :17:21.The 22nd of January, 2016. In case people didn't here, unless the

:17:22. > :17:22.Secretary of State acts before then. The Speaker there, noting

:17:23. > :17:25.a hint when he hears one. You're watching

:17:26. > :17:26.Tuesday in Parliament. Still to come: Peers agree that

:17:27. > :17:29.people with Downs Syndrome have been let down by society, in the words

:17:30. > :17:35.of the minister, "forever." MPs have accused the Director

:17:36. > :17:37.of Public Prosecutions of being "complacent"

:17:38. > :17:41.and being in "a bubble." Alison Saunders was appearing before

:17:42. > :17:44.the Justice Committee when she was challenged over

:17:45. > :17:47.the standard of prosecutors in court and the treatment of victims

:17:48. > :17:52.and their families. I'm concerned there may be

:17:53. > :17:55.an element of complacency because in February 2015,

:17:56. > :18:01.the report on the investigation on prosecution of fatal road traffic

:18:02. > :18:05.incidents by Her Majesty's CPSI found that the overall standard

:18:06. > :18:12.of communication was poor in 75% of cases and they noted

:18:13. > :18:20.that there was no specialist training of prosecutors,

:18:21. > :18:23.so isn't it right that the CPS needs to do a better job in respect

:18:24. > :18:25.of fatal road traffic accidents? I think we have a standard

:18:26. > :18:28.that we should meet with bereaved families in any case

:18:29. > :18:35.and we have a higher standard of care to make sure we are meeting

:18:36. > :18:38.them and understanding the issues. All fatal road traffic

:18:39. > :18:40.accidents should go through a Deputy Crown Prosecutor

:18:41. > :18:48.for sign-off whether we are prosecuting them or not and those

:18:49. > :18:50.Deputy Crown Prosecutors have been trained and meet regularly

:18:51. > :18:55.so that they can talk to each other as well about issues including legal

:18:56. > :18:58.issues around fatal road traffic cases and therefore we have our most

:18:59. > :19:03.senior and experienced lawyers working on those cases

:19:04. > :19:05.and signing them off. So you're saying

:19:06. > :19:07.there is no problem? There is always room for improvement

:19:08. > :19:14.no matter how good we get. One of the most depressing things

:19:15. > :19:18.that anyone can possibly do is to go to court and see the standard

:19:19. > :19:20.of the Crown Prosecutors. Half of which, particularly

:19:21. > :19:21.magistrates' courts, where it is little

:19:22. > :19:29.more than a shambles. You have Crown Prosecution,

:19:30. > :19:34.and you can see they're literally reading the case file out

:19:35. > :19:37.for the first time cos they have never seen it before

:19:38. > :19:41.reading it out in court. It is a shambles and if a victim

:19:42. > :19:50.is actually sat there coming to see their bit of justice

:19:51. > :19:53.being done, what must they think when they see a Crown Prosecutor

:19:54. > :19:56.reading it out for the first time Do you not think you're a bit

:19:57. > :20:00.complacent about the standards No, I've never said there is nothing

:20:01. > :20:04.we can learn and if you go to magistrates now, you won't see

:20:05. > :20:06.prosecutors shuffling papers because papers are no

:20:07. > :20:08.longer in existence The majority of cases are now

:20:09. > :20:11.transferred digitally. I'm not being complacent at all,

:20:12. > :20:14.but what happens are those If they're going to guilty plea

:20:15. > :20:21.courts, they go in and they're dealt In some places around the country,

:20:22. > :20:30.less than 3% of cases are going with presentence reports,

:20:31. > :20:33.most are dealt with there and then and we can see from national figures

:20:34. > :20:37.that the number of hearings For not guilty plea cases,

:20:38. > :20:43.they are being dealt with at the first date of hearing

:20:44. > :20:45.because we are talking to the defence, the defence have

:20:46. > :20:48.papers, particularly digitally where we know their addresses

:20:49. > :20:53.and can send them the papers securely and we are able

:20:54. > :20:56.to list cases for trials. In some areas, we are having reports

:20:57. > :21:00.from the magistrates' courts, and from the police and prosecutors

:21:01. > :21:03.that the number of trials has been If we can put that out

:21:04. > :21:09.across the country and have that consistently, it would make a huge

:21:10. > :21:12.difference to the way in which justice is delivered

:21:13. > :21:14.and also the number of guilty plea sentences on the first hearing

:21:15. > :21:16.is going up. With respect, I think

:21:17. > :21:19.you are in a bubble, probably being told what you want to hear

:21:20. > :21:22.because actually every magistrate there is will tell

:21:23. > :21:25.you there are prosecutors reading of the case for the first time

:21:26. > :21:27.and that is unacceptable and you really should

:21:28. > :21:33.know about that. I go to court quite frequently

:21:34. > :21:37.and talk to magistrates frequently. I have regular meetings

:21:38. > :21:40.with magistrates' chairs, magistrates' benches,

:21:41. > :21:47.magistrates' associations as well as other colleagues,

:21:48. > :21:49.so I'm told very quickly. I have many ways of

:21:50. > :21:51.assessing performance. We have a very large suite

:21:52. > :21:54.of performance measures which we go through, we have local and national

:21:55. > :21:58.criminal justice boards, so I would very much hope

:21:59. > :22:00.I am not in a bubble. A hospital trust has apologised

:22:01. > :22:05.for placing a "do not resuscitate" or DNR order on a patient

:22:06. > :22:07.with Down's Syndrome - and listing his learning

:22:08. > :22:09.difficulties among the reasons The family of Andrew Waters was not

:22:10. > :22:19.consulted or informed and found out only after he was discharged

:22:20. > :22:21.from hospital in 2011. His case was raised

:22:22. > :22:27.in the House of Lords. My Lords, in considering Mencap's

:22:28. > :22:29.estimate that 1,200 people with learning difficulties die

:22:30. > :22:31.needlessly in NHS care every year, will the Minister look

:22:32. > :22:35.at the inspiring work of the Blue Apple Theatre company,

:22:36. > :22:42.which includes actors with Down's syndrome performing either Hamlet

:22:43. > :22:46.or their play Living Without Fear, which was staged in Mr Speaker's

:22:47. > :22:49.House, and then consider how best we can counter a slide

:22:50. > :22:52.into eugenics, discrimination and non-resuscitation orders,

:22:53. > :22:55.as in the case of Andrew Waters, and look for ways to promote

:22:56. > :22:57.positive and life-affirming attitudes towards people

:22:58. > :23:04.with Down s syndrome? Perhaps I could address first

:23:05. > :23:06.the particular issue of Andrew The doctor who signed the DNR

:23:07. > :23:12.order was a junior doctor It was a misjudgement,

:23:13. > :23:19.he apologised for that mistake, and he has learnt from it

:23:20. > :23:22.by using his experience to teach other doctors how to deal

:23:23. > :23:26.with similar issues. It is important to make that

:23:27. > :23:29.statement first ` the reaction of that junior doctor was the right

:23:30. > :23:33.one, having made that mistake. Does the Minister know how

:23:34. > :23:35.widespread such discrimination is against people with

:23:36. > :23:37.learning difficulties? What reassurance can he give

:23:38. > :23:40.to parents such as those I met recently in the House

:23:41. > :23:46.of Commons Dining Room, who were terrified to allow

:23:47. > :23:48.their disabled son to go into hospital because they knew

:23:49. > :23:52.they were going to be put under They were also afraid that,

:23:53. > :23:59.even if they refused but were not at his bedside 24 hours a day,

:24:00. > :24:03.it would happen anyway. I have no evidence that this

:24:04. > :24:06.is a systemic problem, but it is absolutely the case

:24:07. > :24:13.that this group of very vulnerable people have been let down not just

:24:14. > :24:18.by doctors and clinicians but actually by all of us `

:24:19. > :24:21.the whole of society, for ever. The report produced three weeks ago

:24:22. > :24:25.called Building the Right Support recognised that we have let down

:24:26. > :24:28.this group for decades, and I hope that over the next five

:24:29. > :24:35.years we can start to make amends. The assumption that pregnant women

:24:36. > :24:38.who are expecting a baby with Down's syndrome will abort that

:24:39. > :24:40.child affects public As one woman with Down's syndrome

:24:41. > :24:50.put it when speaking at a conference on prenatal diagnosis,

:24:51. > :24:53."You want to kill us", which is a hard perspective

:24:54. > :24:56.for an adult with Down's I am grateful to the Minister

:24:57. > :25:00.for picking up the point that medical nursing students need

:25:01. > :25:02.to learn from people with learning disabilities, so that

:25:03. > :25:06.their attitudes change. That familiarity with and being

:25:07. > :25:08.comfortable with people with learning disabilities

:25:09. > :25:12.will change things. The minister agreed,

:25:13. > :25:14.saying that medical training was not just about passing exams,

:25:15. > :25:16.but learning how to deal Kristina Cooper's here

:25:17. > :25:23.for the rest of the week,