:00:14. > :00:16.Hello and welcome to Tuesday in Parliament, our look at the best
:00:17. > :00:18.of the day in the Commons and the Lords.
:00:19. > :00:23.The row over allegations of anti-semitism in the Labour
:00:24. > :00:32.party spills over into a Westminster committee.
:00:33. > :00:44.It is no good giggling away. Describing me as a Nazi apologist is
:00:45. > :00:45.a lie. An MP who was at the trouble-hit
:00:46. > :00:48.England-Russia football match in Marseille speaks
:00:49. > :00:59.about what he saw. There was a co-ordinated and violent
:01:00. > :01:01.assault on the English fans by their Russians who were there.
:01:02. > :01:04.And in that other European contest, peers wonder what a British exit
:01:05. > :01:17.The Spanish Foreign Minister has said although he would like the UK
:01:18. > :01:18.to stay in the EU in the event of Brexit he would close the frontier
:01:19. > :01:20.with Gibraltar. It was back in April
:01:21. > :01:23.that Labour suspended Ken Livingstone for bringing
:01:24. > :01:25.the party into disrepute. MPs accused the former London Mayor
:01:26. > :01:28.of anti-semitism and making comments At the time Ken Livingstone
:01:29. > :01:32.was trying to defend the Bradford MP Naz Shah who'd been
:01:33. > :01:37.suspended from Labour. The events followed months
:01:38. > :01:40.of allegations about apparent rising anti-semitism among Labour party
:01:41. > :01:42.members, following Jeremy Corbyn's Mr Livingstone has faced
:01:43. > :01:50.the questions of the Commons Home I have read your pleading that
:01:51. > :01:56.you helpfully provided It is two and a half
:01:57. > :02:04.pages closely typed. It has 25 paragraphs and in that
:02:05. > :02:09.you treat us to the views of a professor, a High Court judge,
:02:10. > :02:12.President Obama, and you talk Nowhere in this document
:02:13. > :02:17.is there an apology for causing I give you this opportunity now,
:02:18. > :02:22.Mr Livingstone, will you apologise? If I had said something
:02:23. > :02:25.that was untrue and caused What caused offence was a group
:02:26. > :02:31.of embittered old Blairite MPs running around lying
:02:32. > :02:35.about what I had said. Describing me as a Nazi
:02:36. > :02:40.apologist is a lie. Mr Livingstone, it would be better
:02:41. > :02:53.if we keep personalities out of this and just concentrate
:02:54. > :02:54.on the questions that Anyone who has been upset
:02:55. > :02:59.by what I say, I am sorry, Literally, Hitler
:03:00. > :03:05.supported Zionism. One of my interviews I said
:03:06. > :03:15.if anyone can prove what I said isn't true I'll take him out
:03:16. > :03:18.to the best dinner of their lives. Oddly enough no one
:03:19. > :03:20.has come up with that. Can any of you demonstrate
:03:21. > :03:23.what I said isn't true? I came into politics
:03:24. > :03:26.to tell the truth. It may be that nobody wants to have
:03:27. > :03:36.dinner with you, Mr Livingstone. Your persistent and absolute refusal
:03:37. > :03:51.to apologise for offence you caused to Jewish people compounds
:03:52. > :03:53.the initial offence that Let's be absolutely
:03:54. > :03:58.clear about this. I couldn't move, this last few
:03:59. > :04:00.months, I can't get down the street without people
:04:01. > :04:02.stopping me and saying, we I know what you said
:04:03. > :04:05.is true, don't give in. Of course, a lot of Jewish people
:04:06. > :04:07.are offended, because they They have been told that
:04:08. > :04:11.I was a Nazi apologist. What appals me is that a handful
:04:12. > :04:14.of Labour MPs used this issue, deliberately lied about what I had
:04:15. > :04:17.said and smeared me because they were trying
:04:18. > :04:19.to undermine the leader You did help reduce inequality,
:04:20. > :04:22.you did improve the housing situation in our capital city,
:04:23. > :04:25.but you are not a historian, And by needlessly and repeatedly
:04:26. > :04:33.offending Jewish people in this way you have not only
:04:34. > :04:42.betrayed our Labour values, but you have betrayed your legacy
:04:43. > :04:45.as Mayor because all you are now going to be remembered
:04:46. > :04:47.for is becoming a pin-up for the kind of prejudice
:04:48. > :04:50.that our party was built That is a huge shame
:04:51. > :04:53.and it is an embarrassment. You know what, I will get trolled
:04:54. > :04:56.incessantly after this exchange. Please put your question
:04:57. > :04:59.if you are putting it. This is not an opportunity
:05:00. > :05:01.to issue statements. I am just making a comment
:05:02. > :05:05.since he won't answer All I would say is if you would look
:05:06. > :05:10.back at any of the things I have said that have been controversial -
:05:11. > :05:13.when I defended lesbian and gay When we said we needed to negotiate
:05:14. > :05:20.with the IRA we were denounced. Simple fact is show me what I got
:05:21. > :05:23.wrong in those times. I was just prepared to challenge
:05:24. > :05:26.the bigotry of the day. I am prepared to
:05:27. > :05:28.challenge bigotry today. I challenge your
:05:29. > :05:29.bigotry too. The Euro 2016 football
:05:30. > :05:36.tournament has got off to a less than happy start,
:05:37. > :05:38.with violent clashes between rival supporters,
:05:39. > :05:41.most notably English and Russian, The Football governing body Uefa
:05:42. > :05:49.says Russia will be removed from the tournament if their fans
:05:50. > :05:52.cause further trouble. Their battle with England supporters
:05:53. > :05:55.marred the end of the game between the two countries
:05:56. > :05:59.in Marseilles on Saturday. Attention now focuses to the next
:06:00. > :06:02.sequence of games, involving England and Russia,
:06:03. > :06:05.in the towns of Lille and Lens. In the Commons, the Shadow Home
:06:06. > :06:10.Secretary asked an urgent question. Will the Government today contact
:06:11. > :06:12.Uefa to reinforce the FA Will she ask them to investigate
:06:13. > :06:19.claims that Russian ultras have links to the official
:06:20. > :06:23.Russian delegation? On policing it would appear
:06:24. > :06:26.that some of the tactics were heavy-handed and indiscriminate
:06:27. > :06:28.use of tear gas added We accept the sensitivity
:06:29. > :06:43.of policing but will there be any discussion with the French
:06:44. > :06:44.authorities about The police are meeting, I think
:06:45. > :06:48.they are still meeting as we speak, to look at the extra action that
:06:49. > :06:52.will be taken around Lille and Lens. My understanding is that there
:06:53. > :06:55.is an expectation that there will be a greater police presence
:06:56. > :06:57.in relation to the stadium, both security outside the stadium
:06:58. > :06:59.and inside the stadium. The right honourable gentleman asked
:07:00. > :07:01.how many police we have We don't talk about numbers
:07:02. > :07:04.for operational reasons. In fact whatever the French have
:07:05. > :07:07.asked for we are willing As I said that goes both for police
:07:08. > :07:11.and for British Transport Police. I was at the match on the Saturday
:07:12. > :07:18.in Marseilles and the scenes that we saw in the stadium
:07:19. > :07:21.we thought we had left They were appalling
:07:22. > :07:25.and there was a co-ordinated, violent assault on England fans
:07:26. > :07:28.by the Russian fans that were there. It is very clear that the French
:07:29. > :07:33.police were entirely focused on preventing terrorism and had no
:07:34. > :07:36.real strategy in terms By taking on responsibility
:07:37. > :07:40.for running this tournament they have a responsibility
:07:41. > :07:44.to keep fans safe. In the 1970s we had a serious
:07:45. > :07:46.problem with football We managed to address it and now
:07:47. > :07:52.the Tartan Army wins awards for their good behaviour
:07:53. > :07:54.and their charitable work. Scotland may not have
:07:55. > :08:03.a world-class... Scotland might not have
:08:04. > :08:06.a world-class football team yet but we do have world-class fans
:08:07. > :08:12.who know how to behave themselves, as it appears do the Welsh
:08:13. > :08:21.and Northern Irish. Does the Home Secretary
:08:22. > :08:23.share my the conviction that football, the beautiful game,
:08:24. > :08:26.can so often be a force for good as most football fans both
:08:27. > :08:29.here and abroad are actually What will she be doing in the coming
:08:30. > :08:33.days and months to spread that message and what conversations
:08:34. > :08:36.will she be having with the FA and others in order to make sure
:08:37. > :08:39.that those who come in peace are outnumbering and outvoicing
:08:40. > :08:46.those who come to do violence? As someone who was in Bordeaux over
:08:47. > :08:49.the weekend will she congratulate the Welsh fans on their fantastic
:08:50. > :08:51.behaviour because she didn't in her previous question
:08:52. > :08:53.in this debate? As a season supporter I am
:08:54. > :08:55.concerned, like the member for Cardiff West, about what is
:08:56. > :08:58.going to happen in next 48 hours when the Welsh find themselves
:08:59. > :09:00.in the toxic company of a small minority of Russian
:09:01. > :09:03.and English football hooligans. The Welsh FA has advised the fans
:09:04. > :09:06.not to travel to Lens without a ticket and not to stay
:09:07. > :09:09.in Lille as has the UK Government. Will she call on the English FA
:09:10. > :09:12.to make a similar statement and to start taking responsibility
:09:13. > :09:15.for the actions of a small minority I am very happy to join
:09:16. > :09:20.the honourable gentleman and my right honourable friend
:09:21. > :09:24.and others in appraising those Welsh fans who behaved perfectly properly
:09:25. > :09:27.at the opening match Doping in sport has become
:09:28. > :09:34.so widespread that amateurs are finding it very hard to excel
:09:35. > :09:38.without medical help. That was the claim made
:09:39. > :09:40.at a session of the Culture, Media and Sport committee,
:09:41. > :09:42.which is looking into It heard from an amateur cyclist
:09:43. > :09:51.Dan Stevens who was banned for 21 months two years ago for refusing
:09:52. > :09:54.an out-of-competition drugs test. He said he was offered
:09:55. > :09:55.performance-enhancing drugs by his doctor,
:09:56. > :09:57.while being treated for What started with an understanding
:09:58. > :10:10.that it was for a genuine medical And I felt very much that the doctor
:10:11. > :10:14.was trying to manipulate me into using stronger substances
:10:15. > :10:16.by telling me that other athletes were using it
:10:17. > :10:18.and it was common practice. He compared your performance
:10:19. > :10:23.to other athletes? He compared your performance
:10:24. > :10:26.to what it could be if you took these
:10:27. > :10:28.additional substances? Did you notice it had
:10:29. > :10:31.an effect on you? That was in line with
:10:32. > :10:36.what was predicted, was it? And he measured performance
:10:37. > :10:41.improvements or you saw them I train with power so all of my
:10:42. > :10:49.training files were based on power. And if you train with power
:10:50. > :10:52.and you are measuring watts, power output in watts,
:10:53. > :11:03.it is quite easy to see the gains. After being called
:11:04. > :11:05.for a drugs test, Mr Stevens asked for a meeting
:11:06. > :11:07.with UK Anti-doping. Providing them with valuable
:11:08. > :11:09.information would have earned him But he said it wasn't easy
:11:10. > :11:13.to pass his information on - and when he did, there wasn't
:11:14. > :11:21.the interest he was expecting. I gave Graham Arthur,
:11:22. > :11:23.head of legal, copies Human growth hormone,
:11:24. > :11:27.for EPO, testosterone, that could have been
:11:28. > :11:30.prescribed in any British And his respons was that is
:11:31. > :11:37.of little or no use. Mr Stevens decided to approach
:11:38. > :11:56.the Sunday Times. We decided to send a young athlete
:11:57. > :11:59.under cover into Dr Bonar's surgery. By then he had moved
:12:00. > :12:02.to a clinic in Kensington. He had previously had
:12:03. > :12:04.a clinic on Harley Street, And we gave the athlete
:12:05. > :12:08.a similar story to Dan, basically he was tired,
:12:09. > :12:10.not recovering from his training, and it was probably
:12:11. > :12:14.within about five minutes of the athlete being in there that
:12:15. > :12:22.Dr Bonar started to talk about the fact that he could offer
:12:23. > :12:25.performance enhancing drugs, and how he had used them on other athletes,
:12:26. > :12:29.and there was a risk involved because you might get caught
:12:30. > :12:32.by the testers but if you use micro doses then you probably wouldn't get
:12:33. > :12:45.caught as long as you were doing where he believed drugs-cheating
:12:46. > :12:47.would be taking place. But rather than turning up
:12:48. > :12:49.unexpectedly, the organisation had tweeted about their intention to be
:12:50. > :12:51.there a few days before. The chair of UK Anti-Doping said
:12:52. > :13:03.it was all part of a strategy. We put out a tweet after the lists
:13:04. > :13:06.had closed for that event. And we see who doesn't turn up
:13:07. > :13:09.because that is giving us good intelligence as to
:13:10. > :13:11.who might be doping. Rather than go in and do blind tests
:13:12. > :13:20.because they are expensive. They have some use but I would far
:13:21. > :13:23.rather be catching the people What we do is to wait
:13:24. > :13:28.until the list closes, the tweet goes out that dopers
:13:29. > :13:31.are likely to be there, and then we look and see
:13:32. > :13:36.who actually dropped out. But the MPs were unimpressed,
:13:37. > :13:39.saying there had been a failure You're watching our round-up of the
:13:40. > :13:45.day in the Commons and the Lords. How would the people of Gibraltar
:13:46. > :13:55.fare if Britain left the EU? What will be the state of employment
:13:56. > :13:59.rights if the UK votes to leave Most Labour MPs are fearful that
:14:00. > :14:04.a British exit could lead to less But the Justice Secretary Michael
:14:05. > :14:09.Gove, a Leave campaigner, says there's nothing to fear
:14:10. > :14:11.from an exit. At Question Time Labour's
:14:12. > :14:13.Shadow Justice Minister Mr Slaughter then squared up
:14:14. > :14:24.to the Justice Secretary. He is right to recognise human
:14:25. > :14:28.rights and our membership of the EU are linked. But we think it is a
:14:29. > :14:33.good thing and he thinks it is bad. Is the choice on Thursday week not
:14:34. > :14:38.between working with neighbours to strengthen the rule of law and his
:14:39. > :14:43.recipe for bleak isolation, which has him, in the words of Lord
:14:44. > :14:50.Heseltine, marching to the drum of Nigel Farage, Donald Trump and Marie
:14:51. > :14:55.Le Pen? I entirely understand why he makes the case in the way he does
:14:56. > :15:00.and he does so with great force and fluency as always. One thing I would
:15:01. > :15:04.say is whatever the decision of the British people on the 23rd of June,
:15:05. > :15:09.I have confidence in them to make sure workers' rights and human
:15:10. > :15:11.rights, friendly cooperation and the principle of decency and fair
:15:12. > :15:17.treatment for all will be preserved come what may. I have ultimate
:15:18. > :15:21.confidence in the British people and their elected representatives to
:15:22. > :15:26.defend democracy and safeguard the decent values. I would not for one
:15:27. > :15:31.moment suggest, not for one moment, that anybody advocating a Remain
:15:32. > :15:36.vote or Ray Vote Leave vote is anyone other than somebody wanting
:15:37. > :15:38.to uphold democracy and the rights we have all inherited.
:15:39. > :15:42.Well, still with the referendum debate, a Commons committee has been
:15:43. > :15:44.getting the views of business representatives, who are on either
:15:45. > :15:48.The session first focussed on the pros and cons of the two
:15:49. > :15:50.possibilities next Thursday, either victory for Leave
:15:51. > :16:02.What are the costs and benefits to British businesses
:16:03. > :16:04.I think the huge benefit is membership
:16:05. > :16:07.of the single market, which they see as a British invention,
:16:08. > :16:09.they see it is not just eliminating tariffs
:16:10. > :16:12.across 28 countries, but eliminating rules
:16:13. > :16:20.and regulations for one set right across goods, partly the
:16:21. > :16:23.services, and now the prospect of extending it for all services.
:16:24. > :16:27.It is a big prize which business has been
:16:28. > :16:31.At the core of it it is about jobs, it is
:16:32. > :16:34.about lower prices and when you see a company like EasyJet, which
:16:35. > :16:39.literally says it would not exist if it were not for the membership of
:16:40. > :16:40.the single market because of open skies,
:16:41. > :16:43.there is no other area in the
:16:44. > :16:51.world that has the open skies policy that the European Union has.
:16:52. > :16:54.That is why they want to be part of it and
:16:55. > :16:58.When you see a percentage of 75, that is part of
:16:59. > :17:01.In my time with British Chambers, there was an
:17:02. > :17:08.export outside the European Union and it was said to me that I believe
:17:09. > :17:10.the EU less good for the world market
:17:11. > :17:12.and I want to get rid of the
:17:13. > :17:14.burden because it has no benefit for me.
:17:15. > :17:22.One is net contribution, ?10 billion year which
:17:23. > :17:33.could otherwise be used for stimulating economic growth.
:17:34. > :17:36.Whether it is actually investing in goods and
:17:37. > :17:38.services, infrastructure, directly, still
:17:39. > :17:46.STUDIO: Then he talked about the silent majority.
:17:47. > :17:48.And there would be a benefit for domestic business in
:17:49. > :17:52.Traders, tradesmen and so on are facing, edition from
:17:53. > :17:56.When you have got just over 1 million people with national
:17:57. > :17:59.insurance numbers who are temporarily here, but operating and
:18:00. > :18:01.sending money home, trading against a decorator or a plumber it
:18:02. > :18:03.drives them out of business because they
:18:04. > :18:15.STUDIO: He said the UK was moving to a low skill and low-wage economy.
:18:16. > :18:17.We have actually looked at that and we
:18:18. > :18:19.can't resolve that problem while we are members
:18:20. > :18:21.of the European Union because we have no control over
:18:22. > :18:27.The idea of having an Australian points
:18:28. > :18:29.system, which people know has more migration per head
:18:30. > :18:32.than we do here, it will just create another regulatory burden for
:18:33. > :18:46.The MPs heard from exporters. First, those wanting to remain in the EU.
:18:47. > :18:48.Airbuses in particular, the regular to regroup, we have
:18:49. > :18:52.worked with a similar set of standards and a single set of
:18:53. > :18:55.regulations and of the single market is fundamental to how we operate.
:18:56. > :18:57.We make use of the free movement of labour,
:18:58. > :18:58.of goods, resources and
:18:59. > :19:00.capital and intellectual property of ideas.
:19:01. > :19:05.We have a very integrated business between the Home Nations of
:19:06. > :19:07.France, Germany, Spain and the UK in particular.
:19:08. > :19:10.And so that is how we live and breathe.
:19:11. > :19:13.What do you think it will look like for your business
:19:14. > :19:18.I am concerned because we will have higher
:19:19. > :19:33.Do we pass that on to our buyers in Europe or do we
:19:34. > :19:35.absorb it, hitting us or increase the costs for the buyers
:19:36. > :19:37.and therefore become less competitive, again hitting the
:19:38. > :19:42.I am convinced of the net effect is going to be negative.
:19:43. > :19:46.One person described how the high-tech waste reclamation firm she
:19:47. > :19:53.was part of lost millions of pounds. The Netherlands interpreted the same
:19:54. > :19:57.directive to a lower standard and allows their process
:19:58. > :19:59.to undercut ours. We have just written off
:20:00. > :20:02.a ?2 million investment in the past We have made nine
:20:03. > :20:05.skilled jobs redundant. In one hand it drowns us in
:20:06. > :20:15.regulation and in the other nobody pays any attention to
:20:16. > :20:17.the regulation apart from us. I beg the question,
:20:18. > :20:19.what is the point in having the We know there is big
:20:20. > :20:22.opportunities in But the deals that
:20:23. > :20:28.exist or do not at the moment, there is round about 80%
:20:29. > :20:31.duty on products which make us The idea of having a trade
:20:32. > :20:36.deal with South America, along with many other countries
:20:37. > :20:39.outside the European Union would be If you want to improve
:20:40. > :20:52.and reach targets, knock down the Hadrian's Wall
:20:53. > :20:55.which is protecting inward looking You step out with us
:20:56. > :21:00.and support us by getting us those trade deals and we
:21:01. > :21:02.will deliver for you. directly with you rather than having
:21:03. > :21:07.to collaborate with an anonymous EU For Airbus, a British exit increased
:21:08. > :21:18.uncertainty. The risk of the
:21:19. > :21:27.investment not coming here goes up and it is my job
:21:28. > :21:30.and certainly I look government to help us make the UK
:21:31. > :21:36.and operation as attractive as possible to attract inward
:21:37. > :21:38.investment, attract that global capital which is mobile,
:21:39. > :21:40.which can go anywhere, The EU helps to make UK operations
:21:41. > :21:47.a more attractive place to invest. Now, what would happen to Britain's
:21:48. > :21:51.territories overseas, such as Gibraltar and the Falklands,
:21:52. > :21:53.if the UK left the EU? Since Spain joined the European
:21:54. > :21:59.Community in 1986, Gibraltarians have had the right
:22:00. > :22:02.to move freely to Spain. So would the border be closed again
:22:03. > :22:09.if Britain was no longer in the EU? One of the issues raised
:22:10. > :22:15.at Lords Question Time. The Falklands representative in
:22:16. > :22:19.the United Kingdom said leaving the European Union would fuel
:22:20. > :22:28.Argentinian aggression towards us. The Chief Minister of Gibraltar said
:22:29. > :22:31.a vote to leave the EU would be There are similar
:22:32. > :22:34.expressions of support for our membership from the Prime
:22:35. > :22:36.Ministers of Australia, Canada, Given this, why hasn't
:22:37. > :22:44.the Government not trumpeted this clear and apparently
:22:45. > :22:46.unambiguous view by Commonwealth countries and allowed Nigel Farage,
:22:47. > :22:49.for example, to get away with claiming that he is
:22:50. > :22:59.a Commonwealth man? The government has noted that
:23:00. > :23:02.on each occasion when these people how important it is for their
:23:03. > :23:09.country that the UK remains within the EU, they have
:23:10. > :23:13.based their views on facts. Would my noble friend agree that
:23:14. > :23:16.whatever happens on the 23rd of June, the EU
:23:17. > :23:20.and the Commonwealth are completely different structures
:23:21. > :23:26.and organisations from each other? The EU is basically a hierarchy
:23:27. > :23:30.of governments, whereas the Commonwealth is
:23:31. > :23:34.a network of peoples. Would she agree that probably
:23:35. > :23:37.the most sensible and clever thing we should try and do in this nation
:23:38. > :23:42.is ride both horses? I declare my interest as a former
:23:43. > :23:45.Gibraltar governor. May I ask this, does
:23:46. > :23:48.she not agree that Gibraltar has gained enormously
:23:49. > :23:51.from the economic point of view, as have the Spanish from unfettered
:23:52. > :23:53.access to the single market over
:23:54. > :23:58.the last few decades? Secondly, would she bear in mind
:23:59. > :24:02.the current Spanish Foreign Minister has said that
:24:03. > :24:05.although they would like the United Kingdom to stay in the EU,
:24:06. > :24:10.in the event of Brexit, close the frontier with Gibraltar
:24:11. > :24:16.and revive the original proposal to join sovereignty over Gibraltar,
:24:17. > :24:19.which was overwhelmingly opposed by Can she say in what way
:24:20. > :24:24.the British government will support Gibraltar
:24:25. > :24:32.in the event of Brexit? The UK has made a commitment
:24:33. > :24:35.to defend and support The UK has made a commitment
:24:36. > :24:45.to defend and support Gibraltar's interest, including
:24:46. > :24:46.upholding sovereignty. The men and women of
:24:47. > :24:48.the British Armed Forces have worked tirelessly to do so before
:24:49. > :24:51.the Referendum and we will But the noble lord
:24:52. > :24:54.rings a warning bell. Given the EU's uselessness
:24:55. > :24:56.at signing free trade agreements on our behalf,
:24:57. > :24:58.would not one obvious advantage of Brexit be that as the world's
:24:59. > :25:00.fifth biggest economy, we could sign our own
:25:01. > :25:02.free-trade deals with the Commonwealth and the
:25:03. > :25:07.markets of the future? How many more jobs would that create
:25:08. > :25:21.for us and them? Is it not clear that it is in
:25:22. > :25:24.the interest of Commonwealth countries that they have direct
:25:25. > :25:26.access to the senior member of the Commonwealth who are
:25:27. > :25:29.part of the European Union, from a trade body view, from the point
:25:30. > :25:32.of view of those people from the Commonwealth coming here to work
:25:33. > :25:35.at it is in the interest of the Commonwealth themselves we remain
:25:36. > :25:38.part of the European Union? One more day to go before both MPs
:25:39. > :25:42.and peers leave Westminster for a week's work on the EU
:25:43. > :25:44.Referendum campaign trail. Some of them campaigning for Leave,
:25:45. > :25:47.plenty campaigning for Remain. So do join me for the
:25:48. > :25:49.next daily round-up. Until then, from me,
:25:50. > :25:52.Keith Macdougall, goodbye.