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:00:13. > :00:14.Hello there and welcome to Tuesday In Parliament

:00:15. > :00:16.as Westminster, Holyrood and Brussels continue to come

:00:17. > :00:19.to terms with the UK's vote to leave the EU.

:00:20. > :00:31.A defiant Nigel Farage tells MEPs Brexit is not the end of the story.

:00:32. > :00:37.I will make one prediction this morning, the United Kingdom will not

:00:38. > :00:41.be the last member states to leave the European Union!

:00:42. > :00:42.But Scotland's First Minister says she's profoundly

:00:43. > :00:49.It is my responsibility to ensure that Scotland's voice is heard in

:00:50. > :00:54.And in the Lords, peers wonder what the result will mean for UK

:00:55. > :00:57.pensioners living overseas and foreign nationals living here.

:00:58. > :01:03.People who have lived in this country for 20 years, like my

:01:04. > :01:04.husband, who work up Friday morning thinking his country had rejected

:01:05. > :01:07.him. There are long term opportunities

:01:08. > :01:09.for businesses outside That was the message

:01:10. > :01:14.from the Business Secretary, Sajid Javid, at question

:01:15. > :01:20.time in the Commons. Speaking to MPs for the first time

:01:21. > :01:24.since the UK voted to leave the EU, Mr Javid accepted there were some

:01:25. > :01:26."short-term challenges" The Business Secretary is thought

:01:27. > :01:29.to be considering standing for the leadership of

:01:30. > :01:31.the Conservative Party following the vote and David Cameron's

:01:32. > :01:33.decision to resign as Prime Despite the Secretary

:01:34. > :01:37.of State's complacency, this is a very difficult time

:01:38. > :01:42.for British business. Over the last 24 hours,

:01:43. > :01:45.we've lost our AAA rating and seen ?150 billion wiped off the value

:01:46. > :01:50.of the FTSE 350. So, can he reassure the many worried

:01:51. > :01:53.workers and businesses that unlike with Tata,

:01:54. > :01:55.when he was on the other side of the planet, he will be

:01:56. > :02:00.in the boardrooms of Nissan in Sutton and Hitachi

:02:01. > :02:08.in Newton Aycliffe, Jaguar Land Rover in Solihull

:02:09. > :02:10.and across the country, sharing with them his plan

:02:11. > :02:13.for secure, economic exit as they make their investment

:02:14. > :02:16.decisions in the weeks Mr Speaker, first of all,

:02:17. > :02:24.I was hoping to welcome the Honourable Lady

:02:25. > :02:26.as the new Shadow Business Secretary but I understand that she is not

:02:27. > :02:30.in that position yet. If her leader is having problems

:02:31. > :02:33.filling that position, I'd be happy I can assure the honourable lady,

:02:34. > :02:39.yes, because of last week's decision yes, of course there are some

:02:40. > :02:43.short-term challenges for businesses but we must also remember

:02:44. > :02:46.that there are medium term and long term opportunities for

:02:47. > :02:48.business as well and that Mr Speaker, it is clear that not

:02:49. > :02:53.only does he not have a plan, he doesn't even have a plan

:02:54. > :02:55.to have a plan. He can't say whether he personally

:02:56. > :02:58.wants to retain access to the single Isn't the truth that the only plan

:02:59. > :03:08.the Secretary of State has is for his joint leadership bid

:03:09. > :03:12.and British businesses and jobs stand to lose from the economic

:03:13. > :03:15.uncertainty his party's I was hoping the honourable lady

:03:16. > :03:20.would not play party politics with something as

:03:21. > :03:26.straightforward as this. There are many businesses up

:03:27. > :03:29.and down the country that are reflecting on last week's

:03:30. > :03:35.decision and my job is to reassure them that this decision

:03:36. > :03:37.can be made to work, There are plenty of

:03:38. > :03:42.opportunities and when I meet with businesses later

:03:43. > :03:45.this afternoon, that is exactly the message

:03:46. > :03:56.I will be giving to them. Ah, splendid, the robust chair

:03:57. > :03:58.of the select committee, Mr Speaker, I think

:03:59. > :04:02.that is the kindest thing anyone Mr Speaker, the Secretary of State

:04:03. > :04:06.fully appreciates that uncertainty lasting months and years

:04:07. > :04:08.are draining business In the Business Select Committee

:04:09. > :04:12.this morning, Funding Circle told us that a ?100 million investment deal

:04:13. > :04:15.with the European consortium Today's roundtable is a welcome

:04:16. > :04:25.gesture, but in the face of this unprecedented uncertainty

:04:26. > :04:32.that is happening now, what tangible actions

:04:33. > :04:33.is the Secretary of State putting in place now to maintain

:04:34. > :04:35.and stimulate inward investment, to maintain that funding gap

:04:36. > :04:38.and to steady business nerves? Mr Speaker, it is good to see

:04:39. > :04:41.that there is some leadership on business issues on the other side

:04:42. > :04:45.of the House, still. The honourable gentleman makes

:04:46. > :04:48.a very important point and this roundtable we have today,

:04:49. > :04:50.it is not a gesture. It is genuinely listening

:04:51. > :04:57.to businesses, real businessmen and women about the issues

:04:58. > :05:00.that they face, and also, to listen to them about the opportunities

:05:01. > :05:02.that will be created, to take advantage of those

:05:03. > :05:04.opportunities as well. He will know that nothing changes

:05:05. > :05:07.for at least a couple of years and that will give us time

:05:08. > :05:10.to plan for the future, including inward investment

:05:11. > :05:12.opportunities and new trade opportunities, and I would be happy

:05:13. > :05:14.to meet with him and I commend the ministers

:05:15. > :05:17.on the Treasury bench for their pragmatic approach

:05:18. > :05:19.to the result last week. I think we are all committed

:05:20. > :05:22.to the UK becoming an outward With that in mind, will ministers

:05:23. > :05:26.redouble their efforts to support the Australian Prime Minister,

:05:27. > :05:28.who said that he has instructed his officials to work

:05:29. > :05:31.with New Zealand to prepare a trade deal with the United

:05:32. > :05:40.Kingdom very shortly? What my right honourable friend

:05:41. > :05:43.highlights are the opportunities of Brexit and we should now start

:05:44. > :05:45.embracing this opportunity, free trade agreements with many more

:05:46. > :05:51.countries is just one of those. Australia is an excellent example

:05:52. > :05:54.and that is exactly the thing But while eurosceptic MPs

:05:55. > :05:59.were looking at the opportunities that life outside the EU might

:06:00. > :06:01.present, the view from the First Minister in Scotland

:06:02. > :06:05.was very different. Nicola Sturgeon told MSPs

:06:06. > :06:07.at Holyrood that she was preparing to travel to Brussels for talks,

:06:08. > :06:10.stressing that she was "utterly determined" to protect Scotland's

:06:11. > :06:15.relationship with Europe. In a statement, she said she'd set

:06:16. > :06:18.up a "standing council" of experts to provide her with advice

:06:19. > :06:22.following the vote. Electors in Scotland,

:06:23. > :06:27.Northern Ireland and London voted to remain in the EU,

:06:28. > :06:29.but overall, the UK voted Presiding Officer, I believe

:06:30. > :06:38.we have made a good start. Our early priority has been

:06:39. > :06:41.to ensure that there is a widespread awareness across Europe

:06:42. > :06:45.of Scotland's different choice in the referendum and

:06:46. > :06:47.of our aspiration to stay We will intensify this work in

:06:48. > :06:53.the days and weeks that lie ahead. It is my responsibility to ensure

:06:54. > :06:56.that Scotland's voice is heard She moved on to what the vote meant

:06:57. > :07:02.for a possible second independence Nicola Sturgeon said things had

:07:03. > :07:09.changed since the 2014 vote. During the independence referendum,

:07:10. > :07:12.we were told that staying in the UK meant we could benefit from having

:07:13. > :07:14.guaranteed access to the EU. Indeed, that was a driving factor

:07:15. > :07:17.in many people's votes. The country in the constitutional

:07:18. > :07:22.settlement that people of Scotland voted for in 2014

:07:23. > :07:28.is no longer a reality. Based on the very clear result

:07:29. > :07:31.in Scotland, if we were to be removed from the EU,

:07:32. > :07:33.it would be against That would be democratically

:07:34. > :07:39.unacceptable. It is for that reason that I have

:07:40. > :07:42.said that everything to protect our place in Europe,

:07:43. > :07:47.including a second independence referendum, and to ensure

:07:48. > :07:50.that the option of holding a referendum in the time frame of UK

:07:51. > :07:53.negotiations on leaving the EU is viable, we will prepare

:07:54. > :08:01.the legislation now. We all have people who feel

:08:02. > :08:03.disempowered and voiceless. Anger at the way power has been

:08:04. > :08:06.abused in politics and A frustration at a lack of access

:08:07. > :08:17.and barriers to social mobility. A growing sense of insecurity

:08:18. > :08:19.of families who feel These are the questions we must face

:08:20. > :08:30.up to as a country, as we reflect on this debate, and they affect

:08:31. > :08:33.all of us, no matter which part These are the questions

:08:34. > :08:36.we should be answering, not repeating the same old arguments

:08:37. > :08:38.of the past. Presiding Officer, I think we can

:08:39. > :08:41.all now agree that referendums are bruising and not just bruising,

:08:42. > :08:44.but on matters of such significance, From now on, I hope we still find

:08:45. > :08:51.time to learn the right To emerge as a stronger society,

:08:52. > :08:55.a better nation and a I struggle to put into words

:08:56. > :08:59.the anger I feel towards her An anger that has been building

:09:00. > :09:03.since David Cameron announced English votes for English laws

:09:04. > :09:05.within minutes of the Scottish An anger that grew when her party

:09:06. > :09:13.set Scottish voters against English voters in a hugely divisive

:09:14. > :09:20.and disingenuous 2015 campaign. Anger at a party that forced this EU

:09:21. > :09:24.referendum on a country that did not want it, only to resolve an ego

:09:25. > :09:32.contest in the Tory party. In Brussels, there was an emergency

:09:33. > :09:35.sitting of the European Parliament, following the UK's decision

:09:36. > :09:39.to leave the EU. The European Commission President,

:09:40. > :09:40.Jean Claude Juncker, greeted the Ukip leader and MEP

:09:41. > :09:43.Nigel Farage with an embrace and a peck on the cheek before

:09:44. > :09:49.the session got under way. MEPs will not directly participate

:09:50. > :09:51.in the exit negotiations between the UK and the remaining EU

:09:52. > :09:54.members, but will have The European Commission President,

:09:55. > :10:02.Jean-Claude Juncker, began his speech by telling MEPs

:10:03. > :10:05.that the outcome of the referendum TRANSLATION: Our British friends

:10:06. > :10:15.have expressed their view by universal suffrage and,

:10:16. > :10:17.obviously, the majority view of the British

:10:18. > :10:23.people demands respect. Democracy is democracy,

:10:24. > :10:25.we must respect it, we must respect British democracy and the way it has

:10:26. > :10:33.voiced its view. That's the last time

:10:34. > :10:43.you applaud in here! And to some extent, I am really

:10:44. > :11:01.surprised that you are here. The British people voted

:11:02. > :11:06.in favour of the exit, Mr Juncker said he wouldn't permit

:11:07. > :11:11.preliminary negotiations with the UK Government before the official

:11:12. > :11:12.withdrawal process, I have placed a ban,

:11:13. > :11:26.a presidential ban - I don't like to do that -

:11:27. > :11:30.on commissioners engaging in discussions with

:11:31. > :11:32.the British Government, regardless of whether it

:11:33. > :11:35.was Leave or Remain. I said to them all the same,

:11:36. > :11:40.that they can have no parliamentary discussions with representatives

:11:41. > :11:42.in the United Kingdom. No notification,

:11:43. > :11:44.no negotiation. It's my feeling not so much

:11:45. > :11:54.the choice that they have made that is hard because, let's say it,

:11:55. > :11:57.choice is the essence of democracy What makes it so hard for me -

:11:58. > :12:04.and I think also for the other groups and for everybody

:12:05. > :12:06.here in this House - The posters of Mr Farage

:12:07. > :12:16.showing refugees, I never thought it was possible that

:12:17. > :12:36.somebody in this House The lies on, oh, Turkey will join

:12:37. > :12:47.the union next week! Or the lies on the ?350 million that

:12:48. > :12:58.should return immediately to the National Health Service,

:12:59. > :13:00.and now does not go back It is that climate of fear that has

:13:01. > :13:06.been created, of negativity That is the most shocking thing

:13:07. > :13:12.of what happened in Britain. Not the choice of the people,

:13:13. > :13:15.because the choice of But Ukip leader Nigel

:13:16. > :13:20.Farage was defiant. You know, when I came here 17 years

:13:21. > :13:27.ago and I said that I wanted to lead a campaign to get Britain

:13:28. > :13:29.to leave the European Union, Well, I have to say,

:13:30. > :13:36.you're not laughing now, are you? The reason you're so angry has been

:13:37. > :13:43.perfectly clear from all the angry You, as a political

:13:44. > :13:50.project, are in denial. What happened last Thursday

:13:51. > :13:52.was a remarkable result. Not just for British politics,

:13:53. > :13:57.for European politics, but perhaps Because what the little people did,

:13:58. > :14:03.what the ordinary people did, what the people who have been

:14:04. > :14:08.oppressed over the last few years and seen their living standards

:14:09. > :14:12.go down, they rejected the multinationals,

:14:13. > :14:22.they rejected the merchant banks, And they said, actually,

:14:23. > :14:26.we want our country back. We want to be an independent,

:14:27. > :14:35.self-governing, normal nation. And that is what we have done,

:14:36. > :14:38.and that is what must happen. And in doing so, we now

:14:39. > :14:42.offer a beacon of hope to democrats across the rest

:14:43. > :14:46.of the European continent. I'll make one prediction this

:14:47. > :14:51.morning - the United Kingdom will not be the last member state

:14:52. > :14:54.to leave the European Union. But an SNP member felt

:14:55. > :14:59.very differently. The people of Scotland,

:15:00. > :15:01.along with the people of Northern Ireland

:15:02. > :15:03.and the people of London, and lots and lots of people in Wales

:15:04. > :15:07.and England, also voted to remain I demand that that status and that

:15:08. > :15:17.'esprit europeen' be respected. Now, colleagues, there are a lot

:15:18. > :15:19.of things to be negotiated. We will need cool

:15:20. > :15:23.heads and warm hearts. But please, remember this,

:15:24. > :15:29.Scotland did not let you down. Please, I beg you, chers

:15:30. > :15:31.collegues, do not let And that appeal earned Alyn Smith

:15:32. > :15:39.a resounding standing ovation from his fellow MEPs in the

:15:40. > :15:41.European Parliament. You're watching Tuesday In

:15:42. > :15:54.Parliament with me Alicia McCarthy. It has been somewhat overlooked

:15:55. > :15:56.with all the other activity at Westminster but in the Commons

:15:57. > :15:59.chamber, MPs have been dealing with the detail of the Finance Bill,

:16:00. > :16:02.which puts some of the measures Putting forward an amendment,

:16:03. > :16:07.Labour's Caroline Flint proposed there should be an official register

:16:08. > :16:12.requiring multi-national companies to disclose where they do business,

:16:13. > :16:14.the money they make The proposal had attracted

:16:15. > :16:20.cross-party support. Caroline Flint said the current

:16:21. > :16:25.arrangements were not transparent. Isn't there something odd

:16:26. > :16:27.about a company, let's say Google, with huge numbers of sales staff

:16:28. > :16:30.in one country but all the revenue And it wouldn't surprise us to find

:16:31. > :16:35.that the revenues are recorded in a country with a corporate tax

:16:36. > :16:39.rate of 12.5% as opposed Now, this House can take a stand

:16:40. > :16:43.against this entirely lawful but also unethical,

:16:44. > :16:47.I think we all agree, manipulation of different

:16:48. > :16:50.countries' tax rules. But the Treasury Minister

:16:51. > :16:52.said her amendment was flawed, as only companies with their HQs

:16:53. > :16:55.in the UK would need Government legal advice is that

:16:56. > :17:01.in practice, the amendment would only place a requirement on UK

:17:02. > :17:05.headquarters multinationals. Foreign headquarters

:17:06. > :17:09.of multinationals, such as Google, would not be caught at all and that

:17:10. > :17:13.undermines the transparency It also risks putting UK

:17:14. > :17:18.multinationals at a competitive disadvantage by imposing a reporting

:17:19. > :17:21.requirement that does not apply to foreign competitors

:17:22. > :17:28.operating in the same market. And in the end Caroline Flint's

:17:29. > :17:31.amendment was defeated by MPs expressed their frustration

:17:32. > :17:42.at stories of women who had been told to go without pay

:17:43. > :17:45.because they weren't wearing heels and given detailed

:17:46. > :17:48.instructions for makeup, Members of the petitons

:17:49. > :17:54.and equalities committees said they couldn't imagine the head

:17:55. > :17:58.of the IMF, Christine La Garde, taking kindly to being told

:17:59. > :18:00.she was wearing the wrong The committee heard

:18:01. > :18:06.from Nicola Thorp, who went public after being sent home

:18:07. > :18:10.for wearing flat shoes. I was sent on that particular

:18:11. > :18:12.day to a Portico site. When I turned up to their main

:18:13. > :18:19.reception I was told They gave me a dress,

:18:20. > :18:24.which was fine and then she pointed to my shoes,

:18:25. > :18:27.which were just plain, flat black ones like the ones I'm

:18:28. > :18:30.wearing today and the female supervisor said to me

:18:31. > :18:34.you can't wear those, you have to wear heels or we're

:18:35. > :18:39.going to send you home. Now, there was a male colleague

:18:40. > :18:42.stood right next to me who was wearing similarly flat,

:18:43. > :18:45.black, plain, smart shoes and I pointed out that he wasn't

:18:46. > :18:49.being sent home so I felt the reason that I was being sent home

:18:50. > :18:51.was because I was female. She said she'd encountered similar

:18:52. > :18:56.attitudes when she'd done In one of the interview sessions

:18:57. > :19:01.that I attended the woman who held the interview who was

:19:02. > :19:04.working for the agency, diminished responsibility,

:19:05. > :19:10.she would go around the room and say you need a makeover,

:19:11. > :19:13.you need a makeover, you're fine, She walked up to a black girl

:19:14. > :19:18.who was interviewing and says you can't work for me

:19:19. > :19:21.unless you have your hair Because your hair, as is,

:19:22. > :19:27.is not professional enough. Ruth Campion worked as Cabin Crew

:19:28. > :19:29.for British Airways. She was asked if the men had

:19:30. > :19:32.a similarly restrictive uniform. But all of them, they all

:19:33. > :19:34.looked immaculate. None of them were enhancing

:19:35. > :19:42.their sexuality to improve the image of the airline or the service

:19:43. > :19:47.we were providing. Did you feel unsafe being required

:19:48. > :19:50.to do what you were asked Only because my feet were in so much

:19:51. > :19:56.pain I didn't actually physically I used to sometimes queue

:19:57. > :20:05.for security, as we all queue for security at an airport

:20:06. > :20:07.when you arrive with your I would sometimes stand on the cold

:20:08. > :20:15.airport floor in my bare feet, occasionally taking my shoes off

:20:16. > :20:19.for the sheer relief of having my feet out

:20:20. > :20:22.of the high-heeled shoes for a bit. The head of the agency which had

:20:23. > :20:26.sent Nicola Thorp home said it had Firstly I would like to apologise

:20:27. > :20:35.to Nicola on behalf of myself and on behalf of Portico

:20:36. > :20:41.for causing this distress. When we learnt of this and I learned

:20:42. > :20:51.of it we very quickly took the decision to change the policy,

:20:52. > :20:55.which was outdated. In some areas of transport

:20:56. > :21:03.and tourism, in hospitality, there are lots of examples of jobs,

:21:04. > :21:06.particularly front of house, client facing jobs where women

:21:07. > :21:10.are expected to wear heels I am pleased that members

:21:11. > :21:14.of the committee have brought up an aspects like make up and short

:21:15. > :21:17.skirts and that kind It is about advising employers

:21:18. > :21:27.about what is reasonable and I think somewhere down the line that

:21:28. > :21:30.has been taken over. What has taken over is the brand

:21:31. > :21:33.image that these employees are trying to put into the market

:21:34. > :21:37.and that is the issue. I think it should be that employees

:21:38. > :21:41.should do health and safety assessments but it doesn't go do

:21:42. > :21:45.that much detail in terms I think what could come out of this

:21:46. > :21:52.is proper guidance around what is acceptable and what isn't

:21:53. > :22:06.and in terms of heels. Young women in precarious

:22:07. > :22:09.employment, whether those are agency or zero our contracts are always

:22:10. > :22:13.going to find it difficult to assert their rights and talking about

:22:14. > :22:15.changes to legislation, legislation is only as good as anyone's ability

:22:16. > :22:17.to use it. For many, it's a lifetime dream,

:22:18. > :22:21.to give up work and take up relaxing Thousands of UK citizens live

:22:22. > :22:24.overseas and many are unsure what Britain's decision to leave

:22:25. > :22:27.the EU will mean for pensioners and ex-pats

:22:28. > :22:28.living and working abroad. It was a question put

:22:29. > :22:31.by a Lib Dem Peer who declared herself to be the part owner

:22:32. > :22:43.of a French vineyard. Two years is no time to relocate

:22:44. > :22:48.your business, take your children out of school, relocate your country

:22:49. > :22:54.and buy a new home so, can the Minister tell me first of all, will

:22:55. > :23:00.this country be negotiating on a bilateral basis with each of the 27

:23:01. > :23:08.member states or will they negotiate on block and secondly could she tell

:23:09. > :23:12.me whether the new unit to be based in Whitehall that was also mentioned

:23:13. > :23:16.in yesterday's statement, will there be a member of staff in that unit

:23:17. > :23:24.with special designated responsibility for this area of

:23:25. > :23:27.work? Clearly it will be those negotiating the terms of our

:23:28. > :23:31.relationship with the European Union who will do that work with a very

:23:32. > :23:38.firm view about the importance of preserving the rights of British

:23:39. > :23:41.citizens where ever possible. Does there need to be any negotiation to

:23:42. > :23:46.protect the interests of people living, either British people living

:23:47. > :23:49.in Europe or Europeans living in the United Kingdom, because surely they

:23:50. > :23:55.are protected by an international treaty as it stands today? I'm

:23:56. > :24:01.afraid that although I know he asked that question in very good spirits I

:24:02. > :24:09.can't give him the good news he would like. There is a matter of

:24:10. > :24:13.rights which is a very complex legal matter and we would need to rely

:24:14. > :24:20.upon negotiations to give certainty to those who do you need and deserve

:24:21. > :24:27.it. On that point, it is not only markets that are extremely worried

:24:28. > :24:31.about the uncertainty. People's lives are affected here. People who

:24:32. > :24:35.have lived in this country for 20 years, like my husband, who woke up

:24:36. > :24:42.on Friday morning thinking his country had rejected him. That

:24:43. > :24:46.creates fear. We need to ensure that we respond to that fear. There is

:24:47. > :24:52.another point, British citizens, British people who live in the main

:24:53. > :24:58.land Spain in Gibraltar are going to be even more worried. We need to

:24:59. > :25:04.have clear guidance to ensure that people are not anxious, they can get

:25:05. > :25:11.on with their lives and work. I entirely agree. That will be the

:25:12. > :25:18.thrust of the work being done by the unit being set up and I will think

:25:19. > :25:21.it will be at the forefront of the minds of those who carry out

:25:22. > :25:27.negotiations later this year. With regard to Gibraltar specifically, my

:25:28. > :25:32.colleagues in the Foreign Office have been in contact, of course,

:25:33. > :25:36.throughout with the Gibraltar administration and we have given

:25:37. > :25:37.every indication of full support and we support their sovereignty. We

:25:38. > :25:40.will not let them down. And that's it for now, but do

:25:41. > :25:43.join me at the same time tomorrow when among other things we'll

:25:44. > :25:45.have the highlights from what promises to be a fascinating

:25:46. > :25:47.Prime Minister's Questions, but until then from me,

:25:48. > :25:53.Alicia McCarthy, goodbye.