:00:18. > :00:24.Hello and Welcome to Tuesdax in Parliament, our look at the best
:00:25. > :00:26.of the day in the Commons and the Lords.
:00:27. > :00:30.The Government is to "take stock" before going ahead with a sdcond
:00:31. > :00:32.stage of the inquiry into press regulation.
:00:33. > :00:37.In effect, she is today announcing a consultation
:00:38. > :00:44.on whether the cover-up shotld be covered up.
:00:45. > :00:51.Are the public hood-winked by claims and counter claims in referdndums?
:00:52. > :00:53.You're misleading them with an atrocious lie.
:00:54. > :01:03.The vote was about improving the quality of our democracx...
:01:04. > :01:06.And the moment a peer who h`ils from north of the border gave
:01:07. > :01:10.Would it be appropriate to say to these people...
:01:11. > :01:19.The Government is to hold a 10-week consultation exercise beford
:01:20. > :01:21.deciding if part two of the Leveson Inquiry
:01:22. > :01:24.into the regulation of the British press should go ahead.
:01:25. > :01:27.Part one of the inquiry by Lord Justice Leveson studied
:01:28. > :01:29.the culture and ethics of newspapers.
:01:30. > :01:37.to probe deeper into wrong-doing in the press and police.
:01:38. > :01:39.The Culture Secretary Karen Bradley also announced that the Govdrnment
:01:40. > :01:42.will consult on whether to hmplement legislation which would force
:01:43. > :01:45.newspapers to pay all of thd costs of libel or privacy actions brought
:01:46. > :01:49.against them, even if they win the case.
:01:50. > :01:52.First she talked about what had been achieved in Part 1 of
:01:53. > :02:00.Part one made numerous recommendations, all of which are
:02:01. > :02:04.being addressed by the police, her Majesty's Inspectorate of
:02:05. > :02:08.Constabulary, the Independent Police Complaints Commission, and the
:02:09. > :02:12.College of Policing, where they relate to them.
:02:13. > :02:16.Given the extent of these criminal investigations, the
:02:17. > :02:26.implementations of the recommendations from part one of the
:02:27. > :02:29.of part one, which is ?43.7 million and ?5.4
:02:30. > :02:32.Government is considering whether undertaking part two
:02:33. > :02:36.We are keen to take stock and seek the views of the
:02:37. > :02:39.public and interested partids, not least those who have bedn
:02:40. > :02:45.We are determined that a balance is struck between press
:02:46. > :02:52.freedom and the freedom of the individual.
:02:53. > :02:55.Those who are treated improperly must have redress.
:02:56. > :02:57.Likewise, politicians must not seek to muzzle
:02:58. > :02:59.the press or prevent it doing legitimate work,
:03:00. > :03:06.And the police must take seriously its role
:03:07. > :03:08.in protecting not only its reputation, but also those
:03:09. > :03:15.This is the balance we wish to strike and this
:03:16. > :03:17.consultation is the most appropriate and fairest way of doing so.
:03:18. > :03:19.I commend this statement to the House.
:03:20. > :03:30.At least I'm grateful to the Secretary of State for giving
:03:31. > :03:36.me an advance copy of her statement one hour ago.
:03:37. > :03:42.947 days after all parties reached an agreement to
:03:43. > :03:51.implement the recommendations of the inquiry in full.
:03:52. > :03:55.In effect she is today annotncing a consultation on whether
:03:56. > :04:08.And it is my view that the dvents of the past five years make Levenson
:04:09. > :04:13.Let's remind ourselves of the parents of Milly Dowler and the
:04:14. > :04:16.What is their view of these proposals?
:04:17. > :04:20.Do they think it passes the Prime Minister's test?
:04:21. > :04:22.Are we protecting the peopld who have been caught up
:04:23. > :04:40.I also believe in a free prdss and also a responsible press.
:04:41. > :04:43.Would she not agree one of the virtues of the
:04:44. > :04:45.inquiry is it took the whold issue, this whole contentious
:04:46. > :04:46.issue out of the hands of
:04:47. > :04:49.politics and by going with this consultation to which she whll
:04:50. > :04:52.respond she is in danger of embroiling a political issud again
:04:53. > :04:54.and low-cost arbitration has to be part of the solution?
:04:55. > :04:58.Does the Secretary of State understand the difficulties
:04:59. > :05:00.local newspapers face and recognises the majority of the
:05:01. > :05:01.press, especially the regional press in Scotland,
:05:02. > :05:04.was not involved in the sort of practice which prompted
:05:05. > :05:10.It is important that we must balance respect for freedom of the press and
:05:11. > :05:12.the public desire for high standards, accuracy
:05:13. > :05:24.In considering how best to proceed would she take
:05:25. > :05:26.account of the significant deterioration in the economhc
:05:27. > :05:28.health of traditional media, which has taken place even
:05:29. > :05:30.since Levenson and is still leading to the closure
:05:31. > :05:32.of titles both national and local level?
:05:33. > :05:37.Will she bear in mind the
:05:38. > :05:53.scope of legislation and regulation altogether?
:05:54. > :05:55.Do the right thing on behalf of the victims,
:05:56. > :05:59.that this House at the Housd of Lords have already passed and do
:06:00. > :06:03.What I said is we are going to consult.
:06:04. > :06:07.It is a ten week consultation, it is
:06:08. > :06:12.The Home Secretary Amber Rudd has been accused of protecting
:06:13. > :06:14.the legacy of Margaret Thatcher by rejecting an inquiry
:06:15. > :06:16.into policing at the Orgreave cokeworks in South Yorkshird,
:06:17. > :06:19.during the year-long miners' strike in 1984.
:06:20. > :06:21.The charge, from Labour's Ddnnis Skinner, came during an acrhmonious
:06:22. > :06:27.urgent question on the issud in the House of Commons.
:06:28. > :06:29.Campaigners for a public inpuiry into the so-called Battle
:06:30. > :06:36.- and they'll seek a judici`l review of the decision.
:06:37. > :06:39.Ultimately, there were no ddaths or wrongful convictions.
:06:40. > :06:41.In addition, the police landscape and
:06:42. > :06:44.the wider criminal justice system have changed fundamentally
:06:45. > :06:51.With significant changes in the oversight of policing at every
:06:52. > :06:55.level, including major reforms to criminal procedure, changes to
:06:56. > :06:58.public order policing practhce, stronger scrutiny
:06:59. > :07:03.The minister attended a positive meeting with
:07:04. > :07:12.We were left with a clear impression it
:07:13. > :07:17.was not just whether there would be an enquiry,
:07:18. > :07:20.was not just whether there would be an enquiry, it was what forl
:07:21. > :07:24.Indeed, the next day the Tiles reported on the front page
:07:25. > :07:26.Whitehall sources saying that there would be an enquhry.
:07:27. > :07:28.Did the Home Secretary or her advisors authorise
:07:29. > :07:33.In retrospect does the Minister now concede it was utterly
:07:34. > :07:36.cruel to give those campaigners false hope in that way?
:07:37. > :07:38.Yesterday we were hit with a bombshell but today,
:07:39. > :07:40.we dust ourselves down and we give notice to this government...
:07:41. > :08:03.Angry exchange followed all were blame lay in the miners strhke. --
:08:04. > :08:04.over where blame Lee. -- whdre blame should be placed.
:08:05. > :08:05.I support the Home Secretary's decision.
:08:06. > :08:07.Unlike most of the people opposite of bleating,
:08:08. > :08:09.I actually lived in South Yorkshire in a
:08:10. > :08:12.mining community at the timd of the miners' strike
:08:13. > :08:14.and saw first-hand the bullying and intimidation that went
:08:15. > :08:17.on from the miners, people who did not contribute to the strikd had
:08:18. > :08:20.They were trying to bring down the democratically elected
:08:21. > :08:22.government of the time and they lost and they need
:08:23. > :08:25.to get over, they need to get over it.
:08:26. > :08:27.Orgreave campaigners feel they have been
:08:28. > :08:29.led up the garden path by the
:08:30. > :08:40.Does the Minister understand that the Home Secretary's
:08:41. > :08:43.proposition that because thdre were no deaths, because there
:08:44. > :08:47.were no convictions and the case has only
:08:48. > :08:50.collapsed because of collushon by South Yorkshire officers was
:08:51. > :08:53.revealed, but because there were no deaths and because there were no
:08:54. > :09:00.to ministers and we will not let this issue go and that injustice
:09:01. > :09:09.Some of us did not read accounts of the
:09:10. > :09:12.miners strike from the benefits of living
:09:13. > :09:15.in London and an account in the Guardian.
:09:16. > :09:18.Some of us were there on a daily basis reporting as I was
:09:19. > :09:20.Can I completely and totally agree with
:09:21. > :09:25.the very sensible decision of the Home Secretary?
:09:26. > :09:36.If we were to have an enquiry, would my honourable
:09:37. > :09:39.friend agree that it might be for the funding
:09:40. > :09:43.youth union of Mineworkers who on an almost daily basis thrust
:09:44. > :09:45.thousands of their members into the county of
:09:46. > :09:47.Nottinghamshire not only to bring down a democratically electdd
:09:48. > :09:49.government but also to thwart the democratic
:09:50. > :09:51.decision of the miners of Nottinghamshire to work.
:09:52. > :09:53.There was a very important issue raised and it
:09:54. > :09:55.is this, the alleged political interference by the then UK
:09:56. > :10:03.If political interference from the Government took pl`ce
:10:04. > :10:06.in operational policing this would be a deeply
:10:07. > :10:09.troubling matter and one of huge constitutional significance.
:10:10. > :10:13.Did the Home Secretary give this grave
:10:14. > :10:16.accusation consideration as part of the process in leading
:10:17. > :10:23.We now know that the Thatchdr government was going to
:10:24. > :10:31.The truth is that this nasty party has now
:10:32. > :10:33.become the nasty government, that is more concerned
:10:34. > :10:34.about preserving the
:10:35. > :10:46.Thatcher legacy than it is fighting for truth and justice.
:10:47. > :10:53.I would say to the honourable gentleman that I think
:10:54. > :10:57.again actually he has interdstingly interpreted what I have been saying.
:10:58. > :11:00.What I have said very clearly is the decision about not h`ving
:11:01. > :11:06.a public enquiry is based on a look in the
:11:07. > :11:10.wider public interest, including issues such as no wrongful
:11:11. > :11:20.convictions, no deaths and importantly the change in structural
:11:21. > :11:22.behaviour partly by Labour government but also
:11:23. > :11:23.prominently by this government as well.
:11:24. > :11:25.STUDIO: The Home Office Minister, Brandon Lewis.
:11:26. > :11:28.Now, say the name Martin Luther King and you probably think of hhs famous
:11:29. > :11:32.Much less remembered about the legendary American civil
:11:33. > :11:35.rights leader is the visit he made to Britain four years later.
:11:36. > :11:38.Martin Luther King was given an honorary doctorate in civil law,
:11:39. > :11:41.In fact, Newcastle was the only British university to award
:11:42. > :11:47.Five months later, his life came to a brutal end when he was shot
:11:48. > :11:51.Dr Luther King's 1967 visit has been the subject of a brief
:11:52. > :12:03.Doctor King held people spellbound as he spoke of his struggle for
:12:04. > :12:07.racial justice and, and I qtote the three urgent and indeed great
:12:08. > :12:10.problems that we face, not only in the United States of America but
:12:11. > :12:17.That is the problems of racism, the problem
:12:18. > :12:26.Only someone like Martin Luther King could help me, help give me the
:12:27. > :12:29.inspiration to dream that I could one day be a member
:12:30. > :12:35.And when the three great problems of racism, war and
:12:36. > :12:39.poverty are still all too real for millions
:12:40. > :12:41.of people, I believe we all
:12:42. > :12:51.have a responsibility to take forward Dr King's legacy.
:12:52. > :12:57.And to mark the upcoming 50 year anniversary of the ceremony, Freedom
:12:58. > :13:02.City 2017 will be celebrated across Newcastle and Gateshdad.
:13:03. > :13:07.As he beautifully put it, when he said, it
:13:08. > :13:10.may be true that the law cannot change the heart, but it can
:13:11. > :13:17.It may be true that the law cannot make a man
:13:18. > :13:21.love me, but it can restrain him from lynching me.
:13:22. > :13:23.This is why on this side we push so much for equality
:13:24. > :13:26.legislation to move forward and continue to move forward
:13:27. > :13:43.until we have true equality in the world.
:13:44. > :13:48.greatest African Americans, Martin Luther King and his visit to
:13:49. > :13:53.Martin Luther King came to Newcastle in 1967 as the honourable l`dy said,
:13:54. > :13:55.to accept an honorary degred as a doctor of civil law.
:13:56. > :13:58.It was given to him by the University.
:13:59. > :14:05.I think with Britain we can claim to be a
:14:06. > :14:07.successful multi-ethnic, multi-faith country,
:14:08. > :14:09.and in recent years members of African and Caribbean colmunities
:14:10. > :14:12.have achieved in many different areas, in business, sport, the arts,
:14:13. > :14:20.We know in that context that we still
:14:21. > :14:30.You're watching our round-up of the day
:14:31. > :14:34.Will it be easy, or difficult, to strike new trade
:14:35. > :14:43.Now, you may just possibly have noticed, this summer's referendum
:14:44. > :14:46.on Britain's continued EU mdmbership resulted in victory for Leave.
:14:47. > :14:50.But did the Leave campaign win fairly and squarely?
:14:51. > :14:54.Some politicians take the vhew the public were being
:14:55. > :14:57.fed highly exaggerated and even false information.
:14:58. > :15:00.A committee's now looking at the lessons of the EU Referendum.
:15:01. > :15:04.At its latest session, Labour's Paul Flynn first rdcalled
:15:05. > :15:07.some of the claims made during the 2011 Referendum
:15:08. > :15:09.on whether we should have a different electoral system,
:15:10. > :15:15.the Alternative Vote, at general elections.
:15:16. > :15:19.I don't know if you were here when I mentioned the promindnt
:15:20. > :15:22.poster that I saw on Vauxhall Bridge which said that Alternative Vote
:15:23. > :15:28.would cost money therefore the Government will cut the amount
:15:29. > :15:31.of money they give to speci`l baby units in hospitals and cut
:15:32. > :15:34.the protective equipment that our soldiers in
:15:35. > :15:50.I passed this daily on my way into work.
:15:51. > :15:53.If you are referring back to the AV referendum in 2011,
:15:54. > :15:57.firstly your memory is defective, I never signed off a poster...
:15:58. > :16:08.I have got in front of me, he needs a bullet-proof vest,
:16:09. > :16:16.Suggesting that anyone voting for AV wants to imperil the lives
:16:17. > :16:20.We were inviting the voter to make a choice.
:16:21. > :16:22.I believe someone once said something about the
:16:23. > :16:25.We were inviting the voters to consider their priorities.
:16:26. > :16:28.Which would they rather mondy was spent on?
:16:29. > :16:30.You are misleading them with an atrocious lie.
:16:31. > :16:40.The vote was about improving the quality of our democracx
:16:41. > :16:48.If we take this referendum, are you happy that the publhc,
:16:49. > :16:52.they were not told that the pound was going to lose 17% of its value,
:16:53. > :16:55.but they were definitely told that there was going to be
:16:56. > :16:58.?350 million extra per week for the health service.
:16:59. > :17:13.I think I would defend everx aspect of the Vote Leave campaign.
:17:14. > :17:23.The point we were raising there was basically who controls how
:17:24. > :17:31.Should we depend on the snapshot of a vote for one day based
:17:32. > :17:34.on all kinds of wild propag`nda or should it be a decision taken
:17:35. > :17:37.by Government when it's cle`r that the results of that vote
:17:38. > :17:41.and then the Government shotld be in charge, not the snapshot
:17:42. > :17:45.I think in this case the Government is going to make the decision
:17:46. > :17:48.about Brexit and Theresa Max has been very clear that Brexit does
:17:49. > :17:53.mean Brexit so we will be leaving the European Union.
:17:54. > :17:55.So the Government is implemdnting the will of the people
:17:56. > :18:02.Isn't it right that the public when they realised the result
:18:03. > :18:05.of the vote that was taken on the 23rd of June should
:18:06. > :18:07.be subject to second thoughts when they realised
:18:08. > :18:10.I don't think that should be the case.
:18:11. > :18:14.I don't think there should be a second referendum.
:18:15. > :18:18.Can I ask Mr Norton to answer the question?
:18:19. > :18:21.Mr Flynn, your concern is that a momentous decision of this nature
:18:22. > :18:24.of such importance for blah blah blah was taken on a
:18:25. > :18:27.You were elected on a snapshot single day, sir.
:18:28. > :18:29.Do you think that your constituents should...?
:18:30. > :18:33.I was elected on a snapshot on seven days.
:18:34. > :18:39.You know you are only as good as your last...
:18:40. > :18:42.I find that much more convincing and not on the basis of untruths
:18:43. > :18:54.Can I give you an example of a lorry driver on LBC which I'm
:18:55. > :19:03.James O'Brien, the splendid James O'Brien, the lorry drhver
:19:04. > :19:06.said, I finally found the b`ckbone to admit that he changed his mind
:19:07. > :19:09.over voting to leave realishng the detrimental impact it would have
:19:10. > :19:12.on the life of his 13-year-old son and the evidence of many others
:19:13. > :19:18.Broken promises, that they had been conned by a single phrase -
:19:19. > :19:25.He then said he feels less in control of his life than ever.
:19:26. > :19:29.Isn't it right that lots of people like this lorry driver would take
:19:30. > :19:38.vote when it's clear what the disasters that
:19:39. > :19:47.There's actually evidence to suggest that more people regret vothng
:19:48. > :19:51.So actually were the referendum to be run again actually thd Leave
:19:52. > :19:58.Well, staying with matters of leaving the EU,
:19:59. > :20:01.plans appeared to suffer a setback last week
:20:02. > :20:03.when the Australian Trade Mhnister revealed he'd been given advice
:20:04. > :20:05.saying entering trade talks with Britain before Brexit
:20:06. > :20:10.The International Trade Secretary Liam Fox had intended to st`rt
:20:11. > :20:16.negotiating trade deals with states like Australia before the two-year
:20:17. > :20:19.Brexit process comes to an dnd, thought to be in 2019.
:20:20. > :20:25.The issue surfaced at question-time in the Lords.
:20:26. > :20:29.Does she believe that the process of undertaking negotiations
:20:30. > :20:35.for trading arrangements with all the other countries
:20:36. > :20:40.in the world is going to take place quickly after this country leaves
:20:41. > :20:47.the European Union and is there not a real danger of a very
:20:48. > :20:53.unsatisfactory and dangerous limbo arising in most cases
:20:54. > :20:59.and what is the Government going to do about that?
:21:00. > :21:03.My lords, we are doing absolutely everything we can to achievd
:21:04. > :21:16.The Australian Trade Ministdr told us that he would want to conclude
:21:17. > :21:19.a free trade agreement as qtickly as possible after Brexit and this
:21:20. > :21:28.Could my noble friend confirm that there is no EU free tr`de
:21:29. > :21:33.agreement with Australia, that for years they have trhed
:21:34. > :21:36.and failed to achieve one, that you don't need to have a trade
:21:37. > :21:39.agreement in order to trade, and once we have left
:21:40. > :21:42.the European Union we will be able to negotiate a trade without having
:21:43. > :21:49.Why does Germany do far mord trade with India while Germany's ` member
:21:50. > :21:53.of the EU than we do, ie the EU is not stopping us,
:21:54. > :21:59.and isn't it true that the DU leave us open markets with the clout of 27
:22:00. > :22:07.members which is greater than the clout of one member?
:22:08. > :22:11.All I can say is that the UK remains committed to being a world
:22:12. > :22:20.Will my noble friend tell md what estimate she has made
:22:21. > :22:24.of the additional trade which would be available in value
:22:25. > :22:31.to the United Kingdom by a free trade agreement or agreement under
:22:32. > :22:35.special arrangement with of Australia that is not now
:22:36. > :22:37.available to us as a member of the world's largest tradhng
:22:38. > :22:49.I do not have figures of what might happen.
:22:50. > :22:53.All I can say is that we have about ?10 billion worth of trade
:22:54. > :22:58.in goods and services currently with Australia.
:22:59. > :23:02.We are in the fortunate poshtion of having the same legal system
:23:03. > :23:07.the same language, the same, you know, culture and
:23:08. > :23:17.And so these are all positives towards actually negotiating a free
:23:18. > :23:21.trade agreement to further dnhance what we already have.
:23:22. > :23:25.My lords, can the noble lord the Minister, the noble ladx
:23:26. > :23:28.the Minister, confirm that there is nothing to inhibit
:23:29. > :23:32.discussions and indeed agredments on memorandum of understandhng over
:23:33. > :23:38.trade even while we are a mdmber of the European Union,
:23:39. > :23:41.and that those memoranda of understanding might well
:23:42. > :23:46.form the basis for trade agreements after we leave?
:23:47. > :23:49.I absolutely agree with the noble lady.
:23:50. > :23:53.Could it be by some quite unimaginable stretch
:23:54. > :23:58.of the imagination that those noble lords who keep moaning about Brexit
:23:59. > :24:01.are trying to justify the dhre warnings about what would
:24:02. > :24:14.And as the Minister and I come from the fair city of Glasgow
:24:15. > :24:17.would it be appropriate to say to these people,
:24:18. > :24:30.Yes, well, I think my noble lord has taken the words
:24:31. > :24:36.Now, could these creatures soon be in great demand
:24:37. > :24:43.Eagles are being employed bx police in Holland to tackle illegal drones.
:24:44. > :24:45.A number of tests have been conducted since January.
:24:46. > :24:49.Police in Holland say the bhrds are not in any danger.
:24:50. > :24:53.So could police soon be announcing not so much the eagle has l`nded
:24:54. > :24:57.The prospect was raised at Justice Question
:24:58. > :25:05.Can smuggling into prisons by drones be stopped?
:25:06. > :25:17.The new threat by drones is a game changer,
:25:18. > :25:19.not just for prisons but for other parts of Government.
:25:20. > :25:22.That is why I am working with ministers
:25:23. > :25:23.across the Government to engage with several
:25:24. > :25:26.manufacturers to find a
:25:27. > :25:31.I am keeping a close eye on what is happening intern`tionally
:25:32. > :25:33.particularly in Holland where they are using
:25:34. > :25:34.eagles to stop drones and
:25:35. > :25:37.I am sure, Mr Speaker, we will find a solution
:25:38. > :25:41.Sam Gyimah with just about the worst pun of the day.
:25:42. > :25:44.Do join me for our next daily round-up.
:25:45. > :25:54.Until then, from me, Keith Macdougall, goodbye.