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0:00:18 > 0:00:19Hello and welcome to Tuesday in Parliament.

0:00:19 > 0:00:24Coming up in the next half hour:

0:00:24 > 0:00:28As Theresa May sets out her Brexit plans, in the Commons MPs are told

0:00:28 > 0:00:31both houses will have a vote on the final deal.

0:00:31 > 0:00:33The Northern Ireland Secretary calls for a respectful election

0:00:33 > 0:00:37following the breakdown of the Stormont Assembly.

0:00:37 > 0:00:41And is it time for an overhaul of business rates?

0:00:41 > 0:00:42When you look at High Streets around

0:00:42 > 0:00:45the country, they are full of charity shops, estate agents

0:00:45 > 0:00:50and the odd coffee shops.

0:00:50 > 0:00:52But first, the Prime Minister has confirmed that the UK will leave

0:00:52 > 0:00:56the European Union's Single Market as a result of Brexit.

0:00:56 > 0:00:59Theresa May made the announcement during her first major speech

0:00:59 > 0:01:03outlining her strategy for taking Britain out of the EU.

0:01:03 > 0:01:05Mrs May said she wanted to build a stronger Britain

0:01:05 > 0:01:09in charge of its own laws, in control of immigration

0:01:09 > 0:01:12and pursuing free trade and she warned Europe's leaders

0:01:12 > 0:01:18that no deal for Britain was better than a bad deal.

0:01:18 > 0:01:21In the Commons, the Brexit Secretary set out the proposals to MPs.

0:01:21 > 0:01:24It's a plan to build a strong, new partnership with our European

0:01:24 > 0:01:27partners while reaching beyond the borders of Europe

0:01:27 > 0:01:29as well, forging deeper links with old allies and new

0:01:29 > 0:01:33ones.

0:01:33 > 0:01:39Today we set out 12 objectives for negotiation to come.

0:01:39 > 0:01:42They answer the questions of those who ask what we intend while not

0:01:42 > 0:01:46undermining the UK's negotiating position,

0:01:46 > 0:01:49we're clear what we seek is new partnership not a partial

0:01:49 > 0:01:52EU membership - not a model adopted by other countries,

0:01:52 > 0:01:56not a position that means half in and half out.

0:01:56 > 0:01:59So our objectives are clear, to deliver certainty

0:01:59 > 0:02:03and clarity where we can, to control our own laws, to

0:02:03 > 0:02:06protect and strengthen the Union, to maintain the common travel area

0:02:06 > 0:02:09with the Replublic of Ireland, to control immigration,

0:02:09 > 0:02:12to protect the rights of EU nationals in the UK and UK

0:02:12 > 0:02:19nationals in the European Union, to

0:02:19 > 0:02:21protect worker's rights, to allow free trade with the EU markets,

0:02:21 > 0:02:23to forge new trade deals with other

0:02:23 > 0:02:24countries, to boost science and innovation,

0:02:24 > 0:02:26to protect and enhance cooperation over crime,

0:02:26 > 0:02:27terrorism and security,

0:02:27 > 0:02:30to make our exit smooth and orderly.

0:02:30 > 0:02:32It is the outline of an ambitious new

0:02:32 > 0:02:36partnership between UK and the countries of the European Union.

0:02:36 > 0:02:39We are under no illusions, agreeing terms which

0:02:39 > 0:02:43works for both the UK and the 27 nations of the EU will be

0:02:43 > 0:02:45challenging and no doubt there will be bumps

0:02:45 > 0:02:51on the road once talks begin.

0:02:51 > 0:02:53We must embark on negotiation clear however that no

0:02:53 > 0:02:56deal is better than a bad deal.

0:02:56 > 0:02:58The Prime Minister knows setting out ambitions

0:02:58 > 0:03:03is the easy bit, delivery is more difficult, much more difficult.

0:03:03 > 0:03:06The Prime Minister has taken a precarious course of taking the UK

0:03:06 > 0:03:09out of single market membership and changing

0:03:09 > 0:03:13the customs arrangements.

0:03:13 > 0:03:16This will cause concern to businesses as the Secretary of State

0:03:16 > 0:03:19knows and to trade unions and the Prime Minister should have

0:03:19 > 0:03:20been more ambitious.

0:03:20 > 0:03:22I think we should loyally support the government.

0:03:22 > 0:03:27Hear, hear.

0:03:27 > 0:03:35Will the Secretary of State confirm this, that insisting on patrolling

0:03:35 > 0:03:37our own borders and insisting on doing

0:03:37 > 0:03:39international trade deals is

0:03:39 > 0:03:41inconsistent, not just with membership

0:03:41 > 0:03:43of the EU but also the

0:03:43 > 0:03:48customs union and the single market?

0:03:48 > 0:03:52So I agree, after the speech today, it is not hard Brexit, it is full

0:03:52 > 0:03:53Brexit.

0:03:53 > 0:03:55The Prime Minister made a welcome commitment in the first

0:03:55 > 0:03:57part of her speech to enhance and protect

0:03:57 > 0:03:59workers' rights but at the

0:03:59 > 0:04:02end was threatening to take them away and to undercut the rest of

0:04:02 > 0:04:06Europe and rip up the British economic model if we don't get what

0:04:06 > 0:04:10we want.

0:04:10 > 0:04:13Can he now withdraw that threat and be clear that Britain

0:04:13 > 0:04:17will not do that because otherwise if the government is prepared to rip

0:04:17 > 0:04:21up workers' rights as soon as a negotiation gets difficult,

0:04:21 > 0:04:23how can we trust them to ensure that the

0:04:23 > 0:04:26rest of Britain's interests are protected if the negotiations get

0:04:26 > 0:04:29difficult as well?

0:04:29 > 0:04:36I will say to her what I said to the head of the TUC,

0:04:36 > 0:04:38there is no circumstance under which we will rip up

0:04:38 > 0:04:39the workers' rights.

0:04:39 > 0:04:41My right honourable friend made clear that

0:04:41 > 0:04:42no deal is better than a

0:04:42 > 0:04:46bad deal.

0:04:46 > 0:04:49In the unlikely I'm sure event that we were likely to get a

0:04:49 > 0:04:52bad deal in the House were to vote against it,

0:04:52 > 0:04:54what would be the impact in terms of status with the European

0:04:54 > 0:04:55Union?

0:04:55 > 0:04:57The referendum last year set in motion

0:04:57 > 0:05:01a circumstance where the

0:05:01 > 0:05:03UK is going to leave the European union and it

0:05:03 > 0:05:05will not change that.

0:05:05 > 0:05:11We want to have a vote so that the House

0:05:11 > 0:05:18We want to have a vote so that the House can support the

0:05:18 > 0:05:28policy which we're quite sure they will approve of.

0:05:28 > 0:05:32What I do not understand when listening to his

0:05:32 > 0:05:35statement or listening to my right honourable friend is which country

0:05:35 > 0:05:38in the world is going to enter to trade agreement with this country

0:05:38 > 0:05:40on the basis that the rules are

0:05:40 > 0:05:43entirely what the British say they are going to be on any

0:05:43 > 0:05:45to particular day and if that is any dispute about

0:05:45 > 0:05:47the rules, it will be sorted out by the British Government.

0:05:48 > 0:05:49LAUGHTER.

0:05:49 > 0:05:51Those on that side have a very short memory.

0:05:51 > 0:05:53I can't forgive my right honourable friend.

0:05:53 > 0:05:58He did not hear

0:05:58 > 0:06:00the first point and I will answer

0:06:00 > 0:06:03like this, of course there will be disagreements and

0:06:03 > 0:06:06they will be arbitrated by an organisation we agreed

0:06:06 > 0:06:08between us, not normally the European Court of

0:06:08 > 0:06:11Justice.

0:06:11 > 0:06:14Once the UK has left the EU, there will be a 9

0:06:14 > 0:06:20billion hole in EU finances, given reduced resources wide as the

0:06:20 > 0:06:27-- why does the government believe that the EU will prioritise

0:06:27 > 0:06:29the good seating a deal

0:06:29 > 0:06:33with the UK when a more lucrative market such as the US or China?

0:06:33 > 0:06:35I'm afraid she is wrong about the lucrative market bit.

0:06:35 > 0:06:37We are the largest market for the European union.

0:06:37 > 0:06:40EU workers in Scotland contribute ?7.5 billion to the

0:06:40 > 0:06:42economy, not to mention the huge contribution they make to our social

0:06:42 > 0:06:44fabric, what will he do to protect their rights

0:06:44 > 0:06:46and Scotland's place in

0:06:46 > 0:06:48Europe as they voted for by a majority in the EU vote?

0:06:48 > 0:06:52We will not be managing the immigration or migration policy

0:06:52 > 0:06:55in a way which harms the national interest and that means not causing

0:06:55 > 0:06:58labour shortages or shortage of talent.

0:06:58 > 0:07:01That applies not just globally but to each nation state of

0:07:01 > 0:07:06the United Kingdom as well.

0:07:06 > 0:07:08The Northern Ireland Secretary James Brokenshire is hoping that

0:07:08 > 0:07:10campaigning in next month's Assembly elections do not "exacerbate

0:07:10 > 0:07:17tension and division".

0:07:17 > 0:07:19Northern Ireland is going to the polls on March the 2nd

0:07:19 > 0:07:21following the collapse of the Executive in Belfast.

0:07:21 > 0:07:23Northern Ireland's Deputy First Minister, Martin McGuinness,

0:07:23 > 0:07:25resigned last week in protest at the handling

0:07:25 > 0:07:26of a renewable energy scheme.

0:07:26 > 0:07:28That meant the First Minister,

0:07:28 > 0:07:32the Democratic Unionists' Arlene Foster, was out of a job too,

0:07:32 > 0:07:38bringing the Northern Ireland Executive to a halt.

0:07:38 > 0:07:40Elections by their nature are hotly contested.

0:07:40 > 0:07:42This is part of the essence of our democracy.

0:07:42 > 0:07:46Nobody expects the debates around the key

0:07:46 > 0:07:49issues in Northern Ireland to be anything less than robust.

0:07:49 > 0:07:52I would however like to stress the following,

0:07:52 > 0:07:55this election is about the future of Northern Ireland and

0:07:55 > 0:07:57its political institutions.

0:07:57 > 0:08:00Not just the Assembly, but all the arrangements that have

0:08:00 > 0:08:02been put in place to reflect relationships

0:08:02 > 0:08:05throughout these islands.

0:08:05 > 0:08:08That is why it will be vital for the campaign to

0:08:08 > 0:08:11be conducted respectfully and in ways that do not simply exacerbate

0:08:11 > 0:08:17tensions and division.

0:08:17 > 0:08:21I have personally been involved for almost

0:08:21 > 0:08:30three decades in Northern Ireland's issues and I have learned one thing

0:08:30 > 0:08:33that political vacuum should be avoided at all costs so I say

0:08:33 > 0:08:34this to the Secretary of

0:08:34 > 0:08:38State today, you must make sure that you are not only willing to fill

0:08:38 > 0:08:41that vacuum but work for all parties to seek a way forward so we avoid

0:08:41 > 0:08:43the nightmare scenario of six weeks of increasingly bitter campaigning

0:08:43 > 0:08:48which will leave us in the same place when it started with no

0:08:48 > 0:08:52solution in place to heal the divide and bring

0:08:52 > 0:08:54together those elected to

0:08:54 > 0:08:59represent all the people of Northern Ireland.

0:08:59 > 0:09:02Laurence Robertson has just returned from Londonderry.

0:09:02 > 0:09:08I did detect and witnessed a great sense of frustration about

0:09:08 > 0:09:11what is happening and a great sense of disappointment that the assembly

0:09:11 > 0:09:14yet again was under threat and indeed this time has fallen.

0:09:14 > 0:09:17Does the Secretary of State therefore

0:09:17 > 0:09:27agree with me and indeed the proposal made by the shadow

0:09:27 > 0:09:36secretary of State that the coming weeks should perhaps be used to

0:09:37 > 0:09:39want to say a retturn to

0:09:39 > 0:09:40direct rule?

0:09:40 > 0:09:42The DUP says Sinn Fein did not opt out

0:09:42 > 0:09:44because of the Renewable Heat Incentive scheme, or RHI.

0:09:44 > 0:09:46We are deeply disappointed, frustrated and indeed

0:09:46 > 0:09:49angry by the decision of Sinn Fein to walk away and cause the

0:09:49 > 0:09:50election.

0:09:50 > 0:09:51What is this about?

0:09:51 > 0:09:53It is not about the RHI issue because if

0:09:53 > 0:09:59it had been we could have sorted it out.

0:09:59 > 0:10:01This election serves to delay those issues being sorted out.

0:10:01 > 0:10:07It is about Sinn Fein seeking opportune

0:10:07 > 0:10:09political advantage and seeking to overturn the election results

0:10:09 > 0:10:17held just a few months ago and hoping to

0:10:17 > 0:10:19gain concessions from the government, on legacy issues,

0:10:19 > 0:10:21such as rewriting the past and putting more soldiers in the

0:10:21 > 0:10:24dock, and other concessions from the DUP.

0:10:24 > 0:10:27Let us be clear, we will work through this election and afterwards

0:10:27 > 0:10:28to create devolved government that

0:10:28 > 0:10:31is stable in Northern Ireland but let this

0:10:31 > 0:10:37House know the people of

0:10:37 > 0:10:40Northern Ireland all know that just as we have not given into Sinn Fein

0:10:40 > 0:10:43demands in the past, we will not bow down and give

0:10:43 > 0:10:45into Sinn Fein's unreasonable demands going forward

0:10:45 > 0:10:47because that is what this election is all about.

0:10:47 > 0:10:49The SDLP is urging the Northern Ireland Secretary

0:10:49 > 0:10:52to support an inquiry into the energy scheme.

0:10:52 > 0:10:55Without a public inquiry, Mr Speaker, public confidence in a

0:10:55 > 0:10:58political settlement will sink even lower

0:10:58 > 0:11:03and make restoration of the

0:11:03 > 0:11:08executive even more difficult and that is what people are telling me

0:11:08 > 0:11:11on the streets over the last few days and the last week that they

0:11:11 > 0:11:13basically need to see clarity that we're having

0:11:13 > 0:11:14an election here in a fog.

0:11:14 > 0:11:16James Brokenshire replied that the issue was critical

0:11:16 > 0:11:20in re-establishing the public's trust and confidence.

0:11:20 > 0:11:23MPs have been told that staffing is the biggest problem facing

0:11:23 > 0:11:26maternity services in England.

0:11:26 > 0:11:29The Health Committee heard that enough midwives

0:11:29 > 0:11:32are being trained but they are not necessarily being employed.

0:11:32 > 0:11:36The committee's hearing followed a report from

0:11:36 > 0:11:39the National Childbirth Trust which blamed a shortage of midwives

0:11:39 > 0:11:42for women feeling like they had been treated "like cattle".

0:11:42 > 0:11:47The NCT study of two and half thousand women found half had

0:11:47 > 0:11:51experienced a "red flag" event such as not getting timely access to pain

0:11:51 > 0:11:59relief due to a lack of staff.

0:11:59 > 0:12:01There are clearly workforce pressures on all the health

0:12:01 > 0:12:03disciplines associated with maternity care and I would add

0:12:03 > 0:12:06health visitors who are extremely important women in the postnatal

0:12:06 > 0:12:07period.

0:12:07 > 0:12:09Half of the women you surveyed experienced clinically

0:12:09 > 0:12:15unsafe care.

0:12:15 > 0:12:17Yes, we looked at the events which are defined by NICE in

0:12:18 > 0:12:22guidance as red flag events.

0:12:22 > 0:12:27They are identified as those that do in

0:12:27 > 0:12:29most cases mean there is a staffing shortage.

0:12:30 > 0:12:35In this case, mostly in midwifery.

0:12:35 > 0:12:42So it was mainly care processes that were delayed

0:12:42 > 0:12:43- including medication being given which might

0:12:43 > 0:12:48have been pain relief or

0:12:48 > 0:12:50antibiotics or other drugs needed by women which was obviously should

0:12:50 > 0:12:56have been given in a timely fashion either because the woman was in

0:12:56 > 0:13:03great pain or with antibiotics, obviously they need to be taken as a

0:13:03 > 0:13:05course and it is very important they're taken on time.

0:13:05 > 0:13:15One woman reported that the bed she had given birth

0:13:18 > 0:13:21in, she was not helped to washed or sheets changed for 12 hours

0:13:21 > 0:13:24which I imagine is really unpleasant and distressing for her and

0:13:24 > 0:13:25certainly the risk of greater infection.

0:13:25 > 0:13:27While we're training enough midwives and enough midwives

0:13:27 > 0:13:30are coming out into the system, the difficulty is that not enough of

0:13:30 > 0:13:33them are being employed.

0:13:33 > 0:13:37Although we have been seeing increases in

0:13:37 > 0:13:39midwifery numbers over the last few years, we are now seeing

0:13:40 > 0:13:45flat-lining.

0:13:45 > 0:13:47The number of midwives is actually starting to look as

0:13:47 > 0:13:55though it's reducing in our services.

0:13:55 > 0:13:58The number has been quoted around 2500 up to 6000 as a gap,

0:13:58 > 0:14:06would you support that?

0:14:06 > 0:14:08Our figure is that we are 3500 mid-range short.

0:14:08 > 0:14:09You feel it is worse?

0:14:09 > 0:14:11Yes.

0:14:11 > 0:14:12There are various issues, one is we're seeing

0:14:12 > 0:14:15a rapidly increasing number of midwives retiring from the service

0:14:15 > 0:14:21so the number of midwives now aged over 50 is very significant so

0:14:21 > 0:14:24there's a need to replace midwives when they leave and the number going

0:14:24 > 0:14:31out is pretty much equating to the number coming

0:14:31 > 0:14:34out is pretty much equating to the number coming in,

0:14:34 > 0:14:35so you are getting flat-lining.

0:14:35 > 0:14:40The National childbirth trust talks about findings from

0:14:40 > 0:14:43their recent survey that half of the women in their survey

0:14:43 > 0:14:46received clinically unsafe care because of

0:14:46 > 0:14:51staffing shortages, how do you respond to that?

0:14:51 > 0:14:55My understanding of what that assessment is is that you

0:14:55 > 0:15:04have the NICE guidelines and we have been able to be clearer than ever

0:15:04 > 0:15:13before about whether we are safe or the optimum guidelines which are set

0:15:14 > 0:15:17for the units saw a red flag which essentially

0:15:17 > 0:15:22means that the director

0:15:22 > 0:15:25of midwifery has got sight of the fact that there is a staff

0:15:25 > 0:15:28issue within a unit which is a positive because previously we did

0:15:28 > 0:15:30not have that information about the red flag People event.

0:15:30 > 0:15:32We are able to respond accordingly.

0:15:32 > 0:15:34By and large our units remain very safe places

0:15:34 > 0:15:36but that is not a position we would want to be

0:15:36 > 0:15:40but that is not a position we would want to be in the longer term and

0:15:40 > 0:15:43that is why challenging ourselves going forward about the workforce

0:15:43 > 0:15:45and having the right staff is absolutely critical.

0:15:45 > 0:15:47It is also the reason that whilst the national

0:15:47 > 0:15:50figures are very useful, we need to better understand what is driving

0:15:50 > 0:15:52local scenarios because some places are finding it hard to recruit and

0:15:52 > 0:15:56we need to understand why some places have models that are working

0:15:56 > 0:16:02and learn from some of that practice as well.

0:16:02 > 0:16:03You're watching Tuesday in Parliament,

0:16:03 > 0:16:08with me, Alicia McCarthy.

0:16:08 > 0:16:11At the same time that Theresa May was on her feet

0:16:11 > 0:16:13making her big speech, the Chancellor, Philip Hammond,

0:16:13 > 0:16:15was answering Treasury questions.

0:16:15 > 0:16:19He explained that the UK could not stay in the single market

0:16:19 > 0:16:22following Brexit because EU leaders made it clear they would not allow

0:16:22 > 0:16:25curbs on the free movement of people.

0:16:25 > 0:16:29Does my right honourable friend agree with me that the resilience

0:16:29 > 0:16:34of our economy will be best served by what the Prime Minister has said

0:16:34 > 0:16:37today, that Britain will be leaving the single market

0:16:37 > 0:16:40with no ifs and no buts?

0:16:40 > 0:16:45Well, Mr Speaker, for six months, we've kept open as many options

0:16:45 > 0:16:49as possible while we review the way forward in this negotiation

0:16:49 > 0:16:51with the European Union.

0:16:51 > 0:16:55We've heard very clearly the views and the political red lines

0:16:55 > 0:16:58expressed by other European leaders.

0:16:58 > 0:17:00We want to work with them,

0:17:00 > 0:17:03we want to recognise and respect their political red lines.

0:17:03 > 0:17:08And that is why the Prime Minister is setting out right now

0:17:08 > 0:17:14the position that she is, which is that we will go forward,

0:17:14 > 0:17:19understanding that we cannot be members of the single market

0:17:19 > 0:17:23because of the political red lines around the four freedoms

0:17:23 > 0:17:26that other European leaders have set.

0:17:26 > 0:17:28In the seven years to 2014, Scotland's trade with

0:17:28 > 0:17:31the EU rose by 20%.

0:17:31 > 0:17:36Twice the rate of growth in trade to the rest of the UK.

0:17:36 > 0:17:39Vital for a resilient economy.

0:17:39 > 0:17:43Today's hard Tory Brexit puts that at risk.

0:17:43 > 0:17:47But is this not also a kick in the teeth to many of those

0:17:47 > 0:17:50who voted leave, believing there would be an EEA/EFTA-type

0:17:50 > 0:17:56arrangement in place, to mitigate the damage done?

0:17:56 > 0:18:00Mr Speaker, I reject the honourable gentleman's analysis.

0:18:00 > 0:18:04I think what this is is engaging constructively with the real world.

0:18:04 > 0:18:09Recognising the political red lines of our European Union partners.

0:18:09 > 0:18:11If we don't recognise them, frankly,

0:18:11 > 0:18:14we are banging our heads against a brick wall.

0:18:14 > 0:18:16They have to recognise our political red lines,

0:18:16 > 0:18:17we have to recognise theirs.

0:18:17 > 0:18:20Then we have to work together to find pragmatic solutions that

0:18:20 > 0:18:23works for all the people of the UK within those red lines.

0:18:24 > 0:18:25That is what we're doing.

0:18:25 > 0:18:28What we now know from what the Prime Minister's saying now,

0:18:28 > 0:18:30she is intent on pulling up the drawbridge,

0:18:30 > 0:18:34leaving the single market and possibly the customs union.

0:18:34 > 0:18:35We will be cutting ourselves off

0:18:35 > 0:18:38from one of the largest markets on the entire planet,

0:18:38 > 0:18:40threatening jobs and public finances.

0:18:40 > 0:18:44This is not a clean Brexit, it is an extremely messy Brexit,

0:18:44 > 0:18:47with the consequences we already see in terms of the rise

0:18:47 > 0:18:50of the rate of inflation.

0:18:50 > 0:18:53Now, with real living standards squeezed by this policy

0:18:53 > 0:18:56announcement so far, isn't it time...?

0:18:56 > 0:18:59I appeal to the Chancellor, he has the opportunity then

0:18:59 > 0:19:02to reconsider his cuts to in-work benefits

0:19:02 > 0:19:07and, in the Budget in March, withdraw them in full.

0:19:07 > 0:19:08No, Mr Speaker.

0:19:08 > 0:19:12What the Prime Minister is setting up today is ambitious agenda

0:19:12 > 0:19:14for a Britain engaged with the world,

0:19:14 > 0:19:17and a Britain engaged with the European Union.

0:19:17 > 0:19:22What she's setting out is a broad-based offer for future

0:19:22 > 0:19:25collaboration in trade and investment, insecurity,

0:19:25 > 0:19:28an education, in technical and scientific collaboration,

0:19:28 > 0:19:31and many other areas.

0:19:31 > 0:19:33We want to remain engaged with the European Union,

0:19:33 > 0:19:36and I'm confident that the approach the Prime Minister is setting up

0:19:36 > 0:19:39today will allow us successfully negotiate a future relationship

0:19:39 > 0:19:44with the European Union.

0:19:44 > 0:19:46Philip Hammond.

0:19:46 > 0:19:48Well, let's stay with Brexit because later in the Commons,

0:19:48 > 0:19:51MPs debated the impact of leaving the EU on the rural economy.

0:19:51 > 0:19:54The National Farmers Union says UK farmers' contribution to the economy

0:19:54 > 0:19:56grew to almost ?10 billion in 2014.

0:19:56 > 0:20:05And that the food and farming sector as a whole is worth ?108 billion.

0:20:05 > 0:20:07The debate had been called by the SNP -

0:20:07 > 0:20:11its spokesman worried about the future.

0:20:11 > 0:20:13Under the Government's current direction of travel,

0:20:13 > 0:20:18Brexit will not be a clean break for the sheep farmers

0:20:18 > 0:20:22in my constituency, whose produce could face prohibitive tariffs

0:20:22 > 0:20:26and whose direct support payment could be wiped out.

0:20:26 > 0:20:30It will not be a clean break for the fish processors in Shetland,

0:20:30 > 0:20:33where more fish was landed

0:20:33 > 0:20:35than in the entirety of England and Wales in 2015,

0:20:35 > 0:20:38but whose access to the largest seafood market

0:20:38 > 0:20:41in the world is now under question.

0:20:41 > 0:20:44Nor will it be a clean break for the soft fruit farmer in Angus

0:20:44 > 0:20:48when the plug is pulled on the seasonal labour

0:20:48 > 0:20:50his business needs to function.

0:20:50 > 0:20:56And it will not be a clean break for the most remote Highland

0:20:56 > 0:20:58communities that are now contemplating the loss of hundreds

0:20:58 > 0:21:03of millions of pounds in European regional development funding.

0:21:03 > 0:21:06We find ourselves facing a combination, once again,

0:21:06 > 0:21:09of Tory indifference to the needs of the Scottish economy

0:21:09 > 0:21:16and a dramatic democratic deficit.

0:21:16 > 0:21:18Yes, I will give way.

0:21:18 > 0:21:20I am grateful to the honourable gentleman for giving way.

0:21:20 > 0:21:22He and his party are optimistic people,

0:21:22 > 0:21:24and rays of sunshine in this House.

0:21:24 > 0:21:27I wonder if he cannot see any possible benefit

0:21:27 > 0:21:29to the Scottish rural economy, particularly fisheries,

0:21:29 > 0:21:31the European policy of which decimated

0:21:31 > 0:21:34the Scottish fishing industry?

0:21:34 > 0:21:36I thank the honourable member.

0:21:36 > 0:21:38Actually, if you come and spend a little bit more time

0:21:38 > 0:21:41with us, you will find that we are optimists at heart.

0:21:41 > 0:21:44But what this debate is about, Madam Deputy Speaker,

0:21:44 > 0:21:47is the realities.

0:21:47 > 0:21:49Incomes falling and debts are rising.

0:21:49 > 0:21:55Incomes were down by a shocking 29% last year.

0:21:55 > 0:21:57A fifth of farmers are struggling just to pay their bills.

0:21:57 > 0:22:04The average debt for a farming business is now ?188,500.

0:22:04 > 0:22:05Too many have gone out of business altogether,

0:22:05 > 0:22:09including more than 1,000 dairy farmers in the last three years.

0:22:09 > 0:22:14So not all farmers are thriving or even surviving.

0:22:14 > 0:22:18I'm determined that we secure a deal and leaving the EU

0:22:18 > 0:22:26that works for all parts of the UK, and recognises the contribution

0:22:26 > 0:22:29that all corners of this country make to our economic success.

0:22:29 > 0:22:31Will she also make it a priority to publish proposals

0:22:31 > 0:22:34to have a British fishing industry where we can catch

0:22:34 > 0:22:39more of our own fish and protect our fishing grounds for the future?

0:22:39 > 0:22:41Well, I'm grateful to my right honourable friend.

0:22:41 > 0:22:43He makes a very good point about the potential

0:22:43 > 0:22:46for all UK fishing, and I do hope that our policies,

0:22:46 > 0:22:49when we come to them after consultation,

0:22:49 > 0:22:57will enable us to deliver exactly has he asks for.

0:22:57 > 0:22:58Andrea Leadsom.

0:22:58 > 0:23:00Finally, Ministers have faced calls for a "root-and-branch re-appraisal"

0:23:00 > 0:23:03of business rates after warnings about the impact of revaluation

0:23:03 > 0:23:05on high-street shops.

0:23:05 > 0:23:08The Communities and Local Government Minister, Lord Bourne,

0:23:08 > 0:23:11told peers business rates were based on independent valuations,

0:23:11 > 0:23:15and that most would see no change or a fall in their bills from April

0:23:15 > 0:23:18due to a revaluation.

0:23:18 > 0:23:21Business rates are based on evaluations carried

0:23:21 > 0:23:25out independently by the Valuation Office agency,

0:23:25 > 0:23:28and it is right that ministers do not intervene in that process.

0:23:28 > 0:23:31Nearly three quarters of all businesses will see no change

0:23:31 > 0:23:34or a fall in their rates will from April,

0:23:34 > 0:23:39thanks to the 2017 revaluation, with 600,000 businesses

0:23:39 > 0:23:41set to pay no business rates at all.

0:23:41 > 0:23:44Nevertheless, the core of the High Street is badly affected

0:23:44 > 0:23:49in many parts of our country.

0:23:49 > 0:23:52There was an article in Saturday's Times about Southwold.

0:23:52 > 0:23:53Not a huge place.

0:23:53 > 0:23:54The local baker's rates

0:23:54 > 0:23:59are going up from 4,000, or just over, to 14,000.

0:23:59 > 0:24:01And, against that background, will my noble friend

0:24:01 > 0:24:04look at the possibilities of revising the proposals

0:24:04 > 0:24:09where an increase is up to 15%?

0:24:09 > 0:24:13The rules at the moment suggest that there can be no appeal.

0:24:13 > 0:24:16Secondly, where there is a small reduction or any reduction,

0:24:16 > 0:24:22that reduction is paid in April, and not phased in?

0:24:22 > 0:24:25Many peers thought Lord Naseby's question had gone on too long,

0:24:25 > 0:24:27but he had one final suggestion to make.

0:24:27 > 0:24:31Finally, my Lords, is it not time for a whole

0:24:31 > 0:24:37root and branch reappraisal of this form of business?

0:24:37 > 0:24:39My Lords, most businesses, as I've indicated,

0:24:39 > 0:24:42will be seeing a fall in their business rates.

0:24:42 > 0:24:46Those that are subject to increases, of course,

0:24:46 > 0:24:49it's phased in over a period of time,

0:24:49 > 0:24:51to take just one area which my noble friend touched upon.

0:24:51 > 0:24:54That is paid for by those that are seeing a reduction

0:24:54 > 0:24:57also seeing that phased in over a period of time,

0:24:57 > 0:25:01as is required by law under the 1988 Local Government Finance Act.

0:25:01 > 0:25:04As a simple sailor, there must be something wrong when you look

0:25:04 > 0:25:07at high streets around the country - they are full of charity shops,

0:25:07 > 0:25:09estate agents and the odd coffee shop.

0:25:09 > 0:25:10They seem to be falling apart.

0:25:10 > 0:25:18There must be something wrong with what is going on.

0:25:18 > 0:25:20My Lords, I would certainly not call the noble lord

0:25:20 > 0:25:22a simple sailor for one minute.

0:25:22 > 0:25:25But, my Lords, it's true that many high streets are thriving.

0:25:25 > 0:25:26I visited many high streets that are thriving.

0:25:26 > 0:25:28In essence, my Lords, what is important is

0:25:28 > 0:25:31that we seek to protect small and medium-sized businesses.

0:25:31 > 0:25:35We've been doing that, my Lords, and that is the way forward.

0:25:35 > 0:25:36Lord Bourne.

0:25:36 > 0:25:38And that's it from me for now,

0:25:38 > 0:25:41but do join me at the same time tomorrow, when among other things,

0:25:41 > 0:25:43we'll have the highlights from Prime Minister's Questions.

0:25:43 > 0:25:45But for now from me, Alicia McCarthy, goodbye.