:00:00. > :00:20.It is time for Tuesday in Parliament.
:00:21. > :00:28.Hello there. Welcome to Tuesday in Parliament. MPs began two days of
:00:29. > :00:32.debate on the bill triggering our formal exit from the European Union.
:00:33. > :00:37.We voted to give the people a chance to determine the future referendum.
:00:38. > :00:42.Now we must fulfil our side to deliver on the result. Scottish
:00:43. > :00:45.Nationalists say they will vote against the bill. One Conservative
:00:46. > :00:51.says he will join them, rejecting the idea that exit will be good for
:00:52. > :00:59.trade. Apparently you follow the Rabbit down the hole and emerge in
:01:00. > :01:05.Wonderland. Also, are concerns about prisons falling on deaf ears? And
:01:06. > :01:10.debate about Donald Trump's ban on some was in countries entering the
:01:11. > :01:16.US. It is divisive and wrong. -- Muslim. The big Brexit debate. The
:01:17. > :01:20.first day of discussion on the bill following the process of leaving the
:01:21. > :01:24.EU. They will finish their debate and vote on Wednesday. The
:01:25. > :01:28.government was forced to bring in the bill after losing a case in The
:01:29. > :01:31.Supreme Court when the government's intention that ministers alone
:01:32. > :01:35.should be able to start the process was challenged by campaigners who
:01:36. > :01:41.said it should be a decision for Parliament. The SNP and the Lib Dems
:01:42. > :01:45.are against the legislation, but it is expected to pass because Labour
:01:46. > :01:50.MPs have been ordered to support it. The Secretary of State stepped out
:01:51. > :01:54.the government's case. -- set out the pillar it is not about whether
:01:55. > :01:57.we should leave the EU or how we should do it. It is simply about
:01:58. > :02:01.Parliament empowering the government to implement the decision already
:02:02. > :02:06.made, a point of no return already passed. We asked the people of the
:02:07. > :02:14.UK whether they want to leave. They decided they did. So the core of
:02:15. > :02:24.this ill has a very simple question. -- bill. Do we trust the people or
:02:25. > :02:27.not? Our aim is to take this decision and emerge stronger,
:02:28. > :02:32.fairer, and more united and outward looking than ever before. We have
:02:33. > :02:35.been cleared there has to be no attempts to remain inside the EU, no
:02:36. > :02:41.attempts to rejoin it through the backdoor, and no second referendum.
:02:42. > :02:45.The eyes of the nation are on this chamber as we consider this deal.
:02:46. > :02:48.For many years there has been a creeping sense in the country, not
:02:49. > :02:53.just this country, the politicians say one thing and do another. We
:02:54. > :02:59.voted to give the people the chance to determine how future in a
:03:00. > :03:03.referendum. Now we must deliver our side and deliver on the result. We
:03:04. > :03:09.are considering a simple question. Do we trust the people or not? For
:03:10. > :03:13.generations, my party has done so. Now that question goes to every
:03:14. > :03:17.member of this house. This bill provides a power for the Prime
:03:18. > :03:21.Minister to begin the process and on the decision made by the people of
:03:22. > :03:26.the UK on the 23rd of June last year. I commit it to the house,
:03:27. > :03:33.trust the people. Is Labour shadow was in a reflective mood. We lost
:03:34. > :03:39.the referendum. Yes, the result was close. Yes, there were lies and,
:03:40. > :03:48.none worse than the false promise of ?350 million a week for the NHS.
:03:49. > :03:54.Yes... Yes, technically, the referendum is not legally binding.
:03:55. > :03:57.But the result was not technical. It was deeply political. And
:03:58. > :04:01.politically, the notion that the referendum was merely a consultation
:04:02. > :04:09.exercise to inform Parliament holds no water. I hope the respectful
:04:10. > :04:15.approach I have tried to adopt two colleagues with the anxiety of the
:04:16. > :04:20.48% is reflected across the house. -- to. Hopefully we will see a good
:04:21. > :04:27.deal less of gloating for those who campaigned to leave than we have
:04:28. > :04:31.seen in the past. It is our duty to accept and respect the outcome of
:04:32. > :04:36.the referendum, but we remain a European country with a shared
:04:37. > :04:42.history, and shared values. And it is also our duty to fight for a new
:04:43. > :04:46.relationship with our EU partners that reflects our values, our
:04:47. > :04:50.commitment to internationalism, and our commitment to an open and
:04:51. > :04:57.tolerant society. Above all, it is our duty to ensure an outcome that
:04:58. > :05:02.is not just for the 52%, nor the 48%, but for the 100 per cent. That,
:05:03. > :05:05.we will do. A veteran Conservative pro- European said he would be
:05:06. > :05:14.voting for hanky SNP amendment attempting to stop the bill in its
:05:15. > :05:22.tracks. -- an. He received criticism. I don't say there is
:05:23. > :05:25.criticism. I am actually on good terms with the hardline Eurosceptics
:05:26. > :05:34.because I respect their sincerity and the passionate nature of their
:05:35. > :05:39.believes. Bit if I see the member for Stone voted in favour of Britain
:05:40. > :05:50.remaining in the EU, well, I retract what I say. A referendum... Hot
:05:51. > :06:02.tongs would not make him vote for membership of the EU. He turned to
:06:03. > :06:05.trade. Apparently, you follow the rabbit down the hole and you emerge
:06:06. > :06:08.in Wonderland, where suddenly, countries in the world are queueing
:06:09. > :06:11.up to give us trading advantages and access to their markets that
:06:12. > :06:18.previously we have never been able to achieve as part of the EU. Nice
:06:19. > :06:21.man like President Trump, President Erdogan, they are just impatient to
:06:22. > :06:29.abandon their normal protectionism and give us access... Don't let me
:06:30. > :06:35.be too cynical, I hope that is right. I do want the best outcome
:06:36. > :06:43.for the United Kingdom from this process. No doubt, somewhere there
:06:44. > :06:51.is a hatter holding a Tea Party with a doormouse. LAUGHING. We need
:06:52. > :06:55.success in this trade negotiation to recoup at least some of the losses
:06:56. > :07:02.which we are going to incur from leaving the single market. This is a
:07:03. > :07:11.big deal. You are not just divvying up an animus records... INAUDIBLE.
:07:12. > :07:20.This has an impact on each and every one of us. We will tackle
:07:21. > :07:24.inequality, I'm a change, refugee issues, and areas that do not get
:07:25. > :07:28.much of a hearing in Whitehall these days. -- climate. Our sovereignty
:07:29. > :07:32.and working together is a good thing. Passing this bill and turning
:07:33. > :07:39.your back on the amendment would turn its back on the progress we
:07:40. > :07:47.have made and disrespects the devolution settlement. Vote for our
:07:48. > :07:52.amendment all this is economic and constitutional sabotage. The British
:07:53. > :07:55.people gave the government the mandate to pull the United Kingdom
:07:56. > :08:01.out of the European Union. The British people no... They did not
:08:02. > :08:06.give this government the mandate to threaten to turn our country into
:08:07. > :08:12.some tawdry the regulation low tax cowboy economy. The British people
:08:13. > :08:16.did not vote to make themselves poorer by pulling ourselves of the
:08:17. > :08:20.greatest free trading single market the world has ever seen.
:08:21. > :08:23.Incidentally, that is one of the many reasons why the Lib Dems
:08:24. > :08:27.believe the British people should be given a sad at the end of the
:08:28. > :08:31.process as much as at the start. -- say. The British people did not give
:08:32. > :08:39.a mandate to the British government to indulge in this sycophantic farce
:08:40. > :08:43.in the past few days where the government having burned every
:08:44. > :08:47.bridge left in Europe rushes across the Atlantic to sidle next to a US
:08:48. > :08:52.president who they do not seem to be aware about whose nativism,
:08:53. > :08:57.isolationism, protectionism, is directly opposed to the long-term
:08:58. > :09:00.strategic interests of the United Kingdom. There are a number of
:09:01. > :09:04.excuses that have been made. We heard from the former leader of the
:09:05. > :09:09.Liberal Democrats that the people did not know what they were voting
:09:10. > :09:13.for. Well, first of all, there is no excuse for people in this house do
:09:14. > :09:18.not know what they are voting for. Because the Prime Minister has made
:09:19. > :09:26.it very clear in 6000 words what we are voting for. And during the
:09:27. > :09:31.referendum campaign, the people of the United Kingdom knew what they
:09:32. > :09:37.were voting for. In fact, those who wanted to remain tried to scare the
:09:38. > :09:42.devil out of them when it came to the vote! They told them all kinds
:09:43. > :09:49.of horrors were going to beset them. And within a couple of days we would
:09:50. > :09:57.be eating dried bread and have no water and lose all of our jobs. And
:09:58. > :10:02.still they voted to leave. Sam Wilson. We will have more from that
:10:03. > :10:05.debate a little later in the programme. Now two other news. The
:10:06. > :10:10.Home Secretary, Amber Rudd, has said the US travel ban creates a
:10:11. > :10:13.potential propaganda opportunity for so-called Islamic State. Appearing
:10:14. > :10:19.before the Home Affairs Committee, she also said officials were working
:10:20. > :10:24.to take down extremist on line postings. Donald Trump has signed an
:10:25. > :10:30.executive order suspending refugee settlement in blocking individuals
:10:31. > :10:38.from seven majority Muslim countries from entering the US. Do you agree
:10:39. > :10:42.with the Donald Trump ban? Yes. I support the stand the government has
:10:43. > :10:48.taken. Amber Rudd said that it is divisive and wrong. It was reported
:10:49. > :10:52.in the last few days that Isil supporters have been monitored on
:10:53. > :10:59.social media saying things like this is a blessing, the ban, because it
:11:00. > :11:08.helps increase recruitment. There are many people talking about the Al
:11:09. > :11:14.Qaeda leader who claimed the West would eventually turn against its
:11:15. > :11:20.Muslim civilians, using this to say that he was right. And also reports
:11:21. > :11:24.of former security offices and agents warning that this is going to
:11:25. > :11:31.make it harder to combat extremism. Are you worried about this? I mean,
:11:32. > :11:34.Isil and Daesh will use any possibility they can to create the
:11:35. > :11:40.environment they want to radicalise people to bring them over to their
:11:41. > :11:42.side. So, it is a propaganda opportunity for them potentially.
:11:43. > :11:46.What we will continue to do is monitor what is being said and
:11:47. > :11:51.continue to take down the sort of literature and postings that we see
:11:52. > :11:56.on the Internet that tried to encourage that sort of extremism.
:11:57. > :11:59.They may use this as an example. We will continue to monitor and take
:12:00. > :12:03.down those sites where we can. Another Labour MP turned to the
:12:04. > :12:08.decision to invite President Trump on a state visit. Why spend this
:12:09. > :12:16.money policing and individual with all the added costs that come with a
:12:17. > :12:21.state visit, and individual that has peddled hate, racism, misogyny,
:12:22. > :12:26.Islamophobia, when many people in this country would rather that money
:12:27. > :12:32.were deployed on actually, for example, policing our communities?
:12:33. > :12:35.Well, he is the head of state of the USA. We have an arrangement
:12:36. > :12:40.internationally where we look after each other is head of state is. If
:12:41. > :12:45.the Queen goes abroad we expect them to look after each other and spend
:12:46. > :12:49.enough money. She is universally popular but some countries do not
:12:50. > :12:57.take their views are big they still look after her and spend money on
:12:58. > :13:01.policing her. -- this is Tuesday in Parliament with me, Alyssa McCarthy.
:13:02. > :13:09.The chief inspector of prisons in England and Wales says many of his
:13:10. > :13:12.reports are falling on deaf ears. He told the justice committee that
:13:13. > :13:16.jails which did not fit his recommendations into practice often
:13:17. > :13:22.fail to improve or went into decline. Both of you are hugely
:13:23. > :13:26.experienced in the criminal justice system, with an enormous amount of
:13:27. > :13:30.knowledge as to how it works, so Mr Clarke, starting with you, in 60
:13:31. > :13:38.seconds tell me what's wrong with our prisons? Basically they are
:13:39. > :13:41.unsafe, full of drugs, the physical environment is appalling and there
:13:42. > :13:45.are too many people in our prisons suffering from mental health issues.
:13:46. > :13:50.In my judgement those five issues will create a major obstruction to
:13:51. > :13:54.the programme. Who is holding up this reform? You've identified the
:13:55. > :13:58.problems and you have talked about what needs to be improved. Where is
:13:59. > :14:04.the block in the system that prevents the changes that need to be
:14:05. > :14:10.made? In terms of those issues which I've mentioned they our issues which
:14:11. > :14:15.we frequently referred to in our reports and I have a frustration
:14:16. > :14:22.that far too often it feels as if our reports fall on deaf ears. Not
:14:23. > :14:25.in all prisons, but in some. Typically, the prisons which do not
:14:26. > :14:31.respond positively to our reports, where there is a hugely low uptake
:14:32. > :14:34.or implementation of our recommendations are those prisons
:14:35. > :14:40.which do not improve for which actually decline in the way in which
:14:41. > :14:43.they treat business and the outcomes that business encounter in those
:14:44. > :14:49.prisons. Over the past year there has been a decline in the number of
:14:50. > :14:53.our recommendations over role that have been implemented and most
:14:54. > :14:58.worryingly a decline in the area of the recommendations in the area of
:14:59. > :15:02.safety. In fact we are now in a position where more of our
:15:03. > :15:06.recommendations on the subject of safety are not being achieved and
:15:07. > :15:10.are being achieved. Let me ask a question about the opportunities for
:15:11. > :15:14.the of prisoners to be heard. Do you think those as efficient at the
:15:15. > :15:24.moment? Even if I were to believe just some of the stories I receive
:15:25. > :15:26.in my postbag, then in some places there are clearly blockages. I've
:15:27. > :15:34.seen this on several inspections, where a quite often I get mobbed or
:15:35. > :15:37.approached by significant numbers of prisoners and very often that
:15:38. > :15:44.complaint is about mundane, day-to-day issues, getting equipment
:15:45. > :15:50.and supplies, getting bedsheets, clothing and getting their canteen
:15:51. > :15:54.and so on and so forth. Lower-level staff, which has an enormous impact
:15:55. > :16:00.on how a prisoner feels about their day-to-day existence. The government
:16:01. > :16:02.has denied reports that it is planning to nationalise the
:16:03. > :16:07.franchise which includes southern railway, after months of strikes and
:16:08. > :16:12.disruption. The transport and is the told peers there were no plans to
:16:13. > :16:17.use drip Thameslink railway, also known as GTR, of its franchise. This
:16:18. > :16:20.followed reports that ministers were considering taking direct control,
:16:21. > :16:25.with an official preparing a number of options. My lords, there are no
:16:26. > :16:32.plans to strip the franchise. The speculation in the media is just
:16:33. > :16:36.that, speculation. We continue to monitor the performance of all
:16:37. > :16:44.franchises. Could the government say what benefits current Southern Rail
:16:45. > :16:49.passengers have gained from the current franchise agreement, in view
:16:50. > :16:52.of the extent of the widely recognised poor performance from
:16:53. > :17:01.that regulator over the past two years? We are acutely aware of the
:17:02. > :17:07.challenges which all people who are using that particular franchise are
:17:08. > :17:13.facing, but my noble lords tried to distinguish between the industrial
:17:14. > :17:18.dispute, which I have always said compound the problems the Network
:17:19. > :17:23.Rail faces and an extra ?300 million has been given to the Brighton
:17:24. > :17:29.mainline. In terms of the industrial dispute itself, it is
:17:30. > :17:32.contextualised. RMT are out on dispute on a new contract. Every
:17:33. > :17:38.single train supervisor has signed that contract. Every one. Not a
:17:39. > :17:42.single one is exempted. They are working on a new contract. There are
:17:43. > :17:47.no job losses on the new contract. There is no pay cut on those job
:17:48. > :17:51.losses and what's more they are guaranteed a job until 2021. Even I
:17:52. > :17:56.can't lay claim to that. Staying with trains, an 11th hour would bid
:17:57. > :18:00.to derail the high-speed rail project has failed in House of
:18:01. > :18:06.Lords. He opposed a backbench move to block legislation that paves the
:18:07. > :18:10.way for the scheme by 386 votes to 26. The long-awaited HS2 project is
:18:11. > :18:15.now set to go ahead after more than three years of parliamentary
:18:16. > :18:18.scrutiny. A bill aimed at increasing the number of prosecutions after
:18:19. > :18:23.so-called honour crimes has gained initial approval in the House of
:18:24. > :18:28.Commons. The bill put forward by the Conservative Ms racked Ghani would
:18:29. > :18:34.ban the phrase honour killings from all publications. She said police
:18:35. > :18:41.were often not wanting to deal with these problems due to racism and
:18:42. > :18:45.referred the woman abused throughout her marriage. She was terrorised,
:18:46. > :18:50.going to bed not knowing if she would be alive the next day. She was
:18:51. > :18:54.told that the honour of her family was at stake if she complained and
:18:55. > :19:00.that police would treat her as a number. She told me that she did not
:19:01. > :19:05.feel alive, but nor was she dead. When she did some of the courage she
:19:06. > :19:10.called Crimestoppers as well as police. She risked her life in
:19:11. > :19:17.reaching out. But after statements were taken she was returned home to
:19:18. > :19:22.her abusers because it was just a "cultural misunderstanding". Buy to
:19:23. > :19:26.bill was opposed by a fellow conservative. I believe that his
:19:27. > :19:33.ministry premise of this bill is wrong because not all victims are
:19:34. > :19:38.female and not all of offenders are male. -- discriminant tree. We
:19:39. > :19:42.should have gender neutral laws so they help all victims of crime, and
:19:43. > :19:50.punish all offenders whether they be men or women. We are looking at the
:19:51. > :19:57.screen. It says crime, aggregated murder and violence against women.
:19:58. > :20:00.It doesn't mention then! It is there on the screen for honourable members
:20:01. > :20:03.who can't read or hear what is actually happening. They clearly
:20:04. > :20:17.haven't read the bill that's been brought forward. But MPs allowed
:20:18. > :20:22.Nusrat Ghani's bill to move forward, although it will not become law.
:20:23. > :20:25.Let's return to the Brexit debate, with national conditions from all
:20:26. > :20:29.sides of the house. Many working to be heard, at the Speaker had to make
:20:30. > :20:35.this plea for forbearance. Can I appeal to members, please not to
:20:36. > :20:42.keep coming up to the chair and asking where they are on the list.
:20:43. > :20:46.Not doing so explicitly and not doing so by the backdoor, by asking
:20:47. > :20:52.whether it is all right if they go to the Louvre, may I have a of tea?
:20:53. > :20:55.Can I eat a biscuit? -- the loo. I will do my best to accommodate
:20:56. > :20:59.everybody in the time available, but I appeal to colleagues to show a
:21:00. > :21:02.little bit of patience and some regard for the chair trying to
:21:03. > :21:07.concentrate on the debate. I will get you in if I possibly can. For
:21:08. > :21:15.me, this referendum was a massive peaceful revolution by consent of
:21:16. > :21:20.historic proportions. This bill at last endorses that revolution. From
:21:21. > :21:29.the 17th century, right the way through our history, through the
:21:30. > :21:34.parliamentary format which gave the vote to the working class, the
:21:35. > :21:39.suffragettes who got the vote in 1928, and then of course in the
:21:40. > :21:43.period of appeasement, these have all been great benchmarks of British
:21:44. > :21:49.history and they have all ultimately been determined by the decisions
:21:50. > :21:56.that have been taken in this house, and if I may be permitted to say so,
:21:57. > :22:02.by backbenchers. The referendum decided only one thing. That that we
:22:03. > :22:07.are leaving institutions of the EU. It did not determine the terms on
:22:08. > :22:10.which we leave, it did not decide the new relationship we will have
:22:11. > :22:16.with the other 27 member states. That is why we have as a nation to
:22:17. > :22:20.get our objectives and process right as we start this great negotiation.
:22:21. > :22:26.I have to say the government's handling of this thus far has not
:22:27. > :22:29.shown sufficient respect for Parliament, notwithstanding the
:22:30. > :22:38.number of times the Secretary of State has come to the spat box. How
:22:39. > :22:41.long have they said they would give us a running commentary. And if you
:22:42. > :22:47.ask for clarity you are not backing the UK team. That wasn't the right
:22:48. > :22:50.way to approach it. One Labour MP suggested the Iain Duncan Smith that
:22:51. > :22:54.there haven't been enough information published about this
:22:55. > :22:58.bill. Over the past 40 years if anybody in this house doesn't have
:22:59. > :23:01.enough information to make a decision about this I wonder where
:23:02. > :23:05.they've been in the last 40 years, all the years they spent here. Of
:23:06. > :23:09.course we have enough information. The question she is referring to is
:23:10. > :23:13.the publication of the white paper and the government is certain they
:23:14. > :23:18.will publish it. I stand by that, I think is a good idea, but I must say
:23:19. > :23:21.the PM made a good fist of it in her recent speech in which he set out 12
:23:22. > :23:24.point that would guide to negotiation. I do hope the
:23:25. > :23:28.government reprints that with a couple of diagrams, the odd
:23:29. > :23:32.explanation and the odd picture and I think that will make an excellent
:23:33. > :23:37.white paper. I ensure the Secretary of State who, like me, has a degree
:23:38. > :23:40.of experiencing complex international negotiations, is as
:23:41. > :23:46.conscious as I am that one of the first prerequisite is to listen to
:23:47. > :23:50.the words. It was not the president of the United States who said that
:23:51. > :23:55.Britain would be at the front of the queue. It was British politicians.
:23:56. > :24:02.What the president said was," you're doing great". I don't take as much
:24:03. > :24:06.comfort. The other area that I just want to raise it is the question of
:24:07. > :24:13.the game this idea that somehow if you voted to leave you were... If
:24:14. > :24:20.not a racist outrightly, an indirect racist. That has been so ridiculous
:24:21. > :24:25.and appalling that people, the 70 million people who voted to leave,
:24:26. > :24:29.have been treated in that way. -- 17 million. We know that what people
:24:30. > :24:34.voted for was not against immigrants but against the idea that 27 other
:24:35. > :24:38.countries, 26 excluding the Republic of Ireland, would come into our
:24:39. > :24:44.country without any... Any reason other than that they could come,
:24:45. > :24:49.whereas outside the European Union and we've betrayed the Commonwealth
:24:50. > :24:55.so badly back in 1973. You can't go back on your word because you don't
:24:56. > :24:58.agree with the result. But I want to say this: I believe history will not
:24:59. > :25:05.be kind to this Parliament, nor indeed the government I was so proud
:25:06. > :25:09.to serve. How on earth did we ever come to give an alternative to the
:25:10. > :25:17.people which we then said would make them worse off, less safe and would
:25:18. > :25:25.weaken our nation? I greatly fear echoing the wise words of some of
:25:26. > :25:29.the speech from my honourable friend a new member, that I greatly feared
:25:30. > :25:33.generations who either did not vote or who are yet to come will not
:25:34. > :25:39.thank us for a great folly. That's it from me for now. Do join me on
:25:40. > :25:43.Wednesday night at 11pm for the conclusion of that debate and the
:25:44. > :25:44.vote on the bill to begin our exit from the EU. For now, from me,
:25:45. > :26:10.goodbye. The weather is very ugly outside
:26:11. > :26:14.right now. We've had rain overnight and rain at times expected on
:26:15. > :26:15.Wednesday as well. There will be some