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:00:20. > :00:26.Hello and welcome to Tuesday in Parliament, our look at the best of

:00:27. > :00:29.the day in the Commons and the Lords, and on this programme, the

:00:30. > :00:33.government confirms it is abandoning its pledge to scrap free school

:00:34. > :00:38.lunches the better off children at infant schools in England. We have

:00:39. > :00:42.listened carefully to the proposals in the sector to remove infant

:00:43. > :00:47.school meals and we have decided it is right to retain the existing

:00:48. > :00:52.provision. Labour makes a plea for fair pay, for doctors and nurses. I

:00:53. > :00:56.want to talk about the spending plans of 2017 where he can find ?1

:00:57. > :01:01.billion for Northern Ireland but nothing the nurses in England. And

:01:02. > :01:06.the trials and tribulations of Southern trains. Mike and six wins

:01:07. > :01:12.have had to put up with so much, extended injury works, overcrowding

:01:13. > :01:19.and unsatisfactory compensation process -- my constituents have had

:01:20. > :01:22.to put up with so much. Theresa May had made a manifesto commitment to

:01:23. > :01:27.scrap free school lunches for better of children at infant schools in

:01:28. > :01:31.England, during the election campaign Conservatives said evidence

:01:32. > :01:35.showed every school breakfast was as effective at helping children learn

:01:36. > :01:39.is a hot meal at lunch, and could be delivered at a tenth of the cost.

:01:40. > :01:44.But the celebrity chef Jamie Oliver said the plan was misguided. In the

:01:45. > :01:47.Commons, the schools minister was called to answer questions on the

:01:48. > :01:52.future of education funding in England. We want to make sure that

:01:53. > :01:55.every school has the resources it needs which is why we have protected

:01:56. > :02:00.the schools budget in real terms since 2010. We have set out our

:02:01. > :02:06.intention to increase funding further in our manifesto as well as

:02:07. > :02:10.continuing to protect the pupil premium to support the most

:02:11. > :02:13.disadvantaged pupils. We know that how schools use their money is

:02:14. > :02:18.important in delivering the best outcomes for pupils and we will

:02:19. > :02:20.continue to provide support to help schools use their funding

:02:21. > :02:25.effectively and secondly we know that our funding is distributed

:02:26. > :02:27.across the country is an anachronistic and is not fair and

:02:28. > :02:35.the current system is in desperate need of urgent reform. The shadow

:02:36. > :02:39.Education Secretary focused on Northern Ireland first of all.

:02:40. > :02:45.Arlene Foster got ?1 billion, she must be the most expensive right

:02:46. > :02:50.wing it since Cristiano Ronaldo. Can he confirm that was an increase in

:02:51. > :02:54.school funding of ?150 per pupil in Northern Ireland? And is there any

:02:55. > :02:59.extra Treasury funding for education in the rest of the country or not?

:03:00. > :03:05.When he says no school will lose out, can you confirm this is in fact

:03:06. > :03:10.in cash terms and not in real terms? They promised an extra ?4 billion

:03:11. > :03:13.for schools in their manifesto, is that now government policy and how

:03:14. > :03:18.much of that is for each year? They were going to raise money by

:03:19. > :03:21.scrapping infant school meals, is that still policy? Will he sent

:03:22. > :03:28.refund any safety measures the school buildings? As well as looking

:03:29. > :03:31.at student halls. Just two years ago they were elected on a manifesto

:03:32. > :03:41.that promised no cuts to funding of any school of any pupil, will they

:03:42. > :03:44.finally make that promise? She asked about universal free meals and we

:03:45. > :03:48.have listened carefully to the views of the sector on the proposal to

:03:49. > :03:52.remove infant free school meals and we have decided that it is right to

:03:53. > :03:58.retain the existing provision. Universal infant free meals make

:03:59. > :04:03.sure that children have a nutritious meal June the day and it saves

:04:04. > :04:06.hard-working families money every year and it boosts educational

:04:07. > :04:10.achievement, especially amongst children from the most disadvantaged

:04:11. > :04:14.backgrounds. With key flagship policies being ditched including

:04:15. > :04:19.grammar school policy in order to appease backbenchers, these U-turns

:04:20. > :04:23.make an absolute mockery of the Prime Minister's strong and stable

:04:24. > :04:30.mantra. Of course we welcome the U-turn on the decision to scrap free

:04:31. > :04:38.school lunches but again we regret this was taken not with the pupils

:04:39. > :04:42.at heart, but rather to look after a fragile Queen's Speech from a

:04:43. > :04:45.weakened government. Can I have a direct answer, because it is

:04:46. > :04:49.incredibly frustrating from the back of the benches here. Will you answer

:04:50. > :04:56.whether schools in Hull will see a cut in per pupil funding? The

:04:57. > :05:00.solution is fairer funding. Do you agree that those who are for greater

:05:01. > :05:05.funding, those who argue for greater funding must be honest as to where

:05:06. > :05:11.it is coming from. For every five minutes this statement continues,

:05:12. > :05:14.national debt is increasing by ?400,000 so those who argue for more

:05:15. > :05:19.funding are arguing for more debt being loaded on the children in our

:05:20. > :05:22.schools. Could the minister stop playing games, schools can about the

:05:23. > :05:26.total amount of money they have for their schools to invest in their

:05:27. > :05:31.pupils and so will he level with the public and admit that he has not

:05:32. > :05:35.protected per pupil school funding? It is insulting to protect and

:05:36. > :05:39.otherwise, so what would he say to children in my constituency who are

:05:40. > :05:46.facing a 10% cut in their funding by 2021? The school funding formula is

:05:47. > :05:50.a total red herring in this debate, because before it has even come in

:05:51. > :05:54.schools and laying off staff, increasing class sizes, cut back on

:05:55. > :05:56.the curriculum and cut back on enrichment opportunities and

:05:57. > :06:00.headteachers are struggling to recruit and retain good staff, and

:06:01. > :06:03.instead of talking about a form letter that has yet to come in, when

:06:04. > :06:07.is the minister going to talk about what he's acted going to do about

:06:08. > :06:15.the cuts that have already taken place? -- formula. Education is the

:06:16. > :06:19.best economic policy there is that is why we are improving standards in

:06:20. > :06:23.our primary schools we have improved the curriculum in the way people are

:06:24. > :06:30.taught to read and we have improved mathematics and we have improved the

:06:31. > :06:32.GCSEs which are being taught in this country so children are leaving

:06:33. > :06:38.school with qualifications on a par with the best in the world. STUDIO:

:06:39. > :06:43.The Labour Shadow Health Secretary has called on the government to drop

:06:44. > :06:48.plans to cut corporation tax and give doctors and nurses a fair pay

:06:49. > :06:51.rise for them Jonathan Ashworth said the number of nurses had fallen for

:06:52. > :06:56.the first time in a decade and he called for fair pay now. I read that

:06:57. > :07:01.the Health Secretary now supports the Labour Party policy of scrapping

:07:02. > :07:09.the cut, although he did not float with us last week. -- vote. Will he

:07:10. > :07:14.tell them to scrap the cap and will he publish these instructions before

:07:15. > :07:17.the summer recess? I did not vote for his amendment because Labour

:07:18. > :07:20.said a lot about how they want to spend the money without having the

:07:21. > :07:26.faintest idea of where it was coming from. But I think he is ignoring an

:07:27. > :07:34.elephant in the room which is that if we have followed the spending

:07:35. > :07:39.fancy campaign for the NHS would have ?2 billion less this year, the

:07:40. > :07:45.equivalent of 85,000 fewer nurses -- spending plans campaign. I want to

:07:46. > :07:51.talk about the spending plans a 27 where he can find ?1 billion for

:07:52. > :07:58.Northern Ireland and nothing thought nurses in England -- spending plans

:07:59. > :08:01.of 2017. Maybe you should put the money from the Corporation tax cut

:08:02. > :08:06.into doctors and nurses and giving them a pay rise. Let me tell you

:08:07. > :08:12.what extra money is going into the NHS, three years ago ?1.8 billion

:08:13. > :08:16.not asked for by Labour, ?3.8 billion, two years ago, a billion

:08:17. > :08:20.more than Labour were promising and this year ?1.3 billion which is a

:08:21. > :08:25.lot of extra money and why is it going in? Because we have created

:08:26. > :08:30.nearly 3 million jobs, the strong economy that is funding and

:08:31. > :08:35.improving NHS Trust Labour MPs kept up the pressure on funding, and the

:08:36. > :08:44.number of doctors and nurses in the NHS. The truth is, EU nurses and

:08:45. > :08:50.doctors do not want to come here, our nurses of tomorrow are going to

:08:51. > :08:54.have two page to train. -- to pay to train. When is the Secretary of

:08:55. > :08:57.State going to understand that this staffing crisis hasn't materialised

:08:58. > :09:01.out of thin air, this is attributable to his actions and the

:09:02. > :09:06.actions of his government over the last seven years. She may have

:09:07. > :09:14.noticed a little thing called Brexit which happened last year. Which is

:09:15. > :09:19.actually... Which is actually because of understandable concern

:09:20. > :09:26.but actually if she looks at the facts, how many doctors came from

:09:27. > :09:35.the EU to the NHS in the year ending this March, post-Brexit, 2200, and

:09:36. > :09:40.how mean nurses, I have that information here, 4000 nurses joined

:09:41. > :09:49.the NHS from the EU in the year ending March -- how many nurses will

:09:50. > :09:53.stop the Secretary of State said this was to fund 10,000 extra

:09:54. > :09:56.student nurses places but the universities are saying their eggs

:09:57. > :09:59.are places have been commissioned, so when will we see an expansion of

:10:00. > :10:06.student nurse training? Extra places. I was welcomed the forensic

:10:07. > :10:11.interest she has shown in matters south of the border, but given that

:10:12. > :10:15.Scotland has just shown a fall in life expectancy for the first time

:10:16. > :10:21.in 40 years, she might want to think about her own constituents, and with

:10:22. > :10:25.respect to the number of nurses we have over 150 nurses in training and

:10:26. > :10:31.we are confident we will have a big increase in the supply of nurses to

:10:32. > :10:36.the NHS. Another Labour backbencher turned from nurses to doctors. I was

:10:37. > :10:40.in the House of Commons library last week, and it said the number GPs in

:10:41. > :10:47.the last 12 months is estimated to have fallen. And is expected to have

:10:48. > :10:54.fallen by March 2017, why is that? What we have had is a big increase

:10:55. > :10:58.in the number of medical students choosing to go into general

:10:59. > :11:02.practice, but we have also had an increase in the number of GPs

:11:03. > :11:06.retiring early and that is a problem we are urgently addressing. The

:11:07. > :11:10.government has been asked to rethink its cap on benefits following a

:11:11. > :11:17.judgment from the High Court that it was bringing real misery to no good

:11:18. > :11:22.purpose, the challenge was fought by four lone parent families with

:11:23. > :11:24.children under the age of two, work and pensions minister told the

:11:25. > :11:30.debate in Westminster Hall there would be an against the ruling and

:11:31. > :11:33.the SNP's minister who secured the debate said that was shocking and

:11:34. > :11:38.said there was no longer a majority for austerity in the Commons. Mr

:11:39. > :11:43.justice Collins was quite clear in his findings, whether or not the

:11:44. > :11:48.defendant looks at the evidence, it shows the cap is capable of real

:11:49. > :11:51.damage such as the claimants, they are not work-shy, but they find it

:11:52. > :11:56.impossible to comply with the work requirement. Most parents with

:11:57. > :12:00.children under the age of two are not the people that work is intended

:12:01. > :12:05.to be covered by the cap -- that were. There are consequential costs,

:12:06. > :12:10.the cost of bad debt to councils and housing providers when the bank

:12:11. > :12:14.costs can't be cost by the household that has been capped -- the bench

:12:15. > :12:17.costs. The cost of court proceedings to go through that process, to

:12:18. > :12:20.reinstate the property after eviction, and to bring it back to

:12:21. > :12:24.the market, the cost of temporary housing for that family once they

:12:25. > :12:29.have been evicted and have presented themselves in need of housing. The

:12:30. > :12:34.local government housing association says the cost of temperate housing

:12:35. > :12:37.is sitting at ?2 million per day. The government, as she knows, is

:12:38. > :12:42.committed to building a country that does work for everybody, and this

:12:43. > :12:48.means taking action to help and encourage people into work in order

:12:49. > :12:53.to move away from a life of welfare dependency and restore fairness. The

:12:54. > :12:59.cap levels continue to provide a clear incentive to work. Households

:13:00. > :13:02.are only required to work part-time hours to be exemption, households

:13:03. > :13:07.who claim working tax credits by working 16 hours a week for lone

:13:08. > :13:12.parents or earning ?520 a month on Universal Credit are exempt from the

:13:13. > :13:16.cap. However, we acknowledge of course that there are for some

:13:17. > :13:19.people the move into work just is not appropriate, which is why there

:13:20. > :13:24.is a range of exemptions for vulnerable groups, including

:13:25. > :13:29.households with most of disability benefits, Carer's Allowance, the

:13:30. > :13:32.equivalent Universal Credit care is evidence, and the Guardian 's

:13:33. > :13:37.allowance. This government has done very little to tackle pay

:13:38. > :13:40.inequality, a living wage is being brought forward that does not seek

:13:41. > :13:56.to support under 25s. I'm afraid he is wrong, 1.3 million

:13:57. > :14:01.people on the lowest incomes will have been taken out of income tax

:14:02. > :14:06.altogether since 2015, April 2017 we increased the national living wage

:14:07. > :14:11.to ?7.50, that will benefit 12 million workers directly this year,

:14:12. > :14:16.we will see full-time workers on that rate increase in pay ?500. You

:14:17. > :14:20.are watching a round-up of the day in the Commons and the Lords, still

:14:21. > :14:25.to come, more maiden speeches from the newest members of the Commons.

:14:26. > :14:28.Seven people made speeches immediately before me, they were

:14:29. > :14:34.funny, they were erudite, they were clever, they were interesting, and

:14:35. > :14:37.then, they think, what the hell did we wait for! LAUGHTER

:14:38. > :14:46.41 years for this nonsense! LAUGHTER Are we all clear about Brexit? The

:14:47. > :14:52.minister in the House of Lords has faced claims that the government's

:14:53. > :14:55.Brexit strategy is confused, the accusation coming from a Lib Dem

:14:56. > :15:01.peer, a former member of the European Parliament. The government

:15:02. > :15:05.has reportedly dropped its cake and eat it approach to X in negotiations

:15:06. > :15:10.but freelancing by individual ministers is creating an even more

:15:11. > :15:14.dizzying pick and mix confusion. Fisheries, financial services and

:15:15. > :15:20.big Pharma are sections getting this treatment as well as cars. --

:15:21. > :15:23.pharma. What, if any, coherent partnership framework, mentioned in

:15:24. > :15:28.the Queen speech and the manifesto, is all of this fitting into? Is the

:15:29. > :15:31.Prime Minister actually in charge? Yes, she is, that is why she has

:15:32. > :15:37.formed a series of cabinet subcommittee is, to make sure that

:15:38. > :15:41.they consider the full range of issues. As the noble lady has

:15:42. > :15:48.pointed out, some of the crucial issues this country needs to

:15:49. > :15:51.address. In order to put one misused phrase to flight, would she agree

:15:52. > :15:59.that it is perfectly possible to have your cake and eat it? But you

:16:00. > :16:02.cannot eat your cake and have it. Partnership has been talked about,

:16:03. > :16:07.does the noble lady agree with her colleague, Steve Baker, that the US

:16:08. > :16:15.is an obstacle to world peace, incompatible with a free society, is

:16:16. > :16:19.that what her department thinks? I'm thoroughly enjoying working with my

:16:20. > :16:23.colleague, Steve Baker, he brings a different perspective on many

:16:24. > :16:27.matters(!) LAUGHTER I have to say that all of them have

:16:28. > :16:30.been constructive as a minister. It is a real pleasure to work in a

:16:31. > :16:35.department where everyone is focused on one thing and one thing only, and

:16:36. > :16:40.that is getting the best agreement for the UK and the European Union,

:16:41. > :16:44.that is the one that will work. The latest exchanges over Brexit. It has

:16:45. > :16:48.not been the finest 12 months for Southern trains, the troubled rail

:16:49. > :16:52.company that provides services for commuters into London in the

:16:53. > :16:57.counties of Surrey, Sussex and Kent. Services have Southern Trains been

:16:58. > :17:01.hit by ever write your problems and passengers have been angered by the

:17:02. > :17:06.many disruptions. The Transport Secretary has criticised rail unions

:17:07. > :17:08.in Parliament for continuing with industrial action. Chris Grayling

:17:09. > :17:13.was responding to the report into the company problems. His findings

:17:14. > :17:17.make their that industrial action is the main cause of disruption for

:17:18. > :17:20.Southern passengers, or was last year when things were at their

:17:21. > :17:28.worst. As Southern passengers know full well, things have got better

:17:29. > :17:32.since industrial action ceased. Forms has been better since the New

:17:33. > :17:37.Year, that is why, it is tragic that the unions leaderships now want to

:17:38. > :17:42.carry on a battle which is meaningless and unnecessary. The

:17:43. > :17:46.performance of this railway is only going to carry on improving if

:17:47. > :17:50.industrial action by those unions stops, they seem unwilling to come

:17:51. > :17:53.to the party, Aslef, the drivers union, started the overtime ban

:17:54. > :17:58.again last week, resulting in Southern Trains passengers having

:17:59. > :18:01.25% of trains cancelled each day. Is he aware of the unions working

:18:02. > :18:09.together, being encouraged by the Labour Party, or does he see this as

:18:10. > :18:13.a straight interunion rivalry? Well, let me first of all stress again, I

:18:14. > :18:17.know just how difficult this has been for his constituents and

:18:18. > :18:20.others, their lives have been disrupted, their lives have been

:18:21. > :18:24.turned upside down, in a whole variety of different ways, and it is

:18:25. > :18:28.certainly the case in the early days that it looked like they were

:18:29. > :18:31.working together, I do not think relations are quite as warm as they

:18:32. > :18:36.once were but I am very clear now, I think there is a direct link between

:18:37. > :18:39.the actions of the Labour Party leadership in trying to cause

:18:40. > :18:44.disruption for the government this summer and the decisions to repress

:18:45. > :18:49.industrial action. It is absolutely unacceptable that senior figures in

:18:50. > :18:55.the Labour Party are reportedly in encouraging trade unions to take

:18:56. > :18:58.action, the public will suffer. Page 93 of the report shows a graph that

:18:59. > :19:02.demonstrates that long before the industrial action, Southern Trains

:19:03. > :19:05.was the worst performing company, a very long time before there was any

:19:06. > :19:10.trade union action, would you acknowledge that? Would you explain

:19:11. > :19:14.why he himself has not got round the table with the unions, with GTR,

:19:15. > :19:16.this is a nightmare for our constituents but the government

:19:17. > :19:24.cannot pretend it has nothing to do with them given that once again,

:19:25. > :19:26.Gibb says this Secretary of State is already determining the strategic

:19:27. > :19:30.direction of the dispute. At a time when there is increased risks of

:19:31. > :19:36.terrorist attacks and a spike in hate crimes, it seems foolish in the

:19:37. > :19:39.extreme to prioritise removing trained staff from services! The

:19:40. > :19:42.Secretary of State will be well aware of the numerous stories of

:19:43. > :19:47.disabled passengers being left stranded due to the staffing changes

:19:48. > :19:56.he is forcing through. Including that of a 56-year-old, Sandra Nighy,

:19:57. > :19:58.left stranded in the freezing cold for two hours waiting for a Southern

:19:59. > :20:02.service near Eastbourne, visit there was no one to help her onto the

:20:03. > :20:08.train, the whole situation was horrible, and embarrassing. It is

:20:09. > :20:15.unforgivable when I had booked assistance 48 hours in advance. We

:20:16. > :20:20.know of a situation where according to figures given to us by the union

:20:21. > :20:25.this morning, 97, over 97% of the trains that Southern Trains operate

:20:26. > :20:29.still have a safety trained second member of staff on board. There have

:20:30. > :20:34.been no pay cuts, there have been no job losses, 97% of the trains are

:20:35. > :20:40.still running a second person on board, fewer than 3% of those trains

:20:41. > :20:44.are not, and yet the honourable member for the opposition implied

:20:45. > :20:49.there had been the staffing, far from the staffing, there has been a

:20:50. > :20:55.24% pay offer of an increase to Aslef drivers. -- destaffing. My

:20:56. > :20:59.constituents have put up with delays, short form trains, extended

:21:00. > :21:03.engineering works, overcrowding, unsatisfactory compensation

:21:04. > :21:08.processes, nonsensical bus replacement, poor communication and

:21:09. > :21:13.potential ticket office closures. The handling of the dispute does not

:21:14. > :21:16.cover them in glory and unfortunately, it is called the

:21:17. > :21:20.misery line in my constituency. Debate over Southern Trains. It

:21:21. > :21:24.continues to be getting to know you time at Westminster, new MPs have

:21:25. > :21:29.been making their maiden speeches in the House of Commons, varied in

:21:30. > :21:35.style and varied in content. Here are a few of the very latest

:21:36. > :21:40.maidens. It is also an honour to be here at all, just a few short weeks

:21:41. > :21:44.before I stood for election, if you consider, at the by-election in

:21:45. > :21:50.Clacton in 2014, I was on tour with Jason Donovan in a production of

:21:51. > :21:55.Priscilla, Queen of the Desert! And I played on many stages, across the

:21:56. > :22:01.world, in 45 Years, but this has to be the finest. Thank you, residents

:22:02. > :22:08.of Clacton, I will do my very best for you. There are many proud

:22:09. > :22:12.British institutions that I shall choose to, this Parliament and the

:22:13. > :22:16.National Health Service, and dare I say it, if there was a referendum as

:22:17. > :22:24.to which one should be closed... What would the outcome be? I suspect

:22:25. > :22:31.this chamber would be empty. May I thank the National Health Service

:22:32. > :22:36.and his -- the doctor's team at the hospital in Glasgow for the

:22:37. > :22:41.successful double bypass surgery that I successfully underwent in

:22:42. > :22:45.2014. Many of my constituents, in places such as Windmill hill and

:22:46. > :22:51.Palace Fields in Runcorn face real poverty in their daily lives, from

:22:52. > :22:59.childhood onwards. Despite what the benches opposite claim, there is a

:23:00. > :23:02.real lack of work, too much insecure unemployment, a growth in zero hours

:23:03. > :23:09.contracts, and a welfare system that lacks compassion and common sense. I

:23:10. > :23:13.believe we need a better deal, Mr Speaker, for our island, it is not

:23:14. > :23:16.just a question of money, although every little helps, I will fight for

:23:17. > :23:21.extra spending on health and education. What it is about island

:23:22. > :23:24.is working with government to generate ideas for the public good

:23:25. > :23:28.and government working with us and being keen to listen, I know there

:23:29. > :23:32.is good examples of when it is doing it and I wish to encourage more.

:23:33. > :23:40.Thank you for calling me today, the good people of Walsall North, they

:23:41. > :23:45.have had to wait 41 years to hear a maiden speech from their member of

:23:46. > :23:48.Parliament. So you could only imagine how disappointed they will

:23:49. > :23:51.be... LAUGHTER When they will see that the seven

:23:52. > :23:57.people who made speeches immediately before me were funny, erudite,

:23:58. > :24:03.clever, interesting, and then... They think, what the hell did we

:24:04. > :24:08.wait 41 years for this nonsense for? LAUGHTER

:24:09. > :24:13.There you go! LAUGHTER Now, in preparing for my maiden

:24:14. > :24:17.speech, I sought advice from experienced orators on both sides of

:24:18. > :24:23.this chamber. But the best advice I think I received came from Brendan

:24:24. > :24:28.Fisher, one of our ever present, ever helpful Dorman. Brendan

:24:29. > :24:33.suggested, and because I have made a free-form parachute myself with my

:24:34. > :24:37.wife and my two children, Brendan suggested making a maiden speech was

:24:38. > :24:43.like doing a free-form parachute jump, the nervous anticipation, as

:24:44. > :24:45.you board the plane, an ascent to the required altitude, before

:24:46. > :24:49.leaping, screaming, through the doors, only to find that the

:24:50. > :24:55.sensation of racing towards the ground at 100 mph is actually a

:24:56. > :24:59.pleasurable one! LAUGHTER Something that you will want to

:25:00. > :25:03.repeat, as soon as sure feet hit the ground! LAUGHTER

:25:04. > :25:08.A sprinkling of maidens. With male MPs apparently no longer required to

:25:09. > :25:12.wear ties in the chamber of Commons, ties are coming understood and

:25:13. > :25:21.scrutiny like never before. -- coming under scrutiny. But one man

:25:22. > :25:25.was definitely doing his bit, DUP MP sporting a distinctive stars and

:25:26. > :25:30.stripes tie, to mark American Independence Day, the 4th of July.

:25:31. > :25:36.Maybe there will be a competition on most memorable time in the Commons!

:25:37. > :25:40.But will it end in a... -- maybe there will be a competition on most

:25:41. > :25:49.memorable tie in the Commons, but would it end in a... Tie...? That is

:25:50. > :25:51.all from me this evening. Thank you for joining us.